Capt Joe Awuni (Rtd)- insist JJ Rawlings is responsible for the atrocities during the 1981 coup

[Music] welcome to the I will show once again we want to say a big thank you to all our viewers and our followers all around the world last week we had a splendid interview with one of the captains within the military during the Revolution of 1981 that was Captain Bubba a Winnie he was splendid with his answers to some of the questions that were were given to him um however most of the viewers stood poised quite a difficult threshold in terms of flame now the true colours and answers to some of the things that happen during those days I mean they believe that captain was a very clear with certain answers it was therefore necessary for me to bring captain back to the studio welcome again captain to the studio thank you very much it was amazing speaking to the roster but a lot of our viewers believe that you are withholding certain information from them and we are going to go through some of them okay so if you don't mind we spoke about Asha fort prison right you do some the people the the Army believing that you have Nevada Buddha and that was the end of the story it didn't stop there no you escorted probably compromise with a whole lot of them to Asha for prison what happened after that right so in the process of trying to complete my task our supposed to have reported back to the chairman right that's a dear Rollins right and before I could even get to him everything turn round round round round in the sense that I wasn't given a chance to go back to him okay and tell him I had finished my my task and therefore you know you should let me know what was going to in the next move hmm because he had told me that after disarming them and release another Booker to them that would be the end of story but I didn't think that I should just leave them like that I needed to go back and tell him I completed that okay and by the close of the day all the drama attending to arriving at OSHA for now what happened was when we left one demerit and we have been told that we had to go to one brigade headquarters which we dissertation where has been renamed we've got to one brigade headquarters and we kept over there for about three to four hours and then the next information we had was that we were to be sent to first Battalion guardroom federal telling us a Tama ok Michelle from and I really confused us because one of the questions I asked the chairman before live in a castle Baretta Booga was whether I was supposed to kill them the guardroom until further notice or report back to him and he told it categorically that there was not a night guard room I should have put him in the guard room and that was the reason why that night disbanded corporal Brahmas quarter okay right so I didn't understand why we had to go to one being guard room mm-hm but at the time I had no choice I couldn't argue my way out what I had to do was meet the Chairman and find out what the reason was or what his next move was now mediator was with us at this time and it was difficult for me to take certain actions without referring to him definitely yeah so as we're living now though we left one brigade headquarters for Tama and on the way we had just entered the station and the convoy was stopped and we're told that gesina so test eligibility because at least we're gonna get a breakthrough so in the convoy turn around the convoy was made up of two or three armored cars and then the vapor that we weigh in we turn around and are super heading to us the castle the convoy turn onto the Ring Road and that confused us a little bit but we had escorts and we ended up in the Army Headquarters mm-hm those days to us in the black Devils now Jubilee house and we stayed there for about an hour so an eye on how and we're not being told anything and after the iron half what we were told was that we were being sent to OSHA for now there was a lot of confusion because I had said to them lads there was nothing like God do nothing like prison all right at any point did you feel betrayed there and did you also feel that you betrayed them especially your tribes name well I this time I wasn't looking at it like there was a Java issue but I thought I was betrayed when I wasn't allowed to release a double get to them that was the first point because I wasn't aware of materiality getting involved at all until I was told that I wasn't going to otherwise I'm going to be released to me after I disarmed them so that was the first time okay so now you go to a Shafaat prison before we go there before you go there no sir you are there yes because we spoke about that story the last time so you got there you managed to get out again you remember you met Rogers at the castle where you had that confrontation with that Force Commander I think you've jumped it all right yes because that that was the in nothing so by the evening I was not in I support with a the soldiers okay yeah and we started getting assigned to cells so my director was supposed to be in say wrong with me okay and the others were given a cell each all right then just as I are giving my weapon to a soldier and also who was waiting outside and I knew you awesome the Chairman's side of you know the in the issues then decided you know arguing among themselves that if I got in then we're all going to be locked down and nobody could you know chase up the issues so they came back to me and the rest actually write to me that I shouldn't come in I should wait talked to Rollins before you know coming back to to the cells okay so the agreement was that I was going to stay out that day that give name and then the next morning speak with the Rollins mm-hm and and find out the next move and then get back because I promised them that I was gonna do there with them and now Vijay Yasha was in there with them so I didn't see how I was gonna stay out so that didn't mean I had to leave there and go to MMS where I had a quarter but there were those curfew at a time so by the time I was given a lift to uh me I'm a mess it was almost six o'clock so I didn't have to dare go out that means you never slept at no actually not it okay at this point did you feel that you betrayed the more you thought that was a turning point for you to be out and defend big son of the idea okay big time because at the time the whole scope was started mm-hmm I was the only one who had a weapon they were harmless I had I had disarmed oh yeah you know so I was alone when a weapon on me all that time okay and I thought I had been betrayed because it wasn't part of the deal and now seeing them and telling them that you know that was good relief to them and that you know all that process I told them the truth what I had been told only to realize at the end that this was what it was and so now I live in them in the or shock forth and going how long did they steal oh they were dead - June 19th okay you had the opportunity this is where I'm trying to you have opportunity to meet Rollins yes one on one and then you had one Force commander yes clean clean clean remember that encounter he told you if you stand up you are still Graham and you try to nail this it's about yes after that point you were then sent into a room where you room was poisoned yes right yes what happened to them did they is it at this point did you what was it I want to know what happened to them because for my last interview we didn't know what happened to them okay they were all in there they were all in the mega actor was released after a few months I'm not exactly sure why was he there for that long me logic well he shouldn't even have been there one day yes but he was the case where he am I said categorically to these young men that were good to be with them okay you know you didn't sleep there now he's there with an idea with us so that is a good deal it wasn't a good deal how could you look good because you didn't sleep there by this point you've left him to be with them so in the world's a good deal for them that doesn't make sense because where they can trust you even the major is rhythm and you are out now defending on the offense yes so it is a good deal in some respect for them there wasn't any good deal over here okay because I felt betrayed and I would have rather wished to be in there with them all of you wished yes who was going to take DVD Affairs outside well that was another issue but you see the fact is that I did not tell them I wanted to stay out to do that now if they hadn't mentioned that they wanted me to be out to do that which was to answer some some of their anxieties I would have been in there with him I wasn't going to suggest go out what happened to them well after you encountered the the prison head of Prisons and he said you can't go near any prison what happened to them with with media a well they were kept in there I mean the next day what I did was I mean the reason I bought today the prison director who was apart from joining them are going to get some toiletries for them yeah you know and left messages for their families that they were okay those days within a mobile phone so okay you physically had to talk to them better okay so that's what I did now I was going back with the toiletries and they would not let me in and they would not collect the stuff that's when I go to the director of business and he collected items for me to deliver them to them so from the November until June 19th they were in the the way no support no comma Carly there was no way I wasn't allowed in a way which when you do not do you notice that well we might know mother didn't you feel under pressure and in any circumstance because you've probably let these guys they were at Gander barracks doing fine you went to them give them a command for them to be no surrender weapons and they gave it you were to give at the burger back you partially you did that because it took you some time and I'm glad you've let them believe in that they are going to see violence maybe we will die in ology today we know that now you've let them into a prison yes and you just go around you know my duties what you know though I feel that what happening like what it's like getting them out yes what happened well I mean you know it's more or less your best friends because you had to be seen as yeah jr. Jesus maybe at the point in Portales because you came you they believed in you they believed you and they said listen don't be stay in here be the priest too much for that you shouldn't stay in with them now we're out and then we went about to do your normal works yes but you must remember that I was still in service I was a trading officer in the jungle Facebook I also had to carry on with my my duties and I had to do what my commander you know told me okay nobody was you know my commander are to give me instruction I had to carry those out what are the things that I was told was not to even step in a crowd without going through the Emir Cortez and so going with me in a residence was a low low but in the process I was still trying to get to Rollins to talk to him but every time I was bounced off you know lying by him by Rollins he refused to see refused to talk to me about it in this sense because he said you can learn a lot talk on the radio or tell the removable so you had to physically go there yes but we rejected by somebody because before you see well is you would have approached the castle yourself yes so when we restricted in gaining I was restricted I was protected I mean there were times when I would go there who thinking that he was there but I would not be allowed to see him you know which was very different from what it used to be the previous times when they were you know jobs to be done you know with life's at stake that one I remember even going to start all this helicopter had to be sent to fetch me from what was so special about you that Rollins took so much interest in you as a captain I said I asked that the last time um you didn't get caned answer on that what was so special about you but this is this is a very difficult question to answer what well I I don't know what you are thinking I said that you know like come over but you will know you know you would have that because I've read it's very difficult to get information about you but everybody that I've come across in that's spoken to has said good things about you you were quite strong prominent influential so if you don't know all these things about yourself it's to be doubted nothing like that because you were to layer to Ellen's or to sitting on the head of you know like millions and and force command isn't and that they took particular interest because they would have probably seen some of the good works you did you act a chancy so how did chairman get to know about you oh I don't know of question was there yeah I mean okay so some of us were drafted when I saved after the way past you'd perform certain duties you see I'm I'm trying hard not to say that I was a good officer because the way I learn good off says but I in the seat with me yes unless just focus on that because when you are good do good it just baffles I mean if I'm watching this program home and just asking myself what is so special about this man for chairman Mullins to take particular interest no there are a lot of people that tried before you to design these people and they couldn't you have treated special nobody they just call you a major we just call you the captain can you come to a car no you were for me to like a so by helicopter then you were instructed to go and do and you did it successfully yeah so there should be something particular about you at the time well what I know is that I was not drafted into the Army I left school and I said I was joining the army and I was going to defend my country and whatever we so I always committed myself to it in test I was given okay I mean I would never say oh this is beyond me the only time out probably say something is that if you give me a job that required a higher ranking person to do it mm-hm you know then I would have a problem you know with that I will make a comment you know but to give me a task by a superior officer I just wanna have to do it did you just feel lucky for for being one of the captains you said there were a lot probably you know just a good one so when I am yeah I don't know what others were involved in you know a nobody when the bounty well apart from my training the jungle warfare school was to do with other other special duties that I was assigned like went well I organized a you know food evacuations from the eastern region to Accra a cow was very hungry at the setting point okay and we did a lot of it you know on that I let this campaign you know auntie cholera campaign so villages and towns in the eastern region we made them dig pit latrines a lot of that because I mean digging pit latrines we didn't need excavators you know the landing people themselves did it yeah and we organized that and each one each each village or it turned over when we give them two weeks I mean and then when it came to training I was very committed you know to doing what hours I was trained and you know I was trained to do and maybe that endeared me to some some people not only obsessed not only my my superiors but even with liquid sou that I adopted because I always you know felt and I always thought that it was good to respect the guys that you're working with as a practicum and I was ill officer in a platoon of 31 men so if I wanted to keep on showing off like yeah I'm the officer the tech one man could do it you seem to be more in several cases like the food the food source enough food and big enough collection so there were no times you were ever involved in any critical assignment dealing with kill him no no well maybe I mean there were certain you know incident that I was required to to sort out and when I say sort out to investigate and lt and deal with now there were not no points but we had to open fire on anybody so I would not say that it was may get involved in any you know firing issue okay so you never killed anybody during this regime no you are such a ninja no but how did a group of over 400 people have 400 have Asia yes I know at gonna burn yes yes serving in the group there were thirty seventy where to these years okay yes and you been quite you know I'm I'm just quite curious as to how you were instructed with boots dig latrines source enough food for people and all of a sudden who cuts in our knee going design them cants fit for purpose no no you asked me saw the things that I did and I'm just giving you example so what are some of the things you did I cite the several things you did is our enemy well specialist our minds are left in the bars isn't it okay so did you kill anybody I didn't move on to that I'll tell me you are finally so now what happened to these guys again to get video or less because I want to be clear with that so they were in there to do 19 okay when deal was broken obviously those of the way in there had to be released from outside hmm I wasn't aware of that at all okay so I wasn't ours and part of that where were you a detective I was in Accra okay I'm actually in MMS look you know we just opposite 37 okay when the first two bombs dropped you know and when that happened I thought this wasn't good for me you know to be in our craft when something like that was happening why because I was always associated with attempted you know cuckoos yes that is quite strange isn't it invulnerable man quiet a captain cool and all of a sudden you you you you always associated and a fleet I would attend Ted Cruz if he's not a strange well a to be strange if you're on the other side otherwise then I should have been given the chance to complete my task but what had happened was not you know keeping the the soldiers in there you know was seen as something that I was very unhappy about and therefore I would find in a way to redress that sort of issue so even though I wasn't allowed to go near them and they couldn't get the commanders to talk to me you found out that it was always an issue that I was associated with anything which was an attempt because they attempt to be against channel the PN DC government and therefore it will be supporting anybody or everybody else when you add the term of this job rake consent yourself in terms of leading them and were you thinking let's say they take over government we'll be in trouble yes you were concerned that time I was okay cause now I was Sunday on the fence I mean the PM busy government wasn't giving me the chance it was like I was being pushed aside and then here were these guys that I had put in detention and probably walk him around you know doing my own things mm-hmm how we did you know that I was you know seeking your interest how I did to know it was a concern but you know unless somehow they got information they will be thinking I I played a trick on them that's how it was going to look like so what were you thinking anyway no runaway but not being in that location so what are you planning to do get my should get to get back to my unit a chance yes why particular so that's where I belong you go home well suppose I say you were trying to escape them I wasn't trying to escape I was trying to get back to my units but you never prayed so at this point what was your central night should they take over or you wanted pea and easy to stay involved I did at that very point all three of my know who would you wish to have Stephen taking over I can't imagine anybody who goes in second star sliders ain't no one at all you know depending on who leave the the code you are on the fence then I was on the so if you were to fight with them yes who are you going to fight for or against Oh our team up with these guys again against the government okay yes hold up okay I trust you on that yes you were given refuge by Rowland's at a castle he slept you almost poisoned yes or do you don't know who it was if but was there anything else that happened during your stay at a castle that you didn't disclose um what I had been dead twice that was the second time I was actually being captivated like it was a close arrest stay there till the next day okay and the previous time there was a situation that that actually happened and Rollins are taking me into this room to say that I had to stay there till the next morning so I get into their room and it was empty empty bed but a bed late so I went and just sat down on the bed for a while and I decided to relax but I had picked the magazine from from outside from the recession Reader's Digest you know which I hadn't seen for a long while so I kept that then I took it into their room so I was lying there just thinking about what was happening then I felt the door being open so I got up went and you know open the door you know there was the main door and then a flight proof though hoooly must be - yes and that was the one that I had light so I had someone someone you know talk about it so I opened the door and that was have been like I opened that - and Rollins was was they he came in he came into the room and went straight to the air conditioner and turn you on you know and walked out and I thought hey a guy likes me so I talked about the windows are open and windows open to the Gulf of Guinea I mean a lot of fresh air coming and then they are conditioner on so what I did was that I shut the window you know I said a window and went and lay down and I thought gentlemen leave the door he could come back and tell me over I don't know so I lay down there with a magazine with a magazine that was reading because there was light coming from the top the back of it of the wall so I could read that and all of a sudden I thought I had the door open again so what I did was this way to see who was coming in this time because not the door was opening and in today mr. quill educator and he had a full day ladies and he always worked like that and then the right arm was under the folder so if he was like this and I thought it's a bit strange and then he said oh you're not asleep I said no sir is they are ok then he walked out so I live there for what I thought was about a minute or so and then I jumped up I thought wait a minute what is going on over here so I went ten of their conditioner open the windows push the bed against the door said now nobody's gonna come in I looked outside or through the window and those were there rocks down there there was no way I was going to you know jump onto those rocks so I tied the blanket and the bedsheet to see how far that could go and I realized though if I had to use that that I was going to be in trouble so now let me stay in there later so I did that yes stayed in so you know they're broke and I came out and when I did I saw if you suggest our own and everybody was looking at me like ours at boosts you know that is when he started drawing on me that what happened the previous night wasn't for nothing there was probably something being planned I don't know did you see again I didn't kikuchi Canton never have it again no I mean we had a folder on him later and then the right I was up early the folder you never saw a grown up I didn't see it and if it was Sager maybe it was the pisser but not not a rifle so he had a pistol I'm not saying that he had I'm just saying that you lose and we never saw anything as you know nothing I don't know okay you are back at inside prison right you're taking about your own prison that's right okay and who did you say was we doing the same so you were you were with to grab Johnson yeah sure and and some in the same cell on the same clock in the Johnson was there with their table Johnson I should call him doctor they were on the block by in the cell itself I heard Chris Asha then I had a mic IJ then I had gublin is in yellow blue I can remind his first name then there was a one of my mates you know captain bimbo than me and somebody else okay on your abilities are in prison you almost healed as here in the way because everybody was looking up to you yes I came in very convenient back to the same question he was just an ordinary captain who had heard instructions why did they believe you could take over or help overthrow the government so that they can be released why did you think that was a huge news at this hour imprison well means would travel in all sorts of ways and if I had made an attempt it was likely however I succeeded if I had because of the the situation that way why didn't you ever try I was being loyal to to the country the country is blower to the country yes I mean we don't want that kind of situation and in any situation like that you can be sure that there is good to be a lot of budget but then the a lot of people died yes so who are you trying to be loyal to were you trying to be loyal to the Chairman why did the country because nobody work here you were almost killed and I had opportunity and so why didn't you take it okay the other thing was I hadn't prepared myself for that you know at the time that I was called in you hadn't prepared myself I was gonna do it it's not a matter of saying that you're going you'll be reckless to just get up and say I'm going to do this you need to plan to know who are going to collaborate to do and so on you need you need a lot of planning in that and I had him plant that because it was never in my thoughts to say I was good to do something like that now maybe out of desperation something could have happened and it was you know it almost did at the time who were in Gunda Adamas yes this is almost it it almost yes why didn't it happen who stopped it again we had to stop it and but we're not sure of the the enemy because of where we were there was no information coming so you couldn't just say that you were going to stop firing because the place had been surrounded this time with armored cars and there was a jet flying over so with all of that if you go and do something foolhardy then it means you yes it is not stupid so we hadn't planned anything the only thing that could have happened if somebody had opened fire on us then in the process of returning fire nobody that said in his interview then you were ready to fight yes you had been betrayed yes at this point I promise as given before that because Chema had lied to you yes you might still not convinced that this was the time exactly what I'm saying that you need you need to have prepare for it so if you at condor barracks were not sufficient to probably lead well if if we had planned it if we had thought about it and planted even with the 2-3 hours of planning in the situation that way it probably would have wet but we hadn't planned anything and you don't want to go into a situation like that when you have a plan you guys to get be suicidal but to say that I was ready to five years because at the time anybody opening fire on us would have had fire attend you know we couldn't press the trigger first because we were not sure the size of the energy the inertia of the size of them where was the cat appeared attacked it wasn't written well the only influence in your decision that's not to fight no no no okay when we are done with that segment we are going to the judges you discover the bodies I was one of those you yeah one of those will discover the bodies and it was a horrific thing I'm sure you've had you heard about it and you were probably surprised as to what happened today but you had an opportunity to speak to I'm not sure again when the car was there within in in someone prison who was the jungle gender I'm doing I think Signum suntico here yes the narrative stories to you some clearly declare their innocence in that obviously they pointed out that America because it is Ibrahim Rollins cha Chi su casa or not not watch Marilyn's who probably might know who killed those judges I know you were not part of it your audience by chance go to witness the scene who do you believe probably were involved and it have after speaking to some of these complicit in the in the crime well they the person they were pointing the apartment that was America he was the leader of that group right and he had been given the task they were he gets India instructions from him so he never told them where the in sizes were coming from all they told me but I know that because I ha you know actually interrogated them over and over and over again you know even before I got there so he probably has a full book on that but with the John do he told me that he he had nothing to do with it he was only dragged in there because America called him and nothing to come or they wouldn't do some small operation and then he could he got there and they went and picked up he didn't even know that that's what he said he didn't even know them so they must have brain it's a bit difficult if if I say something is right okay maybe I think this person or that person but do not be fair to point at somebody and say this was you know this is the the person behind it those dollar killed did you believe the way in the same yes I didn't think you mean the three judges and yeah none of them deserve today none of them what what did they do apart from doing their jobs what did they do didn't deserve to die at all and I think that you know assess cannot be shoot in a way you have to we have to look for those answers whatever it takes to go at the answers to be good because three judges and a female amongst them to develop a science and and they they retire captain whatever he did he was only doing his job he didn't kill anybody so it was completely wrong they did not is there to die did you know that the woman the lady judge was actually breastfeeding at the time yes we had we heard of that do you know that there was a six-month baby involved we heard of that okay there'll be more surprises coming right yeah okay okay you could not offend someone prison and you were made redundant you retired or retired on the same day on the same day without any notice any justification because you were heading to a chassis from Timah you had two news you were to go and get a pass and there you go you found yourself in December you are not the only one made you know redundant or retired from the army a lot of top top officials was it fair to talk about fairness in this how could it have been fair it was no fair at all and it was some selfishness on songs some people's part to have retired you know that many of this if you ask any of them if you ask any of those who were retiring that's the sort of situation you see that there was no justification in fact that situation is like causing a serious financial loss to the states because like that time they suppose process that you follow to get somebody retired in my case well I don't know it no I stole my services were no longer required that was what was written in on my my sheet services no longer required whatever was the case nobody said what I had done yes said service is no longer required and a lot of others were made to even abandon everything of this the abundant families Simeon says Magus lifting antennas and so on were all just through an outliner I mean now it's still young so I could do things like I came to - to the UK I could still do this but there were senior says here who could do nothing they couldn't do what we could do I started as a god and I was being promoted because just at one point when I said I was a captain I I lost a job they do not give it to me at all so after that I had to hold back on my CV you know and then rose up to that the point I'm making is that a lot of them maybe 90% I haven't got the real figures but to say 90% of senior says we just kicked out like that with no reason messenger lives up and nobody's saying anything it has affected they cannot Armed Forces you really want to go to the retired of such a club a meeting day and you see all these brains sitting there every time I've gone for that meeting I sit at the back and I'm just admiring these synopsis sitting right in front of me whose lives were sort of wasted because they all join because they wanted to be soldiers they wanted to serve in the Armed Forces and somebody just can't you know there are their lives like that so there's no justification up-to-date have you received any entitlement because I'm sure when you retire there regardless of what age you are there are some oh okay yes so the conditions that I was retired on and tackled me too my pension so I did not go for anything until I return to Ghana in 2006 I told you went back there the first time 2001 and I kept going with you know resigned from my job over in 2003 about 2007 or 2006 to 8 was when I was told oh you're entitled to your pension and of course when I read that sheet of paper he says yes I was Italian - my pension so I know how to start processing that and and so since about three four years ago they have been you know kids on some pension how much risky I mean immersion that is a quite substantial no it's enough to get you in my field for a month that is bad you are now out of the army yeah what make you what did you get out of the country gather one of the issues are faced was the continual suspicion right that I could do something because it was still fresh I mean so I decided to stay in Tama were not comfortable with that my family you know they were always worried mmm so I am moved to Akuma name I don't even know my name near kitty I had some friends over there okay so I decided to go and stay you know and in the push a little bit mm-hmm and I enjoy if I was missing the jungle so I went I went over there for a while okay and every time I go to Accra there was one piece of news or the other yeah that I was in there out out in the jungle training gorillas yeah you know which of course wasn't true so at a point the whole idea was tried to leave and then I got told I couldn't travel no good the country and I was asking why no one would tell me anything eventually I was told that the chairman said I should not leave you were the one who give the orders I thought I was a bit odd you're not giving me a job here and then you are currently the country then I got told that I was to be appointed the assistant secretary for fuel a power those days that was the ministry fuel and power and I thought wait a minute I haven't been trained for that I would not know what to do inside it you listen I'll be happy with good fuel and power is to supply myself and my friend but what to organize I wouldn't know and I thought it was actually a setup you know then I will pull somewhere and then be messed up you know because the first time I managed to escape by this time we might not be sued that's what I thought okay so I spoke with a couple of friends and they told me I should stay clear of that so the alternative was to leave the country and that's what that's what I did some time I think it was February also looking February of 80 84 okay yeah Wow you managed to no get to the UK yes you decided to go back from the provisions of you it appeared that oh I wanted to go back so I met Chad steerer he wanted arms I wanted to get back to my country was that removal happened well it was him I won't say yeah I would say to some extent yes that's what was happening but I also had other interests what the interest was to get back to the country and that's my time to what ever had to do including fighting who do that who now fight because we know how to plan ourselves our operations and so you met with the president of working officer yes no I didn't I didn't meet I met with his representatives okay and then chat Stila yes Cheston I didn't just want arms by also trained some of these soldiers right or you were you were to train I know you going to leave um maybe no no no that yeah but and therefore you had seen as a very tough time I've never not just a captain that is what I'm trying to divert you were not just a mere captain you were a captain with something special so in the chest ela and also reps from burkina faso what was the whole meeting about well coming back to Ghana to do getting in all you know what to do was to write like a double guided through a lady and Rollins turned him down or did they respond for three times he were just to probably right you involvement which Aston reps from Burkina Faso abs as change tell us more about it it's just a bit our sets in there it is I couldn't just walk into the country and say I was back and I wasn't alone in my solo situation they were hundreds of others and and we're talking about maybe even people from their services yeah but you talk about civilians who were out there because they couldn't get back you know there were hundreds or thousands of them so if we are allowed the situation to remain the way it was a lot of them were going to be staying out forever and ever so us our early choice it wasn't anything that we could negotiate our choice was to come in with force you had that chance he had the opportunity to take over danger at one point no you had the opportunity I know why I'm saying that because no you can see it on there but you had the opportunity who stopped you we stopped ourselves yeah who's you you stopped yourself yes why I mean because we're not we're not ready for it and as I said earlier if someone had pressed the trigger I fired at us then how would a broken loose but in this situation that we found ourselves it was going to be a deliberate attack and who would have to plan it properly because you don't go in there hoping that you succeed you have support French at Silla you had support from Burkina Faso yes and the country was not being run properly yes you had the opportunity okay so you're talking about just a learned man that's right and talking about after exams okay right there were infiltrations right we got people who had been sent to you know double cross the operations yeah some of them we knew others we didn't so now we had to start planning against those that we knew and then think of how we're going to neutralize the others but the support now wasn't good to come Darla's era because for instance Campari wasn't too happy that so information had been leaked it wasn't happy you know and we didn't leak it we didn't make it go out so it was something antenna or somebody had managed to infiltrate into our system then we have also had politicians who were against the whole idea of in a military takeover okay because they said in 1992 I was going to be elections and you know there'll be a change of government nobody foresaw that PN is yours will come back without a tea thank you you know but they also did not help our course at a time and to think that whatever we're doing wasn't for us as individuals it was for the country so if some members of the the country we're against what we're doing now we didn't know there who couldn't silence them we couldn't ask them to stop what they were doing so that we could go ahead then it was difficult for us to just move in like that just a day at the end of the day you want to fight for somebody I was okay I could have stayed here for as long as I wanted but ever all that people would needed to go back home they needed to go back and that was the only way they could go back not going to negotiate and these were the people who were undermining undermining the whole process so anytime I was out of the country there was bars around us and was good to be done you know but I wasn't the only my group wasn't the only one we mirror dividers who were doing things but we knew that we had a common cause so whatever it was good to be at that last minute we would all get together and do what we had to to do and the whole idea was to hand over power back to you know as civilians unless unions run it if you are in uniform and you want to be in politics you put on a uniform there's a process for it so yes we didn't do it because we're being undermined and there was no point in us going to risk our lives and the lives of other people you know I need a lawyer captain what I need a lawyer captain because I I have researched and I know you had the opportunity to take over you had that incentive but you didn't and for what reason like you said there were iterations so I respect that yeah and and plus hours and that ambitious because I didn't think I could I could be a president you know I wouldn't think like master Sian do and think that hey I can also be President so since I wasn't prepared for it I would not deliberately walk into it okay what is your relationship now a trellis there's no relief at all nor do you ever want to meet him again no well there was an attempt to give it to meet him and what I said if I have to say no no no then I said look if I have to meet him as former president I have no choice if issues some of me just like ex-president could forward some of me and I'll go if he suppose me as ex-president I'll go if he just calls me us any other person like running oh come and listen no no I don't need that because there are answers to be provided to get me into that I was compromised the last time we spoke about it and I can't forget that he's going to say sorry to a whole lot of people you know for me life has not been that if go glad to work hard at it but there are others who have not recovered and the country hasn't recovered because of what happened from those days so I don't see why I will go and have a cup of tea a lot of people here in for fighting corruption they have another saying now it's tuitions like this people are failing to understand in as much as you believe that he did worse people held him and they say look we need a strong leader like him did you believe in that deal do you believe he actually fought corruption oh no it was corruption in in those times I mean things that I can't I can't I can't prove now but a lot of things happened and I will not believe that corruption is not just about going to grab money and but if you go on on a prison with soldiers and you get back for lunch you're supposed to be eating the same sort of food now you give the soldier young and some contemporary which is greener than green to eat a meal while your plates you are not eating the mess team you're eating them for plates and the label and the plate says star hotel what do you think you are going to that that soldier he's been out there fighting you come back and you give that you see in if you are not corrupt and maybe that's the only food you can eat you pour the food into a mess then you are not pretending but you have to relate with the people that you are moving along with so they can trust you but it was who were the people who were at the forefront of all of this where are they mentioned mentioned their names and list let's see where you mention their names somehow the good Lord has been with my dirty of them and living abroad and change their lives and so on they've ended up and in dual citizenship you know my dad's know how some of us wanted when I left six four went straight to the W's Academy just about two miles break you know to fool around when strict so it was like discipline discipline discipline all the way through but what happened and you know somehow at this time say that oh he fought corruption how old is the peasant the person who says they are bringing him back yeah those days they said let a blood flow and innocent blood was spilt the generals who who who were just destroyed liner yeah you count and those were soldiers those were obsess and guess that let the blood flow and that's what happened they can't say that should bring him back there's no problem they shouldn't woods this time is good but I know that people would some people would say that because they don't have the background they don't know what happened yeah the pencil had not been trained to to run a country has not done any management courses even to say that I can manage a little company and all of a sudden you made a person a minister hey some of them did well but there are others who I guess flood like me it might have been a bit ambitious I was going to be Deputy Secretary for fuel and power yeah but hard to run because I knew outfield I wasn't trained for it corruption is that I love the group is there anything he did that you will commend him for yes he brought awareness of self help you know and I know certain point you know jumping into a ditch to help dig was commendable I mean he bought himself that load so if you say that it is good to dig and they jump in there and start building yourself anybody would feel in debt to you you say you have practicing what you are saying so yeah in that particular case I would say that he did work bringing the offsets attitude that way for even civilians who could not get to so yes and also worked in to to to appreciate that you know we could all do do things that they never expected positive things yeah but the lack of respect for elders is what you you can't you can't correct that it's difficult it's difficult to correct that and a lot of them have been thrown you know offhand that you start insulting you know your seniors you forgot that you get there one day and the genius we enjoy because you give an example that if you hadn't advanced or the simian that is a team that I won't do if I want to insult if I really want to insult it is somebody who's never gone past I'm not going back there I can say anybody below 40 is not serious I won't say anybody about 60 is not serious I won't say that you know it may be not a very good analogy but what I'm saying is that there are things that he did that you say positive but he had the opportunity to turn Ghana around seriously [Music] Sankara did add some Kairos 10 in what universe universe around so why not us and Ghana you know in those days we'd be in a holder of them recently Rwanda had is rolling over the first VW Beetle Ghana would have been so many you know light years ahead we did a rendezvous with so many factories and that would have been the time because we had opportunity to force things just imagine me will talk with you and see that you have to dig a pit latrines for four females for four milk within two weeks and they did it because they the situation and they would have to do positive things yeah so he had a very good opportunity now is be miss so difficult for all the young ones you know that they will not even understand the fact that we have to give some respect and if I am one insulting older ones and then if you are the older one who has taught them how to insult now you're getting it what do you see but it's all part of the corruption what would be your advice to the current administration especially speaking quite bitterly about their generals that were retired from the Army without proper processes what do you think the car kind of initiative we regard to the they can also did you know first the whole revolution a new thing because clearly he did rolling yes probably he he was in charge but yet most most of his fellows are saying listen brother didn't do anything most of his instructions were intercepted people did what they wanted to do all in the name of Rawlings okay so he doesn't need to apologize to anybody oh he does the back was tucked in with him you know if your leader is not just about sitting there being a leader but you need to take control of yourself you need to take all the blame that comes you sort it out out there you take all the hits and then when you go behind closed doors you can check those guys over there by you know sometimes a day you mean it's obvious you should have done that you don't do that that is not leadership you know and and and yes a lot of who did a lot of things but you want their results so if you have as a number of people to do things you must have a list of what you are expecting there is also expecting and make sure that you can check that and if that is not coming back to you then there's a problem with the leadership now going to your your previous one about there your previous question about what should be done yes I think that you know and this situation is actually recurrent but a lot of offices are there with all the brains and all they do is sit down relax read newspapers listen to news and so on the government can use these people you go to other countries and ex-service is not just about exhibit my my what my commander would would say to me or an idea that you give me if something I would have taken a lot of time to arrive at that what is wrong we'll use them all these expect ease in the various positions you will be engaging them so they'll be busy at the moment almost all of them are receiving benefit the pension even though it is not very good and I think it makes you look it should be looking like that making sure that they are comfortable so that those who are coming up we say hey when I get to that age when I retire I'm going to be taking care of so now let me just commit by if you don't if you don't deal with these people anybody else who is coming now just be thinking let me prepare something for myself those days when we were in the service now talking about the 80s I'm telling you you you went out and you are not worried about anything you just wanted to go and do your job and get back so if somebody said oh I will give you a plot of land - - - good how old I will tell you something you never forget it what do you mean you know what why do you want to do that I'm here to show them I mean that's what we used to say you know you here to do the job but the times have changed mm-hm so to get commitment to get people to remain patriotic let them understand that something is being prepared for you so when you leave here that's where you're going the policemen firemen ambulance all these block committing themselves and there is nothing for them you find them struggling to even get your pension in other countries ex-service you are held in the highest and you are blaming organs for this condemning him for it thank you but okay so even in his time what did the hierarchy do what did I have it done that's when something could have been started but I'm not blaming you know a non-believer you asking me is he in his part of it but he is part of the process yes okay his part of it and we started from his era and what I'm saying at that time he could have 10 things around and made it more comfortable you know but not to say that because it didn't do it shouldn't be done now I know you are quite you are heaven informed about issues in Ghana politically another other other means do you believe the current start of the country is in a bad shape than it used to be at your time if you say heavily involved you are really promoting me I'm not I'm not I have lingo I mean I I see the situation like in other like other people who see maybe I know a little bit more because of some people i I I relate to it and I know that difficult times what I do know which is the difference between now and before is that now we seem to have the intellectual the people who know what to do to organize and so on unlike before someone comes from a secondary school and straight you made a head of a department and that kind of thing where is their experience for them to be able to do that but if you can put even people and others below them can sort of watch their attitude see how they do things the problem was touched you know organizing themselves to do a better job you see I used to say that like the previous government there were a lot of young guys in the government Hunley not face that's mine I think that they were not given enough mentoring because some of them were dropping their cars insulting people disrespecting and Latinas and that was a bad part of it the good part was that you had young blood in the system so what I'm hoping this is government to do is to engage the younger people as well get them involved in what is being done because whatever you do they are going to be taken over whatever we like it or not they are going to be taking over and if you want your legacy to go on forever then we have to have that secession plan that you train them make them you know very patriotic and let them carry on this day yesterday we're talking about some has a I met a Russian we're talking as a I went to Russia in 1965 is I really and the guy started and my sentiment started you know going back to 1965 when I would say Nkrumah never dies and today I would say the same thing why because there were structures in place but obviously some people didn't like it that's how come we got into all that problem and we resulted in stay in the position that we are now yeah but it would be a good idea for anyone who is coming in to think about what has happened otherwise you're not a good learner you learn from the mistakes of other people who've been before you and then you improve on what you've done right for a sense we talk about sanitation right the whole place is filthy what are we waiting for equipment from China to come and do that what did we use before China even go to the stage IDI and that they can produce it all these the equipment what happened to the brushes and things because somebody is not tackling the Frog the problem Hedlund so we're going to continue to have that problem what happens if someone comes out to invest I don't have a job you say look they they say job over here is managing the cleaning of a NEMA gotta let him say he's not gonna do it hey six months you have to do it if you want a job start from someone when I came to the UK I stopped as a guide security guard I didn't say I'm an osa so hey I want the money man job well one of my colleagues did that and he was out of a job for a long time he said if he understand why me as a manager I was suggesting that he did it and so it is important that we can get a they use you know involved but more importantly to talk to these guys men today and we've got people sitting there retired you know personnel we will gotta retire un secretary-general are we using that much maybe yes but what I'm saying is that we have people who comment you know down to whatever level that we think okay yeah well it was a pleasure seeing you once again and I wish you all the best and we'll catch up in Ghana right thank you very much yeah this is where time will bring us we'd like to say thank you I remember keep watching a needy TV I remember you can also follow us on YouTube Facebook and Instagram thank you for watching and goodbye [Music]

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Length: 70min 32sec (4232 seconds)

Published: Tue Jul 17 2018