Jordan B. Peterson | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)

[Applause] twelve rules for life an antidote to chaos here's a clip from this channel for interview that went viral earlier this year why should your rights to freedom of speech Trump a trans person's right not to be offended because in order to be able to think you have to risk being offensive I mean look at the conversation we're having right now you know like you're certainly willing to risk offending me in the pursuit of truth why should you have the right to do that it's being rather uncomfortable please welcome Jordan Peterson [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] great pleasure to meet you [Music] [Applause] you might have guessed and I love what you just said that in order to be able to think you have to risk being offensive and that went viral that made you very famous why do you think that sparked such a reaction well because I think that what I was saying was self-evidently true but not expressed very well very often I mean look most of the time when you're discussing something that needs to be discussed everybody's actually rather upset about it you know if you're actually talking about something important right because why talk otherwise unless you're just shooting the breeze but if there's an issue at hand that has to be discussed and people are already upset and they have different viewpoints and and the the the offensiveness in some sense is built into that and you know that because if you have a family if you have a wife if you have an intimate relationship and you're discussing something that's difficult the probability that you're not going to offend each other if you're actually having the conversation is zero and so you don't have to think unless you have a problem and if you have a problem then when you think you're going to offend people and so whatever you're not gonna think that seems like a bad idea yeah you're obviously not an American we love but but you know I used to do a show called politically incorrect back in the 90s and I was always asked what is your definition of political correctness and I would had to come up with one I said it's the elevation of sensitivity over truth which seems like what it still is except it's worse than ever we really like that it's more like the elevation of moral posturing about sensitivity over truth it's even worse yeah so where did it come from why did we get how did we get to this place where we're so fragile the safe space people oh I think I think that you can pretty much blame it on the universities I think that they've pursued especially in the humanities and and in the social science as well if they've pursued a policy of a radical leftist policy with an overlay of post-modernism which kind of a literary criticism approach that's produced all of this as far as I can tell I think you can lay a lot of it at the feet of faculties like the faculties of Education there was an article in The Chronicle of Higher Education this week just it would just just devastated the faculties of Education taking them to task for low academic standards and for possession by ideology and for and for and for basically indoctrinating people in a cult-like manner and playing identity politics and group identity and no free speech yeah well there was an incident in Fresno State I don't know if you saw this but Barbara Bush died okay some professor there tweeted something nasty hmm yeah I wouldn't have tweeted it it she called Barbara Bush a racist and said she raised war criminals okay you know it's it's yeah well the timing this grad likes it but but it's it's nasty and she's they're considering suspending her and here's what the president of the University said he said this was beyond free speech this was disrespectful hopefully have we lost the thread back to knowing what free speech is yes it can be disrespectful that is covered under free speech president of Fresno yeah idiot Jesus Christ yeah well you see you see this - I I think where it's manifesting itself in a particularly appalling manner is in the increasing on unwillingness of comedians for example to go on University campuses to be funny and when a comedians none of them yeah well exactly exactly yeah them I mean I'm not gonna I call these people emotional hemophiliacs you know it's like the least little thing will make them start to bleed but it makes me it cuz their their answer is not to go into a room full of sharp objects the answer is to make all of us wear bubble wrap so nothing we ever do makes them have a moment of discomfort well there's a very narcissistic well there's also this idea that's promoted by the people who are protecting those who are easily offended that the way to make people secure is to protect them from things that they don't want to encounter and right isn't a clinician like I'm a trained clinical psychologist and there isn't a clinician in the country who's worth his or her salt that would ever make that claim because you don't make people first of all it's hard to make people safe because life is seriously not safe yes and the way that you make the way that you make people resilient is by exposing them to things that they're afraid of and that make them uncomfortable voluntarily but you use exposure right and it's a and so like if you if you over coddle people if you protect them from everything that's sharp you make them dull and stupid and and narcissistic and it's a really bad idea so you do know America one thing I love your book is bad test again one of the rules that I really love is you say don't let your kids do anything that would make you not like them mm-hmm that's what I've been thinking for years hmm when I call them the you mom generation when I when I see kids never in life because I never go near a child but but like on TV and movies I see kids like saying you mom yeah if somebody who wasn't your child did that you'd be immensely offended where is the parents just take it hmm what's up with that well people people don't like to admit that they can dislike their children or children in general and right no they totally can one of the things you see very commonly as a clinical psychologist is families who family members who hate each other and who it's like they have their hands around each other's necks for 20 years and are squeezing very slowly trying to strangle each other and so and you see parents who clearly detest their children and have ever since they were born and part of that I know it's a terrible way of looking at things but it's true it's so true and one of the things what no parents can find that in me cuz I don't have kids yeah well that makes it safe no but they say things like yeah I love my kids but have had to do it over again I wouldn't Pierre won't like will don't tell the kid that that is so bad because the thing is about about little kids is that little kids have have a wonderful element to them and if they and most people spontaneously like little kids they'll give them a chance and if you have little kids one of the things that's so wonderful about it is that when you bring them out into the world even people who aren't in good shape rough people and who maybe don't have much patience for humanity it brings out the best in them you know and so people are willing to give your kids a chance but then if they misbehave especially if they're rude and and they don't have any respect and they're whiny and they don't know how to listen then people don't like your kids and you don't and then the kids your kids go out into a world where no one likes them and that's what you well that's what you do your kids you send them out into that world but right but but how did how did parents get so pussy-whipped by the vigor only children I mean that's really what it is I mean it's it's like they act the way a guy acts when he's super sprung on some chick and just lets her walk all over him and whatever she does he puts up with I don't get how how we got to that I think parents are afraid of exercising Authority because they tend to think that Authority will crush the creative spirit of their child oh well [Laughter] I know I see everything this man says I think it's common sense we get crucified for what we hate I don't think anything we say is controversial at all I just had a kid it's hard figuring it out by the way everyone is neurotic that's why we have a hard time raising children the right way because we live in the most neurotic insane over connected crazy world Donald Trump is our president right it's a crazy time

Channel: Real Time with Bill Maher

Views: 8,739,929

Rating: 4.7209496 out of 5

Keywords: Michael Avenatti, Stormy Daniels, 2008, affair, Donald Trump, Clinical Psychologist, Jordan Peterson, 12 Rules for Life, Am Antidote to Chaos and Professor at the University of Toronto, Frank Bruni, New York Times, Governor Jay Inslee, Democrat, Washington, Alex Wagner, CBS News, The Atlantic, FUTUREFACE, A Family Mystery, An Epic Quest, and the Secret to Belonging

Id: 8wLCmDtCDAM

Length: 9min 36sec (576 seconds)

Published: Fri Apr 20 2018

Reddit Comments

[u/G0ldunDrak0n]

Holy shit. That title of yours is no understatement.

[1:35] if you have a family, if you have a wife, if you have an intimate relationship, and you're discussing something that's difficult, the probability that you're not going to offend each other, if you're actually having a conversation, is zero. And so, you don't have to think unless you have a problem. And if you have a problem, then when you think you're gonna offend people. And so-- what, or we not gonna think ?

And then...

[7:55] people are willing to give your kids a chance. But then if they misbehave, especially if they're rude, and they don't have any respect, and they're whiny, and they don't know how to listen, then people don't like your kids, and you don't. And then your kids go out into a world where no one likes them.

TL;DR: "I can be offensive because I'm old."

The double standard is staggering.

All right, as a conclusion :

[8:55] Everything this man says, I think it's common sense. [...] We get crucified for what we say, I don't think anything we said is controversial, at all.

That's the thing about traditionalism and conformism. They're exactly the type of stuff your brain percieves as "common sense" : nice, pre-established patterns. Don't trust your brain. Stop listening to people telling you how things should be. Have some introspective time, and think about what you think is common sense, and more importantly why you think that. (Edit : reagarding "common sense", this thread I just read feels relevant.)

People like Peterson are going to present you with a philosophy based on getting information (from books, etc.) and then acting on it. That leaves no room for introspective doubt. Asking yourself why you believe some stuff is the first step to realizing there's no actual reason for that belief, and that you can pretty much let it go altogether.

Sorry for the rant.

[u/ArvinaDystopia]

Seems Maher went off the deep end, and that he didn't do his research on Peterson.

Peterson said (paraphrased) atheism does not stand up to a tiny bit of scrutiny and always leads to immoral actions after a short period of time, I'm not sure Maher would call himself a "big fan" if he knew that.

[u/[deleted]]

Why do white cishets hate trans people in particular? Like, Maher especially, he's a centrist/liberal, you would think he'd hate right wing fuckheads.

But its always trans people.

[u/Mr_Conductor_USA]

You'd think Peterson's contempt for young people might shake his teenage fans, but his fans likely have parents just as contemptuous and probably a far sight meaner than Peterson. Being dismissed is what they know.

[u/[deleted]]

Free speech for me, not for thee.

[u/Mira_Mogs]

Old out of touch white men displaying an astonishing lack of self awareness? Noooo......that can't happen....

/s

[u/mericastradamus]

Ok, what does it mean then?

[u/electricmink]

These guys can pretty much go fuck themselves.

[u/_Freedom2020]

I am actually disappointed by Bill Maher. It seemed at first that he is just trying to challenge the mainstream left, but not going full anti-sjw, but with this interview he actually showed his true face.

I think that the argument as presented by Cathy Newman is not the right argument. It is not about the right of not being offended but about the positive right of being offended.

If somebody's world view is seems offensive to me and not true, i have the right to argue with him. I don't need to automatically accept everything someones says, just because he got the right of speech. While i don't think that every hate speech should be banned by law, uproars and protests are definitely allowed.