UFO & UAP 'Need to Know' News Documentary with Coulthart & Zabel | 7NEWS Spotlight

[Music] zabel at long last call tart i see you're the man in black did you make the arrangements did you get the car of course i got the car it's my car great to meet you buddy great to meet you this is about time and i see we got the memo we did actually yeah we're looking good we're ready for a road trip let's go let's do it cheers [Music] hello and welcome to this special edition of need to know and before i go any further i want to pay personal apologies to oliver stone for our gentle homage to his brilliant jfk movie in our opener both bryce zabel my co-host and i are fans so i'm ross coulthart and in los angeles my co-host in this show is bryce zabel g'day bryce good day roscoe you know it was funny watching that because it was such a dramatic moment for both of us i don't think people can appreciate it effectively what went on here here's the two of us who met during the pandemic by zoom became friends uh became colleagues said let's put on a show together came up with this need to know podcast did something like 17 or 18 episodes and then we met in person for the first time on the santa monica pier there it was really quite extraordinary and then of course having just met we go get in a car and start driving around california looking for ufo stories it was really really a special moment so bryce we're introducing a new audience to need to know in this show because this is a show that we're doing in collaboration with the network i work with in australia the seven network and it'll be going around internationally so i think we should explain who we are and what our show's about i'm ross coulthart i'm an investigative journalist that works for the seven tv network australia's top commercial tv network in australia i'm an investigative journalist of multi-award winning journal who've worked for newspapers television and radio in different networks around the world i've written books i've many books mainly histories but a few years ago i wrote a book about ufos uaps unidentified aerial phenomena my book is called in plain sight and frankly my life hasn't been the same since i wrote that book the volume the intensity of interest from all around the world has been insane you the audience you want to know more about this subject and that's what need to know is all about we're a news program that offers analysis insight and fresh information about the uap issue bryce how about you tell the public a little bit about yourself well you know that was my experience too dipping my toe in the water of this subject and then finding out how many people are so interested in it you know i first came to california where i live now uh years ago as a cnn correspondent worked as you were working now as an investigative reporter but mainly i embraced the entertainment industry and uh i on the ufo subject for example i wrote the first uh of uh original film that the sci-fi channel ever did on the ufo subject uh itself created a tv series called dark skies for nbc uh i've written a book about the topic myself uh mine is called a.d after disclosure which is sort of like what the world will look like after we all agree that uh we're not alone so yeah i think we both have had that experience where we've uh started to look into this thing and said i'm skeptical i don't know if there's going to be anything here and then the more you you look into it the more you realize well something actually extraordinary does seem to be happening so the way i look at the need to know program is that we just sort of saw a vacuum that we felt we could fill which was people are interested in this they're busy though they want to hear the facts but they don't want to spend uh you know three hours listening to a single podcast with someone they've never heard of they want to see people talking about it that's what you and i do now one of the joys of you and my me getting together has been that for the first time we've actually been able to get to meet each other and we've just done a bit of a road trip through california chasing up leads on the uap mystery and one of the things that i think to introduce a newcomer to this issue too is the days when you could dismiss ufos uaps as just tin foil hat craziness are well and truly over ever since june last year when the pentagon's uap task force filed a report with the congress ufos uaps have been acknowledged as an authentic mystery it was officially admitted by the department of defense that there is a phenomenon operating in our skies our oceans and even we here in orbit which is being indisputably confirmed by high-end sensors seen by credible witnesses often military who are now overcoming the stigma and ridicule associated with uaps and coming forward with their testimony and bryce as you and i both know there's been secret evidence given before the congress which has now motivated the us congress to really do something about bringing out the secrets if there are any about this phenomenon oh i think there are but let me give our our listeners and our viewers a little uh historical background this thing really got on rails in 1947 that is 75 years ago when not only was there the kenneth arnold sighting up in washington state but that's also the the summer of roswell so that's when things started going on now we're 75 years later kind of crazy right that we're still talking about it well here's what's happened in the last five years that is extraordinary on december 17 2017 the new york times that august newspaper here in the united states decided to actually report that the u.s government had been investigating ufos for years and they talked about a case that we're going to be talking about in in just a few minutes but that was like the starters gun where people could say well wait maybe we should really look into this now there have been whistleblowers there have been reports and as you said this june 25th uh 2021 report was truly extraordinary it was a short report but what it did do is one thing that is is wild it said that they have looked into 144 cases uh that had happened since 2000 143 of them remained a mystery to them but they confirmed as you said one thing which is it's real now that violates what the us government had been telling people for many many decades which is for decades they've been saying yeah nothing to see here and and allowing people who had seen things to feel that they were a little crazy and uh and and a subject of stigma well that stigma is what is going away now that the government reports said they're real we probably don't make them and we don't think china or russia make them so i always say in this thing wow well if you do the math on that one who does that leave and that's why i think our real little road trip was interesting because it gave us a chance to get in a car spend a lot of time driving around and talking about this and talking to some really informed and intelligent researchers and other people on this topic and i i think i'm very excited to show people some of that product now one of the first witnesses that we met on our road trip was ryan graves he's a former very advanced fighter pilot who was working with the us navy a few years ago when there were very strange encounters off the east coast of america these were encounters that happened in about 2014 2015 as the aircraft carrier uss theodore roosevelt was working up to travel to the middle east and they were doing rehearsals for war just off the east coast of america now what happened during those training incidents is what has essentially changed ryan graves life he's gone to the congress since he experienced these things and testified about what he and his colleagues are aware of here's what ryan graves the former f-18 fighter pilot says he and his colleagues have witnessed off the east coast of america as my my colleague was flying out to the area his wingmen was off his wing as expected um about 100 feet or so and right as they passed through the entrance of the working area one of these objects apparently was right right at the entrance uh it went by the lead aircraft somewhere you know again we have to guesstimate somewhere around um you know no further than about 50 feet and you know they almost hit this object and they never had it on their radar at this point we were aware there are physical objects so if he had on his radar he would have maneuvered around it um we were already briefing this as a safety hazard at this point what did this object look like right yeah when he came back to the ready room he described it with his mouth open and he said i almost hit one of those damn things and then he described it as a as a dark gray or black cube and that was inside a translucent or clear sphere where the kind of apexes of that the cube were touching the inner surface of that sphere i mean that's how he described well we talked to ryan graves the pilot that you just heard from literally is the first part of our road trip as part of our need to know podcast and what ryan said is extraordinary he was one of the people that briefed congress and and part of his briefing that was so extraordinary is that he said these things happened all the time sometimes daily uh and of course many of them 50 to 100 at a time and that they were strange beyond belief uh the idea of uh being followed by what amounts to a sphere with a cube inside it i mean come on i mean if i put that in one of the screenplays that i write i'm not sure that anybody would find that credible and yet that's exactly what this uh pilot ryan graves was saying i i find it incredible ross that we have somebody of that merit talking and he's not alone and that it's still not the top news story of the day i agree with you bryce and the interesting thing about this is that for much of the last five decades the us air force has influenced air forces around the world defence departments all around the world in the position that is officially put about ufos there's been a stigma and a ridicule attached to the subject matter of ufos uaps in a way that frankly i believe is not justified the standard line has been to not answer the question air forces the u.s air force in particular have consistently said it's not a national security issue it's not a flight safety issue and what ryan graves evidence shows is that it is a national security issue it is a flight safety issue and that is why his evidence to the congress has been absolutely key in convincing key congressmen and senators to understanding why this matters and for the first time the congress is now moving with key legislation that will essentially mandate reporting about uaps in a way that frankly has never happened before we asked ryan what he thought this phenomenon was what was going on inside the government and he's a very thoughtful fellow this is what he said you know i don't know either way where where the truth lies but i will say that from from my perspective as a former you know tactical aviator having these objects overhead any of our naval assets is a big no-no um it's just completely unacceptable to think that either we're we're allowing these things to operate because we are afraid to actually look at this problem in the face and and treat it seriously or we find ourselves in some type of conflict that the general public's not necessarily aware of but either way we can't be we can't be having objects flying over our ships without the ability to stop it one of the things bryce that we asked ryan was what he thinks is going on is there a cover-up is there an attempt by the air force in particular to conceal what it knows i think his analysis is important so this is what he told us i have to assume that they know much more than the public's telling us i mean we know for a fact that these objects are out there and we have a bunch of radar data that shows us how they perform so without question the the us government is aware of information that the general public is not why is it classified why wouldn't they release it i don't know i don't think it's a sustainable position to say that there's a massive aviation safety risk going on and near mid-air is happening but not to share that information with our commercial aviation sector so um you know i think that they're in a position now that there's enough energy behind this that the normal excuses just aren't going to work anymore i i don't think the normal excuses are going to work anymore but let's talk about what those normal excuses were going back to 47 through the 50s the 60s the 70s the 80s the 90s the thousands i mean was the u.s government basically saying nothing to see here folks and they would say over and over uh we're not looking into it they did look into it from 52 to 69 with a project blue book many people have heard about but it wasn't until the 2000s where harry reid got some money he was the senate majority leader got some money to start an office that would look into it and that leads to uh the other uh extreme case that people have heard about that is the 2004 uss nimitz case which uh uh in involved a an up close encounter with what people call the tic tac uh it was like a a large unidentified aerial phenomena craft and it was pacing our our own craft it went from 80 000 feet to right above sea level in seven eighths of us of a second i think is what what we've been told i mean there's just so much out there and the government now seems to have pivoted and they are now saying not don't nothing to see here they're saying well let's start with 2004. let's start with the nimitz and let's talk about that so i think what's interesting is we are having a lot of new discussion from people who are stepping out of the shadows and god bless them for doing it but we've also had an enormous history that one of the things that we like to do on need to know is to compare the things that happen in our history with what's going on now they're not that dissimilar the difference is the public and the media and the government and scientists are all starting to wake up and operate as if the stigma isn't as strong as it used to be which it's not and that means we're likely to start to get some some better information and that's happening right now and what's really interesting is that it's intensifying ryan graves has said this to us that there's increasing frequency of these sightings now it's happening not just in america it's also happened i'm told with ships and aircraft in the middle east in combat zones so whatever the phenomenon is it's showing itself more often which is fascinating now one of the people who knows a great deal about this is a filmmaker by the name of jeremy corbell who seven network viewers in australia would know he's made quite a few appearances before with seven digital jeremy's a filmmaker who has some incredible sources inside the u.s military and intelligence services and about a year ago he was dropped some very interesting videos a series of videos that show incidents where uaps allegedly swarmed around u.s navy ships again operating off the west coast of california now what's very very interesting is that in the mid-may hearings two months ago in the u.s congress two intelligence officials in what were the first ua p hearings in half a century they poured cold water on those videos that jeremy corbell had obtained they suggested that what those objects were were drones this is the key exchange with one of those intelligence officials in the us congress in mid-may with respect to the second two videos showing the small triangles the hypothesis is that those are commercial drones that because of the use of night vision goggles appear like triangles is that the operating assessment some type of of drone some type of unmanned aerial system and it is simply that that light source resolves itself through the um through the night vision goggles onto the slr camera as a triangle that hearing happened on may 17th of 2022 and it was very exciting for a lot of people that there were going to be ufo hearings because there haven't been any since 1968 and here we were having another one it was kind of a letdown to have the two people that the department of defense sent over behave the way those two witnesses did that's why we thought it was so important to get jeremy corbell's response to this very strong impression that the u.s navy uh was trying to get across that there was just nothing to these videos and and they literally used the phrase commercial drones and uh that's not what he thinks they are nor is that what a lot of people think they are there was just a lot of problems with the drone explanation because no one could explain and here's the key where do all these drones come from if you've got 50 or 100 drones out in the middle of the ocean where are they coming from how are they being dispatched where do they go to after they've done their thing so there that's there was a bolt carrier called the bass strait that passed through the fleet that ross was talking about at one stage but at crucial times during these sightings it was actually tied up at the dock in san diego so as you're going to see jeremy corbell was what i would describe as defiant in the face of the us navy's explanation he's very clear from his sources that the drone's explanation it just doesn't wash what i do know is that they were either uninformed or there was an intentional application of trying to dismiss what's going on by showing one piece of actually six pieces of corroborative evidence that i provided to the public they showed only the uss russell so then we come to this extraordinary video which shows a hovering object which is near the uss omaha and i do not think the drone's explanation given by the director of navy intelligence deputy director of navy intelligence scott bray explains this object it's one of the corbell videos that the navy still has not explained i defy anyone to say that this is a drone okay pause that so this is so this is yeah this is very interesting so did you hear the other ships were just called out by that crewman all those other ships called out definitively were having the same type of encounter at the same time now there were others with the same object with the same types of objects swarming their ships wow so yeah so that that's what people kind of miss on this is that it's not just one ship or one piece of evidence it's corroborative visual evidence to a mass scale event people get upset when i say it was like about 100 plus objects well i have been very clear on that you take the number of ships the average number that are seen at the same time and you add that up you have massive swarms what i find very interesting is what happens next so they're marking bearing and range and they're saying splash they don't mean that there's a literal splash that it went into the water so subsequently after this immediately after they did send a submarine to go look for wreckage key point here that's one of the five observables isn't it right that is that is understood to be one of the five observables it's either gone stealth or it's gone instantaneous velocity right i don't know to be honest i don't know i mean we just don't know it just disappeared yeah yeah that's that's medium well yeah and it's going transmedia yeah you know it's interesting ross when we first started talking on this show today we were talking about how ufos unidentified flying objects were now being called uap which is unidentified aerial phenomenon and and that doesn't actually cover everything because what we're seeing is a trans-medium kind of thing let me explain what transmedium is an object that can go from water to the air or to space or from space to air to water that's what people are seeing they are seeing these objects that are not limited to just flying objects some of them are under water going hundreds of knots uh and and that's pretty fast underwater we don't have anything that does that so that's kind of the key for jeremy's explanation that this drone thing doesn't wash at least for him because they're trans medium and what explains that what drone is transmedium it appears and they wrote this in the briefing this again this is not me this is in the o i briefing i put out it said they believed it appears to go into the water that would mean a trans medium vehicle they actually sent a submarine to go look for wreckage or the craft and nothing was recovered or found and that's something i've reported on that i stand by excited to be true so this object you see it the shape of it is most likely the actual shape of this thing there's estimates of size and it goes into the water now didn't make a physical splash that's not what they're when they say splash fast that just means we've got something that has because i actually see it move it just one minute yeah so some people have another theory about this that it's not necessarily trans medium that it is uh changing states again i'm i'm not qualified to answer you go talk to some physicists but one thing for sure we don't have technology like that not known sadly that is true that we don't have effective trans medium vehicles these craft appear throughout history to be able to penetrate those boundaries between space air and sea without the same type of friction shielding that we would need and it's not you saying that it's the only that's saying that oh no for that part yes so brice it's really clear that from what jeremy corbell is saying the naval intelligence boss scott bray really hasn't addressed what he means when he says that objects like the uss omaha object could possibly be a drone that simply doesn't explain what's being seen there it's either disappeared because of hypersonic velocity or it's gone transmedium it's dropped into the water what kind of drone does that the other thing too is and i've got huge respect for jeremy kelbel's sources i mean i i wish i could say what i know about some of jeremy corbell sources they are very very impressive and the other thing that he's aware of that he's quite defiant on is his strong belief that the united states government is in possession of non-human yes alien technology this is what jeremy says do you believe that the united states and other governments in this world have recovered non-human technology yeah i i don't have the luxury of disbelief about that i am uh with high confidence i can tell you that we have materials that we cannot replicate that appear to have been made somewhere else and and not just materials but craft and i've said it before and i've got no problem saying it to you again you can discard it as a belief but it's an informed belief that we do have vehicles and we do have materials that that we don't know who made them we don't know where they were from and importantly they're intelligently controlled yeah yeah this is not a matter of belief either these objects or these craft that just completely outpace what we have and have been doing so ever since we've had flight that's the thing it's been around for a while these are under intelligent control now who is the intelligence behind this is this an artificial intelligence like you'd see in a drone well even drones have operators so there is some entity behind this you know an intelligent entity now people like to throw out these terms i have no idea where ufos are from i have no idea but there is an intelligence probably beings that are behind these machines someone made them they've got to be factories well you made a point earlier saying that the government for years said nothing to see here yeah they either dismissed it or said we've looked into it and there's nothing well you know the thing about this whole drone thing we could talk drones for hours and and we have literally on our show before who's making these drones are are china russia the united states private enterprise capable of making drones like that and and do they explain the trans-medium that's a whole issue that we've already addressed but the other issue is if you put this in the historical context which again is kind of a horse i like to ride if you think about it go back to 1947 and the 50s and the 60s when these same kind of things are being reported and do you really think that anybody from those three countries or anywhere on earth was making drones that were capable of doing that in the 40s and 50s i mean clearly not so to have this argument about drones now i mean yes there is drone technology out there the united states has it and and so do others but nobody seems to have a drone capable of doing this and and even if they did and they don't it would not explain the 75 years of all this other stuff so it is kind of an interesting uh connection that we have to to look at there the other thing that's important is that not only have these sightings been going on since well before now since the 1940s and earlier there's also been key locations where a lot of these sightings have occurred and one of the fun parts of our road trip was when you and i went to sea we actually went out off the coast of california on a launch to go to the areas where these sightings have occurred and one of the people that went with us is a ufo investigator researcher by the name of ben hansen tell us a little bit about ben bryce i understand he's a good friend of yours and you've worked with him before he is ben hanson is a good friend uh i know him very well and he's uh just a he's a brilliant skeptic at being able to look at things and reason through them by the way santa barbara was fantastic it's not not far from where i live but i've never gone up there and gone out on a boat looking for uap so that was pretty extraordinary part of the the entire trip now ben hansen is interesting because he used to work for the fbi he's an ex-fbi agent a crime scene investigator and he is extremely knowledgeable in that kind of level and he's also taken it upon himself to learn everything possible about all the night vision camera technology that's that is out there and so it was fantastic that ben hansen was able to meet us up in santa barbara and go out on that boat with us because he gave us kind of a sense of of all the anomalous behavior that is happening in that area and by the way you know where we're talking about going isn't that far from where the uss nimitz thing happened back in uh 2004. it's just a couple hundred miles to the south and a little bit out to the the west so uh it was fascinating to do it i thought he had a lot of interesting things to say and a whole new perspective in particular bryce one of the things that he drew our attention to was quite interesting magnetic anomalies that happen exactly in the area where the 2004 uss nimitz sighting occurred have a listen to what ben told us well this whole channel that we're in from santa barbara to catalina and including an island known as san clemente right off here on the back is really unique right because you have an area of tectonic um anomalies you got a lot of fault lines going through here so this but also big big lumps of land rubbing yeah plates clashing against each other and and geologists don't even know how some of these things are formed you have here the catalina crater and what's called the emery knoll right next to it now these two features lie right off the coast of a very very deep trench over four or five thousand feet and along with this we have these magnetic anomalies now look what's right off the back side of san clemente so this that's a huge catalina yeah this gray color depicts the strongest practically the strongest magnetic intensity that you can have now what does it mean that's what we're interested in because the the nimitz uh videos the sightings of people that have been talking to me see things between the channel and the coast all the way up to santa barbara all the way down here of objects entering the water so you don't think it's a coincidence that there's a huge magnetic anomaly there no i there's a lot of theories now this sounds really strange right but one theory is as we believe that some of these craft have a propulsion system that creates its own magnetic uh field right sure so if you wanted to hide that if let's say set up a base of operations where would be the perfect place to do it in a place that already has a natural feature that can hide or cover up any signatures that you're putting out one of the interesting things i thought going out with ben tatus is that it isn't just the government that gets to decide what we know and when we get to know it anymore a lot of the technology that was only in the u.s military or the militaries of the rest of the world uh going back into days gone by has now devolved into the hands of citizens so if you take a look at the the technical capabilities that ben hansen was able to marshal for us to go looking ourselves it is extraordinary and that's what gives me a lot of hope ross to be honest with you about how we're going to get the answers to this i mean i hope that the government is sincere i hope that these new hearings do happen i hope that senators and congress people who have been briefed and know that there's something going on and we need to address it i hope that they get to work on it but i guess my sense is whether they do or they don't do all of those things it's time for us the people to sort of take this on ourselves we've got the technology we've got the data we can generate new data and so uh i think looking forward to the future we can say the the public itself may find out enough about this phenomenon that they are able to push the government into further disclosures at least that's my take the fact that it's now possible for journalists like ben hansen to obtain military-grade non-exportable night vision gear that allows you to see very clearly at night it's quite extraordinary and one of the things i found quite fascinating is whilst we didn't see any strange anomalous objects that night that we were out there with him he told us that frequently he does we see a lot of things in in orbit and suddenly they'll start changing directions doing s turns really um disappearing or or reappearing you know so is there anything else is there anything of our technology in orbit that can do s turns not at that altitude you consider that they're they're falling at about 17 500 miles an hour so if in real time you're turning that quickly not only could the craft not survive the g-force but occupants couldn't unless you're using some sort of inertia displacing you know propulsion you know there's no question uh that when we talk about uap these days we have to make one thing very clear which is somebody's making them the government's already admitted they're real so somebody's making them and this new technology that has devolved into the hands of private citizens as well as interest groups is allowing us to perceive more accurately every single day whoever is leaping into our world and if it is another intelligence uh our ability to perceive them is growing all the time and gives us more confidence that we might finally know what's going on now i want you to know that um i thought hanging out on a boat with you and driving all over california and experiencing our heat wave together that was all fun but we had to divide and conquer at a certain point for myself i'm writing a scripted uh podcast called undeniable that is about how the world is going to change after we admit that uh we're not alone and uh so i had to go meet a deadline on that but you got the you got the plum assignment my friend you got to go talk to dr gary nolan and i'm just going to let you take that one away yep professor gary nolan is one of those precocious minds that when you meet them you know you're in the presence of awesome incredible intelligence he's a stanford university-based professor of immunology at the moment he's a nominee for the nobel prize he's one of the most reputable immunologists on the planet extremely well regarded he's got multiple patents huge numbers of papers that have been published in his name he's got two companies listed on the nasdaq because of successful inventions that he's made he's just all around a complete total overachiever and one of the things that i loved in meeting him was his candor the fact that he was so prepared he's very fast becoming one of the public faces of ufo uap commentary he's decided to take a very public profile because he's actually an experiencer himself so when i asked him about the significance of the us government's admissions that have been made about uaps in the last 12 months i was quite shocked and surprised at what he told me professor how significant is it that the united states government came out a year ago and admitted that unidentified aerial phenomena are real whatever they are they're a real mystery i think it tells us that first of all the government has been lying to us for the last 60 or 70 years i think it gives solace to people who have been told that they were crazy to have been believing or seeing this so that to me at least from the personal point of view from the human point of view that's one of the most important things i know this is speculative but why do you think the u.s governments lied i think it's because frankly they didn't understand what it was and nobody wanted to admit that first of all but second they didn't want to admit that they didn't have control over our airspace we didn't have control over our own airspace so the government's been lying but do you think there's been a cover-up absolutely i mean there has been both uh a cover-up as well as a disinformation campaign to make people look like they uh were crazy see this is amazing to me to hear a scientist of your reputation saying this i mean you're one of the most eminent immunologists on the planet you're a nobel prize nominee you're somebody highly respected in your area of medicine is it a dangerous thing for you to admit that you think these things about the phenomenon i think it's dangerously necessary i think that this is the kind of thing that if we continue to ignore it if we continue to ignore the potential danger of what it might represent we are putting ourselves at risk both to what it might do to us and sometime in the future but then ignoring the physics of what these things are capable of doing let's talk about it what is it you know i wish i knew and of all the people that i've spoken with on the inside there's really very little unanimity about what it is except for that there whatever it is appears to be so far advanced from us that it beggars understanding so you don't think it's human i'm sure it's not human is it intelligent yes it certainly acts it and in some cases it seems to have a sense of humor so gary the implications of what you're saying there are enormous aren't they you're suggesting that there is a highly advanced civilization that is intelligent it's not human and it's real yeah i almost hesitate even to call it a civilization a civilization implies a lot of interacting parts that are moving towards some sort of goal i couldn't even say whether or not what it is that is being observed is something like that wow i mean i have listened to so many people talk about this topic over the years and i actually get a little excited when i see gary nolan talking about it because he's the perfect kind of witness he's credible to the nth degree nobody doubts he is who he is nobody doubts that he's important and nobody doubts that he's thought so much about this entire uh issue that that confronts us so when he voices his opinions like that ross i mean i get goosebumps uh and the thing is he's just the first of many um if we were to spend the entire time just talking about all the different people who are starting to step forward now and tell their stories whether they are some might be experiencers but others are pilots like ryan graves and and and then you've got louis lozando who uh has become sort of the face of the uap thing over the years and he has been talking since uh 2017 about this and now i almost thought lou elizano was getting overexposed and i wondered is gary nolan the new lou elizondo i think he might be because he is a a profoundly interesting person to hear talk about it now having said that and talked about how incredibly potent he is as a communicator on this issue i have to say we need to bring up the whole concept of the wilson davis memo now i know there are people listening and watching who go i don't know what that is a lot of people do but for the people who don't know what it is i'm going to let you set that one up so the important thing to understand about the wilson davis memo is that it's a document allegedly written by a guy called dr eric davis who's an astrophysicist of great renault now working for a government corporation called the aerospace corporation and it wasn't meant to become public it's a document that purportedly records eric davis's conversation with admiral tom wilson who at the time was the immediate past director of the defense intelligence agency the if you like top spy agency for the defense department of the united states and in that conversation if it is a true record of what actually happened to tom wilson tom wilson allegedly described a ufo crash retrieval program being concealed inside u.s government and private corporate aerospace it's an incredible conspiracy but the amazing thing is in my interview with professor gary nolan professor gary nolan confirmed he believes that the memo is authentic and that it records real events have a listen to what gary told me are you aware of a document called the admiral wilson document yes do you think it's genuine yes wow i mean i know eric davis and um you know eric is uh of a kind of character that it's just impossible for him to lie the significance of that document is that the former immediate director of the defense intelligence agency admiral thomas wilson allegedly had a conversation with dr eric davis a renowned physicist where he imparted his discovery that there was a secret ufo reverse engineering program going on inside the us government where they were hiding recovered spacecraft and it was being hidden in private aerospace in a private aerospace corporation the journalist in me gary thinks americans can't keep secrets i mean everything leaks in this country and this is an example of it okay so you take that point yeah ultimately it did leak ultimately it leaked but was interesting was that how it was found it was found in edgar mitchell's uh effects after he died uh so it wasn't like anybody went out of their way to put it out there and it had an apollo 14 astronaut rachel yeah and eric davis had written it and i don't know what the story was as to how edgar uh got dr mitchell got a hold of it but nobody was looking to actively reveal this it was the work of journalists who finally got a hold of edgar's materials who decided to release it um so it why would eric davis lie about writing something that he never intended to go public in the first place he was just doing what an intelligence agent does on a regular basis which is write reports of what it is that they've been doing and eric quite conspicuously has never made any comment one way or the other about the veracity of the document right well he can't can he he can't but well before this came to light i already knew of the document so uh because you know eric was part of a group that i was associated with around this the implications of that are mind-blowing gary i mean this conversation you've told me that you you believe on evidence that there is a non-human intelligence of advanced technology on this planet right advanced capabilities now i don't know whether it's a technology per se because i'm leaving open the idea that it's some form of consciousness that is non-material and i know mike say to my colleagues out there i know this all sounds absolutely crazy but if you've seen the things that i've seen you would only be able to come to a similar conclusion uh you know i and i know again my reputation takes a hit i'm sure that there are you know prizes and other things that i am never going to get because i'm talking about this that's nowhere near as important as the subject matter to me the best science isn't it is when you go against the grain yeah well that's the you know thomas kuhn's book the structure of scientific revolutions uh eventually the anomalies and the things that don't fit the picture add up to the point where you can't ignore it anymore and so that's what has just recently happened we're watching a cunyan moment so we like to talk about provenance in the ufo business where did documents come from how was a photo taken who handled it who didn't handle it so what i find so interesting about the wilson davis memo is how it came to us there was an astronaut edgar mitchell uh from apollo 14 i think he was the the pilot and for for apollo 14. and uh he was very active in the uap movement he passed away a few years ago and when they were going through his things they found this memo in it so it isn't like somebody just leaked it uh it was like something that edgar mitchell had been holding privately and then it got out so i think the provenance is interesting on it but when gary nolan says oh yeah that's the real thing i get i get shivers on that one too because of what it says and as you said ross it it wants to say that there is a crash retrieval and reverse engineering program not being done right now by the us government but being done by private enterprise now why would that happen it would happen because the department of defense and the government knows that these foia freedom of information requests can pull documents out of the u.s government but there's no way to pull a document out of a private enterprise so that may explain a lot of things yeah i don't think we can overestimate the significance of somebody like professor gary nolan who's a close personal friend of eric davis and very much an insider the thing about gary is he's plugged into the intelligence community he's been working with the cia doing secret investigations for the cia into military and intelligence personnel including pilots who've been exposed to uaps he's very highly valued and very well regarded inside the us intelligence and defense community so to have somebody of his reputation saying what he says is quite awe-inspiring the other thing bryce that he astonished me with was his candor about his own personal reasons for why he takes the uap issue seriously because professor gary nolan is an experiencer ever since he was a child he's had weird encounters experiences that he can't explain have a listen to what he told me so i was a paper boy uh this was in connecticut windsor connecticut uh and there was a man at the end of this of this one of the streets uh who needed his paper by 5 30 in the morning uh and so i would always be there so i knew about the time it was dark it was march or so and i would deliver i delivered his paper and then there was basically a cops of woods through which i had to walk to get to the next street to walk the other way and deliver the papers there um and uh because it was march there were no leaves on the trees and as i was walking through the woods i could see my shadow in front of me and the shadows of the branches around me which first kind of caught me off guard because it i don't i didn't remember the moon being out but what was more i guess dramatic was that the shadows began to move uh as they got as uh as i was walking and they were moving as if the there was a light behind me that was moving which caused me to look up and see an object right at the top of the trees go right over my head silently now sort of object it just was a kind of roundish object with i remember kind of like four or five whitish lights pointing down uh and but you know i think i can't even remember how old i was 10 or 12 whatever whatever it was no i wasn't scared because i didn't know what it was and i didn't immediately say to myself this would have been 1972 73 and i didn't say oh there was a ufo because i didn't even know what a ufo was and it really wasn't until about 20 years or so later that as i paid attention as anybody does to movies and things and ufos and it kind of clicked in my head i said wait what was was that what i saw and so you know this is that story is like the story of of many people and so i now look at that as let's i would call it again preliminary evidence preliminary data said okay well that's worth understanding and if other people are seeing the same thing that's a kind of confirmation so why are people i i as i've told you in prior conversations why are these people being derided for just reporting what they've seen because if it is something else like that it should be it should interest any scientist in my mind you have had other experiences too haven't you yeah can you talk about those you know this is probably the more unusual one and again it's i i'm hardly the only individual to have had this is you wake up as a as a young boy i would have been probably six or seven because it was in our first house uh that we my parents had bought in windsor uh of little men in the bedroom you know i mean i was awake i knew they were there i could see them uh skid i can't remember being scared but i remember telling my parents the next day about it could it have been a dream it could have been a dream but when so here's the interesting thing something these little men in the uh in the bedroom um and uh it went on for i guess a few weeks and then it just stopped um so i promptly forgot about it but but what was what was critical was about 20 years again later actually here in palo alto i was at a used bookstore and i pulled out a book and i'm pretty sure it was it was either john max or whitley striber's book communion communion and there on the front cover was and i can feel the hair on my arms going up was what i saw that's the classic gray alien and i remember i dropped the book because it was like whoa and it was uh it was a revelation i guess you had another experience in london that i thought was quite important right yeah that was an interesting one because you know for no good reason uh lying there in the bed in the hotel i woke up with my entire body buzzing uh like uh i was sitting in an electric water bath and i've you know i've been in japan for instance where electric water baths are the kind of the thing this was a very different experience everything from the tip of my fingers down to the tips of my toes ears i could feel this buzzing i could hear it but at the moment of waking up there were and i don't even can't even call them words there was a let's say there was words in my head that said this is how you connect whoa and it but it wasn't that wasn't the word but that's the best translation of the moment uh and after about 10 to 15 seconds of this i just you know and this is why i don't think it was physiologic necessarily or some sort of odd physiologic effect i i just said this has to stop make it stop and it did well okay i mean it's a big deal when you start talking about crash retrievals because that involves wreckage it involves actual craft it involves reverse engineering it involves bodies that's kind of shocking but now we go into the experiencer column and to be honest with you part of me even though i understand that it's happening to him has happened to him if there is a stigma left it isn't so much the stigma of saying that ufos might be real that stigma's going away the stigma that that still seems to reside is the experiencer stigma because think about that that means that somebody non-human is taking people uh who don't want to be taken and doing things to them and nobody can do anything about it so if that was happening you'd say well why wouldn't the you know why does the government not disclose what it knows well if you were the president of the united states would you want to go on tv and say yeah they pull us out of our bedrooms and they do things to us and we can't stop it i don't think that's a winner in any political election so yeah i i take the experiencer uh experience that he's talking about i factor it in uh it's almost like i wish he didn't have to have that stigma around him because he's such an incredible witness uh outside of that but you got to take it with what it is and i i will say this um i've had a lot of experience with that experiencer thing um i've i'm pretty widely read and and knowledgeable about the betty and barney hill case for example which goes back to 1961 in america they were the interracial couple that first actually uh claimed to be abducted by aliens and there's been so many since then and when the hill case came out people were shocked they had to get more about it but they weren't so sure that was real and they didn't think it was common right it was this one strange moment in our history where this thing happened people thought but then as the years have go on gone on we get more and more people reporting this uh this thing is it real i don't know uh but it's real enough so bryce there is a story that you have been personally involved in that i find absolutely fascinating and it goes to the whole mythology that over the years the u.s defense and intelligence community has tried to influence what hollywood puts out now just to explain to our audience you are a very accomplished hollywood producer and screenwriter in your own right you're actually the former chairman of the emmy awards you've written multiple award-winning movies what happened to you and your colleague brent friedman when you were doing the launch party for your dark skies series just give us a bit of an introduction we're going to run a bit of an interview from brent friedman your colleague but just tell our audience what the context was for what brent's about to tell us well here's the interesting thing you talked about the mythology of the government uh and and some kind of symbiotic relationship with hollywood i don't know how extensive it's been although there are cases that go back to the uh frankly 1950 but i personally have experienced it with my dark skies television series co-creator brent friedman we created a series called dark skies that aired on nbc in the 90s at the same time the x-files was out i i should tell you and we had an incident that happened to us that i just have never heard anyone else have anything quite like it this is what happened we decided to have a dark skies premiere party uh for when the show was first going to air it was a two-hour uh episode it was on september 21st 1996 and we had a party 200 people who were cast and crew and the the network executives the studio executives and we had it at my house so there's that so we have all these people coming to my house to watch the show that has not yet aired all right and while that was happening uh we were approached by a gentleman who got into our my house a guy that got into my house i knew everybody else 200 people there knew them all didn't know this guy and he approached brent and myself as the co-creators of the show said he was from the office of naval intelligence and they wanted to help us i'm going to let brent tell a little bit more of the story now he was not a man in black he you know he looked like a young republican he looked like a young politician right if anything and he came up and introduced himself and uh said that he was a big fan of the show and he loved what he had seen and again the show is in the middle of a broadcast right for the first time on television and he's already talking about that he's seen the whole thing which struck me as odd and as we started to have a conversation um he had said yeah i just i was sent here by some very interested people to let you know that we really appreciate what you and bryce are doing with the show and we wanted to help and that was my reaction the very face you made was my face and um again i i can't tell you how surreal this was because i i'm trying to like keep an eye on the party but i'm talking to this guy and i'm i'm very confused as to who he is and why i'm having this conversation with him but it's kind of fascinating so i keep talking and i say well i don't i don't understand how do you think you can help and he said well you've actually got a lot of truth in your show but you can have a lot more if you work with myself and my partners we're prepared to come in and tell you some really interesting things and so this guy said well i'm going to let you get back to your party i've already taken up too much of your time um but i want to leave you with something i was like okay so i asked my wife do you have a paper and pencil or something in your purse so she pulls out something and she gives it to him and he starts to scribble down like she's he's writing on the on a checkbook a piece of paper on a check on her checkbook writes something down and he folds it up and he said do me a favor hold on to this put it in a safety deposit box and in about 15 or 20 years take it out and see if there's if this predicts any particular truth and i was like can i look at it now right and he said sure so i open it up and it's this weird formula it's like a weird math equation but with hieroglyphs and all sorts of stuff and i said well what is this and he said sound light and frequency secrets of the universe nice talking with you and then he walks over walks and he kind of goes into the bushes and he's gone my wife is like i know it sounds ridiculous but this is what happened did you witness any of this yeah yeah i did um it's almost interesting it would have been a great experiment to put brent in one room and me in another room and have us tell the story because i can confirm all of the details it was very antagonistic yeah um and the meeting ultimately went nowhere it's like i think i i got the sense that this guy that i met in bryce's yard who called himself jc that's all he would tell me about himself that he was trying to broker something with this military person from the navy um they started throwing around you know and i don't remember the differentiation but there was a group called the aviary and there was a group group called the aquarium there were different one aviary was the air force i think right and the aquarium the aquarium was trying to get the truth out and the av area was trying to shut it down and so these guys and so i i felt that jc was trying to negotiate something with the aquarium to get some truths out and television and they wanted to help us come up with some story ideas they did not want story credit and they did not want money in particular though i remember one thing that irritated them um we had a great i guess story line and and series laid out about a conspiracy right but one of the things that brent brought to the party uh because he had kind of a horror film background at that point is we added this thing where the aliens were we called it the ganglion and they would infest a person you know physically and so you had ganglions coming out of people's mouths and all that i remember they were like that's not the way it works okay and and we were like we don't care if that's the way it works it's the way it works in dark skies yeah it's a tv show but they were like no see you're setting everything back because that's not how they really do it so they wanted you to publish what they were saying was the truth yes yes yeah okay let's let's assume that's true for a moment why would any government agency that's presumably presiding over an intentional cover-up come to a tv program and try and sew it with aspects of the truth because jc said to me that this is it's a drip system right like get the truth out there in small ways and you have a television show that millions of people are watching right now some people will take it seriously and if we start lacing it with bits of the truth then we're preparing everybody so but so ross just to be clear they were they were on board with the alien invasion aspect of it they just were not on board with us telling it as a horror story yeah they had they had issues with that and and to answer your your question which is a really excellent one it's as as brent said they were looking at a disclosure scenario how how ultimately does this secret become known to the public and they said to us that you know pretty much what brent said earlier you just can't the president can't come out and say by the way here's everything and and all at once so they wanted to see more of the truth through fiction and in fact uh that which was exactly what our show was doing we literally told people in our sales materials when we sold the series that we had been approached to tell the story the true story uh under the cover of fiction could the whole thing have been just a gag you know was it possible that another tv network or some friend of yours was playing a game with you and that these guys weren't really from the office of naval intelligence well i i mean anything is possible i and i'm not i'm not saying that they were from naval intelligence i'm telling you what happened and as i experienced it they did say that it did happen there are multiple witnesses to this guy showing up he called himself jc and he he laid out his story and what they wanted us to do but the question is uh you know why would they want to help does anybody really want to help it's it's so strange one of the things that i will tell you that happened is that uh when you shoot a pilot in in the us for the for television lots of people actually are part of the process to make the pilot but they don't all get to see it all right so this guy when he showed up at my house the night of the premier party said he had seen the pilot and me kind of being you know well a skeptic like yourself i said oh yeah well what happens after lone guard sees the crop circle which i thought well that'll smoke him out pretty good and the guy said oh yeah well that's where they go back to the majestic 12 headquarters and they they they perform the surgery which is exactly what happens in the series and keep in mind do you think he was thinking do you think he was saying that some of what you were putting in your program was actually true even though you and brent had just made this stuff up that's exactly what he said he said uh that they had seen our pilot and uh they obviously had had i mean they had seen the pilot and that they thought it was very good and they i guess they thought there would be the drip drip drip of disclosure and we were part of telling the truth under the cover of fiction which was kind of the the way that we sold the dark skies series in the first place so i i guess what this fellow was saying is uh we think there are some things that you could put into your show that would be even more helpful now to that i said i'm a hollywood producer as you just pointed out i really don't want guys from o and i giving me ideas they're not going to be in our tv series or whatever but they did say that um they uh that for example uh one of the things in the dark skies series is there is a ganglion that kind of infests somebody's head and then it gets out of their head that's what bothered them uh ross they said well that's not the way it works and i said well i don't care how it works this is a tv series you know where we it's drama we make things up and he goes yeah but you know that one it's just not quite the way it works you could do better on that so i don't know you tell me so he's actually implying that there are aliens that are possessing people i think what he not necessarily i think what he was implying was you have turned uh the alien human conflict into a horror show right you're using the tropes of a horror film and i think what i took from it and i i could be wrong but what i took from it is he meant it would be more sophisticated like a like an implant that many abductees have stated they've got that it would be done more uh in a more sophisticated way which i agree probably is true but we were you know telling a dramatic story now bryce we've got to come to an end on this show but i can't let you go without asking you come on a napkin with the secrets of the universe sound light and frequency what what the hell does that mean i well i'll tell you something um i know it's easy to say what you just said i mean i i would say it myself to you if you were telling the story but i will say that when i was there and this happened i did not for a second think i was being goofed on by somebody i felt like this guy wrote this thing down it um i remembered it as a napkin brent remembers it as a just a regular piece of paper but he wrote this thing down that looked like a formula he did it quickly and he showed it to us and he said you should keep this and in a few years 10 15 years see how how it reads to you and i said what is it and he said sound light and frequency secret of the universe um now you you laugh uh but i remember i i saw tom delong not long ago i believe on the joe rogan show but it might have been some other show talking about sound light and frequency i know i was you just took my line i was going to say that's what chilled me out i sent a shiver down my spine when tom started talking about sound light and frequency and for people who don't know who tom delong is tom's the former lead singer of blink 182 punk pop rock band and he's also been behind the scenes and now more publicly a very public face for ufo uap transparency and in fact tom's one of the people i'd love us to get yeah we'll need to know so because he's one of my heroes i know a lot of us have given him a lot of stick tom i apologize for mocking your us accent in my book in plain sight in my audio edition but i can tell you the audience love you and so do we i i feel like ross that uh well first of all it was just great to meet you in person i i think it makes our shows even better uh it was certainly a strange moment in my life to have something like that happen and we had a great time out there on the boat literally as we were coming back we had a chance uh for for the two of us ross to sort of sit out there and enjoy uh being out on the ocean because it's lovely here in southern california although it's lovely in australia too but we got to get a little expansive and ask ourselves what does this all mean because no matter how much you study about it no matter how many cases you look into no matter what book you read or what report you read at the end of the day trying to figure out what it all means is the part that is so fascinating so speculation is required on that one i never get tired of thinking about it i'm not sure what the answer is but for me i think about all the things that we've talked to people about at the places we've been on this road trip and i i think of it as a giant puzzle and every person has a piece of that puzzle and the more people we've talked to the closer i'm getting but i'm not there yet the only thing i know is that there is a mystery that is real yes we're agreed on that yes there's a phenomenon that defies explanation apparently according to your government my government completely ignores it but there's a technology isn't there there's a technology and there seems to be a plan of some kind i can't say it's the best plan i don't know but someone has a plan to bring this to the forefront in a way that they had not done before yeah i actually do i mean i get the strong impression that inside the u.s government there are people who are trying to slowly bring to the attention of not just the american public but the world the fact that potentially and i'm not saying this for sure potentially we are not alone and if we're not alone and this has been known for as many years as we suspect might have been true it really does raise questions about what the rest of that story is that's the part of the puzzle i can't figure out i just can't figure out why these guys have kept it secret unless there is a good reason well there should be a good reason to keep it secret what that reason is i don't think we know yet but you're in no doubt like me aren't you that there's a reality there you can't dismiss this as a prosaic phenomenon you can't say it's there's not a weather balloon that can explain the tic tac you used to be able to do that when the government was saying nothing to see here and if you see anything you're either a liar or a hoaxer or whatever but now the government is is saying the opposite they're saying yes these things are real we just don't know what they are okay well if we've admitted they're real then well russ i'd say if they're real our job's just getting started it's exciting though very exciting i find it it's it's a profound story because ultimately what i think it's leading us to isn't just is there a technology there it's a consciousness it's an intelligence potentially isn't it if there is another technology out there that's not ours somebody made it and i'd like to know who that is i'm not excluding the possibility that somewhere someone a human has developed technology that is mind-bogglingly ahead of what we currently know about it's not impossible that somewhere in southern california there's an aerospace company that's developed antigravitics or free energy you know incredible capacities of room temperature superconductors but everybody's telling us it's not there yet i i'm willing to accept all that except for the fact that if it really started in 2004 as you mentioned at the beginning of this what what about going back to 1947 what about the 50s and the 60s that's the point did these technologies exist it's always been here [Music] i really feel uh as we drove around and met these people i just felt like we are on the cusp of history i i i don't know how you felt look i completely agree with you i i i get frustrated as an investigative journalist in mainstream media with the fact that so many of my colleagues in mainstream media are still locked into that paradigm of ridicule stigma and contempt for the subject of uaps the reality is that ever since the pentagon the the congress the department of defense made the admissions that have now been made it's not possible anymore to dismiss the phenomenon of uaps as a stigma with ridicule this is real whatever it is it's real we're not saying it's little green men from zeta reticuli but even former directors of the cia a director of national intelligence avril haynes they've all suggested that one possible explanation for what we're talking about is alien extraterrestrial it blows your mind and we i know we've talked about this uh at length we talked in the car we've talked over 17 or 18 podcasts it's it's it's a gift that keeps on giving and and i i have to say uh it's easy to say that there is a cover-up that can almost be proved right now uh it's also easy now to say that the phenomenon is real because the government is saying it where we all are living right now is trying to make sense of this okay if all these strange things have happened and they've happened for decades what does it all mean what does it all add up to and i say that only because i want people to understand that's why we're doing need to know we do this show because we want to know the answers as well as you do and we are your conduits we are going to look into everything we're going to talk to everybody who will talk to us and we're going to report back to the people who are are watching and where necessary and can we do this as often as possible let's go on a road trip more often bryce i thoroughly enjoyed getting to know you sharing a few ales with you in a few meals there's something also about pressing the flesh with people and getting to know them face up well i'd like to do those on the road routines more often the next one has to be in australia my friend uh that'll be fun uh and and i'll make you drive this time that's our workout and i think that brings this show for need to know to a close we'll be back very soon with more on need to know and if you want to watch it it's www dot need to know dot today bryce zabel in los angeles and ross coulter in sydney and i'll leave you with this folks we can handle the truth [Music] you

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Length: 78min 1sec (4681 seconds)

Published: Wed Aug 24 2022

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Road trip across the U.S. with Australian journalist Ross Coulthart and American Bryce Zabel, hosts of Need to Know podcast.

They talk with Ryan Graves, Jeremy Corbell, Garry Nolan and others.

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[u/Seiren]

Nice to see 'Need to Know' get some love.

[u/destru]

I really enjoyed this one, especially the story about the guy at the party giving the sound/light/frequency note. Weird stuff.

[u/quantumcryogenics]

Road trip across the U.S. with Australian journalist Ross Coulthart and American Bryce Zabel, hosts of Need to Know podcast.

They talk with Ryan Graves, Jeremy Corbell, Garry Nolan and others.

[u/0xNoComply]

I didn't understand why Ross said that the "sphere" showed one of the 5 observables @21:35 when it went into the water. That it either "cloaked" or showed "instantaneous velocity" - Ross I am sorry but it literally just drifted into the water. At what point didn't it fly away instantly or cloak? I guess technically it went "transmedium" as Bryce said quickly off the side... But still.

Overall I love need to know and always tune in. Glad to see this getting more attention. Love Ross and Byrce!

[u/cannibalisland]

warning: contains footage of jeremy corbell.

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[u/hermit-hamster]

Another Coulthart documentary, another mention of easily verifiable evidence, which it just doesn't bother to show.

Hell they didn't even bother with a half baked excuse. Just ... nothing.

Just show the piece of paper, or explain why we can't see it. And no, the line drawing of what looks like kerplunk is not an equation.

[u/Fightin_Soy_Boy]

Why are these dudes blinking so much!