Azie Faison on the Life & Death of Alpo, Rich Porter & the Real Paid in Full Story (Full Interview)

all right here we go az faison welcome back to vlad tv yes indeed playboy what's happening man what's what's on your mind what's on your mind black well you know we did an interview five years ago it was a it was a very big interview a lot of people saw it millions and millions of people got to view it but with the recent passing of alpo we thought we'd bring you back and talk about that whole situation and kind of recap your story one more time for everyone that hasn't seen the original yes sir okay so let's go ahead and start in the very beginning so you were born in the 60s in new york 1964 yes sir bronx new york moved to harlem when i was six years old well living in the bronx i mean number one how many brothers and sisters uh yeah the five sisters two brothers okay uh same father different fathers uh different fathers different fathers okay so in terms of your father in your household was your father around or it was a single mother situation my father met my father met my mother when when she was 20 years old and she already had maybe like five children already and uh my father was 40 at the time but he told my mom he got it and he stayed with her until he passed away brother took care of took care of took care of her until he passed away good man good guy a good man great man one of the greatest men i ever met in my life went to work and just came home and took care of his family never drunk never did none of the foolishness bro okay but your mom had five kids by the time she was 20 yes yes my sister okay did you ever ask her do you ever ask her why so many children at such a young age no i guess you know being young out there at the time you know it is what it is bro i i don't know but i never i never i never asked a question i just understood and just realized that i got to play my role to help provide for my family bro well you're originally living in the bronx but i guess the building ended up burning down yeah the building burned down uh the building burned down when i was six years old me and my little sister was in the building in the apartment my mother had left out the house and uh left us in the house because she was running to the store but she was cooking and i think she took whatever happened the [ __ ] caught on fire and my pops rescued me and my sister from the fire and we stood outside we watched the whole building burned down and then we was placed in the shelter for about six months until we uh was located in holland relocated in holland 146 at st nicholas sugar hill it's pretty rough though to be in a shelter for half a year with that many kids yes that being at six years old you know you don't really know the difference it's just what it is but i guess my mom and pops they understood what it was but you have to you know do what you got to do brother under the circumstances okay so after the shelter you then relocate to sugar hill in harlem yes sir okay so what was harlem like uh during that time because we're talking about the early 70s uh on the hill it was a lot of you know sugar hill was it was uh popular man because all the major spots hangouts you know after-hours spots the bars the uh gambling spots was right there in that area man you had the blue book mark four uh triggers lounge uh what's the name of that i was about marshalls gambling but it was you know it was it was the place to be sugar hill in that area bro for the night life you feel me right and i mean during that time you had kind of some legendary street figures from harlem uh i mean if you go back you had bumpy johnson you had you know you move forward a little bit you have frank lucas nikki barnes and so forth yes sir did those types of names ring bells when you were growing up of course you heard about the nikki bonds and uh bumpy johnson there was an old man named chisholm chisholm was bumpy johnson one of his right-hand man and he used to live on the hill he grew up in that section he was uh doing the same work that bumpy was doing for a woman named miss harriet body garden because she was a number banker at that time the woman name is harriet so he used to come in the cleanest when i was working in the cleaners and we used to tell me all the old stories about bumpy johnson and stuff like that you know he told me one time that uh chisholm said that he he said some real foul to uh lucky luciano him and bumpy he had a meeting with lucky in them and he said something fouls are lucky you know i'm not gonna say it but you know and said something real crazy to him then lucky took off he said look he took off his pinky ring a platinum ring and gave it to him and said bumper you got a good man here because anybody talked to me like that i'd have murdered him this is what he said what's what cheers told me so you know old man cheers i think he's still living man and uh you give a shout out to cheers i learned a lot from that man about about the streets well during that time heroin was really the drug of choice in the 70s yes in the 70s now growing up as a kid in that area did you see the junkies or the the dope houses or anything around around on sugar hill it wasn't like that i'm not gonna lie upon the hill it wasn't like that but you heard about it like being on 16th street down in that area on 16th street down in the valley like in that area it wasn't on the hill that much but you heard about it the people leaning in the street you hear about big hand cloyd you hear all these stories but it wasn't on the hill like that yeah i mean sugar hill from what i understand was where like some of the black movie stars were living and so forth right yeah some of them was up there there was a building called the bari building a lot of famous people lived in that building right i think i think kareem abdul-jabbar live in there uh gil scott herron lived in there uh a few a few people man a few people okay but you know by this time after you guys moved to sugar hill um was your mom still on welfare and still struggling or would you guys stabilize those no definitely definitely she was on welfare she was on welfare when we moved to sugar hill 1970 yes she was on welfare and uh being honest man you know we when the welfare used to pop up on us you you know my partner had to climb out the window we lived on the first floor he had to climb out the window because if you your parents they would cut you off for welfare if you got a man in the house providing for the family so you know you had to do all those type of things to survive bro yeah that's such a backward system to this day i mean the fact that you get penalized by having a man in the house like is just just crazy to me you know i i guess they don't you know if you if you could have with the money that they was given back then you still couldn't really survive off of that [ __ ] bro you understand if you got to eat bologna sandwiches and [ __ ] like that for for dinner every night you know what i mean but uh it definitely it'll definitely force you to do something against the law bro under those circumstances now rich porter at what age did you actually get to know him initially uh i think i met rich maybe when he was like 13 14. i think he lives he lived on convent and i lived on saint nicholas it's like one block apart same block 146 he lived on 146th and confident and i lived on st nicholas okay now rich porter actually started selling initially heroin at age 12. so that was like around 1977. so by the time you met him was he already selling drugs um not not really he was not really i've known him selling newspapers you know uh anything to try to stay afloat and [ __ ] and he i known himself as the first thing i normally saw was was uh sage and eggs he would cook up the sage and eggs and it smells like hash and he would sell it to the white boys coming out of jersey as hash and they would buy it you feel me but it was sage and names and he's he did that until i think he got with it with a cat named ellison and him and ellison started selling i believe herrera and i think he stamped his hair on bags was called much better and he started making money doing that okay so you're growing up in harlem you're going to high school but then in the ninth grade you end up dropping out yes sir i dropped down tonight was there a reason why you dropped out to make ends meet man being honest being honest the reason why i dropped out because i was working in the cleanest right i started working at the cleaners and um i felt if i was work full-time i'll make more money and [ __ ] you feel me but but my salary never changes i still got 75 a week and that's all i ever made and i clean this for 75 hours a week you understand and uh even though i used to get tips when i delivered clothes and you know certain things like that but uh that's the reason why i dropped out being honest to try to help make ends meet bro okay so you're working at the cleaners and the owner of the cleaners was actually an ex-drug dealer himself right he wasn't a drug dealer he was a a number writer okay he's just you know take numbers and [ __ ] you feel me and all the all the number bankers used to come in here every saturday morning and dropped the numbers off to him he was like a banker uh him and this guy named junior he's delivered he's delivering the bari building to these with number bankers you feel me and that's what that's what the cleanest was at first it was like a front it wasn't really supposed to be a cleanest but uh it eventually you know start picking up the business start picking up doing cleaning stuff so it became a cleanest yes okay so you're working the cleaners and at this point you're 100 legit you're just doing your your nine-to-five job getting your your little money good kid good kid good kid good she's a good kid uh helping your mom out with rent money that's it then so forth yes sir we're now in terms of your age your brothers and sisters were they older younger are you in the middle my sisters three sisters is older than me and my brother my oldest brother was older than me so i feel i'm i was the middle kid because i got a younger sister two younger sisters and a younger brother so i was in the middle definitely okay and by this point were any of your siblings dabbling in the streets at all not at all my sister's my sister maybe was messing with guys from the streets you know two of them to my knowledge they were messing with guys from the street but they wasn't doing anything illegal themselves nobody okay so here you are working at the cleaners doing the straight and narrow thing but rich is already starting to to really ramp up in his you know in terms of his street activities yes and by 1981 by right around 15 16 years old rich's first car was a bmw bmw black on black 528 e black and white lamb cease black punk system yes but before that la is man la because i mean la hooked up la was like the first first young dude in our generation that i seen with a brand new car it was a saab 900 turbo rem doubt system la had to be about 15 16 years old and this is how he's pulling up in the streets bro okay so you have these these kids who are you know sophomore juniors in high school if they're even going to school pulling up in what the equivalent today is like 50 60 000 cars foreign cars yes sir back then okay and how did that affect you like seeing seeing your friend pulling up on a car like this wow i remember i'll never forget the date i'll never forget the day uh was playing two-hand touch football like the crew my crew from the block is like you know who i grew up with like in the block you know the ones that was trying to go to straight and narrow and [ __ ] like stan winnie fats uh sterl we used to play two and my brother kev we used to play two and touch football in the block all the time and i never forget the date rich la uh cat named duwop craigo uh john john they all flying through in foreign cars volvos bms audi back to back and we had to like jump back out the streets because they almost hit us and i'm like wow bruh well i think we playing the wrong game we think we played the wrong games young boys got foreign cars [ __ ] they doing systems in that joint i looked at crazy dogs and i don't think we played football no more after that bro anybody went home and said hey we gotta put a plan together you know fax okay and was it around that time that rich was uh having you hold some drugs and guns and so forth rich rich used to come to the cleaners and drop off clothes and i used to get my clothes done when i for free so i know jimmy knew it was in my clothes whatever but i used to pretend that it was my clothes and i would get his clothes for free and he you know cleaned for free and uh he would give me some money this is how we you know became cool and uh i used to do this on the regular form and we became tight and he was like yo i need you to hold this for me bro i need you to hold that for me certain things might be drugs sometime and you know one time it's definitely with a gun and uh i used to hold it in the cleaners stashes somewhere in there yes that's facts okay so you were doing that for him but you weren't actually dabbling yourself at that no i wasn't i wasn't doing anything bro i was just just holding it for him at that point then in 1983 the movie scarface comes out yes sir and from what i understand that just changed everyone's perception of of the drug game it taught you it taught you the game bro if you didn't know now you know now you know bro it definitely blew a lot of people's mind you feel me hypnotize a lot of people bro you feel me okay and was it later that year after scarface came out do you met lulu it seemed like it was right around the corner brothers like i met lulu and then uh he gave me he you know he gave me some work i took it to the streets and next thing you know i'm in the game bro i'm in the game overnight overnight success the prices was the best the material was the best and it was a coke i never sold crack a day of my life with straight coat and the bottles and uh blew up overnight bro overnight well lulu was dominican right i think he was colombian bro i think he was colombian i think so bro oh okay so he's colombian and he has some crazy connect where he has as many kilos as he needs give what you yes sir yes sir and he just basically i mean he was shopping at the cleaners right that's how you guys met no he wasn't shopping in the cleaners he was uh he used to have a spot on 157th street and um between broadway and amsterdam a pool hall and uh a friend of mine being honest used to go up there and buy things from in uh introduced me to him and he knew that i was working in the cleaners and one thing led to the next i think i found something he gave me some clothes or some [ __ ] i really went down i can't really recall bro but i found some [ __ ] in his pocket and i gave it back to him he's like now keep that and then one thing led to the next i took that [ __ ] to the streets and and that's how we became connected bro oh okay so in the basics in the movie they made it so like you know they didn't put all that in it because they don't want to drag it out you feel me but you know but it was similar to something like that in the movie if you understand what i'm saying okay so he basically just gives you some free cocaine not a lot it was just a little bit like two grams that i found keep that bro but i take it i take it you know to to someone let them test it out they said it was some good [ __ ] you feel me and they bought it all for me and i take them back the money he was like okay cool next thing you know you fill me in i start getting you know a little bit of [ __ ] but i'm moving that [ __ ] like i'm moving it so fast so fast that it was unbelievable to him because like really i'm getting robbed i'm really getting robbed industry because i don't really know that i'm giving so much away for such a young prices [ __ ] you feel me and that's that's how that started bro well i mean in that early time i mean you're dealing with drug addicts and these are not the nicest of people you know uh are they are they trying to you know do anything to you you know knowing that you're green as well back then back then being honest see crack and cocaine is two different type of people cokeheads is like you know they they they classy still they not no bombs and [ __ ] you feel i'm saying that's a rich man's eye it's just so they're carrying themselves you know with respect it's a difference when you're dealing with a crackhead that's thirsty you know do anything for that [ __ ] you know what i mean it's a difference so coquettes you know i don't want to call them coke just these people a little they got a little more class so you ain't got nothing to worry about and that feel to me personally speaking got it okay so so here you are you're starting to work with lulu he's giving you some coke you sell it come back get some more coke but you're still working the dry cleaners i'm not even working it when i'm work i'm not even working in the cleanest at that point when i'm really moving with lulu like that right but right around that time though i guess the the owner of the cleaner starts to find drugs and stuff you know he found fires you he found he i stashed i was stashing something for rich he found it he got mad told me you had to let me go because of you know blah blah blah blah i wasn't mad because i'm ready to go to the streets anyway man you know what i mean for real but people prior for me selling coke i was selling liquor bootlegging liquor in the cleanest on sundays in other words i would take my 75 that he would pay me and i would um go to the liquor store and spend the 75 dollars on liquor because sunday the liquor stores was closed but the people wanted liquor anyway so i would charge them double for the bottle so my 75 would turn into 150. that's that was my like my first hustle and he would let me do that he would he he would let me do that on sundays you feel me got it got it now by by 1985 rich porter ends up getting into a like a shooting situation yes sir okay what exactly was that about i guess someone had tried to shoot at him and he said la la got killed la got killed by the rooftop that's the guy that you know wanted after la got killed i guess they was trying to murder rich uh he was getting his car washed on 109th and madden avenue some dudes trying to shoot at him he had his gun on him he firing at them the police come they catch rich and the other two get get away rich had a bulletproof vessel on him and a gun so he locked rich up and he wind up copping out for a year in prison for the gun he wound up during the year in prison got it so rich goes away yes sir and during that time that's when you started getting deeper into the cocaine i'm gone now i'm i'm moving 100 miles an hour 30 000 a day with these by myself on the stoop brother hand-to-hand yep and this is 1985. so is crack hitting new york right around that time crack is there crack is there like i said it's two different customs two different worlds it was a spot called 404 right around the corner from 146 between convent and uh saint nichola the spot called 4-4 free base before they turned it was called crack killing them killing them they get to be making at least about 40 or 50 thousand dollars a day in there easy easy now when the spot get busted back then they would lock them up but they would let them go and drop the case because the case the coke when they when they sent it to the laboratory the [ __ ] came back as baking soda so it was it was like a everybody stopped selling heroin and whatever they were selling everybody started selling crack in the hoods because you couldn't go to jail for that [ __ ] for about a year and that's how it exploded to me like you know what i mean until they found out what it is and then they put a law on it you feel me labeled it cracking you know you start doing time for it but the damage personally the damage already have been done bro yeah but you personally you're only doing cocaine yes and by this time you know as as rich as going to prison are you do you have spots are you you know working corners or are you just wholesaling i started out on the hill and my mother's in where i lived there in the building where i lived there then i got locked up up there on some [ __ ] they caught me with a couple of bottles i got out of prison and the next day they locked me up again i was like yo somebody must be telling on me and i gotta move from here so uh boogaloo which is known as gangster though his mother had an after hour spot on 145th street between linux and 7th avenue called the green door but it was closed she haven't been in she haven't been opening for a couple of years so i i said to her mom let me get that spot i give you 700 of the week for it so he said okay i got the spot i started telling all the customers this way i'm gonna be at this where i'm gonna be at this where i'm gonna be at that joint start making fifty thousand dollars a week bro overnight the green door then after the green door was successful right up the block this dude was selling he had a storefront i said let me buy this storefront and i i turned it into a game room called the jukebox you feel me bought some went downtown bought some some games and [ __ ] tron you know all the game that was hot at that time pacman paid for them up front so i could have the locks to the game so we could stash the drugs inside the machines of the game you feel me and and they were still selling in the green door but you come out of the green door after you sell the pack you come put your money in the machine take another pack and go back to the green door and that's how how that begun that operation began so i had the hill in the jukebox at that time when rich came home right so rich comes home from prison and you two link up and he's ready to jump right back in the drug game of course of course when he come home and rich come home i know he need a car so we get that out the way first he he wanted to solve he wanted to solve 9 000. i give him money by the saab 9 000. and i give him a bird a whole burden rich know what he's doing he took off running he back involved okay so you're rocking with rich and does alpo come in the picture right about now alpo is in the picture when rich is in prison aha this is what happened let me let me share what i know how i met out for i used to play basketball on 139th street in uh linux the park over there to have the game something like the rucker they used to play game ball over there i'm driving through that block up the from from lenox to seventh i see a motorcycle following behind me i make the right 145th make the left pull in front of the the jukebox the bike the dude get off the bike he's behind me i get out the car he get off the bike he greet me say yo mouthful so what's good bro he said yo i used to work with rich man before you know he got locked up man i'm just trying to see if me and you could get together and you know and continue my business i say yo i think i've seen you with rich before i said listen man rich gonna call me he called me every morning when he called me my accident was good and if you say let's go no problem we can make something happen bro rich call me the next day i say yo yo man dude name out he said yeah yeah it's my man look out for him look out for him and then he said okay cool i looked out for him and uh that's how we got connected bro aha so so you're actually working with alpo while rich is still in prison yeah i'm i'm giving him work and he's like giving him an a for coke and he taking it to the east side and he's doing what he do yeah always paid me on time never [ __ ] up my money he was a real dude yeah you know at that point yeah well alpo started selling drugs at 13 years old in east harlem okay so by the time you guys link up you know he had already been doing it for a while so he's he's already seasoned uh you know in the drug game now then rich comes home and do the three of you start to kind of gel up uh like i said rich come home i put him back in position we all cool he know rich and we rocking but alpha working with me now what happened was some cats robbed the jukebox right police started rolling in the jukebox heavy action questions you know it became really hot to the point where i i called my crew i'm like listen bro i don't want no more parts of the jukebox i feel this [ __ ] is on fire this [ __ ] about to end i'm gonna open up this other spot on 134th between seven for linux good dope sell itself wherever i put my work at they was coming bro i had no problem with that right so um everybody i'm coming with you hey everybody that was you know they're like you know me he said i'm coming with you wait i said all right i'll pull let me get that joint let me have it [ __ ] that so alpo took it and he hired some dudes from around the way to work it just said jay and uh i forgot the name of the other brothers but they was running it it was still making a lot of money i just didn't want it because i felt it was on fire and i got up out of there and i opened up that spot a man black yogi he showed me a spot on between fifth in linux 130th between fifth and linux we took that that became an overnight success and then i then after that uh my message my man sharing me at a store on 132nd between seventh and linux more close to seventh cold first base it was a candy store i said sure let me get that man gave him some money for i said i'm gonna let you work it though but i'm gonna put some work in here and that became an overnight success that became like headquarters the location 132. well alpo talked about how the two of you really started to meet and so forth and he said there was a situation in the beginning where i guess someone had tried to shoot at you uh and rob you and uh and alpo basically you know when he heard the story he went and got some guns and ended up shooting at the guys that try to rob you and he said that after that y'all became kind of cool because he was doing some of the dirty work for you this is what happened in that situation it was this guy that we hadn't encountered before over which i say my baby mother patricia right we had a little beef but we swatched it just like maybe six months before this incident happened and a friend of mine one of my workers named kato in the building we had on 34th street we had the second floor apartment but downstairs was a wee spot so this is the same cat he was buying weed in the weave spot and cato and him had words like bumped into each other you [ __ ] ass thinking about murder murder you cato was a wild boy so they had words i don't know if dude took that ass you feel me like this [ __ ] still want beef so that later on that day we standing on the on the block on the corner these three dudes just roll up and start firing on it i'm lucky bro i'm standing they got me right there like bang bang bang bang but the bullets don't hit me so i'm like damn bro i don't know cato did this yet i'm not sure what took place so i said yo dawg we gotta we gotta we gotta handle it so pope i tell them what happened [ __ ] go get guns we go on they block you he wasn't by himself he was all there [ __ ] was shooting at him it jumped off and and that's what happened with that nobody got nobody got murdered nobody got hurt the next day dude brother came and hollered at me we talked we explained the situation to each other how he jumped off he let me know what happened and we swatched it the next day he didn't know that you know he thought that you know and we fixed that and that went away but yeah yeah that's that's what happened with that situation he definitely wouldn't got his guns and he definitely came back really blazing and all that but he wasn't alone we was it was a few dudes with us just as well yes well there's another situation that alpo handled with a guy named travis yes sir so according to alpo in an interview that he did he said that travis was working for you but at one point he started stealing and alpo caught travis and tried to kill him he actually beat him down and put like a a rope around his deck and try to throw him out the window and hang him he'll say for the rope what happened was it's like you know the spot on 134th street travels that travis was in there working so i would pop up sometime and check on dudes look at the work and make sure it's my work that's being sold this time i pop up being outpo popped up like oh who's [ __ ] is this oh police went crazy start beating them up [ __ ] travis trying to get out of here then he like he damned it threw him out the window it was a second floor window travis got up out of there and ran that's what happened that day bro it wasn't no rope and trying to kill him for him i'm not going to go that far but yeah he he he handled that like that bro well the rest of the thief the travis man all these dudes with good dudes and when i think about it it's all sad at the end of the day well there is yet another situation that alpo talked about where i guess there were some stick up kids that were robbing your spot uh alpo found out who did it snatched up one of the guys in a van and found out who the rest of the guys were and end up killing some of them i don't i don't believe that to be true bro i don't believe i don't think alpha kill nobody for me at that point like nah that's what happened something like i said someone robbed the spot i spoke on this a minute ago someone robbed the spot police was coming it was you know and the dudes that robbed the spot to my knowledge they they was trying to rob a bar on 145th street and eighth avenue with a bar in the corner right there and they wind up getting killed in that situation i don't know who killed them you know i don't know if alpo taking that ass yo i handle that but i don't think he had nothing to do with that but those dudes wind up getting killed for that so so the the situation over uh over those kids getting killed uh over the whole you know robbing the bar and everything alpo taking credit for it oh yeah yeah i don't i don't i don't i don't think he did that bro it's like like i'm saying with another guy he wound up getting shot up on the hill named g-man by by another cat thing a older dude that used to work with me named chico and chico said he did that i caught that [ __ ] yo and i shot him but he didn't die and [ __ ] but chico was another wild boy and that that he loved me and [ __ ] when he heard that happen when he seen him he just did that on gp but he didn't he didn't kill him the facts okay so regardless of who alpo was killing around that time he is very violent yes yes people people people feared alpo they feared him because they know he would he would do what he got to do to protect his his money he ain't gonna let nobody [ __ ] up his [ __ ] you understand so definitely bro yeah and you know and he talked about you know when he first met you he was like okay this a-z dude is is who i'm i'm rocking with and i'm gonna do whatever it takes to make sure that he's good because that'll make sure that i'm good and our operation is good and he's just willing to go all out yes sir facts okay i mean outside these situations that we talked about what were some of the other violent things that you had seen or or heard about alpo doing during this time alpo smacked people he would sleep with [ __ ] girls and let him let it be known tell him this [ __ ] he was doing a lot of crazy [ __ ] man like [ __ ] you know i think one time someone stole somebody watch big dave watch stripped the dude they found the watch maybe smacked them up beat the [ __ ] out of them i remember one time we was downtown steakhouse and uh somebody had us double parked in and you know dude paul said yo let him wait man wait man wait police knocked him out and it was a garbage truck they picked him up and threw him in a garbage truck and um [ __ ] like you know he used to just do [ __ ] you know wild [ __ ] all the time bro i'll post the type of dude doing his wheelies he would kick the police car be on the side of the pole he kicked the police car so they could chase him this is what he you know he he loved he loved he loved it that attention bro you feel me loved with that [ __ ] bro he just loved it wherever you go he got it he got to let it be known outpost here outpost in the building that's what type of duty was to me bro yeah but during this whole time you're running an illegal drug operation and you're trying to stay below the radar and here you got this psychopath essentially who's beating people up allegedly shooting people kicking cop cars you know [ __ ] you know people's girls i mean like that the whole scene in paid and full where he was playing like the porno and everything did that did that actually happen was he recording himself i don't know where he i never really been in the rooftop like that to see where they would even have something like that on the stream i don't think that happened but i know one time we had a movie camera camera and he might have filmed someone but i don't think he would show it on a big screen if he showed it to him they would maybe looking at it through the camera inside of the rooftop not on a big string like that bro he might have did that were you concerned though at this point that you have this dude who's obviously wild and attracting a ton of attention to something that you don't want anyone to even know about all the time brother all the time i old fam why man calm down relax bruh relax when i'm there when i'm around he never do nothing that crazy [ __ ] though never bro it was like he listened to me he listened to me for real yo calm down you all right all right you right you're right you're right he will listen to me now when i leave turn it up i guess but when i'm there calm down bro relax man you feel me so i used to i used to always be the one that got to put the fire out that he starts [ __ ] want to be beefing you know things coming yo your man they'll come you know paul you got to chill man you're right you're right but i'm not here all the time bro i'm not there all the time at this point if the two you ever bump heads get into arguments or you know almost things start escalating and so forth no he never he never i'm keeping it 100 this is real talk the man never violated me bro he listened he followed instructions he was making money he paid me on time he never not paid me let me just say this let me say this bro he said i gave him the jukebox which was a business that was least making about 70 to 80 000 a week right i gave this to this man i gave him apartment in linux terrace in which we used to stash the drugs that a safe was there a lot of money was in the safe and i used to keep working the safe i gave him the combination to the safe so you don't have to always be looking for me just go there and do what you do everything was always on point money was correct everything was when i went to go get it it was on point you feel me so my thing was do you let's take care of business right but calm down with all that wow [ __ ] it was no reason to me it was no reason for you to have to be acting crazy well you get money fall back but he loved that [ __ ] bro he loved it he loved it i guess bro okay and by this time you guys are really rolling in money uh from what i understand you had 40 cars a total a total a total not all at once but totally about about 50 50 60 cars totally wow totally wide cars every two two two hey i said every month for every two months bro and and and it was easy to do that way the formula i had set up to me i was just buying a car for free if you understand what i'm saying but i got 10 birds 10 kilos on the table and i take two 2 kilos which is 2 000 grams of cut and mix it in with the 10 000 grams that money that's like a free eighty thousand dollars and those kilos is going within a month time so i could buy that's just like free money it's not costing me nothing to buy a car really you understand what i'm saying and that's how i was doing it bro i just bought cars for me i bought girls cars i bought my people i bought lua car stand a car you know pat a few cars it was nothing bro it was free and if everybody would have followed my lead like follow how just stay with us bro don't go go out of town you don't need to work from nobody else we got the i got this if anybody followed my lead nobody would have to bleed bro and i say that from the heart bro right and it's not just you it's all three of y'all are really ballin uh from what i understand rich porter never wore the same outfit twice exactly you know uh you know alpo had had cars all you all had the truck jewels all you know the dapper dan outfits we made that but then yeah we set the trends all the rappers followed that trend but alpo was like that with dan's mannequin and whatever you know they saw him do they wanted it you feel me and and that's how that went bro okay now at one point alpo started to actually go out to dc yes sir um you weren't really down for that though that was his thing let me put it like this after i got shot after i got shot 87 the police the detectives they told me my whole operation i don't know how they knew it but they told me listen we know your man got this you got the house in jersey you got this car that car we not here for that we just want to know who shot you bro but when they told me this i was like wow it's time for me to you know surrender i had a good lawyer he gave me advice on what to do he said listen they gonna come they coming for you bro they coming for you at that time my lawyer he was he was handling a case for some other people from holland i'm not going to say their names but he played the tape of their phone their phone was being tapped and the wire tap he played the tape for me to hear how the feds operate the night that i got shot they was calling each other like the dudes that they was investigating yo you heard what happened to a.z don't you heard what happened man they've called it you know back to on the tape one of them called the girls like you heard whatever she was like who's ac you know them [ __ ] getting money on 36 of them young [ __ ] getting money this is on the table so he stopped the tape he said the reason why i played this tape for you i want you to hear with the feds here now your name is on their radar you're gonna be next i advise you to give them what they want but i'm gonna have them grant you immunity so no case nothing probably from this they don't gonna be held against you in no court of law and i rolled with it bro and i rolled with it to the point where i got to back off now i tell richard them what's happening i tell them about the tape and all that but one monkey don't stop no show too much money coming in [ __ ] and the band played on they keep it going rich get with fritz alpo going out of town and i'm [ __ ] bringing duffel bags of money in bro they making more money than we was making now because they into the crack whatever whatever whatever fritz giving them boxes richard you know me and that's that's how i saw it bro when i came back you know on the streets after being out of the loop for about two months well uh i interviewed kevin chiles yes sir uh around that time did you guys have a relationship at all i don't i didn't i didn't know that dude i didn't know that dude i met him through jesus spanish god named jesus i believe jesus came to me and said y'all want to let's go play some ball with these dudes i heard of him but i didn't know him you understand uh we played a game of ball we played two games for like five thousand whatever we played for i think we won the first game and i think we played a second game but the [ __ ] started jumping off arguments and i said man i don't want to play no more i got my car left i ain't giving [ __ ] about the money whatever just just left that was the only time to my knowledge that i was in his presence i didn't know him oh you feel me got it okay and we're gonna we're gonna come back to this topic a little bit later yes sir but i just wanted to kind of set that up okay so you know and you touched on this and i just want to get into a little more detail on it so so in 1987 uh you were coming back to one of your spots and then that's when the insanity popped off with the whole you know with the whole attempted you know murder robbery and so forth so so take me through the steps as you're walking up to that door the night that happened with playing ball on the east side i swear i hate talking about this [ __ ] man but i feel this gonna be my last interview talking about these stories i'm never gonna talk about this [ __ ] again i swear to god if i do someone blow my [ __ ] brains out i'm tired of this [ __ ] but uh that night with playing ball on the east side after we finished playing ball i walked 128th in in uh what was it on 28th in lexington we finished playing ball came back to the location 132 the block is crowded man customers fiends all over the place ain't nobody got no work on the block i used to leave the [ __ ] up in the bronx in the stash at my aunt's house which her name is joanne blue so i called up there to see if she was home because i was going to send someone up there to get some work she wasn't there as i got off the phone corner phone she pull up i said damn i'm just calling you she said yeah i'm on my way home now i should be there in the next 20 minutes i said i i i'll be there right behind you right this girl woke up on me she like uh i was looking for you all day where you been at i was like i was playing ball she was like what's good i want to hang out i said listen i gotta go take care of something i'll be right back and she was like nah [ __ ] that [ __ ] that blah blah blah i want to come i'm hanging with you ain't going nowhere blah blah blah like if she wanted to go you know do what we do and um i said all right all right so i i had my car i said you know what i'm gonna get in the cab parked the car left the car here got in the cab my man charlie i was i told my man charlie to come with me he got in the car with me me me charlie the girl got in the cab and we went to the bronx 169th in the grand concourse when we get there i see my aunt's car double parked outside so i know she's there we had to i had to call up to the window she would throw the key out the window so i could get in the building i called up to the window she don't come to the window but then when she did say something she would usually look out and drop the key down she was like what i said i need the key i even see her face so the key came flying out of the window when the kid came flying out the window i'm like damn something ain't right this is not how she usually do this the girl was like i gotta use the bathroom she like i gotta use the bathroom my man charlie up come on miss go upstairs but and my thoughts like yo let me go use the phone man make sure everything all right they pressing me like come on it's good it's all good you got the key i said [ __ ] it but if i follow my first thoughts and call up there maybe it don't happen so we go in the building get on the elevator get off on the third floor until we get off the elevator some dudes come off the steps the door that we going to the duke the door come wide open they push us into the apartment gun drawing masses on their face she had a sunken living room they pushed me down the steps they took them took charlie my man charlie and the girl in the back room somewhere so they got me on the on the floor next to the safe i had in there open up the safe [ __ ] open up the safe math on his face but i recognize the voice it's my sister's boyfriend yo kevin what you doing that's his name ken you did me wrong [ __ ] this is what he's saying to me you did me wrong [ __ ] that open up the safe i'm trying to open up the safe because i'm kind of nervous at the time you know you got to be precise when you opening up the safe so it's taken me a while to open up the safe he hit me with the gun blood pouring down my face open up the safe open up the safe open up the safe so now he could we couldn't get the safe open he tell his man don't take him in the room murder him so dude take me in the room put the pillow over my head put the gun in my head and i start talking like listen ain't no money in the safe bro ain't nothing in this apartment bro i got about 250 000 at the house in jersey y'all take me there i'll give it to you just let everybody go bro so he he he listen he go tell the dude kev like listen he said he ain't no money in here he got about 250 at the house let's go get that so all three of them huddle okay cool so they it's my blood all over me and a white t-shirt on we can't take him out of here like that go in the bathroom by the fact he pulled me come in the bathroom you know washing my face off by the sink take the t-shirt off of me they say you got clothes in here i was like nah when his man's head on had on like two shirts took off his shirt he had put this on so i put this shirt on they care my aunt started yelling from the room she called me junior you feel me you know everybody my family called me junior junior junior don't go with them just just give them what they want give them just give them everything just don't let this she's panicked like you know yelling and streaming and [ __ ] leave us alone yelling so kev tell the other two dudes yo shut that [ __ ] up the radio turned the radio on real loud i hear gunshots i panicked now i'm in the bathroom and kev watching me with the gun i start tussling with him trying to get up out of there and i almost had to do it almost had the gun his man come out of the room and put the gun to my forehead and i watched him pull the trigger and my spirit left the body bro that's how that happened bro number one how much money was in that safe and that safe at that time it wasn't really nothing in there at that time i was like at the end of the package that i had there it might have been like it might have been like maybe like an eighth of coke it may be like about no more than 15 to 20 000 now in that safe bro at that time okay but how did you open the safe and just gave them what what what they wanted regardless of what it was they might have said all right cool that's enough for us right i could not open the safe to save my life bro okay so you were just trying to switch it wasn't a money come on oh if i could open that [ __ ] here man look take it yeah you feel what the [ __ ] i don't care about that bro but i couldn't open it to save my life at that time under circumstance i don't know what it was bro yeah well you were shot seven times nine times nine times twice in the head one in the neck one in the shoulder one in the hand and the rest of the shots was in the leg that broke my leg in three different spots okay but not only were you shot but everyone else in the room was shot as well shot and they stabbed the girl like four or five times and she was shot also in the head left they left they left six people for debt that night and the only thing they got for me is the money i had in my pocket was about five thousand dollars and i had a chain on my neck i believe that cost maybe like seven i think called like seventeen thousand dollars and uh three people were killed and then three people died three people live myself the girl lived in my aunt's friend named michael lamar he lived now in the movie it shows alpo you know killing the main guy not true okay sorry go ahead they did that for whatever reason in the movie but it did not happen right because ultimately the police figured out who did it and you actually cooperated with that investigation they didn't figure out who did it the night that i wrote they wrote me into the hospital they wrote me in the hospital uh three detectives i believe or end up in the district attorney now that i found out uh they rolled in the hospital i'm in the opera wherever they had me at recover whoever they had me at they came in there the doctors was trying to put you know trying to save my life they came in there and they was like that we need to speak to and we need five minutes with him the doctor said i don't think he had five minutes well we're gonna need those five minutes the doctor left like i said before i think we've discussed this the last time yeah and they came in they was like you know you're dying right you know there's no chance for your recovery right i can't really speak i'm shaking my head i guess at the time they took a tape recorder out they put the tape recorder on my chest we need to ask you a few questions was you present in the bronx whatever 19 20 12 95 grand concourse i must have shook my head yes uh it was six people shot and they're all dead you're the only one living this is what they tell me and we want to be able to catch these guys you're the only one left i must be shaking my head because i'm not talking um then they asked me could you speak then i said yes they showed me a pen they said do you know what this is i said a pencil i guess to see if i was like they asked me who's the president i said i think ronald reagan they said okay cool do you know who shot you i said my sister's boyfriend do you know his name yes kevin do you have a last name i don't think i even knew his last name at that time did he act alone no he had two others with him okay uh do you know what kind of gun he used i don't know i think one had a uzi i said uh 38 i didn't know i don't know you know i didn't know kind of because they had didn't give a [ __ ] i'm really trying to answer the questions quick so they could leave so the doctors could save my life i think i started going out fading out around that time because i felt them you know they touched my pulse and they said come on let's go they took the tape recorder i think you know i think my spirit left my body again because i must have been dead for that second because they was like you know put the sheets on me gone they left out soon they left out the doctors rushed in there started doing what they want to do smacking me like you're alerting us i think i shook my head yes and the next thing you know i woke up i was in the recovery room or the next day or whatever that's what happened bro why exactly did kevin do that robbery when he said you know you did me wrong what exactly did you do to him to make him think that i don't i don't i don't have a clue why he would say that because when he came home from prison i gave him a sob convertible i gave him 15 000 cash and i gave him a block that was doing at least a bird a week through this guy named twin work with twin he got you you ain't got to do nothing bro you're good now for him to do this for him to say that there's only one thing that come to my mind that maybe make him feel this way and it was an incident where he wanted me to give before he got locked up he had wanted me to give some drugs to rich and i didn't i gave it back to my sister and i told him to give it back to him because i felt that dude was crazy because the way the situation at that time he was running from somebody he was running from the streets because he had did something to an old man and he called me down to a hotel he wanted you know i'm young i'm working in the cleaners at this time i'm not even in the game but he knew rich was my people and he knew rich was in the game and he had he had i think he robbed somebody i think he killed somebody for for for keyload or whatever cocaine or whatever and he wanted me to give a half of that half a kilo to rich and i gave it back to my sister to give to him like tell him i'm not doing that because the way he approached me when i went to the hotel it was a nervous situation in other words when i went to the hotel to meet him he pulled a gun out on me he was high smoking crack and [ __ ] he hides as high as [ __ ] put looking down and searching me no you know yo you're panicking like yo any you know the contract on me man i don't know i don't know he said i'm sorry [ __ ] you know after he searched me and finally i'm nervous i'm you know like the [ __ ] [ __ ] my sister got me into this [ __ ] for so he wanted to give me the half a joint i'm not going to tell him no in front of in that moment okay i'll do yeah i'll take it direction i'll give it to him no problem but as soon as i got out of town i gave it back to my sister yo get that [ __ ] back to him i'm not [ __ ] with dude and you're crazy for [ __ ] with that [ __ ] man that nigga's out of his [ __ ] mind so that's the only thing i could see that him feel for him to say that but still when you come home you see the position i'm in bruh you see how i'm rolling i got this thing on smash i got this on smash let's go let's go but you know how jail is in prison i guess you you make you know it's a whole new family you in there would so your dudes y'all may be planning this [ __ ] before y'all get out when we get out we gonna get that [ __ ] so you can't reneg even though they he take care of you he ain't taking care of us but maybe you can re renegotiate with them like look bro on top of the world bro let's get with this [ __ ] instead of getting at this [ __ ] yeah you understand if they really used their minds to really see what i was doing in harlem they they was from the bronx take that [ __ ] to the bronx and let's do it like that it would've been no problem for me setting them up like that but no instead of jumping in front of the gun for me you pull a gun on me bro well uh ultimately the guys get caught um you end up uh taking the stand in the trial yes sir okay and then the surviving the the surviving people in the room also take the stand right yes sir okay and i remember reading about about this case the the guys who did it didn't they get like 150 years or something 125 years to life there you go 125 years of the life but this this is what happened bro in that situation um they wind up catching kev i think in philly somewhere he told the police because i didn't know the other two dudes at all he told the police he was there but he did not do no shooting so they asked them well who did do the shoot and he told on the other two dudes you understand he told who did it yeah so they wind up catching them two dudes now the trial begins he want to take back his plea you feel me so now he want to take this he wanted to take the stand to defend himself in that situation this is how this is how he lost the case well to my knowledge um he had an alibi his girl he said he was home with his girl and it was cold that day he'll never forget he remember that night his girl came in and put the covers over him blah blah blah blah blah this is what he said but the district attorney had the paper for that day august 20th 1987 showed it to the to the jury to the judge and he asked them could he use this to show the jury to show them the weather for that day 107 degrees yeah don't make sense what you're saying bro he had his wife that was going to take the stand for him she get on not my sister he was messing with some other woman that what was been his wife she was taking a stand for him and as she was taking the stand the district attorney told her told the judge let her know that she could be brought up on perjury whatever they call that [ __ ] if she's found lying so the george informed her that she's they approached the bench because she said hold up and she said she didn't want to take the stand so the jury see this there's no way they getting out of that situation bro what was it like being in that courtroom with the guys that tried their best to murder you that really you know not only shot you nine times but killed people around you and and maimed and and seriously injured everyone else i didn't know the other two dudes like but it was more so like him it was unbelievable bro it was unbelievable because why why bro i don't understand why anybody have to die get murdered or have their life taken bro for drugs for money i i never could understand that bro even even me being a boss in the game i never sent out an order to murder nobody or kill anybody or any of that [ __ ] bro you know if a [ __ ] [ __ ] up my work [ __ ] it i ain't [ __ ] with you no more i'm not going to put a hit on you and murder you i don't need that [ __ ] on my conscience i'm not that type of dude bro so i never understand you know why would someone kill somebody for drugs or for whatever [ __ ] with your girl just to take somebody's life that [ __ ] is like crazy to me bro and for y'all to do this to six people one night that you don't even know these people it's like the [ __ ] oh you got to be some type of demon or something bro you got to be bro so that's how i'm looking at that bro okay so this whole insanity happens yes and you know in the in the movie there's sort of this famous scene that i think is probably the most famous scene in the whole you know movie in terms of memes and so forth where you're sitting there you know your character wood harris is sitting there all bandaged up and uh you know alpo's character played by cameron was like you know dudes get shot every day b you be i uh did something does something like that actually happened did alpo come over and rich come over and talk to you afterwards true story after i got shot i'm in the hospital the case was so big and so serious that they had police protection by my door all the time i was in the hospital in lincoln hospital and if you wanted to come visit me you had to go to the present get your picture took it and your fingerprints before you could come visit me in the hospital for whatever reason i don't know alpo didn't come rich didn't come and i understand why you understand but lulu came this was the connect he came and when he saw me in the hospital he's going crazy and [ __ ] like i'm killing his [ __ ] like little calm down police is outside the door so i start yo yo yo yo calling the crap so he could get up out of there because i didn't want what he was saying you know whatever you know you know get him about here cause he's talking crazy right now so they took him out but uh after i got out of the hospital i'm at my mom's house rich came to see me he was like yo yeah i yo blah blah blah blah blah blah blah we talked i think i had a couple of cars in the garage she said yo i'm a whole of seven 7 35 until you get back no problem i ain't gonna [ __ ] take the car bro and um lulu came to see me he looked out real heavy for me he told me what he was going to do and how he was moving and he wound up getting killed in that process and um yeah when i came out it's like they rich and alpha they rocking and rolling bro they nobody came you know that never happened that never happened nobody got killed behind it none of that happened bro okay when i was in the hospital you know i heard like they wanted to go do something to the dude mother family but i'm like oh listen these police know everything don't do nothing bro fall back and let the universe deal with this bro okay so you get shot up really badly lulu gets killed yes sir and then rich porter's 12 year old little brother gets kidnapped yes sir so it's just one horrible event after another that that happened like it happened to me in 87 and i think that happened to donnell pardon me and soul rest in peace happened uh in 89 so it's like two years apart rich porter's little brother gets kidnapped by rich's uncle as well as preacher now preachers crew were really infamous for robbing drug dealers during that time uh the guy named clarence preacher heatley his nickname was the black hand of death uh he pled out to 13 murders and the one thing that they're known for is that not only would they kill people but they would actually torture them and chop their bodies up yes sir there's even a rumor that he kidnapped bobby brown although we're not sure if that's true or not yeah i heard about that but i don't know if it's true or not okay did you know who preacher was a new preacher a new preacher when i was young like when i was my sister my sister i got to tell you my sister was messing with dudes that was in the streets it was a cat named cornell that that was a boyfriend my other sister not the one that was messing with kevin and he was cool with preaching and i met him through him back then this one you know he called me junior it wasn't i wasn't even in the game i met him through him then but to do cornell wind up going to jail and you know i didn't you know hang with preacher but i met him when i was a kid back then so i knew who he was you feel me but i didn't i didn't i didn't know him like to be with you know all these things with people saying but i heard about it and you know i mean and it was real what they were saying about them but to my knowledge to my knowledge what i hear the uncle set that situation up preacher didn't have a clue of that but when he learned about it you feel me he was kind of upset this is what i hear with them but you know they had to play it out because it was it was already involved but i but i hear that preacher didn't co-sign that he didn't respect that this is what i heard you feel me that was some foul [ __ ] on the uncle's behalf personally and i believe that rich should have never let the uncle see that much in the first place because i always felt like the uncle was that type of dude anyway you know what i mean right so his his little 12 year old brother uh donnell porter got kidnapped uh they wanted half a million dollars and to show to show that they were serious they actually cut off the little brother's finger and sent it to him yeah they cut off the finger put in a coffee can and send it to mcdonald's they rich send someone over there to get the can and then in the can of his half his finger i think he had a ring that said danielle and uh a tape with him pleading for his life bro one of the saddest things you could ever hear in your life bro yeah i'm actually kind of tearing up right now actually hearing it like i didn't know about the tape with him pleading for his life yes sir wow okay um and ultimately they ended up you know not paying the money and they ended up killing his little brother yes um what happened in that situation the uncle was there on the set all the time like right there so uh he's he's knowing what's going on even though he's orchestrating the whole situation and [ __ ] and uh when the tape came in the finger when they heard the tape in the finger pat rin's sister she grabbed the can the tape the finger and she took off running to the precept bro the uncle was trying to stop her but [ __ ] that she took off running to the precinct and that's how the police got off the uncle was trying to prevent it if you understand what i'm saying so yeah he's in on it you understand what i'm saying so now yeah now though i guess the tables turn now because the police isn't involved but now if they don't they don't come to the house you know we really they fall back because there's a situation where they got to send the feds in you know to tap the phone to see if they call back and blah blah blah and that never happened so the uncle's still there now in the midst of that fritz come through for rich and he give risk 30 kilos get your brother back he give it to him it's our real fritz play don't give a [ __ ] about the money take this get your brother back bro the uncle sees this he hears this he knows this so now the uncle i guess say you know what he comes the rich with a letter yo the letter reads we still want the money the little boy's all right come to this phone i think on 207th and somewhere up up in the dichman area be at this phone booth at such and such time we're gonna call you and tell you what to do rich take the letter and give it to the feds so they say okay we need you to go to the phone booth at this time rich don't want to go to my knowledge to my knowledge i believe this is what pat told me that she dressed like a boy and they took her up to the phone but the uncle's there seeing all this the phone never rings the phone never ranks right and they ultimately find the little boy's body pause rich got the 30 keys now he calls on alpo get rid of these for me bruh alpha moving out of town fed's all over new york which can't we can't move right now nobody can't do nothing he'd give him the outpour to take out of town alpo kills rich now right now the kidnappers apple kill rich placed them up in orchard beach right by city cop i mean my city allen the kidnappers i guess it was just just me thinking for them damn we [ __ ] they killed rich we [ __ ] up now we got to kill a little boy and place him in the same area where they find rich in their mind if they find who killed rich they're gonna say he killed the little boy too this is maybe their way of thinking they're gonna get off you understand yeah but you know alpo commits to killing rich preacher wind up getting locked up and they he tells on this whole cruel call to do what i hear and they admit to doing that to die now okay so so let's talk about uh the alpo and rich porter situation so i listened to an interview that alpo did about this because ultimately alpo pleaded out to this murder so according to to alpo um it's an interview with resilience man millions of dollars but it's never about the money with me man i'm not and i'm not let me say this i'm not trying to capitalize or for nobody's death bro i'm just trying to clear the air so people could really understand what happened to us bro okay so rich has these 30 kilos and alpo goes and meets up with rich and from what alpo said he's in a van and rich gets into the van and in the van is apple's you know little man big head gary yes sir did you know big head gary never seen him before in my life never met him okay but that night that night i did will continue though okay so they get in the van they get in the van and alpo is talking to rich and according to alpo he's asking questions about about some kilos and some money and he claims that rich is lying to him yes now based on him feeling that that rich is lying to him he motions to his man to kill rich big head gary pulls out a gun shoots shoots rich but i guess rich doesn't die right away and i guess like a some sort of tussle ends up in the van that's where alpo's face gets scratched and alpo had to pull out a gun and basically finish rich off they go and dump rich's body in the woods now you know and alpo said that that he was mad because he felt like he killed a guy that he loved and this was his brother a guy that he got money with but he felt that it was just business this is the way he handles his business if you cross him on the business side he has to kill you and that's that's what he did rich was only 24 years old at the time and i guess on that day you actually saw alpo yes sir okay so tell me about how you guys met that night i'm always playing basketball with playing ball on the east side my click my little click that i used to hang out with after while we was playing ball being honest like i said before i heard a gunshot the highway is like right over the basketball court so it sounded like someone got shot this is what i heard i don't know if that was the same situation but i'm like damn we all stop like damn bro somebody just lost their life we continue to play ball game was over we're tired we we go back to the block the location on 32nd and 7th family so we out there's like two in the morning right so uh we're drinking water we talking [ __ ] a suzuki jeep which was alpo's sister's jeep driving by on the opposite side of the street heading uptown we on the downtown side so i said dan look like alpo in that truck i waved my hand the jeep swinging you and pulls in front of us alpo gets out with his man i guess that was gary and uh what's up hey what's up it's my man it's good you shake hands i'm like damn what the [ __ ] happened to your face bro scratches on his face he said nah my girl out in dc she's bugging out i said damn let's just look fresh man uh yeah yeah yeah what's up hey you seem rich well you know rich don't hang out at night bro rich was the type that going early rich be in the house by nine o'clock yeah you right you are you right this dude named track travis flies by in the car he's always travis let me go catch this [ __ ] he owe me some money he jumps in his car he's chasing behind travis at that time this girl walked up on me i was like what's she doing out here i was looking for you i said well okay let's hang out i said come on get in she got in the car we i dab my peoples everybody leave they pull off everybody leaves everybody going home i said i had an apartment in the next terrace i said listen sit drive down the block cause i let her drive drive down the block let me go upstairs and get a change of clothes real quick before we leave i get out the car if i get out the car i'll po pull up on the opposite side of the street yo hey come here for a minute come here as he saying that my man pull up that was with us on the corner he'd get out of this car yo hey come here come here he he like yo come come come in real quick real fast real fast hold on pope if i go to him first he said yo don't go over there bro i seen that [ __ ] laying in the cut i'm like what i don't know what's going on yet so i said hold on paul i'll be right back so i go upstairs in the apartment let me go get a gun or something you feel me i don't know what's up i don't know what's going on so i come back downstairs when i come back downstairs he's not there he's not there my man is not there the girl is just downstairs i get in the car with her and we we go to the bronx and we're in the bronx my beep would go off that's what it was back there it's uh my mother calling me i call my i go to the phone i call my mother back she said you know what he just found pat's brother dead and i was like damn it's [ __ ] up all right i'll call you right back martin i just hung up i even let her finish talking but in my mind i'm thinking they found donnell so when i called back she pick up she crying and [ __ ] i'm like yeah i heard man it's [ __ ] up man it's [ __ ] up man and then she was like you know who they found i was like who she said they found richard not danielle richard i was like oh [ __ ] like i said the phone seemed like the phone dropped out of my hand and and i saw outpost face in my mind stretched up and i saw that [ __ ] like oh this [ __ ] did that [ __ ] bro i didn't even pick up the phone back i got in the car with the girl told her yo let's just just go to your house she said she wanted something to eat i said this guy she drove through white castles she got some food we went to the house i went upstairs and she wanted you know she don't know i'm not letting her know what's going on because i'm like i'm [ __ ] up like this is crazy it can't be and i wind up i think i gave her some money like you know here here just let me just lay in the room and just relax and [ __ ] up i stayed in the room i think i fell asleep and i woke up maybe like that afternoon or whatever it was 12 1 o'clock left her house got in the car drove to the block and when i went to the block the block was crowded everybody on 132nd like weeping from what everybody else heard about rich black crowded as i pull up i'll pop pull up he'd get out i heard what happened crying and [ __ ] now look at him he got back in his car and he left bro and he left bro well alpo actually went to rich porter's wake and said that he actually cried at the wake and he regretted what he did um it's pretty crazy though to think that the person who killed someone goes to their actual awake i don't i don't i don't recall that being honest but i know he said he went he said he went really early because he knew the feds was around so i i don't know but his name was definitely signed you know in the book and big letters outpost but i don't i don't i didn't see that i you know if he said it he might he might have but i didn't see it bro you feel me he didn't go to the field yeah well you know and this is where the story gets a little a little fuzzy here um because i i believe i believe it was our last interview uh where i guess you had said you had met up with alpo in a restaurant afterwards yes sir i didn't meet in a restaurant like we met to meet i was with a girl downtown like in mulberry street and [ __ ] and we went to this restaurant that she liked to eat at and we as we in the restaurant my second was yeah it was it was a it was a spanish girl colombian chick and she wanted to discuss some business for me whatever it was we went we met down in this restaurant and and while we was in the restaurant alpo came in there with a girl it's like oh [ __ ] this is you know maybe like a month in after that hey come on let's talk man we went outside and there's exact words like yo why why found my rich mother and i'm saying that i did that to rich i said they're not the only ones saying that probably the whole hood saying that [ __ ] bro just exact words you think if i have to give them 50 000 they'll stop saying that [ __ ] i said dog do what you think is best bro and i walked back inside the restaurant he sat down with the girl i didn't feel comfortable in there i told mom said come on let's get up out of here man i see your family see you later bro and we left well according to alpo he said that he told you that he killed rich porter he never told me anything bro he never told me anything he told me he didn't ever tell me like i killed rich but when i decided to write the movie when i decided to write the movie i said this is craziest it got to be a movie and i started to write the movie i said before i write it i gotta i'm gonna have to have the rights from this man from alpha he's locked up at this time so it was a girl that i knew that knew our pole that was maybe still in contact with him that lived in the polar grounds i ran into her i'm like listen man i know he you speak to him tell homie i need to talk to him take my number and if he says cool all right so she called me she said yeah he said to be here at a certain time he's gonna call so i went to the house at that time he called called and i asked him the first thing i asked him was why it's my exact words your wife your rich man the connect he told the same story about the connect gave it to him for certain price and rich did this and i said bro you didn't have to kill him bro you knew he was going to give you some work again why you just take your money if that was the situation now you don't understand i said listen we ain't going to talk about that i'm writing a movie bro i'm going to you to sign the rights over for me to write i'm not doing it if you don't do it because i'm not that type of person oh no problem may no problem man i got you so i got up a lawyer lawyers to write up some papers i gave it to the girl she sent it to him and when she when they came back she called me when she which when i came back and got the papers this [ __ ] was like a big booklet right in the booklet it was the thing that he signed the contract and paperwork on kevin giles well and i interviewed kevin chiles and you know this is like later on i believe in in 1994 when he ends up going to trial on federal drug charges and he said that you and alpo were in his discovery paperwork but he also said that he never sold any drugs with you at all and neither of you actually took the stand against him so he was to this day he was sort of perplexed why you even showed up in his discovery i don't know and like i say and i'm gonna say it again bro we never discussed any business i never had a conversation with this man right about anything so if you're looking at it from that point of view right defense is not stupid bro the government is not stupid i'm a boss bro if i had no federal contact bro if they did come to me bro they coming to me for who's giving me drugs bro bottom line bro he's i'm not yeah i don't i don't know what he's doing i don't know if the [ __ ] selling coke dope crap i don't know i don't know anything about the man bro so if they came to me what do i have to give them about you bro nothing so when i look at it i don't know about what discovery mean because i've never been in those situations to be dealing with that type of stuff but he knows just as well he knows he got to know what can i say what can i give the police on you bro so for you to put that out there my question is who you working for right now to say that to try to steer up some [ __ ] about me being on your paperwork bro to my knowledge to my knowledge because you know i do my little investigation and just to explore what's going on here to my knowledge i gave alpo gave this to me right to give to them i don't know i don't i don't know if they're in jail or out of jail at this time they're not i'm not thinking about these people you feel me i don't i'm not in the game with in competition or competing doing me bro so chuck i know chuck i see his name in the paperwork i see chuck oh chuck i got some information that i think you're gonna need bro outpost sent me this i give it to chuck chuck reading it right on the spot chuck tells me to drive as he reading this [ __ ] like oh [ __ ] i said chuck that's just serious y'all going to jail my exact words i don't know if homie's in jail or not i don't know i don't know not my business so chuck say thanks he he take that he take it right you go about his business so now to my knowledge kevin charles i believe in his trial they chuck took the stand i think in the case they i think the the d.a or somebody questioned chuck or kev lawyer or somebody how did you where did you get the paper how did you get the paperwork on this case chuck say on the stand i got it from az that's the only way my name could have came up on any paperwork to me personally speaking got it well he said hit me is that working for the government alpo gave this to me i give it to chuck to try to help you know i'm just passing it along bro for so for you to come and say my name is on your paperwork for real and not explain to people the facts see the facts to me is this when i start doing the music [ __ ] mob style right i'm trying to get out the game going to the rap game rich and po at this time like [ __ ] you bugging man we ain't no rappers we hustlers the first song i did mom style i gave it to somebody they played it on the radio rich and prohibited oh that [ __ ] could work that's just kind of hot hey so then now they can see they see where i'm coming from but around that time that's when danielle got hit kidnapped so everything went left field on the marv style [ __ ] for a minute but i kept going to the studio putting in work now after i finished the album uh def that def columbia records they wanted to sign us they had a deal on the table 300 000 guaranteed two videos the album was done times i mean pretty tone he signs with rick rubin he's a part of the group but he signed with rick rubin i believe and when he came for us to sign with colombia they said they wanted the whole group so they that deal with haywire i said [ __ ] it you know what i'ma put it out myself on the streets i put it out myself streets loving it hurt loving it leland robinson sugar hill i stepped to him i'm like oh look fam we got something here so let's take this to the next level lee you know they sold millions of records for rappers delight so i'm figuring they know what time it is lillian introduced me to a guy named bernard thomas bernard thomas said he put eric b and rock kenmore so i'm [ __ ] with him we going to the studio we doing [ __ ] he he's coaching me on what to do one day i'm in the studio working on a song called streetwise he come in the studio i'm smoking some weed because i used to smoke just to get into the vibe of the music before i go on the booth or whatever he said listen man my man just came in town and he needed a half a bird this is what bernard's saying to me now this man never spoke to me about drugs or nothing right but in that moment i'm like that right now brother come speak to me to talk to me tomorrow i'm trying to do this song he said all right man i gotta run i see you tomorrow the next day come i pull up on the block as i pull up he pull up he gets out the car he said remember i was telling you about your man my man he want to have for bro okay cool he said yo he won a half a bird i said listen man i ain't going to do no business with nobody i don't know i'll do it with you bro he said all right he goes back to the car now the dude get out the car he comes to my car he got the money wrapped around his waist he lifts up his shirts and i got the money right here man i'm good man a z man talking all loud and profit [ __ ] talking loud like if you're talking to a mic his whole outfit just looks like the [ __ ] police i said wow this cops man so i said you know what give me a minute i'm gonna go get it i'll be right back i look through the rear view i see a van two white boys in it in back of me like like two cars back i look across the street i see another van while he's acting like they doing some i said oh [ __ ] this this is the police i pull off i go to 126th street hit the horn for this girl i know to come downstairs another one of my baby mom she comes downstairs she get in the car she got on her night clothes i said be quiet just ride with me i ride to jersey we go to a movie theater bro we go inside the movie we watched the movie bruh i'm watching them follow me bro all the way to jersey bro i said we went to the movie theater i said don't worry about it just come on we're dropped off home so now i'm like the police is on me this is the fez i'm shutting this [ __ ] down for real for real the next day come i go to the block now i'm telling my dudes like listen bro they on us they come they coming through this music [ __ ] i'm not [ __ ] with mobs down no more and i'm leaving this [ __ ] alone as we in the hallway talking bro sitting on the stool dude come back in the building money around what happened hey z man i thought you was coming back bro got the money right here what are we trying to do bro as i'm telling the nurse i said yo that's the [ __ ] right here i said well you know he's in here bro what you talking about bro what you talking about so we had an apartment in the building we went upstairs to the apartments and we gonna chill up here all day into the mall bro so we it was like three of us we chill until the next day we left i said i'm done with this [ __ ] they owe me some money i said keep that [ __ ] i'm out a week pass i got a spot in long island my house i got a crib in long island at that time i'm staying in i haven't come to the hood for about a week but something told me go check on the block just to see what's going on it's about 10 11 o'clock that night i pull up on the block i see lou on the block against the lord y'all know what you're doing out here yo now you man bernard came through he wanted a half a brick i wouldn't got it for for my spanish peoples i'm waiting for him to come back right now listen bro if you get that [ __ ] that we going to prison bro that [ __ ] the police man for real for real keep that [ __ ] [ __ ] him for real yo yo all right he listen he keep it that's it i'm not [ __ ] with the music [ __ ] no more i'm done with it i'm done with everybody in the game i don't hear it leave me the [ __ ] alone i don't trust nothing right now right lou and i'm still trying to do the music [ __ ] though kevin charles and i'm trying to do the music [ __ ] now bernard working with kevin charles now in the music [ __ ] how do i know they you remember jack the rapper i think they had set up some type of bus where they was taking all their rappers their artists they were they were trying to promote out to jack the rapper this and lou was with them on the bus luke come back and tell me yo guess who's on the bus with kevin childs in them who bernard thomas said why you ain't telling that [ __ ] that's the police yo i don't know yo i don't know but then they say nothing about that that money the number one person when i was reading that paperwork bro the main agent in kevin child's case with bernard thomas fan he was doing things with this man that you know the game giving him a gun this all type of crazy [ __ ] when bernard was coming at me i ain't never talk about the game with that [ __ ] bruh never that one time and i caught it through the grace of god and that was that bro if i'd have made that sale if lord had made that cell we done it how he got how bernard got to him i don't know but you allowed him in bruh by you allowing him in to me that's what brought down your whole organization bro and the funny [ __ ] about it you know who's who bernard thomas is bro you know that song held to the no no hell to the no no bishop beau winkle hell to the noah this song went viral on youtube you never heard that oh okay yeah older guy yeah oh the guy that's bernard thomas fat okay wow that's who bought that to me that's who brought down his own organization and he knows this but why you don't speak on that bro see there's a difference it's a difference hit me out bro and i'm not trying to be disrespectful bruh but i'm definitely gonna clear it up that you know my name on your paperwork and you know that's for daisy bro you know that but the bottom line is this if i'm on your paperwork and if i was working with the government forget kevin charles government police officers whoever you are y'all come up on vlad and expose me and say yes a-z was the one that helped us put this one away that never in my [ __ ] life bro never bro yes i told on kevin klopp for shooting me and he told on the rest that happened and i feel that [ __ ] them because they shouldn't have done that they shouldn't have they shouldn't murder six people for nothing bro for nothing bro when that happened to kevin chow mark i felt that bro because that was like the same situation that happened to me bro i don't feel nobody should die from this [ __ ] bro but for you to come up out of there and get on these platforms and say this to say this look at it like this too bro while you was in prison you release your don diva magazine right the first thing that ought to put in the don diva magazine is the paperwork is the proof that az told on me that had been the first article i launched bro you ain't never do that after all these years here you come with this now my question becomes why and who sent you that's how i feel about that bro fair enough yes sir well after all the craziness happens and uh rich porter gets killed you were basically done with the drug game but but alpo was was still was still doing his thing and i guess in july of 1990 uh he was indicted on federal uh drug charges and then he became a fugitive he ended up going to dc and things started to really kind of step up at that point um alfo ends up getting shot and he survives and then he met up with wayne perry who essentially became a hitman for him uh and more people start getting killed and then the guy who actually helped him kill rich porter big head gary basically they get into a situation with big head gary and wayne perry ends up killing gary and you know alpo describes a situation where you know gary ends up [ __ ] on himself you know they they go and strip him naked and drag him through the woods and i guess like his penis gets like oh that's it all that [ __ ] sounds demonic and evil right that just sounds crazy bro yeah um you know so basically the guy that helped him commit one of his most high-profile murders he ends up killing him uh then alpo ends up killing uh demencio yes because i guess uh dementia was sleeping with big head gary's baby mother even though he was spending 400 000 a month with him on drugs he ends up killing him uh and then when he talked about his most gruesome murder him and wayne perry ended up killing a woman two blocks from the white house i guess they stabbed her first and then blew her brains out in the car dumped her body off on the side of the road and it's just uglier and uglier nasty what i understand nasty nasty and disgusting bro when i hear that when i hear those stories it's like the [ __ ] happened to you bro yeah and you're hearing about these stories while you're still in new york as they're happening i didn't i didn't hear about those stories until i heard your interviews from him aha okay i don't i don't know nothing i don't know what he's doing out of town i don't have a clue i don't have a clue who's wayne perry is i don't even know big head gary until you know these names start popping up on the interviews i don't have a clue of who what's going on i don't have nothing to do with that situation at all i hear this i hear this i hear it on interviews i read it in magazines i'm like wow wow i didn't know none of this [ __ ] bro but well let me share this go ahead playing basketball again you always need playing basketball with jesus me me and two guys against jesus and two other guys spanish jesus man soul rest in peace too man he just passed away about a year ago um playing ball with jesus we playing ball some dudes pull up like four cars deep while we playing ball they call jesus brooklyn duels jesus was from brooklyn so jesus talking to him for a minute they leave they get back and they can't leave jesus came over and said yo hey man the [ __ ] came to murder you bro i'm like word for what [ __ ] i don't know i have a clue the [ __ ] i do man now your man they said your man killed they man dimensional out in dc so if you hear a z you hear alpo you hear az you get rich so they was coming to murder me based on that but jesus jesus knew that sorry let me just stop for a second so do you know did you know demencio i didn't know him i didn't know none of these people bro okay got it okay sorry sorry so jesus blocked that let them know like nah they don't [ __ ] with homie like that ain't doing him and homes do him so they respected that in that moment but jesus also said yo we're going to play for a minute but let's let's get up out of here because yo i don't trust nobody i got up out of there and another time we doing the mob style [ __ ] and the cats from queens they wanted us to perform at a cat named corey i think it was the birthday party he was feeling the marvel [ __ ] so we went out there and performed and as we perform it a cat that i knew from queens i'm not going to say his name because certain people don't want their name mixed up and all this crazy [ __ ] he see me on whether he performed me like yo hey yo hey come to the back come to the back real quick so i hear him i go in the back he's like yo dawg listen man you got to get up out of here some [ __ ] out front i had my car parked out front and they planned on doing something to you i don't know if it was the same dudes but joe give me the keys to your car take he had a van take this van and get your crew up out of here bro so we slid up out we slid out the back and we got up out of there the next day my man bought me my car i don't know what that situation was for but it had to be might be the same people or whatever just by you know being affiliated by the name was this trouble was coming at me bro and i have nothing to do with that [ __ ] bro yeah thanks well and then on november 7th 1991 alpo was arrested in washington dc uh he was charged with uh conspir conspiracy to commit murder various drug charges 14 counts of murder including the murder of a dc drug dealer michael anthony salters aka frey as well as the murder of demand ceo benson so alpo was facing the death penalty or seven life sentences and in order to actually avoid that he ended up turning informant and started to testify against all the people around him uh alpo admitted to 14 murders eight murders in dc two in maryland and four in new york one of which i mean i assume one of the new york ones is uh rich porter do you know who the other three were uh i don't have a clue bro okay i have a clue bro i mean people compared alpo to serial killer ted bundy do you think that's a fair comparison i said that i might have said it first i said dude turn into a serial killer yeah because that's a lot of bodies bro like i said i don't understand how anybody could take a life period of anybody for whatever money drugs whatever or or you know even feeling that you know it's like you're playing the game too hard bruh it ain't that serious bro you understand yeah and comma is real bro you can't keep being disrespectful and not get disrespected bro it's coming back bro one time i read in this book and it made all the sense to me i think it was a book called the science of god it said killers will kill killers but surely die in their celebration i was like wow and that [ __ ] is real bro because if you kill somebody for the rest of your life you got to live your life around yes man the white checking you for what you've done because they they in fear so you're buried alive bro if that's your circle yeah and that's how i see it bro that's how i see that bro well uh because of alpo's testimony wayne perry got five consecutive life sentences without the possibility of parole yes and alpo was sentenced to 35 years in prison yes uh while alpo is is locked up you know we talked about this earlier in the interview uh you get put together the script which eventually becomes paid in full uh you get alpo to uh to sign paperwork saying that he's okay with that uh as well um and you guys did speak while he he was locked up i think k slay did a mixtape when he got the two of you on the phone yes um and then in 2015 alpo gets released from prison yes uh so initially he was in witness protection in maine yes under the assumed name abraham g rodriguez but then at one point he ends up leaving witness protection and actually living in harlem which really kind of stunned everybody including myself now were you surprised that he actually moved back to harlem and started to show his face and do instagram videos and such let me see this the movie paid in full right you see how it ends when i get out i'ma still be the man that's output bro alpo loved that [ __ ] bro he loved it the fame he loved it bro he knew no he knew no other way bro personally speaking let me say this bro i hate that [ __ ] bro i hate the fame i hate [ __ ] yo you're a legend you're o.g ah from a z bro that [ __ ] ain't nothing to brag about look what the [ __ ] happened to us bro i said ain't that snake i said it's not to be promoted when i wrote the movie trap it was basically telling you this is the trap brother this is the setup this is rigged look what happened to us go the other way it's a dead-end street this is quicksand but no they put it on this painting for cedric cedric now i'm saying that to say what alpo lost in the game you got busted you became a snitch everybody's calling you a rat so you lost but he didn't accept the loss bro [ __ ] that back out louis vuitton matching helmets bite i'm back yeah i'm back jumping off of planes pro life drop top cars at the all-star game i'm like wow i'm seeing this on youtube i'm viewing this like wow bro but prior to this prior to this when that when the when the when that documentary trailer released i don't think that should have never been released because to me that was like you know tom hill wounds but when that came out that was like he shot richard again in front of everybody bro so it made everybody and they went crazy on them to the point where troy wreath had to make a video apologizing that's how nasty that you know set on people like nah man ah bruh i think that's what steered up the whole energy like [ __ ] outpo you feel me after all those years the hood like [ __ ] that bro that was that wasn't it that move was not it bro if you wanted to do a trailer you should have never put that in there you could have just said you know i'll post coming soon you know don't show the details of that bruh that's crazy i mean he he actually went out to the place where he dumped crazy yeah it was crazy crazy bro so you know yeah go ahead after that a friend of mine saw him in a restaurant and that in the restaurant i think in a supermarket somewhere he bumped into alpo and he was like oh [ __ ] what's up man yo what a yeah man that's what he said post that i'm getting on the phone right now cause he know that's my man he calls me my man he said yo somebody want to speak to you he takes the phone yo who it is that's what i say yo you don't know who this is i said wow outpo what's up big a we gotta talk man we gotta talk man you seen you since i've been home we gotta talk man i see yeah we do bruh i say yo give my man your number next time i'm around let's talk so he took the number but i ain't want to talk to him being honest he run into him again right yo hey what's up man i thought we were supposed to meet i said you know what let's meet this sunday bro meet me out at houston's restaurant jersey route 4 around 12 o'clock when the pop the street pop ferrari seeing the restaurant was dark so we could sit down and talk bro and we met and we sat down and talked bro and i asked him a question bro it was a question i always wanted to action bro face to face the night that you did that to rich was you going to kill me bro he said nah i would never do that to you hey i love you man you the one made me who i am bro you're the one that put me on i would have never did that to you do i believe him did i believe him i gotta say no to that brother cause there's no reason for you to come back that night you want to speak to me bro and i feel that in my gut you understand so yeah prior to that no and that same mean he was telling me he had a situation where he was about to get a movie deal and blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah and i'm gonna need you on this because i can't tell my life without you eh i'm gonna need you on this i see your brother when the proposal comes to whatever get that sherm and he'll get at me he said all right he left i left years went past a couple of three or four years went there i think that might have been like 2 000 and 19. when we did that time go on a woman contact me we know of but i'm not saying no names because that's not a four yo hey uh i got a situation with this lawyer he want to do something with you and alpo he wants y'all to meet he want to test your temperature together because he got something where it was going to be an interview 60 minutes or whatever was ready i don't know he was saying all this great stuff he felt like the world was ready for us to talk to the world q a and do you think this would be really big blah blah blah blah i'm like all right he came to the meeting i was at the meeting she was at the meeting we talked hotel lobby area we talked and we agreed all right for the lawyers i'm gonna email you the contracts or whatever in a couple of weeks a couple of weeks passed he emailed the contract i'm looking at it i ain't liking a few things uh me and my team we went over it i wasn't feeling it so uh i called the dude i said yo bro can you i want to record you i want to record you telling me play by play with these contracts me so he said all right no problem he said i'ma record it just as well i said no problem so he recorded it and that was that wednesday he said i need to get this done really quick because i got some the investors ready to go on this i'm like all right no problem i said that sunday i'll be ready to sign i'll tell you yeah your name that sunday right that sunday came i get a phone call early in the morning bro yo they killed your man who you talking about alpo got killed [ __ ] you talking about man for real dawg wow i ain't believe my hang up i knew the girl that set up the meeting she was close with him i called her immediately what happened she crying when i pick up the phone i was like wow must be true yeah you keep crying like wow get the [ __ ] out of here bro the same thing i was gonna sign halloween i get this phone call i was like wow god said there'll be none of this bro there'll be none of this when i was nine years old brother something happened to me spiritually when i was nine on halloween bro and i told this story before it's in my book and i said it maybe on another platform somewhere before but this that made this whole story make sense to me bro and that's the movie that needs to be done from a spiritual perspective to make everybody see that this [ __ ] is deeper than what we see on the surface bro for real god don't make no mistakes bro for this man to lose his life on halloween after a halloween party where the louis vuitton jason mask bro that's spooky within the matrix of it all if you could understand where i'm coming from [ __ ] the snitch in the killer wow bruh wow bro i mean you know i think no one was really surprised when alpo got killed in harlem uh you know it was you know like i know someone who who knows alpo and would hang out in harlem a lot and he said that alpo would be hanging out on the corner of harlem with a bulletproof vest with his friends in front of a store like goodfellas like you know everything was all good um you know i had actually spoken to alpo maybe about nine months ago we got on the phone it was the one and only time we spoke we talked about doing an interview you know we we you know i kicked around some prices to him he's like alright cool i'm going to get back to you you know he's very polite on the phone you know i'm not going to say anything bad about him you know he's very polite very respectful i never heard back from him and then maybe about a few weeks before he died he had made a video basically man [ __ ] vlad he gave me this lowball ass offer man i would never do a [ __ ] in internet [ __ ] him and i'm thinking like this is just a business negotiation if you didn't like the offer come back with another offer there's no there's you know like it was one it was kind of a very strange kind of reaction in terms of my point of view but it kind of tells me okay this is the type of person i'm dealing with this is not a typical you know logical business person this guy's just run off emotion and you know what i've been hearing and you know this is not you know fact right now but i had heard that him getting killed wasn't over an old murder or an old you know ripoff or a drug deal or whatever it was over a girl that happened somewhat recently that he was messing with some girl and the the girl's dude had confronted him and he was just mad disrespectful the guy and the guy end up killing him i don't know whether this part is true or not but based on what you're telling me in terms of how alpo rolls and how he's always rolled this really would not surprise me and it is a very karmic way to ultimately reach your end definitely bro i don't know why or who but i don't i don't believe that it was an old beef because i don't think nobody would from the past would do that because the motive would be for that and you would get locked up immediately you feel me so a person people not stupid using common sense nobody would do that for knowing that the police the government is expecting for that to happen but uh if it was a new beef i don't even look at that as as the person whoever did it if he's dead because that's another thought that's out there yeah i heard that i heard that conspiracy theory as well he's not really dead yeah if it happened alpo killed himself to me bro he killed himself bro he didn't accept the loss you lost in the game they put you in maine gave you a decent job if it was me if the shoe was on my foot i would have stayed in maine worked my job and stayed away from that world period bro i got another chance bro all the [ __ ] i did thank you god bro i'ma stay up here and try to create a whole new life if someone want to do my story get at me make my money and i would have never came back to this [ __ ] bro if daddy gave me that apartment today away from all this [ __ ] i wouldn't have stayed in it even though i ain't under no witness protection program i don't want to be around none of this [ __ ] that's who az is bro for so that's the difference bro some people love that [ __ ] they want that [ __ ] bro that's all they know right right because based on on the reports after he got shot and i guess he's driving to the the police station or the hospital whatever he's throwing drugs out of his car and that to me is just insane like yo you you walked away from seven life sentences of the death penalty you told on everyone you did a long you got 35 years you you're still here you're still alive why why would you go back to selling drugs again out of all the things that you could do knowing everything that you know but you're back to drug dealing again like at your age like it just makes no sense but i mean i guess that's apple for you scary brother because when i when i when i go into thought it's like you're being disrespectful not just to the people lives that you took families but you're also being disrespectful to the government themselves right because they may be getting calls how's y'all allowing this man to be doing this walk free blah blah blah blah blah you know then he leaves witness protection program according to what they say who would just say that they didn't do that [ __ ] what because you're being this these are all the things that you saying [ __ ] it bro this is how i'm going out yeah but like i said to end on halloween bro spiritually it makes everything make sense to me bro well he was shot five times and after the news broke uh people started to comment on it one of which was rich porter's niece she said that's my daughter okay it's my daughter wait your actual daughter that's my daughter from patricia porter oh aha okay well she commented on on the situation she said we waited for a long time for this day to come and we are happy that's why we're out celebrating drinking champagne everybody's reaction right now is celebrating it's a celebration for harlem period every dog has their day now my uncle could finally rest in peace 32 years later it's just that the pain my mother felt all these years i've been feeling the pain with her every dog has their day and today was his i believe in karma and i'm glad that i was there to witness it she spoke of mine bro i think she spoke that to the daily news i did i heard about it just as you heard about it like wow wow and you know the family you know patricia i'm still in contact with her that's that's family for life for life and i i clearly understand where she coming from and i understand the celebration bro you understand her brother her brothers that whole situation was just too much to bear coming from the family point of view and when i spoke to alpo when we met at the restaurant i asked him like you know how you feel about all these people on youtube saying this and that and that i don't give a [ __ ] about them if i meet them in person you know they're gonna have to have that same energy this is how i was talking he said the only one this is the exact words to me the only one that i would allow allow to do something to me is pat because i understand where she coming from that's his exact words i said fam don't don't bother them just let's let them live brother you say i i understand it i get that that's his exact words bro so you understand that's you that's real bro you know and it's not like you know they went on celebrate i guess in the moment that's how they felt and that's what it was bro yeah and they have their right they have the right to celebrate uh they had a certain degree of closure to their life um what does this mean it's just nasty because when i look at it all those pictures you see all the stories you hear about us the fun the money look how in bruh nobody got nobody left that [ __ ] untouched bro yeah nasty bro so for the youth that's looking at this bro like i tried before i'm saying it again this ain't the way bro this ain't the way don't don't jump in none of these costumes and act like this is it don't try to repeat paid in full like we repeat it scarface get out of here bro and this is from the heart i'm coming to you from the from my heart to my mind brother not from my pocket to my heart from my heart to my mind this is real bro and that's the only reason why i'm up here doing this interview and that's how we're going to end it uh az i appreciate you coming in and telling your story once again i mean i felt it was important to have you come back after alpo's death to kind of you know bring the whole story full circle uh you know at the end of the day you've taken responsibility for all your actions all of it right you've never ducked from anything you've never made excuses and you know like you've always said ever since you stopped being in the game this is a cautionary tale for people coming up who want to be the next az who want to be the next big meech who want to be the next nikki bar and the next frank lucas the next freeway ricky ross and every person i interview and i've interviewed some of the biggest drug dealers out there that are still alive and the story is always the same it's always hey we had a good run we had five years we had three years we had eight years it all came crashing down we all lost everything we didn't get to see our families grow up we lost people close to us um you know the feds will always have an advantage you'll never beat you know like when you see the federal paperwork when it says the united states of america versus your name you're not going to compete with that you can't win bro you can't win brother you know one door in two doors out penitentiary on the graveyard bro bottom line bro and let's let's let's say this bro to all those that lost their lives in the game b let's give them a moment of silence and may alpo soul rest in peace there you have it there you have it az faisan appreciate you coming in until next time god bless you peace

Channel: djvlad

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Keywords: VladTV, DJ Vlad, Interview, Hip-Hop, Rap, News, Gossip, Rumors, Drama

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Length: 147min 8sec (8828 seconds)

Published: Sun Jan 16 2022