- Frankly, I find this whole
thing a waste of time. - Questions.
- I don't frankly give a damn what you think of me since
I've never heard of you. - You, and I've never heard of you. - Then why the hell are
you interviewing me? - You have a book out and it's an-- - [Barron] Ben Shapiro
destroys leftist politician. Ben Shapiro destroys
student in liberal debate. (crowd applauding) Ben Shapiro gets--
(record scratching) gets destroyed by BBC's Andrew Neil? (crowd gasping) When I saw this I had to dive in. Ben Shapiro is one of
the quickest debaters on his feet out there right now. I mean he was in the Harvard debate team, he's a law student, I think
he actually is a lawyer and he's one of the best on his feet and there's all these videos
that you've probably seen of him just rollin' people up. But he went up against this old dude on the BBC who sounds like he's narrating some old Sherlock Holmes novel. But the dude just keeps
chucking along at him, keeps talking over him,
bringing up old tweets and Ben Shapiro eventually
melts down so much that he ends the interview and takes the microphone off of him. And in this video we're gonna go through and break down actually what
was going on in their heads so you can break down
and understand socially the different moves they were making and how Shapiro ended up getting trapped in a lot of this and some of the moves that Shapiro tried to make, so you can use these
strategies in your own life and not get trapped when
someone tries talk down to you. At the very end of the video
I'm gonna give you a way, if people talk down to you, like your friends or your boss at work, that you can come out of that on top and learn a quick comeback to say. So, let's dive into this video. We're gonna watch some of it
and then we're gonna go back, watch it again and break it down. - Some of the ideas that are popular in your side of politics, would seem to take us
back to the Dark Ages. Georgia, new abortion laws, which you are much in favor of. That a woman who miscarries
could get 30 years. A Georgian woman who
travels to another state for an abortion procedure
could get 10 years. These are extreme hard policies. - Well, okay, a couple of things. One, I'm not sure, I
mean frankly I don't know whether you, are you an
objective journalist, or are you an opinion
journalist right now? - I'm a journalist that asks questions. - Okay, so you're a supposedly
objective journalist, calling policies with which
you disagree barbaric. - No, I--
- And suggesting only one side of the political aisle has ideas. - No.
- So I just want to point out that I wish you'd at least
be honest in your own bias - Mr. Shapiro are you the--
- Are you a member of the-- (tape rewinding) - A woman who miscarries
could get 30 years. - [Barron] (laughs)
Dude, this guy's demeanor is so funny too, it's like,
the way he talks cracks me up. Just some sophisticated guy
who has all the answers, I love it. - A Georgian woman who
travels to another state for an abortion procedure
could get 10 years. These are extreme hard policies. (Troy laughing)
- Well, okay, a couple of things, one, I'm
not sure, I mean, frankly I don't know whether you're,
are you an objective journalist or are you an opinion
journalist right now? - I'm a journalist that asks questions. - [Barron] OK, so this
guy's been around the block you can tell just in his
age and his demeanor, but he kinda caught Ben
there when Ben says, "which are you, are you objective?" Are you somebody who
actually has a side, right? 'Cause most times in the
U.S. Fox News is conservative and the rest of them are
usually pretty liberal, so he asks him straight up
and he just says listen, basically saying, that's not important. I'm just asking you questions. You're the one being interviewed, so that's a very sharp response. It was a quick-thinking
response to his question that a lot of people would
get put on tilt with. - I'm not sure, frankly, I
don't know whether you're, are you an objective journalist or are you an opinion
journalist right now? - I'm a journalist that asks questions. - OK, so you're a supposedly
objective journalist calling policies with
which you disagree barbaric and suggesting only--
- No, I-- - [Barron] OK, so that was a good thing. And this actually, this interview wasn't quite as terrible as
I thought it was going to be when everyone started sending it to me, but he says, okay, so I'm gonna assume that you're an objective journalist, but yet you call the
question that you ask me, one of the practices barbaric. So clearly when somebody
assigns a positive or negative to something in the question,
they're showing a side on that, right? He's saying the abortion
policy's barbaric, so Shapiro's basically
calling him out and saying, you're not objective because you said this is a bad practice and
something that has two sides. So that was quick thinking
of Shapiro there, too. - One side of the
political aisle has ideas. - No.
- So I just to point out that. - No, I know that you're--
- I wish you would at least be honest in your own biases.
- Mr. Shapiro, are your other broadcasting in America.
- Are you a member of the-- - Is now so polarized on one-- - [Barron] Did you see that? That was interesting,
most people aren't able to talk over Shapiro, but this
guy is able to do so and why? We're gonna go back and watch it again, but it's because he's like
a freight train, right? He's got a very calm, confident delivery and he just sounds like
he's not gonna stop and Shapiro recognizes that so he stops. You hardly ever see that. - I wish you would at least
be honest in your own biases, so are you a member of the--
- Mr. Shapiro, are your other broadcasting in America
is now so polarized that-- - And life exists at conception,
it ought to be protected. Now back to my question to you. You purport to be an objective journalist. BBC purports to be an objective
down-the-middle network. It obviously is not, it never has been, and you as a journalist are
proceeding to call one side of the political aisle ignorant, barbaric, and sending us back to the Dark Ages. Why don't you just say
that you're on the left? Is this so hard for you, why
can't you just be honest? - [Barron] See, I think that's fair. Like I said, I think Shapiro actually has, he melts down here in a little bit, but I think he got some good lines in here and he's just not gonna let that go, 'cause basically the way Shapiro feels, this guy just showed his hand,
his poker hand at the game by calling that barbaric and saying that it's something to take
it back to the Dark Ages, clearly there's negative connotations to those two comments and
he's not gonna let that die. So as soon as he accepts
that he's framed for a minute and answers the question he's
right back on that point. - Seriously, it's a serious question. - Mr. Shapiro, if you
only knew how ridiculous that statement is you
wouldn't have said it. - [Barron] Okay, that actually
is a powerful statement even though it doesn't even make sense. 'Cause what Shapiro said
makes perfect sense, but the old dude in the fancy accent says, sir, if you only realized
how ridiculous you sound you wouldn't have said it. If you only realized how
ridiculous that statement is you wouldn't have said it. And we'll see what Shapiro says. - Let's move on. - [Barron] (laughs) He
doesn't even understand 'cause it does make sense,
but just because he says it, like most people don't critically think about what going on in a debate so most people watching this TV show who are used to the BBC are gonna think, oh he got him, he told him he's ridiculous and he would never say that if
he realized how dumb it was. And Shapiro's like, wait, what? - You vote for Mr. Trump?
- I think it's pretty evident from your own questions
exactly what you are, sir. - Would you vote for Mr. Trump in 2020? - [Barron] See, he doesn't give him time. There's so many things
going on right here. So he says that, you wouldn't
have made that statement if you realized how dumb it sounded, and then is right on to the next question. So Shapiro, he tries to kind
of defend himself and say, wait, that's exactly what you said, but this guy's right
on to the next question so he doesn't even really get
a chance to drill that home. - If you only knew how
ridiculous that statement is you wouldn't have said it. - [Barron] Boom, right onto the next - So let's move on, would
you vote for Mr. Trump? - I think it's pretty evident
from your own questions exactly what you are, sir. - [Barron] Just repeats it three times. - Would you vote for Mr. Trump in 2020? - I'd certainly consider
voting for Mr. Trump in 2020 just like I'd consider voting
for anybody else in 2020. - But didn't you answer
you'd never vote for him? - I said-- - [Barron] So now he's
trying to trap him, right? 'Cause he said a long time
ago that he would never vote for Trump and so now this
guy's trying to trap him from some old tweets or old writing. - That I wouldn't vote for him in 2016, and then I wrote a column for
National Review explaining the conditions under which
I might change my mind. - You're a culture war warrior, isn't-- - [Barron] The dude is a
freight train if he's able to answer, just straight
on to the next question. - Now, you're a star of new
media, conservative new media. You and others on the left on the right, you've positioned yourselves
as supposed tellers of hard truths, but haven't you all just really coarsened
public discourse in America and exacerbated its divisions? - You know, it's kind of
odd to be hearing about me coarsening public discourse when you call policies
you disagree with brutal and bringing us back to the Dark Ages. - [Barron] (laughs) So once
again, this entire interview he caught that guy slipping up. He's not gonna let him leave it. - The point, I don't want to return to, but the point was to put a
position for you to reply to it and I thought we'd covered that. - That's, well I think that--
- Well, I'll put some of the points, too,
because on your videos-- - Your characterization of
issues is part of the problem in the coarsening of public debate. - Well, maybe it's also
part of your problem, too because we have from your YouTube videos, Ben Shapiro destroys
the abortion argument. Ben Shapiro destroys
transgenderism and abortion. Is that not a kind of
coarse public discourse? - Well, are those videos labeled by me? - I have no idea, but they're-- - Why are you picking out, I have a question, why are you picking out random YouTube videos put
out by people who are not me and then attributing the titles to me? - Are you unhappy with the
way they've been described? - [Barron] (laughs) So the old guy is not gonna let that slide so Shapiro says, listen,
those aren't even my videos. How are you pulling those,
why are you even reading me the titles, nothing to do with me, but Shapiro has said in the past that he loves those videos that go up. I don't know if this guy's
really done that much research and knows that, but now he
holds his feet to the fire by saying, well, do you like 'em or not? - I think that people can
describe me however they please. It's a free country and I'm all
in favor of a public debate. If you watch the actual clips they are generally civil conversations between me and somebody
who disagrees with me. - Well, again with Mr. Obama you said, and you're Jewish yourself,
I only mention that to put this in context. "The Jews who vote for
Obama are, by and large, "Jews in name only." JINOs, you call them. - My statement was based on the fact that Jews in the United
States as an ethnic group are largely irreligious, which
is true by every single poll. Jews are the most irreligious
group in the United States. As an Orthodox Jew who actually
takes Judaism seriously, the point that I am
making is that most Jews who are ethnically Jewish
are not religiously Jewish in any context.
- No, no, no. The point you were making is
that Jews who vote for Obama are Jews in name only. I mean, I guess--
- Also, I'm just, I mean I hope you're having-- - [Barron] (laughs) And so now
you can see he's had enough 'cause this guy just constantly is just asking these ridiculous questions, gives no response, and is just
calling up old things he said and I think the whole thing
about the Jewish religion is really starting to get under
his skin, so watch him now. I think this is when
he starts to melt down. - Fun by the way going
through every old tweet that I've ever sent to try
and do gotcha questions, but if you'd like to have a discussion about my general philosophy
or things I've done and say. I don't know, that was
2012, so it's now 2019. If you'd like to discuss
something I've done in, say, like the past five years,
why don't we do that? How about that?
- Well-- - [Barron] And it takes a lot
to get him emotionally rattled even though he's trying to
kind of keep it together. This is about as mad as
I've seen him on TV before. - Because your book is a criticism of how angry America is and
how America has to do better. And I'm simply trying to point out-- - I have an entire list
on my website, sir, sir, on my list I have an
entire website on dumb, bad things that I've said.
- I'm simply trying to point out some of
the things you've said that seem to me to help
to stoke that anger. For example, you said
Israelis like to build. - [Barron] He goes right
back into it. (laughs) - Arabs like to bomb crap
and live in open sewage. - Well as I say, in an article entitled, Here's A List Of All The Giant, Bad, Dumb Things I've Ever
Said, that list includes-- - Was that dumb?
- Yes, that's a dumb tweet. And not only, but it is
also important to mention that the next few tweets
clarify that that tweet is specifically referring
to the Hamas leader-- - [Barron] You hear how
worked up he's getting? And another thing important to understand, how worked up is he compared
to the person he's talking to 'cause usually your emotional
state and emotional reactivity is always compared to the other person. The person who reacts the least typically has the highest status. The other dude, just unflappable. He hasn't changed his
tone, his speed at all and you can see Shapiro
speeding up, getting more tense, getting more nervous, and
getting more agitated. - No, actually, it wasn't what
you went on to do and say. You are correct about the slur on Arabs. It's not all Arabs that
want to live in open sewage and blow things up,
it's just Palestinians, you went on to say.
- No, no, no, it says the ones who take sides against Israel
- And then you said-- - In the Israel-Palestinian conflict. - The Palestinian-Arab
population is rotten to the core, you went on to say, not Hamas.
- Say by, I say by-- - The Palestinian-Arab-- - [Barron] Listen to this
guy just talk over him. Shapiro knows he can't stop him so he's not even trying anymore. Once this guy start
talking, he's not stopping 'til he's said his peace.
- Population. - I say that by poll
numbers they elected Hamas. They elected Hamas, they
educate their children in school that Israel
should be obliterated, sir. - I guess--
- If you want to read, you know, honestly, this
is a giant waste of time. - [Barron] So now he's gettin'
angry, you can hear it. Now he's breaking off,
he's considering leaving. I think he's wanting to leave right now. - In the sense that the entire interview is designed for you to shout slogans or old things that I've said at me. I don't see how forwards the debate. You talk about undermining
the public discourse. It seems to me that simply going through and finding lone things that
sound bad out of context and then hitting people
with them is a way for you to make a quick buck on BBC off the fact that I'm popular and no
one has ever heard of you. - [Barron] (laughs) Okay, so
that, I mean, that's funny and that's coherent, right? He's saying, 'cause really
all this guy has done has been pull up old things he said. It's not even like in the same context, he's trying to tie it all back together to the polarity of the political
system in the United States but he's just using that
as kind of a framework to be able to pull anything
that he wants that he said that is someone extreme,
and Shapiro very competently and kind of elegantly called that out, but then how did he end it? You know he's getting mad when
he makes a personal attack and says he's never even heard of him. - There are not many bucks
to be made on the BBC, unlike American broadcasting, Mr. Shapiro. The point I'm trying to make--
- You're getting paid, it seems.
- Is that your words are hardly designed to
produce the consensus and understanding that the
book seems to want to produce. That's my point, that you write about Judeo-Christian culture and so on. - [Barron] Look at his body language. Go back and watch that again. He can't even sit still he's
so angry, that's such a tell. And you look this frame right now. His finger is on his cheek. Anytime you put your hand over
your face or on your face, on your neck and the back of the neck is actually the highest stress tell. He's under major stress right now and he's showing it with
all his body language. - The book seems to want to
produce, that's my point, that you write about
Judeo-Christian culture and so on, but so much of what you said
in the past would seem to-- - [Barron] He's trying
to keep it together. - [Andrew] Turn its back
on Judeo-Christian culture. - You're lecturing me on
Judaeo-Christian culture after you called the pro-life
position barbaric, really? - I just asked you a question.
- And I asked you a question. You failed to answer a single one of mine. Frankly, I find this whole
thing a waste of time. If you want to read the
book and critique the book, why don't you read and critique the book? If you want critique me, you
can think whatever you want of me, frankly I don't care.
- Why don't you just try and answer the questions?
- I don't frankly give a damn what you think of me since
I've never heard of you. - And I've never heard of you until I briefed myself
with this, but that's-- - [Barron] OK, so that's
his little comeback. I've never heard of you either. So he's trying to, he's
clearly getting a little bit more worked up, the old dude. This may be about as worked up as he gets, but he's getting a little bit, it's kind of a personal attack. He said twice he doesn't know who he is. - Not the issue, you have a new book out. - Then why the hell are
you interviewing me, sir? - And it's an interesting book,
but my point is, your book claims that society--
- Well, it would be nice if you would quote it from time to time. - Your book, well actually
I've done so several times, and I'm about to do so
again if you would let me just finish the question. - [Barron] (laughs) He
says that like Shapiro's been talking over him the whole interview, as if that old dude hasn't
just been steamrolling him the whole time.
- Frankly I don't think-- - Claims that society--
- And you know what, honestly honestly, sir.
- Is turning back on Judaeo-Christian values.
- Considering what a-- - What are the values it's
turning this back on-- - [Barron] The guy's so
good at talking over him that he knew Shapiro was
going to leave right there, just keeps on talking through and he actually sucks Shapiro
back in a little bit longer. Let's watch, let's watch when we can tell that he wanted to leave.
- Your book is, well actually I've done so several times and I'm about to do so
again if you would let me just finish the question. The book claims that society--
- I don't think this, you know what, honestly, sir--
- Is turning its back-- - [Barron] All right, so
he knows he wants to leave right there.
- On Judaeo-Christian values. - This, considering what--
- What are those values, what are the values it's
turning its back on? - [Barron] By the way, I've got a video. People talk over you and
you have a hard time, I think Shapiro needs to watch this video after seeing this now, too. I've got three ways that
when anybody talks over you there's three strategies
you can use to shut 'em down so you can keep talking. I'll put a link to that
in the description below and also a card up top here if
you want to watch that video. - You know, I'm not inclined
to continue an interview with a person as badly motivated
as you as an interviewer, so I think we're done here. I appreciate your time
sir, thank you so much. - All right, well thank you for your time and for showing that anger is not part of American political discourse. Now Mr. Shapiro, we'll say goodbye. - [Barron] Wow, and so he closes it down with a final slap in the face. Thank you for showing that anger is not a part of the American discourse when he got so worked up. I've never seen Shapiro actually walk out and unplug a microphone
before, that's something. Now, Shapiro is definitely
under attack right there. And if you ever have
people who make fun of you or put you down, maybe your
friends talk down to you, make you feel a little bit small or maybe your boss or a
co-worker talks down to you and you can't think of a quick comeback, I've got a video for that, too. I'll put a link in the description or you can click right here to watch it and I'll teach you what you can do to kind of person that person in place. Or, if you haven't seen
this video of Shapiro on the other side where he's
going up against Bill Maher and he makes a little bit
better case for his chatter, you can click right here. Click to either of those
and I'll talk to you there.
