An Interview with an Ex-Muslim - Follower of Christ

well hello everyone we like to welcome you to another episode of lettuce trees and this one of course is a very special episode since we have a special guest with us I kept the name of the guest a surprise and I didn't want to reveal a whole lot of information but I gave you hints that it will be a testimony of someone who is now an ex-muslim a follower of Jesus but prior to that was a follower of Islam our dear sister Hadiya sister Hadiya we are honored to have you in our show thank you and it's an honor to be here thank you for inviting me thank you absolutely you know we're honored that you accepted our invitation you know we understand the risk that just by virtue of being an ex-muslim any way that you might be going through but I always have a high respect for female Muslims who make such a leap and follow Christ because I know the cost is is heavy and can impact sometimes far beyond just normal relationships especially if the person has other connections have marriages have children's and it can get complicated but I don't want to jump ahead of myself we would like for you of course to walk us through a journey of your transformation from being a follower of Islam all the way until you became a follower of Jesus and then we'll look at some questions and we'll interact based on some of the facts if you've shared already you are free to share whatever you feel comfortable with we are not here to try to in any way to jeopardize your safety by any stretch of an imagination so please don't feel pressured to share anything that you may perceive to be a little bit you know outside of the realm of safety that you would like to maintain all right well with that says thank you again for joining us please start by telling us of course a little bit about your background and your upbringing and walk us through that journey and inner in between I may interrupt you slightly okay no problem okay so my name is a Khadija I was born and raised in Yorkshire in the UK and I grew up in a family where I wasn't necessarily raised to pray five times a day or learn Arabic or go to mosque which is quiet it's not normal really for a Muslim family and because I actually grew up in a quranists family and now although I grew up in a Koran is family ourselves sort of compounded compounded by many of the rules and regulations that is some talk like eating halal meat fasting and believing in the Prophet Muhammad so I don't know if you know what honest so background looks like but my family only sort of looked at the Quran as their main compass for directing their lives they didn't look at the hadith nor the traditions and the you know they believed that Muhammad was a prophet and the final messenger on the seal of the prophets but they didn't really take it much further than that so as I was growing up I really didn't know what was within the hadith and I really didn't know about the character of Muhammad so as I began to mature I became fascinated by Islam I began questioning those that were so believing in the hadith and I went so far a sort of writing letters to scholars and and researching and disqualifying a lot of the hadith and I'm really trying to find out why did Muslims need a secondary book when the crown always said that it was perfectly perfectly complete and fully detailed and explained and my father always taught me that knowledge is power and you know you should always question things which again is very um it's very strange really for a Muslim father to say that to their child because in Islam really you shouldn't be questioning you should just obey and so other side College I prepared myself to look into the face which is Christianity in Judaism but really they didn't interest me I was actually convinced like many of the other Muslims that I was born into the true religion and furthermore I think I was put in a position where I felt like I had the right screen of Islam as well the other the other strains were wrong I was actually born into the right strain of Islam Islam so my battle wasn't really to convince other people in other religions to come into Islam my I thought my battle was really coming to the Muslims that the Quran only approach was the right approach and it was obvious to me that Allah was a true God and I had is not only just a spiritual affinity to Islam but I felt it was a riot religion because it was followed by the people I look to the more which were my family but by the time I reach university I was well on my way to understanding Islam I devoured books that question the unquestionable you know I was writing to scholars and it was time for me to really solve submit myself to God I was still a student I was thirsty to learn and I was like I said I was always encouraged by my father to ask questions because through questions and answers and knowledge every time I sort of looked and looked for answers and devoured books and and I just try to seek answers I found that although these books and answers were fascinating for my young mind I also had a narrow dubiousness of sources up that were quoted always seemed unreliable there was lots of statements that were unfounded and even the historical evidence that was backing up the Quran was only backed up by the Quran there was no external historical evidence and this sort of left me feeling quite uncomfortable in my heart but I didn't sort of question any further I just saw lived with that uncomfortability so as I was going through so the process of evaluating all of these claims and trying to get closer to Allah I was sidetracked by marriage and so I was married at the I'm married at the age of 19 against the wishes of my family which is quite bizarre and there wasn't an arranged marriage yet well I was married to a Western traditional Muslim man also from England and I say Western traditional because he was born raised and educated here in this country but he chose to be modern when it suited him untraditional when he wanted to F or enforce his authority over me and it was a really bizarre way to live your life because he wanted to have a modern wife when he fell but then at the same time he constantly wanted to show his authority over me by telling me that you know I was his subordinate he was you know he had control over me no I wasn't allowed to leave the house without his permission and if I was to leave the house I had to have a chaperone go with me so there was lots of things that were they were they were odd you know they didn't marry one another so which is B which a sniff attea ethnicity was he from was he like from the Middle East or was just from the West and converted to Islam no he was a Pakistani he was a company so I I learned how to pray now obviously didn't know how to pray when I was living under my father's house although now that I was married I had to learn how to pray and I was pushed into something backward dogmas associated with Islam through the bullying and subjugation I was studying second year law and due to the cultural pressures I was forced to leave the world of academia and put my apron on instead I certainly was not an equal in my life and I was told that among a woman's role was to serve her husband and through pleasing him I would please Allah and into heaven and you know there is I believe there is a hadith actually says no woman has fulfilled her obligation to her Lord is she until she has revealed her obligation to her husband oh absolutely so I quickly resigned to being a doting wife and I stopped questioning his son because they just seemed to cause months of discourse and family feud with my backward in-laws and my husband and I ended up just taking on many of the traditions of Islam and because I felt as I had no voice and I had nowhere to turn to because everywhere that I turned I was being told the same things that I was but I was being told by my in-laws and my husband and my family didn't want to know me anymore for the zombicide married without their wishes so they'd kind of turn their back on me anyway Wow even though you married a Muslim man absolutely even though I married a Muslim and they turned their back on me because they really did feel that I was making mistake and to be fair I should have probably listened to them but I know Christ was working in my life so whatever happened with my husband this was all Christ working in my life of bring drawing me closer to him my husband was diagnosed with multiple sclerosis a year into my marriage so I spent my time looking after him not because I looked him because I loved Ella and I believed through my good deeds I would gain his pleasure and gain heaven because as you know Islam is all about works so my husband was unbelievably unloving and unkind he was cold he never duplicated the high esteem I held him in him in in fact he he reveled in controlling me through the Islamic culture that he'd inherited and I inherited because 99% of Muslims are born into the religion blindly they born into that religion and that's a religion of their forefathers and they will keep that going and also I was absolutely undeserving of his love and I was on deserving of being a pastor and by his words I was unlovable and these words would really echo in my mind and gave me more and more vigor to prove to him that I was kind generous loving person and I now realized that that was just a ploy for him to rob me of my good nature and to control me and no matter how much I turned to the crumb for comfort and rest by I would only find things that would confirm his treatment of me women unfortunately are not equals in Islam they really are the property of their husbands and each time I retaliate and unquestioned his treatment the reply was but I can marry four times if you don't listen to me and you will be in the Hellfire like the majority of women and you know that there are verses that we can go into that that that explain why he said this and why he actually felt this and why I believed it as well because this is in the Islamic scriptures so he raped me um many times but he justified it because in the Quran it says in surah - 223 your wives are places of sowing of sowing seeds will you succumb to your place would close to the cultivation however you think you know women have chattel belonging to their husbands not to be low but to be used you know I think that's something in that one of the hadith I think where it says that if he called you to his bag and if she refuses the angel will cursor into them into the morning you know which woman wants to have be cursed by angels but if the Islamic scriptures are saying that as a Muslim woman the only thing that you know is all Islamic scriptures and your communities I'm telling you the same thing and you're going to believe that so I was financially controlled a little contact with my own family and friends and my life was literally to serve and obey my husband and that's exactly what I love prescribes for women once they married and I was sickened by all of this but I was I was too afraid to admit how wrong it was because of the aftermath and the chastisement we didn't you stomach faith founded family and the community I was reaching out to Allah for help it never came you know I would talk aloud the same as I as I talk to Jesus now I suppose but nothing ever came back my words of support being spoken Boyd and I didn't love me he left me because my abuser had aged into my heart and mind that I was ugly unworthy and most of all unlovable and that was etched in my mind I mean I think this is so important for us to understand that the emotional carnage that Islam causes to women is is almost beyond repair only Christ can repair that and I think this is something that we could work with you're going to see as my testimony evolves and I I examined Lee came to a point in my life where I could see no way out of this Groundhog Day help you know either I had to kill him or I had to take my own life it was I was deeply deeply sad and angry at my pathetic self for allowing myself and my kindness to be abused but most of all I was ashamed of thinking that you know this was an OK way to live just because my culture and my religion told me it was ok inside there was something in me that but told me it was wrong by I ignored that voice and I suppressed it but I knew something had to change the came a point where I realized something had to change and I looked at my innocent children and three young children and they gave me hope and a courage which helped me leave my Islamic husband after 12 years of emotional and physical abuse and like I said before I now believe that my past experience was all a road in the construction to the true law I decided to leave my husband so I left my husband after 12 years of mine I left my phone because we were only married on a cloth we were married in the English law which meant that I left with nothing I had my own business he controlled all the money financially okay I know women always there well Islam amongst me amongst appears women it gives women the right to keep their own wealth and to keep their own finances or have their own property of course Islam gives you that that the lovely gift but what it doesn't tell you is isn't also says that your husbands have rights over you so if your husband tells you you can't spend that money or you need to spend that money on your children or on the household you have no right to say no you know so these are things that women don't think of so when I left my husband I left with 72 pounds in my pocket which is probably the equivalent to $50 three young children my youngest daughter was two years old I have nothing I literally have nothing all I knew was I had to get out and and I left and I don't know how things worked out right but I know Christ had his hand on me even then you know as a Muslim I knew I know Christ was working in my life so one of my Christian friends he'd often have deep discussions too with me about religion and we discuss of Hitchens and Dawkins cuz I was so becoming this angry woman and I was becoming angry at God and I want you to you know I was almost thinking well should I become an atheist but there was something inside me where I I felt well no I I think there is a God you know there has to be something because when I looked at creation I just felt there was a real benevolence of somebody a creator out there I kind of thought it can't be Allah because why would Allah not listen to me you know so after 12 years I really felt that my my personal development was halted you know I wasn't learning anymore my husband wouldn't let meet me you go to university anymore I wasn't allowed to read books I wasn't allowed to do anything really my job was now to have children cook clean and look after him and his family and to be a good wife and so now I was out starting to learn again and I signed to question things again I was trying to read again and me and his friend we started to look up evolution and I'm Francis Collins and then genetics and you know all of these different things and then we came on to the subject of Islam and Islam versus bestiality so my friend taught me lots of things about Christianity which really opened my mind to many of the misconceptions that I had and I think there are many of the say misconceptions which which Muslims have such as the Bible's being changed you know that old chestnut so we would debate you know about the two religions I would defend Islam even though I it was unfair and unkind you know my defense was always well my family never believed in the vision of Islam that you're talking about that's a different version you know that's that's a heretical vision that's an extremist version that you're talking about you know my family were peaceful they didn't believe in the barbaric traditions of Muhammad and then he came to me and he told me about the age of Aisha and when she got married and when my friend pointed this out to me I couldn't reconcile I just found that absolutely abhorrent being a mother myself of the door of a young daughter I just couldn't see how a 50 year old man would be able to justify in his heart that it was okay for him to not use Marie but consummated his marriage with a child and this isn't just any man this is a man that finally Allah has sent to this world as a last and final messenger the perfect messenger you know Allah he's you know God is supposed to be all-knowing he knows a beginning to the end surely an all-knowing God would know that in today's day and age that would be frowned upon so and this is something I just couldn't reconcile so when we sat and compared Jesus to Muhammad I soon realized that Jesus really was perfect and sinless unlike Muhammad but I saw that each night defending Islam and my friend would come back each day with new arguments you know he will he didn't know a great deal about his son but all of us suddenly you know he was learning from YouTube videos by David Wood and Nabeel Qureshi and you know thank God for them because if it wasn't for them telling the truth I mean some people say that but that's David woods videos are quite harsh and but if it wasn't for those harsh truthful on his videos I may not have been able to see the truth because my Christian friend may not have been able to equip himself with the actual not true knowledge of Islam so one of my big biggest arguments at the time was that the Quran was pristine without contradiction it was full of scientific miracles you know I laugh when I say these things now but my friend quickly respond responded and left me realizing that the crown was not a book of science at all and we talked about the Prophet Muhammad and again compared his giant life to gee and soon it just became so apparent to me that Mohammed was just a mere man who said poor standards for his believers you know he married a six year old girl he killed him war this was something I just couldn't come to terms with then you know how could a pious prophet do all of these things you know on the other hand we had Jesus who's flawless even is perfection his character is humility he was loved he was kindness he was a miraculous Savior he said the perfect example for humankind and even in Islam Jesus known as ISA was perfect there was nothing bad about it you know he was even in the Quran he was he was deemed as being similar sleeper effect and I it just really got me thinking you know and unknown to me at that time he was the light and he was the Lord so my friend a quick Moo is one of the most valuable tools I've ever ever been given in my life he told me to stop lying to myself and to be honest with what was right and if I wanted to know the truth to just ask the real God to show show me who he was and it was the best pieces advice that so anybody ever gave me because it was 12 months later got this advice I actually took this advice so I was fed up with my life I was feeling so alone someone loved by him even by God and I was raising three young children which is a mammoth task and doing it while feeling that God doesn't love you is even more difficult and nor family I was depressed I was at my lowest I was dealing with the emotional turmoil attached Islamic divorce I was having to go through a child litigation in core our self representing I was struggling financially for the point of total breakdown my family were unsupportive there were nowhere to be seen I was having to access food banks because I had no money I was trying to get my mice lamech divorce but my husband wouldn't give me a divorce so I had to go and apply for a dog divorce to the Islamic councils and that's called a hula and they were they weren't very happy with me at all they wanted me to actually go back to my abuser and this was very problematic for me stop right here for a second I want to emphasize that you're talking about real law court in England not outside of England that's right so in England there are Sharia law there are Sharia councils special reports yeah absolutely now they legislate on family law that's all they legislate on and this is how Islam will slowly slowly creep into the West they will begin by legislating on small things oh it's only family law only things up that matter to us it won't impinge on your laws but this is the problem when you have a two-tier legal system in your country all of a sudden the people are adhering to those Islamic laws become subjugated as a woman I could only turn to you semi councils I have no respite in the in the easily English legal system at all they were not listening to you if you go there for this kind of case no because I was not legally married in Islamic law because my husband only married me in Islamic law and you will find a lot of Muslim men will only marry under Islamic law and not under English law there is a law there is a lot of history and they're capitalizing on it absolutely and the men know this and this is why they do and because they know that they can use this to control their wives so I was going through all of this I was alone and I was absolutely rock bottom when I was calling these Sharia calls and telling them that my husband had abused me he'd abused my children I had been raped and all of these things they told me this was not a sufficient reason to get to apply for a divorce and I was to go back to my husband and if I didn't I would be in the Hellfire this is what these men would tell me so as you can imagine this was it was devastating it was heartbreaking so I was at my rock-bottom limit I began reason resenting Allah and I became very very angry at Allah as well you know I was because I was so tired of doing gold and receiving not even an ounce of comfort in return and I was constantly being told by my family by my by my friends by people in the community I'll not test those who he loves you know you are well loved unless testing you because you are well loved it was funny because I never felt loved at all you know so one day I was sat in my bed and I remember crying crying out to a point where you know I couldn't even breathe I was crying that much I was at the end completely at the end rock bottom and I just asked God listen what more do I have to do to be good what more do I have to do to be loved you know take away my burdens take away my pains you know I'm pleading with you now you know show me who you are whoever you are I don't care who you are whether you're the God of Islam whether you've got of Christianity whether you're Buddha you know I don't care which God you are whoever you are show me just show me who you are even if the truth will upset me and turn me away from my friends and my family I don't care I need to know the truth because I had a thirst for the truth and I said whoever you are whatever puffs you paid for me I will follow it I will close my eyes and I will follow it and I will divorce everything I've ever known I fell asleep with us with swollen eyes a heavy heart and the thought that God was angry with me I'm full of hate and that my life was burdened with troubles and heartache because Allah didn't love me you know I read the Bible as a Muslim but to be honest they were just empty words on a page that made no sense the following morning I woke up and I downloaded a Bible app on my phone and I tapped on to my Bible app and I opened the book of Job and I read that book and it made absolute sense to me my heart was light I understood what I was reading it all made perfect sense to me as I was reading it I was instinctively crying out Jesus that is you and I was laughing with joy you know if anyone was looking at me they would they would have thought I was mad but what happened to me without a doubt was the most beautiful experience in all my life my mind had been completely cleared and freed from my disturbing and restless thoughts of depression the insecurities the pain the rejection the hopelessness the anger it was already placed by deep peace I'd never felt before and now I understand that that was the peace of God and now I understood why I was like to be to be loved I'd never felt that feeling before ever ever and it was just something that was just so it was it was so beautiful it just overtook me the beds were made the dishes were unwashed you know the children was still walking around in their pajamas but I kept reading because what I was reading was giving me hope I was understanding it I understood that the Lord was love and I understood that Jesus is our Savior it was just unbelievable you know I spent the whole day reading the Bible the beds were made you know like I said the dishes were piled high but I realized how truth really can be hidden from us when our hearts are hard and unwilling to understand and you know even if you feel that you are in the truth if you as if there are Muslims listening today I want to ask you a question if you are so convinced that you have the truth on your side why don't you seek the true God why don't you ask for the truth to be revealed to you if you are so convinced that you are following the true religion and I will reveal himself to you you your position will never change but maybe just maybe you're not following the true God maybe you should ask the question that I ask God and maybe just maybe the truth will be revealed to you so I had still had lots of questions despite my joy I had lots of questions I I started texting this friend of mine by the time he'd responded I'd already worked out a lot of the answers by just reading the Bible and a lot of the questions were you know how can Christ actually don't be God you know is he God is he just a prophet you know was a fiber corrupt you know all the same things that the Muslims the arguments of the Muslims Muslims gave you know could God really be the one God with three elements to him and this can't make sense how could Jesus be the biological son of God in outside reading things on the internet they confused me so I went back to the Bible and before I knew it I understood the next day this friend of mine decided to take me to the local evangelical church and that church deacon said that I had the Holy Spirit in me that I'd had an experience and I wasn't sure about that I just thought okay whatever all I knew was I was at home I was at home the hymn that they were singing they were speaking to me the sermon that was being told that day was about Jonah being in the belly of the whale and I fell but that sermon was speaking directly to me because I was angry at God you know and it was really resonating with me and I kept saying to my friend did you tell these people that I was coming every hymn is speaking to me that sermon is like as though it's speaking directly to me my friend told me no nobody knows that you were coming honestly this you know this is just a normal service and one of the things out that that frightened him was to take me that sure it was he felt that I would find the people that odd because they always speak in tongues and I go to that church regularly and since I've been going they always speak in tongues that was the first time ever nobody spoke in tongues at all and you know I remember asking the pastor a question I called it a stupid question I said Nick listen I've been a good person all my life you know if I died would I still get to heaven even if I believed in Allah I've done lots of good things you know I've been a really good mother I've been a good daughter I've been a good wife I've been a really good person and I still get into heaven and goodness he didn't water down God's Word oh I wasn't saved I mean okay I don't know I or having some technical difficulties can can you guys let me know if you are at least able to listen to me give me a thumbs up at least but if I'm right please give me more so you want your your cut off just for a second when you're saying you asked a pastor a question and and that part was cut off yes okay so I asked the question I I said it was a stupid question I said look I've always been a good person all my life I've never done anything bad you're not being a good mother daughter I've done lots of good things in my life can I still get to heaven as a Muslim a nun thank goodness he told me the truth he said no Jesus is the way the truth and the life you need Christ you need to repent of your sins and you need to accept Jesus Christ into your heart and I'm so glad that he told me that because I left that church is a Christian I left that church believing that Jesus Christ was Lord and that I couldn't play emotional or mental gymnastics and think well okay I believe this but I can still be good and do this I left as a Christian that was my that was me putting my seal saying Christ I am yours now I am yours so after that I mean I researched a lot I prayed a lot on countless occasions I cried out Almighty ruler of heaven and earth you know if I'm wrong please guide me back to Islam but if I'm right give me the confidence in my in my faith in Jesus Christ and time after time Jesus gave me the answers that I needed he put the right people in my path and he began opening doors which only a few weeks ago had never existed you know the Lord he works in great and mysterious ways and it's not easy to take a precarious road from one phase to another especially Islam to Christianity and often you know we journey in secret and without any companions and even sometimes when God seen seems far it's a road where you treat everyone with suspicion and after all you know the wrong decision could lead to eternal damnation but I now know that I have come through to the other side and you know I continue my daily pilgrimage towards Christ and I know that turning back is absolutely not an option and I have literally got to divorce my old life my old friends many mums members of my family are either now in the past and I still have a relationship with some members of my family but it's very awkward a very strained but I will always choose Christ over even my own mother and father who I love daily inflate prayer that they come tell it to the faithful before it's too late but I can truly say and when I look back now I Islam with confidence with certainty and clarity that Islam is not a religion from the Almighty the Koran is just a book Mohammed was just a man we twisted morals I no longer fear Allah because I know Allah doesn't exist there's only one Christ and Christ alone and it who really humbles me to know that our Lord our Savior said himself to save us as a microp us who live on this microscopic my new part of this universe who are full of so much thing but yet he came for me he came for you we don't need Mohammed we don't need to cry out to a god that doesn't doesn't answer prayer we don't need to do works we are saved by the grace of Jesus Christ and this is this is a main part of my Christian as a comparison I was born in him I would I was broken and I was unmoved Allah never came he never he never answered but Jesus did he came when I was diminished he came when I was lost he came when I was broken he claimed when I was involved and he gave me all of those things that I needed you replaced what the locusts are they away I now have the Living God abiding in me and when I look back at my very short journey and I share with you I all I can say is that he's been faithful he's been forgiven and he is he's being sought loving you know he's weaved his way in my life in so many different ways from feeling totally worthless and unloved you know Jesus looked me up and he warmed my frozen heart he gave me true love he taught me how to love unconditionally and is he who's changed my heart not me you know I was being made homeless you know I was having to access food banks but I put my trust in him to look after me and my children and he has he's looked after me and my children and he's he's opened so many doors for me I have my own ministry now where I I'm helping ex-muslims here in England I don't know it's like where you are but here in England X Muslims are still having to live in the closet which is obviously a frightening thing because we live you know we live in the 20th century there's an assumption that we live in in a country where were protected by rule of law of course we are but Muslims who leaving Islam still cannot come out and openly say that we are now rejecting Islam and we have come to to Christ because that's probably one of the worst things that a Muslim can do is to really reject Islam and then come to Christ I have a Muslim friend who lives in the north-east and only just before Ramadan started he sent me a message saying look I need help you know you're the only X Muslim that I know who I can reach out to he's a husband he has a wife he has children he lives with his family he can't leave all of that I left all of that Jesus gave me a way out he gave me strength but there are still having to live in the closet and leave double lives how horrible is that how horrible is that as a Christian if a Christian was to leave ok you can leave what are the repercussions you're not gonna be liked for a short while people are gonna call you back to the faith people are still gonna love you but in Islam what are the repercussions let me tell you other repercussions are the repercussions if I was living in Saudi Arabia on the Islamic law I would be dead that's what the repercussions are these are the very real repercussions are we are dealing with is only because I'm living in this country that I'm protected by rule of law even then I have to be careful I won't openly go out in my community and undeclared to people up this is who I am and this is because I'm afraid for my life I'm afraid for my children's life hallelujah you know is my life perfect now that I've come to Christ absolutely not I still have the same problems but I have a mighty God that walks by me every me and he's with me when I'm enough with me he walks with me and I can glorify him and I can turn to him and know that he will answer me because he loves me yep Amen that's an amazing testimony thank you so much of course for sharing at least this part I know you probably we have even longer than that but I mean I just want to share this comment I don't know if you can see it can you see the comment in front of you so this is just something I want to bless you with I mean people are paying attention to what you're saying and they are blessed by it so and indeed it is a blessing no doubt about that so there are some questions that were asked here for some reason I'm unable to see the comments by the way from Facebook so I'm a toggle back and forth if I can but there were a couple of interesting questions here let me see if I can come across them and while while I'm doing this I want to ask you you know so tell us a little bit more about the I mean I'm familiar with the Quran only of course movement some people do not please share a little bit more about the Quran only and how did your parents and how did you and even those in your immediate sphere who follow the Quran only could survive the constant attack from mainstream Muslims okay so the Quran only approach is basically you only look to the Quran for all your guidance now my family there were not particularly religious life in my father when he came from Pakistan he decided to take home British norms and values and he decided to integrate and assimilate so his religion was secondary so I think it was easy for him to just to look at the Quran but in the community he was frowned upon many people in the community actually said that he wasn't even a Muslim but he was revered and well respected because he was a well-established business month and for that reason he still held happy he was still held in high esteem within the community and but as far as the hadith is concerned my father he wasn't learning money was quite well read and when he read the hadith from his own logic he couldn't reconcile normal morals you know normal the normal moral law that we all live by he couldn't reconcile that with with a lot of the things that were coming out of the hadith so he kind of felt well okay let's leave that to one side I always said that my father he was an ala carte Muslim because even in the Quran he would only pick and choose all the bits that were peaceful and nice and he would ignore all the bad stuff in there because let's be honest his lot bad things in the Koran you know you and I more than anybody else but he would only he would only cherry-pick the things that were peaceful and that he liked I'm not really unfortunately isn't a true Muslim unfortunately that's the truth yeah yeah so I have a comment from someone please don't take things personal we have some lost people in here here's one of them who is kind of funny by the way he calls himself the truth seeker don't let the name fool you he is a troll okay you know what a troll is okay so so gonna put his comment here because we want to entertain everybody so he's saying your claims he approved nothing many non-muslims are led to Islam by positive spiritual experience could you speak into those who are led to Islam especially from a female side of side of you well look uh ultimately people can believe whatever they want to believe okay but there is only one truth and the real truth will be revealed to those who have pure who have a pure heart spiritual experiences can be announced to be denounced by anyone but if you were to actually do a real intellectual study of the Quran and the Bible let's forget about spiritual experiences for a moment an intellectual study of the Bible and the crown with an open mind you have to have an open mind and study them both you will find that the Quran is full of contradictions is full of Bach backward dogmas is full of things that you cannot reconcile however the Bible it's there's no contradictions in it and also you've got historical evidences which will back up and support the the Bible the Quran where are the historical evidences in the Quran the Quran is actually a self referencing book because the Quran historically elevates himself itself through his own evidences there's nothing external that that will compound the Quran or will point to the crown as it being authentic and it's the same for the hadith so you know you can talk about people join a sample cause of spiritual experiences they're not the right spiritual experiences it's great they won't like which is Christ and the other ones darkness so maybe they're having a spiritual experience which is from the other side unfortunately brother now the stroke as the Bible teaches that even Satan can masquerade as a an angel of light so I mean sometimes people really undermined and underestimate the power of darkness you know you have demonic powers and if you're not really seeking the truth you may not be able to distinguish between what is right and what is wrong that's why you know praying is important asking God to guide you with the sincere heart and the Holy Spirit definitely can do the work as he did with you and with all of us so let me share another question I think this is a good question really for both of us to interact with I'm going to start with you first can you see that question a question is is it effective to be directly and sometimes harsh when you speak about Islam I mean there are so many debates about this there's so many like some people like CP Christian print some people do not like him some people would like Sam shamone some guy some people do not like his approach sometimes some people like David Wood and so what do you say about that I mean as a seeker any of these approaches maybe were helpful to you okay I'm going to be brutally honest now when when I was seeking and my friend would watch David Wood Woods videos and then we would watch them together as a Muslim David would absolutely infuriated me he made me really angry but I'm glad he did because he stood within me a passion to actually find out what the truth was because I was hell bent then on saying right I'm going to prove him wrong and then that made me go back and look at my scriptures because you're after his done a lot of Muslims don't actually know what's within their own scriptures their cultural Muslims that actually forced me to go back to my scriptures and to actually look into it deeply and when I did that all it did was confirm David Wood and what he was saying so really it helped me and somebody else has actually said this to me that you know we have those Christians you know we have to be loving and sometimes it can be quite hard here we come across saying these things but unfortunately the truth often can be difficult you know I would rather hurt somebody with the truth and comfort them with the lie because ultimately this is it this is eternal talking about eternal issues here we're not talking about oh you know you don't look nice today that doesn't suit you today these are eternal issues these are things to do with your salvation and it's not just about today on tomorrow this is eternity that we're talking about so if it means now we have to speak the truth and the truth is hurtful you can still say that in love you know you can still say in love you name the end of the facts are still say you know I ask you look you sister still love your brother and I'm telling you these things because I love you but we have to speak in truth and I think that is so important as Christians that we do tell the truth because it's I think many Christians feel like they they shouldn't be saying certain things because it might be hurtful it might hurt their feelings I don't think that's the right approach if that if that approach was taken with me I would probably still be stuck in Islam so praise God that that Christian was honest with me that we do not want to be harsh for the sake of mocking we want to be harsh with the truth you know the truth definitely is gonna be harsh as long as we're really seeking to share facts with people now I mean here's what I say to people usually and please you know interject your thoughts I mean I tell people if you want to go on witnessed or Muslim I mean I don't see a reason why you should start with the harsh truth we need to focus on sin and salvation and along the way things will come up and discussion will lead into sharing harsh truth but I don't want to start with fighting with them because that may close the door absolutely nothing that's very very important because ultimately you should always try and start on the premise of a friendship because once you have that friendship that's when the conversation is open that's when you can converse with somebody if you start on a premise of saying lots of horrible things immediately you're going to close that conversation down and once you've closed that conversation down you're not going to be able to witness to them anymore I think you have to it is very very difficult but if you can if you can build some kind of friendship or some kind of common ground or some kind of platform where you can converse in truth with one another and say look you know I still love you but you know we need to have these conversations because this is what me and my Christian branded you know I knew that he was my friend I knew he had good intentions I knew he wasn't saying these things to hurt me personally we were having an intellectual debate about two religions and it just so happened that you know else we were debating lots of horrible things are coming out in this debate but they were truthful things and you know ultimately new Jesus says the truth shall set you free and that is very very important because truth gives freedom and if I wasn't told the truth I was still be stuck in those shackles of ISA that's right there is another important question here and I think you as a female can definitely give a powerful respond to it so here's a question in front of you the gentleman is saying he's a Christian and he has a Muslim girlfriend and obviously this is causing problem as expected I mean it happens all the time whether you are a female Christian dating a Muslim man or vice versa what would you like to advise this person okay this is I've been asked this a few times actually so when you converse with your Muslim girlfriend I'm pretty sure that she's going to come back and she's going to say well in Islam I'm given lots of rights as a woman I think it's important in love and you have to tread very carefully when you do this you have to highlight the lack of freedoms Islam gives to a woman so things like I mean don't go into this straight way but things like you know the husband is allowed to beat his wife you know that's maybe she doesn't know these things I didn't know these things until somebody pointed these out to me you know Mohammed said you know women are going to be the main dwellers within the Hellfire because of their own gratefulness to their husbands women are of deficient mind to two witnesses are needed if they're if they're a woman over one man you know these are all things that maybe she doesn't know maybe you need to start you know bringing bringing out these these items of discussion with her about how women are actually treated truly under Islam not under her version of Islam her cultural aspect version of Islam not under this time that she's grown up with which may not be the truism you need to bring scripture to her and tell her in truth and maybe do a comparison of what Jesus says in the same instance now in surah I think it's surah al Nisa where it says men are the protectors of maintainer of women but they are superior to women exactly chapter 4 verse 34 exactly there you go they're superior to women you know you need to highlight these things that and if the testimony about women says bring two witnesses from among your men should there not be two men bring a man and two women so half of the testimony you know to me why two women I thought we were equal I thought men and women were equal under Islam clearly they're not you know so highlight these issues I'm sure sure sure this girl that you know that there is no freedums in his comfort for women women subjugate and it's not subjugate women if sam takes away freedoms from women i as a mother under Islam was having to give up my seven-year-old son to my husband under Sharia law under Islam because he felt that I was not going to bring up my children correctly under the Islamic faith so how is that night how is that fair for women you know these are things that I think you really knew you need to approach when it comes to speaking to her and it's not going to be easy conversation you have to do it carefully but you have to do it honestly that's true and you know if I may add your sister excellent answer of course even though she's she's the female in the in the equation here in relationship still Islam has the sense of superiority so she will be the one who's gonna try to force Islam on him not the other way around and even right now she may tell him anything he wants to hear and I'm sorry for being by the way blunt brother I just want to be fair to you you know light has nothing to do with darkness and I'm so sorry to be blunt we're talking about harsh you know reality house truth this is one of those by the way she may tell you whatever you want to hear and she may even wait until you have a child when you're really stuck now and then you'll begin to see how Islam will start to Trump over it is not entirely up to her by the way that Imam will get involved her family will get involved so it's not entirely up to her so she herself will find herself in a tough position anyway now here is the interesting thing dear sister I mean I grew up in in Saudi Arabia as you know that's where I was born and raised and I've always always believed that a Muslim man can marry a Christian or a Jew and you are discouraged from Marian let's say an infidel but you are superior to them anyway and the goal is to convert him but I've always also taught that a Christian woman I mean a Muslim woman cannot marry a Christian man or a Jewish man yet the reality is there isn't such prohibition in the Koran period it doesn't even exist which is a testimony to the fact that Islam is a man-made religion altogether absolutely that's a very very good point and since we're talking about Saudi Arabia there is something else that I would like to share us because I did the Hajj in Saudi Arabia try it well maybe this is something that this Christian brother can share with his Muslim girlfriend as well so as you know Saudi Arabia the Mecca Medina probably the most sacred place is known to to Muslims their place of sanctuary and safety whilst I was in the the actual mosque the Haram Sharif and it was a call to prayer everyone goes to pray you know you can't look hope you can't Quran everyone's praying there was no way for me to pray and then this God oh shoot me over and he kind of pointed towards his chair and he you can pray here so I thought well that's very kind of him very nice gentleman I can pray on his chair as I was praying and as I bent down to to do my my ruku and as I go I felt somebody groping me from behind and I was being sexually assaulted whilst I was praying my a certain amaz but I want to just affirm what you just said I new male friends who would go to the Hajj just for purposes like this so you're not sharing anything that is not realistic yeah so this is you know these are the things that happen in in the most sacred place known to to Muslim men but furthermore with Muslim women are told to cast a garment over them to be modest you know men as men are men at all to lower their gaze but Muslim women are also told that you know they need to dress modestly because or not to attract themselves and not to speak loudly they're not to you know to walk a certain way because it attracts attention now when I was in Hajj you'd be rest assured I was dressed appropriately I was dressed in the full black attire but yet I was still groped but yet I was still sexually assaulted not once but twice on two different occasions whilst I was in Saudi Arabia now how can anybody tell me that this is a religion which sanctifies respects and elevates women it clearly isn't because this is not just a story of isolation this has happened to many women if you take the internet now there are blocks of women where there they've actually they're actually sharing their stories anonymously now whilst this I was going through this in my mind I was thinking right what do I do - I screamed rice but I turn around I confront this man but immediately I I read out the consequences what would happen to me as a woman with no witnesses who is claiming that she has just been sexually assaulted exactly exactly you'll be a minority and they're not gonna even believe a word you're saying in fact he he will make the claims like hey it's it's crowded I mean I didn't do anything you know and everybody will be on his side saying he's right it's crowded you should be in a woman's section why are you here I mean up trust me you know we know exactly how these games are played sadly but um you know this is your life in any I mean I understand you you're a broad and I understand that you are a believer in Christ and I understand that there is freedom where you add but do you feel that your life is still in any kind of danger even though you live in an environment that should allow a democracy and freedom yes that's a short answer yes I cannot publicly come out and quite happily in my immediate community and say I'm a Christian I've turned away from from Islam and this is what I believe now because ultimately when I I left Islam it was I mean it's been seven seven years now since I've left and it's only now that I've gained the courage to be able to come out and speak more about my faith and to actually do more open work within the community but the community completely it completely alienated themselves from me and when when I walked away from Islam and that was without me even saying that I was a Christian they could see outwardly I was no longer a Muslim because I wasn't wearing a headscarf anymore I wasn't going to Moscow wasn't fasting I wasn't doing any of these things you know I was almost like a weirwood woman within the community and sort of two years ago I started holding Bible classes in my in my home and it was one swimmers evening and we left the window open I'm bearing a man I lived in a in a heavily populated Muslim area where I could even hear the call to prayer from my bedroom window and whilst we were doing this Bible study the following day I would have rubbish all over my driveway my bin bags had been emptied all over my driveway my car had been scratched a dead mouse being left on my front doorstep so it's not it's not something that you can do openly there's are there are lots of that X Muslims who I know that live in secret they live double lives so they at the moment they're fasting they will celebrate Eid they will go to most but yet in their hearts they don't believe in Islam they believe in Christianity and this is this is tragic because I am living in a western country where I am supposed to be protected by by the rule of law and have these freedoms and and democracy but the truth is we're not we are not protected and this is why I do what I do when I'm trying to highlight and the the flag of X Muslims within the UK and try and give them not safe spaces why should we have a safe space why should we be pushed into a safe safe space as ex-muslim christians we should be allowed to live our lives as everybody else if I want to go and do things in the community I should be allowed to do that still you know I should be allowed to go grocery shopping where I usually go and not feel that I'm not allowed to go there anymore because you know I'm going to run upon all somebody is going to attack me you know I have to say my children out of school because they were going to a school which was in the Asian community and I had to handle the moment I had moving to eight mine it was an eight mile round trip but I did not because I was an ex-muslim because I didn't feel safe any type of ministry you're involved in right now by the way that you like to share with with us maybe any wisdom and whether you focus on woman only whether you focus on Muslims in general any advice any wisdom you can share with us yeah so when I came to Christ I I made a promise to Christ that I would walk whatever path he set before me and he seems to be saying lots of different routes before me and I'm being obedient and walking them so I've set up a charity which is about four years old now where I feed the children within my bora and so we do 20,000 meals every year for four children and the main uptake are actually children from the Muslim community and we do this as Christians you know we shine a light for Christ and we we feed those estimates but we also feed them spiritually we try and reach out to them through faith in action I'm sorry is this charity and that is not just dealing with Muslims that is to deal with anyone in society that's broken because look let's have the let's have the be honest II did everyone needs Christ we're all broken absolutely everyone needs Christ so we reach out to the broken and but another ministry that I'm keen to get more involved in is the X Muslims and I was looking to actually launch an event at the House of Lords and in the next couple of months but because of the Corbitt that's obviously being halted now so that is something that I'm still going to be exploring and so we're going to be taking 12 stories for the House of Lords of the 12 apostates and sharing our journeys and what we have to go through the highlight what we live through and you know the fact that you know the government has to do more to help protect us and help us lead just normal lives does this surety have any name that you can share with people it does have a name but III don't want to share that because I absolutely yeah I'm gonna put a question for you a topic that been brought up many times and me and Jay addressed it at one point and he and her tune also addressed this before so I'm gonna put the question on the screen here do you have any opinions regarding this grooming gangs in the US so you mean the Muslim grooming gang that's right that's right yeah so this is something that is rife and it has been right for a long long time here in the UK and it's something that the government is is ignoring they don't want to call it out for what it is it is do too is that these are Muslims that are committing this crime it's not the Sikhs it's not the Hindus it is the Muslims that are committing these crimes and it is because these white young girls are not seen as theirs they're seen as meat and that's the truth because they are cutters at the end of the day the Koran tells them that they are the worst of creatures that they're unimportant and these men are actually going out looking for these young girls and raping them categorically one after the other after the other and there is nothing that is happening really in the UK where people have where these men are being held to account and all the reasons why they're not being held to account is because of racism you know the bridge government don't want to be called racist they don't want to be called out as racist and also they don't want to be called the Summa Forbes and because of that reason these young British girls are being raped categorically and until somebody is able to stand oh I'm actually saying look you know this enough is enough and there are you know there are political parties here in the UK now who are actually speaking up about this I mean the mainstream parties are not speaking up about this but there's a new party that's just being formed it's about three years old called for Britain and they're actually speaking about these these issues that the Muslim grooming gangs and they're actually highlighting that this is Islam this is these are Muslim issues and unless they are dealt with unless these people are reprimanded according to the one-wheel of law you know this is not going to go away but unfortunately what you will find in this country are not the same in America Muslims almost operate on a two-tier legal system it's almost like they don't abide by the same rule of law you know and the conversation is always closed down because people don't want to be the police authority don't want to get called racist and this is this is tragic because these young girls you know they're there be raped a village by these by these men so you know I like your questions beginning you said the Muslim grooming gang does that mean there is non Muslim grooming gangs that have the same issues that you're aware of not particularly no that doesn't mean that you know people over the communities don't rape of course you know rape is a horrible horrible act and exists within all communities but Islam actually condones these actions you know they're slaves what does he say about slaves you know men can take slaves they can take captives absolutely so why should these young men then not take these slaves and captives okay they're not dressed as they old school slaves as we remember you know as they were historically but these are modern-day slaves these are modern-day captives and it's a huge huge problem and I'm unless unless people start telling the truth about this and people are starting to speak up about this in in the UK they are starting to talk about Islam and the problems that exist within Islam but what you are finding is those people are now being being told that they're racist there's AMA Forbes and freedom of speech now slowly slowly slowly being closed down in this country that's interesting and pretty sad actually a question here probably ties back into the Sharia law courts are Muslim men allowed to have more than one wife of course okay in the UK well according to British law they are not allowed to have more than one wife but many Muslim men will marry under Sharia only so they will do niihka and they will have more than one wife they will have up to three they will have four wives they would they will have the limit I mean my ex my ex husband's uncle had two wives you know and he was claiming benefits for both wives and it was it was just an absolute hot pot of terrible things that were going on you know they were claiming benefits you know they were doing everything that they were supposed to be doing you know they had two different households running and both of them were provided by the state you know they have four children each that again they were being looked after by the state because of the stable providing them with extra benefits and this is right we didn't know within the Pakistani in the Muslim community this is not something else in her at all there is a question I mean I I don't wanna I mean it does have a political tone to it somebody saying would you recommend an ex-muslim move into Britain and let me broaden it up a little bit would you recommend an ex-muslim to move to Europe in general based on your experience I can speak for the US and I can say I don't see any problem of course I mean our rights are still protected but I cannot speak relief for Britain or the Europe I don't want to sound like I'm the expert and a go-to guy here okay well again I'm not I'm not the expert but what I can say is depending on where you're coming from if you are coming from the Middle East and of course the UK is definitely going to be a much safer place for you to come to if you were to go to somewhere maybe like Germany or France I personally wouldn't recommend that because there are lots of of Muslims that have already migrated there who are known to be some extra Hadi's and I really don't think that your life would be safe there as an ex-muslim I think the UK is probably still going to be your safest option again depending on where you're coming from thank you let me see if there is any other comments here there is a comment from Facebook at saying I heard that if a Muslim man rapes or does you know a sexual relationship with non-muslim girls it isn't a sin are you aware of any such thing as far as a crime is concerned let me answer it from a Quranic standpoint if you view the person as you alluded to it as what you right hand possess then it isn't a sin I mean it's condoned and approved by the teaching the highest authority in the Koran technically speaking but let's say it wasn't I mean obviously how can you justify that you have someone who is a slave unless if you admit that you did purchase that person just the way it's happening right now under these grooming gangs do they justify it as being what your right hand possess or how do they get around that no I don't think they they justify like that but they don't see anything wrong with it because culturally it's almost umbrella the young white girls are trash there they're worthless you know and women you know women are ultimately just views it viewed as sex objects by Muslim men even if you're a Muslim woman you are still viewed as a sexual object and especially a non believing woman a Crafton woman is even more so viewed as as an object of for your sexual desires so I mean one of the other things that I would like to add is it was a I think it was a hadith which we talked about when you sing if you sing Allah will cover your sins but if you then go out and proclaim your sins that's when your that's when your sins aren't going to be forgiven so a lot of Muslims when they when they say nice they do these things in choir and in closed doors and you know and there and they'd all go and brag about it they're going to get forgiven and if they're doing the Ramseys - sings and if they're praying there's five times in a month their sins are going to get forgiven you know if they've got major sing they're not so of course but if they're going to perform the Hajj and do that um run you know do all of these good works and ultimately you know Allah forgive their sins so that's why they don't see they don't see any any problem in doing these things yep you know what's so interesting as you were saying this about keeping a private everything in Islam is backward Jesus in his Sermon on the Mount chapters five six and seven of the Gospel of Matthew says you need to do your religious duties in private pray and in private fast and in private appealing to your father in heaven private don't make it announce to everybody and your sin basically need to be you know you need to technically speak and admit that you're a sinner and come to Christ and get baptized and so on and so in Islam's backward keep your sense secret you don't keep it to yourself you don't find your God will gonna cover it for you to you but announce that you're a righteous person publicly pray publicly ask publicly what is is the greatest cover-up in the history of mankind actually that's what it is it really is it really is and it's also I mean is Allah I would say the Quran is the most spectacularly misunderstood book in the whole of mankind but whenever you speak to Muslims they will tell you it's a perfect book no contradictions you know it has everything in there and yet it's full of backward dogmas it's contradictory it doesn't make sense even to read it even to read it it jumps from one thing to another and it doesn't make sense up is down black is white and unfortunately when people are born into that that faith they are really indoctrinated from birth I really believe that the the first victims of Islam are the Muslims you know and they they really else because when you are born into that faith there is no reason for you not to believe that because from the moment you are born you have the Shahada blown into your ears and you're bought with your parents believing reciting and actually thinking that everything that you are taught you don't need to read it you're taught this you don't need to read it lots of Muslims won't even go to that Quran they will learn through their Imams they will learn through their parents and they will learn things parrot fashion and it's tragic really because when that happens the brain is disengaged and the heart is just full of lies that's where it is a heart full of lies and it's full of darkness I'm one of the things that I would implore Muslims to do is please pick up your current study it read it read it and compare it to compare it to the Bible and you will be shown the truth when I started getting into the actual text of the Quran you know I'm not I'm not saying that I'm an intellect but just as an average woman I knew that there were real serious problems within the Quran and I could see that so pick up the Quran amen I know your pictures frozen for some reason can you still hear us okay so we still have the same technical issue we'll wait for a second here I'm gonna I want to address a question by I'm sorry you were frozen in your back now but there is a question by Pedro I'm trying to find his full name here I'm sorry Pedro you were asking a question about you said you have a friend who is a Muslim and she said that it's okay for her to lie and you wanted the chapter and the verse in the Quran that allows this I think you're talking about what we call the doctrine of takea to cover up basically the idea of hiding things or lying for the purpose of protecting Islam if that's what you're referring to and if that's what your friend is referring to then one of the many verses in the Quran that appeals to this doctrine or endorse it is chapter age verse 23 in the Quran chapter 8 verse 23 would be one of those there was a question here unfortunately we lost that question and I'm trying to remember forgive me there sister here any any final thoughts by the way that you want to share with us I know you like apologetics the way we get connected is through a mutual friend that we have this mutual friend is the one who witness to my wife actually before she came to Christ and and I'm definitely thankful for the dear brother in his ministry do you feel like you know apologetic is something that maybe in the future consider coming on the show and we can take a topic by topic is this something that is appealing to you I don't to put you in a spot I'm just extending an invitation because we're getting a lot of encouraging comments about people would like to see you again yeah apologetics is definitely something that um that is always interested interested me and when I I mean only recently you know it was a michigan school of apologetics and i would recommend not to anyone out there who's wanting to get into apologetics you know is it gives you sound a really sound foundation to really build upon and it is something that i would really like to get into i almost feel that i'm not maybe learning enough in the quran to be able to do apologetics however i've lived islam and that counts for something and that's a thing we want to I mean it's really not the head hit knowledge it's the practical knowledge so let's explore ways for you to come back there is a final question I'm gonna ask and then we'll close and it's Bart a dear brother here we thank him all the time for his participation he's asking an excellent question you can see it right here about the inheritance and a probate when it comes to Muslims living in the UK obviously I mean the fact that you're under Sharia law now everything changes everything changes absolutely everything changes I mean under under Sharia women don't get female children will not get the same as their male counterparts we know that under Sharia under you under the UK law if you're a Muslim you know we are subjected to the UK probate law however if there is a ship if there is a a winning place which is in accordance to Sharia that will take precedence that will be used in court in the probate court so for it for example if if my father was to pass away for example and he didn't have a will then his wealth would be subjected to UK probate law however as a Muslim you will find many Muslims will put some kind of writing together under under Sharia rules to ensure that their films get double okay it is really amazing how they still get away with stuff like that when when you have a you know a country that have a legal system it has a constitution and yet they look the other way sadly and not realizing that people can use these kind of loopholes I lied when I said it was the last question we have one of our amazing volunteers asking a question about did you I mean understand your Quran only but as part of your upbringing did you get exposed to this serie which is the biography of Muhammad his life did you come across the story about his marriage for instance to Ayesha before that or do others even if you consider yourself not to be that devout at that time do others get exposed to that kind of stuff who our Quran only I know well as I was growing up I wasn't really exposed to that at all and it was when anger married and because they did believe they weren't quranists they were Sunni Muslims that believed in the hadith as well and that's where my exposure start I started to get exposure about the Hadees and somebody did actually give me a book which was a serie of the Prophet Mohammed but I couldn't read it you know I started reading it and I just felt it was just within me it just it didn't sit right with me because I said I guess I was still I was still a Quran is Muslim and I know you know still confounded by what my parents had taught me but generally Muslims as they are growing up the Prophet is highly revered almost more than Allah you know the Prophet you know here in this country the prophets birthday is celebrated every year you know you we have celebrations in the street where the prophets birthday celebrated and the Prophet is revered even highly then Allah I mean if somebody was to say something bad about the Prophet you would be in big trouble big big trouble because he's so so as young children when my son was going to mosque he certainly was learning about the life of Prophet you know how he dressed you know the way he was you know how he ate you know how he prayed you know my son would come home from from mosque and he would say you know mom you're not allowed to listen to music why cuz Mohammad said so in the hadith you know and he would quote Hadees to me Mommy when you are entering the bathroom do you know you need to enter with this specific foot and say this specific specific prayer and this is yeah this was a young boy telling me in the UK mosques you know to you very very young children even are going here going to mosque in from the age of four if not younger sometimes so you can imagine the indoctrination that they are suffering and and there and the education that they that they are given about Mohammed and everything is justified they are told how old I was when she got my but everything is justified and that's why when they grow up they then have argument saying well that was okay at that time you know though that was no problem but what we need to do is we need to teach people up you know you need to have an open mind and you need to ask questions and you need to do research for yourself amen and we have a person and then I'm going to take the privilege of answering this question as we expected of course you know our Muslim friends love basically to come up with the most stupid and dumb excuses ever you know and I'm sorry to be harsh here and here is an example of that she doesn't know basic Islam okay let me give you basic Islam my friend the first pillar you have to believe in Allah and equate a man by the name Mohammed next to him that side Allah tree number two you have to pray towards a rock that has a black stone in it that's idolatry okay number three you have to give charity only to Muslim causes you are not to support other causes but yet you claim Islam is a religion of peace and mercy okay that's a joke right there and then you have fasting when people really all they do is if they cannot fast during the month you pay somebody to fast in your behalf and you earn righteousness based on what you have done yet you deny what Jesus have done for you on the cross by getting his righteousness and then you go and perform the pilgrimage that's the fifth pillar and you've heard what happens to women in the holiest of places does that answer your question about the basics I hope so okay dear sister will thank you so much we can have you for at least you know another hour I mean I can see everybody's excitement here but obviously want to be respectful to your time and everybody's time so with that says we want to extend an invitation to you to hopefully join us again to talk about practical ways you've been exposed to when people witness into you and now things that you are also dealing with when reaching Muslims for Christ but we'll leave that decision up to you you pray about it and let us know whenever you feel comfortable doing so thank you again for everyone you guys have done an amazing job I have a lot of beautiful and wonderful volunteers that always you know team up with us during these live streams and we want to thank them for that we want to remind everybody to pray for our dear sister you've heard it already living in the UK or outside the UK makes no difference sometimes especially for someone who's a female who comes from an Islamic background and remember to pray for all of us in our ministries of course and if you're not a subscriber to our You Tube channel this will on that YouTube channel we encourage you to subscribe to Serie International and you'll be able to receive notifications in the future of such amazing interviews that we are privileged to really be connected with people like our dear sister Khadija final words dear sister just thank you and bless everyone who's watching and please even the Muslims that are watching my intention was never to upset you a really it really wasn't I bring you a message of hope I bring you a message of salvation and I would ask that you use sincerely ask the true God to reveal himself to you and I pray that the light of Jesus Christ will shine upon you as it shined upon me but was ultimately there is only one God and I know that God is Christ amen amen that's that thank you so much Lord bless you and Lord bless you everybody take care and we'll see you soon next week bye bye all right

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Length: 77min 34sec (4654 seconds)

Published: Sun May 03 2020