JONI LAMB: WELL, HAS LIFE THROWN
SOME HARD SEASONS AT YOU? TIM TIMBERLAKE SHARES HOW YOU
CAN BREAK FREE FROM PAST PAIN, LOSS, AND DISILLUSIONMENT TO
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YOU EXPERIENCED LOSS, PERHAPS OF A LOVED
ONE, OF A DREAM, OF A RELATIONSHIP, OR MAYBE A LOSS OF PLAN,
SECURITY OR BELIEFS. THE REALITY IS
THAT IN THIS LIFE, WE ALL FACE
DISILLUSIONMENT AND GRIEVE THE LOSSES, PARTICULARLY THOSE
WE NEVER EXPECTED. SO, HOW DO WE DEAL WITH
THE HARD QUESTIONS THAT COME ALONG WITH THIS? WELL, WITH THE HELP
OF TODAY'S GUEST, WE'RE GONNA FIND OUT. BUT, FIRST, JOINING
ME AROUND THE TABLE IS DEHAVILLAND FORD. HOW ARE YOU? DEHAVILLAND:
I AM SO GOOD. YOU KNOW, AT SOME
POINT IN OUR LIVES, WE'LL EXPERIENCE LOSS. AND IT'S SO IMPORTANT
THAT WHEN WE DO, WE KNOW HOW TO
MOVE FORWARD INTO WHAT GOD HAS. SO I CAN'T WAIT TO HEAR
THIS NEXT GUEST TODAY. JONI: THAT'S GOOD.
THAT'S GOOD. MY TWO BEAUTIFUL
DAUGHTERS, STARTING WITH
REBECCA LAMB WEISS. HOW ARE YOU? REBECCA:
I'M DOING GOOD. LOSS IS SO HARD. JONI: IT IS. REBECCA: YOU KNOW,
ONCE YOU LOSE SOMEONE, THEY CAN'T BE REPLACED. SO YOU HAVE TO LEARN HOW TO TRANSITION
INTO THE NEXT SEASON. JONI: YEAH. OUR GUEST HAS A LOT OF GOOD
ONE-LINERS FROM HIS BOOK ON ALL OF THAT, SO YOU ALL ARE GONNA
WANT TO HEAR THIS, IT IS SO GOOD. RACHEL LAMB BROWN,
HOW ARE YOU? RACHEL: I'M GOOD. AND THIS SUBJECT IS
CLOSE TO MY HEART WITH JUST LOSING DAD. I'M SO GRATEFUL FOR
THE HOPE OF ETERNITY, KNOWING THAT WE GET TO
SEE OUR LOVED ONES AGAIN. BUT I HOPE I DON'T CRY BECAUSE ANYTIME WE TALK ABOUT
THIS IT'S STILL FRESH. JONI: IT'S
OKAY IF YOU DO. THERE ARE A LOT OF YOU, YOU CAN UNDERSTAND AND
FEEL THE PAIN OF WHAT WE'RE TALKING ABOUT, BECAUSE WE'VE
ALL LOST SOMEONE. I'VE LOST MY FATHER, I'VE LOST MY BROTHER,
AND LOST MY HUSBAND. SO WE KIND OF, YOU KNOW, ALL OF US ARE
GOING TO LOSE, AND ESPECIALLY AS
WE GET OLDER. CINDY JOHNSTON, YOU SEE
LIKE PEOPLE THAT YOU REVERED AND LOVED THAT
WERE OLDER THAN YOU THAT HAVE NOW GONE ON
TO BE WITH THE LORD. I KNOW YOU'VE GOT
PEOPLE IN YOUR LIFE, I DO AS WELL, AND YOU'RE LIKE, WOW,
THIS IS A PATTERN AND ONE DAY WE'RE
GOING TO DIE AND WE HAVE TO
TALK ABOUT THAT. CINDY: YES,
AND IT IS HARD. AND I THINK THE
OLDER THAT YOU GET, THE MORE PEOPLE THAT YOU
SEE THAT GO TO HEAVEN. IT'S JUST TOUGH. IT'S TOUGH TO THINK
OF LIFE WITHOUT THEM. JONI: THAT'S RIGHT. KENDRA, THE MAIN THING WE
WANT TO ACCOMPLISH ON THE TABLE, IS WE WANT TO MAKE SURE
PEOPLE ARE READY TO DIE. KENDRA: ABSOLUTELY. JONI: AND READY
TO MEET THE LORD BECAUSE ETERNITY
IS FOREVER. KENDRA: IT IS FOREVER. AND IT'S SO
IMPORTANT FOR US TO EXPRESS OUR
FEELINGS TO GOD. LIKE, HE CREATED US AND HE WANTS US TO BE
HONEST AND RAW WITH HIM, AND TO TAKE OUR MOURNING
AND OUR DISAPPOINTMENT AND FRUSTRATION TO HIM. BECAUSE WHEN WE DO
THAT, THEN HE HEALS US. THEN HE ENCOURAGES
US AND LOVES ON US. AND LIKE RACHEL SAID, THAT'S A HOPE
THAT WE GET THAT WE'RE GONNA
SEE THEM AGAIN. THEY'RE JUST NOT
WITH US RIGHT HERE LIKE WE REALLY
WANT THEM TO BE. BUT WE WILL BE
WITH THEM AGAIN. JONI: THAT'S RIGHT.
THAT'S RIGHT. AND WE'LL ALL
HAVE NEW BODIES. KENDRA: AMEN.
JONI: BE ABLE TO
EAT ANYTHING WE WANT. [ LAUGHTER ] JONI: WELL, HE IS THE
GLOBAL SENIOR PASTOR OF CELEBRATION CHURCH, AND HE IS EQUIPPING
THE BODY OF CHRIST TO FACE THE DIFFICULT
CHALLENGES OF LIFE AND OVERCOME THEM. PLEASE WELCOME
OUR DEAR FRIEND, PASTOR TIM TIMBERLAKE. ♪♪♪ RACHEL: WOW. TIM: HEY, LADIES. JONI: GOT
SOME GOOD MUSIC. TIM: PEP IN MY STEP. [ LAUGHTER ] JONI: LISTEN, WITH
YOUR HAIRDO WE HAD TO DO
THAT MUSIC, RIGHT? TIM: JUST KINDA GOING
WITH THE FLOW. JONI: I LOVE YOUR
HAIRDO, BY THE WAY. TIM: THANK YOU. JONI: ALL RIGHT.
WELL, WE ALL FACE SEASONS WHEN LIFE DOESN'T TURN OUT
THE WAY WE THOUGHT IT WOULD AND OFTENTIMES THAT CAN
LEAVE US GRIEVED AND DISILLUSIONED. SO HOW DO WE OVERCOME
THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES TO BREAK THROUGH TO
WHAT GOD HAS FOR US ON THE OTHER SIDE? AND THUS YOUR BOOK, THE ART OF OVERCOMING. NOT JUST THE LOSS
OF A LOVED ONE, BUT THE LOSS OF
OTHER THINGS IN LIFE. BECAUSE WE HAVE LOSSES
EVERY DAY THAT CAN HAPPEN IN OUR LIFE. AND A LOT OF TIMES
WE'RE NOT EXPECTING IT, AND THAT'S WHERE THE
TROUBLE COMES IN. TIM: YEAH. I THINK IT'S WHEN
WE ARE DEALT A HAND WE NEVER INTENDED ON
REALLY PLAYING WITH IN THIS LIFE THAT WE HAVE THE
OPPORTUNITY TO SAY, OKAY, I DON'T KNOW WHAT
IN THE WORLD TO DO, BUT I HAVE TO
DISCOVER, FIND, DEVELOP A RELATIONSHIP WITH
SOMEONE THAT DOES, AND THAT PERSON
IS JESUS CHRIST. AND THROUGH THESE
DIFFERENT LOSSES THAT WE FACE EVERY SINGLE DAY, WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY
TO EITHER MOVE FORWARD IN FAITH, OR WE CAN SETTLE
IN COMFORT. AND I JUST REFUSE TO
SETTLE IN COMFORT. JONI: WELL, LET'S
GO BACK A LITTLE BIT FOR THOSE THAT DON'T
KNOW YOUR STORY. WE WON'T TELL
THE WHOLE STORY, BUT AT 18, SOMETHING
TRAUMATIC HAPPENED TO YOU. YOU WERE RAISED IN
A CHRISTIAN HOME. TIM: YEAH. JONI: BUT YOU WERE
KIND OF LIVING YOUR LIFE ON YOUR MOM AND DAD'S
RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD. TIM: ABSOLUTELY. SO MY FATHER WAS
DIAGNOSED WITH TERMINAL STAGE FOUR CANCER
WHEN I WAS 12 AND WAS GIVEN
THREE WEEKS TO LIVE. THE DOCTORS OFFERED HIM
AN EXPERIMENTAL SURGERY. HE OPTED FOR IT, THEY TOLD HIM THE CHANCES
FOR SURVIVAL WERE VERY SLIM, BUT THERE WAS A CHANCE. IT WAS BETTER
THAN THREE WEEKS. HE OPTED FOR IT
AND THEY CUT HIM FROM THE BACK OF ONE EAR TO THE
BACK OF THE OTHER EAR. THEY OPENED UP
HIS THROAT, THEY REMOVED A
TUMOR FROM HIS NECK THE SIZE OF A CHIPMUNK. WHEN THEY DID THAT, THEY REMOVED A
QUARTER OF HIS TONGUE. SO HE WAS NO LONGER ABLE
TO EAT, DRINK OR SWALLOW. HE WAS FED THROUGH
A G-TUBE FOR THE REMAINDER OF HIS LIFE,
WHICH WAS FIVE YEARS. AND SO I SAW MY
FATHER, MY HERO, JUST KIND OF BECOME
A SHELL OF HIMSELF. AND MY PERSPECTIVE
OF GOD WAS JUST COMPLETELY FLIPPED
UPSIDE DOWN. AND I REALLY GOT TO
A PLACE IN MY LIFE WHERE I WAS LIKE, MAN,
IF THIS IS MY HERO, THIS HAPPENS TO HIM, WHAT IN THE WORLD
COULD HAPPEN TO ME? AND I JUST BEGAN
TO LIVE A LIFE THAT WAS OPPOSITE OF WHAT
MY PARENTS HAD TAUGHT ME. AND I WAS JUST IN
STRAIGHT REBELLION MODE. AND ANYTHING I COULD DO TO
TRY TO GET BACK AT GOD, I DID IT. JONI: HOW DID THAT
WORK OUT FOR YOU? TIM: IT DIDN'T
WORK OUT WELL. BECAUSE GOD GRABBED
AHOLD OF ME IN SUCH A
TANGIBLE, REAL WAY AND I KNOW THAT
PEOPLE WATCHING THIS, THAT, YOU KNOW, HAVE
DIFFERENT BACKGROUNDS AND DIFFERENT UPBRINGINGS AND FOR EACH PERSON
IT'S DIFFERENT, BUT GOD REVEALED
HIMSELF TO ME IN A VERY REAL
AND TANGIBLE WAY. RACHEL: WAS THAT
BEFORE YOUR DAD PASSED OR WAS IT AFTERWARDS? TIM: THIS WAS AFTER. AND SO I WAS IN MY
APARTMENT AT 18 YEARS OLD, AND I WENT TO SLEEP AND I
THOUGHT THAT I HAD WOKEN UP. AND I WAS STANDING
IN FRONT OF ALL THESE DIFFERENT PEOPLE. IT WAS KIND OF LIKE
THIS WEIRD DREAM, I HAD NEVER SEEN BEFORE. AND AS I REALIZED
ALL THESE PEOPLE WERE KIND OF IN
FRONT OF ME, I LOOKED DOWN
AT MY HANDS, AND I COULD SEE BLOOD
SMUDGED ON MY HANDS. THIS WAS THE FIRST TIME
I HEARD THE VOICE OF GOD SAY, THE LONGER YOU RUN FROM
WHAT I'VE CALLED YOU TO DO, THESE PEOPLE THAT YOU HAVE
THE OPPORTUNITY TO INFLUENCE WILL BE HELD TO
YOUR ACCOUNT. AND I WOKE UP IMMEDIATELY. AND I WAS SCARED
OUT OF MY MIND AND I CALLED MY MOM AT
3 O'CLOCK IN THE MORNING, AND I WAS TRYING
TO FORM WORDS AND TELL HER WHAT
WAS GOING ON. I THOUGHT SHE WAS GONNA BE
LIKE, BABY, THAT IS CRAZY. I TOLD HER AND
SHE STARTED LAUGHING. AND SHE SAID, THAT'S THE
EXACT DREAM YOUR FATHER HAD WHEN GOD CALLED HIM
IN THE MINISTRY. CINDY: WOW. TIM: AND FROM THAT
MOMENT FORWARD, IT WAS FORWARD ONLY. THERE WAS NO MORE
LOOKING BACK. THERE WAS NO MORE
QUESTIONING THE REALITY. SO ONE OF THE THINGS THAT
I'VE LEARNED ABOUT GOD AND MY RELATIONSHIP
WITH GOD, IS THAT GOD WILL
NEVER ADVANCE ME BEYOND MY LAST ACT
OF DISOBEDIENCE. SO WHENEVER I'M ASKING
GOD FOR SOMETHING, AND THERE'S DISOBEDIENCE
IN MY LIFE, GOD ALWAYS TAKES ME
BACK TO THE PLACE WHERE I DISOBEYED
HIM LAST AND SAYS THIS IS WHAT
YOU NEED TO GET RIGHT. THESE ARE THE THINGS
THAT YOU NEED TO FIX. KENDRA: THERE WAS
A MOMENT IN YOUR BOOK WHERE YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW
IN YOUR GRIEVING FOR YOUR DAD YOU DIDN'T REALIZE HOW SELF-CONSUMED
YOU WERE WITH IT, HOW SELFISH YOU
WERE, IF I MAY, ABOUT IT UNTIL YOU
SPOKE WITH YOUR MOM. TIM: YEAH. KENDRA: AND YOU GOT TO HEAR IT
FROM HER PERSPECTIVE. AND WHAT KIND OF - WHAT DID THAT
BRING TO YOU, WHAT DID SHE SAY AND HOW
DID THAT HELP YOU MOVE FORWARD OUT OF YOURSELF AND
OUT TO GRIEVING AS A FAMILY TOGETHER? TIM: YEAH, I THINK
OFTENTIMES WHEN WE GO THROUGH MOMENTS OF GRIEF, WHEN WE
GO MOMENTS OF HARDSHIP, WE ONLY THINK ABOUT
OURSELVES AND OUR PAIN. AND WE FORGET THAT THE
DEATH OR THE TRANSITION OR THE HURT OR THE PAIN HAS IMPACTED MORE
PEOPLE THAN JUST US. AND I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY
TO GO TO THE HOSPITAL WITH MY MOM AFTER THEY
DECLARED MY FATHER DEAD. AND TO SIT WITH HER
AND TO REALLY PROCESS WHAT I WAS FEELING, BUT THEN TO SEE HER AND
THE STRENGTH AND THE RESILIENCE THAT
SHE CARRIED AND JUST ASK HER,
WHAT ARE YOU FEELING? AND SHE SAID, I FEEL BLESSED
THAT I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO LIVE OUT MY LIFE, 52 YEARS HERE ON EARTH, BUT 30 SOME OF THOSE
YEARS WITH YOUR FATHER. RACHEL: OH, YOU MADE ME CRY. TIM: AND SHE GAVE ME
A PERSPECTIVE THAT DAY THAT I'VE HELD ONTO. SHE SAID, YOU KNOW,
ALTHOUGH HE'S NO LONGER HERE, AND ALTHOUGH WE CAN'T
SPEND TIME WITH HIM, WHEN I THINK ABOUT IT,
IT'S A CELEBRATION. I CELEBRATE THE FACT THAT
GOD BLESSED US WITH HIS LIFE THAT WE COULD LIVE
AND WALK OUT OUR LIFE WITH SUCH AN
INCREDIBLE FATHER, WITH SUCH AN
INCREDIBLE HUSBAND, WITH SUCH AN
INCREDIBLE MAN OF GOD. HIS PRIORITIES
WERE IN LINE. HE WASN'T A PASTOR FIRST. HE WAS A HUSBAND FIRST. THEN HE WAS A
FATHER FIRST. AND THEN HE CARRIED
OUT HIS ASSIGNMENT TO OTHER PEOPLE. AND ONE OF THE THINGS
THAT HE LIVED HIS LIFE BY THAT I LIVE MY LIFE BY, GOD AND MY FAMILY GET
THE BEST OF MY TIME. EVERYONE ELSE GETS
THE REST OF MY TIME. JONI: THAT'S GOOD. KENDRA: THAT'S SUCH A
GOOD WAY OF HONORING IN YOUR GRIEF. TIM: OH, MAN. IT JUST BRINGS THINGS BACK
TO A PLACE OF PRIORITY AND UNDERSTANDING,
OKAY, EVEN IN PAIN, GOD HAS A WAY OF GETTING
PURPOSE OUT OF IT. AND WHEN WE ALLOW HIM TO
GET PURPOSE OUT OF IT, THERE'S NO PAIN
THAT GOES WASTED. JONI: SO SPEAK TO THOSE PEOPLE
WHO ARE WATCHING RIGHT NOW THAT HAVE LOST
A LOVED ONE, AND THEY'VE BEEN GRIEVING
BUT WITHOUT HOPE. BECAUSE THAT WAS A KEY YOU
TALKED ABOUT IN THE BOOK, WE HAVE TO GRIEVE,
BUT WITH HOPE. TIM: THAT'S RIGHT. JONI: AND IF WE
DON'T HAVE THAT, WE'LL NEVER GET THROUGH
THE GRIEVING PROCESS. BUT IT IS A PROCESS. TIM: IT IS. JONI: YOU EVEN TALK
ABOUT THE STEPS WE GO TO, OR GO THROUGH
IN THAT PROCESS. TALK TO THAT
PERSON WATCHING AND TALK A LITTLE BIT
ABOUT THOSE STEPS, IF YOU WILL. TIM: YEAH. WE CAN'T CONTROL
WHAT HAPPENS TO US AND WE CAN'T CONTROL HOW
THINGS HAPPEN AROUND US, BUT WE CAN CONTROL
OUR RESPONSE TO IT. AND ONE OF THE THINGS
THAT I'VE LEARNED ABOUT LOSING PEOPLE
NEAR AND DEAR TO ME, IS THAT YOU NEVER
GET OVER IT, BUT YOU GROW
STRONGER THROUGH IT. JONI: YEAH. TIM: AND IT'S ONE
OF THOSE THINGS THAT YOU HAVE TO BE
VERY INTENTIONAL WITH. HERE'S WHY. CHANGE IS INEVITABLE BUT
GROWTH IS INTENTIONAL. AND WHEN YOU
PRIORITIZE GROWTH AND YOU UNDERSTAND
THAT YOU CAN GROW STRONGER THROUGH THIS, YOU KNOW THAT YOU CAN'T
GROW STRONGER BY YOURSELF. YOU NEED A SOURCE THAT
WILL GIVE YOU POWER WHEN YOU FEEL WEAK. AND FOR US, THAT
SOURCE IS JESUS CHRIST. AND WHEN YOU CONNECT
TO THE POWER SOURCE, WHEN YOUR BATTERY
GETS WEAK AND WHEN YOU FEEL LIKE
YOU'RE RUNNING OUT OF STEAM, HIS SUPERNATURAL
POWER KICKS IN. AND AS HE DID FOR ME, AS HE HAS DONE
FOR MY FAMILY, HE HAS A WAY OF
TAKING HIS HANDS AND WRAPPING THEM
AROUND YOUR HEART. AND GUARDING YOU
AND LIFTING YOU UP AND REMINDING YOU OF HIS
LOVE AND HIS TENDER MERCY IN TIMES WHERE YOU
NEED HIM THE MOST. AND WHEN YOU DO THAT, I KNOW HE WILL DO
THE SAME THING FOR YOU. JONI: WOULD YOU SAY THAT HAVING A RELATIONSHIP
WITH JESUS, IS IMPORTANT IN THE
GRIEVING PROCESS, AND WHAT ABOUT PEOPLE
WHO DON'T KNOW JESUS, HOW HARD IS IT GONNA BE
TO WALK THROUGH THAT? TIM: IT'S VERY HARD
TO WALK THROUGH GRIEF WITHOUT A HOPE IN JESUS. HOPE IN JESUS
TELLS US THAT WEEPING MAY ENDURE FOR A NIGHT BUT JOY COMES
IN THE MORNING. SOCIETY AND
CULTURE TEACHES US THAT THERE IS NO JOY, BUT YOU HAVE
HAPPY MOMENTS. HAPPINESS REVOLVES AROUND
THE HAPPY MEANINGS OF OUR LIFE. AND SO WHEN THINGS ARE
GOOD, WE FEEL GOOD. WHEN THINGS ARE BAD,
WE FEEL BAD. JOY IS DIFFERENT. THIS IS A SPIRIT
THAT IS CONSISTENT. IT DOES NOT WAVER BASED
UPON WHAT HAPPENS. IT'S A CONSTANT
REMINDER TO US THAT NO MATTER WHAT'S
GOING ON AROUND US, THERE'S A SAVIOR
AT WORK IN US THAT KEEPS US
MOVING FORWARD, EVEN IN THE
PROCESS OF GRIEF. AND SO FOR THOSE THAT
DON'T HAVE THAT, IT'S VERY DIFFICULT TO
STAY CONSISTENT WITH THAT HOPE AND PERSPECTIVE THAT
LIFE WILL GET BETTER. JONI: AND OF COURSE
THE WORD OF GOD SAYS THE JOY OF THE LORD TIM: IS MY STRENGTH. JONI: IS OUR STRENGTH. TIM: THAT'S RIGHT. JONI: SO FOR THOSE OF
YOU THAT ARE WATCHING, AND MAYBE YOU DON'T
KNOW THE LORD, WOULD YOU JUST TAKE A
MOMENT TO INTRODUCE HIM AND PRAY A PRAYER AND
LET'S GIVE THEM AN OPPORTUNITY TO PRAY. IT'S REALLY A
SIMPLE PRAYER THAT IS LIFE-CHANGING. TIM: ABSOLUTELY. AND ALTHOUGH SIMPLE, SOMETIMES WE DON'T
UNDERSTAND THE POWER IN IT. AND IT'S THROUGH THE
POWER OF KNOWING JESUS AND HAVING A
RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM THAT WE HAVE A LIFE AND
A LIFE WORTH LIVING. AND SO IF YOU'RE
WATCHING THIS AND YOU DESIRE TO KNOW
HIM IN A VERY PERSONAL AND REAL AND INTIMATE WAY, I JUST WANT YOU TO REPEAT
THIS PRAYER AFTER ME. LORD JESUS, ENTER
INTO MY HEART. I TURN AWAY
FROM WHO I WAS TO WALK INTO WHO YOU
DESIRE FOR ME TO BE. I ACKNOWLEDGE THAT
YOU ARE MY LORD, AND MY SAVIOR. AND I BELIEVE THAT
YOU HAVE SAVED ME, EVEN IF IT IS SAVING
ME FROM MYSELF. IN JESUS' NAME, AMEN. KENDRA: THAT
IS SO GOOD. YOU TALKED ABOUT HOW
DANGEROUS IT IS - I LOVE THAT LAST LINE, EVEN IF YOU'RE SAVING
ME FROM MYSELF. BUT YOU TALK ABOUT
IN YOUR BOOK, IT'S SO IMPORTANT TO HEAL, AND HOW DANGEROUS IS IT IF YOU
MOVE FORWARD IN THINGS WITHOUT TAKING
THAT TIME TO HEAL? TIM: IT'S SO IMPORTANT. IT REMINDS ME OF WHENEVER
WE ARE INJURED OR WOUNDED, WE MAY HAVE AN OPEN WOUND. BUT ONE OF THE
GREATEST INDICATIONS THAT HEALING HAS HAPPENED
IS TO SEE A SCAR. AND SO OFTEN WE TRY
TO COVER UP SCARS, BUT SCARS ARE PROOF THAT
WHAT TRIED TO KILL US DID NOT SUCCEED. IT'S ALSO PROOF THAT
WE RECEIVED TREATMENT. LAST WEEK, MY
WIFE CAME HOME AND SHE HAD TO GO TO THE
DOCTOR TO GIVE BLOOD. AND OUR SIX-YEAR-OLD
SON SAID, MOM, WHAT HAPPENED
TO YOUR ARM? YOU HAVE A WOUND THERE. SHE SAID, NO,
IT'S A SCAR NOW. YOU SEE, IT'S HEALED. AND SHE SHOWED HIM. AND HE SAID,
WHAT HAPPENED? SHE SAID I WAS
TREATED BY THE DOCTOR. I THINK SCARS ARE AN
INCREDIBLE TESTIMONY TO US THAT WE'VE BEEN TREATED
BY THE GREAT PHYSICIAN, THAT WHAT'S WOUNDED US DOESN'T HAVE
VICTORY OVER US. JONI: THAT'S SO GOOD. TIM: BUT GOD, HE ALLOWS
US TO HEAL FROM THOSE THINGS AND HAVE A TESTIMONY THAT
WE CAN POINT BACK TO. RACHEL: WHAT ARE
SOME OF THE STEPS TO ACHIEVE HEALING? BECAUSE I FEEL LIKE
SOMETIMES WHEN YOU'RE SO
OVERWHELMED WITH GRIEF, YOU JUST FEEL LIKE HOW AM
I EVER GONNA GET OUT OF THIS PAIN THAT
YOU'RE FEELING? TIM: I THINK THE
FIRST STEP IS ACCEPTING THAT WHAT HAPPENED TO
ME IS ACTUALLY REAL. BECAUSE OFTENTIMES WE ARE STUCK
IN A SEASON OF DENIAL. I CAN'T BELIEVE.
I CAN'T BELIEVE. BUT SAYING OKAY,
IT HAPPENED. WHERE DO I GO FROM HERE? AFTER ACCEPTANCE,
ACKNOWLEDGMENT. I DON'T HAVE THE
POWER OR THE ABILITY TO HEAL MYSELF. BUT THERE HAS TO BE
SOMEONE THAT CAN. THAT PERSON IS JESUS. AND SO ACKNOWLEDGING THAT. AND THEN THE THIRD THING
IS TAKING THE STEPS TO GET INTO A PLACE
WHERE MY SOUL IS HEALTHY AND MY SPIRIT IS HEALTHY. WHEN MY SOUL AND MY
SPIRIT GET HEALTHY, THEN MY BODY FOLLOWS. MY FATHER USED
TO TEACH ME WHEN HE WAS TEACHING ME
HOW TO WRESTLE, THE BODY FOLLOWS THE HEAD. IF EVER YOU WANT TO
TAKE THE BODY DOWN, WRESTLE THE HEAD DOWN. AND OUR SPIRIT
SHOULD LEAD OUR LIFE. IT SHOULD BE THE
HEAD OF OUR LIFE. AND IF OUR SPIRIT
IS MALNOURISHED, OUR SOUL IS MALNOURISHED. AND AS A RESULT,
OUR BODY FOLLOWS. AND SO WE HAVE TO MAKE
SURE WE FEED OUR SPIRIT, FEED OUR SOUL, SO THAT THIS FLESH
DOES NOT LEAD US. WHEN OUR FLESH LEADS US IT HAS A TENDENCY OF
LEADING US INTO OUR FEELINGS. AND WHEN WE ARE LED
BY OUR FEELINGS, IT LEADS US DOWN A PATH THAT ROBS US OF OUR
GOD-GIVEN DESTINY. DEHAVILLAND:
THAT'S SO POWERFUL. CAN YOU SPEAK TO PEOPLE, THAT MAYBE THEY HAVEN'T
LOST A LOVED ONE, BUT THEY'RE DEALING WITH
MAYBE LIKE THE DEATH OF A DREAM, A DEATH OF SOMETHING THEY
THOUGHT THEY SHOULD BE IN A PLACE WITH GOD BY
NOW AND THEY'RE NOT. HOW DO THEY MOVE FROM
THAT PLACE OF FEELING DISAPPOINTED
AND MOVE FORWARD? TIM: YEAH. THE THING ABOUT DEATH
THAT REMINDS US OF THE BEAUTY
OF THIS LIFE, IS THAT WE ARE
EXPERIENCING IT. WHICH IS AN INDICATION TO
US THAT WE'RE STILL ALIVE. WHICH MEANS IF THERE
HAS BEEN A DREAM OR A RELATIONSHIP THAT HAS
DIED OR TRANSITIONED, WE STILL HAVE
AN OPPORTUNITY TO MOVE FORWARD. WHENEVER YOU GO
TO A FUNERAL, IT'S A REMINDER THAT
THE PERSON YOU LOVED IS NO LONGER
HERE BUT YOU ARE. AND SO YOU HAVE TO CONTINUALLY
MOVE THINGS FORWARD IN THE MEMORY,
IN THE LEGACY, IN HONORING THEIR LIFE SO THAT WHEN PEOPLE
EXPERIENCE YOU, THEY GET AN OPPORTUNITY
TO SEE SOME OF THE SEEDS THAT THAT PERSON
HAS SOWED IN YOU. YOUR DREAMS, YOUR
RELATIONSHIPS, YOUR ASPIRATIONS, THAT ARE NO LONGER
IN THIS SEASON ARE THE SAME WAY. THEY'VE LEFT SEEDS
OF GREATNESS IN US AND WE HAVE THE OPPORTUNITY
TO TAKE THOSE SEEDS AND STEWARD THEM UNTIL
THEY BECOME HARVESTS IN THE SEASONS TO COME. DEHAVILLAND: AND IS
THAT WHY YOU USE HEBREWS 11 AS YOUR PLAYBACK OF
UNFINISHED BUSINESS, AND CARRYING THAT FORWARD? TIM: THAT'S RIGHT. IT'S ONE OF THE
GREATEST SCRIPTURES AND TESTIMONIES FOR US
TO ALLOW US TO KNOW THAT THIS SEASON THAT
WE'RE IN IS NOT PERMANENT. IT IS TEMPORARY. AND GOD MOVES US
FROM FAITH TO FAITH AND GLORY TO GLORY. HE ALSO MOVES US FROM
SEASONS TO SEASONS. JONI: I LOVE THAT.
SO GOOD. YOU KNOW, AS YOU
WERE TALKING, I REALLY SENSED THERE
ARE SOME OF YOU WATCHING THAT THERE HAS
BEEN A DREAM THAT YOU HAD
THAT HAS DIED. AT LEAST YOU FEEL
LIKE IT HAS DIED. BUT I REALLY FEEL LIKE
THE LORD IS SAYING THAT YOU MAY FEEL
LIKE IT'S DEAD, BUT THERE ARE OTHER
THINGS COMING. AND AS YOU SURRENDER
YOUR LIFE TO HIM, HE'S GONNA OPEN NEW DOORS AND THERE ARE GONNA BE
SOME OF THOSE DREAMS THAT HE'S PLACED ON
THE INSIDE OF YOU THAT ARE GONNA
COME BACK TO LIFE AND GOD IS GONNA DO
SOME AMAZING THINGS IN YOUR LIFE AS YOU
STEWARD YOUR LIFE IN A WAY THAT IS SUBMITTED TO THE ONE WHO CREATED YOU. AND SO IF YOU'RE
THAT PERSON TODAY, I JUST WANT TO ENCOURAGE
YOU TO CALL THAT NUMBER ON THE SCREEN. LET US PRAY WITH YOU. WE DON'T HAVE TO HAVE
YOUR NAME, ADDRESS, OR ANY INFORMATION
LIKE THAT. WE SIMPLY WANT TO AGREE
WITH YOU IN PRAYER. IF THAT'S YOU, JUST
SAY, YOU KNOW WHAT, THAT REALLY SPOKE TO ME. AND I REALLY WANT SOMEONE
TO PRAY WITH ME ABOUT THIS. THIS IS SO VERY IMPORTANT. ONE OF THE THINGS I HEARD
YOU SAY EARLIER IS THAT, ONE OF THE REASONS
WHY GRIEF IS HARD IS BECAUSE WE HAD
AN EXPECTATION. I CAN'T REMEMBER THE EXACT
SENTENCE THAT YOU SAID, BUT IT WAS SO GOOD. WHAT WAS THAT? TIM: IT WAS THAT
OFTENTIMES WE'RE NOT HURT BY WHAT HAPPENS TO US, WE'RE HURT BY WHAT WE
EXPECTED NOT TO HAPPEN TO US. JONI: OKAY.
SAY THAT ONE MORE TIME. TIM: WE'RE NOT HURT
BY WHAT HAPPENS TO US, WE'RE HURT BY WHAT WE
EXPECTED NOT TO HAPPEN TO US. AND ONE OF THE THINGS I
HAD TO COME TO GRIPS WITH IS GOD DOES NOT LIVE
UP TO MY EXPECTATIONS. IF HE LIVES UP TO
MY EXPECTATIONS, HE CAN'T EXCEED THEM. AND SO ONE OF THE THINGS
GOD SHARED WITH ME IS, I DON'T LIVE UP TO
YOUR EXPECTATIONS, BUT I ALWAYS LIVE
UP TO MY WORD. AND WHEN WE SOW THE WORD
OF GOD INTO OUR LIVES AND INTO OUR HEARTS, IT ALWAYS BLOOMS. IT ALWAYS FLOURISHES. IT ALWAYS GROWS INTO
SOMETHING MORE BEAUTIFUL THAN WE COULD EVER
ANTICIPATE OR EXPECT. JONI: NOW YOU
NEVER THOUGHT THAT YOU WOULD GO
INTO MINISTRY. TIM: NEVER. JONI: THEN YOU HAD
THAT SUPERNATURAL DREAM. THEN YOUR MOM TOLD
YOU YOUR DAD HAD THAT. IT JUST ALL CAME TOGETHER. AND YOU KNEW GOD HAD
HIS FINGER ON YOU. TIM: ABSOLUTELY. JONI: AND YOU HAD TO DO
WHAT HE WAS ASKING YOU TO DO. TELL US ABOUT THAT TRANSITION
INTO PASTORING. WERE YOU SCARED? WERE THERE
MOMENTS, I MEAN, BECAUSE YOU THINK
ABOUT SOMETIMES WHEN YOU WALK
THROUGH THOSE DOORS, YOU'RE THINKING HOW
AM I GONNA DO THIS? BUT, AGAIN, WHEN
YOU KNOW THE LORD, YOU KNOW, HE SAID
I'LL NEVER LEAVE YOU, I'LL NEVER FORSAKE YOU, I'LL GO WITH YOU TO
THE END OF THE WORLD. YOU'RE NOT ALONE IN THAT. TELL US ABOUT THAT
PROCESS FOR YOU. TIM: YOU FEEL
ALL THE FEELS. YOU HAVE ALL THE EMOTIONS. YOU KNOW, YOU THINK WHEN YOU'RE
STEPPING INTO THAT POSITION, AM I CAPABLE
OF DOING THIS THE WAY MY FATHER DID? JONI: RIGHT. TIM: AND ONE OF
THE THINGS I HAD TO - JONI: AND THE
ANSWER WAS PROBABLY NO. TIM: YEAH. BUT AT 20 YEARS
OLD, YOU KNOW, YOU DON'T KNOW HOW TO
PROCESS THOSE THINGS WITHOUT EXPERIENCING THEM. AND ONE OF THE GREATEST
THINGS THAT I HAD TO LEARN, SOME THINGS CAN'T
BE EXPLAINED, THEY CAN ONLY
BE EXPERIENCED. AND THE THING THAT
I COMPARE IT TO IS RUNNING THROUGH A FIRE
WITH A GASOLINE SUIT ON. YOU LEARN ON THE GO. YOU LEARN WHAT TO DO, YOU LEARN WHAT NOT TO DO, BUT YOU ALSO LEARN THAT
THERE HAVE BEEN SEEDS OF GREATNESS THAT HAVE
BEEN SOWED INTO YOU. AND ALTHOUGH THEY'VE
BEEN DORMANT, ALTHOUGH THEY'VE BEEN
UNDISCOVERED AND UNSEEN, IN THE RIGHT
CONDITIONS, THEY BLOOM. AND PLACED IN THE
RIGHT CONDITIONS, THE SEEDS THAT MY
PARENTS SOWED IN ME THEY BEGAN TO FLOURISH. THEY BEGAN TO GROW. AND THEY DIDN'T LOOK LIKE
THE SAME FLOWERS THAT THEY SAW. BUT THEY LOOKED BEAUTIFUL
IN ITS OWN RIGHT. AND WHEN I CAME TO GRIPS WITH I'M UNIQUELY AND
WONDERFULLY MADE BY GOD, NOT TO MIMIC, BUT TO BE
WHO GOD HAD CALLED ME TO BE, THEN I BEGAN TO
RUN IN THE LANE GOD CARVED OUT
FOR ME TO RUN IN. RACHEL: IT'S
AMAZING TO THINK YOU WERE ONE DECISION
AWAY FROM YOUR DESTINY. TIM: YEP.
RACHEL: LIKE WHAT HAPPENS
IF YOU WEREN'T OBEDIENT, LOOK AT ALL THAT GOD
HAS DONE THROUGH YOU AND USED YOU TO ACCOMPLISH
FOR HIS KINGDOM. I JUST IMAGINE YOUR
DAD LOOKING OVER THE PEARLY GATES OF HEAVEN
JUST SMILING SO BIG. JONI: YOU KNOW HE WAS
STANDING IN THAT GREAT CLOUD OF WITNESSES EGGING YOU ON, FOR SURE. TIM: ABSOLUTELY. JONI: AND YOU HAD
TO REALLY DEAL WITH AND THERE ARE PEOPLE
WATCHING RIGHT NOW YOU'VE DEALT
WITH THIS, TOO, AND YOU'RE MAYBE EVEN
STILL DEALING WITH IT, AND THAT IS, YOU
WERE ANGRY AT GOD FOR YOUR DAD'S
PROMOTION TO HEAVEN. TIM: ABSOLUTELY. JONI: WHICH,
BY THE WAY, THAT'S WHAT WE'RE
ALL WAITING FOR, THAT MOMENT WHEN WE STEP
ACROSS TO THE OTHER SIDE. YES, WE WANT TO
FULFILL OUR DESTINY HERE ON EARTH, BUT ETERNITY
IS A LONG TIME. AND WE'RE LOOKING FORWARD
TO THAT ETERNAL HOME. BUT YOU HAD TO ALMOST
WORK AT FORGIVING GOD. AND THERE ARE A LOT OF
PEOPLE THAT ARE MAD AT GOD. SPEAK TO THAT. TIM: ABSOLUTELY. I THINK THAT WE ALL
HAVE QUESTIONS, AND AT CERTAIN POINTS WE
ALL HAVE OUR STRUGGLES AND OUR BATTLES THAT WE HAVE
TO NAVIGATE AND STEWARD. FOR ME IT WAS
FEELING LIKE THERE WAS MORE LIFE
FOR HIM TO LIVE. AND I WAS FRUSTRATED
AND ANGRY THAT I COULD NO LONGER
LIVE THAT LIFE OUT WITH HIM. JONI: WE THINK
WE KNOW, KIND OF, WHAT GOD NEEDS TO DO
IN THESE SITUATIONS. TIM: OH, WE DO. WE BECOME OUR
OWN MANAGERS AND WE HAVE OUR SCRIPT
THAT WE'VE WRITTEN. AND WHEN THE STORY DOES
NOT END THE WAY THAT WE HAVE WRITTEN IT, OH, WE HAVE A TENDENCY TO
GET MAD AT THE DIRECTOR. AND THAT'S WHERE I WAS. I MEAN, I WAS ANGRY. AND I HAD MY PLANS. I HAD MY DREAMS. I HAD MY ASPIRATIONS. I WANTED MY FATHER TO
SEE WHO I WOULD MARRY. I WANTED HIM TO
MEET HIS GRANDKIDS AND THOSE THINGS
JUST DIDN'T HAPPEN THE WAY THAT
I HAD PLANNED. AND GOD REMINDED
ME OF SOMETHING THAT REALLY SET ME FREE. AND HE TOLD ME, HE SAID, MY SON HAD THE
OPPORTUNITY TO HEAL HIS
EARTHLY FATHER, AND HE HAD TO ALLOW
HIM TO TRANSITION SO THAT HE WOULD KNOW THE
PAIN THAT YOU FEEL NOW. WHEN WE THINK ABOUT
JESUS AT THE CROSS AND MARY'S THERE
WITH HER SON, SHE'S STANDING
BESIDE JOHN, AND HISTORICALLY SPEAKING,
IF JOSEPH WAS STILL ALIVE, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN
THERE BESIDE HIS WIFE WATCHING THEIR
SON TRANSITION. BUT JESUS, HAVING THE
POWER TO RESURRECT HIM, HAD TO LET HIM TRANSITION SO THAT HE COULD SAY I'VE BEEN THROUGH EVERYTHING
YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH AND I KNOW HOW YOU FEEL,
BUT THERE'S HOPE. AND THAT'S WHERE
I FOUND MY HOPE. AND THAT'S WHERE I
RELEASED MY ANGER. UNDERSTANDING THE PERSON
THAT HAS ALL POWER RELINQUISHED THAT POWER SO THAT HE COULD KNOW WHAT
I AM FEELING RIGHT NOW. AND STILL TO THIS DAY, THAT BRINGS ME
MUCH HEALING. IT BRINGS ME THE
PEACE THAT I NEED FOR THE SEASON
THAT I'M IN AND IT ALLOWS ME TO KNOW THAT ALTHOUGH MY
DAD'S NOT HERE, MY HEAVENLY
FATHER STILL IS. JONI: WELL,
YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS IS SUCH AN
IMPORTANT SUBJECT AND I KNOW MANY
OF YOU WATCHING YOU HAVE BEEN THINKING,
I DIDN'T REALLY THINK I WOULD SIT DOWN
AND WATCH THIS SHOW, BUT I'VE KIND OF
BEEN PULLED IN. WELL, IT'S NOT US, IT'S THE HOLY SPIRIT
THAT'S TOUCHING YOUR HEART. AND FOR THOSE OF YOU THAT
PRAYED THAT PRAYER WITH TIM, I'D LOVE TO SEND
YOU A FREE BOOK ENTITLED,NOW WHAT? WE HAVE IT IN
ENGLISH AND SPANISH. AND WHAT DO PEOPLE DO, TIM, AFTER THEY'VE PRAYED
THAT PRAYER OF SALVATION AND THEY'VE
INVITED JESUS IN, IT'S IMPORTANT - THERE'S A COUPLE OF
IMPORTANT STEPS IN DISCIPLESHIP. WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN? TIM: THE FIRST THING THAT
NEEDS TO HAPPEN AFTER THAT IS GET CONNECTED TO
SOME OTHER PEOPLE THAT ARE ON THIS
JOURNEY WITH YOU. WE'RE NOT MEANT TO WALK
OUT THIS LIFE ALONE. WE'RE MEANT TO
WALK THIS LIFE OUT WITH PEOPLE IN COMMUNITY
AND IN RELATIONSHIPS. AND I WOULD ENCOURAGE THEM
TO CALL THAT 1-800 NUMBER AND CONNECT TO FIND
OUT THOSE STEPS. JONI: THAT'S
REALLY IMPORTANT. WELL, WE'RE OUT OF TIME. I WANT YOU TO REMEMBER THAT NO MATTER WHAT
YOU'RE GOING THROUGH, GOD STILL HAS BETTER
DAYS AHEAD FOR YOU. BUT YOU MAY HAVE TO
LET GO OF SOME THINGS. YOU MAY HAVE TO GRIEVE. YOU HAVE TO MOVE FORWARD. YOU HAVE TO STEP
INTO THE FUTURE THAT HE HAS FOR YOU. AND IF YOU'RE
WATCHING TODAY AND MAYBE YOU'RE HAVING
TROUBLE LETTING GO OR GETTING OVER
PAST LOSSES, GOD WANTS TO DO SOMETHING
IN YOUR LIFE TODAY. SO, AGAIN, THAT'S WHY THAT
NUMBER'S ON THE SCREEN. OUR PRAYER PARTNERS
ARE STANDING BY READY TO PRAY WITH YOU AND TO HELP YOU OVERCOME WHAT'S HOLDING YOU BACK THROUGH PRAYER. AND I TELL YOU WHAT, IT IS POWERFUL WHEN TWO
COME TOGETHER AND PRAY. AND JUST COME TO THE
LORD AND ASK HIM TO HELP IN WHATEVER SITUATION
YOU'RE GOING THROUGH. I WANT TO THANK
TIM FOR JOINING US. BE SURE TO PICK UP
A COPY OF HIS BOOK, THE ART OF OVERCOMING. LETTING GOD TURN YOUR
ENDINGS INTO BEGINNINGS. IT'S AVAILABLE NOW. AND FOR MORE, YOU CAN VISIT
HIM ONLINE, AT TIMTIMBERLAKE.TV. AND IF TODAY'S
TABLE TALK HAS TOUCHED YOUR LIFE, WE WANT TO HEAR
FROM YOU. LEAVE US A COMMENT ON FACEBOOK,
INSTAGRAM, TWITTER OR YOUTUBE. WE ALWAYS LOVE HEARING WHAT GOD IS DOING
IN YOUR LIFE. I WANT TO THANK
YOU FOR WATCHING. THANK YOU, TIM, FOR
SHARING YOUR STORY. THANK YOU, LADIES. WE'LL SEE YOU
NEXT TIME. GOD BLESS YOU. BYE-BYE FOR TODAY. ♪♪♪
