Why People Are Quitting Path of Exile

they're quitting the game he quit that's one person i don't know what to do so there's another one the company is out of touch and arrogant the league is dead for sure guys a lot of you guys may or may not know i play path of exile a lot i've played it ever since the closed beta i do not play every league i usually do every other league or every one every three leagues i play the new expansion releases etc today i'm making a video because i think that the poe community has never been more mad i remember whenever uh streamers got priority queue in ritual league it was great except not according to reddit and it was so bad uh chris wilson had to make a tweet or not a tweet a post on reddit saying that streamers aren't gonna be able to get priority queue anymore and the main [ __ ] uh the main offender of this was this gentleman right here in period and it's gotten so bad reddit [ __ ] hated him this guy was public enemy number one and the other people in the group were two three four five and six and guess what it's gotten so bad that a video that he did is on the top to the top it's a front page first post top post of poe it's not good so basically i'm gonna go ahead and just kind of uh set the stage talk to you guys a little bit about what happened uh basically we had a effectively path of exile did this in 3.15 am i right about this expedition league where things got really massively nerfed and they've done it again now where they've added effectively a league mechanic yes and and this was a [ __ ] in the ass i thought they kind of needed to rain things in a little bit but now it's like you can't even get out of the stables holy [ __ ] like i'm gonna go ahead and show you guys now i played the game uh what's my uh slash played one day 11 hours so i put in 35 hours into this league so we're at a rate of about one chaos orb an hour we're actually a little bit below that and i just sold a ring before i recorded this video for two chaos orbs so it's not looking good for the league and to put this into context like people don't understand like what this is right imagine a chaos orb is a dollar and imagine an exalted orb is like a hundred dollar bill right bro i had three benjamins three exalties at the exact same time at this league uh last [ __ ] uh last league like i had i think probably what was it uh like three or four exalts on like the second day of the week and it was bad man it is really [ __ ] bad now i've got six pieces of it and then now exalts suck so it doesn't even matter and so basically like they cut down like what the the path of exile is right now is it's the great depression uh basically and uh the players are depressed uh the the streamers are depressed reddit is depressed and um chris wilson came out and he made a post about this and i think that it might be the most downvoted post ever it was the most downvoted post ever that they have ever yes it is and so chris wilson being the diplomat that he is uh he did not include the advertisement for the mystery boxes the loot boxes in the reddit post however on the official website at the bottom of this post there is a link to the uh the loot boxes so uh you know he's he's an eternal diplomat here and um basically a lot of players have come out and they've been very unhappy about the state of the league i think that you could pretty much sum up uh [ __ ] is too hard and you don't get enough [ __ ] those are the main problems with the league is that nobody's getting any stuff and the stuff you do get oh oh oh by the way if you want to make your [ __ ] into better [ __ ] with crafting by the way you can't do that because crafting in itself is [ __ ] okay so i feel like i'm uh mr leahy here it's not looking good and we've got a lot of uh it's the [ __ ] rain and that's what happened and so they took this buff that was on the last league and they applied this buff to every single rare mob in the game so that means like you know whenever you do a breach and like 10 rare mobs run at you oh there's only four now but everyone kills you and so it it added like a force multiplier to all of the content in the game and it made it way harder and harvest is uh you guys might not know this it's like reforging and it's like it's reforging plus plus plus in path of exile and you know the farmer meme where it says it ain't much but it's honest work one of the biggest memes in poe is whenever they posted that picture but they just blacked out the but it's honest work and it just says it ain't much and that was the last time it got nerfed now they've itemized all of the different buffs that you could put on your gear from harvest and basically there was a problem that they had and and we're gonna we're gonna look at this players are now uh noticing occasionally harvesting can longer have any life force drop this is because in order to reduce the number of clicks after an encounter the light force from beasts below tier three had a non-guaranteed chance to drop which i mean let's have a logic check here chris is right you can't loot anything you can't click on the screen if there's nothing to click on problem solved and so uh harvest effectively has been gutted many people's specs have been gutted uh the the game is now having elites in it and and i do think that on a fundamental level the balance is is it's [ __ ] we should not play a game where like random yellow elites are always stronger than the map bosses like you go through a map and whenever you get to the boss it's like oh finally this will be easy meanwhile every yellow boy you see it's like oh my god am i about to get deleted off of the face of the earth and so these mobs are just like uh randomly overpowered and i actually don't think the problem is with the mobs i think that the worst five to three percent offenders of like weird combos of arc nemesis buffs with other resistances where like the mob has like 734 percent fire resistance oh actually you know what i'll just show you a video this is what it's like a touch soul eater oh [ __ ] big juice big jim's coming so basically basically what happens is that you have a mob that is just he gets so many buffs and he is so powerful that he exceeds the effective health pool of the hardest bosses in the game because of these different multipliers uh yeah and so this is by the way guys it's a three minute video arc nemesis has been nerfed ten times so far it's so [ __ ] up i think that if at the end of this fight if this [ __ ] dropped the mirror shard it would be badass i actually don't think this is a problem other than like you know some like crazy imbalances but like if this [ __ ] dropped a mirror shard everybody would be like oh my god i hope i get one of those right oh my god this would be so cool right the problem is the [ __ ] loot yes you're right like the three to five percent outliers with arc nemesis are dog [ __ ] but i will agree with with ggg i will say that i think that the arc nemesis modifiers in general of course it's going to get bigger surely it'll give big loot it's going to be incredible it's going to be at least two mirror shards i think that in general the modifiers are more interesting more visually dynamic and better than the base modifiers and i think that matters i do and i think that the arc nemesis modifiers are generally better modifiers minus a handful of them but the problem is that the design and the rewards are so bad it doesn't feel good like yesterday i fought against a dog and in in the game there's no michael vick [ __ ] uh in the game and i killed it finally in the game and i got four items that had six sockets that were linked like a six socket linked item i got four of them in one kill and that mob took me a while to kill and you know what i wish i could kill him again i would love it i would be so excited but the problem is that a lot of the mobs that you kill um well let's just take a look here let's see what we're gonna get someone kept count of how long i've been fighting this thing imagine if this like wasn't just a skeleton too imagine if this was like a catawba's herald or something i'd be like i mean imagine if it was catawba oh wait it'd be already dead if it was the god of destruction so a lot of you guys might not necessarily understand what all these pieces are so let me give you a description of what these pieces are so we've got the karui chopper right here uh superior legion sword it's uh this is a superior legion sword and um oh shrieking essence of anger let's go ahead and get that right there and now we have the cupcake wrapper which is supposed to represent the nightmare bassinet so guess what people are not happy with the league and i'd like to watch a couple of videos and uh look at some clips and and talk about so what some of the people in the community are uh frustrated about and again uh chris wilson came out chris wilson is the uh the main guy over there at poe right he's the guy that you know it's like uh he's the guy if you're mad about the game it's his fault there's a bunch of people that work on the game but doesn't matter it's his [ __ ] fault because that's the guy everybody [ __ ] knows and so anyway yeah mr patrick says lead def it is what it is jay wilson right and um he basically said that the reason why people were getting less loot is that there was a nerf to the global loot modifiers that nobody knew about because it wasn't in the patch notes but now that people are bringing it up i might as well come clean yes guys we did nerf the loot by 80 percent or was it 90. and so he made a tweet about a post about this and um i i think that this post it's like gasoline on a fire and so we're gonna go ahead and look at a few of the uh the the opinions from some of the uh well-known poe streamers and i know that a lot of you guys might not know everybody here uh so i'm gonna do like just a very small like uh you know who is this uh this guy uh he basically finds a way to make this game look like a complete joke and he does it so much that people hate him imagine he has a printer in his in his in his uh hideout which is like your your garrison your house and poe and it just prints money but it's not illegal this is what this guy does with six other people they make a bunch of money they flood the market and uh then they just goof around for the rest of the league and so let's go ahead and listen to what he thinks sorry volume's not great all right i'm logging out i am not being a number on this game anymore yeah [ __ ] [ __ ] this [ __ ] this [ __ ] they're quitting the game i'm already voted with my wallet i'm now voting with my yeah i'm not going to support their facts he quit that's one person and then this is steel mage uh steel mage is uh one of the most well-known hardcore players he's pushed ladder he's competed in the gauntlet and he's done this for a long time i think there have been leagues where steel mage was the first if not in the top three to level 100 one of the uh one of the most serious high-end players of a path of exile because yeah someone in chat said it really adequately this definitely took the wind out of my sails i feel so [ __ ] what's the point of playing software trade if you can't juice what's the point of playing ssf if you can't craft gear i don't know what to do crafting also got nerfed massively i don't know what to do so there's another one so this has been uh ben well here's how you know ben's good at the game is he doesn't even use a webcam and people watch him marcus box duplicate duplicate so arcanus box usually they have really good loot in it like i'm talking like big dick loot it didn't it didn't it did not have it didn't see so basically um like what should have happened is like effectively like there should have been like a metaphorical bust a nut on the screen of currency and instead of that he got zero currency now chris wilson has come out and said that was a bug and next time whenever he opens it up there will be two chaos orbs in the box let's go to the next one so you can obviously tell this guy is like a a massive [ __ ] neckbeard and it has nothing to do with the way he looks he's got a [ __ ] headhunter it's the first week of the league okay i don't need to say anything else if everybody doesn't understand what a headhunter is it's inspired learning okay it's gonna be a headhunter tomorrow this guy plays the game [ __ ] constantly i've watched like 10 of his videos it was all a fever dream there's no hard mode there was no quantity nerf and arc nemesis what's that man that that doesn't exist huh he's having such a bad time he's role-playing in his own mind that he's playing a league that came out over a year ago that's how down bad this guy is right now he's role-playing in his own mind and read the chat the chat is going along with it magma barrier no what are you talking about dude and we wake up and it's ritually again and i'm playing cold bv with legacy explode oh i lost dude i'm back exploding like two uh two weeks ago i log in logan and hot spores and i'm like oh hello host hello backstaff i vendor a sixth link i get a divine alex all drops pog i'm pogging out dude i got an exhaust drop i'm back home they're all getting hyped up about something that happened it's not even a real dog dude he's there and he lost his xp's i'm back home dude that's sad this guy right here he's one of the guys like on youtube if this guy makes a build or something like that i will watch it this guy really [ __ ] knows what he's doing this is another very very serious player i mean the league is dead for sure like the league is absolutely dead this is after he's reading the post from chris company is out of touch and arrogant doesn't even listen to the feedback that people give though i don't know who is working there i mean there it is it's another one i got one more to go uh i and and like i don't have one more because i'm running out by the way uh i have plenty more uh but we're just gonna watch this one then we're gonna watch another video uh this guy is a minion legend well he was until they made minions bad uh this guy like uh for any any time that you want any information about minions and poe this guy knows all about it he actually knows how to craft minion gear in poe there's only like six people in the world that know how to do that let's hear how he feels about the new league yeah he's actually yeah he's overlord overlord irl killed him i can't give these guys more defense i've used every tool in the entire game to make these guys survive and a non-damaged mode of tier 16 kills them this is not okay and i've reached out to gdp for context damage mods in a tier 16 can multiply the output by like 400 percent so like imagine what it's like with the mods raising my concerns before that and that's not even the hardest concepts like this and the answer i received was that it's been play tested it felt fine for us you should just i don't know what to say you should try it out in uh when league launches try to see how it feels we tell you what i have play tested it i have tested it and i've and i don't like it i don't like it it's [ __ ] a man after my own heart hit the like button subscribe for more content i'll catch you guys the next one till then stay safe keep rocking you know part of it part of me feels good watching this because like it's not only wow like i'm not the only person that's experienced this horseshit like there's other people out there in the world that have experienced the same thing that i have let's go back over we will look at the al kaiser clip al kaiser uh became known because he was the first person in the entire world to get paragon 100 in diablo 3. and it was not even remotely close nobody else was probably even level 90 by then this guy basically like the runs that people did in diablo 3 were made they were called alkaiser runs okay he's plays poe every single [ __ ] league he even plays the gauntlets too which are like the mini leagues here we go people don't get excited over things taken away from them like you wake up one day and like someone took a pair of scissors and snipped off an inch of your dick right like like what you expect someone to be appreciative of that oh look appreciate the rest of the dick that you have left nobody's gonna think like that or feel that way you know what i mean not one person's gonna be like oh [ __ ] wow look i still got like this much of my dick but half of it i'm happy about that nobody wants their dick cut off it's like ggg didn't come in there like you know every patch and they come in there and it's just another minor circumcision like this is a [ __ ] straight up castration and people are not happy we're gonna watch a video about this now there's two videos we'll probably watch both of them this is a video by ziggy d uh ziggyd is so well respected and known in the community that oftentimes following the announcement of a new league he even does a podcast with chris wilson and sometimes other people uh on that same day on the path of exile channel i believe very very well known very well respected made a video today why the path of exile community is very upset i have something on my uh on my character i'm trying to sell it for 50 chaos orbs but i was thinking to myself nobody has that many chaos orbs so i'm never going to be able to sell it like there's no way that somebody can get that amount of currency this early into the league it's only been three days good day here the path of exiles player base is the most united i've ever seen unfortunately it's over being very unhappy with the current state of the game and developer grinding gear games initial response to their complaints i wanted to give a summary overview as to what's going on and what people are upset about now as this is more of a drama recap than actual content i've opted to disable the monetization that i can since i don't really want to feel incentivized to make drama content just in this never [ __ ] do that never do that because people will always find if if you they'll always find some kind of a way that you get an advantage for it and you never play into the people that try to pull that angle with you because if people are trying to pull that angle on you they don't like you they don't [ __ ] agree with you and they don't give a [ __ ] guys it felt worth making a video to give people a summary as to what's going on and share some thoughts as a game and a community that i love is in a pretty rough shape right now all right so there's lots of topics to cover let's just start with the new expansion lake of calandra the reveal for this new mirrored lake mechanic looked quite good you promised a fun new system of build your own content that improved on some other similar systems we've had in the past it also involved one of the more mysterious characters in path of exile's law calandra for whom one of the rarest items the mirror of calandra is named for that's right quickly players discovered that this new mechanic was not very rewarding in fact quite unrewarding compared to the state that most new content releases in as such a lot of times whenever a new league mechanic comes out it's ridiculously good like i remember mike ember back like in ritual league where people kept tweeting out pictures of like oh oh my god i got a [ __ ] headhunter uh in in my ritual like i got a [ __ ] guy got a mirror he got a exalted orb and then like even an ultimatum people would get crazy like i got oh bro like i got a lot of crazy [ __ ] in ultimatum i'ma be honest like i [ __ ] hated that league but like i got a lot of crazy [ __ ] in there and so it's like yeah it was raining bro like that [ __ ] was nuts and it was [ __ ] annoying to play too and so whenever a league comes out and the mechanic is bad like you have to understand about the path of exile community these are people that can watch a 30-minute build guide video with no gameplay and the only thing that you see is a bunch of spreadsheets and math and then all the comments are like wow bro this [ __ ] looks [ __ ] fun man oh my god bro like i'm fired up i can't wait to play this dude oh my god this is gonna be awesome man i watched the whole thing thanks for your videos so you have to understand these are the people that you are making content for these are not people that just oh we play the game and i like doing these maps because they look cool bro these people optimize the fun out of everything and they have fun doing that if your [ __ ] is not optimized people in poe will not [ __ ] do it when my permadeath character died in the lake yesterday i felt a bit stupid because i died taking a big risk for the promise of very little return this one was able to maybe just the big bears i've gotten a couple of to be fair that was 100 [ __ ] percent his fault right like let's be honest it was 100 his fault but it is still it still sucks to just get one tapped like that i got toxic bunked yeah jesus now while i like the overall design concept of the lake of calandra in addition to being unrewarding it doesn't really introduce any new content either and the much wanted reveal of kalandra has amounted to a bird lady taunting us a bit while we fight monsters i had personally hoped for a bit more for calandra and a bit more new content out of this league mechanic now an expansion league mechanic releasing in an unrewarding state is not that big of a deal on the grand scheme of things it's only happening this has happened in the past and has been improved upon with patches following up but it does mean that in the current state of affairs players can't really fall back on new expansion hype when other things in the game are currently upsetting them exactly right because like a lot of people just there are many people who just skip the league mechanic like honestly i never did expedition league i i i got the atlas tree passive that like you never see them ah [ __ ] there it is uh you know uh blissfully ignorant and i have no idea about those and so people usually just skip the league mechanic if they don't like it but like never it's imposed on you and you have arc nemesis yeah heist is another one like i do heist once once a week i'll do all the high stuff i'll get like 3x out of it and i'll never do it again and i'll always tell myself oh this is really fun i should do this more i never do it again because it sucks and uh anyway the the thing is with with all the uh the different league mechanics and everything a lot of times you can just skip them and do the stuff that you like doing instead but because this arc nemesis again like arc nemesis like think of it as like all of the rare spawns in the game are like completely remodified and they're like a thousand times harder uh it affects everything in the game you can't get away from the changes so on to some of those other issues next up we have arch nemesis this is the system that was introduced last expansion to revamp rare monsters arch nemesis was initially in an expansion mechanic that allowed you to build a bear workshop your own rare monsters it featured a long long list of different modifiers you could stack on a monster to make them stronger and add mechanics to them designed to kill you in many unpleasant ways which by the way i want to say again i like a lot of the arc nemesis mods and i think that they are an improvement over the base rare spawn mobs i i think that they are an improvement at a fundamental level they are more interesting they are more visually appealing you can easily detect what they are without actually having to look at and read the text on the character they are a tremendous massive [ __ ] improvement and i can see why grinding gear games wanted to push arc nemesis to the next level but resistant life sacking sucks balls true it had a pretty middling reception as a expansion mechanic i like it while it could be pretty rewarding in terms of loot most of the arch nemesis modifiers were frustrating to deal with a topic i've talked at on length in the past in podcasts and such however to keep things brief here now we'll just say that these modifiers warped the gameplay around them quite a bit and frustrated players to a large dude because if all the rare spawns have this and the game has rare spawns everywhere then the entire game is now built around this system it's kind of like you know like in legion and wow it's like artifact power like that's how prevalent it is it's just it's a facet of every aspect of the game three thankfully they were contained only to arch nemesis build a monster mechanic which you could avoid if you wanted it came as a bit of a unpleasant surprise then when right after the arch nemesis experience and and i also want to say sorry i keep pausing whenever i say rares that's what they are referred to as but think of them as like elite mobs and you will probably encounter in a random map 20 to 30 of these rares attention so this new list of multipliers was added to every single rare monster in the game every single on top of that the rewards associated with these modifiers was removed so we had very frustrating monsters that we could not avoid in every moment of the game and they didn't drop any more loot than usual people are now patches were released to re-tune and remove some of the worst offenders of these arch nemesis modifiers but many players continued to feel that the game as a whole had got worse with this new revamp to rare monsters and it stayed this way for the rest of the league we only cut an intro this expansion its nemesis got a little bit better again you've still got two there are fewer rare monsters now so you have more space to deal with them and some unique and actually pretty decent rewards as if that matters whenever half of the on death mechanics are obscured with the other mechanics that are on death and then also the other spell effects and then the ground effects that are happening from the other npcs uh it doesn't really matter uh visual clarity i feel like should be one of the prime goals of path of exile too it's so bad it's slightly better now but it's still awful so we're added to some of the rare monsters as drops however for many players it still felt like all gameplay and path of exile is being warped around these arch nemesis modifiers i think this contributes to the current levels of unhappiness because it feels a bit like while arch nemesis is gradually being patched into a better and better state is still fundamentally unfun and unavoidably so i think that arc nemesis is not fundamentally unfun i think what's fundamentally unfun is fighting an arc nemesis mob and then nine times out of ten getting nothing out of it i think that's what's fundamentally unfun not the gameplay for myself personally it's frustrating because i actually like path of exile having fewer stronger rare monsters that give out good rewards yeah which is the intended intention of arch nemesis that's the way it uses this design is achieving that goal in a very unpleasant way right i could discuss the problems with arch nemesis design and better ways to achieve these goals all day but for the sake of expediency we'll leave it there for now next up another big reveal with this expansion was the long-awaited rework of an older league mechanic harvest they as you can see here um there was a spelling error uh revamped uh this vamp tier is supposed to be moved uh removed content harvest apparently somebody at the office just messed up harvest was a system of very powerful and rewarding item crafting that was fairly frustrating to deal with and couldn't easily be traded between players you had to engage in risky trust-based trading often using third-party discord groups to arrange these trades it was also like i hated getting harvest in my maps but i knew that it was so good that i couldn't skip it because like were you guys like the only ones like you do your like your map would be ten minutes and seven minutes would be harvest and three minutes would be the rest of the map i hated that so like i actually think the currency system for harvest is a genuine improvement i just think the tuning for it is garbage it breaks the gameplay yeah you [ __ ] around with it you spend more time doing that than the map the new rework promised to make harvest crafting mechanic fully tradable and potentially make it a lot nicer to engage with overall yeah people were hyped for this announcement as the harvest crafting system was loved by many but it has been steadily nerfed over time to the point where many gave up on it entirely i think that some of the nerfs to the harvest crafting were probably good for the game overall because harvest crafting was so strong that the entire game was warped around it but i think that like again it's like the top 10 percent offenders were bad but the other 90 were totally fine and also like for very casual players harvest was great because like harvest would let you like for example you need a lot of resistances right so if you have like capped out lightning resistance but like over capped like you you only need 75 or something and you have 110 well you can convert part of that lightning to fire on a certain piece of gear or or to cold resistance for example like this is why harvest was amazing for casual players and i think that also like poe in general like a lot of the problems that this is like running into is that it's designing the game around throttling the top point one percent players i think that's what's happening here is like the the top point one percent players are being throttled but i think that there's also a lot of casual players that are being uh damaged as well finally harvest was getting some love yeah the implementation for exciting expectations unfortunately of the biggest skeptics in the community yeah the volume of crafting you are able to do after the revamp is heavily reduced to a tiny fraction of what you could do previously and on top of that many of the useful and powerful crafting options were removed it was only stated previously that fluff and unnecessary crafting options would be removed but options that allowed players to re-roll affix ranges known as harvest divining and options such as reforged suffixes and prefixes were also removed i love not only that the most common and entry-level crafting option reforge a rare item with a guarantee that's like what the thing is like that's the really good stuff right because like let's say you get an item and the item has like a really great role it has like a ton of life but it has horrible resistances well you can make a good you can make a bad item good you can make like how many times have you guys gotten something and it's like a perfect [ __ ] roll on like two stats but then everything else is garbage harvest allowed you to turn bad stuff into good stuff and it made the game more dynamic because of that i've had that happen many times personally it's specific modifier type was nerfed as well in an easy to miss way it used to be two versions of this craft and the stronger version was removed leaving only the weaker one this is easy to miss as the two were similarly worded if i've lost you suffice to say that was hyped to be a really nice set of improvements to an older beloved crafting system yeah turned out instead to be a very very heavy-handed set of nerfs instead similarly then was the other revealed improvements to an older mechanic beyond was a very old expansion mechanic that spawned demons from beyond as you killed monsters like that to update this system a newer league scourge was recycled the much cooler and much more modern scourge monsters would replace the very dated beyond monsters not only that but the scourge monsters would be bringing their unique drops with them very exciting as tainted jewelers and fusings in particular were very useful for easily improving the sockets and links on corrupted items these tainted currencies would randomly add or remove a socket or link resulting in a very reliable way of creating corrupted six link items for those out of the loop this means salvaging otherwise unusable items and allowing players another accessible route to get their required slots for their primary skills six link item is like turning 21 being able to drink or turning 18 or like being it gets like getting your driver's license something like that it's like boom we're ready to go like that's like that's like your build like your build is designed around the six link so like you are realizing your build and getting your six links so like if that's so important like in in my mind i think a new player should be able to get six links within like a week personally people it was said that these would be reduced in effectiveness and quantity available but players were disappointed to learn that these tainted fusings went from what seemed to be somewhere around 50 50 odds of adding or removing a link or socket to something closer to a 10 chance to add and 90 chance to remove a huge nerf to be sure making these currencies quite useless outside of some live shots so in total this is several smaller disappointments in a row this expansion not enough to get everyone fired up but certainly affecting many players unfortunately there was something much bigger and much more fundamental brewing as well it initially started as scattered reports of is anyone else getting less loot than usual easy to write this sort of thing off because such claims are made every new wipe as people reacclimate to a fresh start however the evidence kept mounting with people opening empty currency lock boxes and it got to the point where even top farming players and groups started posting their abysmal loot compared to previous expansions something seems and it's also like the thing is it was not always like i actually don't think that it's super good for the game what empyrean does i i don't think it's super good for the game i mean like he gonna do it and that's a badass and i love watching it but like it's not super good to have people printing currency like that because it's just bad for the economy however um there are ways to address that without [ __ ] killing everybody else's loot chances to be fundamentally broken and many of us expected something was bugged especially since during the reveal it was mentioned that we should get excited about magic finding again a loot finding strategy that was seemingly people do get excited about magic finding because they now have to get excited about finding magic items buffed there was nothing in the patch notes so speculations continued while we waited for word from the developments on what was causing this seeming bug and that brings us to yesterday's news post what we're working on this post promised some very measured and marginal improvements to arch nemesis monster difficulty a small buff to the amount of crafts available from harvest and an unspecified buff to the reward level of lake of calandra's rewards that was also a problem i i think with the arc nemesis and not nerfing the uh the the red map ones because like furniture doesn't know like so like red maps have more extreme modifiers like you will roll just on average way more extreme modifiers on red maps than you will on like on on yellow or white maps so like you have a multiplier that's happening there you have like the multiplier of like higher map mods on top of the multiplier of these like [ __ ] you know capstone in pcs that have like 700 lightning resistance or something it's nuts is this so bad that people are quitting after three days yeah i think it is some people are quitting because they're hoping that the league is gonna get better some people are quitting because like they feel like their time's not being uh they're not investing their time in something that is enjoyable like beating a target dummy for three minutes that can kill you if you get unlucky to get nothing doesn't feel good to be clear all of these are good things but they felt very conservative given the level of frustration that players were feeling at these problems absolutely yeah and yeah i mean the thing is also with poe it's not like by the way it's not like oh if everybody gets all this loot then everybody's going to get everything beat the game like what you have to understand is like so look so like this is like the diablo three loop curve okay right this is a diablo three loop curve and this is like you know ancient right here uh this is primal ancient right here this is the poe loop curve and and by the way it keeps going it keeps going like three monitors up like there is so much that you can do to make your gear better and better and better it's like your uh it's like you're like exploring the inside of an atom and it's like you you [ __ ] realize that there's something inside of that and there's something inside of that and it's like wait a second you can get like tailwind on your boots if you have like this craft from like this special orb and like wait what the [ __ ] like oh so you need synthesized items and then you can get an implicit modifier that will increase the amount of endurance charges you oh my god right it's like it it's infinitely complex so it's i don't want anybody to think like oh well if they get the gear they're gonna quit no this ski this game has like infinite gear plus one all red boys yeah there you go all red gems and the proposed fixes only tackled some parts of the problems right for example the removal and nerfs to harvest crafts that are available was not addressed at all only the volume of fuel players would get to use their remaining decimated crafting options the biggest part of all however was the response to questions about all the seemingly missing loot drops in particular the following line came as a huge surprise we removed a massive historic bonus to item quantity and or rarity that applied to some league specific monsters we fixed we replaced it with a moderate two to three times increased to item quantity to offset the fact that these often have more life so milton will just go to work and he won't get paid and we found these things just kind of work themselves out naturally no effort here on your end you're good than regular monsters and some cannot drop maps what this means is that monsters from expansion league mechanics all had massive bonuses to item quantity and rarity as quoted likely something like a thousand percent or more we can only really make educated guesses figures this hidden scaling to loot drops was removed and replaced with a two to three times multiplied to quantity only while we don't know the exact numbers this means that loot quantity was lowered by an estimated fifty to eighty percent from the monsters that tend to drop most of the loot in game maps and the bonuses to rarity which primarily affects dropping rare and unique items seems to have been axed completely i feel like we need a bit more context to what happened here exactly from ggg's side of things but this certainly explains the effect players have been noticing on their loot drops yes and this affects pretty much everyone from a new players just starting out in endgame maps to the veteran magic finding parties dumping hundreds of cash investments into each map the what we're working on post followed up this shocking revelation with some promised improvements such as it's like they they invest 150 uh [ __ ] uh chaos orbs into a map and they get 50 ks orbs out of the map does that sound like a good deal to you yeah skewing drops to have more higher level bases on average and some bug fixes for edge case issues however the proposed improvements once again feel very conservative compared to the perceived magnitude of the issues amongst the community this difference between the degree of changes proposed and the magnitude of issues as seen by the community feels a strong feeling of disconnect and helplessness along with a loss of trust and waning optimism for the future all of this is a very nasty i think a lot of people are very upset about this because obviously you know path of exile one is going to transition into path of exile too it's not like path of exile 2 is going to come out and it's like halo 1 and halo 2. it's going to be a they're they're clearly going to be using it's like there's different people designing poe 2. it's the same leadership doing it so like if this game is problematic then what's going to happen with poe 2 it's like overwatch too yeah exactly recipe for a very unhappy community this definitely took the wind out of my this one they're motivated what's the point of playing soft-core trade if you can't juice he's talking about empyrean's group again what's the point of playing ssf if you can't craft gear i don't know what to do we'll likely be getting the first of the proposed improvements in a patch today and over the coming days hopefully these scale up to some much larger improvements because right now to say that a large amount of players are frustrated with the current response from grinding gear games is an understatement i will say this while it is important to get your thoughts out there in the hopes that the person who's like i i i'm not like as in the peewee community as as these guys are right like i'm not like but i keep up with it a lot i have never seen this much drama and this many people upset about anything in the game ever before game that we all love is improved it's okay and sometimes even a good idea to disengage from the game and the community afterwards if you're not getting from the game what you want to be getting from it that's true or if your mental health is being affected by being immersed in the negativity as warranted as it may be look after yourselves exiles and be kind to each other especially during times of high frustration like this don't give yourself a mental illness over a video game i hope this was a useful summary for some of you feeling a bit out of the loop that's it for now i'm zd and thanks for watching that's a pretty pretty i think it's probably the most fair video you could imagine i'm going to link it to you guys we're going to watch this rain's video then i'm going to go ahead and wrap everything up with my closing thoughts why am i up so late i uh i've just been uh [ __ ] staying up late that's why uh i shouldn't be up late but i wanted to do this because i uh i want to be able to play the league and um it's bad right now and i want it to be good so like maybe if i make a video and talk about it like maybe that would help like i don't know i got i want to be able to like i i want to be able to clear the maps and so yeah there it is uh did you watch empty's video i didn't watch i'll probably watch it off screen today but like i'm not gonna watch this tonight it will help yeah all right here we go let's go ahead and take a look at this second one here uh zezraine huge friend of the stream i've known this guy ever since he was pc child i've watched him for a very long time he's been a bit he's been a poe streamer uh for quite a while and uh met him multiple times at uh twitchcon etc so uh we're gonna go ahead and take a look at uh what he's got to say hi sister in here chris wilson has posted on reddit and it's a big wallet and i'm gonna read it there's quite a large jumping difficulty from the campaign to early maps as the number of our times this month so monsters arises abruptly this not only affects their it's not because of that it's because of the arc nemesis mobs with the multiplying factors like you have a [ __ ] legion elite that has arc nemesis modifiers so it's already doing 300 damage so whenever you take 300 percent and multiply it by 200 percent that's a lot more than like 100 percent multiplied by 200 percent that's why average difficulty but just how tanky they are we're going to taper up more smoothly so that it's more gradual progression and is unmodified in red maps this will result in less difficulty and less life on average for rare mobs below maps to prevent life values getting in a hand on special league monsters without nemesis mobs will also reduce the life bonus that each essence grants a rare monster and reduce a bonus that life red beasts have was a review with a betrayal count and is spawning too many rare monsters good i was really worried they weren't going to touch on this good thank you harvest players have commented that the quantity of life forest yielded by sac grove is too low to how much the craft cost harvest yield currently scales up to around 10 times higher by the time you're in high maps with atlas 3 specialization rewarding 10 times 0 is still zero harvest still sucks and then also like the harvest mob so like we have to understand it's like a lot of the mobs are added into the league content some of them are just like ridiculously overpowered and one of the hardest mob base types are like the catawba heralds they're like the big guys that are almost like massive [ __ ] bodybuilders except for their demons from the the uh the [ __ ] astral plane and they can jump on top of you and shoot fire [ __ ] at you and they can kill you so [ __ ] fast and yeah porcupine that's another one yeah and so uh these mobs like they are one of the harvesting pcs you can get so they're already ridiculously [ __ ] strong so harvest mobs are already hard to kill and then you add on the arc nemesis modifiers now you've just got yourself a [ __ ] and ass you've got yourself a four minute fight to get nothing for running higher maps rolling your maps well and specializing in harvest we will rebalance the yield at lower amounts of at least more rewarding early on without affecting its yield at higher tiers it's still terrible at higher tiers though exactly what do you mean that's so bad it's terrible have you not been in red maps players also noticed that occasionally a harvesting country can result in no life force dropping this was because in an effort to reduce the number of clicks the life burst from beasts below tier 3 had a non-guaranteed chance to drop but was larger on average than it otherwise would be this means they could occasionally yet unlucky and receive none for that encounter where racing the towns of life was dropping so it's less likely to receive none at all while striving not to increase it why is there ever even a chance that you don't get anything why why like was it was it gonna is it gonna break the game if somebody's able to get it every time an enjoyable amount lake of calundra we are increasing the rewards from both league and not only encounters throughout the league ellie particularly at higher map levels and higher difficulties we will raise the occurrence rate of regular not ethereal reflecting myths that they get more choices of reflected rare jewelry as a reward for playing harder encounters we're also investigating some lake of calendar ql like marking which rooms are completed on the map nice okay i just think that the layout of uh the calondra is is is [ __ ] i i think having to if you ever have to backtrack i'm mad even it's for five seconds i'm mad i'm already mad i'm wasting time now i've gotta backtrack [ __ ] great general item drops players report that general iron ropes feel a lot lower in the expansion there are two changes made in 3.19 the first is the rate of encountering rare monsters from certainly the incumbent has been reduced they are fighting killing receiving wars from fewer monsters than before yes this is partially offset by rare monsters now being more rewarding the second reason is that we removed a massive historic bonus to quantity and rarity applied to some league specific monsters we replaced it with a moderate increased item quantity to offset the fact that they have often more life than regular monsters there have been no other rewards reward affecting changes that we are aware of but we will investigate to see if there are any unanticipated consequences of some other changes our intentions with intention with these changes is to modify certain lead content that was out of line with other content does the similar reward profile these changes are important but we understand that reduced overall rewards the players receive we are going to compensate elsewhere but we don't want to just increase the raw number of items that are dropped most items are immediately filtered out yeah we want to increase the number of relevant items that drop good first we are going to adjust the system that's used weapon armor bases towards the higher level ones so that players find items that are relevant to their level more often this isn't an increase to overall iron drops it'll just mean that you'll find more appropriate rare items second we're going to play the same consolidation approach we had to act bosses to map bosses that sounds awesome because that was noticeable the last one they did this will result in you finding more unique items from my bosses it's worth i think that like thematically the map bosses should be the goal like you should be excited whenever you kill the map boss because you're hoping that the cool thing from the map boss drops like there are a handful of these right you can get like the first one comes to mind is uh the brass dome that drops from minotaur right brass dome is a really expensive chess piece it makes it to where you move slow and i think you take more electricity damage or some [ __ ] but you can't be crit you've got like nine million or so i think it's actually six thousand armor uh it's global drop now oh okay well then never mind yeah it so so then the one cool example uh it's it yeah they got rid of that one so i don't have any examples why theoretically noting that a widely shared clip of a player opening is receiving no items has caused some concern we believe this was close by the change where common currency drops less frequency but on larger stacks um we will fix this specific erroneous strongbox issue these changes are not final but we want to communicate our current thoughts immediately rather than wait i mean this is good right they communicate right after the weekend i think most of the problems are fixable this is going to come down to how good is the lake of calendar fix this and this is terrible this is awful it's a harvest i'm just it's also a base game is still bad we need more currency like i just think players need more currency on a base level the thing is the game requires a certain amount of currency in order to be played especially in terms of like just going through your maps like you want to roll different maps you want to give people the ability to get different maps etc and that requires chaos that requires orbs of chance it requires uh like guys i'm i'm having to [ __ ] piecemeal out alchemy orbs i i feel like by the time i kill catawba the first time it's like if i get a good item i just alken it's not a big deal now it's like ah you know i mean like oh well it's a a bone helmet but it's not 84 item levels so i don't know if we should out this one or not i don't have a essence to craft like that yeah i mean let's just render it it's nuts keeping it removed the arsenic stuff i mean this i just have no idea hopefully this fixes it this is addressing the problem i have with it but at this point they just remove harvest either walk harvest back or get rid of it no wow it's like this is the problem with the rares right it's like so like let's say before you had 10 rares and each of them had you know 100 drop table right well if you take out nine of the rares and there's only one rare left and it drops 200 percent loot you're still losing 800 percent even though the one rare drops more than the one rare did before in total you are losing a lot of [ __ ] loot and that's ps a minus eight yeah they learned from diablo immortal but it was the wrong lesson this is so yeah we have to have that we want plus 800 percent chris not minus 800 percent this is a maybe it's like a a communication thing right it's a different game don't lock it back there is way better than the old one there is nothing worse than having to craft when you find a harvest like i love the neon like it should just drop five to ten times more than what it's currently dropping like i just need life force to drop each plot should drop a minimum amount that is enough for two minecraft i agree absolutely i think okay but if i want five blue and a strength item but that should be rare what do you mean it shouldn't be easy to get five blue on the strength item that's a good thing anyway uh i gave this stuff it is a good thing but like the way that you do it is like the thing is if you knew how to craft you could get five blue on a strength item and it'd be no big deal it'd be no big deal like if you knew how to craft you knew how to modify it you knew what to go with with the bass you knew what the harvest crafts that you could swap the color co the color codes for you you could do it and i think that's great the fact that like with a very high level of knowledge you can take a task that is easy sorry a task that is hard and make it approachable and i would not say easy but accessible and and you don't do that by being good at the game you do that with knowledge four out of ten five out of ten it just depends what they end up doing and how much it fixes things i'm very sad about the harvesting yes i [ __ ] hate the league mechanic i literally i don't hate it i i okay i haven't stopped doing it but i've stopped doing it i'm probably doing what most of you guys are doing saving this is what i'm doing right now i'm just saving up mirror tablets because why the [ __ ] would i run it right now yeah i'm just posting everybody knows it's gonna go so hopefully hopefully this makes it worth doing general item drops are pretty low i'm not even gonna run it after the buffs i'm gonna wait until other people run it i'm gonna let them be the [ __ ] guinea pig and then i'm gonna be like okay yeah all right maybe i'll run mine and like the imperium stuff and quantity stuff seems straight up bugged and that isn't really addressed here i'm pretty sure i had two or three arcanist boxes last thing that had nothing in them i don't feel like this was the biggest problem i think i just think loot in general there's a bit [ __ ] i got plagued for saying this but two or three years ago some of you might remember that i said that because reddit has become more and more toxic with personal attacks and stuff like that they were going to stop communicating with us and like communication has changed so much reddit scared by the way no doubt oh yeah i mean bex doesn't talk to us i told them to [ __ ] rain that [ __ ] in remember like y'all can go back two years ago i said to rain this [ __ ] in because some of the people they just they take it too far like it's like i think criticism and feedback and even being a dick with your feedback is like that's not good but okay this guy's a dick but people people just go too far like and it never it never gets rained in i think that's what the problem is it's like like especially i remember like with uh like like the empyrean thing like empyreans made some like dumb [ __ ] comparison about like people in africa or like some starving african kid or something like that about how life wasn't fair and like people were just in the comments like insulting this guy on like a personal level meanwhile this is a dude that plays video games for a living like what do you think you think he wants kids to starve in africa do you think that like what the [ __ ] like it's not a big deal like it's like that it's so disproportionate and it's so like maladjusted that you just can't have people like that that dictate the dialogue because if you do you're just never going to get anything done you can't let that happen more the same way there is so many like like not not everything is bad like obviously like criticism is great and they're like a lot of people it's not about being too aggro it's about making things personal i think that you can be super aggro but don't make things personal that's the difference i think that it's just it's so simple for anybody who's who knows what the sun looks like if you know what grass feels like you know what the sun looks like you know what the difference is we don't need to go over this i like crying when there's any criticism and that's not what i'm talking about no but there are so many comments i mean thankfully very often they're down voted and stuff but you will like if you sift through the comments before the months delete them you'll see like literally people saying like oh i hope the developers [ __ ] die and like really least same comments like that so when you're like seeing stuff like that it's like bro like they do get deleted but like there's there's some like insane comments unhinged comments how many people had lasting is their favorite league ever because it was for me so i think that makes this be such a stark comparison maybe i missed it because i feel like i was running and they just chopped up off my leg and now i'm like i'm wading through [ __ ] right now i love the in the middle and i was like the analogies i think it's just the fact that i'm getting pissed on from so many different angles it's not just another metaphor it's not just one stream angle of piss it's like i have like no [ __ ] items i'm struggling so hard for gear yeah like i actually have okay-ish gear now but it's taking a lot and the fact that like the league mechanic is unenjoyable the air is really hard i don't know it's it's rough anyway we'll end the video there blame me or whatever in the comments i don't know if i had a bad or a good take that's just how i feel thanks for watching sub if you liked the video but more importantly try to die less than i do i think that was fair i mean like again i i i feel like also like there's no real reason to allow people that are vitriolic on a personal level to be part of the community it's it's bad it also uh like if you you know give them an inch they take a mile like the moment that you start letting people do that then they just keep going but i mean i'm not gonna go around and and [ __ ] like yeah there are people on the poe reddit and in the poe community that are dicks that's the same with every community it's the same in my community it's the same on twitch it's the same on youtube it's the same and wow it's the same in diablo it's the same in every [ __ ] game it is what it is and you just have to deal with it however the the [ __ ] people on reddit did not nerf the loot drops the the [ __ ] company did that the company did that and so that's what really the focus is like i don't like i am a huge supporter of poe i've been a huge supporter of poe for um i think probably at this point over 10 years like if i had to guess ever since the closed beta and the fact is that i think that poe does respond to a lot of criticism and they are one of the more in tune development studios with their community that's why i think a lot of these changes come at such a surprise because people are like what the [ __ ] why is this happening this isn't what we're used to and the fact is that path of exile is in my opinion the best arpg on the market and there is no other game that even comes remotely close now if you like super simple games you're going to enjoy diablo 3 maybe a bit more i think that's totally okay but for people that are are hardcore players path of exile is their [ __ ] game and that's why i want to i want to see this [ __ ] get fixed i've watched the poe 2 footage and i'm excited for that [ __ ] game and i want to continue being excited for the game i understand that it is better and i think that there is value in slowing down the maps a little bit more you know yes maybe somebody should not be clearing three different screens in front of them with like the explodey chest i thought the exploding chest nerf i love the exploding chest okay i thought it was [ __ ] amazing however i saw i saw why they nerfed it i think it was probably a good idea to nerf it because every build was built around it like if there's ever a an item that everybody has to get the same item then you need to change that [ __ ] item or figure out why it's fun and then implement it in a way that it doesn't remove a choice out of the game however that does not necessarily mean that every single thing that they did do is good i think that in a lot of ways they do make the right decisions and i think that like for example itemizing the calendra maps proactively because it took them years to do that with the alva missions and then they proactively did that with the colander maps that's one of the big things i thought i saw that and i was like oh man this league's going to be really good they've really thought this thing out apparently that's not what happened however it's what i think still can happen and the fact is that people have played this game forever um they're going to keep playing it people might play diablo 3 for a few days they're gonna hit the plateau like everybody else does and then they're gonna probably go back to poe because it just has way more depth and so we need to make this game better like it needs to get better and i think that all these people that aren't happy are not just crying on reddit i think that they are being legitimate i think that they do care whenever you see people that play the game professionally one after another people that love the [ __ ] game just completely just demoralized done something needs to change that's it so that's the way i feel 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