Aliens and Demons: Evidence of an Unseen Realm - documentary film featuring Dr. Michael S. Heiser

foreign [Music] the last place you've probably ever suspect you'd find a Biblical scholar is at a UFO conference I've been to a bunch of them I've spoken at a few the reason I'm there is because that subject matter is hugely popular just think of something like Ancient Aliens millions and millions and millions of viewers is a big deal and it's a big deal for me as a Biblical scholar because when you get into this subject matter it's inherently about questions like what really is Humanity who put us here what about God is there a God maybe maybe the God we think of is actually an alien Superior being now for me this takes us right into the Unseen World the realm of angels and demons and gods and God himself biblical stuff [Music] foreign I see a great intersection a significant intersection between this kind of content and biblical theology people want to know what the truth is they want to know how to think about who they are why they're here and does this book we call the Bible have any validity at all I'm often asked well are there UFOs [Music] and when people typically ask that question what they sort of mean up front is do you believe that there are extraterrestrials flying craft around the sky it's a sort of a simplistic way to approach things though yes there are lots and lots of UFO sightings that are legitimate what does that mean though it means somebody's looking up in the sky and they see something that they can't identify that's all it means now even if they're a trained Observer like a pilot or military person someone who's used to seeing you know aircraft even they will see things that they cannot identify they don't really know what that is there are thousands of such reports every year in the United States this is not an isolated sort of thing so if that's what we're talking about yeah there are UFOs the question is again how do we process what we've seen there are experimental aircraft that very few people even among trained pilots would know what that thing is again we have a long history of this in the United States all that said though there are some that just defy categorization there's something about the object either in terms of the way it changes shape or you have instances where one will explode for lack of a better term come apart and then reassemble things like this that just don't seem to fit any of the other templates so there are anomalies when you start talking in those terms about something you visually see you are inherently sort of drawn into the spiritual world and that's at the point where a lot of people again are are really especially interested in the topic because when they start treading into that turf it gets them into religion it gets them into theology it gets them into the Bible and and other sacred books as well right a lot of biblical Scholars have hobbies some Tinker on cars some are into cooking what I do is UFO stuff there are a lot of people who are interested in this subject or they've had some experience or they know someone that they Trust who's had some sort of experience and oftentimes in the Christian context they get written off pretty quickly Pastor or maybe you need counseling maybe you need therapy maybe we need to cast a demon out of you or something like that now I have found in my exposure to both Christians and non-christians in this little world that they are primed to have really significant life-changing theological discussions I've met Pastors in fact at UFO conferences who are really making an effort to try to process this and keep their faith I know one Church in particular in Puerto Rico where almost the entire congregation claims to have been abducted by aliens now that is really off the beaten path but they're Christians and they're serious and they don't want to dump their faith but they want some answers and I get in trouble for saying this but I'll say it here as well I have had better theological discussions at UFO conferences than I have had in church if this is true how do we think about the Bible how do we think about the content of our faith foreign I've never had an unusual experience on my own but for me it was the 1997 Roswell conference obviously in Roswell New Mexico a very famous UFO case and I had done a good bit of reading about that and one day I was listening to the CNN broadcast of I have an Air Force debriefing and there was a reporter at the conference who had apparently read a good bit of information about the event and he asked the Air Force Colonel a guy named Colonel Haynes about something in the report and the question was well Colonel Haynes in the report you and the Air Force say that the bodies that Witnesses claim to have seen in this crashed UFO at Roswell in 1947. we're actually crash dummies that the Air Force used and of course the colonel acknowledged that and then the reporter said well the report itself says that the Air Force only began using these dummies in the early 1950s so how do we get this disconnect you know because it's several years what he said was yes that is correct And the reporter said how does that work and the colonel actually said We Believe that the witnesses to the Roswell event we think have undergone time compression and when I heard that I thought exactly what the reporter said what's that what is time compression and the colonel answered well we think that the witnesses are retelling a story that actually happened in the 50s but they're remembering it as happening in 1947. now we're sitting at Roswell you know if and find the reporter if I and I'm I'm listening to an event conference about an event this is an anniversary event in fact the 50th anniversary of the event and everybody can do the math there were not just two or three witnesses to the Roswell event there were hundreds of primary Witnesses people in those people's families again who heard about the story it was printed in the Roswell Daily Record July 2nd 1947. it got picked up by newspapers in 1947 the same week across the country but somehow this guy's saying no no no no no no it was really in the 50s and as soon as I heard that I thought somebody somewhere in the military in the government you know in this sort of need to know world somebody somewhere wants this myth to live because that's all that this press conference is doing it's feeding into the mythology of a government cover-up and the cover story is aliens because the answer that the colonel gate was so ridiculous and so easily falsified that I couldn't believe what I was hearing and so that sort of took me from a casual reader somebody with a sustained but casual interest into a person that thought I need to do some research here because there's something about this case there's something about this subject there's more than meets the eye here somebody wants this myth to live and I wanted to know why so when it comes to Roswell you you have some genuine documents that reference the event and the thing that was found and what you find is that it was not an extraterrestrial object but it wasn't what the Air Force says it was either so that's interesting on a number of levels on the one hand it affirms the event because hey we're at the CNN press conference in 1997 and we can all do math all right he goes back to the 40s not the early 50s you also have documents that most everyone within the UFO Community think are fraudulent or are partly fraudulent those are called The Majestic documents now there are a handful of UFO researchers that take them seriously most of them don't because of the way they came out it was literally microfilmed showing up in a journalist's mailbox and here you have a whole slew of documents and it happened more than once so the Majestic documents really again are kind of shady but what's interesting about them is they actually mix and blend exotic technology that we know about from World War II and and the early Cold War era that was well in advance of what we were using in World War II and what was rumored to sort of be possessed or at least have people working on in Nazi Germany at the time there was a process that was being worked on in Nazi Germany toward the end of the war to produce weapons grade nuclear material without a reactor it was a photochemical process that was sort of considered quasi-methical but documentation has come out that yeah they knew how to do this and there are parts of that process that show up in the Majestic documents now I look at that and say well that's not a coincidence they probably found some craft some experimental thing that was using nuclear power or that was part of this process and that's what crashed and they didn't want anybody to know about it so the the convenient cover story is flying saucers because we've had in the early 40s leading up to 1947 you had reports of flying saucers and flying craft and it became sort of a good misdirection you could say well we don't know what it is or it's just a weather balloon and you could think well I wonder if the Russians you know figured this out or if we if there's somebody working for us that figured it out you know we don't even know among ourselves what's going on here but eventually you know the people in the know find it useful to create the confusion and to sort of have the myth live and the alien story becomes a very convenient misdirection foreign my view and this is the view that I take in the facade is that Roswell was an Operation Paperclip screw-up this was a program begun by our government during World War II we knew we were going to win the war the question became what do we do with some of the people who are sort of at the Forefront of Technologies we're interested in like the V2 rocket President Truman at the time did not want anyone from Nazi Germany or Japan who was involved in war crimes brought into our country even if it was for an ostensibly good purpose let's tap their brains and get their technological knowledge there were people though who disagreed with him and so what they did along the chain of vetting people was if they got a really interesting candidate that they knew would be rejected because of a connection to like the death camps or something like that they would put a paper clip on that person's file and that was a signal to the next person down the line to pull that file give that guy a new history clean up his record and then pass it on now we got over 700 Nazi scientists into the country working for us in this project some of the most famous Werner von Braun who became number two at Nasa really responsible for a lot of our rocketry a lot of our space program and he also became Walt Disney's spokesperson for the Disney's World of Tomorrow I remember seeing Von Braun on TV he was a Nazi but again nobody really knew the exact details of his history because they've been deflected erased or manipulated what I think happened is we got a number of these people over especially the ones who sort of knew about exotic craft you know flight you know modifications how to build different craft we know the Nazis were working on wingless aircraft Delta shapes which if you go back to the early reports of quote unquote flying saucers the reports don't actually say that the craft looked like saucers it says they were triangular Delta craft that moved like saucers skipping across you know water that like a stone or saucery the Flying Saucer term actually comes from a case in the Northwest where I'm at right now Kenneth Arnold is the big case he was flying a small plane and while he was in the air he saw a number of craft flying in formation and he said that they moved like plates skipping across a flat surface or water and he used the term saucer to describe again this sort of skipping motion and out of that came the the whole term Flying Saucer but when he was asked to draw what he saw he drew delta wing craft he didn't draw a perfect circle and like we typically think of with flying saucers now we can look in hindsight and we know again some of the things they were working on we know the processes that they were using to do this and these things show up in the Majestic documents and some also very human Technologies the crafted Roswell for instance you'll you'll read about again exotic things oh we don't know how this works or what it is and then they'll have things like gears okay you know why would you need a gear in a craft you know of this nature if it was truly something that could travel through space there are incongruities there you have Roswell this is the place where we stored our nuclear bombs this was an important base what would the public reaction have been in 1947 right after the war to find out that at this base we had personnel who had been working on things from Nazi Germany I mean that would have just caused an upload even if they weren't located specifically there to learn that we had them in our scientific apparatus that they had not been prosecuted that their records had been sanitized and here they are on our payroll on the taxpayer payroll that would have just caused an uproar it's a very good cover story to take what happened at Roswell and call it extraterrestrial or say it's a mystery because it helps you cover up and misdirect attention from what you're really doing another reason I think that Roswell had to be covered up or attention diverted from what it really was are the bodies that get reported in the Roswell incident I don't think at all that they were extraterrestrial bodies what I think they were were either young children or perhaps children that were had certain diseases like Progeria where they're bald their heads get big that sort of thing there's documentation that these sorts of children and also young adults who fit a certain height and weight profile were taken out of Prisons there were death row inmates and we experimented on that's shocking but where it comes from is Operation pay-per-clip again the Japanese side of paperclip they had two programs that are important to this discussion one was Operation of fugo which was high altitude balloons and the other one was the work done at Unit 731 which was bioweapons these two things were going to be married by the Japanese they tested their high altitude balloons during the war they would put an explosive on one of these balloons launch it and then the wind currents would take it over to the west coast of the United States so if they reached and exploded they know they would know that it worked these balloons actually worked and the plan was to not hook explosives to the thing but to hook biological weapons you know to infect the water supply you know spread you know diseases that had no cure you know just really nasty stuff I mean you know think of like Anthrax that sort of thing you could deliver that with one of these balloons now the in in this country a few of them did reach here the Press was forbidden from talking about any of this by the military and they actually obeyed and the logic was we don't want the Japanese to know that one of them ever got here what we did was get people from Japan who were part of these programs into this country and then we started experimenting with high altitude balloons what could be done we used human beings for altitude tests there's something in this country called project sunshine where we were taking death row inmates and using them to be experimental subjects because we needed to know the effects of this or that on a human body and so when one of them crashes there's a there's a screw-up okay Operation Paperclip you know experiment goes wrong in the desert there in Roswell it's a very convenient thing to say we have no idea what this is oh it's just a balloon or hey maybe the Russians are doing it or or maybe it's space aliens again to make the myth sort of real uh real enough so that people talk about it and think that's what we're covering up instead of the thing we're really covering up you know it's a very useful thing in that respect one of the things that you'll run into if you spend any serious time reading about UFOs is something that you follow just call the contactee movement or contact T literature these are people's stories when they claim to have been abducted by aliens or they claim to have met alien beings and what's interesting to me as a theologian as a Biblical scholar is the messaging there are a number of people in the field they would attribute it to very human causes and brainwashing techniques abused in various ways and various reasons and given screen memories something to remember in place of this and this is a this is a very weird vast field that has deep roots in some very esoteric subjects that sound like they can't be real like mind control MK Ultra [Music] yeah to me it's not a coincidence that the same people who are in the paperwork at the Congressional hearing on MK Ultra in the 70s their names show up in Alien Abduction narratives this was a program that grew out of CIA and a few other government agency efforts to produce drugs for different purposes it really began in the pursuit of a of a truth serum believe it or not in the 50s there was a lot of effort put into can we come up with a drug that forces people to tell the truth and if we can do that can we use that and take that drug and experiment on our own people to build up a resistance in case of their ever captured well part of that research people discovered that when you traumatize an individual the natural coping mechanism of the brain will dissociate and we all experienced dissociation in our own lives in very minor ways you're riding you're driving down the road you know it's a fairly long trip you get to your destination you can't quite remember how you got there but you know you're there okay your mind went somewhere else well the people in this program discovered that you could deliberately do this to people and have part of their mind essentially split off and then it was ready for programming you could give it instructions this used to be called multiple personality disorder it could either be done deliberately in a lab or it's what the brain did when the person was like ritually abused or repeatedly abused all sorts of different contexts the government decided to explore this area of research and one of the programs that did that was known as MK Ultra if you've ever seen the movie Conspiracy Theory with Mel Gibson he is an MK Ultra victim in the movie Manchurian Candidate that is classic MK Ultra mind manipulation mind transformation and programming it's it's a big theme in a lot of movies and it was discovered to be in existence and explored by Congress in the 70s most of the evidence for it was destroyed prior to the church hearings that's what the hearings were called but someone found the 18 or 20 boxes that they had missed and that's why we know about it there are some very key names that show up in that literature that that set of hearings and alien abduction research or events and I don't think that's a coincidence so when I look at the subject I think it's wicked I think it's evil I think people are deliberately abused in in half a dozen different contexts and this is the outcome John Mack at Harvard he compared it to shamanistic experiences and we might even think of something like the Stockholm syndrome when you begin to identify with your captors and you feel special you're chosen even though this this was awful they did it for a good reason and I'm now their messenger and this is where you get messaging you have a message now to give to humankind about the world's Destiny about what we need to do to evolve I think it's deeply Sinister I think some of it could actually be overtly demonic in other words the mechanism that produces this set of memories can be different I I personally have a friend two friends who focus on abduction research they've documented over 100 cases where they will either lead someone to Christ or train a person to make it a spiritual confrontation when whatever is happening to them happens and they have been delivered from repeated abduction experiences in other words they stop if that's successful to me that that says there's a there's some inherent spiritual element to this particular thing within this big umbrella world we call UFO stuff but since it's inherently spiritual and it's evil and it's wicked a lot of UFO researchers are the enemies of the whole subject they think it's contrived or they think it's abusive they don't think it has anything to do with aliens at all I think ultimately if this is the content of the messaging it's so directed again in anti-christian or subversion of Christian theology that it's very easy for me to think of it in terms of a deception by again a superior intelligence but not one that comes from another planet we're talking about a Sinister intelligence from the spiritual world the kind of unseen realm that the Bible talks about demonic for that sort of thing it's actually much wider than that again my specialty is the Unseen realm and that realm is a lot bigger than just Angels and Demons but for the sake of talking about the messaging it's really dark it's no exaggeration to say that the messaging that people supposedly get from Aliens is inherently anti-christian and what I mean by that is Jesus is nothing special he's a human that we selected to communicate to other people or he's one of us and it really doesn't do that to other religions [Music] and that might sound like a unsubstantiated claim but I can say it because I have read the contact he literature if you've ever seen the movie Close Encounters of the Third Kind one of the characters in that movie The French ufologist is modeled after someone real Jacques valet who's a very famous figure in UFO studies he's a computer science PhD that was his real vocation but valet who is not a Christian was one of the earliest people to say and to write for this audience that there is something spiritually sinister about this alien contact messaging so it's not just me there are non-believers non-christians who have noticed the same thing there was actually a big conference in 1992 held at MIT yes that MIT on alien abductions and part of it was because there was a famous professor at Harvard one of the one of this the psychology department was a psych he was a psychiatrist himself who was heavily into alien abduction research his name was John Mack he's no longer living at that event and it was held over a few days there were a number of Scholars who decided to tackle this subject you can buy the papers they were all published and one of them was on what are the similarities between abduction narratives and Satanic ritual abuse good topic for people that are unfamiliar with that term we are actually talking about ritual activity worship so to speak in a luciferian context that involves sexual abuse and other kinds of abuse there are touch points between what people say that happened to them in these rituals or what the goal of an abduction experience was supposedly there are lots of parallels and we're not talking three or four I've actually counted them they're over 20. the metal tables the types of wounds that people suffer they're probed in all sorts of you know awful places messaging about we're doing this so that you can birth you know a hybrid child now the kinds of things you would hear in a Satanic ritual abuse situation or any sort of deliberate trauma episode that sort of linked itself to Lucifer or Satan would be for instance with children where children are being sexually abused and the perpetrator might pass themselves off even in costume as Jesus for instance and so the whole notion is to get the child convinced that God hates them or that Lucifer is the real God in Jesus as their enemy with adults again it takes on a different sort of flavor although the messaging can be sort of the same it can be a little more sophisticated for instance messaging that would be consistent with your special your chosen but there's sometimes this spin put on it that even though this is suffering it's the shamanistic sort of approach that this event will help tune you in more to the realities of the spiritual world and that will prep you to take a message that people need to hear now in terms of alien abduction narrative this is very common you'll often have women for instance who are convinced that they are carrying as a result of their abduction experience a child that is essentially a hybrid that might either be termed the Antichrist or there will be things or ways it's talked about that sort of would remind a Christian of how the Antichrist is described or sort of Beast imagery from The Book of Revelation that sort of thing but it's cast in a positive spin in other words this child is sort of a Divine human interface or hybrid that is going to be here not to do bad things but to help Humanity realize what it could become you might wonder what connection this sort of thing has to Satanic ritual abuse sometimes there is a connection sometimes there's not again people have these experiences and relate narratives you know memories for different reasons it really again in my view since I don't think that aliens are behind this at all but I think most cases the overwhelming number of cases humans are behind these things it just depends on what messaging people are given sort of what thing do we want you to remember that you will slide that in as your experience which will hide and obscure and deny what really happened to you but when the messaging is so dark and what's done to people or what people think was done to them is so sinister and that has a very evil feel to it I do leave the door open though to something that I would call Direct demonization where people have an experience where there is some sort of spiritual event something done to them by a spiritual being and then this is the way they process it or the way they could process it in in my mind the ones that stand out as sort of pretty well probably obviously you know getting into that territory demonic in nature are the ones that you that really sort of have a reaction to a person who is taught or remembers to sort of interject Jesus into the conversation when you have something going on and you invoke the name of Christ for instance or you know you you know speak to the perpetrator in the Name of Christ the demand that they stop or something like that and again there are hundreds of these sorts of cases where a victim does this deliberately intentionally and not only does the incident stop but it never repeats that tells me that there's a demonic element a pretty clear demonic element to what's going on abductions often run in families abduction experiences again this what we're calling alien abduction experiences they either run in families or they repeat with particular people you know quite frequently it comes back again and again and again and again and again we're familiar with that too because of media you know movies and television shows so when you have that kind of situation and you address it with sort of a spiritual weapon and then it's done to me that suggests pretty strongly that we had a supernatural event going on here in terms of specific examples as far as contact team messaging that I would view as Sinister you know something that is spiritual Darkness you know lurking in the background in the history of ufology there have been a couple of very famous contact he episodes one of them involved a guy named George adamski adamski became very famous in the 50s and you know thereafter for supposedly being contacted by an alien presence visiting Venus and all these different planets having this or that Vision I call them Visions but he would actually say he went to these places with his alien friends and his messaging was really nothing more than warmed over gnosticism that the aliens were telling him every human has the light of God or the light of you know the the supernatural realm in them and they just need to remember sort of who they are they need to be enlightened very typical not messaging about the salvation of humanity being from within and recognizing their own divinity gnosticism was an ancient and still is belief system that was a strong competitor to the early church because it used biblical language it used Jesus stuff as part of its presentation of what salvation meant and what the nature of the world was but the short version of gnosticism is that there's the true God in most remote history and he took of himself to create other eons these eons were entities and one of these eons transgressed the will of the Supreme deity the true God as gnostics would like to say but one of these eons transgressed and decided Well I want to create a being sort of like me like my maker did and that being Sophia creates a being that is evil and Sinister and that is the being that creates humankind that is the god of the Bible he's a bad guy in gnosticism and the good guy in the Gnostic story is the serpent because the serpent is the one who comes to humans and says hey you know you people don't really realize what's going on here you know did God really say did your maker really say again the bad guy this or that and so the serpent is viewed as trying to Enlighten humans to their the nature of who they are there's a little spark of divinity in them because of where they came from and it's a very old system it's very self-oriented in terms of salvation Salvation is not about taking care of a sin problem it's about becoming personally enlightened to your own Divinity and you can see this kind of messaging in a number of contact T episodes in the history of UFO studies I think the reason why we get a similarity here or an overlap between alleged ET messaging and gnosticism is that there is a good part of the whole alien thing the alien subject matter that is inherently spiritual again this is a this is a wide far-ranging kind of subject and at least part of it is really about apparently spiritual messaging and who who's going to be interested in spiritual messaging except Spiritual Beings okay so you have competitors to God who have their own kind of message to direct Humanity away from the truth and it's very convenient again to use a certain set of ideas but here we are in the 20th century okay with these contact T events and so I feel this part of ufology as really nothing more than intelligent demonic beings using old lies and repackaging them for a 20th and 21st century audience what to a 20th and 21st century person would be Godlike an extraterrestrial it's very simple it's it's an intelligent being that isn't us it's not part of the animal kingdom it's so Transcendent when compared to us that it becomes a very convenient vehicle and if you really think about it alien messaging you UFO stuff on that level is really sort of like converting heaven to space you have heaven without the god of the Bible you have a Transcendent Destiny for Humanity without any accountability at all the the whole question of sin and salvation isn't even on the table but yet you get to keep all the good parts oh we have this great Destiny oh we're going to become god-like oh the the deity is interested in us and loves us and has a message for us and picks some of us to convey this message and make us special you have all of that repackaged in this sort of technological Society Garb as aliens the second sort of famous episode is that of Billy Meyer this actually happened in Switzerland but it's gotten a lot of traffic in The Wider UFO community and over here as well because Meyer was the guy whose pictures again alleged pictures of alien craft wound up on the cover of National Enquirer and other things like that and they looked really spectacular it's kind of a case of that looks too good to be true Meyer was supposedly contacted by a female alien of who of course was good looking and her name was semiyaza s-e-m-j-a-s-e that is strikingly close to the shemiazza with a y or the Shem Casa of first Enoch who is a demon okay in fact one of the lead figures in the Genesis 6 the Watchers episode and so again if if you have the biblical background you look at the story of this and you think that really can't be a coincidence I mean that you would have this either he made it all up and he picked a really bad name that's going to Telegraph again sort of a demonic messaging to read The Narrative of Genesis 6 when you have this sort of thing in your head as being kind of a ancient incident of the same sort of thing and there are these touch points especially again with sort of the outcomes Enoch's retelling of that story instead of saying sons of God he will often use the term Watcher now that word does find its way into the Bible itself in Daniel it occurs three or four times in Daniel chapter four it just refers to watchful ones or possibly those who don't sleep there are good ones and then there are rebellious ones good ones are in Daniel 4. Watcher and a holy one comes down and tells Nebuchadnezzar hey you're going to go crazy for a while and we actually find out in that chapter that this punishment on you for your pride is quote by the decree of the Watchers plural in verse 13. now a few verses later it's also referred to as the decree of the most high so it's not like you got a bunch of you know Angelic beings running around saying hey let's just go down and tell Nebuchadnezzar this is that's going to happen to him and we get to call the shots we have to look at Genesis 6 pretty carefully it's very easy to read that passage against this backdrop and I think if there is sort of a common denominator it is the idea of quote unquote gods or Spiritual Beings raising up maybe a population or a people group a group of Elites might be the best way to say it that will somehow be the great civilizers and in the alien abduction narrative case you have again chosen individuals to to bring alien human hybrids into the world and that's going to be the thing the Catalyst that takes Humanity from where it is now to its ultimate Destiny of transcending Being Human Being something more than human and in Meyer's case and in adamsky as well there would be additional claims of Jesus was one of us and you bring Jesus into the conversation and oh he was one of them well that explains the Bible doesn't it that explains why Jesus could do all this amazing stuff and and I don't want to reject them because then I'm rejecting Jesus again throwing him into the conversation that what Jesus was really here to do is to unfortunately to quote Ben Herr okay to convince us that there is a spark of God in every man and they are here to help us realize that to awaken us to our own enlightenment and either Meyer made this up and picked a really unfortunate name but again people who are familiar with ancient texts are going to sort of pull out or he was met by an entity who took this name and again that's very suggestive of something sinister so what about stories that we hear about Ancient Aliens did ancient aliens really put us here are they really our creators did they give us the technology that we have either now or in Antiquity are they really the masters of civilization does the bible or any other ancient text really describe extraterrestrials does it really describe beings that lived on and came from other planets using technology to get here or is there something else going on I think as bizarre as it sounds Ancient Aliens as a show and shows like it it's not the only one have a huge vast reach into the pop culture millions and millions and millions of people have seen not only just one episode but actually follow the series and it's really Truth by anomaly and the Bible gets drawn into that because it's an ancient book it's not the only one but if I can step in there and say look the people who are telling you these things or giving you these ideas giving you these theories about human Origins they're lying to you Zechariah sitchin who's no longer living and he's deceased a few years ago claimed to be an ancient languages expert he was presented by his publisher and his publicist as a scholar of ancient languages I don't believe that Zechariah sitchin could read or translate any in it was disappointing at first because I thought he might be a kindred spirit he was not he's basically making up an alien narrative out of ancient near Eastern texts like enuma English or the Gilgamesh epic and his claim to fame his original book is called the 12th Planet where he describes his belief based upon his alleged translation work that the Sumerian Tablets describe a civilization of extraterrestrials known as the Annunaki who came to Earth from a planet called Nibiru and created human beings and or genetically modify an existing abe-like creature to create create out of that thing this is his narrative and he's has convinced millions of people this is the true history of Life on this planet now the reason that's demonstrably wrong is you can actually go look up online the term Anunnaki in all of the Mesopotamian texts that sichens sites you will find that there isn't a single tablet that has the Anunnaki on Nibiru you will find that Nibiru is actually described as Jupiter or Mercury or just a star but no planet again out in the outer reaches of the solar system where sichin puts it you'll never find the Annunaki riding in a craft anywhere you won't find all of the core ideas or any of the core ideas that sitchin has for his mythology so it's not very difficult to show that he's wrong I've gone on a number of radio shows and basically just put it this way how easy would it be to show that Mike is wrong all you need to do is produce one line of one tablet that has one of these specific claims that sitchin makes in that source and Mike would have to go away Mike is still here and I'm very again you might say confronted but I'm serious about it I don't like when people are lied to not just about what's the content of the Bible but I don't like when they're deceived by the content you know some narrative that comes from any other ancient text another Passage would be Genesis 6 1 1-4 this is the sons of God the daughters of men who produce Nephilim and the Giants sitchin is quite known for this he merges together the sons of God with the Nephilim he treats them as other the same character but Genesis 6 describes Spiritual Beings assuming flesh the most traditional reading is cohabiting with human women and producing as Offspring Nephilim I believe and I'm not certainly not the only scholar who would believe this that the term means giant because there are other passages that connect to Genesis 6. but the ancient alien theorist loves this passage for some reason because well sons of God sounds like an extraterrestrial to them and they never asked the question about are angels in the Bible really kind of described as beings that need to perpetuate their species that need to eat need to drink again have to expel and you know hate their jobs or whatever I mean is this the way they're really described as something being normative for them and the answer of course is no but they never really get to that question and then once you have aliens in Genesis 6 1-4 it's the aliens who create the Nephilim and some ancient alien theorists will call them Giants others will say no these are the men of renown and that phrase is used in Genesis 6 4 the great civilizers of antiquity you know the really smart people that civilize the world or that are responsible for building massive projects like the pyramids or bail back and so this is why on a show like Ancient Aliens you get a narrative that says oh look at this big object we couldn't figure out how to build that therefore it must be aliens this is where it comes from it comes from this passage seizing on an extraterrestrial parentage for certain individuals who are called men of renown now I don't as a Biblical scholar buy into any of that but it's a very familiar trajectory for Anyone who reads a book by Zechariah sitchin they're going to get sort of sucked into this world and they're going to run across this narrative at some point [Music] I was invited to speak at the Bay Area UFO conference and I was invited to speak about ancient astronauts I'm an ancient studies scholar I'm a Biblical scholar this is great he was on coast to coast and that was a wonderful interview let's have this guy come out and do this I wasn't vetted at all in other words they thought they were getting a believer I am not again an ancient alien believer so I went to the conference and I basically did a lecture on a Zechariah sitchin and I went to this conference and basically tore his work apart there's really no other way to say it and I tried to be nice about it but I wanted to be firm about it as well just dissecting where his errors were I was asked to leave the conference I didn't get paid that was okay though I've never been invited back nor did I expect to ever be invited back but the great thing about the event was my second session which happened before the one that got me in trouble was a lecture on could Christianity accommodate a genuine extraterrestrial reality when you take that topic you have to get into things like well would Jesus have to die on other planets how would aliens be atoned for and so it was well worth the visit and it was worth getting tossed out of the place to do it because of the way most Christians have been taught to think about demons there's Angels there's demons and then there's God and that's pretty much the spiritual World it creates some confusion when you listen to some of the things I've been saying you actually have a number of different groups of rebels in the beginning you had intelligent beings that he has created that live in the spiritual world and then there's human beings okay intelligent beings that live in the terrestrial world that's fine until you know we actually get you know some interaction in Genesis 3 we have an initial Rebellion okay so we have the Satan figure okay that's one Rebel Genesis 6 we have another group that group Again by all either Mesopotamian or biblical or Jewish tradition the guilty parties there wind up being sent into the abyss until the time of the end it's an eschatological judgment so that's a second group a third group we get from the Babel incident Deuteronomy 32 8-9 when God divides up the Nations and assigns them to other sons of God and then they become corrupt God abandons the nations of Babel and he says Israel is going to be my portion now Jacob is going to be my inheritance and so he calls Abraham and he makes for himself a new nation Israel this is why in the rest of the Old Testament it's Yahweh Against The Gods of the nations in Israel against those Nations the sons of God that are assigned to the other nations this is the Old Testament explanation for why those Nations got their own pantheons we read in Psalm 82 that they have become corrupt at some point in their history they fail they don't rule the Nations the way God wants them ruled now those guys aren't bound they're not in prison the Genesis 6 ones are what about demons just using that word demon if you asked a first century Jew hey where do demons come from they would have an immediate answer if you ask a Christian now they would say I don't know because the Bible doesn't tell me it's actually not the case a Jew would say well sure we know where demons come from they're the disembodied spirits of dead Nephilim that sounds very bizarre to our ear that's not what you hear in church it's not what you hear in seminary either but there are hints of it in the Old Testament Isaiah 14 Isaiah 26 job 26 verse 5. these are three passages that have refine in the realm of the Dead what we think of as hell now that tells you again where a Jew would have gotten this idea so since they were part supernatural being and part Earthly being when you killed one and this was an act of rebellion again their Creation in the first place their soul was at work which is not a human soul biblical thinking it goes to hell this is where they're punished they incur the punishment that their fathers incurred that gets sent to the pit in Peter and Jude second Peter 2 and Jude it specifically says that the angels that sinned are in Chains of gloomy Darkness they're imprisoned in the abyss there is no other sin in the Old Testament Angels plural that you can point to to say to answer the question what are Peter and Jude talking about there is no other possibility other than Genesis 6. a lot of people think well there was this great cataclysmic Rebellion before creation Satan used to control the Earth and then he rebelled and then he became bad and then he went to the Garden of Eden and all this whole idea about a satanic Rebellion before Adam and Eve you will never find that in any verse in the Bible but that's part of Christian tradition that's been passed down I personally think it comes from Milton's Paradise Lost a great Puritan book but you will not find it in a single passage in the Bible the closest you get is revelation 12. Michael a third of the Angels okay but if you read Revelation 12 that story is in conjunction with the first coming of the Messiah not the Garden of Eden not something before Eden so there there is is there's no other thing you can look at in the Bible to explain what Peter and Jude are talking about as far as angels that sin winding up in hell and this is really part of our our fallen angel tradition in Christianity but it has some of these extraneous elements kind of thrown into it in Hell passages if you want to use that term in the Old Testament Isaiah 14. Isaiah 26. Ezekiel 32. job 26 you have refiam which is a term used for the Giants that descend from the Nephilim in hell when you killed one their Spirits were then natural inhabitants of hell but they're never said to be bound in fact Jewish texts and again you get hints of this in the Bible too can have them coming out and harassing people perhaps seeking to possess bodies demonic possession I've just described four different rebellions or four different groups four different bad guys Satan the ones in Genesis 6 then The Departed spirits of their progeny okay who are the demons and then you've got the principalities and Powers they're actually different guys okay different bad guys but the way we're taught about demonology in church traditional Christianity is all those things get mashed into demons as far as what I think about Genesis 6 1-4 Spiritual Beings are not beings from other planets there's nothing in the Bible that orients them to other planets and here's the surprise there's nothing in any other ancient text that orients them to other planets you will never find in an ancient text one of the Gods coming from a planet to Earth which sounds really shocking especially in in light of the success of Ancient Aliens you think what you think some text would say that they don't now there are lots of texts that have the gods flying around in chariots or you know some other you know structural thing but you never have an instance where they come from another planet which is exactly what you'd expect if ancient people who wrote the Bible and who wrote other texts if this is really what they're thinking surely one of them would say it but they don't one of the things that always comes up in this discussion is Ezekiel one people will ask well Mike you know how can you say this about the Bible surely Ezekiel 1. famous bizarre vision that often gets portrayed in science fiction movies as a spacecraft surely that must be a spacecraft well I think the simplest thing I could say to this is we actually have the Polaroids of the day for what Ezekiel Saw we don't have to guess we actually have pictures of what Ezekiel Saw that sort of takes people back like oh they didn't have cameras back then no they didn't but they did sculpture they did things like this in every element of the description the wheels within wheels under a platform were cherubim four faces facing in different directions on top of them you have a round flat Throne Dice With The Throne on top for the deity or the king every element of that description is found and known from Babylonian iconography or Phoenician iconography in some cases Canaanite iconography now the Babylonian stuff is important why because ezekiel's in Babylon what he's actually doing is not describing a spacecraft he's describing an enthroned deity but who does he have on the throne he has the god of Israel on a throne that people both from Israel and Babylonians would understand that it's the Israelites God that is in control of time and space the universe the heavens the flow of History all this and you say why do you put it in those terms it's because of the cherubim it's not an accident that the four faces of the cherubim are the four iconographic images of the cardinal points of the zodiac in Babylon what is being described here is who is the deity the question is asked who is the deity that controls the flow of time who's on the Heavenly throne in charge of what is happening it's not martyred of Babylon it's the god of Israel and so ezekiel's message to the captives there sitting by the river kevar is yeah you're in a bad place yes Nebuchadnezzar just conquered you and you might think that Marduk has conquered our God hasn't God is in charge the god of Israel is in charge of you here and he knows and dictates and directs how history is going to run from this point on [Music] Genesis 6 1-4 has a Mesopotamian context it's the story of the apcalu and if you want to know what that story is you can get unseen realm and read that but basically in a nutshell here it is there were Gods Before the Flood who helped humans to produce civilization and some higher up gods in Mesopotamia didn't like people they decided to wipe them out with a flood well the ones who liked humans and said oh well we've invested a lot of time helping these people now this is a terrible thing what do we do aha we've got it we will mate with a few of them and then what we know you know will are are the children that are produced will be super intelligent like we are and so our knowledge Will Survive the flood we've got to make sure that a few of them survive and our children you know our direct progeny will be part of that and Humanity will be saved so this is the Mesopotamian story so the ones who do this are the heroes they're the good guys now the higher up gods look at this and say that is not what we had planned and they send the gods who help into the abyss forever however long that is now the biblical story inverts that and says look this is a transgression of Heaven and Earth this never should have happened this is not a good thing this is evil it's wicked because humans will use this knowledge to become better sinners okay to be more self-destructive biblical texts and other texts say this is why humans are so efficient at War this is why they have a problem with lust this is where they learn to be astrologers all sorts of stuff that really turned out to be self-destructive in other biblical Stories the blame goes right here and so what Genesis 6 1-4 is is it's a it's a story about both human and divine Rebellion against the boundaries that God has established and the destruction that results from not staying where you belong and trying to become god-like and thinking that you know better than God so at every point the biblical version of this kind of inverts the Mesopotamian version of this so to summarize Genesis 6 1-4 the most if I can call it this the most traditional supernaturalist reading of the passage is you have Divine beings who can presume create and take on bodies okay and when they show up in flesh as they often do in other passages flesh can do what flesh does and they deliberately try to raise up their own populations either thinking that well they could do better cause the world is just in a bad place in Genesis 6 verse 5. whatever their motivations might have been ancient texts outside the Bible vary on this but they're the ones who produce the Nephilim who are these Giants now in the biblical story it's this act it's this incident that is the explanation for the giant Clans that try to wipe out Israel later in the Book of Numbers 1333 Moses and Joshua run into the Anakin and it says explicitly in that verse the anakim are from the Nephilim Diana came were also known as rafai and Amy and zamzumi there's a whole bunch of names for them in other texts we find that when you killed one of these they're disembodied spirit is a resident of hell okay so you have a demonic connection to them that is traceable all the way back to this incident one of the reasons why a lot of Christians are troubled by the idea of whether there could really be aliens or not either in the past or in the present is that while the Bible doesn't describe them the Bible doesn't mention them and so that becomes an argument against the idea so that if they showed up oh that troubles us there goes our Bible out the window because the Bible never said anything about that so they'll take a stand that it can't be true because of absence in the Bible Well if you really think about it that's a pretty poor argument because the Bible doesn't mention a lot of things that we know are real like cars or microwaves or toilet paper okay there are lots of things that aren't in the Bible that we just know are real another one is the image of God if there are really aliens out there then humanity is no longer unique now when I put things that way you can already tell that people are sort of predisposed to understanding human uniqueness and the image of God in a very particular way they'll equate it with intelligence to make the image of God any particular quality is a mistake because not all human beings at all stages of their development either pre-birth or in old age have certain qualities that have historically been identified with the image in their fullness or even equally we'll notice in Genesis 1 26 that we have the wording there let us create humankind in our image then the very next verse it switches to singular so God created humankind in His image why do we have plurals mixed with singulars well the reason is because God is speaking to people beings probably a better word that are already there individuals intelligent beings they're the sons of God from Job 38 that were there present at the foundation of the world he announces his intention let's create humankind but when he actually does only God creator all the verbs are singular all the pronouns are singular only God is the creator so the plural language is important because he's referring to the members of the spiritual world the Heavenly Host he's bringing them into the conversation about Imaging let us create humankind in or as our image the plural is there because somehow God and Us and Them are connected in some way and the way we're connected is we image him here they image him in their world we have the same Creator and we represent the same being the same God the same creator but only God himself created either of us us and the members of the spiritual world and if you take that perspective when you say well what if there is ET so what so what if we have intelligent alien life that is not what Imaging is if there are extraterrestrials they're not even in the equation they're not even in the picture in Genesis 1. they would be created beings in biblical thinking but they're not images they're not members of the Heavenly Host they're not humans they are just intelligent beings that exist somewhere else that God happened to make God doesn't have to tell us everything he does everything he did or will do and we're back to the whole it's not in the Bible so it can't be real kind of argument which again is flawed the Bible is not a record of everything that God has ever done or will do but this is the kind of thinking that goes into it but once you take again it's not in the Bible off the table once you take oh they're intelligent so that ruins the image idea off the table then the whole idea of having intelligent aliens becomes a little less theologically threatening my view personally again if we if we take off the table the nuts and bolts kind of discussions about you know hey could there be aliens or not you know the academic discourse if we take that off the table we talk about the spiritual messaging elements uh I think what's going on is we have intelligent beings intelligent non-human Divine Spiritual Beings whatever you want to call them trying to control the language of spirituality a lot of this sort of messaging and discussion really results in for many people and again I think this is the goal of intelligent evil in this regard redefining things like God what does that word even mean who are we what does it mean to be human how did we get here who put us here and what is our destiny how do we have do we have a relationship with this God have we offended him is there such a thing as sin or not but I think the intelligent evil wants to control and redefine the terminology what they want God redefined as a Transcendent extraterrestrial they want Jesus redefined as a messenger from the Transcendent extraterrestrial or an extraterrestrial himself they want the need of humanity not equated with sin a solution for sin but to evolve to be a Transcendent being like they are think about it if you had the same vocabulary that we use in religious discourse God Jesus salvation Humanity Destiny Transcendence glorification Heaven all these things but they all had different meanings that attached themselves to this whole extraterrestrial question well guess what you get to keep your Bible we don't change any of the words however what the words mean is something different this is something akin to conceptually at least when the nakash the serpent walks up to Eve and says hey did God really say and then they have a conversation where Eve is misled or misdirected led to process what God Said in a different way in our theological discussion so today we almost let science fiction and the ET thing is part of that dictate the way we talk theology science fiction is like televangelism for the alien worldview again we get to keep God that inner urge to have something more Transcendent than we are that will give us a destiny that has the solution to our problems we get to keep all that if what we're talking about are extraterrestrials isn't that wonderful it's all real it's all true but in doing so in keeping it and having the language redefined having the meaning of these terms altered even slightly we are embracing a non-gosman we are embracing a different Christ and I think that's actually the goal so at the end of the day we have a really strange mixture of biblical theology the supernatural world the Unseen World mixed in with all this UFO stuff sightings alleged alien contact and abductions what do we do with all this how do we process it I really do think processing is the key and what I mean by that is we need to be honest the world is a lot Stranger than what we think it is there are a lot of people who just go through life thinking everything is nailed down we've been given every answer by science or we will be given that answer by science there are no anomalies there's nothing really strange that transcends the physical world we know that isn't true there is a spiritual world so what we need to do is be honest the world is a strange place there's a lot more going on than we might think we need to just Embrace that idea and then try to process what it is that people experience what they see in an honest way [Applause] [Music] [Music] foreign

Channel: Logos Bible Software

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Keywords: Faithlife Films, Reuben Evans, Dr. Michael S. Heiser, Aliens, Demons, The Unseen Realm, Divine Council Worldview, Roswell, Satanic ritual abuse, SRA, Enoch, Watchers, Mike Heiser

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Length: 75min 38sec (4538 seconds)

Published: Wed Oct 12 2022

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[u/deadfileman]

Yeah, Michael Heiser is a serious and well respected Christian scholar, who does a lot of work in trying to understand the way the Biblical authors would have viewed the "spirit world" or unsee realm as he calls it. As a fellow Christian, its nice to see this kind of egagement with the phenomenon from a scholar of his standing.

[u/MaxwellHillbilly]

Well I'm overstimulated.

I never thought I'd see the name "Dr. Michael Heiser" in this subreddit...

I started watching this last night I'm going to try and finish it tonight.

As always, the man is brilliant.

[u/Former_nobody13]

The man himself , this will be a good watch to say the least.

[u/lemmnnaa]

His book The Unseen Realm and Reversing Hermon are two of the most eye-opening books I’ve ever read. I recommend them to everyone I meet.

[u/helpforwidowsson]

Heiser has a lot of great stuff on his channel best one for me is where he took apart the ancient aliens bull shine

[u/[deleted]]

Do you know what's better than a UFO conference? A sociology conference on the culture and identity of a specific group with spiritual and religious undertones. The theological aspects are totally ignored by academics as being tangible. The audience present, some who are part of the community being studied demonstrated otherwise. It's a primary driving force for identity and societal formation.

I approached a person there who was studying to become a priest. He asked a question to the panel members that caught my interest. I told him, "whatever the panel says, it is your reality." He immediately opened up and told me he had a terrible experience when he was meddling with the occult and that made him become a Christian. I understood, and knew beforehand - I am also an experiencer.

[u/InducedLuminous]

I enjoy all different types of views of personal understanding. The more theories and opinions that are made public, the more humanity can decipher what they believe the truth is. From my last 12 years of studies, I’ve come to believe that experiences should not be dismissed because they reach beyond what humanity believes is practical. Are there real spiritual entities? Maybe. Are some good and evil and everything in between? Maybe. Are there physical beings beyond earth? Maybe. Are there cryptids and goblins? Maybe. The point is as long as we keep the door open(“Maybe”) we are on the right track to understand the truth, without bias. To discredit a subject you have little knowledge of is foolish and vice versa. Either study until you have a reasonable understanding, or remain neutral. Since our understanding of the universe is still immature, we can not simply deny the merit of a certain thing that extends beyond our knowing.

[u/AnubissDarkling]

Bold use of the word 'evidence' there.