‘Trans women shouldn’t compete in women’s sports’

do you think that trans women should be allowed to competing in women's sports no I think a lot of people are so work that there's an old hip-hop head myself I know that there's no such thing as a typical route to being a rapper but if there were use wouldn't be it tell us about your story about how you ended up making the music okay sure thing so um my story starts way back so I was born in the UK I moved to Saudi Arabia with my family when I was very young and lived there and went to school there for a while before coming back to England I went to a boarding school here for a while I went to Oxford University I studied computer science while I was in university I started rapping just began as a hobby to begin with I released my first album when I was in my second year of university which did really well and then after I graduated I did my music full-time for about a year moved to London worked in the corporate world for a couple of years whilst juggling my music stuff on the side and then in 2011 I took the big plunge and I've been doing my music full-time ever since yeah but there can't be many rappers we've had a previous career in the city of all things can there aren't that many I am aware of a couple I am aware of a couple I don't know if you know I think he's not a rapper but I don't know if you know John Legend used to work for I think Boston Consulting Group where a few other rappers who have worked in investment banking and things like that so it's a typical but um it is possible you know I always people often joke about me going to Oxford and getting a degree from there and then going on to become a rapper but um I always say you know a degree is to open doors not to close them now that's none of this is to say that you're not political um with your music and indeed with you with your own views you once described yourself remember reading this and I think it's a great is the Jordan the Jordan Peterson of rap and that was that was all to do with a tweet a video that you did just tells the story there I posted a video of me doing a two hundred and thirty kilogram deadlift around 500 pounds or so and in the video I said something like um the caption was I keep hearing about how biological men have no advantage over women in 2019 so watch me destroy the British woman's deadlift record without trying and then I wrote PS I identified as a woman whilst doing this lift so don't be a bigot and the video went crazy they got Scott almost approaching 1.6 million views now it was covered by lots of national news lots of international news that may well have been how you found out about me it went a lot further than I ever imagined or predicted at the point when I tweeted that from my phone so the response to it as yeah the response to it has been been crazy but you seem you seem to be making a political point when you said you know I a PS I identified as a woman reward what are your views on trans polity is that an trans experience is that political I think it was just making a rather obvious point that lots of other people didn't want to make which is that biological men and biological women are different that shouldn't be that shouldn't be a controversial statement and any sort of saying world it's something we're all implicitly and explicitly aware of and do you know that everyone knows that the reason why sports are sex segregated to begin with is because males are stronger and faster than females are on average especially once you get to an elite level there's a very large performance difference so do you think do you think that trans women should be allowed to compete in in women's sports no I don't and I think that anyone who's aware of biology and isn't being driven by ideological and emotional factors would agree with that what do you mean by ideological factors well if you've gone through puberty as a male I mean if neck even if I went on a hormonal treatment for one year I think to bring my testosterone down to a certain level and then I went and I did actually enter a female powerlifting competition next year or say Anthony Joshua in boxing transition to a woman and next year and was boxing okay biological women I think you'd have to be either stupid or you know ideologically possessed to think that that would be remotely fair because it's not there is a strength advantage there's a speed advantage there's a body size difference and we're we're all aware of this so I think it's I just think it's fairly it's fairly clear-cut I think that's something people know but because of the current climate a lot of people are afraid to say that because they fear the mob but so I was just making a point it was obviously rather tongue-in-cheek but um I think the reason it resonated so with so many people was just it was like okay finally somebody is pointing this out so to what extent then would you respect the wishes of a trans person to be identified to be spoken about in a certain way in terms of gender pronouns we're going back to the Jordan okay yeah sure in terms of just politeness and being kind to people and not going out of my way to offend people just like I generally don't you know I don't want to it doesn't matter who I'm talking to I try to treat every human being that I speak to with respect and you know I was raised to treat people as I wish to be treated so that's fine I think from I think the concern this is the thing that you know Jordan Peterson raised up with a bill c16 in Canada the concern is when it starts affecting laws or in the terms of sports like regulations and things where there's actually a direct potential impact where you're forcing something on other people I'm very much a live and let live kind of person so but I think as soon as it starts encroaching on stepping on other people's toes or forcing other people to accept things or believe things and it doesn't matter what that's about I think that's when society a free society anyway runs into some issues given all of that and giving you a young articulate black man what do you think about a topic of conversation that is arising a lot more often these days the idea of reparations reparations even in the u.s. in the US and what remember them in the UK itself had had a major role within the slave didn't it for a long time people have argued in the past but it's about time that we paid our debt I think people just need to move on I think it's good to acknowledge history and it's important to be aware of the mistakes that have made been made in the past and but I think also it's important to not dwell on them and that that's from all sides okay so nobody who's alive now in the Western world they're there's minor bits of slavery that still exist but you know that we're attempting to stamp that out but generally speaking nobody was a slave nobody owned a slave nobody's parents even were slaves or slave owners or anything like that I feel like I mean what people we should draw a line in the sand there and move on and also from a actual point I mean even if someone did make a case for it it's not tenable to actually implement mm-hm so if you take the USA for example where that would probably be the best case for it how on earth would you even calculate who is owed what and who pays what there's no feasible way I think that would it would really be done I think certain politicians are talking about it as a political tool to you know gin up votes in certain communities but I don't know I'd like to see how they would propose that it actually be implemented I don't think it's tenable you must still be aware that there will be there would be American Americans you hear usage a of course it is you know time to move on who point out that slavery and the absence of the same civil rights as white Americans are so central to their black identity that it's almost impossible to move on to box it up and put it to one side and and ultimately as you're suggesting forget about it yeah I'm not even saying forget about it I mean you can acknowledge something that you couldn't know I mean the thing is if you're going to talk about slavery how far you're gonna every race of people has been enslaved at some point in history and every race of people has enslaved people in history I think when people talk about slavery they always think specifically about slavery in North America mmm-hmm but I mean the word slave itself comes from Slav so from Eastern Europeans so there have been white people in slave there have been Arabs and slave there you know and it's I think part of that conversation is because people view it in such a narrow lens so if you were if you were going to really go back and do that you'd have to really look at everybody everybody's history there will be black people who you'll find who their ancestors were slave owners and we're selling slaves and you'll find Arab people in the same situation you'll find white people whose descendants were who are descendants from slaves and so you'd have to expand the whole conversation to millions and millions or billions of people and I don't know how you'd find out who it was what does it at all concern you that let's just confine this entirely to the world of music that there will be those who suggest what those who are surprised by the fact that your rather less inadvertent commas walk than the majority I think a lot of people are so work that they're asleep I think there's almost two separate definitions of woke now I mean there's one level where it basically means being ideologically possessed by some of these ideas which doesn't strike me as meaning what woke should and then there's like a layer below that where someone realizes okay some of these things don't really make sense or are not good ideas or are not tenable or some of them even are directly in conflict with each other for example I use that I think of promoting culture multiculturalism whilst claiming things or cultural appropriation so if I make sushi I'm now culturally appropriating Japanese people but at the same time you're saying oh no I should embrace Japanese culture and cuisine it's like well which which one of these things is it if you're gonna take a whole bunch of people from different places in London or in New York at any any place where you've got a whole bunch of religious ethnic racial whatever diversity then people are gonna you know things are gonna people are going to influence each other things are going to rub off on each other I mean I'm a rapper hip hip hop was created in New York in the 70s so our British rappers culturally appropriating Americans are Chinese rappers German rappers are only Americans allowed to rap I mean how far do you go and I mean I remember the first time I really heard this phrase cultural appropriation was actually in relay to Eminem when I was a teenager that was the first time I really heard that phrase cuz there was there were people claiming that Eminem was culturally appropriating black culture and hip-hop and whatever and I remember even at that time being a little bit puzzled by this idea of you're saying well you want all that you want everybody to participate this is an art form that's created and everybody can participate it's inclusive and then someone who's outside of a certain box wants to get involved and now you want to demonize them for that and it doesn't make sense hey there are even a few Scottish rappers these days of course there are as there should be instead CD many thanks for joining us here what I did

Channel: Sky News

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Keywords: Sky News, News, divided, zuby, rapper, oxford university, graduate, trans, woman, man, lgbt, gay rights, stonewall, caster semenya, transphobia, deadlift, record, influencer, sky, interviews, transgender, identity, entertainment, hip hop, urban, grime, jordan peterson, controversial, right wing, music, weightlifting, deadlifting

Id: HuVGDjxPjFw

Length: 11min 39sec (699 seconds)

Published: Thu Aug 15 2019

Reddit Comments

[u/Ralfoo]

10 sec in "im the Jordan Peterson of rap" ..ok i got it bye, fkn Cringe

[u/KGlife]

The gangsta right is getting better at comedy, and it's making the gangsta left nervous!

[u/[deleted]]

The right is getting better at comedy and the left is shaking in their pants

[u/qwertyasdf151]

The day right wing rhetoric successfully infiltrates rap is the day i end it

[u/[deleted]]

Lmao at one of the top comments praising him for being "articulate".

[u/LeonTheCasual]

Always funny how some discrepancy is how trans rights should enter gendered sports is enough to discredit trans rights entirely.