AFRC/PNDC Coup D'etats - UPfront on JoyNews (27-6-18)

[Music] hello good evening welcome to our front my name is raymond aqua exactly some thirty nine years ago the our forces revolutionary council at a point in time lined up and killed seven and some include 18-week generals in the Republic of Ghana their crime was that at some point in time they actually committed the highest treasonable offense in the country today we put all of that in perspective for you for one man who supported 79 you can call coup d'etat because it was an illegitimate government does in place you can say uprising then also supported the 1981 come back off for my present journalist one man who knows geralyn's in and out and cant do proper diagnosis of the Jerome's we see today and previously but more importantly has the revolution succeeded in transforming the nation Ghana into what's supposed to be this have anymore other questions that I be answering when I come back after this short break I'll tell you who my guest on today's our front ace and we dive into the conversation [Music] [Music] you you will come back my name is Raymond aqua this is upfront today we're going back into history cause some years ago generous ranging from a madam a ranging from brachii and also of course we admire madhumathi I can give you the entire list including people at done coded tasks in 66 those who try to remove such mangled mess along the line and those who have led the country before including a champion which is ignatius go to a champion who was some time ago a leader of the country and am literally Jim when lined up and killed at some point in time today some years down the line now one man who believed in the armed forces Revolutionary Council of 1979 also believed in the 31st December 1981 coup d'etat I was at the center of this particular action is my guest today he's not ceased to be a sociology I don't know whether he still of the belief that a revolutionary what did not wake before he fell out of the den Chama runs along the line comrade cui Xia do hi doing I mean do still refer to yourself as socialists are you evolutionary you do still from student days up to this time yes let it go back what 79 was happening you were a student 79 yes okay that's interesting but you let huge groups where they hope that you support something that would make probity accountability the order of the day reinstall a country that's for the ordinary person after there was a lot of military up and down that stepped the country in the third republic improv that third republic anyway how was it like living in those times and believing in the uprising you know this we hear a lot about probation accountability yeah the issue at that time was not these days people find a convenient to say that the core values of June 4th and 31st were proven accountability it's not true really this is not it is something that depict long do we when they saw that they were going away from everything and I had to find some way of justifying themselves so the call provision accountability I don't want to try did you get involved in the activities of June 4 1979 and it related matters what did you become I'll get interested in the FRC's activities no when they first came I had to finish I was no longer a student okay I was in national service okay and but I was quite interested in what was happening and I followed the events at some point I got involved with the confiscated access committee because the students were supposed to have representatives but because they were still studying the cooling that the time to do it so they got some people who had just left the university to represent them and I saw I didn't take part in any of our decisions or policies or anything I the nearest I went to the most reception they confiscated assets what committee committee what was the job of this group some people's assets had me confiscated and so there was a decision that these assets that should be a decision as to what to do with those assets not to attend to let people know there were guidelines some that was supposed to be returned to the family and if for example it was a family home you can take it so and then there were others that were supposed to be you make a recommendation as to watch supposed to be used when why these assets confiscated we confiscated the 1979 why were they confiscated somebody was a uni I was not part of the tribunal that decided they Tribune odd I decided that people's property to be taken be taken no as far as I'm concerned I had been appointed onto a committee that they say people's things having these are confiscated assets and your committee should work on them also and why did you know of this attached the people some supposed to be retained if for example they said return one to the family I mean when we say family we talk about wife children just like that and then if there is a family one also you let it be for the family for example if somebody builds a family compound house you cannot take it away but the rest was supposed to be the were supposed to be recommendations as to how they should be used there the committee members keep part of this properties for themselves you know how am i sure it was not it was a possible commentary around the time that apart from sitting on these committees committee members end up keeping some of them do this on post early I can tell you the analysis report on before cg must wake with groupies who are supposed to be building housing for other people's consumption he took over he investigated at in ended up being and what they call a beneficiary of the housing project I think that York office Kita's has come to never did know they found confiscated access committee I have no information I after now anybody benefited from the confiscated assets and let me also clarify something I was on the housing subcommittee no the others I'm not the others were found the committee's for farms and other things but I was I am not privy to any information than anyone took over any of those files did the FRC succeed the fascists are seated in the way that they said they were coming for that were coming to for three months and then hand over in that sense yes but even proudly they are coming into our plans to go for and actually wasn't it yes so what was the need for that particular FRC to be there in the first place I don't at that time to be very frank with you there was also a feeling among some people this is going to be a fast and that would have been happening in the country people who had been dishonest with the rest of the people in the country we're going to get away with it so for some of us when we had that there had been fest was they made 15 and then and there the field could attack yes the one that I run yeah and the sort of things that were coming out of the turn well quite exciting so when you thought came and we were saying the same thing well for 2016 yes only you see when you look at it from hindsight I said some of those people are not what they claim to be that's different but at that time I'm just talking to you about that time how do we portray themselves then leaders of the air frosted a very genuine people who had been concerned about the amount of corruption that had been going on and the way that ordinary people had been cheated and the worry that the country had been taken over by certain external forces and therefore there was a need to correct that situation like the IMF it was they actually doing the child mr. Rollins didn't talk about the a way not at all no not in the Bretton Woods institutions no he did he talked so just enough what is very-- talking about the US as a state taking over the Lebanese and serious yes lagana yes was that a reflection of the truth on the ground in the wait times in those days when there was some it wasn't a very marked issue it was not an important issue because the were Lebanese who a Ghanians and by the fact is that usually whenever you head of some molestation of some maid or somewhere card to either be Lebanese very something yeah in 79 we had a similar case like that this is gone surprise him that he will happen history tonight and OVR petition of a similar kind now okay alright so that was important and but some said he was also a housecleaning of Assad as in junior manager of says taken over from senior militia obsessed because some way somehow they had virtually appropriate statehood to themselves and also know whether way returning to democratic rule anytime soon and the fact was that you see when you talk about seventy nine if you living talk before 7:00 tonight yeah because the soldiers wanted to entrench themselves and we were my Champa 2f that we can offer a jump on and when the students protested against it then they changed and said okay we wanted Union government and then the Union government idea was found to be a way to even entrench themselves more only legitimize the situation so that was not acceptable and so it reached a point where some of the senior military officers for that no we cannot sustain this and that's why they removed a jump on and put themselves there okay and would they had done some of the other ranks might have felt that look you have entered a bad name and you are going to get away with it and that's why they wanted housecleaning exercise and when did he manage to clean the house okay so that's the question about coming to ax next house cleaning was this successful cleaning oh sure it I suppose at the time there were people who were genuinely concerned that they should clean up the system I think that the soldiers were thinking we're going to clean up the military but the civilians that supported them also thought that the whole society should be cleaned up but there are three months to go they had boxed themselves in and said they were going to be there for three months so after three months I don't think the job I see now let me move a little bit in the throws of the ask the question that was we skipped that particular question the question was whether or not the ideals that informed June thought as of the time you when you reflect some years down the line was the killing of these generals even in various respective roles some for having loans as little as whatever is supposed to be some for having Bangalore houses and all of that if you look back is it justified no it's not justified no what makes it on just fine now because what they were killed for they are nothing as compared to what nothing including some of those who were participants in those events you kill somebody for having their lord you kill somebody for having a family even one of I think who took her still had an overdraft on his account you kill him why did analysis then why the offense is done the way the offenses were created by the by the FRC by you know fic law but what I'm trying to say there was a moral outrage even before her first law it wasn't more an outlet our outrage and at that time it was considered that there was too much corruption gone you used to call it color bully in those days too much then though to much I don't petty now other then if you compare it you know that it is nothing now lose this way nothing I'm telling you okay so I heard you say that it's cause for example killed for have no overdraft no it wasn't killed for having an overdraft I'm saying that if you look at his accounts yeah one of his accounts at gun a commercial bank was was in oviduct so he had taken loans yes he wanted to build the house you wanted to make a farm and things like that but a friend if they are this way in thousands of cities oh they're not even in dollars and we are not even talking about hundreds of thousands of CDs forty-two thousand four thousand five thousand organ a CDS those gonna cities are in those days okay and then you compare you yourself you compare odd now when people say come boldly tell you that a bunch of brought me two million dollars what do you think [Laughter] it's interesting the dynamics in this particular case the V they paid the ultimate price really these generals yes they paid the ultimate price with their lives they actually had to lose the lies along the line and this was because we needed to clean the system of people who were very corrupt irredeemably corrupt the question actually was well he just opposed to now can the people who make the claim that these are extremely corrupt people and the middle is just on this earth can they meet Stan litmus test and pass it I doubt it I don't I don't think so they cannot see they say that if you won't pass through it place to be clean you have to be clean yourself in those days this possible is it that we envied them or is it that we genuinely thought that there was something wrong because if you kill somebody you kick you don't imprison the person who killed a person from massive corruption to be clear for massive corruption yes and then later you you have more massive things than the person you killed and there is no suggestion in those days if you look at some of the things that have been listed there and they had illegally done it even though there so no matter so it didn't matter whether you illegally or legally they might have used their influence it is possible now what I'm saying is that people are not just using their influence to acquire things these days they just grab them how does that make you feel terrible when you come to think about it but I didn't know that so this was going to happen actually do you know the people it was known who say that we're going to know me you go along a journey with friends and you will not know until you have reached the end of the journey whether some of all of those friends are genuine so it is possible someone takes up that issue and says that this is where we are going but that's not his intention he's doing it so that all go along all of you and as time goes on when he gets the a good opportunity you will be his real self that's what the leadership of the airfryer see then which of them did you believe more I did not know all of them very well the nearest person I had known before he became a member of death first he was at that time he was captain Bachchan but I met him in different circumstances was Bachchan clean I don't know because I didn't know his he was mean now he was I don't know I don't know because I'm not close with him okay I don't know now let me we will do a transition where surprise when after hand nobody live man for operators are always came back no you're not surprised no weather conditions that needed a particular retain in the first place there was this issue among some of the student activists on those who had left the university in those days that look we fought all this while and sometimes when we leave the university we become individuals and they are in the outside world so let's form a group okay now at some stage when the Lehman government came if they fic issue area did not do anything at all it raised consciousness it reads hope for ordinary man in the street that the goons achieved something if given the chance and the Lehman government was virtually it wasn't a man aside but some of them within it very powerful forces within it we're trying to reverse that as a way of truth what they did was we are going to reverse that but those who stand there as symbols of that treatment we have to demonize them so some of them were given scholarships and if it were giving scratches to go abroad and you won't go you have to demonize you and that's what it did okay and they appeared to have done somebody a great favor by doing that you supported the same but at first yes it's a pathetic yes did you play any particular rule you mean in preparation or yes inspiration or work in preparation no I mean did you know ahead of time that was going to happen I got an idea yes you got an idea yes was it to your mind a justified cause for a government of less than two years to be removed I'm not going to I'm not going to go into even the politics of it let's go personal okay this was the government that was supposed to be a democratic government okay this was a government that was supposed to be a democratic government I personally and that's what I'm saying personal because there are other political issues what the social isleño of No excuse me what what would the social element professed to have actually be an Akuma only only some people would believe that he did not in fact Lehman is shown to have been among the people who were plotting against on chroma from Togo really you yes so but they don't let the lies of sorry the likes of ayodhya dementia the lives of possibility of the lives of protocol actually also also protected man because of his socialist leanings and you'd answer was my mate in bed so are you doubting no no what I'm trying to say is that lumen was imposed on the PNP by some powerful forces in the p.m. he was originally not a PNP person so let us dress the part okay yeah but okay so your reason for supporting the each one was past that no no I'm not saying it was personal I'm saying that their political and their personal and I was going to explain to you yes the difference is what yeah what I'm interested in is the government that supposed to be democratic open yeah I love freedom and just like that this was a young person who had just finished today in university I applied for a job and got the job because of my political views I was working with the gonna in the style holding cooperation I was act jihad yes I was act as an what political views are we talking about because I was a member of the June 4th movement here a mother do foot movement yes but also public organization it's a political organization is no political party there's no law against Bill against a public officer belonging to a political organization in the first place G Hawk was not super service and if you look at the evening in those days political party law and huan affiliation we talked about civil servants now then when people senior officers in givogue who were offices of political parties I'm not talking about a political organization some walking somewhere ok I know I'm sorry so you are stuck because they felt you were a threat to give hawk all because of your Paula Cole activities I think that in those days politics I think somehow it is also so in these days if you are not in my camp and you are taught that you could be against me then I have to punish you so I was sucked you if he didn't support the PNP then yes what political parties were you supposed to be alighted because the other way ideologically opposed to you all of them were ideologically opposed to me so how come there will be the thinking of the government that's the sushi a coup maizing client that you are posted them the PNP pretended to be increment claim pretending they never they never did one thing that was in chrome I stand client so I did not belong to any party the descendants I mean the people who put out the PMP there are certain people who are predominantly in the PN seats they are a bit late even today they still have that particularly Jensen would call it command center from the inspiration they take and the thinking that kuma is the best procedure of letter country and its ideals I was led the plot it's even today I'm surprised you are only mentioning PNC and you're not to mention in CPP because you have not contested because the CPP is not really the element people the lemon people by the symbol by the operations are clearly the PS did you see what the problem is that when you single out amongst people reminds there was a stranger to the PMP before slot you was nervous with any other suggestion in literature that actually backs disclaim I'm surprising Arvind yeah a B point B to 1 mmm point me to one I don't I off the top of my head I would not I got your point but he you'll read properly yeah it was more Rogalla when they said yeah I'm arugula could not lead because he had been disqualified that he brought chili man okay by your sled especially disqualified that climate as I don't have the problem over there okay what I'm trying to say that so when you say any man is as if the man was a force of his own and that was one of the problems of that so you have this a view in 1979 yes of course that don't be a reason why if you're opposed to the ruling party because you saw that the first state doesn't belong to the ideological leaning that he says he belongs you yes it's a very good reason for them to look my you and you suck you to start you're not sucking necessarily yeah so I'm sorry okay so based on which competence were you actually in quick-witted 2d hawk I was recruited as a management trainee so they give you training for one year and you go to the various units Salus yeah serves production and others so after one year then you are confirmed if I found good enough but I wasn't they didn't confirm you they didn't confirm didn't promise you anything really excuse me yes technically you can save so Bidayuh performance or so so subpar that's why you elect especially since they used to call me to the managing directors office and warned me about my association with Joe Porto a desist from associating with the movement no I did not why was the June 4th movement relevant anyway I had the read to my political views I don't let me be play as only what was the jus fault movement stood to win when the Revolution was over no you for movement was just a name given to an organization of like-minded people who thought that a certain line of political opposition was useful and that if the country was developed along those lines it to be good for majority of the people but they have been inappropriate and out of line for inwards to think that mindful of the fact that this is a Jew what movement we know what happened in June 4th it was still some of you who thought that you were better at audibility rule no not necessarily look in Cuba for example Cuba in Cuba Fidel Castro's Cuba yes I see now there was an organization there was an event that took place around the 25th of July sometime in the 1950s before the Cuban Revolution and when they found that when the Castro guys later from the movement they call it the 25th of July Movement now that means that they want to take inspiration from them that's wrong it doesn't mean that I want to do a coup d'etat don't it doesn't mean they want to do it where the other members of this jihad movement a lot people you won't recognize them there was no other guy called en I don't know whether to feel comfortable me mention names but that is a fact of history yes a company there was the Union hey by the way what to be the chairman of the and this was a member of the usual member of one of the founding members of the I see and the way other the other friends who were there you know and what did you do you met to only have political conversations we had political discussions and discussed policy issues to what end - I don't understand what you mean by - were so maybe I will answer your question before you ask me another question hahaha no when you have an organization you think especially politically minded you think that if society is organized along these lines it would be useful so because of that you go you study among yourselves you read you organize other people in the communities and things like that so when you say to what end to the end that probably would hope that in future you'll be able to mobilize more people into our side of thinking that was that end to which the world now my question to what end was did you want to form a Pollock or party if eventually it was useful it was what it was approaching to form a political party we will have at that time we were not so you're saying that because we according to the office of the dam managers of what the college give hug then and they ask you to renounce your membership of this group and this is from engaging them that's why is your removal from office or their refusal to give you a permanent employment in the institution was purely political it was it was political and those days anybody who knew about it knew who sucked you he mega samatha yarmulke was the director of personnel personnel whenever the managing director used to call meet with office he called major aqua and a lot of points major aqua agreed with so much aqua actually was the henchmen you see removing political positions no no you did not listen to what I said I said most of the time major arcana agreed agreed with me yes okay so was he carrying other instructions by mind meant by letting you go he was he was just coming out on instruction yeah I mean you a decision to suck people will have been major quasi decision unless you wanted to resign okay now we will take a break when we come back from this break we will take a break from the PAF RC period dumped into the PLC period happy and disappeared and get honest on why a man who was fully in support of went out there to be in support of and fought for the Tedford zimba coup d'etat ended up opposing along the line after his working UO come back with this affront my guest today is a man who support about the FRC in 79 and the PN DC in 81 ffs what for it Malita fell out with the leader of the pn DC that's the crux of our conversation today and reaction a question did the Revell issues properly so called oh I mean as Dubois titled didn't live up to expectation did they write distill of corruption did they put power in the hands of the ordinary people that's who I'm speaking to today mr. Kris you do is still here with us you're come say thank you and again let me switch to the other side so you give me the basis for joining the FRC and believing some of the things that they did and also you've given the reasons why the lemon comment really was not going to survive and many other things that happen in the thoughts and while you supported the change in any way I gave you only one aspect of my support just to get away from the fact that but but with the with a view that oh it was only pursuing personal okay no it's all the way other factories yes please do let's hear the other factors some of us I believed that it was important to have an order of type of society in which ordinary people will be able to effectively but in decisions that affect them and the the political structure or the political institutions at the time did not support those those sort of principles now it was not because it was live man or it was PNP or it was anything it was just the structure that had been put in place so we thought let us have an organization that will organize along the lines so that we could create a society in which the conditions that make the conditions that make one person improve will be the same conditions that will make other people also improve that was the reason for belonging to that organization and then and that we thinking that the PNP government at that time was not living up to those so with your appearance that I didn't live up to those ideals no I didn't know because it didn't like you from the one I was not usual going to ask me personally I was not surprised that it didn't you have to give up because that's how it started the way it was starting that's how it looked like and that's why I didn't join any party okay now let me move on let me get this point also clarified from where you say then it happened the Telford is a Baku we US patent it like I said yes I got snipers that it was going to happen here how close were you to those who put it together I was close to some of them but they didn't tell me did he tell you but because I was close to them I got I an idea that something was happening how instrumental for example was mrs. Wallace to the coup d'etat I have not aware that she was instrumental in any way she didn't play in the world no really no that's contrary to what she asserted in several pub can you coach me in Delhi teacher [Laughter] I mean she was instrumental to role in it she actually had people who supported it spoke to people in support of a pending changed no when you talk about after the event had taken place is different from before the event that's why I would i just wanted clarification on whether you mean preparation for it prepares you for it no I don't think so not at all I can tell you so okay by little she found the dead face f you did not form it is about west by the 31st December humans movement was formed by people like you said you live for a makuta Danka and others they then invited her as the wife of the pn d c-- chairman to be the patron pedro pedro those letters she sucked all of them and [Laughter] sometimes there's balance of power okay the balance of power was not in favor of those other people's they had to they had to give how close were you to cha Morales day to a large extent oh I was closed is that what were you doing in connection with him is it justice we were originally we invited him to join the judge no in the June 4th movement yes and then as time went on you became friends so there were a lot of things I used to go to their house was there a lot of the time when especially when I got sacked from gieok if I wasn't organized in June 4th movement I will be in the house I I was quite close oh that's interesting did you play any specific role in in his life as in when he was little the pnd see in his life yes when he became leader the pianist know at what point I did you fall out with the camera rolling well I was um I was still an activist organizing people's defense committees and other things you have hot on Lucifer's cavities yeah I was part of the interim national coordinating committee of the Defense Committee attacking people's properties for no reason the UI UI you ain't turning justice around and saying I don't know where you are proving guilty on today actual prove otherwise I don't know where you got that from it's not the fact office yes can I correct you even because there's enough evidence to suggest that why is the evidence is when we tried this point you are confusing the IC with something else I'm saying that for example Paul Nugent who wrote on Canyon history joined a group who is Paul Newman with a local agent the American writer who is compatible so we sit sit here and let other people read our history the history Sciences yes did not confiscate any property I can tell you if Paul Nugent or whoever he is said that he's lying but they should tell me one property identities which one if cui ganyan you live here Paul Nugent lived here but it doesn't leave you anymore yeah he said I insist seize properties which one my sister says you know that I'm of course you defend it because you're a part of it so my question to you is then how did you fall out with the chairman of the pnd see when you seem to have been a very good idea today and thinking behind it PN DC Virgin twos June 1982 June yeah getting towards June 1982 some of us who work in either with the iron CC or who belongs to the leadership of the dufort movement were beginning to tell the government the PNG see it is time to stop the shouting and think about the economics of the country how the country is going to practically move forward instead of continuing searching we are having a revolution and things like that then what would you say that in the first place because you will not have a revolution by certain alone you will have a revolution if you practically put things in place that would transform society so you are going about making speeches and noises alone will not change the size and your body enough to say this is the P and this each other yep we were able to say that I see you in the do photo mix we in the you for not me personally okay okay so at that stage they became yet a lot of things happen in those days and sometimes even among some of the they are supported soldiers they were not happy with the things that were other things happened as a result of that within their ranks but then they started the economists and the expects started telling them that the country is going bankrupt not next month so you have to run to the IMF this was in June by June July that I started okay so we started saying look so we have an alternative here because this thing I am everything we are followed it for a long time it hasn't taken us anyway so you pause over to the IMF yes so shall we have an alternative in which we'll be able to open real organized or governors our resources and also would help from elsewhere sometimes you can you government so we said no we shouldn't at some stage he said bring the alternative so we formed the committee to bring the alternative and even before the committee completed he said there is no alternative and he went to them oh so before your committee completed this work it wasn't elephants is that at that time I think we support a cause see what you are yes and he proposed the IMF option I don't know who proposed I am a fox I knew that the P NDC was dealing with diarrheal of the ideas you thought Ciavarella's had if you look at his speeches before 31st December and if you look at his species just after 31st December that was a bit tradable and the very fact that those IMF conditions created so much hunger and mr. Olens was saying base bed it will improve up to now things have been improved as you know has a simple but those were hard bullets that you had to bite for the future yes we but we beat the bullets that people are gonna beat the bullets the better future this is come I would still know improving things by the way I don't think so you know you me from where you're sitting you may think so I don't think so on a lot of ordinary people do not think so mmm now let me ask you this question so it was because of these differences on how the country should be run that's how I fell out with them tomorrow yes we fell out but some of us have to be very careful here some of us thought that look let's continue to build on the people's defense committees and the workers defense committees until they are strong enough to stand on their own because at that time the balance of power was with the soldiers okay okay so and mr. Rollins was then looking or the p-n DC leadership was then looking for excuses to get rid of us really yeah and it just happened that some of our people fell for that and may give him the excuses to to smash all of us the people that you study the revolution with 81 what is the same people who run affairs get into the end of the revolution rather the there was none of them apart from you can talk about like I have told you that Pataki was a member of the movement yeah is the only one probably I can see from the beginning of December that offense 1981 to the time that mr. Rawlings handed over the only one you're the only one left is the only one left how come all of you left there are various visits sometimes you leave because you think you give up and say there is no hope in working with this group because you do not achieve what we want to achieve sometimes you have to escape in order to save your life okay so now exponent coffee writes of a scenario where your very good self others including himself have gathered in the higher boughs residence or somewhere somehow and were chased by military men led by the PNC Germany so it is true we're not cheesed okay let me explain what happened 24th November coup attempt are taking place yeah okay in the morning the pn d c-- chairman went on radio and television to give a broadcast now where they above abstain we were about six other people wasted in there with him and then it became a center for people to just come and have a conversation and do things people like explore who had come from the water region that denied the day before could not go because of the activity coup attempt accumulate so they stayed the night with us and in the morning some other people came like the of the tribunal they also came there now mr. Rowland had gone to give broadcast so when he was coming going back to Burma camp in the helicopter people were in the compound said that Rawlings was passing by because we could see them that door was open and we were waving I myself I was in the in the room and I had just my trousers on so I came out and I was waving to then they helicopter turn back and then landed in the next house and sue just popped out of the helicopter and asked everybody to be on his knees we were on dia knees with a machine gun that was retardo among with him there was patenting along among with him and some two other soldiers and we could have died that day they didn't kill you they did not kill anybody then no they arrested some of our friends they grabbed some of our friends on to get arrested no I was only asked by Rawlings to follow him into the house he was looking for guns I was looking for guns yeah I thought you were planning a coup I think that when some people were talking about who and things like that they some people might have talked about guns hiding guns okay possibly and I hear that one of the people who was among them used to report every time to mr. Lester I didn't know it okay so when he came asking me and took me to the house asking me where are the guns I was confused I didn't know about any ghosts right the guns no um I did I wasn't aware that oh it goes let me also be very careful with this one it was later after Roland's searched the house and left they we found one gun behind a curtain okay but that can't belong to one copper Doherty who was there in the night but he thought it wise to join Rollins's people so when they finally were coming for him he left the guns so that he doesn't go and face them holding the gun was this was the last show that broke the camel's back with your relationship with Tom Hollis it will not have been the last row but it looked like mr. Rollins was now saying that we were plotting the coup against them okay and for me personally I found it very offensive because I did know I was not aware that you were plotting my best let me be clear on this particular one um they're talking things out to ask you those people you were in this movement with you in the struggle and also in the activism mode with didn't have them lose their lives yes who this one called comedy man what happened to him he he was arrested I am before I left the country I told Carmen that it to be good for him to leave the country because he knew some people outside I didn't know anybody and he was he was the first person I went with on the morning of 31st December to go to Canton man so firm to bring our younger branch of the Newport movement out to demonstrate in support because they were on the farm harvesting cassava okay.come admin was very Pro PN DC but because he worked with us he was considered an enemy later so they arrested him so when the June 19th jailbreak came he also got out but I don't know whether we can call it naivety or something or trust instead of running away from the country he didn't under grabbed him and shot him and killed him you run away I left the country you can call it rather how long this day way or 22 years since to good yes you know now my last question to you is that the is you believe a lot in journalist you did do you think that the journalist she knew proud to the killing of these generals and all of the public accountability talk and the great things that he did in the period is the same rolling today and whether anything has changed and what are you have still followed him if he asked you to do today no why because news the same person I thought you was what do you think he was and what is you know what was very somebody who held for ordinary people in the street and will be interested that they also got really to participate in decisions affecting their lives in terms of government even if at the local level and tests like that by the time he left office the people were nowhere near power and now these days he talks about probity and accountability whatever that means as if that was the reason why he said he came to power but it is possible he came to power because of that but he didn't tell us hmm yeah so no he's not the same person was a kind of the generous justified I think on our side it wasn't not at all no the people who did it what they justified in the thinking that you had to read this is our corruption I don't know them so I won't be able to speak for them mess up and we should have this conversation consistently again and my guest today was Chrissie do he just remember the Socialist Worker Ghana you go on he was with the Revolution fell out at the end of the day with the P and D chri Rowland's a lot of the life we talked history from 1979 don't forget today some years ago generals in this country violates different ones who were killed in our attempt to rid the nation of corruption thanks for watching today's edition [Music] [Music]

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Length: 51min 51sec (3111 seconds)

Published: Wed Jun 27 2018