>>> SO WE HAVE A LOT MORE TO GET TO THIS HOUR. WE'RE ALREADY EIGHT MINUTES INTO THE SECOND HOUR OF "MORNING JOE." AT HIS RALLY IN LAS VEGAS YESTERDAY, DONALD TRUMP ONCE AGAIN SUGGESTED HE WOULD PARDON THE JANUARY 6th INSURRECTIONISTS IN A SECOND TERM, WHOM HE CALLED HOSTAGES AND VICTIMS AND WARRIORS. HE ALSO ACCUSED THE CAPITOL POLICE, WHO WERE BRUTALIZED DURING THE ATTACK, OF SETTING UP THE RIOTERS TO BE ARRESTED. >> WE'RE GOING TO DO A LOT OF THINGS. WE'RE GOING TO LOOK STRONGLY AT J-6, THOSE PEOPLE. THERE HAS NEVER BEEN PEOPLE TREATED MORE HORRIFICALLY THAN J-6 HOSTAGES. THE J-6 WARRIORS, THEY WERE WARRIORS, BUT THEY WERE, MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE, VICTIMS OF WHAT HAPPENED. ALL THEY WERE DOING IS PROTESTING A RIGGED ELECTION. THAT'S WHAT THEY WERE DOING. THEN THE POLICE SAY, "GO IN, GO IN, GO IN, GO ON IN, EVERYONE. GO ON IN." WHAT A SETUP THAT WAS. WHAT A HORRIBLE, HORRIBLE THING. >> AS FOR WHAT ACTUALLY HAPPENED ON JANUARY 6th, ON FOOTAGE WE JUST OBTAINED FROM CONGRESSIONAL SOURCES, SHOWS TOP DEMOCRATIC LAWMAKERS QUESTIONING THE WHEREABOUTS OF THE NATIONAL GUARD DURING THE JANUARY 6th CAPITOL ATTACK. AS THE CAPITOL WAS BEING OVERRUN, THEN HOUSE SPEAKER NANCY PELOSI GRILLED HER CHIEF OF STAFF ABOUT THE SITUATION AS THEY WERE EVACUATED FOR THEIR SAFETY. TAKE A LOOK. >> YOU'RE GOING TO ASK ME IN THE MIDDLE OF THE THING WHEN THEY'VE ALREADY BREACHED THE INAUGURAL STUFF THAT THEY'D CALL THE CAPITOL POLICE, THE NATIONAL GUARD? WHY WASN'T THE NATIONAL GUARD THERE? >> THE FOOTAGE ALSO SHOS NANCY PELOSI AND CHUCK SCHUMER SPEAKING WITH McCARTHY AND LATER WASHINGTON MAYOR BOWSER ABOUT THE STATUS OF THEIR REQUEST FOR HELP FROM THE NATIONAL GUARD. >> SECRETARY McCARTHY AND SENATOR SCHUMER, DO YOU KNOW WHAT'S GOING ON? OKAY, D.C. HAS REQUESTED THE NATIONAL GUARD. IT'S BEEN DENIED BY D.O.D. I'D LIKE TO KNOW A GOOD GOD DAMN REASON IT'S BEEN DENIED. WE NEED THEM FAST. I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE THIS. WE'RE LIKE A THIRD-WORLD COUNTRY HERE. WE HAD TO RUN AND EVACUATE THE CAPITOL. YES, THEY HAVE NOT DENIED IT. I SPOKE TO THE SECRETARY OF THE ARMY. HE HAS GIVEN IT A FULL OKAY AND SAID IT WAS NOT DENIED. I'M CALLING UP THE F-ING SECRETARY OF D.O.D. >> WE HAVE HAD MIXED MESSAGES ABOUT -- OKAY, THANK YOU -- ABOUT THE NATIONAL REQUEST, OUR REQUEST, AS WELL, FOR THE NATIONAL GUARD TO MOVE IN. >> OKAY. MADAM SPEAKER, LET ME GIVE YOU A RUNDOWN. CAPITOL POLICE SENT THE REQUEST FOR THE NATIONAL GUARD FOR PROBABLY MORE THAN AN HOUR AGO. THERE WAS -- I THOUGHT THERE WAS SOME RESISTANCE FROM THE SECRETARY OF THE ARMY FOLKS TO DEPLOY PERSONNEL ON THE GROUND FOR THE CAPITOL. >> IT TOOK MORE THAN THREE HOURS, THREE HOURS FOR THE NATIONAL GUARD TO ARRIVE TO THAT CHAOTIC SCENE, TO THAT RIOT, TO THE ATTACK ON THE CAPITOL. ACCORDING TO "POLITICO," FOUR FORMER MEMBERS OF THE GUARD DESCRIBED A FRUSTRATING EXPERIENCE OF BEING PREVENTED FOR HOURS FROM BEING ABLE TO RESPOND AND RECOUNTED SENIOR ARMY OFFICIALS EXPRESSING CONCERN ABOUT THE OPTICS OF DEPLOYING THE GUARD. BUT THEY SAVED THEIR FIERCEST CRITICISM FOR McCARTHY. KEVIN McCARTHY. WHO THEY DESCRIBED AS -- I'M SORRY -- OH, FOR THE ARMY, A TOTALLY DIFFERENT McCARTHY. I APOLOGIZE. THE PERSON THEY WERE TRYING TO REACH THERE ON THE PHONE, THEY DESCRIBED AS UNRESPONSIVE TO THEIR OUTREACH IN THE MIDST OF THE CHAOS. REPUBLICANS HAVE SPENT YEARS ACCUSING PELOSI OF NEGLECTING HER DUTY TO DEFEND THE CAPITOL. DESPITE EVIDENCE THAT IT WAS A SHARED RESPONSIBILITY AMONG CONGRESSIONAL LEADERS WHO, IN TURN, RELIED ON THE ASSESSMENTS OF POLICE AND SECURITY OFFICIALS. BUT AS "POLITICO" REPORTS, THE NEW FOOTAGE DOES NOT BOLSTER GOP CLAIMS OF MANY PELOSI BEING AT FAULT. INSTEAD, IT LARGELY ALIGNS WITH AND ADDS DEPTH TO PREVIOUS SNIPPETS OF ALEXANDRA PELOSI'S FOOTAGE RELEASED BY THE JANUARY 6th SELECT COMMITTEE AND IN AN HBO DOCUMENTARY THAT WAS RELEASED IN 2022. THE UNAIRED FOOTAGE ALSO SHOWS DEMOCRATIC LEADERS DEMANDING THAT THEN PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP TELL HIS SUPPORTERS TO LEAVE THE CAPITOL. JANUARY 6th. HERE IS NANCY PELOSI AND CHUCK SCHUMER SPEAKING WITH ACTING ATTORNEY GENERAL JEFF ROSEN. >> GET THE PRESIDENT TO TELL THEM TO LEAVE THE CAPITOL, MR. GENERAL, IN YOUR LAW ENFORCEMENT RESPONSIBILITY. A PUBLIC STATEMENT, THEY SHOULD ALL LEAVE. HIS TWEET SAID, "WE ARE FOR PEACE." >> LAW AND ORDER. >> LAW AND ORDER. WHY DON'T YOU GET HIM TO MAKE THAT STATEMENT? WOULD YOU DO THAT? >> WE'RE -- >> WILL YOU ASK THE PRESIDENT TO MAKE A STATEMENT TO ASK THEM TO LEAVE THE CAPITOL? >> SO, AS YOU MIGHT GUESS, WE'RE COORDINATING AS QUICKLY AND AS -- >> NO, NO, NO. PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTION. ANSWER MY QUESTION! >> SENATOR, I'M GOING TO DO EVERYTHING I CAN DO. >> DOES THAT INCLUDE ASKING THE PRESIDENT TO GET THESE PEOPLE WHO ARE FOLLOWERS OF HIS TO LEAVE THE CAPITOL? >> JOINING THE QUESTION, WE HAVE THE HOST OF THE PODCAST "ON BRAND WITH DONNY DEUTSCH," DONNY DEUTSCH. FORMER SUPREME ALLIED COMMANDER OF NATO, JAMES STAVRIDIS. HE IS CHIEF INTERNATIONAL ANALYST FOR NBC NEWS. AND STAFF WRITER AT "THE ATLANTIC," ANNE APPLEBAUM. WHAT A GREAT PANEL. HARDLY KNOW WHERE TO START. THERE ARE A LOT OF GREAT VOICES. I WANT TO BACK UP AND REPHRASE WHAT I SAID BECAUSE I MENTIONED THE WRONG McCARTHY. ACCORDING TO "POLITICO," FOUR FORMER MEMBERS OF THE GUARD DESCRIBED A FRUSTRATING EXPERIENCE OF BEING PREVENTED FOR HOURS FROM BEING ABLE TO RESPOND TO THE ATTACKS ON THE CAPITOL AND RECOUNTED SENIOR ARMY OFFICIALS EXPRESSING CONCERNS ABOUT THE OPTICS OF DEPLOYING THE GUARD. THEY SAVED THEIR FIERCEST CRITICISM FOR McCARTHY, WHO THEY DESCRIBED AS UNRESPONSIVE TO THEIR OUTREACH IN THE MIDST OF THE CHAOS. THAT'S ARMY SECRETARY RYAN McCARTHY. AND NOT HAVING THE NATIONAL GUARD RESPOND, I MEAN, IN SO MANY WAYS, I THINK I NEED TO START WITH ANNE APPLEBAUM AND GO BACKWARDS. ANNE, WHAT DOES THIS SAY TO YOU, WHEN YOU SEE THESE DETAILS AND THIS FRICTION AT ALL LEVELS IN TERMS OF HOW TO RESPOND TO THIS, AND LIVES HANGING IN THE BALANCE AS IT APPEARS THAT THEY DON'T WANT TO ACTUALLY STOP THE CHAOS THAT'S FROM THE PRESIDENT ON DOWN? >> I HAVE TO TELL YOU, MY FIRST REACTION IS TO ASK WHY WE DIDN'T TALK ABOUT THIS 3 1/2 YEARS AGO, WHY IT'S TAKEN SO LONG FOR ALL OF OUR COURTS REALLY TO COME TO TERMS WITH WHAT HAPPENED ON JANUARY 6th, AND WHY WE HAVEN'T, AS A SOCIETY, DEALT WITH IT YET. I MEAN, SOME OF THESE DETAILS ARE NEW, AND SOME OF THEM ARE MORE SHOCKING AND COME IN A SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT VERSION. ACTUALLY, WE'VE KNOWN THIS STORY FOR A LONG TIME, AND WE HAVEN'T ACTED. I THINK THAT'S, YOU KNOW, A PART OF THE EXPLANATION FOR WHY THE PERPETRATORS ARE GETTING AWAY WITH IT. >> ADMIRAL STAVRIDIS, LET'S TALK ABOUT CHAIN OF COMMAND AND OTHER ISSUES HERE. THIS WAS CLEARLY BOTCHED ON JUST ABOUT EVERY LEVEL THAT DAY. WE SAW IT IN REAL TIME, THAT THE NATIONAL GUARD NEEDED TO BE THERE AND WASN'T. AS SOMEONE WHO WORKED IN THE PENTAGON SO LONG, WHAT HAPPENED? >> FIRST, YOU KIND OF HAVE TO SEE WHAT HAPPENS ON THE CAPITOL THAT DAY THROUGH THE FILTER OF LAFAYETTE PARK, PREVIOUS PROTESTS. >> YEAH. >> THE PENTAGON DID NOT TAKE THE LESSONS LEARNED THAT THEY SHOULD HAVE OUT OF THAT SERIES OF EVENTS. POINT TWO, I JUST WANT TO DRAW A LINE UNDER HOW EVERY ACTIVE DUTY RESERVE, GUARD, RETIRED LIKE ME, VETERANS, ALL OF US WATCHED THE CAPITOL THAT DAY AND FELT WE NEEDED TO BE THERE. WE NEEDED TO BE THERE. THAT IS THE ULTIMATE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE MILITARY, IS TO BACK UP LAW ENFORCEMENT WHEN IT SIMPLY BECOMES OVERWHELMED, AS IT DID HERE. FINALLY, IN TERMS OF THE CHAIN OF COMMAND THAT DAY AND THE EXACT SEQUENCE OF EVENTS, TO ME, THIS ENTIRE EPISODE SCREAMS FOR A 9/11 LEVEL COMMISSION. >> MM-HMM. >> WHERE WE PULL IT APART, READ EVERY STATEMENT MADE BY EVERY LEADER, PUT IT ALL BACK TOGETHER AGAIN, AND DRAW THE LESSONS. THE CORRECT LESSONS, PRETTY OBVIOUSLY, ARE NOT THAT THESE PEOPLE WERE HOSTAGES. LOOK, I KNOW WHAT A HOSTAGE LOOKS LIKE. I'VE TRIED TO RESCUE THEM OVER THE YEARS IN THE MILITARY. >> RIGHT. >> THESE ARE HARDLY HOSTAGES. THEY'RE CLEARLY RIOTERS, CRIMINALS, MANY OF THEM NOW CONVICTED FELONS. WE NEED TO REV
