#10MinuteTalk – The 220 Swift by popular demand

[Music] what's up everybody we have ten minutes here with mr. Ryan muckin he's been talking with us a lot about cartridges as of late and we have yet another one by popular demand another one that starts with two yes it's the 220 Swift yes and I gotta admit I kept saying 22 Swift before cuz I just kept lopping off that zero you know and but I'm I'm incorrect in that what is the 220 Swift is it a 22 caliber bullet or this so same bullet diameter is like our 22 250 which we've done before or the very popular 223 Remington which is not a 223 either it's a 224 Oh so the original 224 wait what yes so bullet diameter point two to four but they call it a two to three huh or to 200 or - 2 - 1 - 2 1 in case of the 221 fireball there's another one the 220 Swift what's the big deal about it what's the Carter what's its etymology it's family history ancestry or whatever so we're gonna go back in time to before the 1908 was that the 20th century yeah 1895 there's a rifle on the market called the 1895 Lee and Navy which was a really cool straight Pohl rifle great balls are cool it is it was very novel action I've seen exactly one in my entire life and it was chambered in this ridiculous cartridge called the six millimeter Leah Navy and it's only ridiculous because at the time there was nothing like it the cartridge was way ahead of its time okay and and it actually saw and and was adopted as a military service rifle for like three to five years I think only Marines and a small dispatch of the Navy were issued this gun long story short that's not the only Lee Navy that's been a thing is it that is the only Lee Navy and others the Enfield yeah I've heard you mentioned Lee Navy before Lee Navy is the parent case of the 220 Swift yes so an interesting choice so I was about to say cuz when you were saying 6 millimeter Lee Navy's 6 millimeter as we know from our former 10-minute talk on the 243 is 243 I did I knew I was gonna ask this question I know we're talking about the 220 Swift yeah but what is the 6 millimeter Lee Navy then it was a the military at the time I think maybe just specifically the Navy was looking for a smaller higher velocity cartridge to get through light armor and things like on boats or even people wearing possibly light armor what's new they've been doing it since the 1850 95 and when you if you get a chance to look at the rifle they're super cool yeah really a novel action design the bolt tilted up instead of straight back so when you cam dit it it went up oh I feel like it should make a sound effect like like one of those but that was the case they chose which is cool the original necked down des with many things you neck it down you make it better apparently they didn't sprinkle six five on it though they sprinkle 22 not something people do all too often these days aside from when they made the 22 Creedmoor which is you know like like what you've been there just shrimp they sprinkled Crete on that one yeah yeah yeah the 22 Creed's what you shoot if you you know drink fancy drinks and hang out with fancy people and fancy cigar bars Laroy Yushu ground squirrels pinky up yeah yeah yeah anyway I was I think was 1935 for the life of me I cannot remember the name of the guy who did the cartridge that's okay somebody'll shout it out in the comments eventually got adopted by Winchester for the predecessor to the model 70 which was the model 54 which is basically a model 70 with a different rear safety short lived in that and then reintroduced in the model 70 varmint which was a happy barreled rig the cartridge held fast for quite a while it was very popular with like a cult level status for hand loaders and varmint errs name has always called the to 2020 Swift yep okay eventually got replaced by a very very similar but stronger cartridge called a 225 Winchester same bullet diameter we're just going up in numbers on the N for fun just yeah yeah but also at that same time 22-250 hit the scene modern case design wipe them both off face the planet what's up will you say modern cases on what's what's so answered about its case design so if you look at a swift it's what's called a semi rimmed cartridge so it's not like a thirty thirty so it doesn't have like a full rim and like that's how we control the extraction and yeah all that because so it's semi rimmed it's not a full-width rim it has a kind of an extractor groove and kind of a rim semi rimmed understand it's got like a long neck as opposed to say a shorter neck on a 22 250 why is that important well it's not but you know it was kind of wasted space where the designers at Remington when the 22-250 came out you know they it was a more robust case I shouldn't say the designers at Remington it was a wildcat cartridge it was commercially accepted but right it's kind of yeah you guys Siri talking about the rim but you also extract a groove and I find it to be a rather endearing cartridge and one that is pretty pretty time-tested yeah so it was one of the first cartridges if not the first cartridge commercially available over 4,000 feet per second right in in like yeah in modern times I remember when the 204 Ruger came out which would have been like early 2000s there's a 32 grain v-max at 4,000 I think 4,200 feet per second just blisteringly fast and at the time I was unaware of the 220 Swift did some reading well turns out this cartridges been on the landscape for the past you know some five years you know in the 220 Swift and I think we're actually really shines as a cartridge is with heavier bullets like 60 greater or 62 or 65 or 70 that's pretty interesting for a 22 caliber yeah I mean I guess when you compare it to some of the 223 and five five six loads out yes it's similar but it's a big bullet grip for that for that little of oh now why does it shine when you get heavier is is we can push it fast so can you push it faster when it's heavier well in that case okay so you know if we were to load that same 60 green Southpoint like if we go back in time to the original loadings that or sixty green Southpoint and let's say we could also load that in a 223 which didn't come out for many many many years later you know the sixty Graner in a 220 swift is probably thirty six hundred to 3650 36 7 t five in a 223 it would be like 2700 yeah so it was just blazingly fast what about compared to the 22-250 they're very much on par on the Swift if you Stoke it up and you hit like really good brass you could you could probably beat it just on case volume alone when you look at the Swift case it is a larger case but the 22-250 case is stronger so you can develop higher chamber pressures with it safely without blowing your case apart okay and so Swift is a neat round though I had a swift out of Ruger 77 VT was it was a neat gun I wanted to see how fast we could push it and Mike Ronnie would not read oh wow yeah so that was kind of in some early when I was fresh into reloading and the chronograph stuff wasn't I wasn't super savvy on it so I'd like to give that a revisit some time but there was this 29 grain bullet out there that you could just wash 50 20 on the clock is nice 29 grain bullet at just I mean well over 4,000 feet per second it was a laser beam it shot terribly it was horrible yeah I think I was just teetering the threshold of insanity so okay so there's a point where you can just get too fast yes yeah a little tiny belittle and too fast little hot spins out of control or something now one thing about the 220 Swift it seems like it's always had a reputation as a barrel burner like oh great cartridge super fast accurate you know the great varmint cartridge but enjoy your 300 round barrel line that silly yeah same thing with the 2250 it's the same cartridge on paper yeah like if we were to just you know put a black piece of paper in front of the cartridges and show you the velocities and the energy stay the same you're saying it's silly cuz it's not really something to worry about with no barrel burning no I mean if you're gonna Stoke it up with say that 29 grain bullet or a light for caliber bullet and push it at blistering velocities of like forty three forty four hundred feet per second you're gonna shorten your usable barrel life but if you're shooting 55 grains 60 grains 60 to 65 green bullets you know using it as like a coyote or a woodchuck gun or whatever you might be using you can't expect exactly the same barrel life that you went out of your 22 250 which is hardly ever talked about right all right I think it's a really cool cartridge I've ran into a guy who is his favorite Texas whitetail cartridge oh I believe it he said the Swift with a 60 green Syrah and a neck shot there is no better cartridge for shooting Texas whitetails I don't know how that qualifies and saying Kansas whitetail her ice console might tale but he was adamant there's no question about it I guarantee it doesn't feel good Swift in the neck just with straight to the old neck aroun e yeah I can't I can't omit because a lot of when you talk about like little bullets going really fast when they hit something they just what do they do hydrostatic shock so just kablooey yes massive energy transfer huh the tricky part is penetration you have to have a bullet that can do that too that's why thus the next shot what oh okay I know you're shocking the CMS there what about are there any bolts that are built to drive that are loaded for this cartridge yes okay yes 62-grain t BBC from Trophy bonded the Barnes TSX and TTS x is the serie game kings federal 64 dream barrier blind bullet the Hornady GMX there's a multitude okay you say built drive like like a bonded bullet or the incubations lifer to actually penetrate okay and the Nosler partition there's a 60 got to think about cars there again Jim yeah okay I know we're over timing you got any thinking actually about walking through the woods with pots and pans going to hit yep the cartridge that's where the xxx hot brownie B air comes in yes got one of those it's this crazy crazy rabbit hole that leads you here leads you there then you loop back to this one I mean I was even when I was doing a little pre podcast research on this I was reading about a cartridge a wildcat at the time that was called the 22 var meter which was based off of was it the 25 302 300 I'm not familiar with that Wildcat well okay what's the parent case for the 20 to 250 250 Savage also known as the to 53,000 so it was the two fifty three thousand they were saying this 22 vomiter later became the 22-250 cuz when I was reading about this 22 vomiter as they were calling it on the computer maybe this doesn't exist but they were saying it was based off that case I'm like why / Ryan the 2250 was 22 250 was based off this case and then it said this 22 vomiter later became the 22 250 which was essentially adopted or fascinating it really is it though I get more interested every time I same and there you have it folks so for everybody who's been he's been requesting that 220 swift some of these ones that we get requests for that I see repeated requests for and and from different people to they they perplex me because the 220 Swift is one I never would have thought of but a lotta interest in it so there you have it folks let us know what you think and if you have any other cartridges out there that you'd like to hear these ten minute talks about let us know keep us know we're listening thanks everybody Thank You Ryan as usual yes walking talking amo encyclopedia alright see you later might be hiding and shooting Mike amazing it's cool around every time that we discuss around I think one of those I know but then I find out that it's like already made it's already been done we were just talking about that one oh is that what yeah thank you right away so my okay this what's the six millimeter Li Navy compared to the six millimeter a 243 not far off but at the time it was it was loaded with powder that wasn't smokeless powder and it wasn't black powder I can't remember what they call it I'm just kind of like cordite with the American version of cordite it can't develop the pressures that like a 243 can and the case isn't strong enough to do it but it's not far off like it's it's not the the delineation between the two is not as great a suited thing for one being built in you know the 1950s and one being built in 1895 so yeah I mean propellant technology right habit have been available as it was in the 50s in 1895 would have been a whole different ballgame we Americans would have been shooting smaller calibers and World War two at that point I'm sure of it because if a July not right so eventually we did yeah so what happened is the six millimeter Lea Navy I believe it was an ammunition issue or maybe it was a rifle barrel steel issue I can't remember guns pretty much just fell apart at that point in time then the 3040 Krag which had already been on the scene since 1892 maybe then became the full adoption the army was using the 30 40 Craig it was a similar case design sent while full rimmed but shouldered case fairly high velocity for that kind of thing everybody went to that the six millimeter Lavy Navy fell into obscurity and then many years later I got it 30 40 Craig more it's the 30 40 Craig but Creedmoor there is one damn it it's called the six five Craig [ __ ] and that super old cartridge like nineteen yeah super old cartridge oh so it's a 65 Craig oh so it's not something that somebody just came up don't go super old now so it's just the Creedmoor version of the 30 40 Craig yeah what about the six millimeter Craig been done what about the five and a half what does anybody do a five and a half millimeter um is there a 5 5 to 20 russian to 20 within what's the difference doing that in at 220 Swift a slight bullet I have a difference 220 russian is the cartridge that we owe the successes of probably like the 7.62 by 39 5 or 5 by 39 the 6 5 grand ole bull uh okay we're gonna no problem we got to come out of a wildcat that hasn't been done it's all been done and guarantees something hasn't been done something hasn't been done without without getting along the of coming up with an entirely new case and even that you're still restricted to the constraints of what you can put inside an action and then both phases so if we're gonna design a cartridge consider is this going to be like only we can reload or is it going to be something like oh we can use brass from this case or we can use this case so that's the hard part there's standardization within the industry as far as both phases are concerned that that make it seem possible but almost impossible to come up with [Music]

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Length: 15min 58sec (958 seconds)

Published: Tue Dec 10 2019