“Loyal Son of Ignatius: ..........” by Fr Benedict Groeschel, CFR

let's say a little prayer to get started all right in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit named Holy Spirit come and be with us guide and an eye enlighten us open our hearts and minds that we may speak your words and do your work and be guided by your enlightenment and help us in the short day of life to follow Christ as best we can and to be filled with devotion and gratitude to our Savior we pray through Christ our Lord we adore you Oh Christ and we praise you Our Lady's seat of wisdom st. Joseph st. Francis Holy Mother Teresa now some of you know that I had a stroke last well boot up several months ago and my voices my voice begins to go down and I'm not even aware of it so if you're having trouble hearing me just put up a hand and I'll know what that means can you hearing me now okay this doesn't sound loud enough to me but I don't know and what a joy it is to see so many religious and my only regret is we don't get very many religious priests to these meetings but the fact is that religious priests are generally drawn into the meeting of the diocesan priests and that's where we go I'm always delighted to see a large number of religious brothers and the growing of the vocation of religious brothers and I'm assisted with me today by brother Gerard who is one of our brothers John Hart I'm gonna tell you the real story I father kabuki is here with us today of the apostolate of the Sacred Heart where his father Quebec II oh there he is are there any other Jesuits here okay well thank God that you got here from the Quebec representing John Hardin and I'm gonna be a little bit hard on some of the Jesuits I met father harden in the Capetian friary in Manhattan 30th Street way back in the 60s and he stayed there he lived with the Kappa shion's we had meals with him for years you know why he could not eat with the live with the Jesuits isn't that sad and I spoke to some of the Jesuits who are my friends in New York and they told me that he was welcome officially they was invited but he was uncomfortable and so he came with the kappa shion's now historically the captions and the Jesuits started practically the same time the captions are the third step of the Franciscan oldest Franciscans are the conventions that we are visiting they came from named after the convent of Saint Francis in Assisi the Friars Minor only started at the beginning of the 20th century as a collection of small groups or some some large groups of Franciscan reform and they are put/call really the Franciscans of the leonine union of Pope Leo the 13th the province of the Franciscans here and the war this part of the world were called recollects founded by Saint Peter of Alcantara and then the came along the captions and the captions were a collection of friars and kind of have a reform and eventually a man who became a doctor of the church st. Lawrence of Brindisi was their leader although the first Capuchin Saint was a lie brother st. Felix of can't Elise and over the years does more Capuchin brothers who are canonized that brace and probably the captions that you would be most familiar of the Padre Pio now I used to say years ago that if you wanted this to separate the Jesuits from the Kemper Commission's because they all started out at the same time the only have to do is give an IQ and the IQ tell the high part of orders the Jesuits and the low part of the kappa the kappa shirts enjoy not being too smart you know in fact in french if you have another word for a full-power a mistake did you make it awkward is called on capital c not it's not something something that a kappa shame does okay now and I got to know for the Jardin staying with the cabbages for years you know he lived at Saint John's and he was not comfortable because he was going against the raw the the the raw and the tide at that time in the jesuits I remember I'm old enough that I knew the old Jesuits father Daniel a Lord SJ sister anybody was a teenager in those days we knew for the Lord and there were others father LaBeouf Catholic evidence guild and a number of outstanding Jesuits but it started to slip and unfortunately to give you this example a young man grew up at the same time in the same town that I grew up - he is younger than I am we went to Catholic school and he he became a Jesuit when he was 18 and I became a Capuchin at 8:17 and I almost became a Jesuit I went up and made the retreat to look at it but I wanted to work with the poor and my schoolmate became a Jesuit and brilliant young man and his major book was condemned twice by the congregation of faith and he is first time forbidden to teach at a Catholic institution and the third second time not to kid teach at all although presently teaches at Union Theological Seminary in New York you know who I mean Roger hate yeah yeah and we grew up with and I'm heartbroken because a fine young man and his parents his brother and I were very close friend and he was my brother's very close friend there was all classmates how strange that that could happen and we're so happy I was telling father Quebec II before what a sign of the new young Jesuits the Jesuits have had a unique and extremely important part of the life of the Catholic Church in the last several hundred years even through difficult times Archbishop Carroll the first bishop and the United States was a Jesuit who had when the order was crack crushed what would you call it suppressed Archbishop Carroll would then became a diocesan priest the the Jesuits made an immense contribution and not only st. Ignatius but Saint Francis Xavier so many and when it's a sign when the Society of Jesus is becoming back to life then you'll know among many other signs that the winter is over and we are moving into another spring what Newman called a second spring I was at the funeral of my very dear friend a great Jesuit Cardinal Avery Dulles and we had been friends for years and years and he was a bit shocked when he became a cardinal he told us i have to buy red socks and Avery Dulles covers a lot of things because culturally he was an absolute wasp white anglo-saxon Protestant although he was he tells us he wasn't a very good president Aryan at all that his dad you know was Secretary of State they were the Brahmins and such a fine in many ways modest very modest man and he I was at his funeral I took a seat role and I think the archbishop said the preached Cardinal O'Connor and these three young men in black Kasich's white surpluses came up clean cut and ice was a funny smile on their face and they said father we Jesuits scholastics now they know that I have been critical on purpose absolute proper purpose and I said oh I said what kind of Jesuits are you and they said New England I said forget the wigglin there's got to be a real Jesuit or a faulty Treasury and father Quebec II is the real Jesuit and there are quite a number yesterday i was father william how do i Burt he was he's when you get west do you remember Paul that was William he's from your town for veteran father Peter 't who had been president of one of the Jesuit universities very very fine man so it's a sign of things to come and my own community the captions that I belong for 38 years and with absolute broken heart left to captions and we did and get permission from the Holy See congregation of religious and the Father General of the captions to start a reform a separate province or custody and the captions but some of the American caption provincials voted against us and so we had to leave and we considers ourselves cabbages and we hope we never changed any of our legislation from the old constitutions of the captions and I I don't think I will live to see the day that we get back but I the father General came to see us very very kindly the Capitals never had sisters the old general K visa Swiss but he's lucky we have 35 sisters have our own community on their own separate community and I said that got your father general you got things to learn because the victory of our community as American sister she speaks perfect German she's from a German Americans him now there's all kinds of good things I almost became a Dominican because I grew up in the Dominican mother house and Caldwell New Jersey I worked for the sisters I knew the sisters a wonderful holy sisters and I went to visit the three sisters that I graduated from grammar school with and we decided we would have supper they were going to come up to see me and they couldn't come so I went down and they said well where will we have supper I said well we'll go to my sisters and be delighted and she lives in Colville oh no no we'll need it the mother house I said I assume they were animated about that we had a picnic supper because no one lives in the mother house it had 80 sisters there no one we had a picnic there was the refectory dusty and cobwebs how tragic and I'm CR Dominican Sisters today I'm so happy to see I think some of our Hawthorne sisters are right yes there's a wonderful group of Dominicans founded by she she's not venerable yet but she's coming up mother Hawthorne I know wonderful sisters and then of course years ago I go to this thing this is by way back in the sixties it got a go meet the sister so I come and there's a whole crowd of people and I get in the line and is this little old lady in a sari I never saw a sister wearing a sari and I I did know her at all and nobody else did either and I got up to talk to her two minutes crowded room and the room disappeared I was standing in a field talking to this sister and I'll never forget the eyes and we were just talking I was asking her to pray for one of my relatives and I went over and I sat down I said that's one of the strangest experiences of my life it was Mother Teresa I never had such an experience now in that picture with all those different people comes John Hart having supper with the captions in midtown Manhattan this is 30th Street right at the middle of the storm and we've been there a hundred and more than nine years and now having supper with father Hardin is not a lot of fun I'd ever met in my life anybody who seemed to enjoy food less you know I think you could give him the dog food and he would leave it it's strictly work Mantha there you go and that we started to talk and he was totally absolutely in vilde involved in his apostolic work you couldn't imagine chit-chatting with father hardened about anything that was not related to apostolic thanks culture was not his big interest believe and he was interested in souls same thing that was said about Don Bosco and and others that's what he was there and I was driving them to some that night and I said to myself here is an apostle and probably even some of the Apostles like say JA particular they probably had all I for culture you know say John's Gospel has got a beautiful thing and the st. Peter and you know having some interest but who was only interested in the salvation of souls who st. Paul and I felt that evening like I was with st. Paul I want to tell you if you were going to go on vacation don't take st. Paul in it I don't take for the heart either you know he didn't even had a say the word so he was a man component condemned controlled by his apostolate and if you read his background here is a man who lived out every step of the spiritual life the spiritual of st. Ignatius Loyola and I had made a Jesuit retreat years a boy when I was 17 about thinking of being a Jesuit puppet st. Andrews and and which is now the Institute of Culinary Arts and I went through the well a light in following of the Spiritual Exercises but if I would have to say the most dedicated unqualified the follower of the Spiritual Exercises as father Hart now a little bit more of the truth I'm a psychologist by an and by an accident I I don't don't take psychology very seriously at all anybody who really knows a lot about psychology it's somewhat skeptical now we use it but it's you know it's not a religion and the analyzing the situation and I would say that father harden carefully avoided a very real danger for his life I don't think he sat down and thought about it but psychological development and adjustment is done largely by intuition you don't have to sit down and psychoanalyze yourself unless you're in a lot of trouble and father Hardin could have been a fanatic he could have been a fanatic now to be quite honest with you in the present Catholic Church in the present situation a couple of fanatics we would be delighted to have the morale their word to muddy the route and great holy people don't become fanatics our dear mother that mother Teresa I knew for so many years as dedicated as absolutely given as you what she was not fanatic absolutely not and as a matter of fact mother Teresa could even tell you a little funny ideas you didn't tell jokes Mother Teresa wasn't telling jokes sanctuary all over the last eight weeks of her life she became a totally different person she was always rather somber did sister did you know Torinos at last eight weeks were you around mothers she left III said with father Andrew Apostoli we had to had massive her I said we're never going to see and now you're going to Indian she's going through the door the doors of eternity and she she started eternal life while she was still alive it was remarkable father Hardin was not a fanatic and that could be an important thing in the life of the Saints and in the great history people you do one in once in a while I'm like fanatic at least they look that way historically from here probably the most famous I'm sorry to tell you with the Dominican Saint Vincent Ferrer and you know a lot of people what Dominicans were happy that they did live with Vincent Farah the Vincent Pharaoh was preaching what day and it was a funeral was going by and the corpse set up as the casket and sponsor of it felt out again don't don't get into that one you know but and I'm sure you I can remember a Capuchin it was a fanatic but he didn't get canonized the great holy man for the Solanas Casey or the Capetian venerable father so honest the absolute antithesis of fanaticism so honest never had faculties he couldn't hear confessions or preach they thought he was stupid I thought they were stupid so he never had faculties because he flunked theology in German and he was Irish and and one of his classmates also flunked and they had the promise that they would never ask the faculties and jonno Donovan immediately wrote the Vatican and got his faculties and so on this never had faculty he never asked and when he died there were huge files of reports of miracles 900 MIT miracles and cures and thousands of favours that he had and in the first law file was his faculties they had been sent 50 years ago and he never asked them but you know if you can work miracles you don't have to hear confessions you'll be too busy well father Hart was not a fanatical man he was an utterly dedicated man he was not a terribly humorous man he easily somebody like John of the Cross who would not invite to your birthday Paul you would not invite for the heart your birthday bought and I'm sure he'd ever had one of his own now but he was utterly absolutely dedicated and he was misunderstood it was a man completely going against the tide not only inside of his own community but in religious life and even quite honestly in the hierarchy and that's part of the reason we're in so much trouble to be quite honestly major superiors and hierarchy meant bishops did not speak out against the mistaking the trends in the life of the church and number one example is the scandal at the present time the scandal did not just accidentally happen now anybody older as Milan the thought of a Catholic priest sexually involved with a teenager is unthinkable I I'm a kid who answered the phone in the rectory I work with the priests all my life I was around if I had anything like that would opening directed read or and finally Tyrannosaurus Rex on the front door I it was unthinkable how did that happen well it almost entirely happened in the 70s and 80s I understood this statistic six Rico six acute accusations in 2009 in the whole country six were made and some of them probably are not true many of them are not true out of 65 million people but where does it come from now I'm a psychologist I'm often talking both to the victims and to the many dication very very repentant people don't think that the people the clergy who did these things did it la-dee-da once in a rare time you get a case of it but most of them are horrified and most of the time are not actually sexual acts they're short of that they're improprieties and modesty's where did it come from pick up the popular moral theology books of the 70s and 80s no problem at all now nobody ever said that the abuse of children or youngsters is morally acceptable but and I'll mention the answer one to you a book called human sexuality by Anthony cosmic formerly a Catholic priest of the diocese believe it's a professor at st. Cyril and Methodius seminary and leptin got married and believed me and he's deceased but how do I knew he was leaving I would have sent flowers bottle of white or something like that you know I was delighted because the book among many other books cosmics book is which is an edited book he's not the only writer published by Paulist press given imprimatur and the Holy See withdrew directly the the imprimatur they took her back and people read this and they see moral relativity or even far worse the acceptance of serious sexual attitudes and it's right there read cosmics book and although cosmic explicitly almost it makes the only exception is pedophilia everything else go can I give you the cosmic quotation I'm gonna have it published on bookmarkers you know it's going to say this is cosmic quotes that best eality which is involvement with animals best eality is only pathological if other sexual outs except set out sets or out was outlets are available now is calling human beings sexual outlets than to begin with that now just what you could do with this I was going to published it perhaps picture of pork will comport with minds or perhaps it an aardvark or just just what you could do with a nice picture of a porcupine that's he says this and last Sunday newspaper that I read for fifty years of my life and I don't read now the New York Times it is on its way to death and it's become an anti-catholic rack but it is now moved into psychosis did a mental illness the the front picture of the magazine section on that last Sunday's New York Times is a long long article several pages about quotes gay animals and quotes and on the front picture on to Easter to white vomit bunnies so now behaving themselves perfectly doubly I would say but it was saying there they're becoming gay and inside they get pictures of various other thing birds these they have descended into obvious psychosis I mean the editors should be hospitalized and allied a lot a lot an agency you know what given electoral electronic attack trapped trade treatment now we have arrived at insanity now thanks be to God today I'm allowed amo the Catholic community religious priests lady devout lady which is much smaller than it was is removing itself from the insanity of the time and what's left of the Protestant community and the Jewish community is doing the same thing the mainstream Protestant churches are practically wiped out you never hear of the National Council of Churches well what would you do with it the evangelical Protestants the Orthodox Jews many of them young people whose parents never were inside of a synagogue there now this is where the tides are going and religious communities are going to come back to life the our dear mother Teresa you know that little nun who didn't know she was going to set the world on fire didn't know that at all I remember back in 68 just look at the MCs 8,000 sisters in the world right 8,000 MCS and 500 countries 500 and we know it's not five a five hundred and houses called Tabernacles 5 to 20 but it said I think is a hundred and fourteen countries ISM I couldn't even tell you a hundred and forty income that we have the BAP of all the pens in it our convent in the Bronx now the times are changing and authentic religious communities are beginning to come back now I'm gonna say it getting ready to depart I'm sorry I didn't say it louder earlier if you read psychological anthropology the outstanding man in that field is a name you wouldn't recognize Victor Turner this psychological anthropology both ESPA anthropology and psychological understanding one of the big questions and the secular study of a psychological anthropology is religious life dr. Turner's book has got a whole chapter on religious life and what he calls liminal communities l I am I an a liminal means on the edge limits a limit all okay and religious communities are liminal it means they're outside of the establishment and the most liminal would be those furthest from the center the most liminal community right now in the Catholic Church is the missionaries of charity without without any doubt and it doesn't say the liminal people are necessarily virtuous Charles Manson and his group of murderers they had a little community the collection of people they were livid all but they were on their way to hell the least liminal on those are the least outside of the establishment so for instance the Jesuits are liminal because the poverty chastity obedience but they wet dryer dressed as diocesan priests that and and our professors and maybe professors in secular universities that's what the doesn't mean the being liminal is virtuous but it is mean liminal now the religious orders of sisters and friars and monks in this country and some of the clerks regular like the passion as' and Redemptorists they were liminal they all lost it got lost everybody wants to be part of the establishment everybody like likes to look just like everybody else this is one of the most unlimited groups I had met in many many years and the interesting thing is Catholic religious communities are now becoming liminal again how many communities are brand new communities look at this oh and all of you are outsiders one of the things I was attracted by the Commission's they were outsider I didn't even know that I went to the holy nated the Holy Name parade years ago big cities carried what in October the Holy Name cap array in Newark we had a hundred and twenty five thousand men walked with for parades twenty five thousand and each carry this but any other remember that it was a Catholic civil rights demonstrate and all the priests wore high hats black you know cutaway coat and the officers of each organization perish and they carried shell alleys and I'm standing it in this group of sloppy looking guys and brown robes sandals beards I said who are these people I was brown and they were the cappucci me the Italian campuses and they they were I want to tell you very very liberal and they came from Italy I was going to join them and I went to see poverty in our Berto and he says Oh your name is a German name but your mother's Italian I said oh she's Irish that's a nice but but you like Italian food now in those days non-italians only ate canned Italian food Canada can't say that it was awful I said don't say like a spaghetti no you like a ravioli though like a lasagna I don't know what it is you gotta go to New York enjoy the Derby cafes I got sprawled out now father hardened the Jesuit it's part of the Catholic establishment interesting he wasn't the president of the university he wasn't a professor at a Jesuit university and if he was he wasn't gonna be walking around Fordham in a business suit right I don't mind jay-z was wearing business suits I went to for tonight and when I went to warn him I finally quit because it was so anti-clerical I went to Columbia and I was treated much better completely different at Columbia they they they were not Catholics but they were respectful and supported and interesting I had a wonderful experience at Columbia one slight anti-catholicism and the professor an old jerk your russian woman cut him in pieces dr. Anita but what am i God and I finally eventually taught as an adjunct professor at Fordham and with very popular classes and I was running at lectures in the evening two or three hundred people including brother Roger of Taize and I got fired for no reason I had no reason but I was absolutely no reason and now the head of the department was not a Jesuit it was a diocesan Prix now some people just don't like it live in all things and guess you know have you seen any people giving you the the dark look because you're wearing your habit now they don't do that to the MCS because they were afraid of Mother Teresa they're afraid that she might not did the other side against them you know don't get mother Teresa pray against you'll be true but your sisters your sisters you got any cold looks now see our friars wear habits all the time all the time everybody's nobody bought New York couldn't care less you know they're all friendly but there's a certain group of well-dressed rather aged women giving me the nasty look God deliver me this is a couple of extra days in purgatory hi sister what community are you never put anything about a sister I'm getting there the calls to call what so and it's the time to change now will will father harden be heard he's over all of these things what's gonna happen with the Jesuits they will either die or come back what's going to happen to the cabouchins die or come back anybody and unfortunately there are some orders of women and some Institute's of braces that are on their way out and I don't want to mention them some of them are well known they have no vocations they don't want any vocations they're not the slightest bit interested in having bull gay because they don't believe I'm not even sure some of them believe in God certainly they don't believe in Jesus Christ I mentioned to you the man who wrote the book condemned the book denies the divinity of Christ and the Holy Trinity and I said in a review that the book was Unitarian and he came to see me and he said I'm not a Unitarian I'm a monotheists said why don't you try becoming a Christian because you're a braced nevertheless the Jesuit seminarians got a why I'm telling you or coming back to it they told me that we was stationed with him a Jesuit student plays that for 400 dazing he never said mass and he had to said mass one day and they all showed up to see if he knew how to say mass isn't that breaks my heart believe me but it's over basta finito alles kaputt it's finished and father's Hardin was a great witness a great witness he didn't sit around telling himself he was a great witness he wasn't like that at all I was with him a few days before his death the Carmelite Sisters were taking care of him so beautifully beautifully and then he took to calm the mica combi air what city would that have been Michigan but I was there visiting him i what city will he with the Carmelite say I was there and he was very in pain but never moved a ditch he was offering up his illness he was he knew exactly what a speed to do he was in a great deal of pain and sickness and he was offering it all up now father into the hardened is it an intellectual of the type but he was the second grade intellectual that was not the most important thing in his life there were parts of it that everybody's ignoring did you leave read the books of father Oh father Hardin wrote ecumenical books does anybody know that he wrote a book describing all of the different Protestant denominations in the United States in an intelligent um nasty he gave you there calm calm description and it would have been a very helpful thing if you wanted to apologetically compare what are the Protestants saying he wasn't editorializing up and that everything seems to have forgotten that was how he got started and they don't mention those books he went on and on he is first of all a believer secondly an apostle no question if you can call st. Paul with that part of the 12 group if you can call Saint Paul the Apostle you can call father Hardin the Apostle and although I have been criticized in critici-- critical of the Society of Jesus I am also immensely grateful to the Jesuits in general and in particular ways like like father droll a father Daniel a lord they gave us one the father delay was my spiritual director at Saint Ignatius and the that they worked hard and delegated Lee and observed poverty I used to go visit droll a and the the residence of the Jesuits and st. Ignatius Loyola Church in Manhattan it was a dump father droll a had his books on crepes orange cake crates piled up and that was that was the book shelf I was vastly in part father these are damn great lived there and I remember the old bed the old Irishman effort of oh and father teacher Dan upstairs what her father teacher Dan p.m. as they thought that and father droll a and father labeouf both told me that he was a very devout man some of his ideas got a little on the edgy side and I visited when I went to st. Andrews I went to say a little prayer and his his casket he was a man very much like the dominican mystic meister eckhart great man but and very sincere and very believing but a little bit over tall the edge of the die agra Falls now I pray that father Hardin is praying for us I'm one of the witnesses in his cause of Deanna vacation did you know that did you know that father I was one of the witness and very very early Archbishop Burke asked me to be a witness and it's interesting that the cause of father Hardin was not begun by the society was garden started by Archbishop Burke and the will see where that's all going to go but I tell you that this man was an apostle a totally dedicated man absolute Christian as Newman says being a gentleman could be a little bit unconvenient to be a great Christian so he was not for a gentleman he was a Christian and second the Newman says this and III think this organization is very old to him and I'm praying now that a very fine biography of father harden now there are biographies but it's too soon to have the great biography it's too early it takes some distance and without the slightest doubt as the friar I say that I very day every day pray to my good friend for the heart god bless questions arguments disagreements obfuscation z' confusions nobody yeah you know what this group needs is some Jews I'm from New York and the s a group love like this but Jews yet twenty five questions right off the bat you must be a part to issues all right personally my own conviction is the whole thing ultimately is a media event first of all the amount with the American educational Association published a few years ago the statistic that one out of every seven girls in the United States has been abused either physically or verbally that means there's a whole lot of it abusers all over the place secondly it is frequently not is it not pub and not published I was in my office and a woman came very upset that she had thrown her husband out who was a professional man eminent man not well-known but a very eminent proved profession and supposedly he had a bla used two of the three kids so I said well the first thing we got to do is we have to tell the place so you know there is an agency there and she came back and the assistant district attorney came a woman came with her I've heard the whole thing and the assistant an attorney above a very fine may she's under the deputy da she said now if you want me I will prosecute him and he will go to jail for seven years but what are you gonna live on what are you gonna live on international man you're used to a upper-middle class life what are you gonna do and where the cases within families are very very seldom prosecuted very so recently there was a big case in New York of a rabbi he had several victims he could confessed he was put on trial who confessed and he was put on probation and told that to work with kids and go into therapy but he was not prosecuted because of his dignity that's in the New York Times that's in the New York Times so if you read the articles in the New York Times particularly against the articles against the Pope what they do they manipulate the headline Pope engaged in scandal but uh and there is a possibility in the short very short time he was Bishop of a Munich the vicar general or somebody was handling this case it's unfortunate but I want to tell you a lot of people handle cases now because I'm a psychologist I put everybody under the seal of confession I never can say anything I'll tell any person I only see clear actually but I did fathered you're gonna talk to me I'm under the seal of confession and I don't have to think anymore about what I'm doing but and very very rarely would there be a pedophile case very rarely and if there are they go into therapy publicly some go to jail a few most do not go to jail district attorneys judges I have paid people who do not have credible records it's a first case and it's obviously linked to pathology anyone who is sexually involved with a minor it's sick who becomes involved with children a child Mille it's nuts and probably in some better time of civilization we will have it to some degree we're moving in that direction now people that are convicted or admitted different kinds of sexual misbehavior probably don't go to jail they go to a treatment friend program which is confectioner it's held it's behind the the end of the wall or the defense and probably in more advanced states like in California this is do this very much they have prisons so qual for treatment program for people in California but the papers of course the secular paper hate the Pope and hate the Catholic Church because of our opposition to abortion euthanasia it's the same sex marriage and a few other things they are and be glad and rejoice because when they say evil things against you be glad and rejoice because your names are inscribed in the kingdom of heaven it's better than a papal indulgences your names and and you know I I very seldom are involved with an ongoing case but I often have to talk to people who have been adjudicated and in settled father could you say something about you well just your own assessment of the John Jay report and then if father Hardin ever said anything to you about the problem of homosexuality within religious communities now remind me of the John Jay I know the name they basically said that we shouldn't equate what when I was pedophilia strictly speaking and then had nothing to do with homosexuality within religious communities well it's very interesting I made an observation that it's factually but many pedophile cases are homosexual it's a man with a boy I don't want to go out else you want to call it and a writer in the the Dallas Morning Times excoriated me excoriated me and somehow or other found the names of several priests that I had worked with taken off the job none of them were taken off because of children but they were maybe got married or they didn't attend marriages some but he had all these names and whatever to me and he was president of the Texas gay lesbian George Ernest association that sounds like the day before kind of a funny story you know somebody who okay that one out better the gay lesbian Texas Journalists Association where do they meet now first of all it's not surprising that you would find in a celibate life that a person might have made this adjustment probably only as partially to adopt a life without sexuality that that's not a surprise and years ago and even more frequently I would say the religious communities in moments of considerable confusion openly welcomed students who were gay in quotes they act that way they admit it they talk about it and they're not talking simply about in class and clinicians if they're talking about inclinations it's probably going to move into behavior and the community that I left the provincial died of AIDS and I wasn't going to stick around to that he wasn't ill at that time but and half the people in the province don't even admit to that's what he died but he did now I don't think it's the worst of all sins that's murder you know so we do not have anybody go to Keith's murder the guys who get involved with ladies leave and get Bali you know they all right get buried I have a set of a bottle of wine or something you know and get a papal letter or so said about something over for the Apostolic Nuncio and that's but if a person has some homosexual inclinations and they can't get it under control then you get this going on in religious communities now as the communities of orders of sisters are now falling apart not this but the type of community that belongs to LC w are in which there are many many excellent sisters but they're stuck in that mess I'm not invited every year to speak to the LC w and I wouldn't go if I did but I don't have a lot of very good sisters out there of them or even you know active their summated the superiors or whatever their captain of a team or something it it isn't religious life what's going on is not religious life and actually it's an injustice because they should be paying taxes it's not a religious community it's scandalous now and they don't know what to do they don't ready to join another community they don't want to join another community itself fed up with the nonsense that they lived through but I will say absolutely part of the fact is to have a religious community you have to live together work together or have obedience committed to do with chastity and religious garms as dr. Turner who was not a Catholic he is a Content now but he says a liminal person wears identifiable uniform clothing that's not just religious hippies hippies are know I walked in here and he's in a gray flannel suit and a white shirt and a tie and he says I'm happy is he happy no you can't be happy like they dress like a happy so the the what do you do a transvestite says an interesting question but they're very liberal of each other but the the communities are simply disappearing what looks what happens in New York we have our sisters at 35 sisters the sisters of life have a hundred sisters founded by Cardinal O'Connor a couple of others in New York that are growing some of the sisters representing here brave souls facing the situation are a little Sisters of the Poor they have they are the Saint Jean jeans you can how many sisters in the world how many sister two thousand three thousand and so things are gonna get get back and III I don't believe looking at success Americans love success so when I tell them we got a hundred and fifty friars oh you must be doing the right thing I don't know that I I hope with doing the right thing I think we are though but that doesn't prove it now as you have the growth of sexual misbehavior heterosexual almost sexual trisexual you know you know trisexual try anything okay that's a New York City Police Department phrase there it is charities like pregnancy you is either you is eu8 every night so the and and these times as I mentioned theological theological writers and some psychological writers have led people into real mistake now baba worthy fab it word this was worth all this to them just to hear this a person who is struggling with personality difficulties which may in the area of morality like sobriety like chastity whatever else they have to be in therapy but therapy alone does not do anything and who could have told you that Alcoholics Anonymous I've never had a strong drink in my life but I'm a friend of AAA you know you heard of al-anon holiday I started my own group calls Alice schlep schlep is a word to be mecan't get anything dot as a schlep an Alice lap is people of people who would have been great alcoholics but they never got started somebody said that to be Benedict if you haven't become an alcoholic you would have done a great job so LS lap now you have to have an a a whatever else you do you must have conversion the steps of a a or out and an EA and all the other si is that everything there must be a personal conversion it's right there and it's a just step three four and five and be sending people to a excellent therapist for twenty years three times a week and two hundred dollars a copy and they don't get converted it's still there they may be behaving but there must be the the heart there must be the personal Congo it's it's confrontation and this is American Catholicism got sold out to psychotherapy completely III was a psychologist forty years ago and I was embarrassed to meet I went to Columbia and I was embarrassed because people with so many naive and practically all the priests that I know who became psychologists or psychiatrists left a barista not all but there's a few but but I don't know whether it was a way to get out or what it was but the I taught a whole lot of people of our expertise what they was still Brees brothers and sisters you've been patient glory be to the Father and to the Son and to the holy s--t Oh Mary can see without sin st. Joseph st. Francis and if you're thinking about it you might even make a private prayer to follow the heart amen

Channel: Institute on Religious Life

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Keywords: Roman Catholic Church (Religious Organization), Insititute on Religious Life

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Length: 72min 22sec (4342 seconds)

Published: Mon Apr 25 2016