Bishop George Bloomer interviews Bishop Carlton Pearson - www.bishoppearson.com

you're not an unholy man not on righteous man like you're not a godly you just taken over by a spirit you're crazy me that that's what your Nebuchadnezzar of the 21st century I said that to myself but Nebuchadnezzar was never hold nothing that was illegal can follow me to my next level my god prophetic is coming to you I know God forgives me if I sin I confess to God and he forgives them so why do I hide it from people because I don't believe they will forgive me like you tonight I'm here at the Pearson estate I believe that this is going to be an interview of interviews over the past few weeks we have had some phenomenal phenomenal individuals on the show they call the special presentations tonight we're going to have a discussion with what with what I call one of the princes of Pentecost classical Pentecostalism an author a teacher a father a preacher's Jordan heir a bishop bishop Carleton Pearson tonight in your wonderful wonderful wonderful house apartment pin house god is good now I'll give you a little joke when I was walking down the hallway to come in and I rang the doorbell to come into the to the apartment I started to pray we're so humbled on the outside then the door opened up and I was gonna pray for you on the outside of the door but when I walked in here I thought maybe you should pray are you doing I'm great excellent excellent well well well you are and so many people out there is wondering how you're doing and I just believe that this is going to put to rest a lot of their thoughts concerning you every show that I do I like to get to started off by playing a little word game I call it word for word I'll actually give you a word you tell me the first thing that comes to your mind you don't have to explain it long but the first thing comes you might I got my blue folder with me and I'll pull off my notes and we'll start out I believe it would be gonna be fun you ready ladies yes sir all right look Pentecostal me I always first thought Pentecostal Church of God in Christ Church gotten crazy oh wow University Oral Roberts intelligence Leonard love it that name just popped in my mind because he was in the Church of God in Christ he astounded me with his intellectualism he taught it over you and is a very brilliant man friend John De Stijl it's my best friend she pays for my doctor she adopted forgiveness the whole Kay instantly Calvary popped in my mind that's that's the whole crux of my whole message of inclusion is the forgiveness of God expressed through Christ on the cross wisdom Charles Harrison Mason for some reason I always thought in this wise counsel from God hell the image I've always had of the devil was a horned hoofed pointed tail beast part man partner I never had that scary thought in my mind when I thought of help that when I say hell I immediately see that image that I had as a kid it's a false image but it's the one I've had all these years of the devil okay well let's do Hell again hell the devil hell fire hell Herald fire hell's now I keep sending those kids that I come here I saw those the family the mothers and the children coming back from Rwanda to Uganda and I got a picture of hell when I was watching the television program the one that they talk about the dateline show that was an image that that I've never forgotten hell would be that image divorce court I see you not sure somebody's going to make it a waiting room you know in somebody that's on the street that just lost everything those are experiences now that I associate with he'll redeem Christ that associate that terminology with my traditional thinking of Jesus covenant relationship with a Jewish Church the first terms of covenant always makes me think about the covenant that we all always believed God had with Israel Church my Church of God in Christ Jackson when World Church of God in Christ in San Diego California the church I was raised in I could see the steeple that beautiful pink building that Bishop Blake J Blake built in 1959 that was like for blue collar workers black folk to build a church like that in 1959 and pay for it he did it my grandmother chicken dinners and we sold dinners to to build that church and that's the image I'll always have black church right across town there was one called Church of Israelite church garden crash that's the my grandmother was that was that was the church mother and I saw that more of a black church for some reason then in Jackson our church in that something yeah lonely me the last few years it's been a an aspect of loneliness I didn't know existed because everything that I knew is familiar and sweet and supportive and cuddly was gone all my relationships that had been nurtured for 50 years so would you say that loneliness is a word that has to be redefined for you yes not not not loneliness in the sense that there aren't people to do things with and who want to do things with but the Alumnus the part where you feel separated not separate but separated from any and everything else love God unconditional love of God which I'm revisiting in which which I have redefined because I saw it first in the context of the religion I've embraced but now I see the love of God it's much more Universal much more expensive much more inclusive but God whatever image I have of God it's based in love which brings me to my next word God infinite reality now this this imminent reality yeah yeah it's some ultimate in the farthest reaches of consciousness there is this this powerful reality or intelligence not just a person but a persona of strength and reliability and confidence based in love I no longer see the bearded white man looking like Einstein sitting on a throne with sagging off all the time no I did that that's a fair atelic look that here but now that God the intelligence of being of knowing seems to me the vibrations of the universe all that is the ambience of some ultimate divinity some ultimate deity but there is a God oh yes absolutely absolutely without without doubt without question without question perpetuity god infinity that means without finish without end some ultimate in again the farthest reaches of the deepest recesses of self or soul there is something beyond that which stops when you look up to the sky you can't see where it ends we think the Sun does 93 million miles away because they told us that we don't really know it but we just believe it in fact we we believe a whole lot more than we know we don't know that much we just believe too much usually much yeah so when you look up but that way you can see what you call the horizon that's why least I think the world is flat now we believe it's round but when you look up you can't see anything unless there's a cloud or a moon or some planet that you can see but beyond it if we can see if they tell us the Sun is 93 million miles away we don't know how much farther our vision can go beyond that at least we can see 93 million of us that interesting so when I say farthest reaches infinity time and sight out of mind divorce it's a frightening word yes it's right word but also it's a it's it's a it's a consoling work as you think of escapism from an obligation for years as a single man I taught from the seventh chapter Corinthians we're all talked about it's easier to serve God without distraction if you're not married when you're married legitimately you must divide your your loyalties with that that's that's pretty interesting because if I take at face value value what you just said then marriage is a distract it's a form of idolatry in one sense because you if you associate it particularly with having children the first person at first Idol of gods you have are your parents generally second could be your spouse and/or your children you almost worship them when that little boy came out his mother's will my wife I just I I was I cry but also I was also repented because I had never felt that I worshiped another human being but when they put him in my arms I was I was very reverent very worshipful because I thought I'd never have children thought I'd never be married um homosexuality the number one civil rights issue of the day the human rights issue of the day I used to really I would say civil rights also yeah yeah civil and human Hume civil human rights issue because the the church of course as you know is full of same gender loving people some of our most active ministers or ministries are influenced heavily by some same gender loving person who does the music takes us into the presence of God writes the lyrics of the songs directs the program maybe in the pulpit but there is a preponderance of gay people in the church that we've noted for years with not a small amount of judgmentalism and and disdain they used to say go why would you why would you use a gay person and get put such an anointing on them and they can sit at the piano of the organ not always that case but very often and take us into your presence I thought you wouldn't use an unclean vessel you know we had all these terminologies of course that's back the conditioning of my thinking in the day when we denounced gay people as being promiscuous and somewhere of course but then you got a lot of heterosexual straight preachers that's got baby streets dressed across this country sleeping with everything and everybody and the older I've become the more mature I and the more broader my my my view and vision of the church has been and I think homosexuality is the big pink elephant in the room that we don't like to talk about and yet as the Church's position is Don't Ask Don't Tell when I started realizing what some of the powerful men and women that I have such a wholesome respect for when they're humaneness became evident to me and sometimes they weren't hiding they wanted me to know I was stunned I was disappointed but disappoint me doesn't mean an appointment I was I was because I'm passing and praying and seeking God like they taught me you say disappointed doesn't mean an appointed yet just because you're disappointed that of me you lose your appointment yes destiny or life or the ministry even when you're disappointed in yourself you don't lose your appointment I had accept the fact that dentists get cavities and mechanics cars breakdown and oncologist staff cancer and cardiologists drop dead with heart attacks sometimes we are affected by the so-called diseases or diseases we are treating as ministers yes doesn't mean a dentist gets cavities as a bad dentist it's just he's so busy working on everybody's dentures he missed his own so we keep hearing these stories that happen and then we associated homosexuality with then I thought was talking to a group of Christian homosexual preachers and bishops not long ago and one of the points I brought up was when a kid when it came to same-sex marriage that was so absurd because you couldn't get married and you had a gate people couldn't be married it didn't even cross our mind just a few years ago that anybody ever talked about a man marrying a man or a women marrying a woman so if they're if their attraction is to the same sex that meant the only way they will fulfill those to be fornicated same-sex marriages now Radek eighths the fornication situation it brings about a monogamy I'd rather see to be honest with you I'd rather see two women into a covenant monogamous relationship or two men rather than them hitting these bars and doing these I've had Christians who speak in tongues come to me with tears streaming down their face Bishop we don't have a place we don't we used to bars and partying and all that good but I'm still same-gender loving but I love the Holy Ghost I love Jesus I love the worship I love preaching out of the word what do I do with myself what are you going to do with me Julien throw us all away and it was offensive at first and it was frightening but then I kept listening kept listening until I could hear their heart and the hurt and then offer some hope so after doctors lawyers and too many powerful people I just come to the conclusion maybe we're missing it somewhere pity well happened talk about gays that's one thing I got pitiful just pitiful but pity I started having pity when my one of my children's godparents told us he was gay and he was the kindest sweetest gentlest most generous person I had met one of the ones one of the most kind of known he wept my wife and I wept but we never changed our attitude Tory he's still very prominent in our lives he's still my son's God probably so but I had I had compassion but there also had a lot of sympathy around I I felt pity for him why because he was afraid we were going to reject him it was trembling he thought we were going to cut him off and cut him out of our lives should he be cut off no absolutely shouldn't be cut out of your life absolutely not why not he is as close to me as any friend I've ever had he's as close to me as a family member and I don't believe that Jesus the example of the adulteress I'm saying about the daughter of the example adulterers he did he protected her from those religious right-wing people who would have killed her he stood between her and the stones even though the scripture says thou shalt not commit adultery so do you see yourself as a person who is called to stand between the victim and the stones yes yes I wish there was somebody who just did it to me and his dog but yes I do I don't think there was someone that stood between you and stones no no the church the church and when I realize how quickly the church dismissed me and could do so just sort of almost overnight I thought well I wasn't that valuable to them because they didn't fight to keep me even a call from a one of my peers to say doc are you okay you don't have to change I just want to know are you about to blow your brains out how things happen when you and your wife are you paying your bills you can use $500 you need any help none of that kind of stuff and I've done that to so many people who got in trouble so that shows you the value you don't have and it has to make you re-evaluate yourself when we come back I want to talk to you for a few moments about who is Carlton Pearson and maybe even have a little bit more discussion about pity you pity pitiful pitiful me back in a moment call me go on rejoice in the word ever get up there and go to your ritual where when I pass it for a it's eager and get up there and there's nothing there and I'm standing before a giant that's my biggest fear now that giant with you might have been drugs or something some substance to me it's the stand before the crowd or one person and I can't feel my help and I'm there talking in blowing hot air and no Holy Ghost if I in all these things that people have said about me being heretic and an endtime false prophet listen that means nothing to me the only thing I've ever feared and that I know how to fear more than a gun already is to lose that intimacy I have the presence of God the desert I couldn't discern the little God I couldn't sense the presence of God then I'm a did that's the only thing you're on this planet period everybody we see what folks don't know is that as far as the Okeanos just can't race the human race they trace us all back to the continent of Africa the oldest living skeletal remain a human being is a woman an African woman they call her Eve so actually we were all black at one time that is a until Cain sin and he turned some I'm white but up until the end of it all just before the breaking news talking about pity and there's a few more words that I want to get into before we go to who is carlton sanctification to two things come in my mind first of all I saw a holiness dressed woman what I call whole address from the psychiatrist dressed below the knees sweet little hats that little homely looking thing which I thought I remember the little girls our girls did not wear makeup and when I was a teenager and I hated lipstick or any any facial stuff except you know they are strata they were I just thought they were the most beautiful women on the planet my little oldest girlfriends I would see those same girls today and they've all got a makeup on but holding this at scientific ation to me at that time and I still have that connection the association with my upbringing for generations classical Pentecostal church regarding Christ preacher sanctification was a way of being had nothing to do with with eternal life in this it was more of an appearance now of course I understand much more depth to that term but when you say the word my flesh to them holding this woman please white dresses or earth shoes in the prairie dog usually homemade dresses all may dresses Wow crooked hemlock but it was it was sweet now your second thing is what the word actually not meaning perfect but being separated to God for purpose so working to be pleasing to God well separation from from common Ness the word peculiar belonging to God or Hagios in Hebrew for Greek for holiness means separated to God for purpose so that's a more theological and it's really a more scriptural definition of scientific ation so both of those because I came to that realization when I was in college I I still make those two associations initially it's my hole in this church background we were the holiest people that on the planet I thought I wanted to leave that for my grandmother and my mom and all those but then I understood the word and it was a little bit more relaxing for me to realize it didn't it wasn't a list of it wasn't a moral code it was a code of consciousness and covenant with God about who you are relationship to God influence I think mostly of the and I was always drawn to men 20 to 30 years older than me and they had the greatest influence on my life from my parents of course nobody usually has more influence than your own parents but my pastor Bishop Jay a Blake who licensed me at 15 ordained at 18 and went right out of his hands into Oral Roberts who who became my mentor occasionally my tormentor mm-hmm because he really trained and stretched me and I felt a high sense of respect for those types of influences in my life they were prominent and my godmother who still she's 87 she I went to rock on revivals with her she had a lot of influence I mean of course my own parents and my grandmother who died when I was 10 years old I saw her reading your Bible and studying and so there were a little sweet little sweet simple people most people normally in relation to Oral Roberts but some of the people that had the most profound were the people I met when I was two and three four and five years old some of them were just a little sweet Saints with big old crooked wigs and big dentures and crooked stockings and you know yeah run over shoes I remember those and loved it revelation of course the book pops into my mind instance instantly but as I real as it relates to me the unveiling that's what the word actually means pulling back the veil revelation the fellow Latin apocalypse didn't agree but to do for me it is the the disclosure or really instead of the uncovering the recovering of Who I am it's self-actualization the revelation of who Carleton Pearson is not the one who is impersonating who everybody wants him to be and not the imposter that I learned how - to Matt to master but the revelation of who I am and who I am not too powerful personal disclosures so are you are you an impostor I have been an impostor in the sense that I was impersonating who I thought people wanted me to be for my parents to my strict holiness upbringing you know you better watch out you better not cry but I've gotta tell you why either Santa Claus with Jesus Christ is coming to town the Second Coming you don't want to get caught with your work undone do what I tell you to do that whole mentality I leaned on that structure and was accountable to it and felt that my eternity my eternal life rested on in that so whatever that had to be I denied myself Who I am where you could act very good I mastered it I think most pulpit tears are good performers and who are some of your fellow thespians just about everybody know you know we have our preacher voice our preacher choice our preacher way of doing things in our community hot dog how'd you do how many weren't in God bless you you know that the things that's why they want to be a bishop for so long because my image of a was god bless Tricia Sonya how y'all doing you know that kind of thing and I was young wanted young and stealing for yourself a single that yellow and the bishop leadership I eat a host of their organ is Irish no ball loves guns wow they were trying to get me to be a bishop when I was in my 30s and single I didn't get married till I was 40 I said no way I thought it was restrictive so you have images and you live up to those images now one of the things I try to do is because I was so young and called it really I'm not had been called I started acting old because old people said board the hand of the Lord is on you obey guard be good son so you don't feel that old was a transfer or a deposit of of an old spirit in the young vessel you know how the old folks who say he'd been here before as an old spirit they said that about me do you believe it yes when I went to Africa as I said I've been here I know these people when I go into the townships in South Africa when I went into the jungles of Nigeria or Kenya when I went back into the backcountry I when I said I stood actually in a slave dungeon on the West in Ghana several of them between t-post along there I I remember thinking was I here why do I relate and I was weak I could feel the pain I could smell the stench of decaying flesh or buren or blood or fecal matter of sweat and it was like I had been there you know when when when Jesus who do people say the Son of Man is and they said you're a reincarnation of John Baptist or Isaiah or Jeremiah what's office he didn't denounce that yes or deny because that was part of what they thought they believed in reincarnation so I believe in pre incarnation and I suspicion reincarnation when I say pre incarnation I believe that where Jeremiah courts got I said before I formed you I knew before you had formed carnal form yet before you were incarcerated or incarnated in this physical costume you were spirit yeah we're not just human beings looking for spiritual experience we are spirit having an earthly encounter we have a mind we have a body but we are spirit so spirit is limitless so that's why when I went to China I could relate to the Chinese when I went to Africa I could relate to the damn kids when I preached in Wales and way up in Scotland I felt Scottish of course my last name is Pearson who is Carleton Pearson still learning who he is because I I was the pastor in the evangelist first and the preacher and the little Boy Wonder and all the titles people gave me was I think bishop until I turned 50 and lost everything and I thought maybe even me that I I recovered an aspect of myself that I had neglected or ignored and I was free and I'm not used to being free and freedom is not for cowards this incredible rush of emotion with all things the things falling around me friends and my own ministry and my life freedom is not for cowards not for cowards you cannot be that's the one Paul said God has not given us a spirit of timidity he said fear but the word in greek is timidity or cowardice timothy was timid knee making is a little sickly and positive not like Titus Titus was a go-getter you know aggressive but Timothy was kind of timid he was part Greek part Jewish and he had a sort of a weakness about him a fear he was faithful but Paul said God has not given us the spirit of fear but of power love is online or self discipline so to be free you have to have self-discipline that's what sound mind are you are you free I'm free you've never been this free mother I didn't know I could be this free I could sit with anybody I'm not intimidated by anybody from a bishop to a pauper do you recognize freedom yes am I free you're one of the freest creatures I know and I think your honor your honor you're going you're moving in warp speed toward freedom you're not intimidated by me you're not afraid of me I don't mean I think you're afraid of you anymore you're not afraid of fail you're gutsy you are challenged and you like the challenge you're highly motivated you could have been a dead man but it but you there's something and girls on something down in me telling me legally that sang that go ahead go ahead you you and there's a fearless coming and you're an example to other so watching no you don't know motivation is no I think my motivation is my motivation is my deep fear of something that I seen happen to others like death in a hotel room all alone by yourself snorting cocaine or shooting up my entire battle and struggle through all of my life and I've been free from any substance abuse for 26 years now but it doesn't stop me once a month going to the classes and following up on that Wow there is a culture within the Christian world that have somehow or another embraced that lifestyle and it is out of control yeah and so what motivates me is fear of that happening and being out of my body looking back at my children they're crying because their dad is gone prematurely they're embarrassed and they're alone those those those those are the things that are you know what I'm always fascinating with people who have genuine testimonies of having come from something into Christ or into holiness I never I didn't backslide what we're what I would have called back I didn't know anything about drugs or alcohol though I had uncles and family members it just that was just something that never interested me never had a fear of it affects Latin I didn't have a fear drugs III never have her drugs I had a fear of losing my anointing that's the selfish part of it wasn't that I was so moral and so holy I was afraid if I failed God that he would win David I can hear David praying and Miss Kuhlman he's just said I beg if you take down to thy Holy Spirit to this day that those words haunt me what if I stood before the people and there was no presence of God the scripture said that Samson used to shake himself before he do these great feats one day after compromising and having this haircut he shook I was a shake with no quake you ever get up there and go through your ritual where when I fasted prayed so you got get up there and there's nothing there and I'm standing before a giant that's my biggest fear now that giant with you might have been drugs or some substance to me it's the stand before the crowd or one person and I can't feel my help and I'm there talking and blowing hot air and no Holy Ghost if I in all these things that people have said about me being a heretic and an endtime false prophet autism that means nothing to me the only thing I've ever feared and that I know how to fear more than a gun or anything is to lose that intimacy I have with God the presence of God the desert I couldn't discern the will of God I couldn't sense the presence of God then I'm a did that's the only thing you're on this planet still to come on rejoice in the word I could barely get to thee to the questions that I have written down at the pit because when you talk you thoughts come out what you say is Colton Pearson lost no Carlton Pearson is wandering and wondering because life is a mystery the soul is gone his Carlton Pearson saved I just finished preaching I walked up and down the aisles preaching be sober be vigilant for your adversary the devil walking around like a roaring lion seeking whom you made a power resisting man I'd preach like a man from another world and got shot there's as big as that and on the benefit of man you know where I got shot in Oakland earthquake company country you know God to the Auvergne a burden swallowed that Don let me going about my business but no he let him shoot me show me in that finger shot me man but here in the chest point-blank range where it would have killed me you know the story bounced off my chest like rocks didn't even break the skin the boom and bullets just hit me I thought my god I thought I've been shot with a pellet or BB that's what I told the doctor when they got me to emergency I said they got up I said don't worry about I wasn't even gonna go they wrapped my hand up blood was down my arm that little deal and on the way on I said how long so quickly oh they we just got some new uniforms with the girls Helen ensued and they looking in they match my breeches of real national and of course I had paid for them we had very little and we got them nice little wool gray and I said oh Helen girl utøya jacket I didn't realize it was a gunshot wound and she said well sure appeared she didn't know until we got this part of her arm was hanging out they would with it with a bullet shut not and went in her she needed prayer little more bounced off me I said we've been shot with pellets and Vivi's is to know said your secretary the first thing I said was how's Helen he said well the bullet went through her arm I said excuse me he said the bullet went through her armisen we were shot with bullets he said oh yes sir we've got we've got the x-rays and we get the police officers had picked up some of the he said you've been shot with bullets come on oh my God thank you Jesus thank you some of y'all start speaking in tongues Allah will also jump up my back and I said Lord of all people to let get shot I can understand you letting Helen good job but not me there was a time in my life where I was preaching and shooting up at the same time he walked and I was shoot in the vein in my toe and had my hair on and my my syringe my needle everything in my Bible next to my in the same cover my Bible bag and I went to a meeting this has got to be several years ago I had a relapse and in Oakland California and that Ernestine Reims Church and there and this young man was preaching that night and he preached out of Jesus going over to the other side Luke's Gospel account of it and he said and made this point about it when the psalm storm had ceased they were already where they were and I stood in that chair and I was weeping and crying because I was already where God since you sent me but I was in this storm and I got delivered that night and I remember going into the bathroom and taking the syringe and pressing it against the the whole walls all right hardly never picked it up again and that preacher was you when we went to do the Lexie show and they asked me to come ask me to come and challenge a Carleton Pearson I said yes but I wanted to come because I wanted number one to see you and to thank you for that and number two I wanted to go to st. Louis and number three I wanted to worry to pay for so I got all my wishes and oh right I wanted to find out whether the heretic a false cult leader the perpetrator the the treasonous preacher was what they was really really saying because I knew nothing about inclusion couldn't understand it didn't know anything about have read the whole book and couldn't understand what's going on want to come there and investigate this thing and many people are upset about stuff that they don't even know what they upset about yeah and so that's why I I came and I was quite disappointed in the recourse of of that night because I thought that we could have done something better and so tonight you know to him who looks the second time with the son of man appear so there's that second chance to talk about that but it just to say that to you so that I'm amazed that as fetes that you caught me off guard with that stir that really really touched me yeah yeah well you know Jesus Jesus goes to the ghost of the disciples and he says to the disciples you know he says this disciples meet up with Jesus Jesus on the boat he goes still kind part of the boat he goes to sleep on them and so why the disciples is in a greatest greatest storm Jesus is in the boat sleeping he gets up and he rebukes the wind and the calm comes and he says he breaks it where's your faith and we learn in Scripture that one good feet deserves another you know you reap exactly what you saw you're nice niceness will come to you but if you sleep on me when I'm going through my greatest trial rest assure when you go on to your greatest trial somebody will share it on you sure so Jesus on the night in which he was betrayed is in the garden praying and the disciples is sleeping on him he gets up and goes over to them and says you know why don't you get up and same thing they said carrot down not that we perish he's saying to them I'm the worst night of my night well you pulled me out of the anointing of the Holy Spirit out of my worst time and then you just said just there while that took you back in time I don't know well I'm here to shake you like you shook me you should make sure you bend your needle against that hard one yes you got that here I walk out of here delivered everybody has a needle it is everybody has an anecdote everybody has something that addresses their hurt we develop coping mechanisms behavioral modifications and ultimately pain management's how do I manage my pain when you hear of a preacher and I knew Zach talked to me about a month before he died and I heard a desperation is wasted I need to come I love you respect you I need to come to Chicago and sit I deserve something but nothing like what happened and I had said that and you watch what I'm telling you you will see preachers this next year have public nervous breakdowns I mean I mean in the pulpit standing in the pulpit and just go off or publicly having breakdowns and and doing the strangest things there's a lot of preachers in the pulpits of the world who still have that needle the last thing that would have come across my mind is that have been anybody preaching in my audience with a needle I didn't have a concept of drugs or alcohol or deadening my senses I mean I fasted and prayed that's all we were taught to do that's not a holier than I I just had no concept at that time though I had uncles who are alcoholics holding his preaching uncles in my family my dad's brothers who who who heed my dad have to get up and sit him down in the pool because they go off hi I don't judge a person on what they do I judge a person based on what they were thinking ten minutes before they did it or maybe 10 hours or 10 days or sometimes 10 years stuff piles up piles up piles up that's why these kinds of lucid conversations are helpful to people we hurt we believe in an invisible being we call God and we we tell people we heard from him or it as if the voice was audible and we use oil and prayer and fasting tongues and whatever to get people delivered including ourselves and yet far more like a Benny Hinn crusade far more people get treated successfully and cured in hospitals than do a kneeling crusade I preached about that a few nights ago when the greater works anointing yeah and Jesus when he was around there was no chemotherapy there was no radiation treatment there was no neurosurgeons and he announces us the greater work shall you do then I said so today's the hospital of course it has get to the hospital yeah he was speaking to humanity yes not just the few data but to humanity we have seen more miracles in medicine in science and of course some of the early scientists or saw or inventors and creative genius like Newton or Galileo or castigated by the church because they got a revelation yes you know so that was what aura was trying to do Catherine II say please don't call me healing evangelist I'm not a miracle I have nothing to do with these miracles it's the Holy Spirit she felt so unworthy or all used to be very frustrated that he could lay hands on so many people one would get healed the next one wouldn't he never knew who was going to get he open lay his hands on thousands of people on one night he had a frustration constantly why would you say frustration well why was he frustrated he he never could understand the sovereignty of God why he would pray for this little boy was braum mother bring a little blind boy or deaf child and he would fill his faith and pray for them this one God would heal instantly two people down there's another little girl with her mother who's deaf or blind no miracle you think Jesus was frustrated like that I think so I think Jesus just didn't heal he healed everybody but Jesus was frustrated with it he sure didn't act it out he walks on the pool but there was a five porches of sick people heals one who keeps on walking well but his when he will the agony of Garden of Gethsemane his frustration with how long have I been with you guys not not all he when he first it over a miracle he was a frustrated over the fact that they weren't getting it and and and i can imagine jesus saying as they were taking him to the cross oh my god if I could have just yes convinced these people to love this wouldn't happen yes when he says father would be possible let this cup pass for me he's saying he's not what I was in the cowardice statement if it be possible let us persuade and convince these people that this is not necessary that you don't require bludgeoning somebody to love that forgiveness us much deeper than staves and crosses and stuff I could barely get to the to the questions that I have written down and prepared for you because when you talk you thoughts come out of what you say is Alton Pearson lost no Carlton Pearson is wandering and wondering because life is a mystery so is gone it's Carlton Pearson saved yes sir and not only saved calm Pearson is safe I felt safe since I was five but I never felt safe with God so Carlton's not back sleep no no not back slidden not any struggling in holiness justice Carlton Pearson pray yes every single day and in tongues you pray in tongues yes why did you do that that's all I know I mean I've started speaking in tells when I was six years old why you know my life my mother taught us parents but my mother emphasized fasting I never make a decision without fasting and prayer mom used to say fasting for our two wins of the same birth we're that fast three days seven days 14 21 30 or 40 and I've done it all for the last fifty eight years of my life I connect with God at a level that that I don't often discuss how old is your mother no disrespect to 81 81 that is it if I mother 79 and my mother says prayer without fasting she's my mother believes that prayer and fasting those are two wings of a bird but prayer without fasting is a sputtering bird so if you pray but you don't fast you're flapping with one wing and you're going inside that you can only take flight when when there is prayer and fasting discipline well Muslims fast juice fast Buddha's fast Scientologists fast people connect with an ethereal earth earnest or ether nosov God when they fast it's it it does I can tell a fasted life I can tell when a person whatever the ritual is has connected with God even in the secretary setting somebody doing a speech Aretha was here in concert the other some weeks ago at the Chicago theater and I set up in my walk and I set up in the mezzanine it just suddenly right in the middle of a concert she went to church and I'm telling you the whole ago I not told her Sarita I almost jumped off that mezzanine of that balcony and ran around the room do you do that in all your concerts she said oh she was talking I was talking to roya on the phone from she Toronto she said oh we had I'm in Toronto at a Jazz Festival she said we have some church up in here tonight now she was quickening I almost think I heard her speaking arts because I don't know if she was quickening and dancing and it was an authentic presence of God and and it was so perfect in that setting she shifted from her secular song to that sanctified song and the crowd went with her and it was 60 percent non black which a lot of times is her audience so I'm watching the dynamics of energy all the good and perfect gifts come from from above Swagger's still because the the gifts in the callings without repentance they're irrevocable Swaggart still has an anointing when I hear him teach or suspect when I hear who sing I went to I call I went down to the first time you cut intro the second time I went Carmen and I went together I spoke with him I talked with him same with Jim Baker anybody that gets in trouble I've always looked out for people because you have an anointing on your life and the people watching preachers teachers advances missionaries whatever Tyler you go by you know whether or not you have the anointing you know whether or not you have the appointing you you must never deny yourself the curse with that is even if you fail and many have you are still called a preacher if only two people listen to you and 20,000 used to Amen hell is standing on that platform preaching under the same anointing with the same revelation and two hundred people are listing when when it used to be twenty thousand or two thousand yes so that's what we go to we must never give up on ourselves and the church is going to keep having calamities whether it's any long or anybody else until it wakes up to the issues that's confronting it why are we causing why have we created an environment where preacher will be shooting up and die in a hotel room by himself or carries needle in this Bible and have his own delivers or get DUI get arrested publicly while heading our healing ministry these things are going to proliferate until we'd say wait a minute what are we missing here how can we deal with and what are we missing we're missing giving license for human beings to be human human beings being human is not a sin human condition the human condition a human condition which is inescapable I don't care how anointed you are what is the human condition what is the inescapable human condition spiritual that we are spiritual sensual sexual and social beings and that our spiritual sensual sexual and social reality are entered inescapably inextricably connected how to balance your spirituality your sensuality or sexuality and your sociology any in a balanced dispersion how can I be spiritual central but my five senses see beautiful things including women how nice cars homes the beach a flower tree how can I sense things still be spiritual and then treat my sexual needs as a human being and my social my desire to socialize with other human beings and still be have a sense of morality of justice peace of balance of equity that's what we and it's not immoral and it's not a moral code written on a bunch of along with us that we have to always follow our hearts when when we come back I want to talk about the Carleton Pearson that was placed in exile and and talk about that okay what was your exile like still to come on rejoice in the word I can hear that people want me to action what's wrong with you why did you leave us when are you coming back we don't want God to to get you for your for your Gaza Liddy disobedience if not an unholy man not unrighteous man not you're not ungodly you just taken over by a spirit you crazy that that's what it is not your Nebuchadnezzar of the 21st century I said that to myself but Nebuchadnezzar was never holy does anybody have some in here tonight how the linger Hey the steel well I know that you ever wanna see you you this has been a wonderful wonderful discussion with the prince of pentecost attention that i should say are you holding on yet holding on me then you better keep on keeping on more vision can you imagine that's never going anywhere you know it's not it's not going I have more people asked like when you yet I want to know baby you guys keep on keeping all over the world all over the world see um exiled exiled after your after the Dateline hardcopy CNN that whole piece uh it was like in Compton went away was you banished to a to an island someplace what was your exile light what were you actually in exile your exile I could handle being xed out is what was traumatic because you you had built a culture or at least influenced a culture where I felt very much at home that I was very uncomfortable than that I was restless and bored successful by those standards I said in the meeting the next ten years with crowds and glory and power and Holy Ghost but I wasn't there I wasn't I wasn't mentally completely I would do my part and then I would go away and I was restless and I felt terrible about it so exile I was basically on my way there anyway so if none of this happened he was still on your way to exile yes I was I had said openly I I'm looking for a new audience to preach to and the Dallas Morning News was and the service I was in Dallas Texas when I said that that that guy wrote a story he's been back to me since he wrote a story the fall and rise of chrome Pierson were the Tulsa people said the rise and fall of krumpers but but what hurt the most was my own local congregation where where I had the strongest covenant you marry them you bury them you baptize them you counsel them when that left Dallas what I could take the other preachers outside but my inside focus so do you feel that your your your problems or your excommunication had anything to do with the people or did that to do with the leadership in Christendom well when the charisma magazine and the quote-unquote white church count came at me it wasn't as bad when when two prominent black preachers released public statements then it became open season and Carlton person from who from other preachers from other reach or the Czar as the leadership right because the people love you the people to this day yeah people don't pay that much attention and they forget quickly and forgive quickly yeah so I remember a Walter Hawkins funeral I was the last preacher to leave the auditorium I mean I couldn't get out of it because so many and the Pope with me from Chicago were shocked that this was they held my jackets and my coat and stuff until I shook every hand hugged every person feels so good to be loved again and and so I stayed there I literally they big old black Bentley picked me up preacher but I stayed there until I had affirmed everybody do you miss that oh my god of course I do so what wouldn't it what are you doing to get it back why I won't get that back get what back that that I had with that why are you so stubborn how long did back I don't I don't expect it again it that was for that day what elections question why you so stubborn stubborn yeah I'm not stubborn I'm just determined if I if I stop to go to play with words would be if I start turning and stubborn hate to say it's the same thing stubborn is what preachers are determine is what leaders the difference determined determined is is linguistics stubborn is bionics safeiy okay well no terminate the determine comes from being terminated yeah I I love Azusa I love holiness I love the Church of God in Brazil of Pentecostalism I'm honored when you say I'm a principal in aghast I used to call oral the Pope of Pentecost I wanted Pentecost to be pretty I wanted to become elegant and still maintain its power I still do because I see Pentecostals and as transcendence I love that transcendent virtue of people who knew how to move beyond where they were and create another reality that's what we did as Pentecostals are you crazy yes crazy how Paul said if I'm craziest for God if I'm if I'm beside myself it's for God because I'm asking those questions because I can hear that people want me to ask you what's wrong with you why did you leave us when are you coming back we don't want God to to get you for your for your there's a little disobedience you you're not an unholy man you're not unrighteous man you're not you're not ungodly you just taken over by a spirit you're you're crazy you that general that's what it has my people that your Nebuchadnezzar of the 21st century I said that to myself but Nebuchadnezzar holy I live for God wonderful I've always said it again Nebuchadnezzar was never holding per se one more time never kidneys it just the same three or four time was never right there you go he didn't have the virtues when you hear from God and all those my mentor I saw how thousands left him at one time when he shifted his emphasis even when he built the University and went out of attendance and then when he go at the hospital the kind of things he went through my mentors and if you study history heretics ultimately become heroes they they create movements that was not my intention but I'm seeing now that the collection of people are coming around what is heroic about this it this is globally impacting I impacted the church that mostly the fundamentalist Pentecostal church that world is really small compared to the wider reach jesus said I've sheep of another fold who are they where are they I've always wondered when are you coming back I'm not you will come to me before I company was that me people are now there are hundreds of preachers particularly looking and leaning toward what I call expanded consciousness but looking at the way I've interpret the scripture they've read some of my books and they're saying you know vision you make allows the icon I'm not quite ready to make the lead because I got to get a paycheck it's not a theological issue it's a business decision it would be wrong for me to do without what you're saying though I've thought about this for years even before you wrote it I thought so and I'm hearing that from a range for anywhere from guys in their 20s all the way up to their 80s so that's why I said freedom is not for cowards when you are locked into a legacy and a lifestyle in the tradition that makes money for you and a lot of these guys are more into money than ministry it's about the money anymore they fought when they were humble and young they fought they fasted and prayed and sonken got the anointing it now they're on top of the world but they're making good money they're worth money they can generate money they can raise money and they figure why give it up if everybody's going to heaven let them go whatever they make it with if everybody's going to have a little then that would be a an incentive a reason for them to gravitate to what you preach but the other part is they don't want to go through hell so I'm going to heaven but I wanted I want heaven on earth I want my rolls I want my Bentley I want my jet I want my mansion I want my tape it soon so you telling me you're telling me that we exempt Satan out of the out of the the message and we have no more church right if you cannot sell a ticket to heaven or buy one out of hell it's hard to do to raise money and people will pay it's a gamble casinos the Latin word for Casa Casa is 11 for house casino is a house of gambling churches is a house of guessing we go to pool there and I lovely reportedly though we do it every Sunday whether we say that or not you pull the lever tip got a tenth and I'm for tithing come this going to be the breakthrough service five give me tones of money in about seven days you have America it's a gamble because somebody gets one I can create an atmosphere and a service and talk faith and somebody's gonna get a breakthrough you can do it too were gifted to do it Michael J Fox told me when he when he visited me in Tulsa for two days he said there's something about you televangelists that I like I we in Hollywood like the model they called it it we call it the anointing big gift and a persuasive power to stand in front of a crowd and move them to their needs or to tears or to step whatever we do it's it's almost hypnotic and then to the prime suggestion we make them believe something that's part of faith that's what we do and we're good at it the bad ones don't make it we're good at it even if you got a store for are you good at I'm good at I'm a masterful at it I'm called to do it but are you doing it yes I'm doing it how are you doing it same way I did it before I started out with a small group following me when I started Azusa black folk didn't believe in me until the white man oh that or endorsed the Oral Roberts you know they didn't know they thought I had left when I left San Diego and went to oru the people that he unpacks it going down and being like the right people he's done that only royal Robertson program dance and his I heard all that heat and then he's orals gofer he's Earl's flunky he's a Tom I heard all this were you owes a gofer I was orals mentor read oral took me under his wing he said you have something you came here with what you had bishop Blake said son when you get down there and he didn't say auras there when the old man finds you on campus he's gonna want you and it's all right for you to go but don't leave us Wow don't forget us mother Barrett Cora Barrett put her arm around me she was our state supervisor woman she says son when you get a little old and you realize that we had all this money and we didn't but you don't see any clinics you don't see any schools you don't see any colleges you're gonna be very disappointed she said but remember not to forget us when you see what's really here you're going to be disappointed but I remember her saying I got her and that little Bible I had heard her handwritten note in her address and don't forget at me she said keep in touch mother ello hell is the state supervisor as well her phone number they put it in my book when I was a when I was 18 years old I was still in I was 19 just my freshman year in college I came back to the convocation they said you're going to see a lot you're going to experience a lot like mothers Sherman said don't you become like them you make us make them like us but all understood me and I understood him and we knew her he never let me leave this house pray for me lay hands on me you lead the prayer prayer in the Holy Ghost you have the anointing Evelyn so we had a bonding relationship that was beautiful and he never rejected me like the media portrayed never it didn't happen never I could go to his house call him on his phone I spent the night in this house took him to get his hair cut it brought him around town we like to talk we talk for hours at a time until he died the last Michael asked conversation he stood up put his hands at his back pocket looked up to heaven and said mission carefully everything may not like what I hear that's all he said that was the closest to an endorsement I would have gotten good event Rita listened to what you said and I and I heard every word you said yeah and I still don't get how everybody never liked everybody like they are they have a whole these things come buy the whole dog Jose and then agreements come out for faster than print see a religious Dean what up what up what what what an amazing powerful things I thought the whole egos while you was talking and I wanted to balance it off with a hit little humor are too much Holy Ghost but no humor is the Jim Trevor stating uh but that that was powerful to me because I could see him when you when you spoke you you own that pattern that that brand it's yours no one can take it away from you and with you and when you spoke as he stood out there in front of me and I can see his hand his head up there with that puff hair beard and the hands up there and I hear what you say it and the cccccc this is you have the DNA of of these great men and women of God Catherine and all Morris are okay and you know so having this discussion with you is extremely important I don't feel that anoint ins leaves the earth I think that if they do it is stored in heaven for a moment and then it's it's assigned to two individuals and who now among us have the anointing that Catherine had oral used to say the Prophet goes up the mantle down you're starting over again and again how does that make you feel to keep one starting over again and again and again it's pretty frightening it's like an it's like a roller coaster ride it's very exciting very easily rating was that was that disrespectful to you for me to ask that question absolutely not it's reasonable I mean anybody that knows it's common sense of crime reinventing and one sense representing myself the new Carlton person representing yourself the new Carlton Pearson almost in a in a red fox Sanford and Son posture you played a great great role as as Carlton of the Azusa era and so to get another part when you walk across the stage you hold it on yet hold on keep on yeah I'm keeping on yeah it's sort of like you know the guy who plays Tony Soprano I don't know what his name is anytime you see him in a movie he did so well in The Sopranos yeah I think else you anything else keeps on calling them back so you know red Foxx was in Harlem Nights and we kept on looking at them saying yeah you see really go frets effort yeah well and I'm proud of that you know my fingerprints and the fingerprints of the culture are on me if you if you dust me you're going to see the fingerprints of oral and Katherine in Mason and Blake you know my mom my dad my god mother mother Sherman their fingerprints are all over me and I'm proud of them I wear them like medals like badges I don't expect to change that I want to carry what I the last time I was on TV and I want Eagle as my guest I was hosting last time I hosted and she made a statement and I hope she remembers it she said our our anointing is needed elsewhere hmm all of those who just went off through me neither of us were completely sure to what she was saying but I knew Mischa Mason used to pre everywhere everywhere ever people thought he made a Church of God in Christ everywhere he met the spirit area anointing everywhere now if I'm sitting with an atheist or agnostic or Hindu or around you rabbi or Muslim Imam and I've set them all or Wiccan witch priest sat with them the anointing is there this whole new thought group this mind science of mind group that I that I associate with now even the United Church of Christ very liberal very progressive what they want and what they like the most about me is what I call the anointing that I've had all my life they want the presence of God if I'm preaching if they want to hear what I say then wants to debate sense but they don't just want to hear me now they want to feel me because they used to turn that I'm surprised how many people heard me on television who were not Pentecostals were not charismatic were not fundamentalist they were drawn to the anointing they're drawn to the appointment they could feel our spirits animals can feel that what I try to tell the church world all you want about doctrine and dogma but David said taking out of thy Holy Spirit from me creating your clean heart O God renew a right spirit I pray that every day and come what comes along with that is the reinforced Holy Spirit and everybody you know people don't always know when the anointing isn't but they always know what it is if if I brush across past you and I'm not wearing any Cologne you don't think anything of you don't know Z but if somebody comes through you here and they've got a little something when you go what's that is that it's that manna which means what is this what's to share it's lonely at the Manor I feed off the matter and people who around me long enough will feed off it what is this that makes me feel so good inside what is this that make me went on anyhow whatever it is uh even let me home oh wow wow nothing like a church and nothing like like the Lord my last question for you tonight what are we to expect from Carleton Pearson in the years to come what's your next move what's next video greatness great things I will take the brand that we've been exposed to and became efficient and proficient with in the Holy Ghost and channel it to the world they're the thing that's lacking the most is divinity our expression of divinity the divine presence or presense the anointing of God on what we say which comes packaged in love you will see the different races and cultures and religions coming together under a mystical presence a mysterious move be something like Pentecost that here's the key thing about Pentecost they heard them speak in their own languages the wonderful works of God that means we relate to every culture they will hear us speak of the wonderful works of God and they'll be astounded the Bible says they were bewildered because they heard and understood when they they're hearing but they're not understanding but I'm now I'm getting more people that say finally oh my god I understand s'what my spirit has been saying I'm Methodist I'm Baptist I'm Pentecostal I'm Catholic I'm Jewish I mean mousse mousse has been telling me this for years I now understand the shed that is so old wow you saved my life that's what I'm hearing people are crying one method is Minister fell across my shoulders he was 75 years old had been retired said God showed him that 40 years ago where he's afraid of losing the man's his parsonage and he just said I was supposed to speak it and I didn't I've had more ministers older men say this thing to me of all the different disciplines and their experiences though so this is a Renaissance I'll tell you watching there's a new sweep of the Holy Ghost Kathryn Kuhlman said the greatest day the church has ever known is just around the corner I won't be there but you'll be right in the big middle of it and you remember that Catherine told you so she said that to me I thought it was Azusa and that was a part of it but I really believe it's what I'm saying and see now that's going to canvas this planet when I go up on and livestreaming they they're on they're watching from Yugoslavia I hear from Serbia from from you Becca Stan so the Church of God in Christ the the Full Gospel the non-denominational the evangelicals under this new expansive thought that you have embraced they're not an error no there no more narrow than I was they just they're not as in light but they're coming there is a sweep and Anthony church all the children I did not get an error no they are not enlightened they are I was in an error I was right where God had me to be background screeching with their preaching I'm not an error they're not in here it's it's it's the scripture says and by in my father's house which is in the household again right there are many mansions that word means many levels many dimensions many spheres many floors and I just moved on up a little higher my ministry was called higher dimensions you know well there's a great day see there's a great change in me old great change in me I am so happy I am so free I I've shipped it I've changed and I'm free and I'm happy and I'm holy and I love it I felt I have no trouble loving gay people no trouble loving atheists or agnostics or Catholics or Pentecostals or Jews I love everybody you're not trying to convert them I'm not trying to convert them but I do want to convince them of what that I love them and that God loves them what's the difference between convince and convert convert means to turn have them to turn that's what the word means invert convert beaver has to do with turning the word vert means turn I'm not trying to turn them I'm trying to maybe turn them on what's the convince is to persuade them then set a is hassle if you convince me having you converted me conversion is only once in the scripture and it's about somebody who's left God or Christ and converts back turns back to the gospel so if I thought that the people that turned away from the gospel that's one thing I want to convince them that they're absolutely unconventional conditionally loved by God regardless that's a huge persuasion does the unconditional love of God requires change no it does effectuate it it doesn't require my children cannot require they don't have to my love for my children and when that little boy was born he's crawling around my feet I know I heard ago say what could that board do to make you sending to an eternal torture chamber that's where I remember I thought nothing and we see we see that lived out in the life of mothers who are running down to the prisons to get Mitchell's own out of jail absolutely trying mortgage in the house in the house and what have you here that's the kind of love my kids can turn it now they might earn a gift am i I'm something take them to a movie they cannot earn my love Carlton it has been phenomenal of being with you um he cooked a little bit for us tonight we had some little potato salad and collard greens and then the corn bread and you know time they roasted they didn't give me any meat but if we get back to sweet potato pie fasting this month all for me boy I cooked it with some turkey necks and you're agitated that gene that's what he does yeah he's a called anointed to eat in great places it has been wonderful tonight and I hope those of you who have been asking over and over and over where is Carlton here he is as we close Carlton if there's a story that you had to tell about yourself that you want people to know that they don't know what would that be what would that be I love the statements by Wayne Dyer when you change the way you look at things the things you look at change Jesus was a revolutionist he brought change they crucified Him because they they didn't accept his change but he did not back down from his purpose you must have back down to yours find your purpose find your energy find your passion follow it God will honor that I love you I love the Saints I love the church I love my background I have not back certain from any of it I love the Holy Ghost I love Hammond b3 organ with a Leslie speaker I love a book every once in a while and I have not stopped being that I never I would never live that I am excreting expanding the reach of that expression to the diverse inclusive audience I know God called me to see what God will do to you through you for you as you make a huge difference Wow rejoice in the word this has been awesome and remember if you ever in the greater Raleigh Durham area come and see us at Bethel Family Worship Center the church that's right Bishop George bloomer see you next time on rejoice in the word thank you so much called hey hey you holding on oh I'm holding on alright you guys keep on keepin good long it is a story that was told about these this pickpocketer who went around pickpocketing and one day he walked into a five-and-dime store in those days and was wild his wallet had been picked and he turned around this is swarming going down so he chases her down finds out that she's they pick pocketer for me from England and they fall in love with each other and says you have great pickpocket I'm a pickpocket we get together we have a child's will be the greatest pickpocket in the world you take over the world you who you have American ladies in Europe they pick me it says and so they got married gave birth to this baby and when the baby was born the baby this ball was fist closed and that hurt them so bad they said this is this is crazy we thought he's going to have a great pickpocketer given birth to a pig my baby wouldn't open his fist so each lay they wouldn't have baby's hands x-ray come to find out the reason why his hands closed when the baby was he'll be a boy he snatched the winner off the head half of the doctor Rassman I do it you hold it on your horn oh look people keep it on

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