Worth A Conversation with Jeezy | Season 2 Premiere FOX Soul

what's up everybody it's your boy jay geezy jenkins welcome to another episode of work the conversation tonight i'm excited about this episode we have one of the biggest preachers in the world he's a bishop he's an entrepreneur he's a philanthropist he's a new york times best-selling author you name it and he's here right now with us today welcome bishop td jakes we're here boy am i excited about this one bishop jakes how you doing my brother hello my friend it's good to see you yeah i'm here man um thank you for stopping by worth the conversation and and i've been checking you out online so so just so you know i i definitely when i need that word i go to your sermons on sunday on your podcast and i just let it ride if if i'm in the gym or if i'm on the road and i just get into it and and i couldn't help but notice that you were doing these shows i was doing these uh um you was doing your sermons and there was nobody in the church but you had the same energy so i gotta you had the same energy so i got to give you that and i just i just heard you just reopen your congregation how does that feel well just just slightly just a small amount uh we're in increments because we're being very careful i tend to be a very cautious person and i want to make sure that i don't do anything of course it makes anybody sick or creates any kind of trouble but it did feel good to have people in there last sunday uh i've been preaching the empty seats for almost 400 days now it's been since we've been open but out of the abundance of of caution i shut down since we were disproportionately contracting the virus i i was very worried with that many people in a building not to be responsible and even opening up we put a lot of protocols in place disinfect before disinfect after disinfecting every restroom after each person's use hand sanitizers everywhere socially distanced mast everywhere so there are a lot of protocols we put in place and still i'm just testing it to see if we've reached a point that we can do it our numbers are kind of low right now in texas when you think about it to do it the way you're doing it the responsible way i think as the world starts to come back to normal then we'll see other leaders actually follow your uh your template that you put out so we commend you on that it's so much it's so much going on with you because like i said i sit back and i watch it there's a few guys and i go man how do you uh how are you a bishop a motivational speaker and a businessman how does this work like you know what's funny is people always define you about how they met you right but i don't enter into business as a bishop or uh i enter in the business as a person and i think if you start with before being a preacher anything else i was a person uh my entrepreneurial pursuits my for-profit company is older than the potter's house it incorporated while i was still in west virginia so i've always had that duality uh i've got a foundation that focuses on science technology uh energy arts and math for young people trying to expose them to stem and steam programs that i care about i've also got a real estate ventures company that i own and i'm ceo over the company that acquires land does community development mixed income housing mixed use facilities uh and and i passed through the church so i wear a lot of hats yeah that's a lot of hats i mean so just as someone watching you handle all these things do you credit more so your team and the people that you put around you to to kind of maintain these things as you dip in in and out and make sure everything's to your liking well yeah i mean i'm a great team builder i'm a great team builder i couldn't be in all those places at the same time uh whether it's entertainment or real estate i have uh ceos over each department that report back to me i look at the reports i make the decisions but i'm not the person that's running around running the camera and jumping in front of it right and doing all of that crazy stuff i there's not i have a limited resource and the moment you discover that you're a limited resource then you begin to examine how can i be used for my highest and best use and at one point that was being on the stage uh at another point it'd be it becomes becoming a stage you're becoming a state especially as we see the next generation evolving and community needs being thrust in our face and we keep waiting on somebody to come and fix it and and then suddenly you realize that we are the people that we've been waiting on and so i tried to leverage my pl platform to do things like our texas offenders reentry initiative we've had over 30 000 formerly incarcerated inmates to go through that program get employed give them a place to stay help them to get back into life reduce the rate of recidivism our rate of recidivism is the lowest in the country you you have to to him who much is given much is required and you have to begin to think how can i give back in a way that works for me that helps other people to have a fighting chance had a better life so so real quick bishop um you were saying one thing i noticed about people like yourself um you build leaders you build you build teams you put people in position and i think that's a great skill and a leader you know yeah i love i love doing that you know uh it gives me fulfillment to see other people achieve their dreams and i know what it is to have leadership potential and and be starving for mentorship right somebody you can talk to somebody you can trust somebody who who knows what they're talking about right uh all of that is so desperately needed so i i i'm very passionate about leadership wow and it's crazy that you say that because i think about being a leader myself and taking that position by doing what i do because my message was always motivation and that's who i am as a person and that's my leadership trait and then i look at somebody like my brother who just passed dmx and i got to say he was great at prayer he was great at being selfless and he was fighting his own demons but he was giving everybody else everything he had to give and i feel at some point he was a leader at some point he might even build other leaders around them but he he was a person that really truly believes in faith and he preached that and my thing is what what is your take on someone like himself fighting his demons into until he's no more and and now we got to look back and look at all the great prayers and all the wisdom that he gave us but he's no longer here i think i think in his own way he was trying to help the world be a better place uh fighting his own demons to be sure but that's not really that unique uh his might be more overt than somebody else's but everybody's fighting their own demons you know you don't get through this world unnoticed by a demonic attack uh you're fighting your own demons the problem with public figures is you're fighting them in the public's eye right and they they who criticize you get to do it without exposing their own hmm they're in they're in the dark they're in the cut but you on display yeah you're on display okay you're on display and you're having a human experience in front of all other humans who get to critique you without being critiqued themselves wow yeah that's good and uh you know that's what i think about it and for myself um and and i think as a black man and i sit back sometime i think about all my lowest points in life when i've been through things and i almost lost my faith because things wasn't going my way or i didn't understand why the world was treating me a certain way but then i got to a point where i had to climb out of that hole and get my faith back and get myself back to a place where i feel like okay i'm me now and my question to you um today sir is why do you think so many black men lose their faith along the way i think faith has been misrepresented okay i think it has been used it has been taught like if you have faith in god you have no problems he'll be santa claus he'll give you everything you're after and that's what faith is all about but faith is bigger than that and broader than that and more balance in that you need faith when things aren't working you need faith when things are dark you need faith when you're at a cemetery you need faith when your heart is broken to sustain you it's not always about give me what i want or you're not legit you know it's it's teaching me what to want some look at how how differently uh what you want now is over what you wanted 20 years ago love it we'll go to a quick break and we'll be right back right here on worth of conversation with bishop td jakes my god welcome back to work the conversation i'm talking church business and much more with bishop td jakes right here you said earlier is people know you by how they met you yeah and just like myself it's just like i always wanted to strive for more i always want to put myself in a better position i want to sit down and talk to like-minded people like yourself but everybody don't see that because they met me a certain way so they try to hold you to that regard you know and it puts you in this box that i think is is a weird place to be because now you can't go out and be the best version of yourself to help anybody else around you to become a leader if that's what you want to do well they don't allow you to grow and if you don't grow you with her and uh and then they don't understand how they met you on the stage they met the performing you but that doesn't really identify who you are as a person that's not who went back to the hotel room right that's not who's up at two o'clock in the morning with dreams and aspirations beyond what i did in front of you on the stage and and then discovering yourself through being exposed your gift exposed you to more causes you to think differently a lot of times our truth is based on our exposure and where there is no vision we perish and and your your gift brings you into a room you wouldn't otherwise get into and now you're exposed to people who think differently who have other aspirations and that's contagious then it's exciting and it's and it's motivating and the reason more people don't do it is because you have to fight through the disruption of how they think you are to become who you really are right and a lot of people are not willing to do that they succumb to the gravitational pull of the public to go down to how you met me to appease you so you will like me like me more right yeah yeah so you will like me more they they won't risk the ridicule of being criticized but what they don't know is you're going to be criticized anyway i gotta take a break but y'all keep it locked right here cause i got some questions about faith that only the bishop can answer right here with the conversation welcome back to work the conversation i'm still tapped in with bishop td jakes let's talk about police brutality in america dante wright george floyd these things that are going on right now um this is dante wright situation i'm just getting a lot of the information on it and when i look at it i heard something that his aunt said on on um on uh today on the tv and she said my nephew was a good boy you know and how do you take someone's life because you mistakenly thought that your taser was something else and and you you didn't know it was your actual firearm and it's an accident and that's the story and then you go to george floyd right now who his daughter his sister uh i listened to what she had to say and she had a point my brother's not on trial the person who killed them was on trial but y'all are trying to dig deep into his past to say this is why he was killed and when i see those things i would like to know what what someone like yourself thinks right right i have to laugh just a moment because my raw thoughts on it might be too wrong uh i have an extreme disdain for it i have three sons i'm a black man my father was a black man and my grandfather who i'm named after was murdered by white supremacists in mississippi when he was in his 20s so naturally i have a very painful uh resentful experience uh emotionally every time i see it it's it's almost a trigger just to see those atrocities having been born in the 60s born in the 50s really raised in the 60s it's a movie i thought i'd never see again but keeps on replaying over and over again uh i think the good news though because i always like to find a silver lining somewhere in the darkest cloud there's always a silver lining we went through this here in dallas with both of john the the police officer mistakenly went into the wrong apartment building and shot him in his own apartment building and and justice prevail and she was tried found guilty and went to jail i think there are going to be people who do wrong intentionally or unintentionally and as long as the same justice that you use on me you use on you then then we have an equality but when there's one set of rules for the blue and another set of rules for the black then we have a crisis it can't be justice if it's just us so so uh i want to see justice i want to see an overhaul in the criminal justice system uh you know i think it goes beyond better training i think we just need to see justice we need to see equity we need to see aftercare programs we need to see education in prisons we need to stop reenacting slavery behind prison walls for free making people work for food producing products in prison at one time on the stock market in prison we're making money out of incarcerating uh a predominantly amount of people of color and i think that's an atrocity and for the smallest infringements for the kinds of infringements that if you are in another people group and you golf with the judge and you can or you golf with lawyers you can handle it in a more discreet way but when it happens in our underserved communities where they don't have access nor contacts no resources yes to be able to fight back when george floyd said i can't breathe our whole community choked with him right because we for a long time the knee of oppression has been on our neck in so many different ways uh sometimes education helps it sometimes resources help it and sometimes even with all of that you can still be castigated and treated like an animal and it's saddening because i have grandchildren now and uh i would like to leave them in a better world than i found but i do think that we're having the conversations and i do think that justice is starting to work ever so slowly like in the case in dallas hopefully in the case of george floyd and i i do think that police departments are having to rethink themselves yes and and i do think that uh i'm hopeful that the conversation that we're having that we weren't even having 65 of even caucasian people now realize that we are being uh mistreated mishandled by the police that's a vast difference from 20 years ago yes so you know now everybody's carrying black lives matter signs they're they're white they're blonde haired they're blue-eyed and they're saying black lives matter that validation gives me some hope right uh corporations coming up and investing into the community gives me some hope i i think we need more accountability over what they did in press releases the where is the money who got it when did it go where did it go i don't see anybody policing that to see that that materializes but we are having the conversation and um really when when i wrote uh don't drop the mic it started out to be about preaching and and how to get the best out of the text and explaining my preaching style but because it happened in the midst of george floyd and the pandemic it ended up being about having a conversation like we're having that we don't have to be in the same world or the same space or the same field or the same color or the same generation to to have a conversation as long as we're talking we're not killing right as long as we're talking we're not fighting and i think our country needs to have this very uncomfortable conversation because we have lived together uh for over at least over 400 years um like a bad marriage we we just didn't talk about it right kept it on books and it's crazy that you said um the resources and and and and relationships in in the comments you made about being able to golf with the the judges or the lawyers i found myself two in a situation a few years back where was on tour absolutely did nothing wrong at the time i was talking to um uh minister farrakhan and we you know we befriended each other and he told me said jeezy your message is changing and you know you got to watch out for the enemy and lo and behold about two weeks after that um i was on tour and i got arrested for something that you know something happened at the venue had nothing to do with it and i got arrested for it and i found myself in a situation where i almost lost everything that i had because it was a serious charge and i just remember having to fight it and i sat there and i thought to myself you know i did my praying and and i just knew that i was right and i wasn't wrong and i just thank god that i had the resources and relationships because if i didn't you know i was going to be i was going to be pinned to the board because it was you did it and i wasn't even there i left this i left the venue and i went to my hotel room and i had to go back and backtrack all these things it was my first unselfish moment because everyone that was on the tour with me from my driver to uh my assistant and all these different people that was with me they got locked up as well because it was on the tour bus and i didn't get myself out until i got everybody out because i had everybody had a million dollar bond so i remember telling my team like i can't leave them in the la county jail because they're not from the walk of life i am they just came to help me and assist me on this and if i didn't have the resources and the relationships bishop i'll probably still be there right now so i feel for our people that are out here um and being wrongly accused or if they're even if they did a crime it doesn't permit them to be killed right that's what i keep telling people we're not saying uh to excuse our bad behavior right we're just saying don't ex don't try us and execute us on the sidewalk right right because you had a bad day and mr donut was closed and you didn't get your coffee this morning i got but for the police officer to try you on the sidewalk is a very shameful thing so we got people uh choked to death for for over nine minutes for for a twenty dollar infringement right for twenty dollar here i'll give you the twenty right now i got twenty in my pocket you have it right now give me this life back problem is you can't do that i can give you the 20 but you can't give his life back yes so when you start taking what you can't give that's a very uncomfortable situation and that does not negate the fact that there are all kinds of great police officers black white and brown that i call myself if you should buy your bump in the night yes i'm down 9-1-1 with equipment and help myself while i'm waiting on them to come now uh having said that i don't want to call trouble i want to call help i don't want the person who comes in to be helped to come in and create more trouble i want i want to be able to call them because i'm in trouble and i need your help so i don't want you to come in and shoot my son because i called you to the seat to help and those are the kinds of dilemmas we find ourselves in people often ask what's the difference between gang violence drive-by shootings and why don't you say anything more about that because they have not been deputized to protect and serve yes yes so so yes it's wrong and yes it's terrible and yes it's horrific and yes it's a huge problem in our community but when you call for help for somebody who's sworn to protect and serve you and they kill you absolutely uh that's that's that's like going to the doctor and him stabbing you today right when you had a flu yeah yeah exactly but i think the difference between gang violence and and those things is you know they signed up for that that's that's what th that's what they do so they know what comes with that if you are a police officer it's almost like like you said it's almost being a like like a an emergency room you know operated doctor you you don't come there to to to kill people no that's not you you come to save lives or protect and when you look at these situations like georgia florida you're absolutely right it's twenty dollars and that doesn't permit that and you look at this kid who just got killed here and the kid that got killed at um the wendy's here in atlanta during the uh uh doing the lockdown none of that warrants taking someone's child's life because one thing that i did see in in in that situation happened in wendy's with all these speculations and everything is going on us as black men we we even myself if i got pulled over leaving the studio today i would be a little concerned in a suit or not you see the guy they just um pepper sprayed and he had on his uniform he was a lieutenant yeah in the service it's like at what point at what point am i not a threat the issue is qualified immunity allows the police officer to go through the judicial system without their previous record being brought out in the trial instead we are we are almost trying george floyd right and all of his previous incidents and areas are coming out none of the person who's on trial are we hearing anything about their past and it's because of qualified immunity we have to re-examine some of these laws uh that are antiquated that are outdated that preempt us from being able to have a fair shot at justice uh and and i think we're getting there but it's a slow process and as a parent i don't have a whole lot of patience because i fear for my children i fear for myself i fear for you i fear i feel for for our community i feel for the asian community i feel for the jewish community i feel for the poor white community because we all suffer from getting into a court situation where you have to do plea bargaining uh you don't have a money for an attorney you get a court-appointed attorney it's not that he's not good but his case load is over the roof he makes a quick plea bargaining deal and you end up locked up in san quentin for steel and chewing gum right that i mean this this something about this is so morally reprehensible that even even people who are not subject to it are starting to recognize that thank you bishop time to take another break but when we come back we're talking criminal justice reform mental health with bishop t.d jakes right here worth the conversation y'all keep it locked welcome back to work the conversation i'm topping it up with bishop t.d jakes about the black community business and much more right here so the pandemic hit you know our culture hard like do you have any thoughts on the trauma and and mental health issues that are going on right now as we go through this pen i've never seen anything like it jeezy uh and the worst thing about it is we still have a stigma about mental health issues and we we came into it with mental health issues uh raging in our community and then the trauma of losing loved ones that you could not be with while they died disproportionately having our our mothers and fathers and sisters and brothers to die and the pandemic and then they say a social distance and you're a single mother and you get three kids in a two-bedroom apartment and your grandmama's living with you because you have no place to put her we could not social distance then we predominantly provide services public services uh grocery store attendance hotel greeters and so forth and so on where we are constantly in contact with people and we got to work right uh all of that pressure has uh created an undue strain and stress on us emotionally uh for for for people of faith church is as much therapeutic as it is spirituality it is it is where we go to get answers and help and express ourselves and uh so i am acutely aware of the high level of pain that the black community has ingested not only in a contemporary way but think about this historically we have the compounded trauma that passes down from generations psychology has done tests on survivors of the holocaust down to the third generation their entire dna was rearranged by something they didn't experience but their ancestors experienced that is also true of african americans so if you take my historical trauma and add it to my contemporary trauma you find me in situations where i'm acting out in inappropriate ways and here's the thing about it even our own community judges each other when we act out never allowing for the fact that that person has an emotional disorder when we talk about emotional disorders we're fine with that we have compassion for that but when that shows up in illicit behavior which is what it does it shows up in some sort of behavior uh we have no sensitivity even amongst our own and i think we have to just start being better to each other i think we have to be kinder and more empathetic toward each other because we're putting each other in positions where you have nowhere to turn suicide rates going up amongst kids that's a problem people marriage is exploding that's a problem they're exploding spousal domestic violence went up during covid all of that is a problem just the very anxiety of who's next is a problem and socialization is important for us because all we all we ever had to bathe the wounds of abuse was it was fun so you better get out and move around yeah get out move around interact without each with each other have a sense of brotherhood and community is it's therapeutic to minorities in a way that i'm not sure everybody likes to have fun but it is the only time that we got to be whole people were when we were with each other not every door was open to us in society for years and still continues only to be cracked right and partially and for us not to have all the information and understand because on the lowest level when you think about poverty and think about those low-income households and families they're most concerned on surviving right and feeding the family and now they're out of jobs um now i mean i i looked at it even if you look at the stimulus checks i only think two or three came my my twenty my son couldn't live off of twelve hundred dollars in in a year for three times right you know so it's like when you sit there and you put all that on and if you look at the state of the world as far as the way i see it from what i'm saying it's just like if you look at these young kids out here killing each other in the street and and they're acting that they're acting that way because they feel that the police are already taking us out nobody's with us and now they get out here and they have to fend for themselves and to figure out ways to live and eat and maintain these lifestyles and that come with you know with mixed with trauma and and and and and pst and all these different things you know you get out here and then you you you you're basically killing each other just to survive you're dying to live it's what you're doing and we we need to we need to st we need help we need help with the violence in our community we need help with the balance on our community all of that violence is unacceptable because what we really want what everybody really wants regardless of skin tone economic socioeconomic levels of life is peace leave me alone how do we move forward bishop as a culture i think i think we we move incrementally as we always have that's why we're not in change anymore change happens incrementally and that's a very frustrating process and it happens generationally and it happens through the development of leadership you were talking a while ago about leadership i have a leadership conference it's going to be virtual it's normally uh in person but april 29th through may the first and and we're talking with we're we're leaders helping leaders because leadership is leadership whether it's over a football team or a church whether it's over an entrepreneurship or startup church it makes no difference at all the same skill sets are necessary in order to be effective at either one it's just that at the end of the day you're called to preach another one you know maybe you're making the camel soup or something but at the end of the day you still got to manage people you still got to pay bills you still have to you still have things to do in order to make it work what's the biggest piece of business advice that you can give someone because i love the way you handle your business if the business isn't right the deal doesn't get done so so suppress the urge to be creative and let's get this business straight so that when i come up with this movie idea when i go to lifetime and say uh i've got a partnership uh let's do a deal together we just did lust and we're getting ready to do envy and we're doing a series on seven deadly sins that doesn't start on the stage with the actors that starts in the boardroom with the ceos and the marketing directors and going in there and get the deal right most of us give our candy away for free to people who were already rich wow people who i love that lust and envy two great words two great words describe describe lust describe envy from from bishops from from my bishop jake's definition uh lust is the desire uh generally applies to sex okay but can be for other things uh to desire something that you don't currently have that feeling of desire and wanting and longing uh epitomizes what lust is defined as as opposed to love lust takes love gives lust takes love gives love gives got it so all lust wants to do is satisfy itself all love wants to do is give to someone else wow and and so lust it then becomes the the antithesis of of love in some in many many cases by the way while we're talking about love congratulations uh you're a newlywed thank you brother yeah yeah that's a that's a that's a very nice thing you had my friend john maxwell to officiate yes he had a yeah he's a wonderful person he's a wonderful uh person but when you talk about envy this is the thing that i think that people missing and the movie coming up this weekend is is envy and it's got an amazing cast amazing script the thing that people don't realize about envy they convolute envy and jealousy is the same thing but in if you study jealousy closely uh the bible said god is jealous you can only be jealous over what is yours you are envious of what is yours what is yours yeah so if it's mine i'm jealous the bible says i'm god was jealous he's jealous of us so uh jealous for us jealous concerning us uh but when your envy is evil it's something that's not yours you don't own it you don't deserve it but you want it anyway envy envy and most of the time what we call jealousy is really envy okay because of what yours to begin with and people are envious of you and sometimes you don't even know when they became envious then i'll tell you this this cool thing it's it's a biblical thing but it's kind of cool the bible says that the last supper that satan having entered into judas jesus turned and looked at him and told him what thou do is do it quickly and i had this amazing thought if he entered in we don't know when and you never can tell when somebody who's been your friend becomes envious of you it never announces itself right it just happens it doesn't it doesn't say okay now i'm envious of you they're still smiling right they're still grinning and you can't tell when envy has entered into the picture because envy seldom announces itself lust will always announce itself envy will stay in the shadows and stay in the dark and when it explodes you're shocked because it could have been somebody that you thought was really your friend and all everybody listening at us right now has had a taste of that experience where somebody you were who congratulated you was secretly envious of you and uh so it's it's a great movie it's a great problem it's a great subject i love the two words together i think it's genius i have to take another break but when i come back we're talking state of the black community with bishop t.d jakes right here worth the conversation y'all keep it locked welcome back to work the conversation i'm topping it up with bishop td jakes about the black community business and much more right here how do you handle temptation like as a leader uh you know the funny thing about temptation temptation is not a problem jesus was tempted uh temptation is common to man it's yielding to the temptation that is a problem and you have to know when you're out gun you have to know when something is too too much for you paul told timothy to flee youthful lust not fight it flee it run from it joseph ran from potiphar's wife there are some things you have to run from when you're out gun uh but but here's a deeper thing i wanted to say to you uh about temptation that especially for men that that i have wrestled with still wrestle with but have evolved to some degree about we have to broaden our definition of what makes us happy okay our our definition of what makes us happy didn't grow up as we grew up so we have grown men with little boys definitions of happiness if it's not this this or that we're not happy and and and so to broaden your definition of what what makes you happy is something i work on every day because i went through a period in my life where i wasn't very happy and i realized that i had a lot of reasons to be happy but i wasn't fully happy and i noticed my wife could be happier easier than me and and i found that my definition of happy was so small it was only around two or three things that really made me happy and i had to broaden them till i appreciated all of the many amazing things i was missing because of my narrow definition the laughter of my grandchildren the the admiration in my son's eye right the the the the the feel of a breeze sitting on the back porch we we have to learn how to broaden our definition of happy to the point that we don't define happiness in your childish way uh in your past and become a man right i'm gonna take another break but i got much more with bishop t.d jakes when we return worth the conversation welcome back to what the conversation i'm still tapped in with bishop td jakes i i got to a point in in life i i always told myself i wanted to get out of the streets i wanted to give my mom a house i wanted to you know put myself my sisters through school i want to put myself in a better position and i did all those things so millions of records and i'm just sitting there and i'm just i got this survivor's remorse and i'm not understanding why and it's almost like everybody i love wanted me to stay there but i know i had a bigger mission somewhere else so i had to take that leap of faith and it wasn't easy because i lost so many people along the way that i really felt like that was for me and i didn't understand like am i wrong and and like you said like things made me happy that you know had monetary gain something i can feel the touch and the minute i started to take time to really get to understand and learn myself i fell in love with reading because i took my mind somewhere else i fell in love with sitting down having conversations with people that i would just go in and ask some you know eight or nine questions and just get an understanding of something i started to do just things that was normal like go outside and ride a bike you know and just get out and i did things like really got in the gym and you know carved out me some time to just have my own thoughts i did things like waking up in the morning and meditating and and taking 10 minutes to think about all the things that i'm grateful for and it wasn't nothing that money could buy it well it wasn't nothing that i could get in and drive and it's just like yo i'm happy and this is the first time i was so caught up in you know the night life and drinking and partying i was like this is what makes me happy and the minute it switched over for me it was like being in a room with four walls and all the four walls fall and you could see as far as your eyes could see just that place of peace for yourself so i would just tell anybody like don't let people put you in a box and and try to make you out of what they want you to be because you're right that's how we look at happiness it's such a small gamut of things where we go okay this is what makes me happy and the world is so much bigger and and jesus the other thing is most of us never had manhood modeled in front of us absolutely and i feel i feel like to to me bishop like that's my mission because i i didn't i never had that and how you had to go figure out business yeah i had to figure out life and even when i got into music i understood that that wasn't my last stop that was a stepping stone for me to to pursue other things just like this is why i want to do this show to talk to to to people that i respect and have a conversation about the things that we don't get to talk about because we don't have those type of models we just see the finished product yeah we don't we don't see the things they go through and how to understand i never had you know someone tell me to be present someone tell me to be in the moment you know somebody tell me that you know that no matter what happens you know that this stuff is not going to come with me because that's why i was spending so much money on designing clothes and trying to kind of keep up with people because i thought that's what i was supposed to do because now right now i'm in the rat race but the minute i stepped out of the rat race life just slowed down i loved just sitting and talking with my daughter and looking at trees and having conversations of going to sit down one of my friends is talking about life and actually actually taking the time to ask people how they doing how are you doing like and be and be sincere about it and and add values to others others is something that gives me it gives me fulfillment and i was never that person so now these days like that's me and that's why i've been working on myself so much so i'd love to hear you say that what's a word of inspiration from the bishop that you can tell our community like if you just got everybody's attention at one time and we all tuned in and we're sitting there we're like bishop just tell us something that's gonna keep us going what would that be together we could do anything um we could do anything our togetherness is stronger than their hatred if if if they had 20 million dollars and i had a million people to give me 20. we could still get there we could we could build we could buy we could own capital old capital w capital in we could own our destiny own our giftings and own our future if we would work together and it doesn't have to be all 40 million of us i'll take i'll take a tithe of it i'll take one percent of it anytime we get together we are better together than we are apart and and i think that's the big thing that we need rather than to wait on them to understand us i'm glad they're starting to that's really good but we are the people we've been waiting on and and if they want to join in that's good you're more than welcome to come in and help but together we could do absolutely other other minorities coming to this country and they get an apartment there's 20 people living in a two-bedroom apartment and the next thing you know they own the apartment building and it's because they understand the power of togetherness and if we would stop pulling each other down and and and start lifting one another up there's no way i can push you up and not go up with you right uh i i say this i don't know a lot about hip-hop it may be a grain of salt something you did with the mic get you to where you are right as you evolve into all that you are going to do and be you don't have to drop the mic you you don't have to drop it because it it's the gateway your gift the bible said your gift will bring you before great men you don't have to drop the mic you might change the message but but you don't have to drop the mic because there's there's something nobody gets there just because they want to get there there's something on your life that's predestined or you wouldn't get there discovering what that is uh is important and i hope you read the book really absolutely i don't say that as a as an advertisement because you're a mike guy you'll really appreciate the metaphor i hope you read the book and understand have a platform uh i welcome you to the leadership conference absolutely uh i i think it's so important what we're doing right now what we're doing right now sets the model the likelihood of a jeezy and a jakes that's right i like that jinx that's kind of cool like that jeezy and james having a conversation it's the most unthought of thing but if we could have a conversation we could build an apartment building we could build a mall if we could build a mall we could build a school if we could build a school we could start a college if we could start a college we could change the world we any time we get together it sets a model for them those kids those gang bangers those people in the street they say wow you know he's not as weird as i thought he was right or you know or or he can do more than rap and all of a sudden you and i break out of the prison of their opinion and it gives them the courage to know don't let anybody incarcerate you with how they define you be your own individual explore yourself look at what we brought together we didn't just come together but we brought nations and tribes together and in the process of doing that we did good for the community and we discover hey cheesy praise he absolutely does you know jesus jesus respects the word maybe he's not as different as i thought he was and all of a sudden our myths begin to fall and our family begins to rebuild we've lost our family man right we've lost our fat we used to be i'm older than you we used to be a family dysfunctional yeah but we were still a family and i'd rather have a disposable one than not at all you know and uh i i hope that resonates uh with you and resonates with your audience i'm pleased and honored to share with you and i like i like to add on to that bishop because at the end of my show i always give my viewers uh a couple words of wisdom and my words of wisdom today just sitting down talking to you and and just understanding this be all that you want to be don't let nobody box you in and tell you that you have to be one thing a good brother a good father a good uncle good cousin be all the things that you want to be and as you on that road you're going to shed some skin you're going to share some people um you might get a little you might get some envy you might get some lust along the way but be present be present because when it's your time to sit down and talk to somebody like bishop and i are talking they want to hear your words of wisdom what you got to say so stay present you know make sure y'all take a look at bishop's second movie this month envy which airs on lifetime saturday 8 8 pm eastern also make sure you check out his copy of his new book don't drop the mic stay doing what you're doing and congratulations on everything thank you thank you thank you for having me i enjoyed it very much you

Channel: FOX Soul

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Keywords: Black Family, Black Excellence, Black Millennials, Black Comedy, Blackpreneur, Black Girl Magic, Black Men, Black Women, fox soul, FOXSOUL, Black Lives Matter, African American, Martin Luther King, MLK, Black Community, Black History, TD Jakes, BishopTDJakes, Jeezy Jenkins

Id: crA7lZAaJ3c

Length: 51min 49sec (3109 seconds)

Published: Thu Apr 15 2021