A Coalition of Faith and Liberty with @Charlie Kirk, Jack Hibbs, Bob McEwen, Rob McCoy

hey everybody welcome to this episode of the charlie kirk show and we are here promoting turning point faith that is why we are here tpusa.com faith this is going to be broadcasted over many different channels on our podcast feed on the turning point usa youtube on jack hibbs youtube channel on rob mccoy's resurrected youtube channel if ever give it back to him and bob mcewen on your cassette tapes we are going to be broadcasting tpusa.com faith and just tell you about turning point faith uh we want to bring a coalition of liberty between churches and grassroots americans to try and save western civilization jack why is it so important that churches and pastors rise up and do that yeah listen first of all the foundation is the fact that the scripture teaches us that god's word is sure and certain we have departed from god's word many pulpits today do not believe in the inerrancy of scripture we've got to get back to the scripture back to the bible and back to our nation's roots a lot of people struggle with well that's political and that's faith when you go to the foundation of america it was all faith that drove this nation into existence we need to get back to a culture that honors god and does the right thing are you starting to see that change amongst other pastors at least in your region believe it or not we're starting to see that change in southern babylonia or california california southern california it's happening we're so excited and uh yeah it's changing and people are waking up to the truth so so rob and jack either of you could take this but what do you have to say for pastors that are listening right now or there are some people that sit on elder boards and they say we don't do that we don't talk about moral issues we just do the gospel i agree with you charlie politically i listen to the charlie kirk show i listen to you rob but that that's not for our church you know we we don't do that here why is that a misguided view does the gospel have something to say about their marriage does gospel have something to say about how to raise their kids how to educate their kids well it has something to say about politics and how your city is supposed to operate and your state and your nation so they they need to know that and and it's it's critical for them to know that but if they really believe in the separation of church and state if they've been inculcated with that now they're realizing wait a minute the the state is stepping into the church and and now they're awakening to that and they're asking the right questions how do we stop this infringement of our freedoms and the answer is always found in the church so rob you and i talked a couple years ago about the need for something like turning point faith and just again for people watching it's tpusa.com faith you've informally seen some of the pastors we have started to gather and educate and hopefully inspire talk a little about what you've started to see nationally from some of our friends from ken graves in maine to our friends in grand rapids michigan with pastor cody to pastor frank in chattanooga tennessee god is moving here every every one of these churches that opened up and defied tyranny in their state they've exploded exponentially in growth uh you you've baptized 2 000 people more than 2009 months we've baptized more people in six months and was at the attendance of our church six months ago you know ken graves has experienced that every church that's defied the tyranny it's true and has stood their doors are being darkened by people who would never darken the doors of a church and they're coming in droves because they're seeing that this this faith that they're espousing actually has legs on it and means something for their life because nobody wants to lose their freedoms and they're all seeing this infringement and those churches are open have the answers so so bob far too often we allow our political discourse to all of a sudden kind of go into this moment where we say we're not going to really call right from wrong you could do whatever you want to do which inevitably leads to tyranny how important is it that christians in the church actually start to get reengaged in this particular moment because absent a moral transcendent order then it's just one opinion over the other which you know what that means whoever has the bigger stick ends up winning and america wanted to abandon that you asked the question what would they do people are involved in the leadership of the church what if a person is really not involved in the church much at all or having a question spiritually why would turning point faith be of interest you know we're all have three parts we have a body all of us have one some have more than we wish we had but you have a soul and a spirit a soul is the mind or the will you make up your mind the will or the emotions but then the spirit if you don't understand the spiritual part you can't lead the spirit of the core of the esprit de corps the spirit of a nation leadership requires spirit spirit is is a spiritual encounter if a person doesn't understand that then all they do is focus on the flesh and so they're consumed by all of that and they miss what's going on in life and the benefit of turning point faith is that not only do we have to make the mental decisions understanding the history and and be and be informed not only do we have to have health and take care of ourselves and not allow people to steal it from us but then we have to have a spiritual aspect and the spiritual aspect of all the great leaders of our nation have understood and what this the church provides is access to a heavenly father who knows and loves us so if we're going to make a turning point for our marriage turning point for an individual we also have to have appreciation for a turning point of faith and you mentioned about the nation the nation that doesn't do that then it's only who has the bigger stick who has the bigger group and you can tell it by listening to a politician for 60 seconds when they talk about they talk about women's rights and they talk about hispanic rights they talk about there are no blonde left-handed rights there's only rights that come from god and they gave them to all of us and as long as we did so then we were one as a nation the idea to separate us out by skin color or by gender or by anything else that is what separates america and what what does faith do faith brings us together so it's an essential ingredient in all that we're doing and and jack if not the church then who well exactly that there's there's no other hope the only hope for the united states which by the way is the only hope for all nations doesn't have what the scriptures say old testament to new testament the hope of the nations is the lord jesus christ himself it's got to be the church it was the church at the beginning of this nation a lot of people and i'm sad to say there's pastors that don't even know what the magna carta is or the mayflower let's talk about that what is the magna carta jack it's probably the the foundational birth certificate of what we know in our liberty and freedoms today from the magna carta and that declaration of individual rights and freedoms that have been given to us by god our original founding fathers bradford and those on the mayflower their next authorship was the mayflower compact and it tells you right there that there's these structures these rules guardrails i'll call them that are given to us by god and from those writings we talked earlier before about john locke yeah i think 1500 scripture references that john locke wrote from scripture regarding the government of man yes and how we should live i mean it's overwhelmingly obvious that we're created by god he has based he says uh his image in us we think freedom we know what tyranny is look what's happening right now in afghanistan we're watching the big stick overrule the freedom and the love that people have to be free and and it's so important you mentioned the magna carta and the mayflower compact the mayflower compact was written actually at sea amongst people that did not even know they were going to survive the trip and not all were believers that's that's what so it was 120 families i think i could be wrong with the number uh and there were some defectors too some people didn't even sign it they just left and you know they went who knows where they went but if you read the mayflower compact it's so tightly written but it's basically if we survive here's what we're going to agree to in a transcendent order here's how we're going to govern ourselves what's amazing it was an impromptu kind of ad hoc creation in the middle of a storm of how does one govern themselves when you go to something barren that is lock's question isn't it yeah of who is a man in the state of nature yeah rob and they were blown off course they were supposed to go somewhere completely different they would have been under the authority of the king had they not been blown off that's right and they they ended up in a place where they had to come up with their own political structure and so and and part of that is a declaration of the the furtherance of the gospel uh that's in the in the making says so yeah the glory of god and the fathers of the gospel further into the gospel and then the magna carta is this idea that which came a couple hundred years ago 100 years before 20 or 12 19 or something and they were stating that the king may be the sovereign but he has limited rights over man because there are there are rights that we're given by god that no man can take and so that was the first of self-rule that started to establish um in the world especially six thousand years of recorded history and you talk about the 5 000 year leap yes i was right it was 12 15. right around there i was off by a year um so yes the 5 000 year leap which we take for granted in this kind of construct of the founders but this idea of how does one govern themselves has been the great question of human existence and only thanks to the bible and understanding the bible and applying it through obedient teaching can you even get to a construct that respects the natural law and now a republican style of government we didn't invent that the greeks tried it the italian city states tried it tried it but if you read federalist 48 and federalist 52 and federalist 60 they mentioned the italian city-states so many times and what happens is they crumble once they get too big they crumble because of licentiousness because of greed because of incurring territories so the question of the founders and i'll give this to you bob that hamilton madison and jay were wrestling with in the anonymously written newspaper articles in new york written as publius can we have a big small our republican style of government how is this possible it's dependent upon the you cannot have human liberty without having a heart that's constrained and an uncontrolled heart leads to chaos and so some there has to be outward control either everybody is disciplined either from within or without and if you're undisciplined within then you end up in jail because they they force you what to do and what they pointed out in in the founding of our nation is that we have to be constrained by what god says and if we do then we'll prosper you mentioned about locke and and and the second treaties every member of the constitutional convention had a copy of that on their desk so they referred to it repeatedly that's that's why we brought it up here well and they also they knew their hobbs too and so this is very important is that thomas hobbes is with the other social contract theorist who wrote the book leviathan and fauci and many of the leaders today they are disciples of hobbes which is that people are awful to each other they're nasty they're brutish we would agree with that observation of human nature but then hob says therefore they need a strong government that's right and so the founders knew that they said man that's not how god wants us to live right he doesn't want us to live with this kind of tyrannical experienced a a church government of that sort talk about that well the catholic church had that hierarchical heavy-handed centralized government that dominated western europe europe and western europe and western and so with the reformation uh that's where this idea of this exploration of civil government came about with the geneva bible and then taking a look as tyndale had written that word in in matthew 16 18 isn't church it's ecclesia which means assembly or public square and and i love the study you've done on that that it existed hundreds of years before christ co-opted it that's right and aristotle used it plato uses socrates used it and it was it was dealing with the citizens in that community how they would live and they would they would work for the laws in that ecclesia and and now jesus says the gates of hell will not prevail upon this ecclesia this public square i will build my church gates enslave and so they're setting people free and they knew that this this oligarchy it would just manifest itself whether it's a pope or a king it's not freedom for man and so that that was the transition and that's but why why is the public square such an important topic why is it the target what happens in the public square laws laws laws are passed habits customs exactly obedience you either going to serve what comes out of the public square or you're going to serve whatever comes out of the public square right if it's tyranny if it's the leadership that we're exactly right if we're if we're seeing this happen now look we're hailing from california we have seen governments say this is the church they not only said this is the this is what the police will do and this is what the city council will do and this is what the county is going to do this is what the church is going to do and that's where as believers turning point faith that's where this stops for us the christian should be the best citizen hands down of anybody in the community but when an edict comes that has no regard for god then we've got to obey god charlie i i want to say thank you to turning point because the idea of turning point faith when when jack and i were under the gun in california and we we were facing uh we call him governor nussolini when we were facing him and he was coming after us and we stood our ground because he he may be the governor but he doesn't have power over god and his bride the church and and you stood with us and and all of the resources but but still there weren't a lot of people out there and all the resources of turning point and all the encouragement and especially the social media following it put a light on it and then they backed off they backed off with us they backed off on you so what i could tell you is this and bob i want to get your comments on this when we started to really highlight jack and rob what you were doing we'd get messages from the buckle the bible belt in mississippi in alabama in south carolina in georgia and texas i wish i had a jack kibbs and rob mccoy in my local area and it's whoa all of a sudden it's the people that are in the remnant of tyranny that are now fighting for liberty and the people that kind of have it in alabama and mississippi where they're a little less likely to kind of contest not to say there's no good pastors in alabama that's not my point but there definitely was at least from the messages we got kind of a desire for this sort of a pastor and kind of where it was a little bit more of a comfortable scenario wasn't the case is there somebody said bob that in a kind of weird turn of events some of all of this tyranny authoritarianism the mass mandates the vaccine mandates is that going to in some ways create an equal and opposite reaction where we're going to all of a sudden see bold and greatest pastors unlike ever before i certainly pray so because i didn't think that we would be in this condition to start with if you would have told me two and a half years ago if you told me that the stalin lands in new york and gave an edict to americans close all your churches for the rest of the year if hitler had marched down pennsylvania avenue and said close all your we would have stood up we'd never think about such a thing but we have these governors these mayors these people sitting around this governor up in oregon says that churches can't even gather kate brown and the idea that those people and that here's the point though it goes to the heart of your question the idea that americans succumb to it was a real startling to me i agree and when i would see these young girls snap and bark at you for not having a diaper on your face the idea that hanging toilet paper from your nose will will stop a disease it is so fascinating that people were so enamored by it and would succumb to it was was truly startling so and answer your question i think now people are going to see the separation and we've seen how vulnerable we were that we were willing to allow people just to write a piece of paper and the the the the cdc in atlanta who are elected by no one and not a person can tell me who they are make an order to say that you cannot charge rent in your in in your apartment in california and americans will succumb to it that's what very dangerous and i would just say as a having served in government that that is very frightening to me because america cannot be free if americans do not want to be free and what we now see the distinction we see the difference and people need to from now on no more sleeping because the the the gate the the barbarians are at the door and we must stand up it takes us to what you're doing here charlie people did the stupidest things because they were terrified because of fear yes the faith went out the window the fear came in and reduced them to a nerve ending so let me ask you this some well-meaning christians email me they say charlie i know i'm not supposed to have a spirit of fear but rationally and reasonably i'm very afraid of getting the virus because of this reason and this reason and that reason how do we balance not not having um because you know aristotle talked about having having the moderation of all things right so you don't want to all of a sudden kind of drive you know on one hours of sleep and not wear your seat you know like you don't want to be reckless right how do you balance that yeah first of all this is a good warning how many people in 2020 and 2021 have died of heart attacks bronchial infections diabetes we don't know i've got doctors who have told me we don't know because everything has been labeled and wrapped around covet for example that fear factor has skewed everything we've had scientists tell us we won't know the data regarding the future it messes up everything but having said that what are we afraid of well i'm afraid of getting it are you afraid of getting diabetes do you watch what you eat are you afraid no no one's afraid of those things it has been so tucked up and i'm not look it's a it's a very very serious illness i get it but it's not the only illness that's out there the point that i think has happened across this nation and around the world is people all of a sudden became very very fearful of dying and my argument is this you're going to die sooner or later do you know jesus christ this fear should be driving you to church not away from church do you think that's a love of the world jack a love of the world or for the world yeah that's what i'm saying is that like for example bob in the 1960s we had a pandemic and we handled it totally differently do you think people are more attached to the world than the word yes and that's one of the reasons we reacted the way we did yes absolutely and it's it's sad and it's sadder when it's manifested in the pulpit and in the ministry where that's where the leadership should come from we should steer them through the waters of crisis and when pastors are silent look we're to lay down our lives first for the flock we're to give them direction luther did it during the plague spurgeon did it during the cholera epidemic they didn't shut their doors this is the first time we've ever quarantined the health people jump on what jack is saying about the fear i i think we should really hit it 365 times in the scripture it says fear not god knows that that we are susceptible to fear the night that he was born the angels appeared first words out of their mouth fear not behold i bring you good tidings of great joy when christ is walking on the water he says to him fear not fear hath torments it and so therefore he hath not given us a spirit of fear but of power and of love and of a sound mind those are mere opposites of fear when you're fearful you're weak and he's given us a spirit of power of love you cannot love a person you're afraid of the those dear folks in in kabul are not loving the taliban they're afraid of them you love and they sound mind when you're afraid you don't think straight so he has given us a spirit of power of love and a sound that's the opposite of fear fear is is how since man is susceptible to it tyrants always use it to control we had dinner uh andy andrews and i and he was so frustrated explaining as to why he saw these jewish fathers loading their children onto the boxcars he said how in the world you see one little nazi down at the end of the train station with a with a rifle they could have overrun him why did they do that well what they told him was that you know the the enemy is coming and things haven't been very good lately and so uh where it's very dangerous and so what you need to do is get your family together tomorrow morning and and uh and they're if everybody gets afraid then they'll panic and won't be good so so you're the father and you have to go home and make an inventory of everything you had all the pianos and paintings and pictures and things but take just enough because for overnight because we're going to take you to a better place we're going to lie to you and in order to save your life we're going to make you safe we're going to take you to a new place where there's better jobs there'll be better schools they'll be a better place and then if you have the inventory we'll go back and get the rest but the children are going to be afraid and their wife is going to take the key from you and so you have to be solid and tomorrow morning at 10 o'clock at the train station walk them on that's what evil has used is fear americans were known to not be fearful they're the ones that marched into the battle of the bulge when everybody else has fallen away what the american gi in marched in into normandy et cetera this idea of us succumbing to fear will take our liberty and we've seen it what happened and the time has come for leaders to stop it so now i really want to kind of get to just america in general a non-political discussion just what we're seeing around us and what can be done about this regime and what we're living under uh i want to pick up what you said though um all this almost all this change in the 1960s there's a phenomenal book i quoted all the time age of entitlement by christopher caldwell i just i told you about it last week actually um we were having dinner together where he he really pinpoints 1963 6465 is when america refounded itself and not for the better by the way refounded itself based on uh prioritizing pleasure as prioritizing rebellion prioritizing dissension prioritizing authoritarianism and i think that's an important moment because we're really living in a post-1960s america where that spirit of fear was kind of rejected in the 50 1940s 1950s and the 60s had a totally different attitude and i think that's important to kind of being able to tell ourselves how we navigate that also rob in the 19 late 1960s early 70s we saw a different form of christianity come in america talk about that so um so chuck smith came on the scene especially for calvary chapel in 68 and the the idea of evangelism and they they brought in syncopated rhythms which probably disappointed you and liz but uh and you know maranatha music and what they did in california interestingly enough is chuck taught the bible verse by verse chapter by chapter book by book but he stayed away from politics because in 68 when he started it martin luther king reverend dr martin luther king jr had been shot bobby kennedy had been shot in l.a 63 uh jfk had been shot then he had the milei massacre the ted offensive and all these young people who had been seeking hope and change had checked out of the church and explored you know eastern religions and drug use and they they came back disillusioned because all their political heroes were dead that's right and chuck avoided politics but he he talked he taught the the way to salvation and it grew ten thousand percent in 52 years that's right uh there's more calvary chapels south of van nuys the dunkin donuts there's a lot of dunkin donuts yeah there's a lot of dunkin donuts and and so so the lion's share of those churches are in california 10 000 growth harvest crusades greg laurie but but in 68 we had the fifth largest gdp and it was a state of the future that's right but he avoids politics because the kids are burned out on it right i am grateful to chuck for my verse by verse you know systematic study of the scriptures i do not resent that i i am who i am because he did what he did but we missed something because we didn't engage in the public square the ecclesia matthew 16 we avoided that and now california no longer has a fifth largest gdp we have the sixth maybe seventh we have the highest gas tax sales tax income tax highest debt highest unemployment highest poverty highest homelessness and we've aborted more children than any other state in the union authors of no fault divorce transgender bathroom bills and and that's because the church didn't engage in the public square but listen be specific though for those that are watching right now there was no instruction to now that you're a christian let the light of jesus shine out of you everywhere not just at boeing or raytheon or at the county run for school board yes right run for city council and that's where we're seeing a change in california now but is it proverbs 29 2 i believe that says that when the when the wicked are in authority the people groan but when the righteous rule people rejoice and to me that's a mandate to let your light so shine everywhere now politics is not my thing but if i was an engineer or if i was a school bus driver i would be a christian first yes and then a school bus driver and so why can't you be a mayor right but a christian first it's not that you're going to christianize your city or america you're going to be the christian witness the kingdom of god's in heaven we're not going to bring it down here and make it happen but until we do go to heaven we need to shine that light everywhere bob rob was going to say well i was just going to add that that with that revolution that occurred that you speak of there was there was a communist you know invasion into the nation in the sense that they occupied the folks that were in the 60s and 70 in the war riots that ended up coming back to church but there some of them now they become the professors and the teachers that's right and it even comes into the church sds and and there's affluence after we come back after the war and america prospers and then we helicopter parent these kids that's so true and then we avoid participating in their school boards and leave it up to the government and we put more reliance on the government and we just pursue all of our bobbles and trinkets and the next thing you know we've lost the education of an entire generation and the church has been influenced as well so well said one of the most misunderstood but often quoted lines is render the seas are the things that are caesar's and to god the things that are god's as though there's a separation of church and state when jesus said that give me a coin give me a coin and he holds up that coin and he asked the people whose inscriptions on this caesars then rendered the season the things that are caesar's to god the things that are god's every jew standing in that neighborhood knew exactly what jesus meant we don't get it in the west what did he mean we missed it it's this give to caesar the coin his face is on it give it to him but render to god the things that are god's every jew would have said brilliant he just said everything including caesar in that coin rome itself caesar's palace caesar's salad belongs to god they all knew that we westernized it and somehow created a separation jesus said it's all under god the earth is the lord's so so another go ahead well rob explains that the best it's very effective to then take that and say i shouldn't be involved in government and then when pastors want to keep people they want to protect their flock and they can tell when people get involved in anything else in sports or in whatever and so they say you need to stay here because this world's not our home and we're just passing through and they don't and they can sense when people start to get involved in politics you need to explain why this lighthouse for the gospel why this nation so abundantly blessed more than any place else in in the entire planet uh why it prospered in this idea of withdrawing as in romans that they use a few verses explain why it's wrong well romans 13 that god appoints all positions of authority and and that they and and that we're to submit to them and they're put there for our good uh and they're to do good and then as we we told earlier with jonathan mayhew uh he died in 1766 but he was the minister who exegeted romans 13 and shared with all the soon to be founding fathers on the eastern seaboard first and second great awakening and he looked at that passage and he said yes god appoints all positions of authority and and yes we're to submit to them but they're there for our good to do good and if they cease to do good they cease to be the authority and he coined the phrase disobedience to tyrants as obedience to god which john adams said was the inspiration for the war of independence and and so for us he died in 1766 and there wasn't a constitutional republic like you were describing now we are in a constitutional republic that defines in romans 13 who the authority is and it's in the first three words of the preamble the constitution we the people and and anyone who governs governs by our consent and its power on loan from the sovereign and when they violate the oath of office to swear to defend a constitution that puts parameters on their ability to infringe on our inalienable rights we must hold them accountable and that's what we're not instructing in the churches to do and that's that's where we must step forward so we were very critical of the jews that when the trains went by and you could hear the people crying out that they would stand and sing loud enough that they wouldn't hear it they were at least having church yeah yeah can you comprehend that in america for the last year and a half they've been willing to let some some bureaucrat say you can't have church at all so we thought we would never go down that road that's where the crisis is at this moment and this so jack how is it that the freedoms of this nation and the wealth the prosperity the rights that we have predominantly now first amendment there's a reason why it's the first amendment was structured by and created by men who knew what the bible said and they quoted the bible for a pastor in this day and age to say well we don't get involved in that well do you enjoy your freedom do you believe in in protecting that freedom they start to stumble they don't know what to do about that i think that comes from not knowing the christian foundation of this nation you know in 2009 i believe barack obama was speaking in cairo egypt and he said that america was never a christian part of his apology tour he literally said america was never a christian nation he threw the mayflower compact out the window he flew our founding through our founding documents out the window most of america probably nodded their head in agreement because they had not been taught that in church or public school they're not being taught history i was taught that in public school and it's hard to refute when you're 16 years old and someone talks to authority oh they're all a bunch of atheists and deists it's a total lie right and it doesn't even get close to understanding first and foremost the philosophical and religious basis of these texts i mean you just take the declaration of independence which is an objectively beautiful document written by let's just say if you had to put one president one founding father who was the least christian it would be thomas jefferson he himself read the bible he said the bible was the ultimate standard he put the bible in schools he they said oh he edited his own bible whatever fine let's pray let's say he was the the least christian right jack well the least christian founding father he himself understood what the bible said better than even you know the some of the best christians in america the least i'm saying that in quotes you know what i'm saying exactly so the least jefferson had his slaves learn english from the bible which was against the crown of england by the way and that jefferson in the editing of the bible the new testament jefferson says that it's a it was a track a track for somebody to get like a cliff note version yes of the gospel well and i mean thomas jefferson i'm a big-time jefferson fan i think he gets totally misunderstood he blamed king george for bringing slaves to america in the original draft of the declaration he fought for the abolitionist slavery as governor of virginia he signed the moratorium of new slaves coming into america um it was one of his first acts in march of 1807. but anyway what i was saying about thomas jefferson which even if you look at the first paragraph of the declaration of independence it's an objectively beautiful paragraph because he appeals to divine eternal truth of order laws of nature nature's god he says that all human beings are equal as you say bob equal at the cross equal as made in the image of god and he also emphasizes life liberty the pursuit of virtue and it used to be pr it was property and it got changed to pursuit of happiness they didn't want to totally plagiarize john locke but one of the most amazing things of the entire opening is that when in the course of human events that's an eternal claim yep that means that it's right anytime any people anytime any people anywhere any place it could be papua new guinea it could be indonesia these are this is a human claim the declaration makes the argument that we are human beings we are the speaking beings aristotle said we are the reason beings it says in isaiah isaiah 1. let us let us reason together therefore since we are the reason beings we are the speaking beings here's how we're supposed to be treated it's awesome and so it starts really big it's real narrow and by the way king george you didn't do any you did all this wrong foreign powers to quebec and taxes and this stuff and all that then it gets really broad which people don't talk about the end of the declaration which then they appeal to their creator we appeal this to our to god and then to our our our our fellow man our our our lives our fortune our sacred honor they're pledging it to themselves but first they pledge to their creator that's a that's a profound moment in history and your question about how do you respond to that as a 16 year old and and i think that's important to address that all of you say but this book says that in this book it goes on and on and the first book that said that that george washington was promiscuous was in 1924 and it was totally torn apart a year later but then five or six years later people referred to it then people 10 years later referred to that one and so now they have all this they're all quoting each other and that is heretical george washington was like the most pious very moral moral loyally married man same way with benjamin franklin you can't find anything prior to world war one all this idea people will tell you that he had all these children this goes on on the example the point is that when they did it uh just take for example the thomas jefferson bible he cut out parts of it and paid to have it printed to be given to the missionaries to teach christ to the indians and he didn't want it to get caught up in all this other part you want you want to simplify it so they could get right to the point now you don't that's right and so now that they just wouldn't do that and they say you can go to you can go to the library of congress and find it and that's exactly correct you can and you can see what he did he took out and printed himself because he wasn't going to give him the whole bible you're going to give me a part to start and they they took 180 degrees off now now all you have all these quote experts these professors these people in these colleges that preach the exact untruth the error and as a 16 year old it's hard to respond to but it's important to say where did they get their facts and that's why the resources exist jack you are chomping at the bit to get in because because i stood uh at the jefferson memorial listening to a national park ranger completely pitched the opposite of what you just said and made jefferson into a monster oh man and i sat there and i was with lisa's uncle and we just couldn't take it anymore i thought we were going to get arrested but we just couldn't let the lie continue but exactly you just repeat it didn't marx or stalin or hey somebody say it just repeat it yes you repeat a little style and you're peter like friedrich nietzsche you got heidegger you got marx yeah just repeated enough joseph goebbels yeah he was the propagandist for the socialist workers party but this is important because if you don't know where you came from then you don't know where to go and this is so this is something that conservatives quite honestly have not understood um as as well as the left this is an interesting thing i want to get your opinion on this bob because you lived through movement conservatism in the 80s and i really want to pick your brain on this because there i think this applies where the left always knew if they were able to indict our founding then the country can unravel this is why everyone's so interested in ancestry ancestry.com right they're so we want to know who came before us it's there's a yearning in your soul the bible speaks to this too i mean luke and matthew if i'm not mistaken both open up the genealogy correct it'll be there joseph or mary or i think it's just right one through joseph one through marriage and the genealogy of such and the bible is very clear about passing customs down from one generation to the other there's a yearning in your soul for that so then you have the 16 year old citizen who's looking around and looking at hope they don't even have the flag anymore in the classrooms they're taking that down let's pretend there's a flag around they say i wonder what that means to me and the left has always known if they can make that flag be something other than something virtuous or admirable they've won the entire debate in the 1980s reagan was was very clear about bringing back this idea of kind of the magnanimous conservative but the unapologetically patriotic conservative i hate to i hate to be critical of reagan because he was so phenomenal but there were some things he did that were questionable with immigration and many other things but just broadly in the 80s bob and early 90s do you think that we didn't take the government education problem serious enough hundred percent why is alzheimer's such a horrible disease because a person doesn't know who they are they don't remember their past if you can't remember your past then you don't know who you are therefore you don't know where you're going and and if your wife is dying of cancer you can speak to her and make pledges and and hold her hand and if she goes into eternity it's as sad as can be but when a person is there and they don't know who you are and they don't know who they are it's a tragic tragic now what has been a deliberate attempt to take this four percent of the population of the world that as long as there is an american on the planet they know that that's the place that i can go to to escape if a ship is attacked on the high seas if there's an american they'll come save me if somebody's cheating on a patent i know that american will protect us if somebody's printing artificial money in the money supply any place on the planet american banks will shut it down america is the standard for righteousness if we can just take away what america is then we can go we can give it alzheimer's so how do we do that we have to go back and take all the people is what they did and we distort it we lie about it we twist it we make it untrue is it true and and so when you i would encourage everyone to read david barton's book on thomas jefferson and when it came out all of these people really attacked him and as he wasn't a historian and all he did was take what jefferson said and what he did and they all then began quoting each other from these books in the 1950s and 60s they don't do original source documents not what he did yeah and so in order to take down america you must first say that those people that did these things were not trustworthy then it was built on a lie and so they misrepresent that's why i was on the 1776 commission because we've got to understand america was founded on july 4 1776 not in 1619 150 years before thomas jeffer or george washington was even born so they but they tried to to cloud the two so that america doesn't know what they were therefore they don't know who they are and that's why that's the war that we're involved in right now so the question is what is the most important thing that we can do in the 1980s 90s we knew that the educational system was being stolen out from under us but we didn't want to get involved why why why was there this unwillingness bob i i'd have to i'd have to think about that a bit go ahead rob prosperity i was going to say they didn't see the fear it was the ego the embedded growth obligation things are just going to keep on getting better and we don't want to upset the application and the country was always america was never the premier nation on earth until 1947. and then after after that's so important after that it was in a telegram that was sent from the prime minister of britain was sent to to uh harry truman on april 7th in 1947 and said unless the united states intervened in the cyprus crisis that the crown had needed the capacity of the will to be involved and with that the torch was passed to the united states of america became the premier nation on earth never in the history of man as one nation become the premier nation on earth without what it didn't seek it the indian the the romans knew what they had to do the french knew what they had the british knew what they had to do the greeks knew everybody saw the single exception to that is the united states of america that was past was given world leadership not because it sought it but because people trusted it and we we didn't like it we didn't like to pay for it we wish it would go away but we've handed it more more responsibly than than anyplace else now in the process of that we then we're in a competition for for 70 years at the end we could get into how it happened but nevertheless after world war ii we gave away uh for that eight year period gave way all of central and eastern europe to the soviet union and so then we had this competition going on ronald reagan it's and and and then by that time when eisenhower came in he said well we have to contain communism state where we are reagan came in and said we don't have to contain communism we can transcend communism and went after it and collapsed it now these people that are in their 20s have lived in a period unlike any time in the history of the world that's right where there's one nation completely unchallenged economically military and politically on the planet and so they thought this is how it is and so they think i can just go ahead and we'll take socialism from from venezuela and we'll take this from there and they don't understand that none of those people would do anything if a ship is lost if a plane is lost over the alps this afternoon or flying over africa tonight what they're using a global positioning system conceived invented maintained by americans if if the list goes on and on so that how did we get in this mess we we took it for granted that freedom was in our dna that america would always be safe we could make any compromise that we could make and we'll just let it go and we won't get blessed be my wife bless john his wife us for no more amen we're just going to focus on ourselves and the process is about to come back and snap us that's why this awakening this that we're enjoying at the moment is essential and that's why turning point has been so prosperous because that's what the world is looking for charlie you vishal magna waldy's book yeah the book that built your world yeah where he talks about this idea of thinking we're good and and this western culture that that uh that's not in in the eastern world no elaborate for everybody because that's i mean the west is exceptional um and i want to make sure people understand my words it's not perfect i mean that's i've never said that but it is the greatest experiment in human governance with plenty of other examples to compare it to by the way um the east does not have the same tradition or customs or ability of rights-based government that we have here and a great example is india i mean india is beginning to break out of this but it's going to take him another 50 to 100 years minimum india right now is a great example as to how almost everyone lived 200 years ago the caste system who's your dad who's your grandfather you're born into it and kind of religious conflict are you muslim are you hindu if so what sect of hinduism and so there is when you don't have a system that is either built on objective morality agreed upon principles or a transcendent order or the protection of those rights given by god it creates a very um untrustworthy system so vishal in his book he's allowed to get away with this because he's indian he tells the story how he went to um he went to denmark before it might have been the netherlands uh before it you know has recently kind of become uh terrible this was written like 12 or 15 years ago and so he goes to this beautiful dairy farm in the netherlands with a pastor friend of his and they go to this farm and there's just kind of a booth set up and no one is there and it just says you know please serve yourself some milk take a cookie and leave you know this much money and vishal is perplexed by this entire thing and he turns to his pastor friend he says who's who's the attendant here who's making sure that nothing is stolen who's making sure the money is not taken and all of this he says well no see this community is built on trust and built on integrity and so this is the way our grandparents did it and their grandparents did it and so we just all trust each other we leave some money in here and he says well i'll tell you what happens if we were in india and the pastor injects like whatever would steal the money in the milk he said no we'd steal the cows yeah and the point is that that in the east it's and what what's the what's the result of that things get more expensive because you got to hire somebody to protect the cows got to hire someone to count the money gotta hire someone to make sure the milk's not stolen gotta hire someone to make sure that the barn's not all of a sudden it becomes less accessible for middle-class workers to be able to go out to the farmland to be able to get a nice glass of milk and enjoy that kind of that and then the owner is always worrying about insurance and this it deteriorates into a more so the question is why does authoritarianism creep in because of moral decline yeah we had on the wall thou shalt not steal shalt not lie so it shall not covet it was an essential ingredient and so in america we never coveted what people had when we traveled around my wife is an engaging sort and people want to come up and say you know i've been to america i've been to energy and she would say well well what surprised you the most about america is and and thinking you know they said you don't have walls around your property you don't know where your yard stops and where your neighbors begin that's right why because we didn't covet you go all the rest of the world has walls you go to mexico they have cut glass on top of the walls why because people want i mentioned i grew up in appalachia there were three black cadillacs in my town when i grew up and they all three belong to the funeral home and when they were sitting out there i would go sit under a tree and i would look someday i'm going to have one of those it never crossed my mind to go take it but something in america we see a nice house with somebody we want to have one like that now as you see that as america takes thou shalt not covet off the wall of the schools then you begin to have to literally in nice beautiful neighborhoods in texas and elsewhere they're now having to put up walls around property based upon the abandonments of the essential ingredient that without self-discipline there cannot be self-government that is so good and every single indication of what made america different is now going away for example armed security used to be some that only had due in the third world in brazil nicaragua honduras it is increasing like you wouldn't believe in america closing one's face to make you unfamiliar with one another we do it all the time now right how you educate your children the idea of private schools you know being the end-all be-all in america i'll tell you what all of a sudden the government-run schools are so bad that it's a cash system you go to the government-run schools in la you are done that's how mexico works that's how india works that's how laos works that's how thailand works where the upper middle class kids they go to a special school the other kids go to another school i can go through the list and the other one that you mentioned is really important which is gated communities the idea of even locking your doors in 1950s america it's like the lux locksmith was an industry that didn't exist they worked for certain banks if that that's not to say there wasn't licentiousness or coveredness before that but it's become a cottage industry jack no absolutely right and uh it's interesting what you just said because uh larry elder gives the breakdown of chicago los angeles san francisco uh these cities to where the public school teachers and administrators he gives you the percentages of how many of those people send their kids to private schools yes and it's huge numbers and that really is if you want to look at a deeper analysis outside of one side is better than the other it really is the ruling class versus the ruled that that is the divide that happened post 1960s is that the people in charge were able to use whatever economic prosperity we had to create carve-outs another example the biden regime says you must get vaccinated against your will we've stood against that at turning point usa the best we can but it's not mandatory in the biden white house that's correct if you work in the white house you get an exemption letter and the marines you get no such exemption rob well when when bob talked about this idea of alzheimer's i thought that was a brilliant analysis my dad had it for 15 years he didn't know who i was it broke my heart we as americans have forgotten who we are and the lord would always say remember remember remember and that's so good and that gift of freedom must be instructed and that's why the longest running family meal in world history is the seder the passover because they remembered they were in bondage and god set you free remember who you are you're free and and what's happened is we no longer educate our children on that and they no longer remember who they are they no longer remember who god is because we don't instruct them and now they're susceptible for lies so where once said thou shall not covet we can bring forward in our classroom a form of government that's been responsible for billion people being murdered on the planet plus famine starvation yeah we we can we can bring that into a classroom and and sell them on it and they go i've heard of communism well this isn't socialism this is democrat socialism basically you have a turd and now you put sprinkles on it that's democrat socialism the turd is socialism and then you put sprinkles on it and the kids are like oh let's eat that and and why because they've forgotten we have not educated we've separated them from who they are and the scripture allows us to remember who we are we're more than conquerors we're free i've come to set the captives free that's the beauty of it all so in closing um we really want to get churches and pastors signed up so if you listen to this conversation and you say hey charlie i'm sold what is turning point faith we have field reps across the country to help churches and pastors we're not asking for anything we want to have more jack hips we want to have more rob mccoy's we want to have more pastor jurgens we want to have more greg dunham's we want to have more james cadizas we want to have more pastor cody's where people are speaking out and proclaiming the truth we want to help make that possible so you guys could do that at tpusa.com faith there are boatloads of resources for you for example we're doing webinars where we are going to offer pastors the best ways to counsel them through mandatory vaccinations the best way to be able to write exemption letters the best way to be able to fight local government so we want to help instruct where we can and educate pastors the best practices that you two have been able to develop and more than that we want churches to to commit to at least one or two a year at the very minimum but beyond that hopefully one a month where you are bringing a conversation while it's happening outside of the church doors in real events and what does the bible tell about that let's go around the horn rob you've done this at your church for a while talk about because i i want to get like super just you know empirical here has your church been blessed objectively empirically since you started to stand for you've always stand for righteousness but when it got tough yeah the minute i got political they said your church will uh decline in attendance your giving will drop and there was a just a brief moment where some folks that i don't do politics they left but the exact opposite happened the church exploded and and we grew and then in addition what's really cool is uh when we were faced with the lockdowns the church responded and and they were fearless and i would add this charlie when it happened in california jack and i were looking around going who else is with us we found a handful but what was such a blessing is when charlie would travel the country i started to realize kind of like the prophet that there's a there's a thousand people that there's many that haven't bowed their knee to bail and they're out there and so with turning point faith we need the folks we also want to connect them too right we want pastors talking to pastors right join us and and sign up with us we want to help you and that will be that which is seen and unseen part of this is just putting pastors in a room that never knew each other and whatever happens from that point forward will be magical jack talk about at your church i mean when i go there i mean it's got to be one of the largest weekly gatherings in california it's huge i mean you're rivaling some of the biggest challenges it's the free place in california for a for a period of time we were the largest under roof gathering in america that's unbelievable during the shutdown but uh charlie i think the most important thing that needs to be said to a pastor why they should be engaged in turning point faith is for this reason i want them to be thinking that um there are people within their church who are just looking for the thumbs up from their pastor the permission to get involved in the school board to craft the sex education that's going to be going on in their in their local school there's congregants who just want their pastor to say if god god may be calling you to run for mayor they're sitting there in those congregations pastors need to understand that that congregate and we're not asking the pastor to run for mayor the congregant may want to run for city council we have seen that charlie we haven't changed anything for 30 years we know who our mayors are we know who our police officers are we know the point is this that if we adopt our culture in every way shape and form in the vicinity as it were of our zip code and do jesus share jesus the love of god tangibly not just preaching but equipping them to go out and do it on monday morning that has transformed our communities so much so that we become the target of uh anti-faith organizations that's an honor jesus well jesus said and think about it jesus was the most loving and the most hated that's right if we're going to follow him we're going to be the most loving and the most hated i love it consider joy bob america i would say to to pastors and those that are involved in politics the united states has a standard for righteousness in the world every time somebody wants to do something screwball in some parliament in africa or australia or whatever they say well in america they're doing it and when they see them put the chinese black lives matter flag over the embassy in america people have no idea that that people look to america as the standard when a church is being overrun uh in in nigeria they look to americans to protect them and as i said if you take all the money that goes for global evangelism for the entire planet 85 cents out of every dollar came from this four percent of the population of the world called americans we are the lighthouse for the gospel now do you think satan takes note of that of course they do and so therefore we're involved in this in this spiritual battle now what would be effective is if we could take the the bible believers the god that have god's wisdom and and ask them to please sit over here and allow satan to come in and steal this great place and how do we do it half of all those people that are that are self-identified evangelicals half of them are not registered to vote of those that are registered to vote half of them do not vote so therefore i believe that where that if a person is in a position of church leadership a pastor anyone else is going to stand before god and say what did you do in a time of crisis i buried my talent and and christ told that story that wasn't anybody else he was a little fired up about what happened to the person that buried his talent if you stand before god and say that that you were in a position of responsibility at a time of great crisis in our nation there'll be a penalty to it for it the final observation is that it doesn't take much uh the person who said that girls a boy should be allowed to shower at a girl's bathroom in in the fort worth school district got 1100 votes there is a church just a few blocks away has 35 000 members one church in this hundreds of thousand districts so how did this happen to america because we had our eyes on ourselves and not on america and i believe we would be held account so this is essential any closing thoughts guys super quick bob is right amen seriously that's just i just want to encourage everyone tpusa.com faith all three of these amazing men are part of our leadership team and part of what we are doing here and kind of our advisors and people we're leaning upon and so i want to just encourage everyone watching or listening uh take that step of faith have a conversation with your pastor about this so if you're just if you're just going to a church you're like man i feel i feel the spirit of the lord moving go to your pastor and maybe send them this link send them this link and have him just say hey what's your thoughts on this yeah and if they have questions you can go from there maybe maybe you are on the elder board or you are a pastor because we have a lot of those we want to help you and then maybe the third is that you're a student and you're like man i don't understand where i fit in this reach out to us we'd love to connect you to some of the good churches across the country too if you have felt like man i've tried my best to try to find a good church and all this we will connect you maybe you're in banger maine we got a church there maybe you're in kansas city we have a church there maybe you're in denver we have a church there maybe you're in albuquerque pastor steve smotherman the point is don't stay in a church where you don't feel like you're being fed we also want to be kind of the yellow pages of good churches so let us know which we will list the good ones we won't list the bad ones we'll let them figure themselves out so we want to do that god bless you guys tpusa.com faith thank you bob jack and rob god bless you guys

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