Ben Shapiro and Malcolm Nance on Critical Race Theory | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)

let's get back into hard news i hate it we're having such a good time and now now we're gonna fight and now i'm gonna no i'm gonna make you fight again but it's okay but i gotta talk about that muzzle laws there's these laws that have been introduced in a nur of states to not talk about critical race theory now critical race theory i must say to begin with i hadn't heard the term probably a year ago now i hear it every day i think americans are just starting to hear it and i think no one knows exactly what it is they know it has something to do with race and it's some kind of a theory right how would you describe it and then we'll ask how will you describe what is critical i will admit that i read a lot of critical race theory in law school so you know the work of derek bell or john or jean stefan no one knows but you and six other people right so what matters is what is it what is it practically it's being taught in schools or some form of yes there's there's a certain sort of crystallized version of it that is a lot less complex than what critical race theory actually is but critical race theory essentially argues that racism is baked into all the systems of american society and that any sort of neutral system is in fact a guise for racial power and so the argument is made by derek bell for example that brown versus board of education this is an argument he made in 1991 that brown versus board of education was actually a way for the white community to leverage its own power it wasn't an attempt to end segregation in public schools even things that are reportedly good in terms of race so long as they uphold these broader systems things like capitalism or things like the meritocracy these things are actually just guises for power and so what that boils down to in sort of practical terms is all disparity equals discrimination if you can see any stat where black people are underperforming white people this means the system was set up for the benefit of white people and that white people have a duty to tear down these systems in order to alleviate the racism that's implicit in those systems when it comes to schools what this tends to boil down to is kids who are white have experienced privilege because the system was built for white people and we have to change the standards right okay well so malcolm you tell me your definition oh i agree with everything he just said oh oh great and i appreciate you being honest and defining of what it's like to be black american right that is i mean we're talking about a system fair well no i'm just saying i agree with all of those suppositions because they are grounded in truth look when i'm you know and the funny thing is it's not just african americans right it's also the the the scalp act of 1749 where for a hunt 300 modern dollars you had to cut off the head or the hair of an indian to prove that you've got them out of the way so they could settle that's a little bit of american history that people should know about the chinese exclusion acts of the 1840s these are things we don't talk about that's right i mean that's personal that's not it's not true that people don't talk about these things we all do we don't want them talked about no that's not true either you wanted to cancel no malcolm i'm sorry you're lying that's fine it is lying i not only have i've personally talked about many of the things that you just mentioned i define critical critical race theory by citing the actual authors of critical race theory and you seem to be a pretty good beneficiary of the meritocracy because you have merit malcolm so if you're going to criticize the meritocracy there's an outgrowth of white supremacy then you're going to have to tear down the system that you've succeeded in because you have merit or do you not have merits you know when my great-great-grandfather ran away from slavery to join the 111th u.s colored troops and fight against the south keeping human beings as slaves he didn't think you know what in 150 years my great-great-grandson's gonna have to sit on stage and argue with a guy who thinks all that's all right [Applause] i'm just saying there is no controversy the controversy that's made up is people saying that this is being discussed this is being taught in schools and that kids should be kept away that's not true it's not even a real controversy the fifth largest school district in america clark county just decided that they were going to lower standards with regard to testing because they wanted to alleviate disparities in outcomes that is an outgrowth of critical race theory can you draw a straight line to it yes 100 because when you say that the meritocracy is an outgrowth of white supremacy and then you suggest that i'm somehow denying that slavery took place or that your great great great grandfather was a hero because i'm saying that i want people tested when they are in school to see if they are good at school and then what you are according to that was just nonsense but i think it's also a leap to say that he thought that was because that's not what it is i mean we're talking are we talking about 2021 are we talking about 1861 because the point is can we talk about 1861 and 2021 yes we can and i don't know i don't know who it is i don't know who's against talking about history well i mean i understand that they want to you know in texas they're talking about remember having references to the ku klux klan they're talking about we're moving i mean come on that's texas i mean how can you watch forrest gump without even knowing who nathan bedford forest is right i mean these are people who are historical figures who did bad things no one is actually saying we want to go back and erase everything and restart and talk to you about these things critical race theory is a subject because the republican right has made it a subject no no no no no real school organizations are mandating this course every democrat in america takes your perspective and they will and and they will be shellacked at the polls roy teshera just wrote a piece the emerging democrat majority roy share he just heard a piece about what he called the fox news fallacy a tendency of people on the left to believe that just because fox news mentioned something it can't be real the reality is a lot of this stuff is taught in schools you mean like viruses well okay well can i can i i'm now now i'm just i don't know i don't know i'm just confused can i just what you're talking about what people are experiencing in their lives in their schools yeah okay you're right there are states like from the old confederacy i think who do want to airbrush history that's not i think the majority in this country if you ask me in critical race theory if you say does that mean teach history on varnish i would say yes then i'm totally for critical race theory if you say does it mean acknowledging that racism persists today i would say yes teach that should we have remedial means that's like affirmative action there's lots of people who are against that i'm still for that i still think when you read the statistics and i have some of them here blacks earn 40 percent less 90 less family wealth high poverty high schools 72 blacks to 31 white lives six years shorter half as likely to go to college eight times more incarcerated these are real statistics the question is what how do we what do we do to address them i th what these are real statistics i you think we should address them you think we should address them right the question is what are we doing about it because if ra if critical race theory means making children in school fixate on race i'm not for that if it makes if it's about collective guilt i didn't do anything to your great great great grandfather i don't want to be responsible for that if it's about you know a toxicity of just from being born white uh if it's about dividing everybody into oppressor and oppressive oppressed and oppressor i'm not for that so there are things that are being taught and are going around that i'm not for that if that was critical race there i wouldn't be for i agree with you and i don't think that's critical race theory but it's being okay i think what's happened here what's happened here as this this terminology sort of like defund the police has been hijacked and been framed around the left as that they want to do all this they want to rip down the entire social fabric of america and they want us to be guilty about everything i want you to teach history i had a lot of people in the military hold on i had a lot of people in the military senior officers who had to make life-and-death decisions who were total morons about the cultures and institutions right so in countries we were going into and people died because of that i don't need that here if we agree that history should be taught why are you defending critical race theory which is not history did i not just say a moment ago that i think that term has been hijacked and that's not okay so let's say critical race i'm going to go back and repeat that i didn't say that okay you you are literally defending critical race theory by redefining it as just teaching history which is a cheap semantic trick and you know it is this what you do on your show cause it sucks ice you know nathan [Applause] malcolm i appreciate that but i will i will i will comfort myself sleeping on my bed made of money i'm sure we have an adult i'm sure i'm sure we have that i'm sure we have another adult subject to talk about well how about that andrew cuomo you

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Length: 9min 31sec (571 seconds)

Published: Fri Aug 06 2021

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[u/JustAlexJames03]

I still will never understand how ANYONE can think this little boy is a “badass” or whatever.

[u/GetOutOfTheHouseNOW]

Go on Twitter and each "side" claims their guy burned the other. Shapiro hasn't had anyone truly slam dunk him since he was interviewed by Andrew Neill on the BBC. Maher is a dick for having this troll on his show.

[u/OliverMarkusMalloy]

That moment when you realize Ben is just a little kid in a suit.

[u/reddit_touched_me]

Bed of money and young men, I know his “religious” type.

[u/w0lfmancer]

Ben getting triggered and retreating to the money route to soothe his fragile ego. As his type often do to justify their linear and pathetic views.

[u/AlphaOrioni]

I've got to get back on that show. I've missed maybe the last months. This is gold

[u/Bathroom-Afraid]

This is why I quit watching this show. They bothsides everything by putting right wing degenerate nazis on the show for amusement. The way to deal with these people is to erase them.

[u/Truckngirl63]

Because in Ben Shapiro's world, money is might, and right. If it's at the expense of anything or anyone, no matter to him. He's a media hack, and a narcissist of the worst variety.

[u/benny2012]

Oh? Are his parents worth $2 million as well?

Can we duct tape him to a seat at 35,000ft? That’s a show I’d watch.