Young Leaders Podcast | Ep #5 | Rich & DawnChere Wilkerson (Vous Church)

however everybody it is data and Laura talks here and we want to welcome you to our young leaders podcast enjoy the episode I think right now what we're gonna do we have been we have been filming over the past few months just a podcast we're actually going to be releasing as Hillsong youth very fresh days fresh days still and we're actually gonna film a live podcast right here across the link online right here with the Wilkerson's [Music] [Applause] but it's so good to have you guys the all the way from Miami but it's so good to have you guys here all the way from Miami Florida and you brought Wyatt yes he's around here somewhere playing but we're so happy to be here there's no place like Hillsong and just to spend the day with you it's it's an honor rich so gonna be these microphones are all time I know but it's so great to have you guys here oh that's good that's a vibe yeah I want to start using this like on Sunday morning what have you walked up to preach and this like little like take this back now have you noticed that we've got some people sitting behind you yes I noticed you guys you kind of preach every now and then with some people sitting on the stage right bit of old-school vibe yeah right almost like every yeah probably every three or four weeks I really like a lot of and dontrey we kind of started doing it when we don't realize that they called voo girl which is a night for women but um we always just thought it was kind of cool I think sometimes like one of the weaknesses maybe of church is this category of preaching where it's like one man of God or one woman of God with one word and I think more and more we have to try to deconstruct the idea that this is our message this is our servant and so I think things like this become a really cool visual aid that when we're preaching or teaching we've got leaders behind us that are kind of co-signing if you will yeah like sort of like a feature on a track they're all featuring with you saying we're part of this message and so we've sort of done that the last like year and a half it's been kind of cool thing so I thought we're at home when I walked up here plus if they don't ever respond I always tell people on the stage like they're paid to respond so if they're not like a menu taking notes after preaching right yeah the choir now we we wouldn't know a little bit we we admire you guys from afar know many people here follow you guys on social media and everything like that tell us a bit about your journey how you met all that a little you guys understand is a hot story we met when we were 17 years of age and we were in Nashville Tennessee dontre shout out Nashville dontrey was recording a pop album and it was honestly fired straight pop in the days of Britney Spears one more time it's Kristin Bob thank you Jesus oh oh Jesus Jesus like it was it was a it was a strange fusion but it was what what was that one tractor we were listed in that car yesterday [Applause] Oh [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] the city church man I told you is pop what can you do don't Cherie she does everything was fire man I think it was ahead of its time and it was very progressive provocative this is a big part of it so I see her up there she's on stage dance and looking at me I'm like my goodness are you looking at me or is that is this worship or is this trying to win me over she was in a session like I am lying you know it as funny as we were in an auditorium a lot like this yeah and I was attending a friend's concert and Rich's brother was actually opening up for them and rich was only in town for one day and so we ended up sitting on the front row over here hanging out talking met for just a couple hours went to Subway afterwards went thrift store shopping and then yeah what you want a meatball sub I tell you whatever I want I got [Applause] it was not like a days romantic but I never thought I'd see him again and he left town the next day and he didn't ask for my number or anything like that and I didn't that's fine I was a I just thought I'd really didn't think anything of it because he was going his way I was going mine and then the next day I've been in the studio all day and I came home and this was in the time when you didn't have your phone connected to your palm every moment of the day so I left my phone at home all day and when I got home I had 25 missed calls from this number and I was like [Music] when you know what you want you go for [Applause] this is the real story like what it happened it's his older brother who is a good friend of mine I'd known him for a year had found out that rich had gotten my number from someone and had also found out that Richard called me one time so being typical older brother had just kept hitting send on his phone so that I thought he was a psycho when I came home and that night we talked we ended up I called him back and we talked on the phone for for probably two hours honestly and rich had been just a month before at a conference over here in Australia he is 17 and God completely transformed his life at the conference and everything about his life coming back to Miami he had shifted from the friends he was hanging out with the decisions he was making and I just remember those first two hours like just hearing his Jesus story which i think is so important like we were both pastors kids that doesn't mean that you have a relationship with Jesus but it was so apparent to me immediately how passionate he was and how everything in his life had changed radically because of this encounter with God and I'll never forget it and so that started like a year-and-a-half long-distance relationship which I think is really cool because it forced us to talk and it really made us communicate and yeah we dated four and a half years I think it's totally doable I think it's totally doable I think if it's God's plan for your life and if you steward the relationship and if you value it that you can actually I get to know each other in a really valuable way because you talk about what matters and you get to know each other obviously living in the same place is important at some point but for us it was the perfect foundation for our relationship I'm really grateful could have said it better myself like Oh sign that man it's all true do you have this vision for now we waited you know we waited to kiss on our wedding day oh wait what that's a huge develop more [Applause] [Music] just want to really try to impress you for a moment yeah we French kissed a couple of times before we got married but we're gonna be on seeing you sorry 13 years this summer [Applause] yeah are you guys in ministry already like oh yeah so we went to school we were in college much like some of you and college and for our last year we were in school then right we graduated we went and worked with my parents and we started over seen like youth in an adult ministry that's really our church is called vous Church and it all really began I find sometimes like the things of God was so interesting like you make certain decisions and you have no idea like how big some of the decisions you're making even at this age so like I made the biggest decision my life at 17 years of age I was in Adelaide Australia at a conference where I just had an encounter with Jesus didn't know that like me say and I'm signing up to go into the ministry at that moment essentially two months later I didn't know is gonna meet the woman that I'd spend the rest of my life with and then literally the next few months I decide to college I was gonna go to out of that college decided that would go work for my parents and we start working for my dad we started this thing called the rendezvous just meant the meeting place had no idea that 12 years later it would still be a part of our ministry story and everything we've done a ministry has been all from that name and what we were doing so I just find it amazing that we need like use wisdom sometimes to realize that like sometimes we think we're doing things they seem so small or insignificant but we don't realize that they're actually the seeds for our future and what we're gonna read to the future so um but yeah we start working for dad I started doing youth in adults and we were there for eight years and around like maybe the seventh year six year we start having a conversation about transition if we were an item there's a bit there where he's wanting us maybe potentially lead the church and all that conversation was happening and ultimately we just decided with dad and with us that we'd plan a new church called the vu church and so launched three and a half years ago in Miami and it's been it's been the dream come true for us we've just enjoyed every every moment of it it's it's been incredible to watch she has and you guys are phenomenal latest and communicators looking back at when you guys were with young leaders starting out just married you know you starting out in ministry is there anything you look back then you're talking to a bunch of young adults who are leading young people whether that be teenagers and college age students you look back then is there anything you would say I wish I did that better oh that wasn't as big a deal as I thought is there anything that you both would yeah you know I think for me it's always the same thing and it's like this thing I'm still working on at 35 years of age which to me it was always like when you say it wasn't that big of a deal that's my problem in life I just think I treat everything like it's maybe too big of a deal there's that strength and weakness thing right there's like the dark side and the light side of a gift but I think if I could do anything better I just would have enjoyed the journey more and laughed more and been at peace more I think some of things that I wish I would have done better starting at seventeen eighteen nineteen twenty three years really of age when we first started was just I wish I would have valued the season that I had to prepare more to educate myself to sharpen the tools that God has given me I think the stuff starts getting going you kind of leave your whole life going home man I want to be like doing something and I want to be at work and then all of a sudden the work begins and at times you can feel so and unequipped because this is happening beyond you and there's these beautiful seasons where God we feel like we're isolated or we feel like we're all alone but it's actually part of God's process like how a dream comes about you know we're pregnant right now with our second child which is and like what's so cool though is that like when you find out you're pregnant like you're like oh my goodness this is awesome and it's cool cuz you like nine months to prepare like it'd be really scary if you thought you're pregnant XD here's the baby like whoa you know be even scarier if the baby's like hey mom like while you're talking you know like the whole season of growth is as beautiful there's a process and when I think about like a baby in the womb like they're all alone for nine months and the worst thing that could happen is for a baby to be born premature and I think a lot of us sometimes we have a dream inside of us and we're so like anxious for it to come about yet if it comes about on your timetable it could come about premature and it won't last it won't survive and I just think leaning into the season that you have right now wherever you're at going maybe this feels small or insignificant or maybe you don't know why you're doing what you're doing I promise you if you apply yourself to it you're gonna discover years from now man every one of those moments it mattered today leading a church I'm so thankful for the eight years I had to serve underneath my dad I was on the chair stacking team for five years literally every service I had helped stack the chairs and I used to in my this seems so like ridiculous but I was learning a spirit of excellence I was learning what people are going through what it takes to serve and to build a church and I think that it's maybe a better lead pastor it's maybe a better leader that understands where people are at hopefully when they're serving and I just wish if I go back that I would try to have the right attitude about some of those moments that felt insignificant or felt like I was all alone man it's in the private areas that you are sharpening your tools where it's in a private areas before god puts you in a public spotlight say you're getting better and stronger and that that's something I would go back and and try to lean more into before we continue before yes if they need to change out the mic so I'm just got a message so awesome barks we love these mics though [Applause] prov so they're very cool they're very cool they were a good idea at the beginning so don't treat please you were gonna say well everything that rich said I would totally agree with I think being a young leader moving to Miami I didn't know anyone in Miami except for a rich and his parents and that was a tough move for me and also just dealing with the fear I'm very close with my family in Louisiana allow yeah ragin Cajun baby I love it and and the truth is that making that move sometimes in life you could take a first step and God's called you there but you allow fear to take you down like 5 10 20 30 years down the road where you really shouldn't allow your mind to wonder so the emotions inside of me making that move to Miami and leaving my family that I adored who really to this day are my best friends was I'll never live near my family again I'll never ever allow for my kids to be close to my parents like all of these things created a storm in my heart that I really didn't need to walk through but I'm thankful I walk through it because as I walked through it I can look back 13 years ago and I can see the faithfulness of God over the last 13 years we're now two of my brothers and my brother's wife live in Miami and that's so far beyond my dreams that both of them are on staff with us today leaving a location leading church with us that they're my dearest friends and that when when the Bible says that God does more than you could ever ask or think if I'm honest with you that was so far beyond that I never even thought that or asked for that but God brought it full circle and and today it's it's sweeter than I could have imagined and so I just want to encourage you like the journey that God has for you it takes faith and it takes you trusting the process and you're not gonna get to see everything immediately and when I was in my early 20s serving at Rich's there were so many questions I had about my purpose and I think if I look back I would say to myself like hey like lighten up like just serve like just dig your feet deep where God's planted you it's not necessarily about what you're doing it's about the heart that you do it with and the house that you're a part of you know and don't worry about the rest God's working it out add so many different roles I worked as the marketing director for six years I was the worship pastor for years I built out our bookstore I built out our cafe I worked on so many different projects in our church and there were so many times that I would have late-night talks with Rick's maybe once a year or something like that where you know the tears would flow and would be like I just don't know what my purpose is like I just don't know I know I'm supposed to be here I know but but it's all God's purpose for our life and every single part of that I learn and I take with me now in this season of my life I needed I needed every part of that season I needed to learn how to work on the magazine how to pick up the postcards and how to hang the banners on this stage before every service I needed to learn all of it it was all valuable and it still is valuable and so I just encourage you like stop worrying about finding like what you're called to do like if I've learned anything in the journey like speaking does not define my life it's not who I am like singing doesn't define who I am leading view church it doesn't define who I am and I make a huge mistake when I believe that lie because I'm a daughter of God and that's the only thing in my life that doesn't change and you know what you hold that right now like you hold that right now and never ever changes and so yeah I just tell myself lighten up enjoy the journey amazing I love you guys okay so it's just been so incredible to watch food church and grow in such a short amount of time thousands of people gathering in Miami and one thing that I've noticed is that you have a really young leadership team and it looks so much fun so what's the one thing that you see in young people in young leaders that excites you for the church and where the heads at the church is heading yeah I think and I'll just kind of speak sort of of our community back home my and what I what I really appreciate about our team back in Miami and what I see in our church that I think is maybe it's a unique competency maybe there or what kind of is something that makes them kind of have their own authentic vibe is that I really they're kind of like both an leaders which is you know we want to have a house that's excellent but we also want God's presence you know we want to have a place that's really really structure and organized but we also want to be spirit lead and I think that all starts within the leader themselves like it's that idea of being faithful and flexible of going God like I'm I'm consistent to the journey but I'm also ready to pivot and have a good time we have this expression and I think it's a fun expression we always say let's make hard work look fun and I get something you have to be intentional about there's so many things about like about this day right now it's Saturday you got here early but when you got here there was a breakfast serve there was somebody this week that was preparing and organizing someone had to come and put these bleachers down and like put that plant out and do the lights and like there's a bunch of work as I'm trying to say like there's always work involved but you get to decide like how you want to carry that work and one of the best things about leaders today in 2019 that are smart is that they want to be attractive leaders in the way that you become attractive is by whatever you're doing you put passion behind it and if you'll just put passion behind whatever the thing is it's gonna draw people in and so for us to put church on it's just a whole lot of labour and work it's it's a semi-truck at one of our locations at 5:45 a.m. in Miami and a it's not they're not cool venues they're middle schools and high schools ones in the hood it's in Little Haiti in this really challenging neighborhood and people show up 50 some people and they pump music at 5:45 they do silly exercises and we like force ourselves to say let's make this a whole lot of fun and so for me as a leader I just learned when I walk into a room I can either like add energy to that room or suck energy out and I don't always get it right don't get me wrong but I want to be someone who's a energy producer not an energy reducer and what I get excited our team back home is I feel like they're up for let's party and dance all night and then let's also get up first thing in the morning and be diligent about our walk with God and walk out our commitment and when you can get both those things happening man it creates a really awesome I think combustion of momentum all around and see you know social media highlight reel of that but see the setting up bumping into I 45 and I think a lot of people can measure their life off will vu touch is incredible but they don't see the the hours they don't see I think this is a really fun conversation for me but like what we're really trying to do and I don't know if we've done this right yet but like life this is good that we're talking about this like every memorable moment you have in your life is based upon you stewarding the mundane moments and like the quicker you can discover that like life is full of monotony it sounds so negative but it is and the quicker you can go man I'm committed to the mundane and I'm gonna make the mundane sexy that's fun like that's literally what we're trying to do because I think that's that that's the negative side of our generation is a consumer just into highlights but if we can figure out a way and this is part of I think the challenge that we all have as young leaders right now to go you know what we're gonna do we're gonna make like staff meeting look awesome we're gonna make directors huddle like we're gonna make budget meeting like the coolest looking spot ever let's turn it up at the budget like whatever it is like but it's that spirit that you have to carry to make look attractive because I've just like learned like my life whatever someone in here you follow us or whatever you like look so like it's mundane like my week is meeting Monday tackle Tuesday wrap up Wednesday think a lot Thursday free Friday semi slow Saturday slam Sunday and then we do it again on Monday like it's the same thing and like there's some fun moments but man those moments all come out of a whole lot of monotony Monday I sit in like 8 meetings all day long and just look at it why is this that way and look at every number look at every analytic and I think the quicker we can go man let's make this hard work look a lot a lot of fun people jump on board and we can get a whole lot more done quicker faster and better I think so yeah what do you think I love the community I love that we get to do life together and I think it is a really young staff but there's a lot of lean in when it comes to the relationship side and we've learned how to do that dance where it's like these are our dearest friends in the world we're also their boss like there's a balance there there's it there's a dance there there's knowing what's appropriate in the right moment but I think for rich and I like we've met too many people around the world who lead communities but don't have the privilege to participate in it and so like they're isolated from their community and I understand that because painful things happen with people that you work with and and pastors get wounded and it's real like rich and I are pastors kids we've walked through that even as children and the communities that we grew up in but we had to make a decision that it's worth the risk and that we want to do life closely with the people that we lead and that we want to lead with an open heart and that we don't just want to hang out when we're at our jobs but we want to make memories outside of our 10:00 to 6:00 you know in our crazy wild morning tonight Sunday's that that we want to celebrate the birthdays and we want to have family time and I think it is a risk I think it is putting your heart on the line but we're we're just in the beginning of the journey but we've decided that we want to do that someone from Hillsong John Tirmidhi gave us the language but you probably heard it because I think someone from your as his team divides it but he the statement that's really helped me recent in the past like two years is that leadership I mean church is one of three things at all times it's it's a family it's an organization and it's an army have you heard this language I think it's really beautiful and I like the language at dawn Charisse and like I think if you're gonna lead in any space and all of us in this place we're leading in some sphere and some of you are you've got people beneath you beside you above you even leading up and leadership to me is always a dance and that's the best I just always think like an illustrations a metaphor that's the kind of stuff that makes the most sense to me and so when I talk to our team was like hey you just got a we're dancing we're leading occasion we're gonna step on each other's toes that's what happens if you dance long enough you know but it's up to you on our team to realize what sphere what space were in some moments were in a family moment that's really really important for Dawn show you know that we thought we are a family that we feel like man we got a young team and most of the people on our staff and team we're either saved at vous Church or the only reason why they're in ministries because they came around vous Church they don't have like some ambitious goal to like be a part of another church or put in applications they were like three years ago to talk to me they can't believe they're working at a church today and in many cases a lot of them come from broken homes and even though we're all kind of the same age there's this mom and dad feel that we carry with on our team so there's a family and we like to enjoy and celebrate together but there's an organization like hey this is a workplace you're gonna be judged on your performance you should know that you wanna mean like we're gonna be looking and evaluating it there's a moment that I'm your boss and there's a moment that you're an employee then we're also an army there's moments where things go downward side we don't have time to explain any of it jump how high exactly that's the right response and and knowing those moments I think helps just bring clarity to people and helps you kind of just dance longer and dance better and so I think it's good for you guys just realize that like you make a mistake whoever's leading you right now to think that they're always gonna be like a father figure or a mother figure or it's always your boss it's it's the dance and it's you realizing with social awareness with self-awareness with emotional intelligence hey what's the moment we're in right now and that's important so brilliant just you know in the last few minutes um disappointment disappointment when you're leading yeah do you you know when you face discouragement disappoint do you have to put down leadership and go I need to deal with this and then uh how do you deal with disappointment when you are leading people I don't know if you have a story around I know you guys you know publicly talked about your challenges yeah either so like leadership don't you just said it's like it's you taking the risk you're gonna get disappointed what does disappointment come from disappointment comes from unmet expectations and most of you in here if you're in this room that on a Saturday it's because you want to get better in life it's because you have a vision for your life vision is all about not what you see with your open eyes it's when you close your eyes what are you seeing meaning that you you are seen you have a you have a picture in your mind of the unseen world it's an expectations when trying to get at and that expectation isn't met overnight and so there's gonna be the road of disappointment disappointment if it lasts too long turns a discouragement and if you live discouraged too long start living defeated and and that's a scary place to be is when you feel defeated and happiness comes from a life of progress of taking steps towards that that expectation how do I I think we both deal with it differently I'm I'm constantly I have to talk out loud and so for me it's the friendships I think there's certain guys in my life that just know all my junk and we all have junk I'm not gonna tell you my junk but somebody knows my junk you know yeah and it's the same thing for you like you don't need to stand up right now this is what I'm doing but somebody needs to know what you're dealing with and a transparent clear way you can't carry it all on your own you were never meant to and you're always gonna be as sick as your secrets and so I think until you can get that stuff out God can't heal what you hide and that that's the journey for us as leaders is carrying that weight of whatever it is and so disappointment happens on some different levels typically for me as a leader it's with people it's like people let you down or they they tell you one thing and then they they don't follow through and I don't forget we're committed this for the long haul we've been doing this for since we've been on this journey since we were 17 about wanting to build the church and there's been lots of people that have come through our life in the last 17 plus years and we have to decide in our heart hey no matter what anybody else does we have a calling and we're not doing this for anybody else than the audience of one and that's the thing I think that gives us fuel to continue to go through the failures the disappointments the heartache I agree and I think that disappointment if if you use it in a positive way it can actually make you really fearless as you face your future that it can give you a bravery that you didn't have before because you've already experienced disappointment so there's less of a fear of loss to take risk ahead but I think a lot of times what we do instead is we allow it to mark us and it can actually put a damper not just on our job not just on our calling to ministry like I think disappointment affects every part of your personal life and Rick's preached this beautiful message this weekend this past weekend back home where he talked about the impact of disappointment just on your free time like outside of work that that disappointment can affect like your ability to improve as an individual that disappointment can impact your rest just your ability to renew like physically mentally spiritually like all of us need that rest and then disappointment can actually really destroy the passion in your life and we need passion not just for our job but we need passion for all those other hours were not at our job and if you're not careful disappointment it cannot just crush your dreams for oh this is my purpose but it can actually like it can impede on your family relationships it can impede on the creativity God's placed within you your weekly schedule outside of this place like disappointment affects every part of our life and I think that the way that we find healing is by being honest about it even with our infertility journey you know I say I'm thankful to participate in the community we're a part of because like we were honest about our disappointment and so now last Sunday when we stand up in front of our church and we say hey guys miracles still in Motion's second baby on the way it's so much more special to celebrate with those people who are my family because they haven't just stood beside me in the good times like they've already walked honestly beside me in a given way in the disappointments of our life and so I think your disappointments like it's so important you don't have to tell everybody but you you have to be honest about where you stand that's what's beautiful about the church we don't come in with masks we're honest that's the power of community beautiful absolutely come on let's really thank these guys okay we've got some online questions just wrapping up some people have written in and they wanted to ask you some questions for those watching online so I don't know if we have those questions on the screen or someone look at me with certainty or if not it's there we go as a leader this is from Jacob Hardwick all right what's up Hardwick Jacob you're the man Jacob Jacob hot you know Jacob Hardwick Jacob Hardwick and you guys are friends as a leader how do you best manage criticism you know I haven't really been criticized much I we've been criticized a whole lot our whole lives um you know I think that number one understanding that anyone who's ever done anything great has been criticized and I actually would I'd be more concerned if you're not being criticized then you know if you are I think that if you're gonna if you're gonna make an impact in this world people are gonna have something to say and what I've learned more and more as a leader the clearer and clearer I get the more decisions I make like I love this thought like when I decide I divide I mean like every time I make a decision it's not gonna please everybody and I don't want to be a popular leader I want to be the leader God's called me to be like popular is just bad I'm not I'm not in this business to make popular decisions I at times have to make unpopular decision that time to have to say unpopular things at times I have to put myself out there and so the first thing just for me when it comes to criticism is going like oh that's part of and so thick-skinned soft heart God helped me out here we go the second thing I think is is that who who are the critics like who's actually saying this to me if Pastor Brian is criticizing me I want to put the microphone down and I want to say Pastor Brian what's please help me I want to get better coach me you know if it's some troll on the internet I need to learn how to block it out and so I think it's always about like who's saying what and why they saying it I do think it's a it's a challenging time that we live in because everyone's got a microphone everyone has an opinion and so I wish I could say I'm like really great at like not let reading comments or really really great at not wondering what article is being written on the internet about me and I just had to learn how to just turn that stuff off like more and more I just gotta like move on keep going I want to keep people that are the right voices around me close and I want to sometimes I think when criticism comes you should like pay attention and say what is there some truth to this but once again I I want to bring that to people that are trusted voices in our life and the pastors in our life and say is there something here that I need to be that I'm not seeing we all have blind spots so I don't want to sit here of course I've got things I can't see that's why you need voices and you need leaders but to me I'm always going I'm gonna be criticized and who is the critic that that's coming at us because you guys have put yourself in in put yourself but God's giving you a space that is unique with influential people and I hope you don't mind me asking like you know you guys did Kanye and Kim's wedding which is news to everyone there you got critic a whole lot of criticism there or where people genuinely encouraging like and how did you deal with that yeah I think you know I think that there's people in society that are much more well-known than we are and I think when you stand beside people at times that creates a target for you to be criticized but once again I think it's I wrote a book called friend of sinners pretty much a direct response towards all that type of criticism in Jesus Christ was never afraid to be guilty by association like let that sink in for a moment like he sat at the table with anyone and everyone and if there was Instagram back then with Jesus that would be like very very interesting to see how that would all play out you know so I don't ever want to back down from that I think that's a fight that I think is worth fighting I think that there's got to be people from the church that say wait a minute this whole thing is not about good and bad people like this is about sin which is much deeper than good and bad it's about death and life and you know how can I associate myself with somebody cuz Jesus chooses associate himself with me like Isaiah said my righteous is like filthy rags like I don't think we pay attention to what the Bible says I don't think we understand the depth of the gospel and so to me that's like that's an honest fight like to me I'm like yo if I got to go down standing next to somebody for the sake of them understanding that Jesus loves them just the way that they are that to me is I'm let put me on the headline and let me be criticized forever like someone's got a stand and I wanted I'm going for that you know but I think there's other areas right now like I'm getting a little I don't want to I don't need to create a perception that's not even real like perception is reality in 2019 and the more you grow in your leadership it's like you have to steward there even the perception and I'm learning I want to get I want to get better at that and I don't want to have a negative reputation that precedes but I want have to be in a room winning people over based upon a false idea that I helped create and so I don't know if everyone understands all the way but I think if we're not careful we can create the wrong perception and when we can try to we need a steward that we need to realize that we're called to live lives above reproach and so I don't want to give people and I what's he up to what's he thinking about where is he yet I want to try to live my life transparent clear honest I want to be a person of conviction not not convenience and so I think I think working on that and trying to improve in that area absolutely and we're in total support and praying for you guys as you keep building your church and get you know occupying space where it's unique and you guys are absolutely incredible DC helps a lot there because everybody actually likes Dawn Sheree and they all trust on ya and they're like if she likes rich I think we can like him too and so all the men out there get yourself a good wife well I think we need to give it up for the Wilkerson's and really thank them you guys are amazing so you guys well thanks so much for joining us for this week's podcast if you liked it if you loved it even if you didn't do something first yes subscribe for us and we'll see you again soon [Music]

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Keywords: church, church online, youth, youth online, hillsong church, hillsong, jesus, young&free, youth group, fuel, wildlife, religion, God, young church, young, and, free, peter toggs, laura toggs, aodhan king, pappas, spiritual

Id: TGNei58O3mY

Length: 39min 56sec (2396 seconds)

Published: Tue Jul 07 2020