Benchmarking the RTX 4080 and Explaining the Hate

ah it's time to talk 4080 and I am super super late with this I'm very sorry have the Asus 4080 GeForce RTX tough gaming and no things haven't gotten so bad that Asus is giving away 40 80s to reviewers actually paid for this at retail oh it hurt but had to test some things for science [Music] thank you I've actually had this for a while I've been a little under the weather I'm recovering now which is good let's have more time for this sorts of thing 4080 is kind of an odd duck like me oh Nvidia was in kind of a tough spot when they launched the 40 90. you know there's a lot of competition from AMD kind of in the value proposition but Nvidia has kind of been there done that they've got the drivers and they've got a huge team and they've got all the Enterprise customers and they've got a lot of experience with things beyond the gaming they've got a lot of Partnerships with gaming companies and the 4090 even months and months since launch remains sort of the Undisputed performance champion but Nvidia is going to charge you for that and it kind of makes sense I mean if you are out for maximum shareholder value the same silicon that goes into the 4090 you can sell to the Enterprise customers for many thousands of dollars more it's it's sort of become a weird economic situation it used to be the case that some of your Enterprise stuff you could sell to Gamers and still get some money out of it but now gaming really kind of sort of a lost leader I mean the Enterprise is buying GPU like compute things as fast as they can be made because there's a lot of money to be made with AI and breakthroughs and that sort of thing so Gamers sort of take a back seat with that and we see that right now with the 4090 availability people are looking at the 4080 and they're buying the 40 90 because these are in stock everywhere so this this is a 4080. now MSRP on those is supposed to be around 1200. this was in fact fourteen hundred dollars now before you say oh this is a premium card no this is the Asus tough gaming Asus has like 12 versions of everything that they come up with and the tough gaming is usually The Sweet Spot of value performance etc etc but this is fourteen hundred dollars which is really not a lot less expensive than the 4090 MSRP so maybe did Nvidia are we saying that Nvidia set the price of the 4092 low because that also seems completely absurd let's take a look at the Box let's see what we got I sort of like what Asus did here they chopped the corner you know off the box I guess that's good your Frack is a swear word papers don't have corners and there's more than one gods got our weirdly shaped box the tough gaming experience [Music] uh triple power cable check that's interesting it's not a quadruple power cable like the 40 90. an anti-sag Peg [Music] an enormous GPU [Applause] GeForce RTX get the giant see-through heatsink at the back here big triple fan design it's a four slot card two HDMI and three display port although you can only use any four of them at once also in the Box you get the Asus welcome packet which has got some cool stuff in it we've got our Asus tough gaming membership card I guess I can put that in my wallet the warranty card the instructions on how to use things a quickie installation manual you know quick start guide it's pretty substantial and then a little thank you thing like a little stand up thing like oh thank you for purchasing you're welcome Asus now the design of this card is really interesting there's a lot of room around the card for the heatsink to breed and the fan density like the density like how close are the fins together on the heatsink really not as high as what we've seen from gpus in the past this isn't a vapor chambered design or anything like that as far as I can tell but there are a lot of heat pipes it has a physical switch for the Bios mode performance or quiet mode it comes by default in the performance mode it has a handy attractive metal back plate so that'll help it not sag as well and really the PCB isn't very large this this card is at least 50 heatsink the actual i o backplate is two slots even though this is you know like I said a four slot card it may be a little problematic to fit this GPU even in Micro ATX builds so like we did this Micro ATX in the Define 7 mini will it fit not even a little bit not even with fans it just ain't happening even if it wasn't you know so long it wouldn't be able to breathe not with our uh our MSI b650 Motherboard so all right let's get to the gaming performance so first up for the benchmarks is cyberpunk 2077. and I kind of wanted to do something different I wanted to group the data a little differently with this because yeah you've got Ray tracing it's a really good example of what can be done you know it looks really good in cyberpunk 2077. cyberpunk 2077 the engine has also had its fair share of problems since launch but as of late December 2022 things have gotten a lot better there's also Fidelity FX amd's upscaling technology as well as dlss and pretty good support for both in the game at least as far as I can tell which is for me visually looking at it some of the benchmarks that we've done and I could see that some people would maybe want to play it in 1080P with really high visual Fidelity settings but I can also see that maybe people would want to play it at 4K and buttery smooth goodness maybe with or without Ray tracing depending on what your preferences are and so that's kind of what this graph breakdown is and we can see yeah clearly the 4090 is absolutely dominating everything but the 4080 is really holding its own I mean it's doing 102 FPS versus the you know 62-ish FPS that the 7900 XTX can manage at 1080P and that's what Fidelity FX and dlss off yeah and that's just owing to the architecture of the 7900 XTX we see that in some other games like shadow of the Tomb Raider can really get that high you know 320 330 FPS on Team Green but a 1080p amd's just not able to manage that just because of their Graphics architecture and and some other stuff maybe they'll get there with driver updates but the 7900 XTX if you look at those benchmarks if you look at just 1080p I think it's sort of misleading because you think the 7900 XTX doesn't have the horsepower and that's not really it step up to 1440p with Fidelity FX and dlss off and you get a little bit more of a spread here but again Team Green pretty pretty dominating here a 2160p 4K with Fidelity FX and dlss disabled I don't think it's playable even on the 4090 and we're seeing about 30 FPS from our RTX 4080 which is pretty respectable considering the 4090 it was only managing 44. yeah 40 90 is faster film at 11. it's sort of around here that it dawned on me what's been bothering me about this CPU launch because think back to like the 2000 series which is arguably not a great launch like the the 1080 TI was just a legendary card in all respects everybody looks at that but but even the 2000 series cards the 2080 and the 2070 that's when we I think we started this trajectory of it still costs a lot but you're not really getting maybe as much as you might expect because with the 2080 and the 2070 the best I can recall maybe this is rose-colored glasses but the 2080 was maybe 30 to 40 percent more expensive but the 2070 was you know between 66 and 80 percent of the performance so you could save almost half and get two-thirds of the performance well there's like 200 difference between the RTX 4080 and the 4090 and that's really there's a bigger difference in performance here than one would expect for so little okay twelve hundred dollars versus sixteen or Seventeen hundred dollars you know again those prices seem pretty crazy for gpus especially considering the last generation so that's sort of point one of why I think the pricing this generation is designed more to move nvidia's old inventory than to really to move their new stuff and that's why we don't see as many 40 90s actually in stock I think and why they're trying to get rid of the 40 80 1200 because the margins are probably better on that product now if we break down our other performance here really the the 4080 does pretty well 164 FPS is kind of an engine limit and cyberpunk sort of kind of when we're talking about these settings and everything else that's going on here but for dlss or Fidelity FX on the quality preset you know 60 FPS versus 37 FPS not really a great showing for team red here you can fiddle with the settings you can turn the Fidelity down and see what I did there pun and get a little bit better frame rate so I feel like this might be slightly biased against team red but the performance here really is not in question for the 4080. it's really good what makes me less excited about it is the price that's why I keep sort of waffling on this a little bit so for this graph it's just a breakdown of the 7900 XTX the 4080 and the 40 90. how does that actually Stack Up and again we see at 1080 7900 XTX is falling a little behind and at 1080 there's really not a lot of performance difference between the 4080 and the 40 90. you know with Fidelity FX and dlss off 219 versus 237 that's not a huge difference I'm not sure I'm I mean maybe it would be worth two hundred dollars four hundred dollars I don't think so I mean over 200 FPS uh I don't know I probably didn't go for a last generation GPU if I had to have Team Green then we have you know kind of in the middle of the road 1440p and here this is where things get interesting with reality FX and dlss off you know 7900 XTX and the 4080 are neck and neck and I'm just again my mind is just on price 9.99 thousand dollars versus fourteen hundred dollars and those are prices actually paid like not street price or anything else you can I guess there's a there's a couple Eleven Hundred Dollar versions of the 7100 xdx but what I got from amd.com that's a thousand dollars at 2160p it's 40 90 domination and 2160p with Fidelity FX and dlss at Ultra performance again 40 90 domination but it really is an echo neck with the 7900 XTX and the 4080. that's not good news for NVIDIA probably means if you hold out that Nvidia is going to have a pricing adjustment shadow of the Tomb Raider of course 1080p 1440 and 2160p all of these frame rates are just bananas 287 FPS for for our lowly 900 7900 xdx you can get two 7900 xdx's for the price of a 49. all the way up to 150 versus 156 FPS at 4K for an older title like Borderlands 3 if we compare the 4080 and the 4090 along with the 7900 XTX you know it doesn't look as good in this title the the 4080 probably could be a little better here and this may be down to driver optimizations or something else I really don't know why we were only getting 184 FPS at 1440p that's kind of The Sweet Spot for Borderlands 3 and these texture settings I it really it doesn't make sense I feel like this will probably be corrected in a driver update or something like that but it was repeatable on both Intel and AMD systems at least the uh performance disparity the actual frame rates varied of course Deus Ex mankind divided on high it's a similar story Team Green definitely takes the win here and there's functionally no difference between 4080 and 40 90 for 1080P and 1440p at 4K of course the 4090 pulls ahead by you know 134 to 188 FPS 188 is a pretty big uplift over 134. now if we take a look at our artificial benchmarks and see what the breakdown is so this is a great Showcase of why you shouldn't necessarily trust artificial benchmarks because if you look at the fire strike score I mean it doesn't really look super good for the 4080 fire strike extreme also lags behind time spy looks pretty good although maybe not as good as one might expect firestrike Ultra lags behind Port Royal looks you know like it's it's kind of lagging behind time spy extreme it's kind of lagging behind if you look at the artificial benchmarks it really doesn't make a case here for NVIDIA maybe the 4090 if you're chasing the absolute best numbers but the 4080 really doesn't look good in these artificial benchmarks at least at this price point another thing that I wanted to check in the benchmarks was Creative Suite performance how does it perform when we're talking about the Creative Suite well fortunately Puget systems has Puget bench and so the Premiere Pro and Photoshop Benchmark here was really interesting so I think there's probably a driver issue here with Photoshop because it pretty consistently would keep crashing so I don't know Premiere Pro and a 4080 do you use a Premiere Pro on a 48 does it actually work okay in the test project it seemed to be running out of texture memory and the system let it allocate more texture memory than it had and then it would crash so there's not really a lot of different performance for in Premiere Pro between any of the three cards that would complete the test successfully and in Photoshop everything basically worked according to plan the 7900 kind of lags behind the other three cards but the 7900 XTX and the 4080 and the 4090 did pretty well here and this is actually kind of a first for AMD it's not historically been the case that amd's performance in these productivity benchmarks would be as close to their Nvidia counterparts so that is maybe another vote that I think that Nvidia is gonna have to do a price adjustment I mean well probably not I mean the 4070 TI is going to launch and it's probably going to be a thousand dollars and people are probably still going to pay it but it doesn't really the pricing does not make any sense to me unless you're trying to move 3000 Series inventory and then the pricing makes perfect sense and that's about it for the benchmarks I mean I keep I just I'm fixated on the pricing here and it's because I've experienced you know like 10 generations of gpus in my lifetime and this is not like one of the great things about gaming is the enthusiasm that you can share with other Gamers like look at this thing look at this thing that I figured out or look at RTX Quake we can take the old thing and make it new I wonder when they're going to have RTX you know day of the tentacle I could definitely go for some uh some some Ray tracing on purple tentacle that would that would be interesting that's going to be taken out of context but it's hard to get that excited about these kinds of things because you know a thousand dollars is a lot of money and I'm sure that the engineering and the costs and everything else has gone a long way and a thousand dollars doesn't go as long as it used to but I think the real Innovation is happening farther down the GPU stack I think that that people can enjoy you know the two to three hundred dollar gpus and not really miss out on anything and I figured that's probably what nvidia's strategy is here it's like it's no use getting mad that it's Seventeen hundred dollars or fourteen hundred dollars or twelve hundred dollars because there are some people that are that are going to pay it and I think that you know they're making in those quantities they're not overshooting that there are probably warehouses and warehouses full of 3000 Series cards a lot of people will be perfectly happy with so yeah I don't know it's no wonder that the market reception for the 4080 at its pricing has been what it what it was and why I struggled a little bit to put a plan together for this video I mean the 4080 from an engineering perspective and a performance perspective it's got the goods but fourteen hundred dollars doesn't make any sense at all unless you're just trying to move your old inventory you don't want to make too many of it and you can sell that same 4000 series gpus to researchers or people doing AI people doing anything other than gaming because gaming is basically a lost leader product and you know it's it's sort of accidental that the engineering that goes into gamer products benefits Gamers well you know that's not really true with the driver there's a lot that goes into that and gaming is a multi-billion dollar industry that's not what I mean I just mean that the silicon and the engineering and everything else if there is another customer who will buy the same thing for a different application at a higher price then those customers are going to get preference preferential treatment Nvidia would have to probably come up with two different products that are kind of competing with one another in terms of like well it wouldn't really be competing you'd have a product for your Enterprise and your data center customers and a product for your your gaming customers in order to sort of optimize the path for both of those and it may be optimizing production cost path it may be optimizing functionality path I don't really know but I don't think this trajectory of you know fifteen hundred dollar two thousand dollar 2500 gpus is sustainable in a consumer Market even though we get a lot of enjoyment out of it and even though if you it's like how much does this cost per hour and it's still on the order of pennies per hour because I get a lot of mileage out of my gpus but it is very frustrating and I don't really uh there's so many other aspects of this that I could vocalize but I think you know what I'm talking about so yeah 48 it's got the goods for performance the price and stings a bit and I think that if Nvidia wants to move a lot of them they're going to have to adjust their price because there are competing cards that are almost as good better in some ways and the cost 400 less in the retail Market I don't know we'll see what the we'll see what the pricing for the 4070 TI brings the 4080 with less vram once again I'm Whittle this is level one I'm signing out you find me in the level one forums if I've missed something let me know let's engage [Music]

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Published: Thu Jan 05 2023