Finding Your Endurance with Courtney Dauwalter | Claim Your Confidence with Lydia Fenet

[Music] welcome to Lydia fet's claim your confidence a podcast that will introduce you to the most powerful women in the world as they talk about their own confidence Journey no matter what obstacles you face claim your confidence will inspire you motivate you and give you a road map to live the life you want so are you ready to claim your confidence hi everyone I'm Lydia fette and this is claim your confidence welcome to the podcast I am so excited to be coming to you from new studios in Rockefeller Center for anyone who has ever been scared to get out of their comfort zone I have a woman whose story will not only inspire you to try but to do it in a bigger way than you could ever imagine so sitting right in front of me and by that I mean on a computer screen from Colorado is Courtney dwalter who is one of the world's leading Ultra Runners and if you don't know exactly what that is we are going to dive into this over the course of the next 40 minutes but to sum it up it means running a lot further than most anyone you've ever met would ever run the amazing thing about Courtney is not only does she have more accolades than you could even read off of a page she's been featured in every Running magazine imaginable but she continues to crush course record after course record and does it with an imp positive attitude and a smile that is so infectious so first and foremost welcome Courtney thank you so much for being here thank you I wish I was sitting in your little studio with you it looks super cool yeah I know next time next time you come we'll definitely have you So Courtney I want to dive in because I think even for the larger audience I would love for you just to explain what ultr running is so let's start there yeah we yeah it's a great place to start um so an ultramarathon is any distance that's greater than a traditional marathon of 26.2 miles typical ultramarathon distances are um a 50k so 31 miles 50 mil 100K 100 miles and now there's races that are 200 or 250 miles long but you're just running so you're covering those distances with your feet and um carrying a lot of gear with you a lot of food a lot of drinks um and like problem solving in a lot of different ways as you cover those miles so many things going on at once I know it's funny when you think about running you think about a pair of running shoes and one of the most interesting things to me as I was learning more about the sport was really the amount of things that you have to bring with you so let's start at the beginning of your life Corney you grew up where I grew up in Minnesota um I have brothers yeah and I was in this really active family so we were always playing sport Sports uh and running really quickly became a thing that I just loved I loved the way it made me feel I loved how I could push myself I loved it as a social activity um so I latched on to running really early on and was this something that you did with your parents and your brothers or was this kind of a solo sport for you I played on a lot of sports teams with my brothers and so we would you know run for training for those um and my parents were always active in getting out for their own runs um but for me it was more Associated I think with like the teams I was on and so I was doing a lot of running with my teammates all the time and I'm sure your brothers were helpful in pushing you as well I have two brothers so and a sister who you know so I definitely know that competitive sort of multi-child family is always a helpful thing when it comes to Athletics yeah I feel really lucky to have grown up with you know a couple brothers who never you know let me win anything just because they felt bad for me I always had to work for work for the wins and so how did you start running on your own and when did when did the love of distance come because I've been running my whole life and I know that there was always a certain mileage in my head that I felt like I could never get past you know I was a five mile a week Runner pretty much my entire 20s and 30s and I mean five miles a day sorry I should that would seem like not a lot of miles if you put that over the course of a week but it always seemed like this number that was stuck in my head and you know even five and a half seemed like a lot for a long time so when did you start running those smaller mileage runs and then how did you gradually get to a place where you were running such long distances oh man it's been a real gradual build like through middle school and high school training for track or cross country running with my teams and with our coaches um I think our our long runs on weekends would be um you know eight miles for a while and then we graduated to 10 miles and 10 miles would knock me out for the whole day afterwards like that felt like such a huge accomplishment and like it was so far with my feet that I couldn't imagine farther but then you know a few years down the line decided to try a few more miles onto that um and I guess after college I just got really curious about Road marathons it seemed like everyone you know was signing up for a road Marathon so maybe I should try to and so I signed up for a road marathon and um I honestly that morning texted goodbye to my family and friends because I thought 20 I thought 26.2 miles would kill me I was like this is the end of it like my legs are going to shatter I am going to die as a blob out on this course um but but I have to try I have to see what it's all about so when I didn't die it triggered this whole thing inside of me of like wow I thought that would kill me I tried it and it didn't so what's another thing I could try that just sounds too hard and um that's basically been the driver that led me to ultr running it's an incredible way to look at things because I think for so many people that even getting to the start line when you have that moment is the hardest part of it right it's not even the actual race or even a small race or a small run it's really just getting yourself to a place where you're willing to walk to a place where frankly it may not work out and it may not be your best day and yet still doing it even still yeah exactly not not caring about the result but uh putting yourself in it anyways were you a daredevil as a child maybe like I didn't I wasn't always in like an arm cast or anything I wasn't that kind of Daredevil um my parents were always like yeah try try anything that you want what are what are you passionate about let's give it a try but if you try it then you've got to give it everything of yourself you know we weren't we couldn't halfway through things we had to if we were going to sign up for something or do a school project or work on a friendship it was 100% in on that thing until you know we either finished it and you know got through it or um failed at it and that was okay too as long as we tried as long as you tried yeah and I think that that's such a huge part of it I mean even as a parent I feel like that's a hard thing to do watch your children fail but it is so important because you do realize as you said earlier you can come back from it and in many cases come back stronger so you started in high school you started running sort of track and then you ran through college um I was on the cross country ski team in college which um spends a lot of the offseason still running anyways but I was racing on skis yeah got it and then you became a teacher you eventually got your master's degree and became a teacher and what was that like splitting the time at that point had you realize that you wanted to be a competitive Ultra Runner or was this just something you were doing on the H the weekends and having fun yeah I I didn't really know that um full-time ultra running could be a thing and so to me as I stumbled into the ultra running world and you know kept trying these new distances and falling in love with the community and the challenge of it all um it was just a like I ran before work because I loved it and I ran after work if I had time and I ran on the weekends and it was just a fitted in where I could sort of activity and so then probably a little bit like that first marathon you you ran when did the when did the desire come for that first ultramarathon how did you find it where was it were you married at this point what was that Dynamic like I mean I have so so many questions about that first run for you that first big run where you thought this might be something I could do yeah I completed this road Marathon didn't die and then kind of found out about ultr running by um seeing a race advertise at just a local park near where I lived at the time it was a 50k I was living in Texas okay so that's nice and hot yeah and this 50k um was in this park that I always ran in anyways and so I was like 50k that's 31 miles you know I just did 26.2 I have to try this extra you know chunk of miles and see if that's the thing that you know is my limit find out if that's impossible um so I signed up for that I I couldn't believe the vibe of the trail running world it was like so chill out on the trails that day like everyone's just chatting and talking and like you roll up to an aid station and it's just a buffet line of every snack you can think of really so I'm yeah it's like sweet salty you know crunchy fruit anything so I'm like running Along on these um dirt trails through the woods like filling in my pockets with jelly beans just chat yeah chatting to Runners the whole time I'm like well this sport is pretty cool um and then I after that I finished it didn't die and decided you know I well I have to see what else there is like what's the next distance I can try and there was a 50 mile race and so I signed up for this 50 m race kind of expecting the same you know we'll just be chill and eat snacks and run run all day that sounds fun um and it ended up being just horrendous weather like sideways hail you know windy sleep it was terrible in Texas as well or was this this was in Colorado oh so you're running through mountains now yeah and everything about that day pointed to like we should all be hating life right now like what are we doing out here but the people around me were just hooping and hollering you know making the best of this situation and finding those little bits of like positivity I guess that were just fueling all of us to keep moving forward and that's when I was like I mean this is so cool like people who can find those glimmers of light in a really crummy situation that's a special group of people to be around and we're getting to do this thing we love all day long like great combination so incredible and I I guess in many ways it probably attracts a certain type of person to the sport so that makes sense that if you're running and it's sheeting down with rain you can't have someone who's already sort of hating life anyway I mean you really are having to dig deep and that comes to my next question which is really about the mental fortitude it takes to run those distances time and time again what do you do in preparation for a race and this is we're only at 50 miles but what are you doing before that how are you training what is the the thought process both ment mentally and physically for you at that point yeah early on I understood it as a physical activity so I wasn't um necessarily like training the mental side I thought of running as uh you know my feet and my legs and my lungs and building strength and endurance and that was it really um so at that point point it was just like you know fitting In Those runs wherever I could getting in longer runs if I had time but mostly just stacking tiny blocks on each other in hopes that eventually those tiny blocks add up to a substantial Tower and surprisingly they do you know you don't have to do a ton of work every day to add a tiny Lego onto your Tower and over time that tiny to or that tiny Lego on top of another makes this huge Tower when you look back and when you're running if you have those moments where you're not you can't find that glimmer of hope you know that day where it's just dark and your legs feel like lead from the first smile and you just don't really feel like you're going to go on what do you do then um yeah one of two things I either accept the day as it is and sit on the couch with some ice cream cream or sounds great or sometimes the hardest part about going for a run is putting on your shoes and just opening the door and so I will you know put in the extra energy to do that step open the door and I'll find that then um the steps start to come a little bit easier but just putting on your shoes can sometimes be the hardest thing again going back to what we talked about at the beginning of that starting line right just even getting yourself there whether it be for a race or even like anything just showing up in life sometimes is the hardest part yeah so did you ever have a race where you just you got out there you knew it wasn't going well and you everything in you wanted it to work and it didn't and you kind of had to admit defeat or have you ever had a moment that I sort of would say would be the confidence Buster that you thought you would never come back from and if so how did you you come back from that I have had many of those moments that's good to know I'm glad to hear that I'm sure everyone listening will also be glad to hear that absolutely I I mean so I finished that 50 mile race and then um did I decided the next distance I should try is 100 miles so I signed up for this 100 mile race in the mountains of Colorado and um during that race my legs started to hurt my feet started to hurt my body just felt like gravity was too heavy on it even it was like how will I keep moving and um I ended up getting into this like really negative whirlpool in my head of just like negative selft talk and doubt so I was you know what are you doing here who do you think you are to sign up for a 100 miles like you're not a person who can run this far and over the course of about 10 miles of telling myself that I um ended up dropping out of the race and quitting it and yeah I convinced myself I couldn't make it so why even keep going if I'm not going to get to the Finish Line anyways and uh afterwards I mean for you know some moments it was for sure like okay well I explored ultr running you know like maybe I'm I'll just keep signing up for 50 mile races because I finished that and this is clearly like I'm not set out for this distance yeah um so that was like kind of how you reference like a confidence shatter or whatever Buster yeah Buster Buster yeah I think though then um it it switched gears really quickly after having some of those moments where I was like wait a minute like I I have to try again like there's no way that I can't just try and see again there's got to be some other Solutions I could come up with there's got to be you know maybe some better training or gear I could look into to help me like it was um back to the drawing board and deciding like I am going to be a person who can finish 100 miles and now I just have to find the puzzle pieces that help me do that and is this at the point when do you decide then that you're going to take this on full fulltime it wasn't at the 50 MERS this is you've run your 100 it doesn't go well but when do you decide to make a go of this and leave teaching full-time yeah not until about five years after that okay so then you're just you run your first 100 mile when after that race it doesn't go well you're sort of you've had your moment you've stepped back you've reassessed you come back to the starting line where where is the where is the sort of Rocky scene for us set this up for us Courtney yeah exactly you're running up the steps I can see it now yeah um so I picked a different 100 mile race of the following year that I spent the whole year um just trying to understand ultr running a little bit more try to train a little bit more try to like you know figure out all of the all of the pieces that held me back the first time and then that second attempt at it I did in Minnesota which was pretty special like circling back to my you know yeah um and my dad and brother and uh my husband were there helping crew and Pace me so it felt very like a coming home and that I had this whole team to support me in this Mission and standing on that start line I knew like okay last time I made it to 60 miles and then convinced myself to quit this time I'm making it to a 100 miles and when it feels like I need to quit that's when I'm going to be strong in my brain like I knew the physical part would still be really hard running is hard like it's hard no matter what distance you're going but I knew at that starting line like my brain is going to have to be the tough one here to help me get to the finish line and that was actually like pretty pivotal in helping me understand the connection our brains have with our bodies and like what we tell ourselves matters you know that negative selft talk does nothing for us and if we can you know flip the script to be positive it can help in so many situations and I know that you talk so much about the the sort of positive mindset I also love how much you talk about your community even thinking about your family being there to crew even thinking about the supporters and I've run a couple of marathons one of them did not go well at all I would pretend pretend that it was like your 60 mile except of course it was half the half the distance that doesn't matter though it's the it's the same you know it's it's this the spirit of the marathon and the spirit of of a running Community is just so fun because there are people cheering you along but ultimately it comes down to you there is nothing else that anybody can say if you want to stop even if they're cheering for you your body's going to stop so that is such a remarkable story and I love the fact that you and I'm hoping that the end of this is that you finished it I just jumped in front of your story but um but I can tell by the smile on your face that you finished it and what did that feel like to come across the Finish Line I mean how many things had you put aside to get there at that point yeah it it felt incredible and to celebrate with people I loved and um have worked you know this a whole year for this one thing like I think anyone no matter what the thing is can relate to that like when you put a lot of time and energy into a goal and then you get it no matter how long it took to get there it felt really cool um but also like it I just felt really tired I wanted to sit down immediately um it had in that the 100 I finished the last 10 miles were a struggle like I was um just crying as I was running you know but in that physical pain I was experiencing I was just focused on the mental side and like telling myself that I was okay and that I was going to make it and putting that on repeat for the last 10 miles was the only way I made it you talk about a pain cave will you tell our listeners about that because I do think it's applicable to so many things in life I I love the pain cave I um so it's basically just an image I have in my head now of when I reach that point where it feels impossible to keep going forward then I go into this pain cave and um I put on a hard hat and I grab a chisel and I go to work in the very back corners of this pain cave to make it even bigger because then it gives me this image of like productivity you know during those difficult moments like this is what I came here for this is why I signed up for this silly long race and um by getting to this moment where I reach the entrance of my pain cave I get to actually do the work of making myself better for the next visit to it so like picturing that the cave gets bigger with each visit and um having that be you know the purpose of the physical discomfort um give gives it like a really I don't know the story just helps me in uh celebrating the difficult moments such an incredible way to look at it because I was reading about one of the races that you did that you ran the last 12 miles without being able to see um that your vision had gone blurry and you just kept going and it's really remarkable as a bystander but I think just as a human to understand how much more we can do than we physically think that we can do and I've seen it happen in friends i' I've experienced it myself we had an accident this past year and I can't tell you how many times I thought to myself and other people said to me who had had similar issues or worked in places where they were constantly being physically challenged how important that positive mental element is and I think that goes through the entire theme of confidence because frankly once you're confident in yourself it doesn't matter what happens around you because if you believe that you will be okay no matter what happens then ultimately you will be okay no matter what happens around you right yeah it I mean there's so many ways to discover these same ideas but for me ultr running has put it uh like front and center of how powerful our brains are and um our attitude and our mindset about situations and um My Hope always is to take you know these things from running and apply them to daily life um sometimes applying them to running feels a lot easier and like more concrete but it's a learning process that um I'm just excited to like have the basis of the knowledge and understanding to help you know in applying it to the rest of my life so at what point now you've you've done your 100 mile race you've done five years of this and you finally take the leap you know you decide to go with your side hustle of course your side hustle looks a lot different than most people's but you you take the leap so what is that convers ation look like or you and your husband I believe he also runs with you Paces you and Crews you which for people who don't run means essentially he runs with you to keep you on Pace and then it helps set up things for you along the way in advance of you coming to Aid stations am I correct yeah yeah basically like moral support safety support things like that so what was that conversation like was it something that you both knew was about to happen or was there a certain race where you said okay I need to go all in on this sorry students yeah no it was kind of like um I don't know I guess we both were like dang like we got to fill our days and life is short and like when we're 90 sitting in our rocking chairs we want to look back and feel like we explored you know everything along the way that we wish we had explored like we didn't want to wonder what if and so um this was basically a thing like I didn't it wasn't even like a side hustle yet I didn't have necessarily the results that said that I could make it a side Hustle but I was like What if I just go all in on this for a minute see what happens and um if I don't like it or it doesn't go well or you know the million reasons it could have ended in a I don't want to say failure but just like a um misstep then we just divert back to the original roadway but like let's take this side road for a minute and just see because why not and so did it feel any different at that first starting line when you've made that decision when all of a sudden this is kind of it this is your new role this is what you're doing what did that feel like kind of but I also when I decided to go all in just I was very intentional about not ruining running like running is something I want to do my entire life and I was nervous that um if I went all in on it and you know felt any different um pressure or um you know it felt different to be doing it fulltime that um it would take the fun out of it yeah and so I was very intentional that this was still you know the thing I loved and it remained the thing I love I just now had more time and energy to invest in it so that first starting line it felt strange but it also felt like the same thing like pinning on a bib you know getting to do this thing I love for an entire day like lucky are we yeah yeah and then how did that first race go uh let's see so I guess that would have been maybe the Moab 240 which is 240 miles long okay so I'm sorry let me just even back up from there 240 miles so you're standing at the the race and you're and your thinking to yourself in three and a half weeks when I finish this no but in all seriousness what what what do you do when you start a 240 mile race what does that look like TimeWise when do you sleep how do you eat I mean walk me through this this is so not a part of my every day and I'm sure anyone listening just has their jaw to the ground I know Joe who sits here with me definitely has his jaw to the ground tell us about a 240 mile race what is that I thought I thought I saw his coffee spit across the screen I think it might have actually um yeah I mean that's another distance that's possible and it's been really cool it's probably picked up steam in the last couple of years where there's just more races of that absurd distance available um but it's crazy but it's also like so cool and such a like I don't know you stand on the start line of it and for sure like I can't fathom 240 M away so it's basically living in just that moment like staying right where your feet are taking care of yourself and moving as best you can as much as you can and these in these races the clock keeps running whether you're sleeping or not so like some people in a 240 mile race will get to an aid station and sleep there for a few hours and then other people will try to not sleep at all and just keep on covering ground to get to the Finish Line as quickly as possible um so there's a lot of ways to go about it but definitely you're carrying more gear than in a shorter race um the distances between Aid stations would be like sometimes about 20 miles so it just be like you and you know like buzzards out in the desert and how hot is it I mean what's the temperature it was pretty hot that that year I think we were in the '90s um during that first day which is out in the desert on Moab but the race also because it's so long you cover a lot of distance gets into um some mountains over there so we were in like the 30s then overnight for parts of it so it was extreme temperature swings for sure and what was your strategy did you sleep at the Aid Station or did you Hunker and sleep for you know did you get 10 hours of sleep in the middle of the race yeah no my strategy for this was to not sleep and to try to keep on moving as much as possible um but the race took me over 2 days and in that second night I found myself getting really really sleepy so I did try a 20 minute lay down in um at an aid station my crew was there they had a sleeping bag I just laid down for those 20 minutes but I had a really hard time shutting down my systems and so I didn't really fall asleep during that time um but then later on the trail and this part is like still very crazy to me um I was falling asleep while I was running so I was just like I'm going to lay down I was my pacer was with me a a friend of mine running with me and I said time me for 1 minute I just I'm going to close my eyes for a minute and I laid down I conked out I was like instantly REM cycling and when he woke me up after 1 minute I could have sworn he let me sleep for 8 hours like I felt totally recharged rebooted like my brain was fresh my body was fresh it was the craziest thing I've ever experienced that is an incredible story and in this one minute power na one minute power naap you you honestly should bottle that and that should be your next side hustle when you bottle the one minute power nap for a 2-day Race So how long did It ultimately take you and how did you do uh it took me about 58 hours to run it yeah I made it big deal 58 58 hours yes you made it what did you eat when you got what was your celebratory meal after you finished uh beer and then this huge mountain of nachos um I think like Savory and cheesy sounded really good to me yeah I guess anything at that point would sound to yeah and did you just feel amazing did you feel such an S sense of accomplishment I mean using the strategy from the first starting line where it is just be present right you're doing what your feet can do at that moment and nothing more and then 58 hours later you've done it what is what do that moment feel like it took some days to process it was such a big thing and there were so many tiny moments along the way of that huge undertaking so I mean it was weeks of just like processing through you know sifting through these memories of sunrises or snacks or you know stories told with people around me stuff like that to like finally package it together into this like whoo that was like a huge adventure and um basically then I just wanted more Adventures I was like I need to sign up more stuff yeah is there a 400 mile race available so what was the next thing what came next and then take us through the trajectory from there on you've you've done the 240 you finished so all of a sudden people must be looking at you as if this is a completely new competitor who's come on the scene right I mean 240 miles is not for the faint of heart and you finished it so then what comes next and and where do you go from there um for me it's been like trying to nail down those really long distances now of like how my brain and body are connected and what strategies I can use in my brain to help my feet keep moving forward so it's been kind of just staying in that same area of distance but playing around with the puzzle pieces a little bit to um feel like it's a more fine tuned system than like just thrown darts in the dark and I listen listen to a podcast where someone said that you had recently done a race that was considered one of the most impressive Ultra marathons that they had ever seen and this was a guy speaking I think he'd also run the race do you remember which one this was quite recent um and he said it was just you were on an island somewhere and he'd just never seen anything like it and that you not only were one of the top finishers but you were of the top finishers men and women so it wasn't just that you were crushing the women's field but now you're in the top finishers in the men so tell us a little bit about that experience because the race sounded amazing super cool it's on an island called Reunion Island which um is down by Madagascar very far away from the United States and uh basically the island is kind of like jungly and mountainy through the middle and then beautiful beaches around the outside of it and this is a race that's 100 miles from one end of the island to the other through that mountainy re so it was so beautiful and also just so difficult and like um I don't know just kind of like beats you down and there were moments during that race where you know those the negativity still sometimes wants to creep in you know it's not like um fully perfectly blocking out the negative thoughts but when they do now I try to like flip the script as quickly as possible and so when those negative thoughts were coming in they were like uh would be rolling through a little town or something and thinking like I should just buy a house here and stay here the rest of my life because that means I could quit this race right now but you you kept going and when things are hard when it takes everything of you to get to that Finish Line whatever the Finish Line is it just feels like so so satisfying you know so um to reach that finish line was like man so good so good and what do you think you would say to someone who said to you you know I just never have any confidence when it comes to running or anything in life what what advice would you give to someone because obviously you have a lot of confidence in yourself but I think a lot of that has been learned through experiences that didn't go your way as well yeah yeah absolutely I I think um like we've been saying like just trying like line up for the thing or put on your shoes or start the thing open your laptop whatever it is you know like do that first thing and then um try to gain momentum from there and I think like I don't know mantras can help a lot so saying something in your head that's positive and helpful as opposed to dwelling on all of the reasons why this might not work like you know the Mantra could be very literal like be brave or like just try or something or it can just be neutral and leave no space for the negativity but um making sure that that isn't your blocker like your your own doubt of yourself being your blocker is um it's such a bummer yeah it's it's such a bummer and you see so many people fall into that trap and it keeps them from trying and frankly from even getting into a room or going on a Race So I want to wrap this up by telling you a quick story so I learned of Courtney through my younger sister Hillary who is a big Runner and she ran with Courtney this summer and was fundamentally Changed by the experience and she was supposed to be watching my kids on Marathon Sunday or the the Saturday before Marathon Sunday in New York City because I had an auction that night so she was going to come over my husband was traveling and she called me around noon the day before the marathon and said hey I don't know if I'm going to be able to sit cuz I think I'm going to be running the marathon tomorrow and I said to her wait what I said what do you mean you're going to run the marathon are you training for the marathon and she said no but you know I've been running and Courtney always says you should just go and try something even if it doesn't work out so I found a guy who has a bib and I'm going to go to the javet center and see if I can get a bib and run the marathon tomorrow and I've run the New York City marathon a couple of times and as I said the second time it did not go well so I have experience with a good marathon and a bad Marathon and I didn't say anything because of course now she's um told me about your Mantra and how this should all work but unfortunately she was not able to get the bib that night but it was such an inspiring thing to see her who really I don't think has been running more than you know 8 to 10 miles on a a long weekend just get down to the javet center to try to get a bib so she could run a marathon that she hasn't trained for and as I said earlier I've been I was in a car wreck and I've been a runner and I haven't been running because I had a spinal fusion and it just doesn't feel good and next day I went out for a long run using the same thing that she said so even if you don't know it you're inspiring people everywhere Courtney and I know that anyone who listened to this today will be so inspired by you so where can we find you what's up next I just saw a master class launching on Instagram that I will obviously sign up for as soon as we get off this podcast but tell us a little bit more about what's coming up for you and where we can find you for more incredible inspiration and running tips yeah you can find me on Instagram is probably the best place at Courtney duter um and I am excited to be you know putting together more racing seasons and just exploring what we can do if we go all in on something and use our brains to help us move well thank you so much for joining us today on claim your confidence and a huge thank you to everyone for tuning in today I hope you will follow along on Instagram Facebook or LinkedIn Lydia fette and also be posting about this episode upcoming guests and recording time so you can stop by new studios in Rockell Center and say hi and a special thanks to Joe at new Studios without whom nothing would happen he makes all the magic happen Tish Inspire and Rockefeller Center for this amazing podcast booth and claim your confidence until next week everyone I look forward to speaking with you and I hope you will all be thinking about Courtney's positive message and how you can apply that throughout the course of your days weeks and life thanks [Music] again

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