(Nev)
There's a car pulling in. (Kamie)
Wait 'till she get out. (Red)
Oh, my God. This some bull(bleep). (Kamie)
Hello. Hi. (Nev)
Hi, Ashley. How are you? (Ashley)
I'm good. Nice to meet you. Nev. Kamie. It is Ashley? Yeah. Right. How'd it go getting in? Good. (Nev)
Had you been to L.A.
before? No. (Kamie)
Never been to L.A.? I said no. I thought you were
just here doing (indistinct) for work. Okay, I'ma talk for you. Oh, (bleep) me then.
That's fine. I was just trying
to make some small talk. 'Cause I'm assuming
you're nervous. Anyway, we figured out
that a lot of the profiles that Red has been talking to
for the past six years are fake. We're assuming you're behind most
or all of them. Uh-huh. (Nev)
No one else is involved. No. OK. So, Shakaina. Tamar-- Me, me, me, me, me, me. (Nev)
I just want to make sure I know
all-- how many are there. Some that we don't
even know about. Oh, yeah? Are you doing this
to anybody else? Of course. Oh, my God. I just want to know why.
Like, why? What was the purpose? It just started. (Red)
Why? You hopped on
my inbox first. Who, Julisa's? 'Cause I don't even know you. (Nev)
Well, wait.
When you say-- And I didn't hop at
nobody's inbox. You did, though. (Red)
As Julisa?
Was it Julisa? No, you hopped in
Shakaina's inbox first. Oh, see,
you're not Shakaina. You skippity skip skip hop. But, why? You did the bunny rabbit
and you hopped. You hopped your ass
in there. Really? Really? Don't flip this on me. What is the attitude? I'ma talk to him,
he the host. Wow. You are the one
who is impersonating other people
on the internet. It's his show, not yours. But I'm talking to you. It's our show. And therefore, (Ashley)
Well, I'm talking to him. you are here on our show with our cameras. Ugh, this bitch. If you call me a bitch
one more time, we're gonna have
a serious problem. So let's be respectful. (Ashley)
Jesus. Look, if you keep
speaking to her that way, then you won't get the chance
to speak to any of us. Okay. Do you have kids? (Ashley)
No. Are you married? No. We just happen to notice on
your Facebook page, we found that
it says you are married. I was married. We're just trying to find out
more about you, We're trying to
figure out the truth. OK, Nev. Tell us who you are.
So we know, like, what is real and what isn't. I'm just me. (Nev)
How old are you? 24. (Nev)
24. Okay. And you live in Texas. Yes, I do. (Nev)
So if you're 24 now, it means you started these
when you were like-- When did you first start? At 12 years old. Okay, so, your first
fake profile when you were 12. Yeah. (Nev)
Woah, OK. How did you
come across Julisa? 'Cause she's a real person. On Instagram. OK. She's not really
famous. No. We're just friends
on Instagram. You know her personally. On IG, yeah. You have met her
in person. My God. No, we-- we follow
each other. Yes? We know some
of the same people. Uh-huh? That's it. If you break it down
a little slower, I might be able
to understand you even better. OK. You seem... upset. I'm a blunt person. This is my personality. This is how I am. There's a difference
between being blunt and being respectful. You're being very disrespectful. (Ashley)
I'm being respectful. No, you're not. How not? You're being very
disrespectful. You came up here
disrespectful. How? Look how you talking to her. Why she gotta be a bird? Well, buck, buck, bitch. Why she gotta be a bird? (Ashley)
Buck bitch? Yes. 'Cause she's calling you
on your (bleep). OK. Do you have any more
questions, Nev? I'm not talking to
these two right now. There's a side
of your personality that is different than this because you've talked
to Julissa in a different way. Yeah, I can be sweet.
I can be sweet. Did you know that
she was dating someone? (Ashley)
I mean. Yeah, I knew. Did you ever think, like, "I should probably
leave her alone?" Yeah, I did. I got married
and then I got bored. We got the impression from Red, and maybe you have
a different take on it, that there was
a lot of talk, romantic conversation
about being together, getting married. Oh, you may not have meant it
but like-- (Red)
I hope you didn't. I'm not gay. Well, I'm gay as (bleep). Like I'm gay gay. Enjoy that, anyway. (Kamie)
Red, you look like you've got a lot on your mind.
You wanna go talk in the car? Sure. Go on. Leave you two to it. She's hella rude. She's gonna look like
the asshole because she is
a (bleep) asshole. (Red)
I want to knock the
(bleep) out of her. (Antonio)
Hey, Alfred. (Nev)
Who's this? It's Antonio. I heard "Catfish" was in town. (Alfred)
What that gotta
do with you? Why are they here? Get your car, go home. You really
gonna leave? Get your car and go home. Can I talk to you
over there? Why? Five minutes. For what? I can't talk to you here,
everybody's in my business. I don't need that. (crosstalking) (Antonio)
Why are they here? (Nev)
Why don't you go back inside
and I'll (inaudible) by Antonio what
we're doing here. You're Antonio. Yeah. I'm Kamie. (Alfred)
This what I was telling you.
You see what I'm saying? He's probably just jealous. And upset. He's always (bleep)
jealous. That's what
I'm talking about. It is... Alfred's business. But... We're just--
we're here to help. This is a perfect opportunity
to just say-- I told y'all,
I told y'all. But you don't need it
anymore. I told y'all. It's not your responsibility. So why don't you go out there
and let him know how you feel? What you have to say? Why are you bringing
"Catfish" out here, am I not good enough
for you? Why are you trying
to meet somebody that you don't even know? (Alfred)
Look at the (bleep)
you pulling right now. You hear somethin' from Sanford
and you coming at me. (corsstalk) (Antonio)
...For 5 years. 5 years alone to trow away to someone
you don't even know. It's been about you. You don't even know
this person. It be different if
you knew this person, but you don't even know
this person. That's my point. You gon' leave me
over somebody that you don't even know. You damn right I would. That's stupid as hell. That's crazy as (bleep). What you gon do about it? You look dumb as hell. That's fine. You look dumb as hell. OK! You look dumb as hell. OK! And the reason why you can't
find this person is because I'm Adonis, bitch. Yes, I am Adonis. Bitch! (Kamie)
Stop, guys!
No, no, no. (bleep) (Alfred)
Nev, please let me go. Please. Let me go.
Please. Let me go. (Kamie)
It's not worth it. He better be lying, y'all. (Kamie)
It's not worth it. He better be lying. He better be lying! (Nev)
Hold on.
Hold on one second. (Alfred)
He better be lying, bro! (cries) Sit with me. I'm tired of him. Take a sit--
take a sit with me. Nev... Nev, I'm tired. Let's take a second. Alright. He better be-- He better be lying. We're not gonna get anywhere
right now, everyone's upset. Are you OK? Yeah, I'm OK.
That (bleep) is crazy. He's mad at me
because he cheated on me. This is a tumor.
I can't talk. I'ma go. I can't do this. Please get home safely. I am. (Alfred)
I just wanna know,
is he lying? Do you want me
to go ask him that? Please... Just stay here. Find out if he lying,
please. Just wait for me
one second right here. OK? (Kamie)
He said he needs to
leave. Did you talk to him at all? Yeah, I did,
but he doesn't want to. Hey, just really fast. Is it true-- you said
at the very end, right before you started
fighting, that you are Adonis. I am Adonis. That's true? That's true. So you made the profile. Yes. It's been you talking
to him the whole time. Why did you do that? I needed facts. In terms of him,
like, cheating? Cheating on me, talking to
other people behind my back, I needed facts. (Kamie)
Oh, my God. Hi, Nev. Hi. Maritha. Maritha. That's her. Yeah, that's her. Interesting.
Very confused. But hopefully you'll explain
all of it. I will. You got us all really scratching
our heads on this one. Yeah, that's the girl
on the picture. So... this is Maritha
from the photo. How are you? I'm good. (Nev)
So, it's you. It's me. I don't know what to say.
I'm speechless. Oh, sorry, Kamie. Nice to meet you. So-- Yeah. What? OK, I have a whole lot
of questions. Why don't we let you start,
maybe? 'Cause I know you said
you had some stuff you wanted to talk about. I know I seemed
like I was shady, but I'm really who I am. I was just shady because
I had a lot of disappointment in my life when I tried to meet
my family members. Like how Deejaney
blew me off. Like, everybody basically
was just like, "oh, no, we don't want to deal
with you." You know? I never made you
feel like that. From day one when you told me
you was my sister. I just accepted you.
I didn't have no proof. No evidence, no nothing.
And I just accepted you. You did. I opened myself up
to you a whole lot. You did. I'm sorry
if I hurt you. (Nev)
I'm just confused because the video chat thing,
like-- Yeah, why didn't you wanna
video chat? That's weird. Why was it, like-- It never really worked. It wasn't ever really
a good time for me. That's pretty strange behavior. True. I just...
I have a lot going on. I'm always working, so... You know, maybe I did this is
myself for a little while. Just feels like this
is a situation that could have happened a long time ago. Yeah, it could've happened
in San Diego, like. Were you really in San Diego? I was. Did you really leave San Diego? I did. I don't think I was ready. I was-- I wasn't ready. So you made me wait
another year. I wasn't ready. (sighs) This is... This is so crazy, like... Just to confirm,
what's your dad's name? His name is Tommy. (Nev)
OK.
That's your dad's name. Yes. But you have
a different last name. I do. I have my mother's
last name. (Nev)
Got it. Did you always know that
Sparkle's dad was your dad? When I was younger, my mom told me I had
a sister named Sparkle. I've been trying to meet her
for a long time. When I had a MySpace. I went on there
putting in Sparkle (bleep) but nothing ever came up. One day, four years ago, I talked to my uncle He's the one that
gave me her information. So I started talking to her
on Instagram and then we started
talking. Everybody's question is we never heard
anything about other sister. So that's kind of like why at this point,
I feel like we need to do a DNA test. I need to know
for my own self now. (Nev)
We actually looked into that and there is a place nearby
that does these tests. Are you open
to taking a paternity test? No. (Nev)
Why? I don't-- I don't want you
to get hurt. Why you think
I'm going to get hurt? My dad made a statement
before about one of us. So I don't want one of us to get hurt. "About one of us." (Nev)
OK, wait.
Hold on a second. You are in touch
with your dad. I am. Are you suggesting that she may
not be his daughter? That's what you think? Did he tell you that? Yes. Wow. When did your dad
tell that to you? Before you reached out
to her? No. After I reached out
to her. Interesting. Jesus. That's a lot. This is-- yeah. (Jesus)
Who's that? (Kamie)
Oh, wow. Why don't we
come over here? (Jesus)
That's Alexis. So, Nicole. This is Jesus. You are... the person he's been talking to,
is that right? Mm-hmm. (Nev)
OK. So what's been
going on here? Because we got a whole story
from Amanda. Clearly, you're not
the girl-- No, Amanda made
the profile. Wait, Amada made-- Amanda made the profile
years ago, she was doing this
and used to be my best friend. She's not anymore. So you're saying that when
Jesus started talking to Alexis, he was actually
talking to Amanda. 'Cause I dropped her
and I took over. (Nev)
How long have you been
the profile? I was talking to him
a little over a year. So pretty much
the whole time. Yeah. (Nev)
And it was you in
the video chat, right? It was me. OK. So you are the catfish. Who's the girl
in the Alexis profile? (Nicole)
That's my cousin. All of her pictures. Oh, you used pictures
of your cousin. Yes, that's "Alexis." And she knew you were using
her pictures. No, Amanda didn't
tell her that. Amanda befriended her
like a friend, you know, "hey, let's do this
together." I said, OK.
You know, I agreed to-- (Nev)
And what about this
Nicole person? (Nicole)
That's my daughter,
Nicky. (Nev)
You used pictures
of your daughter? Yeah. Does your daughter know
that you're using her pictures? No. (Nev)
What about your
other daughter, Alissa, that you told Jesus about? Yeah. Who's Alissa? That's Amanda's daughter. You said it was
your daughter. Yeah. But don't yell at me. That's Amanda's daughter. Oh, right. Amanda said
you guys got to a big fight 'cause you sent pictures
of her kids to some guy in prison. First of all, she's the one
who gave me the pictures to send to them. Second of all, Amanda-- (Nev)
So, you did send pictures of
her daughter to some-- (Nicole)
To nobody in prison. She was in this the whole time. I don't know what
she's talking about. The bottom line is,
Alexis is not real. You're talking for a year plus to this young man. And the idea
was to make a fake profile to talk to guys to see if you could get them
to give you money? Yeah. Amanda being a total bitch
and I hate her right now. (Nev)
Enough about Amanda. You're the one here
who's telling me that you have been scamming
lots of guys, pretending to be Alexis
and you're the catfish. I'm not gonna say
I'm innocent, but don't make me look like
I'm a (bleep) bad person on (bleep) national TV. I could easily just get up
and walk away and I won't care. So you don't care
about him at all? I care for him as a friend. You guys were saying
"I love you." As a friend. You can't tell a friend
you love him? All right. But you knew that he
was more 'in love' than just like a friend. Yeah, but he was just like
I wanted a friendship. (Kamie)
You have to care
about him if you-- a year is a long time
to talk to anybody. Really? I have to? When nobody give a (bleep)
about you, you don't got to care
about nobody. You don't know my life story. You don't know
what I've been through. I've been through
a lot of (bleep). I've been in the foster care.
I've been adopted. I've been in and out of jail
since I was 11 years old. OK. I've done it
through a lot of (bleep). OK. I've been through a lot.
I've been-- I got my ass dragged
from one end to the other. You don't talk to me at
the end of the (bleep) day? Oh, well, so be it. I'm still gonna be me.
I'm still gonna move on. I'm gonna do me and my kids. And that's the (bleep)
bottom line to it. And if you believe Amanda, then you're (bleep)
dumber than I thought. (Kamie)
Oh, my God. But you lied. (Kamie)
I honestly don't believe
anything that you say. I mean,
what you did is not OK. Take some (bleep)
responsibility for yourself. You realize what you're doing
is really (bleep). I'm done.
I'm done with the situation. I'm done.
I'm going to walk away cause I'm about to cuss
your ass out real quick. So I'm done with this--
I don't want to talk about it. Thank you. Ok, I'm really done. Just let her be. Just let her be, guys. (Joseph)
I got this. You know me? What's your name? Patricia. Patricia? So... why all this? It was not really with malicious intent, it never was. You still played
with emotions (bleep). I mean, I can't force you to believe it, but the feelings
really weren't a lie. Is that the only profile that you ever made
in your life? Yeah. And for you to believe it,
like I said, I'm not going to force you to. But, like... Why put a child
in a situation that wasn't even real? I just want to know,
why would you do that? I did lose a kid myself. A little girl. So, that's real? That's real. I need a minute. I need a minute. Oh, take your minute. (Nev)
Hey, sorry, I didn't-- We wanted to
let you guys talk, but I don't want you to leave
before I get to say hello. What's your name? Patricia. Patricia. This is Kamie. Hi. I'm Nev. I understand
this is a lot, but, but don't walk away from it. So, Patricia. (Patricia)
Yes. From Denver. I am. Okay.
How old are you? I'm 20. You're 20? Yes. So, you-- okay. And when did you start
the Sabrina profile? Four years ago. Okay. So around the time
that you met him was when you first created
the fake page. Was there a reason
initially or...? I've always been, like,
a bigger girl. So I've been bullied all the way
from the time I entered school till almost till I got out. (Nev)
Right. So I was like a sophomore. And then there's this guy
and he's like, "Hey, I think you're
really beautiful." And he had a plan for us
to go to the movies. And I was waiting
and waiting and waiting. And I finally get a text
from him, like, "hey, this was a joke. It was a prank.
It was a bet." So that kind of just
destroyed me, 'cause like why am I someone's
laughing stock, you know? That put me
in a dark place. I just wanted to be called,
like, pretty. So, that's then when
I made that page, I mean, I totally understand
initially doing it just to kind of get some
positive feedback. But at some point,
did it become clear to you
that you could use the profile to lure men in
and then kind of get them to possibly
do things? No, I'm not
that type of person. (Nev)
But at some point
you started asking for money. I've never asked for money. He told us that-- that he did
send you some stuff. Yeah. I'll say. Right. Okay. I understand that. You did. You just, like,
used my kindness. I just don't know what to say. What about the cousin? You have other
fake profiles. I just had those two. (Nev)
Wait, so was
Sabrina one and the cousin? Mm-hmm. So that's fake. That was a fake profile. That was you? Right. (Patricia)
I friend requested him
because he was messaging,
flirting with other friends and there was other females
on Instagram he was flirting with. So... I needed to catch him
in the act. (Nev)
Hard for you to justify. Right. As someone who's been
lying to him, it's a tough
sort of case to make. Right. (Joseph)
What did I ever do to you
for you to impersonate and come back as
someone fake and then (bleep)
with my feelings? Actually, let me just start off
by saying I had a daughter
April 15th, 2015, so I had her and she was just
not developed. She was premature. Right. So we were sitting
in the hospital. So I made Sabrina's page
because I was sitting there kind of like bored
and hoping my daughter would, you know,
make a recovery. So that gave me
something to do. (Nev)
So wait a second. You started the profile while you were
in the hospital... Right. with your daughter. Yes. Yeah. (Nev)
But you just told us a
different version of the story. So I had just went through
this guy, like, making me
his laughing stock. And I was in the hospital with my daughter trying to see
if she has a fighting chance. So we were in the hospital until December and then they unhooked her
from the incubator. She didn't live
past three hours. So... that was like
where it was stained deeper. 'Cause that's
my child, you know. (Kamie)
Now, obviously, like it's impossible not to feel
for you, we all feel for you. But if this story is true
and you're someone who has had
a daughter who passed, how can you fathom
creating that scenario for another woman and her child? I'm not making a pity story.
All I could say is I'm sorry. All the "I love you,"
that wasn't fake. I'm kind of done for the day. All right. Well, look, this is--
this is a big deal. Would you be willing to meet us tomorrow
to see what we can... Come up with tomorrow? OK. (Nev)
Speak to you soon. (Kamie)
That was a lot. (Joseph)
That was intense. Hi. (Nev)
How you doing?
Nev. I'm Jamie. (Kamie)
Kamie. Nice to meet you. (Nev)
Obviously,
you know William. Yeah. (Nev)
Why don't we talk out here,
it's a little dark under there. So what's going on? A lot. (William)
You're Jamie. Yeah. (William)
The whole time
you're Jamie. (Jamie)
But I did tell you in text who I was. And I sent you pictures. You're right. Because we just saw... We just saw it. (Nev)
So when you first met him, were you lying about
the pictures? Yes, I was. OK. So initially you were using
different pictures. You admitted that you
were using wrong pictures and you sent him
the right pictures. (Jamie)
Yeah. (Nev)
Then did you go back
to using fake pictures again? Yeah. Because he kept on not really believing
that that was me. So I said-- like,
in my head, I said I would
go along with it. So that is confusing... (Jamie)
Yeah. For him. I mean... For most people,
I would think they would get it. When I started developing
feelings that I had, I came clean because I felt
it was the right thing to do. Thank you. (laughing) You are the first person you lied about who you were. Then you got into
a relationship. You have feelings for him.
So you told him the truth. (Jamie)
Yeah, it was bothering me. You didn't want
to believe it. I didn't believe. (Nev)
What's up with all the money? Because that's very confusing
to us. I had feelings for him and I just, I just wanted
to help him out. Just because you liked him? 'Cause she loved me. Yeah. And that was just your money? Yeah, I was making
on social media. I mean, I never really had
a really serious relationship. And it was like, if I sent him money,
I would keep him around. And I look at it now
that I shouldn't have done that. But because I couldn't
break how I felt, then I just kept doing it. These other accounts
that I think you created to mess with him
and other girls that he was dating,
was that-- No. (Nev)
Did you not make
any of those accounts? No. But you've contacted Akira. No. I mean, I don't know
what messages you're referring to. "I know where you live." (Jamie)
Yeah. (Nev)
"I want my money back." Yeah, I just said that.
But I didn't actually, like, think it through,
like, I was actually
gonna do that. You didn't try to log
into her Instagram account? No, there's no way
I could have done that. I don't-- I don't
see nobody else doing that. I didn't have a valid reason
to go after Akira. Well, yes, you did.
You... You do, honestly, yeah. ...loved him and have a relationship
with him. And then he started dating
Akira. (Kamie)
I wouldn't blame you
because I would be (bleep)
pissed off, too. I would be like, who the hell
do you think you are? Just, like,
walking all over me. I feel like you're
really judgemental at times. You are. I'm judgemental? Yeah. I don't think
I'm judgemental. I don't judge people. I don't think that's right.
I would not say that to you. So, wait, after you showed him
pictures of yourself, He said, "I'm not attracted
to this girl, she's ugly." (Jamie)
Yeah. That's (bleep). And he said that he didn't find my actual voice
attractive. You said her voice was ugly? I said, I said--
I don't remember. But yeah. You don't have
a lot of memories of a lot of things. 'Cause I tried
to forget. I remember everything. I pretty
much keep all of our convos. I have everything, yeah. That's how much you was
in love with me, huh? (Jamie)
Yeah. You really did love me. What are your feelings
toward William now? I still love him. I do. I think he is
a great person regardless of me feeling hurt. (Nev)
So you would like to still
have a relationship of some kind and obviously you still have
strong feelings for him. Yeah. But he's
in a relationship, so. Do you have any-- What are your feelings
now towards Jamie? I mean, do you want
to still be friends? Well, no. I just feel like
we should go our separate ways, move on from this
because of Akira. She thinks, like, you know, we talk and that I still love her
and care about her, but that's not the case at all. 'Cause I love Akira
and I wouldn't do that. I'm not a cheater. William, if you don't want
to be friends with Jamie, then you also can't be
accepting her money. I know. I apologize.
I'm sorry for... For everything I did or I felt that I hurt you. I apologize for that. I feel the same way. I mean, yeah, I'm sorry I lied
to you about a lot of things. (Nev)
Solo? Solo. (Nev)
OK. B.J.? Yeah. So that's you. (Kamie)
Kamie.
Nice to meet you. (Nev)
Obviously,
you know Danielle. Yeah. (Nev)
When we spoke yesterday,
you mentioned you were going
to maybe come with... Yeah. Devon. Yeah. (Nev)
So he decided not to come. Right. OK. Well, we're all here
very eager to find out what's been going on here. And kind of-- Yeah, like, last two years
it hasn't been me. I told my brother
everything. So he went through
my social media and all that and like, started
talking to her. So I wanted to cleared it up. (Nev)
I'm just curious,
like, you log into his Instagram? I always, like, my phone is
already on, like, my-- is already logged in so
he on my phone some of that and I hear it go to here,
go to here, like, I didn't-- I wasn't question him. So why is your brother
not stepping up to the plate and saying
that it was him this whole time? Yeah, I don't know.
Like. When I talked to him he was on a fret like,
he was like, bro, I don't know what I'm gonna do
with this. Yeah, I did it but I don't wanna go out there. I got a whole family
and all that. But did he think about that when he was talking to her for
the past two and a half years? I don't know 'cause
I just found out. Last minute. (Nev)
But people are going to
find out about this either way. Right? And he's gonna be
in trouble anyway. (Danielle)
I don't believe this. I don't believe this. This isn't true, like, this is who
I've been talking to. Like, you sound like yourself. We sound alike. I don't, I don't--
I don't believe you. If that's the case,
call him. And show-- He won't answer. He don't want, like, I tried to get him
to come here. and clear my name,
you know. So... He... He won't do it. I'm like, damn bro, come on
let me clear my name, bro, with all going on. So I don't care how you feel. He might see it,
they might see, I mean-- Wanna clear my name. I don't wanna do this
no more. (Nev)
You understand
the situation is... strange? Right. Don't you think it's kind
of (bleep), that your brother would
see you had a relationship with a girl and that he would then go behind your back
and sneak and get her
to start messaging him? (indistinct), yes. That just feels
weird to me. Like why? I don't know. I don't--
I don't believe this. I don't believe it. I don't wanna talk
to him no more if he gonna sit there
and lie dead in my face.
Something else is going on. And I don't have to
put up with it. I don't have to put up
with this (bleep). That's what I don't have to do. So you think it was him
the whole time? I think it was him
the whole time. I know you haven't... had any interaction
with her-- First time. In a whi--
right, a few years. Do you still feel
like any kind of like, friendship with her? Do you feel any connection
to her? Yeah. I feel a connection And I came here
to clear things up. You were right to say if you have a brother,
then call him. He might not answer
our phone calls. But why would he not answer
his brother phone calls? If he not gonna call
his brother I don't wanna say nothing
to him. Let's get him to call him. That's the least he can do. (Nev)
You never lied. Right. About anything, right? You were friends with her
from Instagram. And then you stopped
talking and then that was it for you. There's something else. What do you mean? I don't have to put
with this (bleep). Does not make (bleep) sense. What's this, something else? (Kamie)
Something is not right. Why don't you just tell us
what's going on? (B.J.)
Basically, yesterday, I kind of like, I kind of
panicked, you feel me? I panicked. to give me leeway, Give me leeway to take
the pressure on me. Know what I'm sayin'? (Nev)
Wow. This is now
a whole new story. Yeah. (Nev)
Not what you just said. To be clear, the only person Danielle
has been talking to the whole time
has been you. Yes. (Nev)
OK. Do you have a brother? I have a brother, yeah. But he has nothing
to do with this. He got none to do with it. And he's married. Yeah, that's true. With kids. And you threw him
under the bus. Why would you
even play like that? I panicked. and I didn't wanna... Have a confrontation. (Nev)
So the real reason
that you encouraged her
to come to South Carolina and then decided not to meet her
was just because, what? You were nervous? I wanted you to come, but I never will go through with it. (scoffs) Yeah. It wasn't the place
for you to come. Why? 'Cause, like, I didn't have a thing
to show you. So that's a big lie. I got insecure
and that's mine. The laundry mat thing. I said it to
keep her around. (Danielle)
Wait, wait, wait. What made you think
that that will be something that would have been
a big deal? (Nev)
Danielle, were you
particularly interested in his money or something? (Danielle)
No. I felt like if I said
I had those things that she would be still fond of me. I felt bad But not bad enough to
show up. (Nev)
Couldn't you at least sent
a text that said, "oh, (bleep) I just got called
on a job," just to let her know. So she doesn't fly
all the way down there. Like, you didn't realize
that you didn't have it together before I came down here? No, no, I have it together. Know what I'm sayin'?
Just average Joe, you feel me? I'm upcoming,
know what I'm saying? I have it together. Is that everything I told you,
that wasn't it. And once you see that,
I thought you weren't-- You'd be turned off,
know what I'm sayin'? I don't understand
why you lie. You didn't even have to make it
seem like it was something else. I felt like I did. (Nev)
I just really want
to lay it all out there. What's true and what things
have or aren't true that she doesn't know
are lies? Can you kind of
just clear the air? Everything is a lie. You're a liar. Everything is not a lie. Me living an extravagant
lifestyle, traveling, all that,
that's a lie. Everything else, how
I feel that's not a lie. I said things
to keep you around. I don't even have all
the things that you're trying to tell me
that you have. (Kamie)
Were you just waiting for
the right opportunity until the business grew and you had all
these things? Yeah. I didn't want
to be like this. (Kamie)
Why not Facetime? Yeah, why couldn't you
Facetime? Because I felt like
she's gonna see my lifestly. Yeah, but you could've just
been at (bleep) Burger King, having lunch. Yeah, but sometimes,
like I said, I'm out of town when I'm not in town
she tried to Facetime me. I wouldn't do it. Here's the (bleep) thing. The truth...
isn't even that bad. Like, the fact
that you embellished your lifestyle a little bit. Pretty insignificant
in the big picture of things. What's really (bleep)
is that you wasted her emotional time
and energy. I know, but I'm here
to come clear. I'm here to let you know,
that I'm coming clean. I want to go forward. Forward how? I want to hopefully keep our relationship. You want me to go ahead
and let go of everything? I don't know.
What you told me is true. That was the biggest lie. Everything else,
I told the truth. I have no kids.
I'm single. I'm a bachelor.
That's the truth. It didn't have to be
like this. You could have told me
eventually, you could have even
phased it out. I'm telling you now. Thank you. So you're (indistinct). That's... That's crazy. Thank you for agreeing
to meet us. Just to be very clear, you've been talking to Dejean. Yeah. (Nev)
What's your name? My real name is
Gervaise. Sydney, who we met yesterday,
is that your cousin? Yeah. Are you alright? Yes, I'm OK. Overwhelming. (Man)
Yeah. 21 months down the drain. I didn't know
who you were. Got a whole bunch
of questions. (Nev)
Can we just get your stats? Are you 30? Yeah, I'm 30. And do you have a son? No. Do you have any children? No. (Nev)
OK. Wow. Have you ever ran
into Dejean before? Because you guys live
really close to each other. No. (Dejean)
What happened? Why did you (indistinct)
for me? Man, for one time just-- just, just be real. I didn't even-- like, this is not
intentional. It just happened, I guess. In the beginning
it was a game. I was fishing one day
on PLF and some type way, just that
it was necessarily you. I was fishing for. It just happened. And over the years,
you know, we've just grown to be close, I guess. You had me
believing in this. In a whole nother woman. No, I heard you looking
at a whole other woman, but the woman that you talked
to everyday is me. Why use somebody else's
photos? you're an attractive woman,
you have beautiful eyes. Why not use pictures
of yourself? When you're behind
that person, you can do
and you can be and you can create
the image that you want to portray
to somebody else. because I already know how
I've been tormented in my past. You know what I'm sayin',
I know how I've been judged. Caché Hubley might be a little bit better
than my real person. When did you first start
making a fake profile? I've been fishing
since before catfish was
really catfish. Like, the chat lines,
the phone chat lines, and stuff like that. It was like an outlet. How many profiles
have you had? Ain't no telling. (Dejean)
I was so caught up
in Caché that, like, a couple months ago, went and purchased an engagement ring. I was that serious. (Nev)
Because you guys
talked about starting a life together. Yeah. I forked over a lot of money
for that damn ring. Thinking that
I found... my one. I'm sorry, Dejean. I'm sorry. I care about you. Like, I really... I care about you. I didn't want to hurt you.
OK? I can't do nothing
but stand here as a woman, as me, and apologize and hope
that you can still... Try to start over as friends.
You know. I need some air, real quick. This is a bit much,
bit much. Uh-oh. (kamie)
Is that him? (Woman)
I can't believe it. (Nev)
It's him. Wow. Jaquan. (Woman)
Oh, my God. What happened, we hadn't heard from you
for a couple hours. (Jaquan)
Yeah. (Woman)
Oh my God. I'm a little nervous,
for real. Something new,
new experience for me. (Woman)
(inaudible) Jaquan, that's your name. Yes. (kamie)
Aliyah,
you want to join us? Yeah. (Nev)
We're confused.
I mean, because you did get her texts. (Aliyah)
What's been going on? What took you so long today? I kind of didn't want
to do the show to be honest. I didn't want to meet
like this, honestly. That's kind of
embarrassing for me. (Nev)
OK, fine. But it would have never come
to this if you had just even like,
Facetime with her. Yeah. (Nev)
Right? (Jaquan)
See, like, it took me a big chance to even
get on the phone with her in the first place.
I don't even talk on the phone. But you haven't sent her
any pictures. At first,
I didn't take it serious. And then she was telling me
that she was a virgin. To me,
I'm a good guy. I wouldn't want to take
no girl virginity and not be with the girl. (Nev)
So you felt
like she got serious. And you guys obviously live
on other sides of the country. You weren't sure how--
where it was me go. But from what you told us, it seemed like you guys
were in a relationship. You said you loved her
and she said she loved you. She was willing
to get on a flight. I don't get it. I wanted to meet her.
But that is a big step for me. I was kind of nervous. I'm insecure in person. She wanted to see me so bad.
I would just say, yeah. But when it came down to it,
I would make an excuse. Like, I got to work
or somthing. Or I ain't got the money. I hear you're saying this just puts
so much mystery around you. Why did you delete your
Instagram? Oh, my brother did that. So he's at Park Heights. Oh, yeah,
that's my brother. That's your brother. And he blocked us because
you didn't want to do the show. He was kind of placed up
my head too, 'cause he was more skeptical,
at first. Skeptical of her? Yeah, pretty much. We found a Facebook page
that you use, I guess. And she didn't know
you had a Facebook page. But on the Facebook page,
you're very flirtatious. You were definitely
talking to girls on Facebook. I was, I was just doing it
for fun, basically. You like sex. And then when we seeing was
like, racing, you know. (Kamie)
Jaquan in real life is supposed to be in
a relationship with Aliyah. When you're out and about and somebody were to ask you, do you have a girlfriend,
do you say yes? Would I say yes if somebody were to ask me
if I have a girlfriend. If you gotta think about it,
it's fine. Yes. Because I really do
love the girl. Don't get me wrong. I really don't
show my feelings. And so I know, like,
it's (indistinct). I was scared to get my heart
broke, if that make sense. I can't-- when I wanted to meet her,
I can't do that on my own. That was a big step for me. I was kind of nervous. I'm insecure in person.
I know, I, like-- Hey, Miranda. (Nev)
Gemini. Here she is, Miranda
aka... (Kamie)
Danielle. Danielle, actually.
Thanks for coming. <i> We're here to give you an
opportunity to</i> get some closure
to this whole thing. Why did you do it
in the first place? What is-- what
was you looking for? Nothing from you. The hell? Well, did you have feelings? No, no--
he's a great guy. He's just got, you know,
issues. What you think you get? I'm just saying,
you're a great guy, you're a great friend. It happened.
It was a joke. (Man)<i>
How you mean it was a joke?</i> <i> Seven years?</i> <i> Ain't nobody find it funny
but you.</i> We came here today 'cause
I want to make amends. I've done that, so... can I go now? No, I think he had
a question. I'm not answering him 'cause it's gonna get heated
between us. You know, I don't even care no more, you selfish, you don't even care
about nobody but yourself. (Nev)
He's upset, obviously, and I think it's justified. (indistinct) That's a wrap. (Nev)
Let me quickly just talk
to Gemini, I'm gonna take him inside
for a second. Please do. I'll cool him off
and then we'll come back out. (Miranda)
I'm not doing it
this time If we gonna do that then
I'll go back to the crib. I don't know
what you're expecting. We got as much from that conversation
as we're going to get. You guys can just be here. if you could. I just want to get this
over with. I don't care no more. (Nev)
All right. I'm gonna go get her. I'll bring her in.
I'll be right back. He's in there. Calm down. Why don't we go in there and we can try this again. (Miranda)
Oh, Lord. Oh, damn. No, no, no, no. (Kamie)
They love you
and care about you. (Nev)
As you can see, we brought people here
from your life. It's an intervention. Yes. Kind of. You set me up. That's how interventions
work. (Nev)
Let's have a sit. So, call it whatever you want. I care about you as a person who exists right now. }Obviously, you need to stop
the catfishing. But maybe, before
you can do that, you need to realize
that there are people, specifically these two
who you've known a long time, who... want you to be happy
and be honest and live a life
that's fulfilling and rewarding. We're here.
We want to how you feel. And we want to be helpful,
if we can. (Woman)
I love you, but I'm not finna sit here
and applaud your (bleep). 'Cause I know
you're better than this. The whole point of being
on this show is for these people
to get their answers. Not for you to come in here
and make this a joke and act like
this isn't hurting them. And like you're just
completely deep down OK with what you're doing
to these people. What about your real life? not this person
you're pretending to be. All this effort you putting
in all these lies, you could put it into
finding yourself a real husband, not one that
you got to lie about. Yeah, the smile's gone now,
isn't it? And that's coming from me,
your big sister, who actually loves you
and cares about the real you, not this person
you're pretending to be because it's not okay. (Gemini)
It's crazy. All I'm asking is why,
why you couldn't be yourself? That's one question,
he's just asking one. It was a joke.
I'm sorry but-- (Sister)
It's not a joke. You wasted seven years
of this young man's life. I'm not doing this. Hold on, hold on. (Miranda)
I'm not doing this
(bleep)! I'm not doing this.
