Ex-CIA Agent Reveals How to End Human Trafficking

the cia is not a bunch of shooters running around picking locks and climbing up the sides of buildings but it didn't have enough people who could operate in those types of environments so it started poaching from the military special ops community that's how i got involved what is the business model of human trafficking that's attracting so many people to want to go do it profits this is strictly a money play the misconception is that all human traffickers are men and that is not the case many human traffickers or women we had intelligence on a human trafficker that was moving children across a border and they were specifically using those children to test bombs yet we have an entire government bureaucracy that we spend billions of dollars fighting what is the illicit trade of legal commodities are these guys intimidated by that they're like dude you're not gonna catch me we know what we're doing we're smarter than you they're thinking they're gonna outsmart you every single time the reason that there are human trafficking victims is because there are human traffickers so we don't need to spend all of our time focusing on on rescuing victims we need to focus on preventing victims by getting rid of human traffickers my guest today may have one of the most interesting stories you've ever heard but i'm going to tell you why i'm saying this because we've had a lot of interesting people on valuetainment so number one he gets out of high school while he's in high school he doesn't want to attend high school because he likes surfing so he finds out how to hack into the high school's attendance system and shows that he showed up all year long but he went surfing from there he leads to going into the air force and becomes a para rescue which para rescue is comparable to navy seal then he goes into the cia cannot tell you how long it is because i don't know how long it is but it's several years he goes into the cia and then afterwards he decides to get out to go fight human trafficking and all along he gets a call from amazon and vice saying we want to do a story that's similar to your background because everybody tells us what we're about to write you're the closest thing to this person and that movie is jack ryan with that being said my guest today is nick mckinley nick how are you hey doing well doing well patrick thank you for having me yeah it's good to have you man i mean when i saw your story and i said uh i can't find a lot of things on this guy and then they said well that's the idea you know this the idea isn't to have a lot of stuff on the life that he lived you know sometimes you can't find a lot of stuff on them but uh going back to adults who didn't have the abilities and the intelligence that you had can you tell us a little bit how did you hack into the high school's attendance system i think that's very critical info for us adults here yeah so it was uh you and i are uh about the same age i believe you're you're about a year older than me and so right it's the 90s and uh the computer systems weren't quite what they what you would think they were there's still a lot of like fill in the bubble right put it in the machine uh well it turns out that you're the same pla you're you're the same bubble and the same sheet every single day so if you just make sure that that little sensor is covered up when those sheets get fed in it shows that you're there uh and with that with the help of uh help of a friend who worked in the worked in the front office and it was skiing not surfing actually so i grew up in montana i grew up in montana not not a lot of surfing in montana that makes sense yeah there's not the beach dirt they don't have a fascinating beach in montana i've not seen it at least no no lots of lots of rocks on some really cold lakes yes i have friends who live in montana and they swear by it okay they swear by how amazing montana is so it's okay i mean uh your story obviously it's you know a lot of different uh lives that you've lived and what you've done but so you get out of school you're going to para rescue you have a lot of experience there take me from pararescue to wanting to become a cia agent did they approach you did you approach them was there somebody that put an award for you how did that whole process take place so they actually called me uh when you're when you're paralyzed by the way is it common that they call you i think that's relatively common uh especially with the wars kicking off the way that they were you know contrary to what the the movies show the cia is not is not a bunch of shooters running around picking locks and climbing up the sides of buildings and don't get me wrong there are people who do that but the the kinetic side right so the parts of the the cia where you have to take a physical fitness evaluation and annual shooting evaluations you know that is a very very very small group of people within what is a large government agency and when the cia found itself at war on multiple continents within dozens of countries it didn't have enough people who could operate in those types of environments so it started poaching from the military special ops community and that's uh that's how i got involved was that pretty common like did you see other friends that also got recruited or no oh it's very common very common i was i was the first i was the first person with a pararescue background to become a staff officer okay but as far as um what i like to just call you know the guys on the team which is where i started that that was incredibly common most of my teams if not all of them were comprised of military special operators who who were now working working for the cia okay and and when you got recruited did you also say you may want to call johnny or bobby or larry because he may also be good or is it more or less you call them and recruit how does the recruiting process work so both i uh both directions right i mean you don't want to you don't want to set your buddy up for some phone call from some random number and him you know think it think it's a spam call and miss the miss a great opportunity so a number of my friends i i brought with me from the pararescue teams and and had them uh had them join me because they were they were great operators and great people to work with pararescue cia which job did you like more oh that is a tough question pararescue was a lot more sporty um uh when when things when things went wrong and you were getting called to work as a pararescueman uh it was it was sporty um a lot a lot more jumping out of planes and and whatnot but the the thing about the cia that i really liked was there was very little training time and that that can also be a bad thing but there was very little training time for the most part you were operational constantly we were so undermanned uh you're spending 10 plus months a year out of the country bouncing around the most hostile environments on the planet and uh there wasn't there wasn't time to go take three months to go take a three-month training cycle like you could in pararescue it was it was constantly on the road how do you how do you manage that and personal life at the same time i mean it's it's you know my buddy i talked to you about you who was also special ops on what he did you know he said you know he was on his third marriage-wise you know that that he went through he said it's very difficult to hold it together when you're doing what you do because you're on the road 10 months out of the year you don't know where you're going to be at how did you manage your personal life as a cia agent or para rescue uh so my first marriage uh ended in a ball of flames uh i mean it was yeah it wasn't good uh so so i could say that i actually didn't properly manage my my personal life professional life was on a rocket ship uh personal life was an absolute disaster and so when i joined the agency they told me uh you know they said you know are you sure you want to do this the unit you're going into has an 86 divorce rate and of course the mindset of of people like us is that oh well that's the other folks that's not going to be me yeah right everything i've done to this point in life i mean you know there was an eight percent chance i was gonna become a pararescueman did it one percent chance i was gonna uh get into the agency did it so oh 14 chance of making a marriage work i like those odds yeah that didn't work out well for me so uh so you don't and and then when i was i was dating my now wife um we we got married after i left the agency uh i went a six-month period where she saw me for about three days in six months like physically saw me for about three days and six months and and for the first majority of that i was actually under a cover so it wasn't until she came to me and said you know are you a drug dealer you know what's going on because this just doesn't make sense and i'd already been authorized by the agency to break cover and and tell her you know where you know where i was um or not necessarily where i was but what i was doing well i got to tell you i mean please don't take this as uh personally but you know i'm about to judge you a little bit if that's okay with you when i'm looking at you you look like one of four professions okay you either look like a drug dealer you look like a hitman you look like a cia agent or you look like ben affleck's character from the movie accountant like you look like you're somebody that you shouldn't mess with your eyes have a lot of fire in them like you're calculating and studying every move of the opponent you just look like that guy so i i don't know if that's an edge or not but you have a certain look about yourself that maybe was fitting for you to do what you did as a cia agent so funny uh that you say that because the first time i did an undercover operation i was going through a middle eastern country and i was flying civilian and they had one of their intelligence agents just sitting there watching people get off the plane and as soon as i got off the plane the guy stood up and walked up to me and said excuse me sir would you follow me and showed me a badge and and uh you know what are you doing and i you know fed in my story and he said that's great you have a 26 hour layover before your next uh before your next flight you can't leave the airport uh well luckily the airport had a had a starbucks which had about the only padded chair in the whole in the whole airport so i sat there uh while there were security guys just out there smoking cigarettes watching me uh and i didn't want to go to sleep that didn't seem like that could go that could go well for me so so yeah that that look doesn't really help you out all that much but it's also really difficult to get rid of you know what's crazy while we're talking about the guy that's the special ops guy he's calling me right now you know was the last time i talked to this guy a long time ago he's calling me right now how random is this that he's calling me right now anyways i'm not gonna pick up because it'll freak him out thinking like we're up to something with him so i don't want to spook him even more uh but uh so let's go through the process okay so you got pear rescue cia then human trafficking so so make the connection between cia to wanting to go like what event happened what did you see what bothered you what annoyed you what inspired you say this is what i want to do moving forward how did that take place it's not what i wanted to do moving forward it's what it was my duty to do this moving forward because this isn't the human trafficking issue is something that once you really understand it and you understand what's going on you can't not do something right as william wilberforce said you can't look away and so it was a sequence of events over a period of about a little over seven years but it really culminated i was in lashkar afghanistan uh working for various government bureaucracies and we had what i like to call smoking gun intelligence i was a staff officer working with a jsof jsoc counterpart joint special operations command counterpart and we had intelligence on a human trafficker that was moving children across a border and they were specifically using those children to test bombs we had video of this so this became very very uh emotionally charged issue for us children to test bombs yeah to test bombs what does that mean uh he was he was building pressure plates out of materials that you would find at a junkyard i don't want to say exactly what it was and how he was doing it but he was building pressure plates and he wanted to make sure that those pressure plates would would go off if a human stepped on him but they he didn't want a dog or a cat or somebody to you know detonate his bomb and so as he was testing these he was he was using he was using young boys uh and and would literally have them go walk around in a field where he had these pressure plates buried and once uh you know to to see to see if they worked and you personally witnessed this uh we we had video of it yes so we wrote up we wrote up the intel uh we had uh uh we had somebody who was telling us uh this stuff and and we wrote it all up and sent it up to sent it up the chain and there was nobody nobody really cared everybody thought oh this is very sad but but nobody really cared and that made me curious uh in a in a bad way almost right so when you have that level of security clearance right if you work cia you have the highest security clearance you can get uh tssci with a full scope poly uh and there's nothing that's off limits to you so i got on the computer system and started looking for that magic red door of competence that was fighting human trafficking and what i learned over a period of years of you know digging around classified systems and talking to everybody i knew and you know a bunch of special ops guys run this experiment yourself go ask them how many operations they've ever done that involved going after a human trafficker and what you'll find is that they'll tell you none there's a bomb maker who maybe was also selling kids on the side or a drug dealer who also was was moving people but but as far as going after somebody because they were enslaving humans i all i know were special ops guys and i couldn't find a single one who could tell me that they'd done an operation against a human trafficker and then fast forward a little bit though why not though it's not a presidential reporting requirement so at the end of the day everybody who works in the government is just a soldier who's doing what the the bureaucracy at the top what the administration in charge says to do and and and let me ask you a question uh you're uh you're in texas correct i'm in florida and i just moved here three weeks ago but i have an office and my headquarters is in dallas texas and my headquarters is in dallas texas right right on oakland and maple okay um so uh so yeah so do we have a bureau of alcohol tobacco and firearms most people in texas in their office have alcohol tobacco and firearms within arm's reach uh probably florida too uh yet we have an entire government bureaucracy that we spend billions of dollars fighting what is the illicit trade of legal commodities we have a drug enforcement agency 90 of drugs are legal more and more drugs are becoming legal yet we have an entire government bureaucracy that spends tens of billions of dollars a year fighting the illicit sale of legal commodities the 13th amendment makes 100 of slavery because that's what we're talking about right human trafficking is just a very very very cushy word for slavery 100 of slavery is illegal yet who's got the ball on that issue who actually does though who does have the ball on that so the department of justice uh great you know great agents doing what they can but there's not enough of them uh you've got department of homeland security they they try to do some work around human trafficking but department homeland security is very politicized uh right now they've got handcuffs on them on this issue you've got state and local law enforcement are really the ones that do the major majority of the heavy lifting we were just involved in the human trafficking task force at the super bowl multiple human traffickers arrested multiple victims free the major majority of the agents we were working with were state and local right they were county sheriff's deputies they were local police uh who who were doing this work yet there's no intelligence center that ties all these people together that ties all these cases together there's no software platform that that becomes the easy button for fighting human trafficking right because a law enforcement officer can't go put handcuffs on a bad guy and start doing intelligence work on a computer at the same time so while i did was say well this is a problem distill it down to its foundational principles which are primarily academic right it's important that we remove the emotion from this issue and look at it for what it is and said well this is a lot like terrorism and fighting narcotics overseas which quite frankly the taxpayers should be very proud of the government and the people who are fighting terrorism because we're we're arguably the best in the world at it and if if the the process that we've learned over 20 years of war works for fighting terrorism then why won't it work for human trafficking that's the thesis and so in 2015 when i started deliver funds specifically to to go after that problem and take that counter-terrorism methodology and turn it into counter-human trafficking and it's been working beyond uh our wildest imaginations of of how how well it could have worked and we're just getting warmed up i i want to i want to come to your system i'll come come back to the system of what you guys do but i saw an article here i almost didn't believe it i said i want to ask and nick and see what you're going to say about it this is from a year and a half ago business insider wrote an article 20 staggering facts about human trafficking in the u.s first one was human trafficking wasn't illegal meaning it was legal until 2020 when the traffic and victims protection act was passed which made it a federal crime then president george w boy signing the william wilbur force trafficking victims protection reauthorization act of 2008. what does that mean human trafficking wasn't illegal until 2000 well that that's a little bit of uh of some click bait so so it's always been illegal it's just been called other things right jazz um so uh uh it was usually prosecuted under the man act or pimping and pandering or what we what we look at at these at these uh as these uh kind of prostitution commercial sex related uh charges right should have a human trafficking victim who we have two human trafficking victims who who work for us at deliver fund um and they'll tell you that every time they got into contact with law enforcement they looked at them as prostitutes they were being forced to do what they were doing and so all the trafficking victim protection act did was was put a wrapper on what was actually happening so it defined what human trafficking was so it's not that human trafficking was legal right it's still a crime to force somebody to do something it's just we didn't have it all packaged up into one law and so the trafficking victim protection act said that to distill down the language you are guilty of human trafficking if you are controlling somebody and forcing them to work for your economic benefit or the economic benefit of somebody other than themselves and you're controlling them through force fraud or coercion and what we learned in doing this work is that it's actually it always starts with fraud rarely does this start with force or or coercion it usually almost always starts with fraud and then becomes force or coercion as the method of control once once they've defrauded the individual what what does that mean once they've defrauded the individual what does that mean so let's take a case of labor trafficking uh you get uh you know young girl from vietnam uh answers an ad in uh you know ho chi minh city for nannies in the united states and she thinks she's going to come over here and and be a nanny for some wealthy family and they interview her and make her think all of this and then they get her over here they take her passport and they stick her in an apartment brothel in new york uh that's that's what i mean by fraud uh you we saw the same thing out of eastern europe there were uh nurses uh who were being recruited out of eastern europe and uh and and the balkans area as well and they were bringing them over here telling them they were going to be nurses in the united states took their passports stuck them in a apartment brothel uh and then you have even here in the united states because major majority of human trafficking victims are are us citizens who are being trafficked by u.s citizens and sold to u.s citizens right there's a u.s problem so you get a young girl at high school befriends the older guy that she meets at the mall he showers her with gifts gains her trust and then finally gets her to a party drugs her you can use your imagination from there and now she's you know psychologically destroyed and he's got control of her for life so um i mean just thinking about it it's uh you know some movies do a good job painting the picture of what happens with this i think even recently one of them was rambo i i never thought the direction of the story would have gone with rambo was about human trafficking i don't know if you saw the movie around oh you're not a movie guy just yeah i didn't i didn't see it the movie was about human trafficking on what happened to his niece with what sly had to do go out there and try to save her but by then it was too late because that drugged her way too much that she couldn't make it uh 150 billion your industry it's a pretty big industry 150 billion out of your industry when i see stats different places 99 billion dollars 150 billion dollars global all these numbers what is the business model of human trafficking that's attracting so many people to want to go do it profits that's that's that's this is this is strictly a money play for these human traffickers um it's a very low risk right now we've been we've been increasing the risk but it's very low risk uh that you know if you're moving a kilo of cocaine a drug dog can kick that can can pick that up we have sensors that can pick that up if you're moving uh some scantily clad girls in the back of a car and you're maintaining the speed limits and your brake lights are good nobody knows that you're moving slaves and so i mean imagine if all of your employees you didn't have to pay them well what just happened to your profit margins right and and so that's why that's why they're doing this is it's just sheer slavery it's an uh predominantly there is forced labor that happens in the united states but the predominant business model is commercial sex but at the end of the day that's just the type of labor that the human trafficker is selling and so some some woman that and it's also it touches um the lgbtq community it touches touches all these vulnerable populations they are exploiting these people these human traffickers are exploiting these people by making them work and not paying them and so their their their profit margins are essentially you know 80 90 95 what is the uh uh have you guys noticed a pattern or a trend of a human trafficker so somebody who is doing it what is a typical pattern are you noticing a consistency with a pattern or is it just a criminal that's all it is they just kind of want to make money any kind of patterns you guys have found yes uh so we we build our own software uh we we have our own data collection and we we have those patterns we actually sit on top of the largest human trafficking database in existence largest and cleanest i've got over 70 law enforcement agencies around the united states that are all kind of working together on this database and so what that what that means is we've been able to take this very very clean data and start analyzing it for patterns and now we're getting to the point where our software is actually just going to be able to actually can bring human trafficking to our attention so we know exactly how they work and really their achilles heel you know i talk about this on on other podcasts and people say well nick how can you talk about what you're doing don't you need to be secret about it nope i don't because if your business model is that you need to be secretive about something well that's not scalable and that's that's not going to work uh human traffickers have to advertise if customers want to find you know a date for the night so to speak right that usually the customers think it's prostitution and they they want to find that girl they go to the internet that's where this is all advertised because if they put the girl on the street law enforcement can find it right law enforcement has the right to go approach her and talk to her she might wrap the trafficker out so it's a lot easier to keep her locked into a locked in a hotel room and advertise her online and there's there's dozens of websites online i mean you could you could get to these websites if you know where you're going this is not in the deep and dark web this is the front-facing internet the big famous one that everybody was aware of that the doj took down was backpage.com and so you go to those you go to those websites you schedule a date with a girl there's a human trafficker who's advertising that girl online and and the transaction happens so that's the achilles heel of of the whole human trafficking market in the in the united states is that it's predominantly online and so if you're online that means you're leaving a trail and we're really good at treat at uh chasing down those trails and seeing where they lead so i just looked at backpage.com founder michael lacy who was michael lacy uh he is currently uh under house arrest um he was actually uh so the village voice which was a publication out of new york right from the 70s i think they had the back page when the back page was right it was a lot of your uh your prostitution massage parlors a lot of human trafficking and then they took they took that back page of the newspaper and took it online and started selling one dollar advertisements um to people who were predominantly engaged in the commercial sex industry and uh everybody uh their their whole c-suite was arrested they all pled guilty uh michael's including himself i know michael lacy and um i can't remember the other founder's name off the top of my head but they're fighting the charges because they're old um and you know they're they're going to come out of prison in a pine box if uh if they get convicted or should we say when they get convicted so they are how did how did the law enforcement find out that backpage was doing this behind closed doors uh we we decided we the lever fund decided to make backpage our hobby uh oh so you did that you went after back page because i see 2018 and you've been around for six years so we were uh we were one of many many members of a of a team uh the the the real credit goes to federal law enforcement and uh and actually uh texas ag's office they did a phenomenal job uh there's some law enforcement in arizona that was working the case as well but when it came when it came to kind of coordinating a lot of the intelligence work and and passing that off uh we did uh we did a lion's share of that for sure so carl ferrer who was the ceo of backpage i believe that's the name you were trying to think about did they know that human trafficking was taking place and they kind of looked the other way is that what the challenge was yes they absolutely know that how did they know that because it's egregious uh i mean and any any any person who was looking at what was happening uh on their platform uh i mean they they knew what was happening and the doj actually has communications if you research the back back page case you'll find that's why they pled guilty is because they were literally talking about it on their on their corporate communications uh so they have the servers they have everything that they were talking about and they have them talking about the fact that they knew this was happening um and they were they they were let me give you an example of the kind of thing that was happening there there was a uh a 12 year old girl who was advertised by a human trafficker on backpage right so you could tell along with a photo um and he put her age as 12 years old well backpage's moderators changed the age to 18 and then let the ad go come on absolutely evil i mean just just evil so so i'm looking at alternative to back pay so i'm assuming you target craiglist.com oilx facebook kg free ads what are the websites you target that can do exactly what backpage did uh so i'm not going to give the names of the uh websites that we target actively uh these websites are very profitable and i'm not interested in uh i'm not even going to shut up okay in that fight um and and more importantly uh people who don't know where to go telling them where to go uh but there's uh there's about 32 sites right now that are are the primary sites where the source data comes from uh and we we are actively uh we're actively collecting from all of those sites so let me ask you this when you're dealing with a company that say they don't know that that is taking place and then they find out based on the proof you show because i think your model isn't you go attack them your model is you go team up with a 70 or 60 law enforcement organization that you work with you no longer kick the doors down you give the intel to those to go kick the doors down i think if after doing some research on your business model that's your business model right correct okay so so you find out a company that's a real company they have somebody who's a human trafficker leveraging the the the the clientele the traffic that's coming to that website do you then contact them and have the business work with you to get more that data for you to pass down to law enforcement like do the companies now help become a teammate with you that's always the first that's always the first place that we start so we have very very publicly recognizable partners publicly traded companies that we work with to help them keep human traffickers off of their platform but a lot of these websites they specifically moved their business operations overseas into non-friendly non-uh or non-friendly non-extradition u.s country uh countries so that they're not subject to u.s jurisdiction guidelines that's kind of part of the problem so how do you battle that right now there's nothing we can really do on that um we we have a way of diluting their market uh which we don't talk about publicly to make it so that it just complicates their business right it just it just makes it so that the the the trafficker can never quite get his product in front of the customer and the customer can never quite find a real product so we have ways of of complicating that a little bit but primarily the way that the way that we deal with that is uh is by getting these human traffickers arrested and that's that's one one key thing that we need to focus on is in order to have a human trafficking victim which is the reason we're doing this right uh human traffickers are bad people they're gonna do bad things um there's nothing nick can do about that however they are they're exploiting people they're harming children and so the reason that there are human trafficking victims is because there are human traffickers so we don't need to spend all of our time focusing on on rescuing victims we need to focus on preventing victims by getting rid of human traffickers makes sense yeah that that makes sense and uh so so sometime when you're you guys have to wrestle with pigs quite often right yourself like you you have to get dirty yourself in order for you to be able to uh make their life a living hell i know i know you can't say yes or not but your world is not like hey let's take the proper route and you know let's you have to make their life a living kill by playing some of their games against them no so not so much playing their games against them um you know everything that we do is reviewed by legal counsel um we work with prosecutors love us uh and we wouldn't be able to we wouldn't be able to do the things that we did if our if the work that we put together was not admissible in court all right and and everything that we do is admissible in court we're open to discovery it's uh it's a very very above board operation but what we do is we infiltrate their communications uh and i hope there are human traffickers out there right now listening to that and wondering whether or not that person they're communicating with online is actually one of my intelligence analysts uh we infiltrate their communications where they're they're they're sharing best practices they're um they're they literally will will coordinate with each other to say hey you know the super bowl is coming to my town um i've only got three girls i need i need other guys to come down and bring more girls so that we can service what is a market opportunity for them and that's a a key differentiator in the way that we fight human trafficking is we fight it as a market we fight it through economics where in your business and in my other business i'm always trying to reduce risk right we're always trying to mitigate it what our whole what we do at deliver fund is we increase market risk for the human traffickers to cut into their profit margins and make it harder for them to do business yeah but human traffickers kind of like obviously you'll see where i'm going with this uh uh nick only seven percent of people are going to graduate prairie rescue watch me do it only one person is going to become a cia watch me do it 86 which is only 14 of people that do what you're doing right now their marriage ends up at a divorce oh if i beat seven percent and one percent i'm going to beat 14 that's not a problem i got it right are these guys intimidated by that they're like dude you're not going to catch me we know what we're doing we're smarter than you they're thinking they're going to outsmart you every single time because no and and here's here's the mystery you know what i'm saying right you know what no absolutely but here's a misconception about human trafficking right people will say that human trafficking is the largest growing criminal enterprise it's just not true narcotics and guns especially with all the wars going on around the world um narcotics and guns are you know illegal gun running as is hands down the largest illicit commodities uh the next is uh people will say well you can actually make more money from uh you know from selling human trafficking victims than you can from narcotics or guns that is also not true because you can have a shipping container full of cocaine or aks sitting in a port somewhere and you can leave it there for two years and those the drugs and the guns are worth just as much as they were when you put that container there you can't do that with people right people have people require overhead you have to house them you have to feed them you have to keep them in at least good enough conditions so that customers want to spend some time with them uh and that's that's that's the achilles heel that cuts into the profit margins of of human traffickers and so most of your smart criminals i mean your your people who would be curing cancer were they not criminals um most of them are into some type of organized crime around either narcotics or guns or you know ripping off banks credit card fraud those types of things it's actually uh in a there are exceptions to this rule but it's it's not your smartest criminals who are human traffickers there's also a piece here you know i saw in doing research that you you've interviewed many members of of the mob my guess is if you go ask them what they think about human trafficking they're gonna say that's over the line and if we found somebody doing that in our organization they were going to end up in a box and that's what happens with a lot of these these criminal enterprises too is uh you know you'll have you'll have uh you know narcotics criminal enterprises who aren't going to allow their people to start harming children so so even within the criminal underworld there's there's an ethic line when it comes to children that people won't cross oh there's no question about it and they even had a code la cosa no sir they wouldn't touch drugs although several people did but that was part of their code as well so not the smartest criminals okay so not the smartest criminals meaning they're not trying to play the oh i'm gonna beat the odds of seven percent one person fourteen so you're saying they're scared like if you scare them they run away like a little cat is it are they are they scared criminals like can you scare them away from the industry or no no not really okay so so this is all they know okay so business model to catch them i'm just i'm not in your world but i'm just thinking about it so if it's super bowl and these are the girls that are doing it you know they're coming in and hey customers go people gonna they're gonna go online to get somebody hey i had one too many drinks and they call somebody how do i find somebody hey we got so it's the business model to go to the super bowl and go find those sites and call 100 200 300 400 of them then you send your guys to go meet with the girls and then you tell the girls that you're willing to help them out and interrogate them to get a feel if they are working with somebody and then you have them come with you you can't get all 300 of them because they're scared for their lives that that you know individuals it's the relationship with the pimp and the prostitute and you know how that relation if it's fear-based absolutely then you convince a percentage to go with you and then you backtrack giving them protection and safety and then through backtracking you find out who it is and then you go track them down but at that point they know that you've taken some of their people so they're probably on the run is that part of the business model at least not yours because you're not the one that does that you just give intel is that one part of the business model that the law enforcement does or no yeah so that's that's exactly what law enforcement does uh law enforcement you know gets in front of the girls uh because you got it you gotta have a witness right you gotta you gotta have you gotta have proof uh gets in front of them and says hey you know and usually a lot of times using our intel here's what we know about you we know that you you and that girl over there are actually all connected and we know that you're run by this guy we know that he's sitting in a car in the parking lot um all we need you to do is is tell us that he's holding you against your will and uh and we got this or in many many cases what what can happen is uh you know the human trafficker is controlling the girl so he'll go drop her off at whatever venue and as as uh as he's dropping her off law enforcement swoops in and uh and catches them together so so you you do have those types of cases but some of these are very very insidious we had a case in the southwestern united states with girls on her own so we thought she was a human trafficking victim we were sure she was a human trafficking victim and our analysts are really really good yet when the law enforcement wrapped her up she was on her own well after questioning her for about 20-30 minutes she broke down crying and the human trafficker had her baby and was threatening to hurt her baby and had her baby in another city and that was the handle he was using to control her hands makes sense what a way to hold somebody hostage um so how much does the us government to to fight what you guys are fighting you can't do with a couple million dollars how much is the u.s government putting behind this like how much are they saying we are going to fight human trafficking we're going to put up this much money and then go and help certain organizations to you know accelerate the process of eliminating if not as much as we can to get rid of human trafficking so the us government spends less than a dollar per human trafficking victim globally globally which is globally it's a 20 to 40 million people globally so you're telling me it's only 20 to 40 million a year the the last numbers we had are that the us government spends 22 million dollars a year fighting human trafficking like specifically dedicated to fighting human trafficking so so so let me ask you why uh so which which president has been the most is it because it's an uncomfortable topic for presidents to campaign behind that no one wants to talk about because it's you know it's a little bit of an uncomfortable topic you know to talk about human trafficking why haven't presidents campaign behind something like this and made it an issue for people to say yeah i think we need to put i mean right now we just did 1.9 trillion dollars right okay what's the big deal if you put 10 billion behind something like this this is actually emotionally painful to the parents that lost their kid and they go through this and you know when someone goes through this to get them back to living a normal life and rather than wanting to commit a suicide the percentages are so high that very rarely do you get them back to being normal it's a very it's a big fight that they have and it takes years it doesn't take three six months and many times it takes three four five years to get him back to saying okay this is not your fault you didn't do this it's okay you got to move on why wouldn't the government want to fund this and put some money behind it that's a great question and i don't have an answer for that this is uh this is such a problem uh and it kind of goes back to what i said in the beginning like we have whole government bureaucracies that spend tens of billions of dollars to fight legal the the illicit sale of legal commodities yet we don't have a single government agency that is focused on this issue and why you know why when i was at the cia did we have this intelligence on a human trafficker in another country and was there nowhere to send it you know why is why is delta not being sent in to go take down you know major human traffickers overseas yeah i mean these these are legitimate questions we need to be asking of our politicians and our policymakers to say why is this not a priority and and and human or politicians do campaign on this issue i mean if you if you look at it they talk about it but but show me the money if it's if you're serious about it right the the uh the bible says where your where's your where your treasure lies there your heart will be also uh so show me show me the money that we're actually spending uh we've seen lots of bills come through saying that this much is gonna be spent or that much is going to be spent but they all go unfunded so how how united are all of you on the private side meaning someone like you a tim ballard a you know there's there's men there's a good amount of you that are you guys all pretty united or is it a pretty competitive environment or is it all we're united because we're fighting the same fight it's united we're we're fighting the same fight uh you know what we do with deliver fun we're the only organization in the world that does what we do and you know the the other folks out there be it international justice mission is a great example you know we work uh we work closely with some of their folks they're the only group that does what they do national center for missing and exploited children is a phenomenal organization right a lot of people don't realize that actually is a private non-profit that john walsh started around the missing kids issue they uh we work very closely with them uh and so so you you have all these various groups that kind of do different pieces of it you know one of the one of the key components of the fight against human trafficking is the restoration homes you know these are people who have started their started non-profits to provide restoration services to uh to human trafficking victims uh and so so it does get into this environment where you know especially if you have people with really really good hearts but no business experience or no business sense and they don't have the right business people wrapped around them i've been incredibly blessed in that i've had big business brains you know really come in and help us out not only with money but but to show us where the potholes in the road are and so on the restoration side you have a lot of organizations that are just trying to do the right thing to help these victims but they don't know how to do it in a repeatable scalable way so so so you and tim tim ballard have a relationship like you guys do stuff together no no as i understand it they predominantly focus overseas okay um you're more you're more domestic and we are we are only domestic domestic okay yes uh okay so you know give us a um i mean the where i was going with this was the following where i was going with this is how often have you guys gotten in front of congress and made a case how often have you guys gone to dc and made a case how often do you guys unite together and make a case how often have you guys gone and gotten celebrities behind something like this to make a case how often uh have we you know rallied people if if if uh save the world uh save uh uh make it a better place to you and uh you know the song back in the days you know which one i'm talking about they don't want to get paid for they're just like look we're doing it for a good cause and there are people that are willing to do that who who's who's leading that today i know i know uh ashton kutcher did some stuff and he was pretty active and you can tell the pain when he was speaking about it so i do i don't see this as a democrat republican or independent thing i just see this as a listen this ain't politics this is kids period and all you need to know to uh uh emotionally be connected to this is to have a kid or a younger sibling as long as you have a kid or a younger sibling and you emotionally experience that you're like the no-brainer i'll support it how can i support it how come no one's been able to get in front of the government for the government to say we're going to put a billion 2 billion 5 billion timber behind it you know it's funny we were actually coordinating with ashton kutcher and and uh i was on a call with him and you know he he goes in front of congress um i was asked to speak in front of congress three times and every time two days before they canceled why is that um you know uh yoda soros at the national center for missing exploited children who's the chief legal counsel there she does you know she goes and talks to policy makers on a routine basis but national center for missing exploited children gets 60 million dollars a year from the federal government so maybe now and that's predominantly focused around the missing kids issue and that's not human trafficking specific so so children who go missing you know foster kids like i was a foster kid right i got lucky um i very easily could have been uh a human trafficking victim uh kids by the way foster kid is 60 it's it's a very big number yeah um missing kids uh national center mis estimates that once a child goes goes missing or or runs away within the first 48 hours they'll be they'll be approached by a human trafficker because these human traffickers know where to find them and they're and they're cruising around looking for them so there you are a you know a runaway teen in in seattle in the winter and you're sitting on a park bench and people think that you're just a homeless team and if you ran away then i guess you are a homeless teen at that point human trafficker comes by with a warm car and says hey you want some food get in yeah so so then my next question would be and i was on a flight one time i think it was 14 years ago it was 0.607 i was on a flight one time and me and my uh a friend were sitting next to each other and and she looks at the girl sitting in front of us says pat take a look at this it seems a little weird and i said what do you mean i said look you know every time i look at her phrase she looks scared i'm trying to talk to her so she waited for the guy to go to the bathroom and the guy was probably 62 years old and she was probably 12 13 years old she looked like she had a little pouch like almost being pregnant and she started talking to her who is that man sitting next to you how are you sweetie you know trying to kind of and she talks to her and she's like i can't talk to you and he's like is this your daddy i can't talk to you and and i'm listening i'm like dude this this girl is frightened on this flight right so so i follow the guy i'm not trying to make a scene i follow my case i'm trying to start a conversation with him and i look at him i'm like yeah something's wrong with you buddy there's something very weird which i started hey so tell me where you guys from you know i'm just trying to start a conversation and hey can you leave us alone i'm like can you leave us alone who the hell says can you leave a salon like it's totally fine so is that your daughter none of your business yes that's my daughter i'm like even if that's your daughter you're 62 okay fine we're living in america times are changing maybe you're sure so then i go up to the flight attendant i said listen this this is a little bit 42 years of me living i've never done this in my life you know i'm convinced this guy was a dirty guy and i wanted to take it on my own but i had you know friends i knew on the flight i'm not trying to make a you know but at the same time i said you know do you guys have any agency people on the flight i know typically on every flight there's somebody that's an agent you know that's on i don't need to know the answer to the question but there's a very weird situation going on here there's this man sitting here and this girl and my friend and i started talking to them and she's scared for her life and i feel like i have to do something about this but i'm not an agent i don't do anything can you please tell your management so she said let me see what i can do so they come back they look start talking to him at this point he's thinking that i because he looked at me like pissed off even more and i really at this point i'm not i'm really don't care at this point what's going on so he goes back she goes back and tells the other person so now everybody's kind of trying to find out what's going on and i said do you mind you know not letting them get off the flight and have some agents coming on board and kind of doing what they're doing so sir we have it from here let us take care of it we make sure we we want to reassure you we're going to do something i left i waited all i know is the guy and the girl didn't get off and they were kind of somebody was talking to them i don't know what happened there but you know that was just my gut i may have been wrong never felt like that before ever in my life i'm a pretty intuitive guy i'm around a lot of people i travel very regularly and it it felt very very weird what what can so there's two directions i'm going with this on one is i'm talking as a citizen what can i do if i see something that's wary and something just doesn't look right what what can we do to help because we got you know 350 million people say 40 million people living in america human traffickers it's not a big number say it's in the thousands but we got a lot of other adults that are out there looking all this other stuff what signs can we look for and what can we do in that moment you know to maybe potentially help one girl that is going through the mess that she's going with a trafficker so the answer to that question actually goes right back to the story you just told uh the you know people say well what should we look for uh well people will tell you that you know you look for a girl with a crown tattoo on her neck well that's that's pretty old that's about 20 that that's about 20 years ago that traffickers were doing what's that problem what's the crime they they put a crown they mark their victims um they used to mark them like on their neck or on their face until they figured out that it's pretty easy for law enforcement to figure out so they stopped doing that they still do mark them but usually in a place that you can't see and but when you see something that just doesn't make sense right especially when it when it involves fear uh we all know what fear looks like i mean we could see it in other people it's a survival instinct uh that allowed you know mankind to proliferate say hey you know i'm afraid because there's a lion over there so we all know what it looks like so when you see that you did exactly the right thing which is you want to tell the next level of authority that you can right so in this case it was you know it was the the crew at the airline if if it's not the crew at the airline it's going to be the airport security it's going to be a law enforcement officer it's going to be calling your county sheriff all of those things but then you get this problem with too much data because that law enforcement officer who's a human trafficking detective that's only one of their jobs they're also working traffic two days a week and they're also doing something else because law enforcement is undermanned uh as much as anybody in the government so that's where we come in in that we provide technology software so it connects those cases across the country so that those those law enforcement officers can log into our system and say all right you know has any of the information that this that this girl gave me or this guy gave me has anybody else in law enforcement seen this before and so they'll search it and oh yep sure enough there's a guy there's a detective in nebraska all right let me call that detective in nebraska and see see what's going on right and so so getting people to report things i mean even if you don't i mean you don't know it's a human trafficking victim it could be something completely different it could be you know the the girl's parents had died in a car crash and this is an uncle she doesn't know very well who was the last of kin who now is taking you know taking her on i mean you have no idea but the point was that something wasn't right and so you told somebody and that is exactly what the public needs to do and err on the side of caution er right just err on the side of caution like this could be a human trafficking problem it could be a kidnapping problem there was something going on so we need to tell somebody you know again i'm not in your world but if i'm in your world you know i think speed is critical right call to action is critical and you know i understand the research data all of that but that's to hunt down the trafficker right but when you're in an opportunistic moment you know um there has to be because once once they're gone they're gone your opportunity is gone you know how much does speed play a role in catching traffickers when you see an opportunity to execute immediately meanwhile the law enforcement agencies you're dealing with maybe that's not at their top of their priority so what happens when you event intel do they execute immediately it's like oh we can't do it today we're so busy we'll do it tomorrow how does the level of speed to call to action i'm gather the information i got it how how fast does execution happen executing the data that i got to go catch this guy what have you noticed yourself not near fast enough uh law enforcement always wants to execute on it immediately but great example is at the super bowl uh we had over 700 intelligence packages go out uh during the super bowl operation i if you took every single law enforcement officer in the tampa era area and solely dedicated them to the human trafficking problem they wouldn't have been able to get to the bottom of it and and that's a that's a very harsh reality of how big this problem is and it's gotten this big because we never we never took combating it seriously so now we're at the super bowl my analysts they know many human traffickers who showed up at the super bowl and then left the super bowl with their girls well quite frankly that sucks but we have all that data and now we know where they're going because they're advertising so we know where they're going to end up the computers will let us know when they settle and then we can call law enforcement in that area and say hey these guys were just in the super bowl and the reality is sometimes law enforcement says hey we actually don't have anybody who deals with human trafficking we don't want anything to do with that um and in which case you're like all right why why do they say that though because they're not funded for it all right go to go to your local you i'm sure you know some folks in law enforcement go to your police chief and say hey um show me show me the budgets for your your narcotics unit for your gangs unit for your property crime unit and for your human trafficking unit and what you'll find is that the gang's unit is fully funded narcotics unit is fully funded property crime that touches commercial real estate uh which touches their donors the mayor's donors so guarantee you that's funded and many times they'll tell you we actually don't have a human trafficking unit we have a detective who does something else who if a human trafficking case comes along they go ahead and and they deal with it so you you obviously the idea of defunding the police just even hurts us even more because you need funding to be able to execute on some of these things so uh a question question for you on on how many total traffickers are they're not victims but how many total traffickers if you can estimate are there in america today i would estimate it around the man it'd be hard 25 to 50 000 mark what i'm sorry go ahead and and the way we get that is again we're talking illicit underground commodities right elicit underground networks very very difficult to get good data on that but the national center for missing exploited children estimates that about a hundred thousand children a year children enter the human trafficking market in america in america and these are american these are american citizens this is not lethal weapon and there's you know chinese coming in over shipping containers or the movie taken um right this is this is uh this is our sons and daughters that are being targeted primarily on internet platforms uh social media uh gaming consoles by human traffickers and groomed which is what they call it into their into their business enterprise how many total victims if it's 25 to 50 traffickers how many victims total so we we don't know we know that about a hundred thousand children a year enter the cycle we know that the average life of a human trafficking victim is seven years so you can do some you can do some fox and rabbit uh economics on that pretty quick to figure out that it it's it's hundreds of thousands of human trafficking victims if you do 700 if you do 700 if that 100 000 stays but the next year the 100 000 stays for seven years and the next year so out of a seven year period you're at 700 000 but they're rolling up so it's about 1.4 1.23 million okay what is the worst example we've made of human traffickers the worst example yeah meaning what what is the crime of a human trafficker and what how have we publicly um you know made an example of them to punish them in a way where others sit there and say do you hear about what happened to johnny yeah i don't know man they're cracking down very quickly they just got another one and another one and another one and another one how do we advertise the human traffickers are getting caught and how bad of a punishment are we passing down to them so others are kind of being a little bit more hesitant about what they're doing so the minimum mandatory sentence for human trafficking at the federal level is 15 years that's it that's the minimum or maximum no that's the minimum mandatory sentence we see human traffickers get 15 years they'll get they'll get house arrest for the first two or three years while their cases is going through uh that will come off their sentence and then we've seen human traffickers get probation after as little as five years i mean think about it you can get 30 years for money laundering why is it that on a federal charge you can get more years in prison for money laundering than you can for human trafficking now in some states like texas and montana i mean it's it you actually want to get a state charge because it's life in prison for a human trafficking charge so what we're seeing and i actually believe that this is the right this is the right answer we're seeing the states start to take this this this issue into their own hands um with some supplemental funding by the federal government and they're starting to push that forward one of the best human trafficking task forces in the united states is the hetra in in houston it's the human trafficking rescue alliance uh it's it's uh multiple jurisdictions dozens of jurisdictions in the in the houston area um and it's it's a very much a local human trafficking task force the feds have some involvement in it for sure but you're looking at about a ten to one local agent to federal agent ratio on fighting human trafficking and by the way their full-time human trafficking analyst is actually one of my employees because they they couldn't afford to hire a full-time human trafficking analyst so we uh we got a guy who came from uh the the human intelligence operations side of seal team six and hired him on a full-time salary and what he does is he hunts down human traffickers on the intel side for those law enforcement officers but notice i said that one human trafficking task force la's got a decent one new york has a decent one chicago's is up and coming uh but 80 of america is rural and the human traffickers know that moving through rural america is the best way not to get caught nick what what do you think is appropriate punishment for human trafficking i think life in prison sounds pretty good to me nothing above that life is plenty is what you're thinking uh yeah i think i think life is uh i think life is pretty good um you know beyond that you start getting into uh political issues that um you may you made a video on this uh that i thought was was very good for a guy in my situation um in talking about you know various political issues so let's just start with let's just start with life in prison let's get that locked in uh right we know that that worked when we when we had gangs uh targeting law enforcement officers and we made you know the killing of a law enforcement officer uh a life sentence we know that that worked so let's try that for human trafficking and then and then let's see where that data takes us and move beyond that top states i looked at for human trafficking i saw california texas florida nevada vegas specifically obviously vegas makes uh some sense but then they said the epicenter is new york city what would you say having been in this industry yourself where do you see a lot of the human trafficking taking place so human trafficking is transitory uh right the the traffickers i mean at the end of the day let's remember they are they are business people and i don't want to say business men because a lot of human traffickers are women um so they are they're business people who are going to go where the market opportunity is so new york city is not a problem right now because people have been fleeing new york city because of tax issues and and covet and so you're starting to see an uptick in human trafficking activity in places like texas where you know montana uh rural america where people where people are flooding to and human traffickers can't get hotel rooms um they can't you know if there's a big coveted lockdown so they're going to go to the places where there isn't a coved lockdown then they follow the market god okay so they're not as dumb as you think they are a little bit smart yeah but how smart do you have to be to say hey i'm not making any money in this city let's try the next one um you know it's they're they're looking at it as as a uh let's say great examples um consumer electronics show right it's a market opportunity for them you've got all kinds of people from all over the world come to las vegas to you know to to party and they want girls at those parties and and they want to they want to show up so they'll have human traffickers who will who will leave nebraska to go to nevada to sell their girls in nevada because that's an opportunity for them they'll sell them along the way they might hit a couple other cities on their way back home so so um when you're saying some of these human traffickers are not men they're women epstein maxwell jalane jalene you would put as a human trafficker would she categorically be a human trafficker it's just a high-end human trafficker right from what i know of the case yes i'm not an expert on that case by any means but but from what i know yes um you that's that's the the misconception is that all human traffickers are men and that is not the case uh i mean many many human traffickers are women many of them became human trafficking victims and then the stockholm syndrome set in pretty bad and they started they started essentially acting as a business manager for their human trafficker to get preferential treatment uh right preferential uh uh you know maybe maybe some freedoms things like that and then eventually maybe the human trafficker goes to prison and they just take over the business enterprise interesting um last question and then i'll wrap up with the you know one last short this is the next topic and then the last one i'll wrap up with a basic question uh parents um what what what can we as parents do to um be alert be aware anticipate prevent what can we do to be smarter with this be nosy and be in your children's lives know who they're talking to know what's no no know what's going on know whether or not that game that they're playing has a chat feature and and i talked to parents like well i'm just not good with technology when it's time to get good with technology because if you're going to allow your children to if you're going to allow your children to to use a gaming console or to use a phone um look at look at that as a weapon right no parent would hand their child a loaded gun and say oh well i'm just not good with guns so i don't i don't know how to check to see if it's loaded tell me how a gaming console or a phone is any different um right our our job as parents is to protect our children and that means protecting them from things that that they don't understand the consequences for if you go to our website at deliverfund.org you will see a you'll see a video of a boy who was uh trafficked he was uh he was groomed through a gaming console um our legal counsel says i can't say which one um but he was he was uh he was groomed through a a uh a very recognizable gaming console one of the top three uh and the and he thought he was talking to another boy his age in another state and then that human trafficker when you know got him to tell him over a period of months where he lived human trafficker then um contacted him and said hey um i'm with my dad up the street why don't you uh why don't you come out and say hi and so the boy did jumped in the car obviously it was a it was a grown man took his phone they found the phone in the the front yard of a neighbor's house and took this young boy to another state now luckily one of our analysts kara smith you can find her on on instagram at kara the huntress um which is kind of our little name for her because all she she lives to hunt down human traffickers and she's a former nsa analyst she was able to find this this young boy where he was and uh within a couple of hours and law enforcement kicked in the door of this guy's house and rescued the boy uh within 48 hours but but that that's a great example and and the father of this young boy uh he was an i.t security specialist at a very large no at a very large i.t security company so he had all the right filters on his on his router he had all the right stuff he was doing the right things he just assumed that because he pushed the easy button for for you know keeping keeping the you know pornography and stuff like that out of office home internet um that there was no other way that these human traffickers could get these children so you see your kids talking to somebody on a on a game on a gaming console or or on a phone you know hey who are you talking to what are they saying do you really know that's them you know helping children understand that the person on the other side of the internet could be anybody it could be who they who they claim to be and it also could not you know my my uh my other company verify you know we we do all this work around fraud for investments and uh and it shocks me how many very very very bright very wealthy individuals who have made billions of dollars end up being defrauded by somebody just because they took their word for it next thing you know they're losing tens of millions of dollars so if that can happen to uh that can happen to private equity firms if that can happen to investment banks if that can happen to uh you know venture capital firms it surely can happen to a teenage kid who's playing a video game you're crazy when you're just thinking about like how they go about by the way do you know jarrah uh hutchins or no can't say i do no error hutchins and dallas you don't okay she uh she's one of those that loves fighting human trafficking and she teaches people how to get uh licensed to carry and she's she's phenomenal she's awesome phenomenal what she does yeah i watched a movie years ago i know you're not a movie guy you're a music guy but you're not a movie guy you haven't even seen the movie jack ryan and that jack ryan no i haven't so i watched this movie called disconnect and disconnect was a great movie to show how a kid gets bullied online and this this guy's um father parents go through a divorce you know he's just not he's just not connected you know he's just so busy i don't have any time i don't have any time he's actually they're not divorced one the other kid is parents divorced so this the kids the bullies in school find out that this kid likes this girl so they make a fake profile and send a picture of somebody else's naked picture without the face on and said i'll show you mine if you show me yours so she's they the guy send a picture of another girl online that they got so he then sends a picture of himself naked the boys end up using a picture against him share it with everybody in school because they're you know kids they do stupid things obviously that's cyber bullying this kid is so embarrassed to go to school that he ends up hanging himself and his sister walks in on time where he doesn't kill himself but that has nothing to do with human trafficking but it does oh it does it absolutely does the first two three steps where i'll show you mine if you show me yours i recommend every parent to watch this movie because it's a very interesting movie and a guy that's in this movie is the guy from horrible bosses i don't know what the guy's name is jason is it jason bateman jason uh is that is that an actress i don't i think that's the actor's name jason jason bateman who's in he's done a great job but uh you know i think i think there needs to be more education on this i saw the hotline you know there's a hotline for human trafficking and and is that something you support with what they do is that an organization that you support so the national human trafficking hotline is uh is a good uh it's a good resource but it's the best resource is to call your local law enforcement uh because that's where it's actually happening right national human trafficking hotline is a hotline in dc um you know doing the best they can from there but you want to call where it's actually happening because like you said patrick it is speed right time is of the essence in these cases so you want to get that law enforcement officer on the ground where you see the problem involved and and what you brought up is is what uh what is referred to as sextortion human traffickers use that they they create a profile some girl thinks that she's talking to some good looking guy who's a couple years older they get a picture and then they use that to control these to control these girls we've actually had cases where there were teenage girls who were living at home with their parents who were being trafficked after school when their parents thought that they were at soccer practice and all they knew was that something was not right with their daughters but their daughter wouldn't talk about it because this trafficker was threatening to you know show their church or show their parents or something like that so helping your children understand that one you can kind of survive anything right i mean yes if if that naked picture of you gets gets put on the internet um well one if you're underage those platforms have a responsibility to take that to take that down and there's legal consequences if they don't so that's the first thing the second thing is what will happen to you if you if you cooperate with a human trafficker is far worse than anything that that could ever happen uh otherwise and and the last piece is for children to understand that anything they put on the internet lives forever right unless you get as lucky as me and you have a government agency just to go start scrubbing things off right i mean i'm one of the few people who in their mid-30s had got a got a fresh fresh start on the internet um that just doesn't happen so for children to understand that if you take a picture on a phone it lives forever if you send it it lives forever and event you have to assume that anything you do on the internet is going to end up on the front page of the washington post you know it's funny i i've never said this ever in an interview i hope this video gets millions of views if anybody's watching you if you know i mean if any of you i've never said i hope this video gets millions of views i hope this envy gets millions of views and i hope people share it with other parents and give the thumbs up everything that the algorithms work in favor of you to putting this all over the place because people need to get educated uh just in the last hour and 15 minutes however long we've been going minus the conversation and i had offline i've gotten smarter and i i appreciate your time i appreciate everything you uh shared with us and uh we will leave the link below to both of your companies obviously the deliver being at the top and we'll put the other one as well and um how people can find you they can find it easily through your website right is that is that the best way to find you through your website yeah you find me through the website um i'm on all the social media platforms uh at deliver fund nick and uh linkedin is the one that i'm the most active on uh and thank you patrick for for helping us shine a light on this issue i mean this is it's a team effort and everyone's got a got a part to play and and so thank you for that i think you play a very important role and i hope more people get inspired to do what you do once they leave the military because we need the people like you and i hope any government officials or anybody that's involved in politics who watches this content also has the courage to bring it up to folks in power who see value in this so eventually the budget for this goes into the billions i think 10 20 30 billion to eliminate this at least in america and then eventually gradually work internationally once again thank you thank you for your time and uh a very very very good very good interview with you the last hour and a half i really enjoyed it my brain is going a million miles an hour thanks again nick thank you patrick i've not asked you this before but i'm asking you right now and hopefully you will do this as a valuetainer please share this video text it to people hit the thumbs up button share it whatever way you can for other people to see it for the algorithms to be on our favor because this is not a message about how you make millions how you make billions how you become successful it's not entertainment this is purely something that's about education and awareness i'm asking you share it with any parent that you know and say just watch this video get a paper and pen out you're going to want to pay attention to this one here and having said that if you enjoy this interview you learn from it i have a real life story of somebody that experienced this her name is janome park if you've never seen that interview click over here to watch that and uh hopefully together we can create more awareness of this and even if we make this much of a dent and this leads to helping out 20 kids 100 kids 5 000 kids 100 000 kids we did our job take care everybody bye

Channel: Valuetainment

Views: 1,132,532

Keywords: Entrepreneur, Entrepreneurs, Entrepreneurship, Entrepreneur Motivation, Entrepreneur Advice, Startup Entrepreneurs, valuetainment, patrick bet david, Personal Security, Celebrity Bodyguard Rates 10 Bodyguard Scenes From Movies And TV | How Real Is It?, Celebrity Bodyguard, Bodyguard, staying secure, bodyguard, high price body guard, Nic McKinley, DeliverFund, Valuetainment, Human Trafficking, Sex Slavery, Modern Slavery, how to stop human trafficking, real life Jack Ryan

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Length: 81min 41sec (4901 seconds)

Published: Fri Mar 05 2021

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[u/Rozzmanek]

If youre interested in more of this type of shit listen to the interview of ronald bernard he "drowned" in his bathtub in water reaching up to his knees after naking 7 phone calls to the police which they ignored 2 weeks after releasing the interview

[u/criddlem92]

This is part of the reason why a certain president made the borders so hard to cross. He was just being racist though, so glad he's out of office now right?!

[u/AlexanderChippel]

Bro it's like asking that scruffy guy with the bloodshot eyes to investigate who's smoking weed in the Walmart bathroom.