- Just because you're a cop, why should you have the
right to tote a gun around just because you have a badge? - You're saying, we shouldn't be armed? - You shouldn't have guns at all. - Okay, next time
there's an active shooter going into a university, then we're just gonna let
him shoot all the students. - You know what? I can't do this. I can't do this episode no more. (intense music) - [Host] Step forward if
you agree with the prompt. Cops should not carry guns. - I mean, there are so many
countries in this world that do not have this level of violence within its law enforcement department or any other department. Guns themselves are not the issue. It's the finger behind the gun. Because you don't know
the mentality, the mind, you know, the heart of
the person and people, things trigger people and they snap. And no one exempt, police officer are human
beings too, they can snap. - If you took guns away from
the uniform, I guarantee you, half of them would not be
be there working, you know? - It's the power. - If you had to struggle
to submit a perpetrator and actually do work, police work, like, if it's not just about reaching for your gun 99% of the time. So it's like if the gun
wasn't part of the uniform, a lot of them wouldn't, wouldn't take that enabling role that they wanted to take
as officers, you know? - Right in front of my building, I was harmed by an
older person, older man. When I got away, I went to the police, the detective took me to the hospital, everything, checked me out. You know what the police officer did? The having a gun and everything else? Pulled me over saying he
was taking me back home, pulled me over on a dark
side of a street and raped me because of the uniform, the badge, and the gun,
that made me freeze. But you as a police officer saying that you were here to protect and to serve, allowed your power, your
uniform, you got everything else, to think, to make you
think that that was okay. And this happens a lot, it happens a lot. - They wanna abuse other people. They want to tyrant over other people, so they choose jobs like that. Like why? If you wanna help other people, why can't you go be a humanitarian? There's oceans to clean up. Instead, like everybody
just wants to be out here taking rights away from others and abusing people and getting guns, the moment you start copping an attitude, literally, click, listen. - True.
- Let's go. - But you know, I don't wanna-
- Ready. - I don't wanna do that to
them as they do it to us. - [Host] Can the disagreers step forward? - If someone else has a gun,
you gotta defend yourself too. You know, it's just the way you use it. I'm not saying that you
should use guns, but I mean, if you have a gun and you
have to use it, of course, but not use it just for traffic stops or people with mental
illnesses, stuff like that. That's out. If they have a knife or a
stick or, you know, a fork, like that doesn't justify
anybody getting shot. - So you're for having
armed police officers? - Yeah, just if someone else has a gun. - Okay, if someone else. - I believe that y'all should be armed because I believe in the constitution. I don't believe in the policing
that the police force has done throughout many
communities I've been in. But I do believe in rights versus laws, and I do believe that
there are dangerous scenes that you go to where it
is required to use them. So I have to agree that
part of your, like he said, his tool belt needs to include a pistol. - Okay, good. Because I was about to
challenge you both and say, okay, so you mean to tell me that what happened at Michigan State University with an active shooter
killing five students, or Uvalde, where they went
into in an elementary school and killed children. - Sandy Hook. - Sandy Hook, what
happened over 10 years ago. You're sitting there telling us that we shouldn't be carrying firearms? - Yeah, you shouldn't. Like, if you guys are just
traffic cops and stuff like that, you guys shouldn't. If you guys are on, like, a SWAT team. - Yeah, you're not answering my question. - Like I said, I'm just going
based on what you're saying, you call me a predator, I'm like, I never done that in my life, right? I've been in situations
where I've been shot at. I had two members of my department die in the last two months. I've been in situations
where I've needed my firearm, I've needed every tool
on my belt in my career. If you would go out and then
see half of the stuff I see, you may change your
perception about what you see. It's dangerous. - Sure, you can't call for backup? - What does me calling for backup have anything to do with using my? - So if you work county,
okay, say in my area. - Which I'm a county cop. - Right, and in my area, I mean, you have miles and miles
of nothing around you. Your closest partner is
maybe, maybe if you're lucky, 20 minutes away, okay? In the meantime, I've got
somebody that has me at gunpoint and if I don't have a
gun on my hip, I'm dead. I am a dead man walking because I have nothing that
can go up against another gun. - But how do you think felons feel? - There's tasers, pepper balls. - Societal issues are not on the police. - Let's not. - Like, I'm not stripping
you of your rights, right? That is not, you can vote. I don't give a (bleep). You can vote, you can carry a gun, you can do all that. - Personal.
- That is not my job in life. My job is you've been, hey,
you've been accused of a crime. I gotta take you to jail because that, this, that and the third, I'm done. - You're saying that we should
have pepper spray, tasers, to Michigan State University or Uvalde is that what you're saying? So you telling me that if I'm
a cop, I have no gun, right? - But also he said to the
community, like maybe- - No, no, that's not what he said. The prompt is, should cops be unarmed? Hold on a second. You just got done watching probably the most tragic
incidence in the probably, historically, Uvalde, may I add? Just, that's kids for crying out loud. And what you're sitting here saying is, is that we shouldn't be
in our, what does it do? Would you like me to do if someone has an AK-47 killing kids? That's my question to you. - We actually have our
own rights, you know, that we actually have
our own rights to carry and defend ourselves in
certain situations like that. - You know, with all due respect, that's not the question I'm asking. - But if you wanna use your body. - I'm asking you if you were, okay, I'll ask in a different way. If you're a police officer
and you have no firearms, you got your pepper spray,
you have your taser, you have your baton, and you are responding to
Uvalde Elementary School where there's an active
shooter with an AK-47, what are you gonna do? - I would say that I would call for backup to the proper authorities
that would be entitled to have those weapons that are
not in the general community. Entitled to what?
- I get what he's saying. - No, but what? Entitled to have weapons,
who, what agency? - SWAT and above. - Like, United Kingdom,
their special forces, and in their police
department have weapons, but they're regular cops. - So why should you just? Why should you have the ability
to just tote around a gun? That's my question to you.
- What's that? - My question to you is,
just because you're a cop, why should you have the
right to tote a gun around just because you have a badge? - No, no, no. That's not what you, that's
not what the prompt is. The prompt is cops being un-armed. - Yeah.
- Cops being all of us. - In Uvalde, they took, like,
over an hour to respond. - Allow me to finish.
- You weren't there. - So you had the guns and
you still didn't care. - Majority of cops
wouldn't have done that. - What I'm saying is
that he's saying cops. Cops is a very, when you say cops to me, you're talking everybody. Every single cop, okay? And you're saying we shouldn't be on arm? - You shouldn't have guns at all. - Okay, so you know what? Next time there's a big active shooter going into a university, then I guess. - I have a question for you.
- We're not, we're we're just gonna let
him shoot all the students. - So I have a question for you. So all the other, all those countries that don't have their police
officers carrying guns. - Not many, just so you know. - Oh, I know very well. That's the work that I do.
- Okay. - So, and even been there to see that. But what I'm saying is that, have you ever thought about how those countries respond
to those situations? And can we do the same? - We absolutely could not do the same because we have criminals here and I'm not speaking of y'all, but there are people
here that still carry, regardless of if it's against the law. If you were to take guns away
from illegals, criminals, people that are not from here, I would a hundred percent
agree that officers don't need guns and that we could go- - From those mass shootings? Because I think the mass
shooters are not the ones, the immigrants and the taking it all. - No, no, no. But, and that's what I'm
just giving examples. I'm just giving examples. - She's right, I mean.
- Yes. - The mass shooting and all that. - It's a second amendment issue. - A constitutional right
to bear arms, right? - It's a right. - Allows every everybody in
this country to bear arms. Well, not everybody, not everybody. Let me be specific. If you're allowed by a
citizen to carry guns, the amount of guns that
we have in America, doesn't it outweigh the
people that we have? Hey, these countries, they
don't have a second amendment. They don't have a constitutional
right to bear arms. So it's a lot easier
to say, you know what? Y'all can't bear arms, so y'all can't bear arms,
in this country, we can. So I'm just being, like I
said, everything is anecdotal. I've been in situations
where I needed my gun. - Yeah. - And you are absolutely right. Would I do the job without one? Hell no, because I've been in
situations where I needed one. - That I agree.
- And you know what? I had it, it's equal force. I'm being shot at, I'm
about to shoot back, not just, hey, I have a gun in my hip. I'm much about to, you know, what? Guns, guns, guns, guns. That's not how I do my job. - And the thing that popped
right from that prompt is just active shooter, active
shooter, active shooter. That's...
- And you're right. - To your question, to your question. - And it's not even active shooter, it's just being shot at by itself. - I haven't done the research or I don't know if there's
any empirical data to know exactly in other
countries how they respond to someone who has an AK-47 that goes into a building
and starts killing people. And yet we're a police force
that doesn't have any firearms. I don't know, I would
have to do the research. - They do have special units where they're just not out in the street where you see them all the time, 24/7. - Okay. - But you said something
and I wanna bring it up. Hold on one sec, you said something. You said that the people
with the guns are oftentimes criminals or you know, people like that. And I wanna say that those mass shootings that happen in our country are from people that pass a whole tons
of background checks and law abiding to your
point and all these things. And all of a sudden, and that was my point earlier about when people snap
or whatever might happen, and we have to be clear
in identifying that because we get labeled
like we are the ones doing all these mass shootings, all these things that these
horrible egregious things. And 90, 96% of the time.
- A good percentage, yes. - It is not a person that
was formally incarcerated. - And to your point, we get labeled. - So let's be clear on that part. - Right, and then we
get labeled as killers. - Right, it's the same. - I think I've heard
agents of racial genocide is what we've been
labeled before, you know? And all this when, and
again, my point was just, I'm talking about one specific
type of incident where. - But we have to pay
attention to that though. - I think everybody would agree. I think everybody would
agree to have a firearm. - We all have pay
attention to that though, and be clear and be very honest
with that and identify it. And not try to like,
oh, well, it sounds good and let's get some news on this and let's just label them
and put everything on them because that's how we feel. Because that is actually what's happening. And then when we know the truth and the facts and it comes out, it's like that person was
never been incarcerated, never had a record, never anything, and do the worst harm to our
society or our communities. Because believe it or not, the vast majority of us
on this side of the fence want safety just as much as you do. - Hey, good humans, Zach here checking in to ask
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is blown out of proportion. - I think that really depends on where you're at, whether it's city, town, I think it really depends on
the department because you have a lot of departments that
you see a lot of that stuff. But then you have like
the small departments that you don't see none of that and you have community policing. You know, we go out and we
do activities with the kids, we do activities with families. Yes, we still do our job. We still pull people over, but we're not, I guess what you would
call harassing people in some of the ways
that the big cities do. - But I mean, you
technically are though, like, I mean justifying your bad behavior and your violence for you
guys doing community work. It just doesn't go hand in hand, you know? - I understand people's
sentiment where one incident where it looks extremely bad is wrong and then it casts an entire umbrella over the entire profession. I may have a different perspective or different perception
of what you're looking at than you do because
I'm in this profession. But the way that I guess
that we look at things now in the media, it's blown
completely out of proportion. - So when we see the videos of a police officer handling a child and that cop has become
violent towards a child. - And I agree, but my thing is, has it been blown outta proportion? I see that one incident. - We see it a lot. - You do see it a lot. But you have to also take in consideration that there's over 1800 agencies
in the entire United States. So if you look at the big
grand scheme of things as it relates to all these agencies, and you do see violence, you do see where it's
scrutinized, where it's brutal. But if you take the numbers,
it's very, very minimal. - If you look at all the public contacts with all agencies nationwide, compared to these bad incidents or the perception of bad incidents, it's a very micro compared to the macro of how many public contacts all the agencies have with the public. - Those are the ones that you do see. I mean, even before social media. - It was brought up earlier
about the media blowing it up and we agree to that. - There was, you know, Rodney King, there was Emmett Till,
there was all these people. - And you know, and honestly,
there's bad officers and good officers will be the first ones to tell you there are bad officers. There's bad officers, there's bad in every workforce
that you're in, everything. If it's bad, it's bad. If it's wrong, it's wrong. You know, we are the
first ones to kind of, hey, you know, that's too far. - And I used to work internal affairs and I personally arrested
two prior police officers. - I also worked internal affairs and I can tell you out of 30 plus of these tribunal hearings,
a lot have been terminated. So there is some accountability. I think we're heading
in the right direction, considering 20 something
years ago, you know, you did something bad and
you know, it got swept. Now social media
obviously has magnified it by hundreds and hundreds, which is good. - But what social media has
done is just allowed everyone to see what's happening
in the moment, right? Before we got it weeks later,
months later, years later. So no one knew what was going on, but now we have the ability
to film it in the moment and say, hey, look at this. And this is what is being captured and violence that's
perpetrated against people who, whether they're doing
something wrong or not is so, I mean, it's to the point where it's not even harmful
anymore, it's tragic. Why? Because we're all human beings and there's a culture of violence that perpetuates within
the department itself. And I've had good cops reach out to me, reach out to me and said
they're not listening. And if I say it, if they
know I'm saying anything, I'm gone or I'm gonna be hurt. - Police violence is completely
blown out of proportion in a sense that it's completely biased. Why isn't nonviolence or me saving someone's life
not blown outta proportion? - [Host] Can the disagreers step forward? - I don't believe it's
blown out of proportion because I believe it's just barely getting the exposure that it needs. - It is what it is, that's what it is. Each time I've encountered the cops, it's just been like the most
negative experience of my life. Like, I'm addicted to the news and every time I turn on the news, it's another cop killing, like you said, maybe they don't report
what's good out there, but they do report the bad. I watch it every day of my life, like, I see how the cops treat people. - If I may ask you, if
you did see the good, would that give you a different
perception about the police? - It's not that I don't see the good, it's that it just doesn't,
I haven't seen it happen. I haven't experienced it. I haven't had heard
nobody in my community. - Right.
- Like, have anything good. - So I've seen the good.
- Okay. - When I was 16 years
old, I'm in my forties. I actually had a police
officer who was my hero. Every contact since in multiple states, multiple divisions, has
violated me, stolen from me, taken from me, has stripped
me of every value I ever had. The way y'all talked to me, the
approach, I'm so respectful. 18,000, that's what you said, divisions? - No, 1800.
- 1800? How many prisons are there
and how many inmates? And then we're disarmed when we come home. We can't vote, so I can't
compete with you on my laws. I can't carry a gun,
I can't defend myself. I can't even carry a knife. The exposure is barely there. We need more exposure. I'm from the LA county area, from the islands of Hawaii originally. Every police in between
them seas to the east coast has always spoken with disrespect. They don't pull us over
on a speeding ticket. Like, hi, how's your day? How you doing? Do you got any emergencies going on? - Yeah, they come with their guns. - When's the last time you was arrested? - Who me? - No, I'm just saying that's the approach when you come to the car window, right? Is on guard. - I don't talk like that. So I hear where you're coming from, but I don't talk like that,
so some people do do that. You talk for them. But you said us, you just
pointed at us and said us. - The department, all
departments, I don't know. - I don't know which
departments they work for, but I work for a department and it's, I've never seen these person,
these people in my life. I've never seen you in my life. I've never encountered you in my life but I wouldn't come at you like that. - So you don't cuss at people
when you walk up to them? - Oh, absolutely not.
- Like walk up to them? No, now if they're cussing
at me, I might cuss back. Absolutely. I'm gonna allow you to dictate how you are going to allow
this interaction to go. - What if I speak to you with respect and you go back there and you pull my license and it
says parole date 2036? - You're still gonna get
treated with respect. - I've never, not one time. So you guys are four. - Come, you can come
do ride alongs with me. - Fine, but what I'm saying is I'm coming to you, oh,
what are you on parole for? This, that and the third. Now, if you're an asshole. - Your computer doesn't tell you? That's my response, if your
computer doesn't tell you, you gotta do your job. - Yeah, the dynamic's changed because everybody's
got body-worn video now or dashboard video and
everything's recorded. All these contacts. - Yeah, but that's the
reason you guys have 'em. That's exactly why you guys
have body cams and dash cams. - For transparency. - Your own departments don't trust you. - It's for transparency. So if I do something, the public
knows why I did something. That's what it's for. I grew up in the era of body
cams, so I'm fine with it. Yeah, I turn it on every single time. I've had people say,
hey, this person is rude, this person, this and that and the third. And they watch the body cam, there's nothing that they said. - Bingo and I'll jump into that. - But technology is policing you. So technology has little error. Human beings are policing
us in the community of a community that you
don't even know our values. You come from 30 miles away
is a difference in the values. So I believe that it
does need more exposure beyond the cameras that y'all have. - Well, I think if you're gonna
say it needs more exposure, I think the good side
also needs more exposure. - Yeah. - I think policing in a
whole needs more exposure. - I mean, I grew up with that in school DARE programs and all these false hopes. - But that's not-
- That's your exposure. - The DARE program has
nothing to do with patrol and being out on the streets and working with people and
families out on the streets. I see the good in policing, but I also see the bad in policing. So like I said, if it's gonna, if this one side needs more exposure, I think it all needs more exposure. - I grew up in the community. I'm not judging you, but yet
you see me with a uniform, you automatically judge me
and I don't think that's fair. - Well that, because that
comes from her experience. That's what she's trying to say. It's like as soon as the
uniform is put on, the badge, it like, and for most-
- Ego trip. - And 'cause I'm in that work.
- Right. - And I see it and it's like
the ego comes in or that power. And as human beings, we must
feel like we are in control. That's just, it just seems to be an innate
thing within all of us. Oftentimes people with titles and roles allow the titles and roles
to justify what they do. The good is there, the good is there, there's four of you right here. You have some conscience,
like that's what I'm hearing. - [Host] Committing a
crime is never justified. Does anybody agree with the prompt? - No.
- Everything is a crime now. - [Host] Can the disagreers step forward? - That prompt, it's a
very open-ended question. I shared a part of my story
earlier about the person, the officer who was
there to protect, serve, and he committed a crime against me. Was he justified? Because he was a police
officer, a detective? I forgave him. And so that's why I couldn't step forward because I had to pause for a second. I just, I have to take
a neutral stance here because that's not our reality. - I was 14 years old and I was
deciding to not go to school. And my stepdad came up and yanked a cover out from underneath me and I hit the ground off of a bunk bed and I got up cussing him and
he slapped me across my face. And I was the one that was
taken to juvenile hall. But, damn it, my crime was justified. You know, I think with anybody, with any crime that is
committed, there's a reason, there's a background, there's a story. - There you go. - There's circumstances
that you have to find out. And us as police officers,
that's our job, you know? And we'll take it from there. - So, none of you as
officers stepped forward and felt like it was
unjustifiable the minute that you put your badge
on to commit a crime? - No, no.
- Not one of you? I feel like she just asked for an instant. - Right, I feel like some things are justifiable for basic survival. - I'm just curious how the four of you didn't have that one
concept and you took a oath to protect and serve my community, his community, your
community, her community. And not one of you stepped forward. I was gonna step forward and challenge it. I hesitated and went back
because I wanted to rethink it. Not one of you felt like
when you put on that badge and that tool belt that there
was no justifiable reason to commit a crime because
it'd be self-defense, right? - Some things are justified, like I just said, basic survival. - Food, food, yeah. - I deal with transient
all the time, right? They, go and steal something. My department requires me to do something when somebody steals something, now, do I think it's right? No, but he's hungry. I got, I have, it's my job. So I have to do something
or I'm gonna get fired. Can I pull out my card and and pay for it? - I've done that.
- No. - I've done that.
- But I can't. My department doesn't allow me to do that. So I can't do that, I
have to do something. They say, "Hey, I want him to go to jail." He's going to jail. Based on what that person said. With your situation, if she would've took the
knife to the officer, that's justified to me, right? In my eyes.
- Yeah, there you go. - Now, being justified and
dealing with the consequences are two different things. - I'm totally accountable. My years in prison made
me 100% accountable for me in every action that I do and
every thought that I make. So I've served federal and state prison. I have a parole until 2036 for narcotics. I've never hurt anybody, nobody's ever overdosed from my drugs. I just got caught under the Reagan laws. I was raised in there. I've created my deepest
friendships that I have in there. I've left women behind in there. The problem is that when
I found myself in trouble, since I've been home, the last number I would call is anything with a one one. 211, 411, or 911. My loss of faith and belief in the whole, whole entire police community is gone. It ain't no 2% of you in my eyes. There ain't no 1% because
you might be a hero one day and then 16 years later,
back against the corner, lose everything you
stood for and it happens. We're humans. - Just a prompt. Anything that you've done to get you where you
were was never justified. - If you look at justifiable,
no, I was greedy. I was taught to hustle. - But why did you start? - Because I was hungry. - You were justified. But you're still gonna get arrested. That's what I'm saying. - No, I don't justify it. I'm accountable. See, there's a difference, you can't. - That's not what I'm saying. I understand where you come from, but I'm still gonna arrest you. I'm still gonna do my job. - 'Cause it's his job.
- Yeah, I'm still gonna do it. So I understand your story, I hear you. But you're still going jail. That's what I'm saying. Is it justified? I get it. You were hungry, you had
to do what you had to do. You had to do what you
have to do to survive. I get it, but you're still going to jail. - You're doing a job that the
department told you to do. - Right. - You just said that, would you want it to come out
your pocket to probably feed the person that was stealing
something 'cause they hungry? Because in your humanity, you know what it's like to be hungry. - Agreed.
- But in your job, you know that if you don't
do what you're told, right? And the procedures and stuff.
- You gonna get in trouble. - That you're gonna get in trouble. You'd probably lose that job and that's not something you wanna do 'cause you also have to feed
your family and feed yourself. Right?
- Agreed, absolutely. - So I think we can all agree some of you have good intentions
and you go in with that. But it's a department that
has a culture of violence. You can't help but to pick
up some of those traits. A number one 'cause you want your job. A number one. So I served 27 years in prison in a maximum security prison for women. I had a sentence of 25 to life for the crimes of kidnapping and murder. That's what I was convicted of. Did I do it? That's a different story. No person that represented
a system helped me. Punishment has become the response to every damn thing in this country. - Because it's like
we're out in the street living every day to survive. We're out in the street
doing our own thing. When you guys', colleagues come after us, like at what point does it justify your colleagues to do all that stuff? Just 'cause they have that badge. When y'all colleagues are shooting at us, how does that justify you guys' crimes? That's what I understood from her. - Who's policing who?
- Yeah, that's what I got. - Yeah, I was agreeing
with what you're saying. - You're out in the streets and, you know, you guys come and do all this and that. Well, who's calling? Who's calling us to
get to where you're at? - All right, let me give you
a perfect example, right? - Okay. - Let's say I have a
broken down car, you know? - Okay. - I have a broken down
car and nobody called you. You just happen to see a broken down car and I have my emergency lights on too. So I'm declaring that I'm having an emergency situation. - Okay. - You see me out and
about, I'm on my phone, I'm in a safe area on this side, on the right side of my vehicle where I'm not in imminent danger. I'm following all my protocols. Let's say I even go as far
as putting a road flare or a cone from a traffic kit. I cover all my Ts and As, you know? I'm literally trying to avoid
you 'cause I don't like you. So I'm doing everything I gotta do. But here you go. Woo, woo, woo, woo. Hey, what's up? Do you need help? And I'm like, no sir,
I don't need any help. I've called AAA, they're on their way. I verbally communicated
with you that I'm good. I'm in no imminent danger. I've put my cones up, I'm waiting for AAA. I relayed to you verbally,
communicated that I'm okay, I'm not bleeding, you're not seeing
anything going on with me that would attract you to come after me. But here you are grabbing at your belt, pulling at your thing, just seeking for something to go after. Immediately see, you're
like a predator, bro. You're literally hawking
eye into your target and you're like, "I'm gonna get him." Boom, and then here you go. "You've been drinking today?" I'm like, "Bro, I just told
you I don't need your help." Like, I'm sitting here waiting for my AAA to come with a flat tire
'cause I got a wheel lock. - Okay. - Oh, so but have you been drinking today? Are you on probation or parole? Immediately, it's like,
dude, I'm in distress. I've advised you I don't need your help. - Right. - Put up all my flares, crossed all my T's dotted all my I's. But you continue to push the subject. - Yeah. - Have you ever gone as far
as like pulling your gun? - Let me- - Why are you getting hostile, sir? - I'm not saying it doesn't happen. - Click, why are you getting hostile, sir? Click. (group laughing) You good? - Yeah, so. - I feel like you're getting hostile, sir. Put your hands where I can see 'em, click. There we go. - So I'm gonna tell you what I always used to say in the streets
when I worked patrol. - I mean, do we agree here? - This is what I was gonna say. I'm gonna tell you what I
always say in patrol, you know, and this is what, my earlier comment, when we get painted with this broad brush. First of all, I would've given you a ride. When you say you, I just wanna make sure and
be clear that me personally- - That's why I have AAA though. - Hold on, let me finish, let me finish. What I'm saying is that in my
mind you're speaking about me, me personally, I would've
helped you no matter what, okay? - But I don't need your help. I've advised you verbally. - Roger that, that's fine. And you know what?
- You were 10 feet away. You kept coming towards me.
- I would've took off, went to Starbucks and got a cup. - When you were 15 feet away.
- I would've took off, went to Starbucks and got a cup. I understand that. But what I'm saying is, is that I'm gonna tell you
what I always used to say when I used to work in the streets. You know what? I can't speak and I
can't feel what you feel? - So why did you?
- Let me finish. - See, what I mean?
- Let me finish. You're not letting me-
- Nobody called you. Who called you? - You're not letting me finish. - So who called you? - You're not letting me finish. - But that was my question. That was your question, right? Who called you? - Did I let you speak? - Go ahead.
- But nobody called you. - Can I say something?
- He doesn't understand. Can we get a little protocol here? The Q&A where he talks and then I talk because she's not letting me talk. - [Host] Yeah, one sec, okay. You can respond and then
I wanna hear from Scar. and then we have to go to the next prompt. - Can you just, please
let me finish, okay? - I mean, I'm answering the
valid points validly, you know? - You're not letting me, you know what? Disregard it. - It's good, we don't gotta agree. You know, I gotta say like-
- What I'm trying to say. - But gotta have more
patience as a police officer. - Well, no, it's, well- - You just got a quick
snap and I can see it. - No, no, no.
- You always gotta be right. - No, I just don't want to argue. When I argue, I'll just
let the person speak as much as you can and then once- - The crime that was committed, like, when I was a kid,
I wanted to be a cop. I saw the cops, they were,
I grew up in the nineties, so they would get baseball cards and I thought the cops
were the coolest things 'cause I had like, I had a
real, real bad childhood, like with my parents
and I didn't really have friends like that, but
the cops would be there. But the second I got my low rider bike, like the cops would pull
me over and gimme tickets and I'd be like, why don't
you stop them over there? It's like, well, we stopping
you, how we gonna stop them? And then I would get tickets constantly. I was just a kid. I didn't know what I was doing. I like the low rider culture and they would gimme tickets all the time. Then my parents would be like, why you getting tickets? Like, I don't know, they
just keep stopping me. And then like, maybe I'll ditch school and the cops will like, you know, sometimes they'll get me
from a certain neighborhood and drop me off, like,
far away from my house, or sometimes and I was a minor, and they'll get me from the streets and take me to the police station, which I found out later was illegal and they made me to who I am. And they made me think
that I was a bad guy until like, I realized almost like 13 years ago. I don't gotta be that bad guy no more. But the cops made me who I was. - And I'll share, I've never
served any time like that. I was arrested as a 13 year old, you know, literally I still looked like I was 10. I was smoking weed at the park and I got immediately
apprehended, taken into custody. I got handcuffed behind my back. And then I got placed in
a cop car with no divider. It was like a park cop, you know? So no divider, and then when he asked, he started asking me
about my name and stuff. So I was like a adolescent,
you know, adolescent phases. I didn't want to answer
him, I didn't have to. - Why not though? - He's a minor
- Because I'm a minor. You don't have to interrogate
me without my parents. - You don't have the
right to talk to them. - That's incorrect, you committed a crime. - See?
- But I mean, you know. - I don't think you're well versed. One second, gotcha!
- One second, one second. - So without the barrier and
he kept asking me questions and I just simply didn't
want to answer 'em. I didn't have to at that point, you know? So he got upset that I didn't, you know, volunteer with whatever his demands were. And he just punched me in the chest as a handcuffed 13 year old
kid, knocked the wind outta me, whatever, you know, it went as far as violating my rights. I never even knew that I could have told his commanding officers or
even the watch commander, once I got to the jail, yo, this guy like sucker
punched me in the chest. Like he knocked the wind outta me. He abused me. He abused a minor. I didn't know any of that right now. That I'm an adult, because I'm a felon, because of course that, you know, escalated into more things
like getting marijuana and marijuana was hell illegal back then. 'Cause I'll be damned
if you guys mess with me like all over again and
that has happened to me. - I get it. - That's why I got road flares in my car. That's why I keep like a kit, you know? - I get it. - I cross all my T's and
dot all my I's, dude. - [Host] Criminals who
commit violent felonies don't deserve certain legal rights. - You know what, I'm sorry. I can't do this. I can't do this episode no more. It's not making any sense. The questions just don't make sense to me. I can't really get my
point across how I want to and the questions are
kind of like reversed, it's like you're asking
the question but you kinda. - I totally understand.
- So I can't do it. - [Host] You can always share
whether you agree or disagree. - [Scar] Well, I tried to, but everybody's talking over each other and I can't be on camera doing this. - [Host] I totally understand. - I can't get my point across
that, (bleep) the police. You know what I mean? But I can't do that. Like I can't do that and I
can't even get my point across. There's no point of me being here. So I'm outta here. - Can we take a smoke break then? - [Producer] Yeah, let's
take a smoke break. - I can? Oh yes! - [Host] I fear the other side. Step forward if you agree. - You know, I think it's part of their job to put fear in us, but
it shouldn't, you know, every time just for a traffic ticket or just being stopped on the street, it was always like guns
drawn right away, you know? And every time they
point their guns at me, especially towards my back
when I'm not even looking, like it just gives me this fear. And then not only that,
they like to manhandle you. They like to like grip on
your knuckles when they, I already know the procedure. I spread my legs and I try
to do everything right. And they still try to
manhandle you each time. They try to like hold you so you could react and do something. It's like that it's like
their job is to incriminate us and for every traffic
ticket, it was always like, I always have my driver
license, my insurance. So every time they'll come at me, I start cursing them, them
out, like that was me. That was my whole, from
ever since I turned 18, to I was like 30. I was just cursing them
out every chance I get. And I would love it 'cause
they'll gimme a ticket each time and I'll be like, okay,
like, I don't care. I'm paying for my freedom and that was the cost of my freedom. But I did fear for my life each time. Every time like they manhandle
me and talk down to me, all I would think about was my kids. Like, damn, if my kids wanted
to see how these people act, 'cause my kids look up to me. But to see the cops act this way and then laugh about it. You know, who are these people? Like, they bring fear to the community. They don't bring any peace or
nothing like that, you know? And that's how I grew up. I grew up with so much
aggression towards the cops, like so much aggression until
I realized, you know what? I'm not who they made me to be. - I have a dangerous job. Just like how you have children. I don't know if everybody has children. I wanna go home to see my children, so I don't necessarily
fear the other side. I just fear what could happen if I let my guard down
while I'm doing my job. And that's it, once you
start off aggressive, I kind of have to match that
because in the back of my head, why are you being aggressive? I have to understand, hey, he's being aggressive for some reason. I don't wanna die. I don't want you to die. You don't wanna die. I would hope that you
don't want me to die. And we just meet in
the middle right there. - Yeah, back then I would hope
a car hits them or something because the cops will come
out with their guns drawn. It wasn't even no like,
I'll just be spooked. And once they come to me. I'll be like, you mother (bleep) like I'll just go off on them. - In my younger days, like I never just pointed
my gun for no reason, but I was, you know, what the? Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa. Now it's like, oh, okay. - I mean, it's just interesting how all you guys stayed
back there and didn't come and I think you guys decided to come and show that you do have fear, but I don't think you guys really fear us. You know, the way we fear you. You keep saying that it's not you. And he's gonna keep
saying that it's not him. So who is it? Nobody? - If it's black and white. Do I fear you? No, I don't. I don't even know you to fear you. - I signed up for the fact
that one day I'm gonna get shot and 20 plus years ago, I
couldn't agree with you more. I totally, totally
understand that brutality and how we treat people. We treat 'em like (bleep). I get that. Fast forward 25 years ago, because of all that treatment that we did, now you have ambushes, you know? You got situations where
suspects, you know, people are coming up to
cops and just executing them and you know, so when the
prompt says, you know, do I fear the other side? Well, yeah, I mean the other side is someone who wants to take my life out and doesn't even know me. And I suppose that's a
consequence of what happened decades ago where we did
treat people like (bleep). - I just had to say this straight. Let's be clear, what we are hearing right
now, there's trauma, right? - Yes.
- And this is triggering. - Oh, absolutely.
- Right. - And so what we are
going off of our reality, what's happened and what
continues to happen, it causes us as human
beings to become defensive. It causes us to become protective. It causes us to become
things that we're not. - But it shouldn't.
- We weren't born to. - And it shouldn't.
- It shouldn't. - Exactly, exactly. - Like, I should not have
to stay inside my house and become an introvert. And it's like, why can't
I enjoy my freedoms? I'm a tax paying American. I mean, I know I'm a felon and I can't have certain,
you know, rights. But when does my fear of you guys impede me from living my
life as a free American? - I'm only 30 years old so I'm
dealing with the consequences of what people have done in the past. But it's like, I'm not like that. So it's like, hey, I get the trauma but it's also like I'm
trying to change it. Allow me to change it. - Yeah.
- You, you know what? I do have to say something, like the cops from the
nineties are very different from the new cops, 'cause now they got a whole
bunch of different races. Before it was mostly whites. So that's what I had to
deal with in the nineties. But now it's a little
different, I could say that. - [Host] Can the disagreers step forward? - I agree with this gentleman here about the job has danger factors, coming across people out
in the field in patrol. I didn't fear them because I treated them
with the utmost respect and I treated them the way I would want my family to be treated if they were on the
other end being stopped. I've had arrestees after going to the jail and processing 'em, get
'em food with whatever, a handful will say, you know what? Thank you for treating me
with the utmost respect. - I honestly, I live in anxiety every day. Every time I see a
black and white cop car. - I get it, I get it. - Every time I see red and blue lights. - I totally get it. - A uniform, I hear a
little too much keys. I hear (crackles) I just don't, you know, little noises that come
with your guys' uniform. I sat up here for 15 minutes
and was gonna turn around because I did not wanna be in a room with four people that wore that badge. And it's come to that
much of a broken trust 'cause I am the most friendliest
human that you'll meet. I trust everything,
even a stranger walking. Soon as I see a uniform, I'm totally guarded and I
live in anxiety because of it. Me, with my parole, I could show license, registration, insurance with a smile. Oh, why you got a parole till 2036? Step outta your vehicle. Next thing you know, my little tiny belongings
are on the side of the curb and it's not even getting
put back together. And then I'm late for work. Now I gotta explain to a job
that hired a felon why I'm late because someone had a busy day and they saw that I had a parole date. If you don't know my drama, I don't expect you to evaluate it. But I don't expect a tough
tone either 'cause I'm, it might trigger me and then we both gonna
be all types of (bleep) you know? (laughs) - Totally, totally, totally get you. - What I wanna know is how
you guys feel about that, that we are scared of you guys? - I hate it.
- Yeah. - Because how do I gauge that? I don't know, I guess I have to keep, continue to ask questions
this, that and the third. But I'm like, why the hell,
I'm just talking to you. Like, if I saw, like I said. - You can only put a animal on the corner for so long before they fight back. But I think that's what the police wants. I think they want a war. They want us to fight back 'cause I wanted to fight back so long until I realized I wasn't that person and I had to just go my way, like follow the path that God gave me. And I had to leave that alone. But I did have a uglier path
that I was gonna follow. But it's like, you know, the cops, it's like you guys make
yourself our enemy. - I don't enjoy conflict. - Well, I'm telling you,
we're all scared of you. Everybody I know is scared of the police. - When you interact with
me or with any of you guys, I'm gonna understand
who you are as a person. And it kind of goes
back to what he had said about match energy with energy, you know? - But if that was the case,
I mean, we already fear you. We don't, we are not scared. I'm not scared of you one bit. If I had a gun, we could both go at it. We'll do a duel or something
like that and it will be even. Other than that, I'm
not scared of you guys, but it's just the fact that a lot of times we don't have guns, we don't have knives like you guys think. You guys think we're ninjas that we're just gonna
throw a knife or a fork and it's gonna land in
your eye and then you guys, that's not how we live. That that's not the
reality that we grew up. - That badge gives you guys all the power. - What community are you from? Because I hear twang. - Tennessee. - Okay, so where do you police? - Tennessee. - You police in Tennessee? - Mm-hmm. - So do you police in the
community you grew up in? - I do. - Okay, so out here in
LA it's pretty different. Okay, our police.
- That's right. - Like the beat, they might
live there for 25, 30 years and live over here now
'cause they've made it out. Or they might actually come from somewhere they wanted to police but they send them to
Long Beach, you know? So a big factor is that
that badge that you put on, you took a responsibility that to know that I don't trust you. We can have commonalities. I probably can have a commonality with you even if you said that it was your passion other than if we could
get to way above you 'cause you're like the bottom of the trickle effect of the system. I need friends way up there. - Absolutely.
- Yeah. - Once you put on that
uniform and that badge, for me, I'm on guard
no matter who you are. - You're 100% right. We have a lot of work to do. Shows like this, us coming together and
having this dialogue, it's only gonna try to get us, you know, not only just to middle ground but to treat each others as humans. So we have a lot of work
to do, I totally get it. - I agree. - [Host] Policing is necessary. Policing is necessary. (group laughing) - Oh, you're gonna do a poll like that? - Oh, man.
- I agree with y'all. - I agree because I was
kidnapped, raped and tortured and it was a off-duty LA sheriff officer who was outta jurisdiction
playing softball. It was during payphone
days, he saw red flags, he was policing, you know, he did his job. He noticed damsel in distress, I guess. And he called local authorities and the gentleman got
a double life sentence due to the horrendous crimes
he committed against me. So I do believe that policing is necessary in certain perspectives. However, I'm gonna be biased. I think that y'all don't need
a police drugging me, no. (group laughing) So I do believe that there is a reason and a purpose for your positions. - I'm sorry that happened to you and I'm sorry that happened to you. I'm a parent and I have a daughter, I have a mother, I have a sister. And I would never want
anything like that to happen. And what you went through was horrendous and we have checks and
balances in place for that. Moving forward with a lot of transparency, I think there are a lot of changes in regards to issues with that. Like I said, I mentioned earlier, I personally arrested two
of our own officers working in internal affairs for the
crimes that they committed. It didn't go over well,
but it had to be done. And those are the checks and
balances and transparency that these agencies have in place. - We are not a healed race of humans. We are not in a healthy place. We haven't been in a
healthy place probably ever. But we have to get
there, it's not working. It causes more harm than it does good because even if a hundred
police officers do good, it takes that one to do
something so atrocious. - Yeah.
- So bad, that it just wipes all the good away. And it shouldn't and it
shouldn't, but it does. Hungry people are gonna steal
to eat and that's the thing. We are not looking at
the root causes of stuff. Yes, the four of you, what I'm hearing, you sound like really good human beings that have a job or chose a job to maybe you wanted to protect
and serve and whatever else and knew that there was
bad things that happen, you wanna help with that. I understand that and it's true, but it gets lost and it gets murky when we continue to see
the things that happen. Policing is necessary, but
it depends on how you police. - I wanted to be a football
player but I wasn't that good. - I do believe y'all need to
be policed as well though. I believe that you spend, you as police officers spend
way too much time policing us and not enough time policing each other. And on all the videos, 100% has shown the facts
of what partners do. You know, they stand by,
they don't police each other. They don't say, "Hey,
stop, bruh, hold up." My homeboys, if I'm acting a
fool and they know my felony, they're gonna stop me. They're gonna say, "Get back over here,
Bonnie, calm yourself. "You got too much to lose." All the videos where
there's one gone wild. - We don't do that.
- Not policing each other. - Right, so to your point.
- Senate bill too. - Well, not only that, yeah. They just enacted duty to
intercede or intervene, right? So right now, you act a fool
and you start acting up, and your partner's there
and you just watching, that's not gonna cut it. You're gonna get jammed up
and probably get terminated. Me personally, look,
in my 25, 24, 25 years. I spent about 12 years in discipline. So I worked internal affairs
and I prosecuted cops, so I'm 100% with you. I don't think any of us here would like to have a bad
actor or a liar, you know, or a murder for that mean
or a rapist or you know, so that in it itself is just
not tolerated whatsoever because we're trying to do what's good. Is police needed? For me, on a personal note, I had a sister who was molested and raped when she was young, my older sister, and she got heavily into drugs. She's a 27 year veteran of meth and ended up getting arrested. She ended up having to go
through the system and you know, I suppose at one point
she got drug diversion. But all those years of all those better, all those years that she did drugs have really affected her
physically to the point where she ended up getting ovarian cancer. And so two years ago I
lost her terminal cancer. My nephew, her son, the apple didn't fall far
from the tree. (chuckles) He also committed a lot of crimes. And you know what? If it wasn't for the police arresting him and going through the system, he probably would be dead right now. Right now, he committed crimes
out here in Los Angeles, and he's now over in another state where he committed more crimes. And now luckily, thank God, that he's actually going
through the systems at a halfway house. He's been sober for, I think, over a year. So the police for me, not just
internally for what I did, but it's super necessary for others. - I mean, we do need policing in a way, but not this type of policing, you know? That's it, just this is not it. We need to find a another way, you know? And you know, I don't mean to be funny, but I'm pretty sure you guys, if you haven't seen the
movie, "Judge Dredd." I mean, they get to the point, they don't take nothing personal. They do their job, they get spit on, they get talked back and
the cops just do their job. Well, they're judges but not cops, but they just do their job, that's it. Nothing personal, it's just business. Because it is a business 'cause everything that
has to do with the police either has something to do with money or money comes out of it, but that's it. You just gotta take the
personal stuff out the equation, out of the equation, I
think will be all right. And I mean, compassionate,
I mean it goes hand in hand, but like I said, just do
your job and that's it. It don't gotta go nowhere beyond that. - So you're 50/50?
- No, no. - You think, you- - We should abolished this
policing and start a new way. - But you are for the police as long as it's a better
system is what you're saying? - No, not for the police. It needs to be something else. No, the whole police, policing everything that has police in it, just needs to get out the way. It needs to be a new way
of going about things. - So if, you said you had kids, right? - Mm-hmm.
- I have four, okay? If my daughter is raped, I need an officer that is
willing to be my child's voice and hold the rapist accountable, okay? I was raped, none of
my family believed me. Okay, nobody but that one
officer that I spoke to, that one cop believed me and made sure that everything
was handled appropriately and charges actually stuck. - But what's the odds of
you getting that one cop? I've had, I've lost all hope in 911 and calling cops, I don't care. My community can take
care of whatever happens that comes towards my family. And I do believe that y'all
need a police perspective, but not, mm, how would I say? Not, yeah, like the badge and the uniform ain't working no more. - We all agree that something,
we need something better. - Yeah.
- Nah, I don't agree at all. Not one bit, I literally believe like, we should be able to
take care of ourselves, fend for ourselves, you know? I mean, when this country- - So if you have a three year old daughter that gets kidnapped or
raped, your same situation. - Well, I mean, I'm gonna go out. - How is she gonna defend herself? - I'm gonna become an automatic criminal and probably face charges for taking matters upon my own hands. I'm gonna fall into the cycle. - If you couldn't find the
rapist or the kidnapper? - I mean, to be honest with you, like, I hate to put it this way, but I've been a victim of
crimes that I've solved myself before you guys even got involved and crimes have happened
to me that I've delivered, literally I've delivered, I've
handed cases to investigators and I've done, you know, my thing. I'm not gonna go out and shoot people. I got too much to lose. But I will do my job and I will do what I gotta
do 'cause it's my stuff. I'm paying, my tax dollars are paying for you guys to do absolutely nothing. And when you guys are called. I'm open a beer, I'm gonna chill, I'm gonna hang out.
- Yes. - I'm gonna probably order a pizza. The pizza man will get
there before you guys do. You're civil servants of us. When at what point did you go from serving us to harassing us? At what point did you go from
serving and protecting us to making us inferior to you guys? At what point do we go from the people to man, we're scared of you guys. - And I hear you, honestly, I hear you. I hear everything you're saying and I'm sorry you went through. - I honestly have a better chance policing myself than I
have in calling you guys. - Well, I'm sorry you went
through what you did, okay? I will apologize for us as a whole, but you can't judge all of us. - It's not just you guys, it's a whole history
since you guys started. Like, in 1777 when this country was built, there was no police. - I have trouble, especially
being a black cop, is I have been through
what you've gone through yet when I try to be a better person, every time I talk to somebody with trauma, like what you're saying,
you judge me based off this, but then expect me not
to do the reverse to you. And I don't understand
where that disconnect is. - Well, the disconnect- - If I were, if I were to treat you like, oh (bleep) this is just a
Mexican on the street, right? - All the time. - I don't know you, so
I've never done that. So don't say I've done that, right? But if I were to treat you like
that, it would be an issue. Why do you feel okay to do that? Hey, this is a cop. He's gonna do the exact same (bleep) that everybody else did it
before, that's not fair to do. - It's not, but it's not
fair to come after me when I'm just driving my car. - I don't know you. - The constitution says
that I have the right to enjoy my roads that I
pay for with my at dollars. - It says that you have
the right to travel. It doesn't say. - Yeah, travel freely. Travel freely, that's the key word. - Travel does not mean drive.
- Travel freely. - Right, so you can walk
wherever you want to go, but you can't drive. That's under the California constitution. But that's neither here nor there. But what I'm saying, I would never- - This is, pay attention, guys. I want you guys to pay attention, right? I want you guys to pay attention because this is a big problem right here and he claims that he's not a problem and he's in the middle. But let me point it out
to you guys right here where the big flaw is. Every time that I've invoked my rights, this individual has chose to go around and still violate my rights.
- Me? Okay. - Notice that? The same persona, the same. You know what I mean? - This is not getting anywhere. - And it's not. - [Host] Can we move on to the last prompt because it feels like
it's not going anywhere? - [Marlon] Let's go on to the next prompt. - Okay.
- Yeah. - [Host] Locking people
up doesn't solve anything. - I agree.
- Yeah. (chuckles) - Finally, middle ground. Punishment is the response to everything. By punishment, I mean throwing
somebody into a system that does not address anything, any of the issues that
the person might have had, the communities have, people
with substance issues, mental health issues, poverty issues. Let's be clear, poverty is a crime, right? But people are getting locked up for it because they're trying to manage and eat, and survive and just do, you know? And so we're not addressing
anything that causes these ills. Okay, let's lock 'em up
and throw away the key. That's the mindset. That's how we feel because we lived it and we continue to live it. - Yeah, I think we've gotten better. - Right and I feel like
that's where now we find we are getting this middle ground. - [Marlon] Absolutely. - And it's understanding that it is not the way to do things. It is not the solution.
- Right. I feel like we're getting the blame for it when it's a system as a whole. - Right.
- You know? We don't have anything
to do with what happens. - But you're part of it.
- Yes. - Well, we are part of it. - Absolutely.
- Yeah, you're the root of it. - We absolutely agree on that. - See, that's the thing that you guys say, oh, we're not responsible. But then you say that, oh,
we're not like this, but I mean- - No, we're responsible, I get it. - No one's taking
accountability, that's one thing. I mean, you guys say, sorry. You're apologizing for
them, but where are they? Like, you know, it's
like we never see them. - You're the stage before intake. So you're the level before I go in. So when I'm put in handcuffs and going in, my last real human contact.
- Yes. - Is with the person who
put the handcuffs on me. And not once has anyone ever, like ever just had a compassionate, like, "Hey, I hope to see you
make it outta here healthy." Or "Hey, you know what?" - Recidivism's been 70% for
God knows how long, like. - Like 80 something.
- Probably 80 now. In certain zip codes in certain locations, it's probably even the 90 or 95%. So from a societal point
of view, absolutely. I think that, you know, locking
people up is not the key. As a matter of fact, all the prisons that they made
in the state of California has been overpopulated for decades. - There's money in recidivism, there's not money in reformation. And that's the problem is that you are trapped in a system and so am I where it's all about
a dollar amount on me. And that's just what it is. - Like, you know when I got locked up, I went in for weed and when
I got out, like in two weeks, I came out knowing how to steal a car, I made more connections
with more criminals. I learned how to make a shank,
I learned how to hide stuff. Like, I became more criminal, going to prison, going to jail, all these, like, you just
are surrounded by other, people that are doing even crazier stuff than just having weed. So it's like I came out worse
and each time I will go, I will learn something even worse. So it's like, it just
makes you even worse. - Imagine like having a family
for 13, 27 years, right? And then you come home and you're told you can't
associate with them. Like, those are my friends
and they're home, I'm home. We relied on each other. Violation, 10 day sit down. Oh, what's your name? It's all about the dollar amount. - Absolutely. - All my support is stripped
because they're felons. What support do I have? Not y'all, not the felons, I'm in the middle line too. Who supports me? My job. - We need some help on all,
on both sides at all levels. Going back what you said about financials. Yeah, it is. It's at the legislative branch that where they need to make these changes and it's gonna trickle down where it affects all of us on both sides. - Definitely.
- And we have not, we have not really brought the elephant to light in this room right now. This system is not ours, right? It was created before any of us here. It was designed to continue
a a form of slavery, period. The vast majority of
the 2.3 million people in American prisons and jails
are black and brown people. Period. - It's broken and I don't see our generations
being able to fix it. - I'm young. - I don't see the next generation, but I will tell you I will
do my part as an individual to uphold and treat everybody with respect as I'm sure all three of
these guys can say as well. You know, I didn't know y'all from Adam. I don't know them from
Adam, but here we are. We're having conversations,
we're having debates, and I will still treat you
guys all with the same respect. - [Host] And thank you so
much guys for being here. - Yeah. (group clapping) (light instrumental music)
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holy fuck
the first argument for police having guns, ARE 3 SHOOTINGS WHERE THE POLICE FUCKING FAILED!