Zack Fox Interviewed by his Lookalike | Real Ones Show #zackfox #interview

my name is Tyrell Alejandro and this is real ones and I'm sitting here with Zach Fox wait that doesn't feel right hold up hold up I think it's cool hold up wait a minute I think why don't you sit here I'm going sit there okay we'll switch we'll switch we'll switch we'll switch all right all right all right let's run it out hold a little better all right hold up what's up y'all my name is Rick S I mean uh tyrra [Music] Alejandro and this is real ones I'm here with Zack Fox I don't even like being this close to this they might cast him instead you think I can get those documents my boy if you need a Zack Fox th I'm right here y I lose weight if I tell you this building will probably like get drone strike i' be in [ __ ] business right right how's tour been so far really fun a really amazing uh yeah my fans are coming out in droves uh the shows are very fun yeah yeah I'm just having a good time man and what's been your favorite city so far ooh that's a tough call uh but I'm going have to say Phoenix Arizona was a sleeper City I didn't know I had like fans like that in Phoenix I didn't know Phoenix had like great food and like I think anywhere that's like really really hot uh like that has like bad [ __ ] and like and like good food if there's a sports team you know what I mean and that's Phoenix and they got like the strongest crackheads I've ever seen like ever walking around elaborate on that they're not like you know how most crackheads have like a pod like they they like stick to together these are all lone wolves and they all got their own like you know shopping cart and their own like operation going they don't they don't even work together at all type [ __ ] like don't even share a cup none of that no all solo all solo and all swole you think it's got something to do with the heat it's the heat I think it's like uh strongest you know for like fittest right like a it's like Evolution yeah damn [ __ ] you think I can get those documents my boy oh yeah thank you so much yeah so one thing I wanted to ask do you really be eating dehydrated mango with Henny uh yeah yeah for sure for sure I try out something different with the Henny uh like every show Henny in a hollowed out banana pill a cord out Apple uh with Henny in it even right now monk got the Henny and the mango oh [ __ ] yeah off you I kind of want I kind of want to see that happening can we see this yeah so you know I can't really do it right now cuz I don't have a cup or apparatus but you know you basically take the there's a cup you know I got a cup right here [ __ ] is there a second cup I I got to try this out hold up you know so we can let it kind of like sit and and cook while yeah no we got to come back to this we we'll come back to this at the end we'll let this simmer so you can keep asking your little questions and then word word and I'll make you drink you know another thing I got to ask about is your criticisms of Ed Sheron yeah it seems like you and Ed sharan whether he knows it or not have a long-standing beef I mean you say right here I will slap the [ __ ] out of Ed shearon he didn't do nothing I just want to hit him mhm is is that really how you feel I think that day I was just like I think I had been drinking this that day actually anything is possible uh yeah I don't know he's he's like so talented he's like he's really like a a very talented dude and but just something about the way that nigga's built I just like I want to fight him I still want like I want to fight him I don't know what it is cuz I was going to say this [ __ ] I feel like he would give me a run for my money this [ __ ] goes deep I mean my [ __ ] barbaric sh could get ugly as [ __ ] like s Sharon yeah Uber driver playing Ed Sharon I'm about to put him in a sleeper hold on the highway damn I forgot I said that that's crazy like this [ __ ] is deep yeah damn you going oh you got more and then this this is uh our editor Ben right here yeah he do give me that Vibe does he piss you off should we get him out the room he listen man I mean if you got something to back up just back up back let's all respect the talent please something's just like uh off it's like offputting you know what I mean when you got that build and then you can like write like Perfect songs like 10 out of 10 Perfect songs and like sell out like the biggest Arenas in the world I'm like that [ __ ] hiding something right right and then like you remember that one week it seemed like every time you saw that [ __ ] he was in like a new video with some rapper you never heard of except for Kodak Kodak was like the only [ __ ] I heard of but he was like doing all these songs with [ __ ] it's like every week it was a new [ __ ] he was doing a song with like we need to watch him and Sharon doing a feature sale this is crazy I'm just saying we need to watch him they need to bug his crib you know I think uh I think he's a SC you know I don't think Ed Sharon like came up I think he was deployed wow you know deployed yeah I think Ed sharan is the next phase of uh coo Pro you know what I mean yeah yeah like they get him see yeah they get him close to all these big rap [ __ ] and then yeah damn D kind of crazy yeah he's like the Space Jam ball of of entertainment you know what I mean like he gonna get close to these [ __ ] and then they touch him and then he takes their powers so the next big Kodak Black song won't even be a Kodak Black song Ed sharing Song D you miss spended a lot of times on Twitter mhm which one is your favorite I have a favorite well my favorite is like one time when I wasn't even doing anything and I just got suspended but I think my favorite was when that kid was talking about selling lemonade at the border to support Trump's wall and uh I posted a picture of a [ __ ] driving like POV I'm driving POV I'm about to run this [ __ ] over at the wall at the border wall and and I was I was offer there for like till like the pandemic I think like a year yeah are there any of them that you think were like unfair like you shouldn't have gotten suspended for that [ __ ] all of them there's not one of them that that stands out I think one time I like somebody uploaded uh the entirety of the movie Cars to to X videos and I screenshotted just the T and there's nothing pornographic on the page but you could tell it's on X video so I screenshotted that and I made it my banner on Twitter and because it was from a porn site they kicked you off that's kind of funny though yeah wasn't it you who said uh White fathers when they just murdered their family and it's like the [ __ ] on the jet ski yeah yeah something about your tweets like they come true it's almost like prophecy which leads me to this how does it feel to be four or five years early on the whole Kanye [ __ ] with the Hitler was a good guy like you literally tweeted this [ __ ] in 2018 yeah I mean I love Kanye he's one of my favorite people in the world he's like he's a musical you know hero he's from City we right now but um dumb ass [ __ ] are actually really easy to like predict I don't even think this was that crazy you know I mean like dumb [ __ ] kind of do like the same like three or four things you know what I mean like word so is that all there is to it you're good at reading like dumbass [ __ ] or are like cuz I feel like there's something you know that we don't no there's just like I think there's like four to five dumbass [ __ ] pipelines okay and if you can plot where somebody is at on one you can kind of see where they're headed you know what I mean it's kind of like how people like look at stocks and they're like oh my God like these economists you know what I mean they're like gurus or whatever it's not that they're gurus they're just really good at pattern matching and like they've watched patterns and studied patterns since like the Great Depression and then like the cold war and [ __ ] I'm like that but with Petty [ __ ] drama it's one of those things where it's like if you're going to be talented at something like be talented at what you want to be talented at yeah yeah some people you know study stock some people study anthropology I be some people study dumb ass [ __ ] I be in [ __ ] business yeah I be in [ __ ] business what what are some of the dumbass [ __ ] options in the pipeline I'm kind of curious oh man we got we got Hitler was a good guy that's one that's got to be one yeah and that's kind of just a weird offshoot it's not specifically a hotep but it is it is in the varietal you know what I mean like so that's one of them the hotep [ __ ] that's the pipeline I'd say there's like two big dumbass [ __ ] trains like sativa and indica okay you know what I mean one of them is self-righteous and the other one is self-deprecating you know what I mean so self-righteousness can lead to Hope stuff which can lead to you know uh uh being apologetic for war mongers or you know misogyny and stuff like that the self-deprecating [ __ ] is more just like Kodak Black on meth yeah you know what I mean like I could have predicted Kodak Black being on meth but also anybody could have just nobody said it cuz it's sad yeah you know I I don't know anyone who who wants to predict that [ __ ] um but yeah but yeah I mean I I miss a lot you know I thought Taylor Swift was going to convert to Islam at some point this year and we we have she converted to the NFL we have a couple months left but it's not looking hopeful if it happens if Taylor Swift converts to Islam you heard it here first remember this remember this and at this point even if she flirts with the idea I'll take it no that's good enough honestly I'll take it honestly cuz that's that's a pretty bold prediction I'm going be looking out for that for real if if Taylor Swift is seen in the club reciting ASAP Ferg and she says alhamdullah I'm going to take that as a win I'm going to take that as she rapping that song at all I think you got it I think you got it aod deir just posted his photo with you Paris Texas Sushi Boy Mexico at her party how was that party that [ __ ] look crazy as hell incredible yeah the [ __ ] that play Elvis was in there oh yeah which Elvis the new one not the new new one atin the one who Vanessa [Music] H okay word yeah yeah okay word incredibly gorgeous yeah yeah oh my God yeah they got to tone that [ __ ] down that's crazy yeah was there anyone there that you were like damn I've always wanted to meet you that's kind of crazy we're in the room right now uh man um Bo Burnham was there oh that's crazy yeah he's tall he's tall as [ __ ] yeah he's like the uh you know the real dumbass monar from Space Jam the one that was like light blue and like kept hitting his head on [ __ ] he's like that big that's crazy I would have never thought he look like such an average [ __ ] on camera I know he's just a big big silly [ __ ] it's crazy that's crazy yeah I met him tried to hug him but my face was too close to his dick so um we just dapped up did you daap up his dick huh you dapped up his dick yeah yeah n no I just I just dapped him up if I hugged a [ __ ] it would have been like I was like yeah no I'm good damn that's crazy speaking of Sushi Boy Mexico y'all just dropped a skit yesterday tell me more about like the making of that [ __ ] that [ __ ] was funny as [ __ ] yeah that was uh by my homie John salmon who's a really good director writer Mexico I've known for like 10 years he one of the funniest people I know from Atlanta so we always try to find Opportunities to just be funny on camera together right and he had a really cool like short script that he's like trying to use to launch uh a film basically and uh yeah we were just like chilling you know we riff all day every day so on somebody it kind of like doing what we normally do but in a professional setting type of [ __ ] absolutely that's fire tell me more about your friendship with sushi boy cuz I know he was on your album is he going to be on you know any new stuff you got coming out for sure for sure I'm trying to uh the same way white people deployed Ed Sheeran on the music industry I want to deploy him into the acting world I feel like he's very a very much needed voice I just want to make sure all my funny friends are you know being put on and have like opportunities to show their skills and [ __ ] and you know be drunk idiots I feel like there's too much shiny black stuff in Hollywood and we need some more some more Ash some ashy [ __ ] yeah yeah and uh that's real everything's like too polished at a sense like it's like it's got to be like acceptable for like the wi eye almost where it's like oh we got to like really be at the top of our gear cuz you know they gave us a spot type [ __ ] it's like n just let us be us type [ __ ] yeah you going to get better art that way exactly like we need some rabble rousers you know me everything can't be like respectable it's got to be kind of you need some disrespectful [ __ ] you need some idiotic cuz I mean that's what white people get to do you got every spectrum of white ENT you know like you got the cut clean you know what I mean but you got your exactly but then you know white folks got like I don't know mon what's that boy name um stavos you know what I mean oh yeah the to for my son listen to stavy is the [ __ ] of white people white they're looking at him like he he can't come over here he's like I don't care cuz he's building out his own little sand castle you know right so you just mentioned ATL you ever been to Magic City of course I was going to say I need context personally behind that photo of you looking like mad and different holding stacks and a stripper shaking ass on you yeah that was actually at uh onx in Houston okay was that one of the neurod Divergence strippers no no that's in Portland oh that's in Portland you know what I think I did just read that tweet you talking about it with the bonus from out here yeah that's that's uh that's Casa Diablo Casa Diablo good to know yeah if you want to sit down with a stripper and like talk about what's going on in Ukraine go to Casa Diablo you know what I mean like they they know geopolitics and they software engineers and stuff okay you can get some geopolitics with a side of ass that's fire yeah isn't that what we all want oh 1,000% 1,000% isn't that what we're asking for right I I just want to side to ass for everything I'm being honest some educated ass obviously you're on Abbot Elementary as Tariq you [ __ ] killed that [ __ ] what was it like like working on that show and working with like someone like Quin Brunson who's such a genius in my eyes it was really fun because ABC Universal is a well oiled machine so like everything's already you know completely ready for you to jump in the in the cockpit and fly the plane you know what I mean there's nothing being figured out once the camera's on and it moves so quick that you know you got to kind of like enjoy it while you're in it cuz you're like damn like we just did a whole episode it's like damn it's a rap on me crazy damn y'all are so professional but uh working with quin's a breeze we've known each other since like 2017 2018 she was one of the first people I met in the LA comedy scene when I moved out out there from Atlanta she put me on a comedy show and and immediately was just like I don't know what you're on you're you're insane but like I'm rocking with it you're funny I'm rocking with you and so we've been locked in and the role came along and I was like look I'm going to come there and hoop with you like come out word did did they let you like ad Li at all on the show cuz the one episode where you're doing the rap and you're like man look at the stage man of shorty she she on drugs she could have died like that [ __ ] was crazy yeah no and as crazy as that stuff is that's all praises to the abbat elementary writing team that's that's Britney Nichols that's Kate Peterman that's Jordan Temple that's that's all of them that's Quint of Brunson you know what I mean like I'm missing some names but they just know how to write adjacent to my voice and and in my voice already so by the time i% cuz like that line specifically I would have never known I don't have I don't have to change a word once I get there that's why we like [ __ ] pay the writers like pay these M th% pay them [ __ ] writers for real yeah they do their [ __ ] [ __ ] can we expect you on that show anytime in the future future uh if I tell you this building will probably like get drone stried or something like that like so we'll you know hey I didn't ask you I did not sh my fault Quint I didn't not [ __ ] please though [Laughter] please please I'm begging we striking we striking strike that I don't even like being this close to this [ __ ] they might cast him instead yo listen if you need a stunt double if you need a Zack Fox stunt double I'm right here y I'll lose weight hook me up with one of them Hollywood trainers yo I'll lose the [ __ ] weight let me know put me on with John St guy he got a good guy the season one Tariq again we going to get this [ __ ] like damn [ __ ] like damn I lost too much weight for the roll now Fu Fox on that OIC they don't want that's crazy I shouldn't laugh at that that's crazy all right you've been working on a lot of music you've been dropping a lot of singles lately yeah is there an album on the way yeah yeah I'mma do a project but I definitely want to like I want to work my way up to that and like keep doing singles so I can like focus on you know I really like making cool videos with my friends and and doing stuff that's kind of unexpected for me and for a rapper to do and uh yeah I think like you know I want to drop a project once there's enough material out there 100% is there anyone you worked with that you're like holy [ __ ] I can't believe we're in the stew right now type [ __ ] that you can talk about really everybody worked with I'm like amazed and grateful about you know Alchemist insane you I've been listening to Alchemist since he had a black person lineup you know hold you down [ __ ] don't know about hold you down with Nina with Nina was it nah Scott even he's he's like a part of my childhood so you know for him to like lend a hand with music thund Thundercat for sure um um Ben ex even before Ben X was like at at I I was still like you know when we started working together I was like this dude needs to be making music for like the biggest musicians in the world and he's going to you know what I mean like yeah he's incredible you and Kenny got anything else in the ball we got some stuff but like we we we going to keep it on the tuck we going to keep it on the next thing me and Kenny drop got to be like a I don't know like a line of egg rolls or something like I feel like our relationship we've like done so much and I'm like man we just need to do some other [ __ ] you know what I mean we need to drop like a a line of male like men's underwear with like with pads in them that's like extra absorbent what is it absorbing like PE and you know like extra like you know you know what I'm talking about I I do I'm just I'm just trying to figure out like who you trying to sell to right now you know when a [ __ ] leaking like a little bit when a [ __ ] leaking a little bit I I cannot say I'm a leaker I've not leaked he knows about this you you leak I don't know he looking like he leaking that's true bro women women leak men leak my music don't you know my [ __ ] don't like but I'm saying you never been a little bit like like after the pee and then there's like a little bit on your jaws you WIP your dick you wipe your dick I would rather wipe my dick than wash out sh I'm a dick WI or or you can have a pad I mean you can use the tissue like it's what it's there for I see where you're going with this I'm not aad I'm not against that yeah but is is a pad like better than like using like one piece of tissue just like wipe that [ __ ] off real clean Al Maxi alad Alpha pad I'm saying okay yeah the after wiping wiping when you pee yes but what if you get but what if you get scared when you walking around you know what you got to do you got to Market it to the [ __ ] that buy dud wipes they'll go crazy over that [ __ ] yeah Alpha undies or some [ __ ] you get to a girl crib and youur you got it's like oh [ __ ] let me just toss out my pad I'm good to go nice I like it throw it throw that pad in the trash might change how we look at Ro verus be honest come on that's what I'm saying for your I'm doing everything bro I'm getting a vasectomy I'm going do it all a vasectomy isn't that painful yeah nah n snip snip not painful nope they they numb you yeah you're good oh [ __ ] kid yeah that M I guess that that is more painful yeah yeah I got some documents here for you to look at that uh helped lead to this moment these are all the times [ __ ] have said I look like you wow this is crazy yeah some [ __ ] said I look like Zach Fox and Jonah Hill at the same time valid valid wow this girl comes up to me and says you know who you look like and I'm like who knowing what she's going to say she's like you ever seen your Abbot Elementary I was like are you going to say Janine's boyfriend and she goes yes this is the fifth time this week a [ __ ] told me I look like Zack Fox it was this is a Stacks yeah Jesus Christ I had a dollar from every time someone said I look like Zary Fox somebody said you look like uh somebody said you look like Rick squirrel yeah and then this this is my 2k [ __ ] I actually named my 2k [ __ ] Rick squirrel in honor of that funny ass tweet this is hard and then this was uh we actually got to interview Paris Texas 2 months ago uhhuh and this is right outside Lincoln Hall where they were performing and some [ __ ] really thought I was you and asked for a pick and tagged you yeah no he tagged you yeah he tagged me but I went and I found it wow but that [ __ ] tagged you I was like I couldn't break his heart you know I I didn't want to tell him especially like after like 10 other [ __ ] in line were like yo you really do look like him blah blah blah and then this random [ __ ] was like yo you look like Zach Fox can I get a picture I was like damn I was like looking at the [ __ ] in the background like yo don't don't break this [ __ ] heart right now bro just just just go with it I feel like we're we're wasting this like doppelganger opportunity like we need to do something like big I'm listen I'm ready whenever whenever you're ready I'm ready type [ __ ] here's what we do you you okay and then I'm like just not where you are okay and then everyone's going to be like Zack box I have an alibi I was at Magic City right I was at Magic City I was going to say I know exactly the place you got to be eating wings eating wings and I've eaten all like a whole platter you know what I mean so there's definitely so they're like they're like damn that [ __ ] been there you need to make sure like one of the tri like oh I gave him a dance an hour ago like yes yes yes I got to stay in there from like 300 p.m. until damn you might really we might really have some here we got to flesh this out a little more for sure we have to do like a big we going to run this back later you can forget about that camera but uh you became known as a funny [ __ ] on Twitter well known for your tweets and then you managed to transition that into not only music career but a television career as well I want to know a bit about like what your journey from then to now's been like really chaotic like not uh making sense at all it is chaotic but like when I got on Twitter originally Nobody Knows the story I went to Adult Swim Walter Newman doesn't work there anymore so I can I can air him out I went to Adult Swim I quit my job and I was like I don't want to work in like food service anymore in my early 20s I went to Adult Swim I was like look I'll do anything to work here cuz like that was my favorite [ __ ] at the time all my favorite shows were there like all my favorite cartoons so I was like well I want to work in TV I want to work in animation so I'm going to go over here and just like try to be around it I met with Walter Newman I had nothing like no credits no money no nothing and uh you know he he's the guy who's basically like responsible for like ler Squad and like a lot of like really big shows on Adult Swim like the Heyday of Adult Swim and I was like look man give me an internship I'll mop the floors like I'll clean the bathroom like I just want to work here and he was like look like you know I could tell you're like passionate and talented and funny but like you know this Adult Swim a bunch of people who were kind of like doing their own thing came together and made this happen so our [ __ ] naturally gravitates and works with other people already kind of doing their own thing so he's like you should just go do your own thing and figure out what that is and then like stuff like this will just like come to you you won't even have to go like damn interesting Chase it you know what I mean and uh back then I was just like doing illustration and [ __ ] with like awful records and then I like got on Twitter and I was just like tweeting heavy and trying to like just like show people I'm like funny and I know how to write jokes and [ __ ] like that being funny on the internet like being written out funny like that's totally different than it's a different thing humor yeah for sure for sure and I respect like all types of like IG sketch comedy whether you do it on Tik Tok whether you do on YouTube but I was never like on the internet to be like this is going to be the thing forever I was I was always kind of like I want to use this as the the thing that pivots me to where I want to go absolutely yeah yeah and that's kind of how I met everybody and and got involved in my interest you know ionically that's pretty good advice from that guy even though that's probably a cop ass answer at the time like you might have felt that way for sure I was like y'all could definitely give me an internship I know y'all can like but you know I'm going listen to you right now but I love Walter like and we ended up working together like years years later like new time type [ __ ] time we ended up working together we still talk and like chat to this day he's like a really good Mentor and yeah like damn that's awesome how that whole thing came back around yeah yeah I think if anything it's a testament to just like you know bet on your own stuff bet on your own like humor and just like run full force like don't don't look for like companies or you know entities to like validate what you're doing yeah yeah like just go do it and they'll they'll come later you know word that's that's very good advice hey and then what's your end goal with everything like you've made it thus far where do you want to go where do you kind of like see yourself yeah I mean like at the in the beginning of uh my career I was definitely like I want want to you know make TV I want to make films I want to make music I want to like help other people make their things respectively out of those fields you know what I mean I want to do it all man I'm trying to like act I want to you know develop my own series I want to develop cartoons and I'm kind of like just sitting doing all that and I think as time goes on the rest of the Zack Fox Iceberg will reveal itself to to the fans you don't even know what it looks like some of it I don't know some of it I do some of it I've been working on for a long time and it's just stuff that I can't like you know necessarily share with y'all it's not as quickly it's not as quick as putting out like songs and right it's stuff that takes years and years and like you've already put in probably a couple years into the work so it's like you just got to see it through at this point just got to see it through so like I think that stuff will be revealed and there's stuff that I'm probably going to be like what the [ __ ] I didn't even expect no facts well [ __ ] if you need any actors hey come on I'm with it I'm with it I I did a little bit of acting back in the day you know I got a film degree if I need to pull it out hey [ __ ] it I'm just going to have you act as me like when some [ __ ] go down and I got to be on tour any meetings you don't want to attend send me shooting yeah I'm going to send you wait wait what did you say so I'm going to be on tour like doing music and you're going to go act okay yes okay and we're just collecting the checks yeah like any meetings you don't want to go to just like like I I'll put sunglasses on I'll put a hat I'll just show up they'll be like damn [ __ ] you gained a little bit of weight but [ __ ] it all right this is the rundown it won't be that surprising I think they'll be like damn this [ __ ] went to Magic City again M he un bigged his back and then biged it again un biged the back yet un big big back we do this segment called highest in the room what's the highest you've ever been oh man the highest I ever been was uh at this party in La I was on ketamine like trying to pretend like I was reading a coffee table book about women in architecture okay Malia Obama walked in and I was so [ __ ] up I swear to God I saluted her when she walked and uh she just kind of looked at me like man go on somewhere you know she gave me she gave me the go on somewhere eyes and I was like like my fault OG my fault my fault you're right you're right I'm tripping yeah that's funny as [ __ ] of all people that's hilarious and then since this real ones one thing we always ask is uh shout out a real one in your life it could be anyone friend your mom sibling that's a lot yeah I'll say I'll say shout out mom for sure shout out mom you know she chilling at the crib right now back in La I got her veneers this year so yeah she got that Steve Harvey smile she real happy right now she she look great you miss her while you're on the road uh yeah I always miss Mom yeah that's like that's like my best friend you know what I mean she's that's my Confidant she's one of the funniest people I know you know that's where you get it from yeah yeah for sure it's it's Mom it's same way yeah yeah you Southern Southern black women bro they just they got it like they you got it word well [ __ ] thank you for the time I appreciate those part oh the strike is over the SAG strike is over sag strike is over shut the fu is over wait wait wait wait wait wait wait you lying bro I swear to God wait wait show me show me the SAG strike is over this is crazy during the interview I'm not making it oh [ __ ] God bro hey Cheers Cheers man Henny and mango perfect [ __ ] timing hey yo is over that's got to fire can cry right now yo that's lit yo give that [ __ ] a hug give that [ __ ] a hug oh [ __ ] I can eat again we have we lit now hold up I got we [ __ ] lit emot wow wow I can cry right now that's awesome damn what a crazy [ __ ] timing oh man thank you so much for the timing this has been awesome this has been months in the [ __ ] making I still can't believe I'm here and this [ __ ] happened this is crazy the best show the best show on television yep real one show you heard it here first man the goats hell yeah appreciate you bro man this is awesome strike is over we would have ended that a minute earlier and not I mean I didn't mean to yell it out but I over first of all I'm very happy to over as well that's squir it's like a 911

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Published: Thu Dec 14 2023