HIS, EVERYONE. IT'S 4:00 IN NEW YORK. THREATS AND INTIMIDATION LEADING TO DOXING AND STALKING, APPARENTLY NOT ENOUGH FOR DONALD TRUMP AND HIS ACOLYTES. NOW TRUMP ALLIES ARE PLOTTING REVENGE AND THEIR RETALIATION AGAINST THE PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE AUDACITY TO HOLD THE EXPRESIDENT ACCOUNTABLE. "NEW YORK TIMES" WITH THIS, QUOTE -- WITHIN HOURS OF A JURY FINDING MR. TRUMP GUILTY LAST WEEK, THE ANGER CONYIELD INTO DEMANDS FOR ACTION. SINCE THEN, THE PROMINENT GOP LEADERS HAVE DEMANDED THEY USE EVERY INSTRUMENT OF POWER AGAIN DEMOCRATS, INCLUDED TARGETED INVESTIGATIONS AND PROSECUTORS. HERE STEP MILLER PUTS IT -- >> IS EVERY HOUSE COMMITTEE CONTROLLED BY REPUBLICANS? IN EVERY WAY, IT NEEDS TO RIGHT NOW WITH EVERY REPUBLICAN D.A. TO START IS EVERY DONOR OFF THE SIDELINES AND IN THE GAME, THE RICH GUYS, THE WEALTHY GUYS? EVERYTHING FACET OF REPUBLICAN PARTY POLITICS AND POWER HAS TO BE USED RIGHT-TO-NOW TO GO TOE TO TOE WITH MARXISM AND BEAT THESE -- >> WHY DO YOU HAVE TO TALK TO JESSE WATERS THAT WAY? MAYBE HE KNOWS. I DON'T KNOW. ECHOES MILLER'S TIRADE, TRUMP'S COMRADES IN ARMS IN THE JANUARY 6th BANNON SAID IN A TEXT MESSAGE TO THE TIMES ON TUESDAY THAT NOW IS THE MOMENT FOR OBSCURE REPUBLICAN PROSECUTORS AROUND THE COUNTRY TO MAKE A NAME FOR THEMSELVES BY PROSECUTING DEMOCRATS. THERE ARE DOZENS WHO NEED TO SEIZE THE DAY AND OWN THIS MOMENT IN HISTORY, BANNON WROTE. THREATS OF REVENGE FROM TRUMP AND HIS ALLIES ARE, OF COURSE, NOTHING NEW. IT'S THE OLDEST STORY. KING TRUMP HAS CALLING FOR HILLARY CLINTON TO BE INVESTIGATED FOR DECADES. IT'S ALL PART OF TRUMP'S BRAND AND POLITICAL MOVEMENT. IT'S A CENTERPIECE OF HIS 2024 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN BUILT AROUND A POLITICIAN WHOSE INSTINCTSSH THOSE OF A MOB BOSS, NOT ANYTHING REASSEMBLY A PUBLIC SERVANT. WE SHOULD PAY ATTENTION. "NEW YORK TIMES" WRITS, QUOTE, THE INTENSITY OF ANGER AND OPEN DESIRE FOR USING THE JUSTICE SYSTEM AGAINST DEMOCRATS AFTER THE VERDICT SURPASSES ANY SEEN BEFORE. WHAT IS DIFFERENT NOW IS THE RANGE OF REPUBLICANS SAYING RETALIATION IS NECESSARY AND ARE NO LONGER CLOAKING THEIR INTEND. PLANS ARE BEING -- THE GUYS THAT APPEAR IN COURT, THE RED TIE BRIGADE. SPEAKER MIKE JOHNSON IS PLANNING ON PUNISHING DOJ. JIM JORDAN IS PROPOSES BARRING FEDERAL FUNDS TO GOING FROM ALVIN BRAGG OR FANNI WILLIS. ALL OF IT IN TERMS SERVICE OF THE GAME WHO HAD SEX WITH A IMPORTANT STAR AND TRIED TO COVER IT UP. HE'S MADE IT CRYSTAL CLEAR THIS IS HIS VISION FOR REHAVE BEEN. LAST NIGHT HIS VIEWSSH WATCH. >> WOULDN'T IT BE TERRIBLE TO THROW THE PRESIDENT'S WIFE AND THE FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE -- THINK OF IT -- THE FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE -- THE PRESIDENT'S WIFE INTO JAIL? WOULDN'T THAT BE A TERRIBLE THING? BUT THEY WANT TO DO IT. SO, YOU KNOW, IT'S A TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE PATH THAT THEY'RE LEADING US TO, AND IT'S VERY POSSIBLE THAT IT'S GOING TO HAVE TO HAPPEN TO THEM. >> DONALD TRUMP AND THE MAGA MOVEMENT PLOTTING TO TAKE A WRECKING BALL TO REFLECT THE RULE OF LAW IN AMERICA IN THE WAYS OF THE EX-PRESIDENT BEING HELD CRIMINALLY ACCOUNTABLE IS WHERE WE BEGIN INTO, HOST OF "THE BULWARK" PODCAST IS BACK. ANDREW WEISSMANN IS BACK. >> JOHN HEILEMANN IS HERE, AND MISINCREASES NATIONAL SECURITY CONTRIBUTOR MIKE SCHMIDT IS BACK WITH US AT THE TABLE. MIKE SCHMIDT, I REMEMBER ONE OF THE FIRST TIME I READ ABOUT HOW MUCH TRUMP WAS TRYING TO DO THIS AS PRESIDENT, YOU WROTE A STORY ABOUT EFFORTS OF DON McGAHN TO PROSECUTOR I THINK HILLARY CLINTON, JIM COMEY AND MAYBE OTHERS. HE WAS RESTRAINED IN THOSE YEARS FROM DOING THAT SOMEWHAT. DURHAM UNNECESSARILY INVESTIGATED A NUMBER OF PEOPLE, BUT THIS IS BASED ON TODAY'S TIMES' REPORTING. THIS HAS BEEN TURBOCHARGED BUSINESS HIS CONVICTION. >> I THINK IF FALLS INTO A CATEGORY OF THINGS THAT HE SORT OF HAS FIGURED OUT. HE FIGURED OUT IN THE LAST WEEKS OF THE PRESIDENCY, HE COULD DO MORE WITHOUT THE GUARDRAILS AROUND, AND HE WOULD PLOW DIRECTLY INTO IF HE CAME BACK. HE'S REALLY WANTED THIS TO BE DONE -- THERE'S AN ADECK DOTE IN THE MUELLER REPORT, WHERE HE ESSENTIALLY HELD SESSIONS' JOB OVER HIS HEAD, SAYING I'M GOING TO GET RID OF YOU UNLESS YOU PROSECUTOR HILLARY CLINTON, BUT THERE WERE THESE GUARDRAILS. DON McGAHN WRITING A LENGTHY MEMO, THIS IS WHY YOU CANNOT DO THIS. THIS IS WHY IT'S A TERRIBLE IDEA. THEY WERE ABLE TO CONTAIN TRUMP. OBVIOUSLY, AMONG MANY OTHER THINGS, IF HE WERE TO COME BACK, IN THE SAME WAY HE TALKS ABOUT HIS USED PARDONS TO FREE THE JANUARY 6th RIOTERS, THESE ARE THINGS THAT HE WOULD USE THE GOVERNMENT'S POWER PROACTIVELY TO GO AFTER ENEMIES. THAT'S DIFFERENT THAN OBSTRUCTION. OBSTRUCTION IS A SERIOUS THING, IT'S ILLEGAL, BUT TO USE THE POWERS OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AGAINST AN ENEMY WOULD BE A NEW CHAPTER. >> IT'S DIFFICULT, BECAUSE I THINK YOU LOOK AT HOW 9 PRESIDENCY ENDED WITH THE DEADLY INSURRECTION,Y THE HANGING OF MIKE PENCE WAS THE END RESULT OF THE INSURRECTIONISTS. BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING AND I THINK PEOPLE SIGH WHEN YOU HEAR OF GUARDRAILS, BUT THIS IS SOMETHING SPCHK HESPECIFIC, AND THERE WERE ENOUGH PEOPLE WITH ENOUGH MUSCLE MEMORY, EVEN IF IT WAS PERFECT, THEY WERE ENOUGH OF A REIN ON HIM, AND YOU'RE SAYING THE GIG IS UP -- >> HE ALSO WASN'T SOPHISTICATED ENOUGH ON HOW TO PLOW THROUGH THAT. HE COULD PLOW UP TO A CERTAIN POINT, BUT TO GET BEYOND BEYOND DON McGAHN OR JOHN KELLY, HE COULDN'T FIGURE THAT OUT, BUT HE'S GOTTEN BETTER. WE'VE SEEN SOME OF THAT AT THE END OF HIS PRESIDENCY. I THINK YOU HAVE TO TAKE HIM AT HIS WORD. >> YOU KNOW, INTERESTING THAT YOU WERE ON THE MILLAR INVESTIGATION, I THINK PEOPLE HAVE TO THINK OF IT AS RADICALLY AS IT'S BEING REPORTED. THERE WOULDN'T BE A JEFF SESSIONS -- I MEAN, NO ONE WOULD LAST FIVE MINUTES IF THEY DISPLEASED HIM. JIM COMEY IS FIRED TO NOT LETTING FLYNN GO. FRONTLINE WOULD NEVER BE CHARGED. IT'S SUCH A DEPARTURE FROM TRUMP 1.0, AND I THINK THERE WOULD BE AREAS THAT WOULD BE A LOT WORSE. I THINK THIS IS ONE THAT DEMANDS OUR FOCUS IN THIS MOMENT. >> I THINK MIKE HAS IT COMPLETELY RIGHT, THAT THERE WERE PEOPLE -- PARTICULARLY AT THE START OF THE TRUMP 1.0 ADMINISTRATION THAT JUST WON'T BE THERE. JEFF SESSIONS, WHETHER YOU AGREE OR DISAGREE WITH HIS POLITICAL VIEWS AND WHAT HE WANTED TO DO WITH THE DEPARTMENT, HE UNDERSTOOD IT TO BE INDEPENDENT. AS WE REPORTED IN THE MUELLER RECORD, HE HIMSELF GAVE THE INFORMATION ABOUT WHAT IT WAS THAT THE THEN PRESIDENT TRUMP WANTED HIM TO DO WITH RESPECT TO HILLARY CLINTON. AT THAT POINT, THEY GOT RID OF HIM, AND BILL BARR WAS HIS LACKEY. THAT'S WHAT WOULD BE THE SCOPE OF A TRUMP 2.0. YOU DON'T REALLY HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT WHAT WOULD HAPPEN. YOU'RE SEEING IT RIGHT NOW. IN OTHER WORDS, ALL OF THE PEOPLE WHO ARE -- WHO KNOW MUCH, MUCH BETTER AND ARE GOING ALONG WITH THIS, I KEEP ON SORT OF USING SENATOR COLLINS AS AN EXAMPLE. SHE KNOWS DAMN WELL THAT THIS IS FUNDAMENTALLY INCONSISTENT REQUEST WHAT IT MEANS TO BE A DEMOCRACY UNDERLE RULE OF LAW, AND IS NOT SAYING ANYTHING. THAT IS THE ROAD TO HELL FOR THIS COUNTRY. IT COMES WITH SUCH POOR GRACE AT THIS MOMENT, WHEN YOU HAVE THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE PROSECUTING DEMOCRATS, YOU HAVE SENATOR MENENDEZ ON TRIAL RIGHT NOW. YOU HAVE HUNTER BIDEN ON TRIAL RIGHT NOW. SO, YOU UNDERSTAND WHY A DEFENDANT LIKE DEFENDANT DONALD TRUMP WOULD HAVE THIS GRIEVANCE WITH RESPECT TO THE UN-JUSTICE SYSTEM, BUT WHAT IS SO ANATHEMA TO THE RULE OF LOW AND US REMAINING AS A RULE OF LAW COMPANY, ALL OF THE ENABLES, WHO DON'T SEE THEMSELVES AS A JEFF SESSIONS OR A DON
