Ghana's Past Revolutions - UPfront on JoyNews (18-7-18)

[Music] you will come back this is upfront my name is Raymond aqua today my guest is captain retired in crab a father type honorable you're welcome thank you he's remember Parliament the owner you know down so far he's been Minister is president I'm but now I want to believe you've given up on that but what they call it interest the reaction course you've tried well I hope you are doing well by the grace of God yes you've not been out there as many would have expected you to be mindful of your competence the things you've done in times past exactly why have you gone into hibernation well let me say that it is not that I have gone into hibernation but it is just that my father in heaven almighty goddess is preparing me for more tasks ahead I must confess if listeners or viewers are not away two days before the general elections of 7th December 2016 I had an accident in my office and it led to my being admitted to 37 military hospital and being performed a surgery and being off of record for for some time okay well that is interesting we didn't know much about that I hope you are in good health now by the grace of God I resumed practice beginning of September last year and since then I've been going to court every day house a lot going oh by God's grace what I eat every day father brings it to me well that's interesting is to run your law firm yes gravel analysis if I am coming from there okay it's interesting to note now I will take you back to 79 I also roll over to 82 I also talk about the periods where you were deemed to have been death single individual or slightly to threaten the democracy no no so democracy but the stability of this state in all forms we'll talk about all of those but first let's start from the basics in this particular case well are you in 79 well 79 that's almost 30 something years of yes that is 39 years 39 years ago interestingly enough I retained from Sun has rarely track a rainy in March 1979 and my mates passed out of the military academy in April 1979 so we are reported to a various units me to one battalion of infantry Michelle come to me at the beginning of May 1979 two weeks later general Rowland's made his 15th May coup attempt and two weeks later the fog jus broke out at that time I was an officer in one battalion of infantry we shakem German and we recently find it very interesting but you know one day I got to my room and come off or League on and my mates called or say - - he told me that if I kept she was here then I said which captain he said oh he says you come in the next thirty minutes to wait for him so I waited and he walked captain watch again and he told me was and all that mouton is from omaha vu and he had been to see the Dean of the law faculty and he wanted a student who he could do low with so what he then became my friend and through birthday I met Jen Rowland's and I wish to have a lot of interesting debates with them other towers in second year law I used to have a lot of interesting debates with them and then I realized that it is not all suggest who were zombies as with university students used to call them and so I developed an interest in becoming Suja so honestly because of Rowling's and once again I enlisted to become a Suja unfortunately I was sent to Sony's red millet Academy okay okay that's it rest that's why I was streamed and I came back so when what is MIT is a tent I went to see watch again that captain what is happening our friend has made an attempt at a coup and he said well it's unfortunate but efforts are being made to turn the whole thing into a political trial I said very well and then interesting enough as as go to Harvard they attended a not the Attorney General but the data of Public Prosecutions mr. gek Aikens his attempt to defend the system rather too circuited the system because he told the tribunal the the general court-martial that was trying geralyn's he told him that Rawlings wanted to stop the mercury and the rip of the economy by foreigners in the country I remember I read a front-page story coated by dela graphic and the idea that went through the minds of most Ghanaians was that why didn't always succeed in this may 15th yes as I was no surprise that to inform Jim Brooke out and from Jim was a result of attempts by the other ranks the junior ranks to save their colleagues from the death penalty which was most setting to have been imposed by the Tribuna so that is what happened it's interesting to know I mean the but you are very close to Gerald is then I was very close to him you were part of the planning of the 50th may know he didn't know anything about I didn't do anything about but what I know contradict a claim that you are very close to a man who plays a coup d'etat without your involvement well you see now I can say that you can this have somebody as a friend but there are several levels of friendship you can be my friend in the office you can be my friend when it comes to running after woman and it can be my friend at going to stadium together you can be my friend only in the courtroom there are some wild levels of friendship and so yes Rollins was my friend I knew him since 1978 97 no since 1975 when I was a second year I knew I'm Maryland's when I was a second year legal and he and I together was a giant the trove was almost every Saturday we used to meet and AG you and talk about national affairs with such passion that you know one felt almost being very nice man but it didn't know him as motor school no he was my senior ok in fact Rollins did not come to 6 for energy motor if he had I would have met you but I did not okay so when I went to form one Rollins meets Wayne up at six ok that's interesting to know because there's a claim that you had always wanted to I mean overthrow governments you made it boldly clearly even in automotive school that give it the opportunity you'd run the country down with military action is this true you know I've seen eyes who have not got into the university level but I'm cell for the senior high school because there's a claim that people about yourself you know your colleagues that some time ago you know it is true it is true in the sense that I remember so well when I was natural school form two at a time user of the Prime Minister plan and I remember one day our teacher a father we subject and it is a very sensitive question you ask me because it makes me you something the teacher asked us you from to be that what would you want to become in the future we are about four or five who who all said won't be primary self gana 1d won't be prevalence of gana 1d but I'm ideally young student who has once his youthful days express a desire to become friendly self gana yes if were to be true elections now there have been a problem I mean but I'm given to understand in your case you are very clear in your mind that not only will you do so by hook or crook but to the barrel the gun no University because for chooses the 1970 it was a fabulous Tunisia but three years before that time we come out of a coup d'etat that's pretty much Colonia my - no no no I have not had that ambition to come to power of times but you wanted to be Prime Minister that was the infant but as I grew up I never showed into life I realized that well what about God brings is fine I mean politics you never know what tomorrow will bring you've given up on that vision oh I've given up on anything expecting anything you store to be present at airports don't want to be a very successful lawyer with a wife and children thank God yeah that what do you want it's not a doubt about the president of this Republic oh no I do have any such ambition now really I used to but not now is it because the NPP said you were not qualified to be Oh No I think the NPP decision that potala did this committee bid was erroneous and they do so stir in renews it was erroneous because the Constitution places a ban on those who have been fraudulent or have been convicted of fraud yeah oh I have attempted to stage a military coup and have been sentenced for mutiny or treason I was convicted of misconduct I was not convicted of mutiny I was no convicted of treason - no I was convicted of misconduct and that's why I was sentenced to two years imprisonment where any of these charges leveled against you the yes I was right not not me can talk about reason yes the fact that trial the church it was on treason yeah as well the military corollary which is mutiny I was child of mutiny and then the those who drafted a charge sheet they were new to show so they said in the alternative misconduct okay and I was acquitted and discharged at the level of submission of new case on the charge of mutiny I see yes okay now let me bring this back to the time I was talking about 79 you said that regardless of you free France we general issue and never way that made 50 was going to happen yes and but how about you fought yes because you see I was a subaltern in Michele come one being of infantry I was enough solid and when I returned from sunniest I was living at the military academy and from date to Michelle camp and I had not no more contacts with Rollins of oxygen but a new body dying he was then living with his wife in actual school campus but I used to go there just once in a blue moon because I was then an officer expected to be on duty in a second so like all offices and like Organians ahead of the 15th May uprising or radio and I was considerably worried because I knew Rowland's and he was EJ so I went to watch it John and what he done told me about the the issue and the fact that they wanted to make it a political track using cha cha cha kata a very brilliant lawyer as his defense lawyer and I was busily sojourning we second when father broke out and as I said earlier forth Jim was actually the wake of last copper serie and other landscapers who wanted to rescue Rowland's from the tribunal sentence which was coming on Monday Bachchan was no architect mastermind in any way well from what I for what I hate from all the active participants of that insurrection I wouldn't say we're seeing with the mastermind of that do no participant participant because he becomes he became the spokesperson of but he became the spokesman of a FRC because he was a very close personal friend of general I see he was and I may be wrong but I hear he was the best man I role is within both of them way not to go to school okay together of nano commander I see yeah it's interesting not let me bring it home to this particular point so 79 you are not participant did you play any role in the FRC then I was just an Suja Michelle come to me but you still have a relationship with jawless even though like a few people you are one of the people he never brought into his mainstream political agenda regardless of the relationship you had with him you see let me be sincere and say that my relationship with Rollins and Bachchan and that when I enlisted as a Suja oh really I say indeed because when I was on campus I used to meet them almost every Saturday for bocce guy and Rollins who come to campus pick me in the acha and we go to Burma come have lunch together and chat and a given zone that's what we used to do but now I've got enlisted into the military of course I spent all the time I did attract array me I'm from the street to Sunnis who s21 half years and when I came I never saw Rowling's until I saw him on television speaking on fortune so did you attempt to get closer for my friend eh no no so at what point in time where you then seen as someone who's an enemy of the state I was arrested by President Lee man's military intelligence I was tried by President Lee months intelligence are now sent to prison by President Li ones intelligence it was released when he came back in 1981 31st December who released me from prison why did they arrest you well as I said I was tried on the charge of misconduct but I was arrested because looking back now from what I was told subsequently the after the 4th June Revolution and the handling of a body a FRC the new leaders of the state and by that I mean president Lehman's government they did looked at the system and they said all future possible releases in the military should be removed and you identified as one and I was identified as one but because of your pronouncements in times past how do you see because of my pronounce because of your combat I would see because of my contact have you done anything that suggested that you were always in the making well they had some of my meats at lagoon who knew my political business on kampachi contesting for si si president and so on GCR president of Kemal fo and national secretary of the students movement of a community then you add political ambitions I was politically very active on campus and the military intelligence also knew my relationship with Rowling's and voices I'm proud to my becoming Suja and taking the fact that I was also a law graduate they didn't understand why I was in the army so they thought the best thing to do is to cut short my military career okay and that is why I was arrested and when I was arrested in fact I remember the very first day that I was arrested I was also 5th February 1972 1980 51 activity when I was arrested and they took me to British intelligence they told me if I we have been following you so tell us what we are we doing confirm what we do and I realized they knew nothing because I was not doing anything then what I was doing was going from five being to ganna law school to attend lectures and say as a law student and anybody who was following me could not find anything I was not planning a coup within the body I was not holding me meetings with anybody I was not having a cachet of arms and ammunition on me yeah sure oh and that Israel was acquitted and distracted and the level of submission of Lucas on the charge of mutiny it's interesting that you would pick out at a particular time especially when you said you had no strong relations with Jarrell is at the at that time - now there's been a lot of talk about the almost twenty eight months or so of Lehman stay in office and many said the security issues were pretty much paranoid because of what has happened before and it's a suspected something like that phase December to happen was this inevitable let me be sincere and see that I spent the year 1980 in Estonia 1980 in Lebanon yeah as a Suja okay when I came back I was picked up on 5th February 1981 I spent the whole of 81 in prison so I didn't know much about the doings of the Lehman government okay but following the military coup of 31st December when I was released and as I I was appointed by Rawlings as members of the national investigations committee and we investigated the actions of the PMP Minister does the minimum government says daily manga we interrogated them I realized that 31st December was inevitable it was made in a writable by the actions of the Lehman government for instance there was no reason why the mid-calf to judicata a target of harassment he was oh he was actually followed up really by security agents to the extent that there was a high court case in which Captain Canuck Takata tried to get state protection against that activity but the court ruled that the State Security had a right to do what they were doing what had he done wrong then I mean yeah captain Connecticut are not done anything wrong and that's why personally and I'm entitled to my personal views I do understand why State Security were cheating in broad daylight I see and also the way they were the corruption stories that came up during the less than two years Lehman government in there less than two years the man government at least what I saw at the necessary Services Committee so but well no matter what anybody would see you can't justify I was a beneficiary of the diversion but because that I see that released me from prison that's interested but that's no justification for the removal of a constitutionally mandated government well I'll agree we do to that extent but I was a benefit in and of itself a meatiness conduct I was a beneficiary of the incident interested i i i mean beyond you beyond your very self let me talk about i mean i come to that point but let me talk about your prison experience how was it like being in prison Oh Massa you know let me tell you a little history Julie Aziza was a famous Roya Anna Suja and his best friend was arrested on charges of treason and Julius Caesar did not want to speak in favor of the treasonous conduct of his friend at the same time too he did not want his friend to be executed so Caesar said in the Senate that the best punishment you can give to your enemy is not to kill him but to take into prison the reason being as for death it will happen to everybody what about choice against your choice but to be put into a situation where you'll be confined where you do not have freedom of expression well you don't have freedom of movement where you you are manicured almost as a vegetable is the Western that can happen to a human being is that what's happened to you and honestly when I am crabby a father or sent to prison the day I was arrested 50 were in 1881 I was sent to the condemned cells of insomnia medium security prison I was there for three months before I was transferred to the main prison yet massa prison is not a place for anybody and if me if I die if I get the chance I'll send my enemy I will kill my enemy I'll send you to prison because it to be made a prisoner is terrible yes if says so but describe to us what really happened there you see the romantic if a person is in prison the first terrible experience is that you sleep in a Cell and you go to toilet in the cell and you sleep beside you your human excreta until the cell door is opened and every prison cell is locked from outside so you cannot open the cell to go out even to the prison yet and every when I was dead 1981 were sleeping eight in a room how because this room I have big is about this studio will take about four rooms very small very small let me a cubicle small small cubicle in my time were eight I hear now is over over ten over 15 in for me a father day I have prayed to Almighty God that by His grace instead of taking me to prison again he should rather take my life oh I see it was not serious I would never in the name of God and even when I was Minister for deputy minister for interior area I did not attend some prisons because I've talked God that I beg you you should never let me see the inside of a prison again later loser okay so the conditions were bad their conditions ah but even now oh now what I'm told they're the sole prisons was built for capacity of 800 but I hear now this over 2,000 people serious congestion is terrible and since President Nkrumah's time 1966 I hear government has put up only one extra prison and you know I'm who must I'm gonna pop Elisha was six million six malaria today we are almost hitting lately so you can imagine crime rate and the number of prisoners must have prison I don't want to talk about it because it's terrible it's terrible now in your own case beyond the conditions were also more treated oh also more treatment by God's grace nobody ever touched me at the mentioned above Lamont and in the present your body but I knew you because they all knew me I was an Army officer so prison officers cannot really do it an army of side away yes I better so pre services bitterly assaulting prisoners in those days actually terrible I mean this political prisoners like yourself or the were not nervous criminals - been put in jail under the ordinary okay but let me be clear my mind on this one so you were released because you are deemed a political prisoner or you were released because you had support for the third phase coup d'etat well from what I hear one role is to kuva on 31st but we made the coup on 31st of December one of his very first actions was that and interest now just a run up to 31st about 15 soldiers were picked up for attempting to stage a coup okay so it was just after two weeks then telophase in a blue card so when they felt this dimmer came rolling said all those soldiers who were picked up and I on remand in his own prisons including crab wafer that should be released okay even though your case was similarly different from them yes if you recall he let go because of and you are the most mentioned specifically yes so I knew you angel yes of course everybody it was published in the media yeah that was interesting also first act after freedom Oh straight to good Nevarez and I joined it rolling back in the military yes I was reinstated into uniform as a lieutenant so I was released on 31st December 1st January and the initial so he's not sure that you are stripped of your title oh no strict yes no I think the grouping that found you I would call it guilty of misconduct we understand that the strip you of your ties yes the group that the tribunal that's convicted me of misconduct they sentence me to dismissal of disgrace from the Armed Forces yeah and and the prison for 25 23 months that was the sentence so I was in prison out of the sentence I said 11 months and Rowleys released me and restated me into uniform to join Appy and easy to join the headquarters of the PD will come back talk about that after this break my guest today is captain Vitaly crab a father a politician literate man okay for my alleged coup plotter and a man who are supposed to of misconduct himself in the army of the Republic of Ghana I wanted to become president and his appreciation of a happy new 79-81 and also the years after that after this break Allah will come back after few minutes almost talk about post immediate I'm in the P NDC people complain about about to a front my name is Raymond aqua my guest today is captain retired in Korea a father a man of many parts former military man interesting history in the military had interest in becoming president now he's given up small small if you look if it looks like the interest is living that part applause even though he's headed right for me senior high school days and well he's a man who's also been Minister Deputy Minister in this Republic a fine lawyer by our standards and qualifications come to your come thank you we left off when you left prison and joined the PMD see it was a natural progression for you because they freed you right yes and I mean your conscience did not tell you that you should enjoin a government military of one that has removed a constitutionally mandated government regardless of how you a treat abide well don't forget I was a young boy that time I was 26 years old I see that's pretty young I was I was in uniform I was an infantry officer and in those days I had a career ambition to rise to become a major-general and I wanted to do the best I could for my nation and I was playing the game as the rules were permitting so I said the P NDC Rawlings called me and told me to go and set up a committee to interrogate the P and P administers and recommend those who should be tried and those who should be free why are the best person to do that was i well you're the best person to do that well usually have been data I mean clearly you adventurous to pursue in this case I wouldn't say so I wouldn't say so how desired vengeance to pursue because if I had been just pursue against you maybe the Minister of Interior and that was professor WC accord analyst who was my lecturer at legal I'm Dean of the law faculty when I was dead I was one of his best students and he used to relate with me I organized the first all African law students conference with him directly so I did not have vengeance against anybody but ours I guess roley's give me their appointment because he knew I had a legal background I see and at the same time to renew he knew me as a friend so recommended people for prosecution yes I did because you perceived they were corrupt yes I did and this corruption was because of those new pop investigation done you predetermined in your mind that they were corrupt no no we give them a day and I see so to you hasn't come and prove the undercroft no that is not the inquisitorial fashion I see that's what no no no that was not it we we would bring the ministers and people TMP ministers who bring them to the committee who call them one by one I remember Vijay Khufu was was in front of us and I was a PMP minister no it was not but I forgot how idea for cake before us one day I think to give a testimony in respect of somebody I also remember we interviewed or interrogated President Lee Mong you know over one week of daily interrogations we had we used to have data in front of us and people give us information so we are then question and those that we recommended for trial or persecution we give all the data to the public arena yes not the courts no a public arena and they had prosecution system and they look at it and build the case so it was free and fair and honestly I as I sit here in front of you I consider there is nobody who appeared before the end I see I had nothing with Business Committee that I had that I regret the way we treated him do was there massive corruption in the government in the PNP at musician yes how would this issue how this is because even by the time I was being arrested by the Rollins regime how many ministers had be recommended for trial very few okay now I want to be clear my mind what as early was the length of period that this national investigating committee stayed for the entire period of PN DC or you are done with your work in a couple of years they're there and I see which I take credit for establishing lived for about three years then it was changed to Serious Fraud Office okay so this is what we have now see Oval Office and then it was changed from co-op foot office to yuku which is currently the case now yes so the last time about two months ago I went to the office of yuku with a client and as I acted the office and also the machinery and it stepped and I look back to 1982 when I first formed that organization I I had some feeling of nostalgia the body like the N I see that there are claims I mean not specifically today and I see that appear in DC in general did not only victimize people there were serious atrocities during those times this is true right well to be fair to my own question yeah yes there were some excesses do you don't use the words atrocities I prefer excessive I would say there were some form of justification is required in there those those a lot of excesses during the Revolutionary days serious excesses in fact I felt sorry and because some of the soldiers went out of control and with a direct blessing and authority granted by the leaders for the P and EC I wouldn't say direct blessing or authority because one day I was amazed winning the office of the chief of Defense staff one of the activists in the PDC regime openly brought out a cake and whipped somebody who was in front of the chief of Defense staff this was generally no answer this was general I was amazed it was possible that was this a militia man that guy who did that yes well I wouldn't want to miss it I was an activist diplomatic way no no okay so but it was he a military man just terrible was he a military way okay that means the pianist in leadership resort had no full control the situation there well I wouldn't say they did not have come true but I've said that quite a number of the activists did a lot of unruly issues let's talk about the 1982 killing of the judges you a military man you are also a lawyer you are very conflicted on that matter weren't you I was very conflicted on that matter no I was not conflicted on it because I was going to work at nationalist Business Committee when we had the outbreak of this kidnapping and medic of the judges and how I followed events keenly I was very happy when former Chief Justice the crappier was appointed chairman of the Special Investigations Board and Ivan took a copy of his report which I do still have and I had the original one just and there's only one copy oh it has been suggested that it is false then you in published reports and the P NDC added as white paper to it that's all I talking about airports dying died the people including former including captain Takata yes that's a report in about yes why you shocked when the Italian I did not prosecute capped in cata oh those days I was young so I didn't build any opinion why the Attorney General did no prosecutor captain Kuchiki table but on hindsight was that the right decision to make not claim that you are no longer competent in the love you know on hindsight I tell myself that it should have been better if captain Connecticut had been prosecuted and set free by the tribunal if the Tribuna had acquitted and discharging it would have been far far better for him because now he lives with this conscience this issue of some people are saying that he ought to have been prosecuted something for saying that he was the mastermind and some people saying that a white paper was not appropriate and you know but I think if I were to have been his lawyer in those days and give him the influence that I will a may have wilted as his lawyer I would have recommended I look massa submitters of go to the mill led to be prosecuted and then be acquitted and discharged then you come back with a clean conscience and for the for posterity did you think also that to be fair that leadership of the p.m. DC were behind this but quickly not the judges I have looked at the facts the SI B's report in the Hat also had reference even a magical another saying that they felt were embarking on a sanctioned activity which had the blessing of the leadership of the pn dissident well why is the leadership of the pn d c-- yeah i'm here i'm to SEMA was very advisedly leadership of pn d c-- can only mean that yeah and his special advisor yeah and his special advisor was captain captain yeah I I have my personal doubts as to whether rollies knew anything about this kidnapping a medal the judges honestly the report says he did their post says that he even if he did not know about the DEF he probably knew about the kidnapping I'm not sure I'm not sure because and I'm saying I'm not sure because I remember in the early days around the kidnapping yeah I hear one evening Rollins seriously asked a mother Queen in the council chamber yes where are the judges where are the judges it's not inclination that he knew they are doing kidnapped because he probably knew who kidnapped them so to ask where they are to some other was a civilian member of the P NDC would suggest he knew that perhaps they should be somewhere that he'll be aware of well I don't for me I want posterity to know that I am gravely father I don't know much about Rollins and the kidnapping of the middle did not participate in it I mean I get you saying that I was relevant the man he engaged me more when he asked me to do specific responsibilities for him when it comes to such a very important decisions I never knew anything about that a little have a meal yes yes yes yeah that's what I hear you say who but I just if you have forgotten I just said that my closeness to realize and then when I entered the military yes but he gave you a job to do at the end I see oh but that was a one-stop job he was chairman of p.m. DC and it was in the early days of the revolution about two weeks less than two weeks oh I see so after that you were not in also in anywhere close the leaders no peonies no when I came from prison yeah on Sunday the first day of January 1982 yeah I went straight to gundabad I was dead I was there when Kasich not kill him I was there when all the others came and soon and soon all those a category and all of them I was dead when they came and all those initial meetings professionals and defense council membership of the P and E see all those days hours dead I see and then Raleigh's written just less than two weeks when runners called me and said oh if a daddy I want you to use your legal brain to interrogate these PNP ministers and recommend those who were to be dealt with in different ways yes and then from that I left Gunda Burris and went to set up and I see net 37 Hospital and from that time you have virtually distance from me very far do you think we got to the bottom of the clean of the judges do did we go to the bottom of the matter the clean of the judges yes I think so with the si B report there's a B report itself yes and that was the end of it I think the si B report is the best coverage of the incident and that not the National Conservation Commission report oh but National Conservation Committee I don't think I think the best report on the kidnapping of the judges is the si B report I see prepared by former Chief Justice as you cry yes in this particular case I mean to the extent that's not all the people recommended were actually prosecuted does not sound too that they we've not completed their work on the report yet well I have just told you that you I think in the personal interest I get you but my question really is to do it somewhere not prosecuted doesn't mean that the job was completely done I see we've dusted every single comment and work on this particular report the HIV wrote a report yes the government came out with a white people refer and said that one of the procedures recommended for trial who will not be tried okay that is all now let me ask you questions or what's been happening I mean you've been deputy interior minister but goes yes yes yes in the junk of all government and you've been also held several other positions before in this country you remember Parliament yes and yes what do you want to go to back to Parliament well I was saying two days ago on a radio station that the only reason why I may want to go back to Parliament is the the thrilling experience in talking in the floor of the house that's all that's all not the money but there is no money for parliamentarians oh especially government is in power I wonder how many parameters get resources as much as a practicing private lawyer desk really oh yes and and when I was in Parliament I'm not several former parliamentarians who told me that they are making more money outside Parliament as lawyers than when they were in Parliament usually that I agree look I I said it and I've said it several times before bill to Parliament in the late 2001 I was a private lying a crap ahead of my own loafing and Crimean Association I had seven cars and three houses which I was building I entered Parliament and because of the pecuniary law revenue of a parliamentarian I ended up selling all my cars and none of my houses could be completed their entire eight years of the junk afford oh yeah much money to get interested that you break this point but want us to look at this yeah took it is not happening who do you think should replace a lot SI as easy boss thankfully I'm not the president of guns yes that job is not for me to decide no I mean their names are actually making us worse every time I suppose ooh well she's capable of doing it do you think she should be I do have a problem disappointed OH how about hqo supreme pay of CDD now I don't have problem it looks like to a fried egg yes Ben there's a good start over there for some time okay now let me ask you this related question do you think the removal of the AC bus was right very right really very right because some iron court challenge in this decision oh this allows on procurement charges in court on this matter I don't know anyway how do you make this claim totally I'm sorry to say but the only making the other ways which would need to finance what's the basis of the claim you're making look the Constitution says that before you can remove a core of Appeal judge a petition must be sent to the president yeah and the president as a post office must send that petition to the Chief Justice the Chief Justice is the sole authority to decide whether the the petition there is a prima facie case in it Wendy of Investigation and that the chief does is the sole body in this Colossus committee in this case some people sent them petition to the president yeah the president by constitutional requirement sent it to the Chief Justice the Chief Justice route and repetition and decided that there was meat in the petition so according to the constitution she set up a committee and the committee met on day to day basis in camera and I happen to know one of the committee members who has to be personally that they did is Gerald oh well Royals did cross-examination exhibits with ten dead and they did at Toronto she was basically removed for breaching procurement procedures is that serious enough I don't know why you are trying to make procurement procedures look as a minor issue it is assuming assuming that even that is the only reason why she was removed I think if you are a leader you are not supposed to commit an offense Aleta must be a bad boat I see a man of trust must be above boat and you should not tell me that oh because the offense of committed is a minor one you know my time is running up there's a question that you need to answer and tell me what's your problem with investigative journalist another Iranian ass my problem with unless that his method of Investigation is wrong it is it is it is wrong with it if you think yeah or if you have strong suspicions that me if a that I'm collecting bribe you must take the cue of investigating or training me so that you get actual evidence of me collecting bright but you don't come to my office with secret gadgets hitting on you and propose a bribery situation for me and then when I take it or when I fall for it then you fill it and well say to the public the hell if I discuss were in the UK and other places second in the UK for example the security agencies specifically have tried to lure people with things especially getting to know that they're corrupt and prosecuted em several times I see I've never had okay now let me come to this particular claim with it was his evidence that was the basis for the current suit other GFE having to be almost dissolved by the procedure which is wrong is very wrong how it is wrong it is very wrong because my quest to deserve their Agfa you see with the support organized the whole exercise of a mass attempting to lure people into bribery situation and filming it living to the downfall of GFE personally you are opposing the decision of this government to actually disorder GFE that's what it sounds to me I'm saying that methodology of a mass is very erroneous and I believe stronger than you who is doing this interview who is the host of this program I am very sure you not be happy if any journalist under any name and tell your office with hidden cameras to tempt you to see whether you take bread and then if you fall for it to see your name be filmed at Orion cinema for people to go and see how you say it is room by the court seems are giving up and go ahead to deserve this public office of government-wide yes well if a judge has done that I may not agree with the person but I'm one person but I think unless is a misnomer I think a man must should be bottled up I think a message what a massive you destroy anti-corruption journalists he is not allowed to cross the journalists do you--what's who watches the Watchmen did you watch it or you don't believe and imagine unless at this time running to national media Commission for for soccer yes for for them to build him up what's relational media policy national media Commission has itself not sang media Commission has made a lot that journalists must use secret gadgets to take evidence anything when it becomes necessary to do so there must not publicize the information they get they must hand over that information to the police did I not do that a fortunate my time is running out and I'm sorry I was ok so I'm told I can wrap up with you on this one how do we deal with the problem that you have with on us how do we do with it I think that a nurse should be unmasked I think that unless unless things you're to expose him exposing I'm saying that if I must think that what his doing is right he must come up boldly and show his face to the general public that I am enough and I am galas of how difficult how very serious a job he is doing and the risk involved Oh otherwise what is the meaning of heroism we can offer we can all easily hide and tell lies haven't read this book written by KB console bogus others new formats yes I've read that no gods in formats I've read and listen Rick is back to back when I was a at messing with Jesus committee I was amazed at the number of cases that came and they were all proven to be false false accusations only yesterday yesterday yesterday somebody rang me from Assuan prisons and told me he has been in prison three years seven and 18 year jail sentence for defiling a girl which he did not do that's nothing to do that nice really second that's nothing to do it on us oh yes but I'm only giving you an example of how people stories is that single individuals going to courts and harder when I guess honest on this matters single individual I've not seen any no so far none yes but surely that the public outcry is building up against enough fortunately honourable Canada Depot has issued a writ against him and others in the pipeline so understood water another we should continue this conversation Manitoba appreciate a time coming to us use yes there folks thank you so much for joining us in this edition of upfront my guess was capture retired in Kabul ferrate [Music] [Music]

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Published: Wed Jul 18 2018