Better than any WOTLK Classic DPS Tier List

now every man and their goblin has done a youtube video over the last few months talking about tier lists and what's the best dps in wrath of the lich king i'm not here to tell you they're wrong but i'm also not here to tell you they're right instead i'm bringing you hard facts with a lot of data behind it now i've got a shout out missty on twitch for actually sending me this because i use this website a lot looking for historic post of wrath of the lich king to see what's right with private servers and what's wrong with private servers and trust me there's a lot when you look at private servers that you need to just forget about because it's going to be different in classic but one thing from original wrath of the lich king to today which will change very little is the amount of dps that we do and you've got to remember by the time icc was out the skill level of players was a lot higher don't get me wrong they didn't have the 10 years or so sat on private servers perfecting their classes but these data sets are so big that it will really give you a good idea so let's run through it all of this was taken from world of logs if you don't know what welder logs is it's basically what warcraft logs is today it provided a lot of useful information far far more than just dps and they also post the top 200 dps results for each boss and spec about 30 000 raid passes were uploaded to world of logs every week so a little bit about this data set all the data was for icc 25 man normal the date of the average dps was gathered from a sampling of about 25 of all raid passes during the 10 raid buff period in icc this ensures that the raid buff was the same for all passes and the gear levels are fairly recent the data encompasses all gear levels all skill levels and includes both wipes and kills any results that were 0 dbs because they were being boosted or afk were removed before calculations some important information the number does not in any way represent the damage that you can do all your class can do it's possible that certain specs reflect higher not because they're capable of more dps but just because they're easier to play and that's important to remember if you see your class really low down on the damage meters here or on the logs here don't be disheartened because i'm sure you will do just fine if you're exceptional and you'll see what i mean when we look at the top passes versus the average passes and now some of these classes move around the graphs are formatted to show the scale starting at near the lowest represented dps rather than at zero this in effect is zooming in to get a higher fidelity view of the comparative dps actual dps numbers are included rounded to the nearest 100. you'll see some specs that may not even be included in some of this like frost mages and sub rogues just because they're so underrepresented and that's because they're useless if you're planning on rolling a death knight death knights are also not included in this purely because trying to differentiate between tanks and dps across three different specs was very difficult from back in the day we know that's not the case today with warcraft logs so first of all if we look at the average icc dps the chart shows us average dps spec for all icc buses combined so some fights favor certain classes or certain specs but once you combine it all this is what the distribution looks like assassination rogues have a clear lead a trend that will continue as we progress but interestingly if you remove them then every class has a spec within 10 percent of the top dps on the low end we have our four poor specs frost mages sub rows bm hunters and arms warriors they will generally hang out on the low end throughout every data set though arms warriors do not appear quite as bad as others so looking at this across all bosses back in the day we had assassination rogues in first place fire mage then combat then affliction and demo warlocks marksman hunter feral druid why solo shadow priests fury warriors rep paladins enhancement you can see slowly wait you make your way down to boomi and then really anything below boomi you wouldn't even really consider a dps now this is where it gets interesting if we look at festergut dps this is a very melee friendly fight for all melee classes this fight is just a training dummy and should treat all melee equally brains have to do some moving and are subject to vile gas which can hit them up to six or more times each fight substantially hurting their dps potential but just looking at this you can see how far ahead rogue is to everything else feral druids sitting just below and then it slowly makes its way all the way back down to boomi again but this is all passes this is all skill levels all gear levels everything you know over 25 000 or whatever it said you know different passes putting it all together and then getting an average you might not be average so if we now look at fester gut taking the top 200 so this is the top raid passes for each spec you can see it's a very different story so now we're talking these are the better players the top 200 of each class you've still got rogues at the top but look at how everything shifted around with mage fury feral and look how high boomy is now compared to where it was before so we can clearly see that boomi if you're a better player you can perform very very well and almost equally to everybody else the chart definitely looks a lot more realistic to what the player base is like today because i do believe that we are probably better than we were back then i think there's not going to be massive differences i'm not saying that this is get this chart's going to be small we're going to be doing double the dps it's not going to be like that because there's not that much you can do wrong you know the theory crafting that happened back then we still rely on to a certain extent today by that i mean you know things like elitist jerks you know everything that that needed to be worked out has already been worked out we might find a few cheesy ways of doing things we always do when it comes to classic but overall looking at these you can see what i've been saying all along where play whatever class you want you know if you watch my class picking guide that i've done you literally can play any single class and one of those specs will perform very well and it's worth noting when you look at this one dk's actually are included they're not included in the overall but they're included on festergut here and you can see where frost is sitting versus unholy versus blood so you've got frost sitting at the top here just over unholy and unholy over blood but both of them sit very middle of the pack and i would expect to see warriors a little bit higher you've got to remember this is only 25 man normal so some of these people won't be in full biss and that's what a lot of tier lists are based off being full icc 25 heroic geared and then saying right furys are the best dps but let's be honest by the time you're full icc 25 heroic geared katara be out or something else would be out you know you're gonna probably get some ict 25 heroic gear and you'll get your shadow more and you'll get your death bring as well being every single slot biss when we know how quick classic seems to move nowadays highly unlikely and not really worth worrying about this is actually a good set of data to to base your guesstimations on how you're going to perform and then if we look at rot face now this is switched round so this is a more range friendly fight because at times everyone has to run and rage classes at least have the option of occasionally being able to launch off some instant attacks from range where the melee are forced to just watch the fight unfold it's enough to finally knock the rogues out of the top slot but just barely so now you've got your fire mage on top you're seeing all the melee drop down a little bit and you know the cast is rising up a little bit but again this is the average dps across everybody when we look at it again but for the top 25 look at what a different picture it paints we've now still got hunters on top followed by arcane mages the rogues are still sitting up there quite strong but now boomy look how high boom he is on rock face because it can instant you know use its dots and everything when it's moving and when we're looking at these the top 200 passes for each class you can quite clearly see it paints a very even picture again there is not a massive difference between saying destruction at the bottom there all the way to marksman at the top there's a couple of thousand dps difference but as an average you're talking middle of the pack classes your warlocks your shadow priests your ferals all still very very strong and that's it it was only a quick video i just wanted to show you it because it's a really interesting article again showing you everybody as an average for every class and where they sit the top 200 which let's face it we all strive to be in the top 200 on warcraft logs so if you're one of those people that regularly is passing you know 97 98 99 or 100 passing then you know you can expect this the top 200 ones to be a fairly accurate representation of what sort of damage you're gonna do now remember this was 20 icc 25 man normal some of these people could even just still be in top 25 gear so you could say some of these numbers might be achievable late tier 9 very early tier 10. but overall again i thought it was a very interesting article it's not a tier list and this is why looking at tier list is pretty pointless because they won't accurately represent what we've just looked at now i'm pointing down at my ipad not honestly it's the ipad i'm pointing at it just looks a bit weird don't it um anyway like and subscribe really outro there's lots of ways you can support the channel to keep me here putting out world of warcraft content and covering 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Id: T87_SBXsm70

Length: 8min 48sec (528 seconds)

Published: Fri May 06 2022

Reddit Comments

[u/datboiharambe69]

This is old, and also very speculative. It takes the boss parses from two fights in ICC and presents that as something "better than any tier list".

The guy who made this has also been making a lot of videos recently, many of which turned out to be misleading or flat out wrong, for example the claim that 70-71 would take a full 10 hours of dungeon grinding.

So take all of this with a huge dose of skepticism.

[u/CalgaryAnswers]

Scottejaye doesn't post anything he deeply analyzes himself. He just ripped off another article that has been posted here and sold it as his own content, which is pretty much all he does. And it's not based on the entirety of wrath just very specific fights.

All the time lists are speculative and at this moment pserver results are the best sources we have