When Airbnb goes wrong: Cancellations and covert listings (Marketplace)

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Everyone loves airbnb and Uber till they don't.

👍︎︎ 20 👤︎︎ u/wheelchairdolly 📅︎︎ Mar 23 2019 🗫︎ replies

The apartment complex we lived in before we left Toronto was great til half of it wound up on airbnb.

then it was people chasing us out of our own amenity areas, being rude and demanding, loud, messy.

I loathe airbnb, for what it’s done to housing in Toronto and the day it gets shut out of toronto will be a grand day. ( til then, living where its regulated and restricted is kind of nice, housing rental wise). But I also don’t find staying in someone’s house charming or relaxing.

👍︎︎ 14 👤︎︎ u/FishFeet500 📅︎︎ Mar 24 2019 🗫︎ replies

AirBnB is great until you get screwed like we did. We used to use it all the time until we got a last minute cancellation. We booked an AirBNB in Boston for my father-in-laws 60th. We booked it 4 months in advanced and the host, who was a “super host” by the way (not anymore), cancelled on us 2 days before our trip. It was pretty clear what happened: he realized the weekend we booked was the Boston Marathon weekend (just a coincidence) and cancelled on us to resell at a higher price (through another platform). Not only did it cost us considerable amount more (we had to get two rooms in a hotel instead because everything was booked) but the hotel wasn’t available for the whole time and we had to end our trip early, and on top of all that, it was the stress and frustration the ruined the experience for us. Trips are supposed to be fun and exciting and we still had a good time, but this experience definitely ruined a part of our trip. A month later a co-worker’s boyfriend had a last minute cancellation and ended up wondering the streets all night as AirBnB scrambled to find them alternate accommodation. Just not my idea of a vacation.

👍︎︎ 36 👤︎︎ u/iredditonthenet 📅︎︎ Mar 23 2019 🗫︎ replies

Airbnb is scum and so is Uber.

Why the city has not already heavily restricted this dumbass service is a huge failure in their duty to their constituents.

It has done nothing more than fuel few people's selfishness. If you want to run a lodge, then apply for a business license to do so in an area zoned for such a business. These are homes and should not be used as a vehicle to pad ones wallet.

👍︎︎ 54 👤︎︎ u/raadjl 📅︎︎ Mar 23 2019 🗫︎ replies

$1300 to rent a resort-like place for 5 weeks. Hmmm. That gentleman needs a lesson on online shopping 101.

👍︎︎ 30 👤︎︎ u/glymao 📅︎︎ Mar 23 2019 🗫︎ replies
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[engine roars] [indistinct radio chatter] [Charlsie] We're in Canada's largest airport. The perfect place to survey travellers about Airbnb. And what were your experiences like? Good. I really liked it. It was close to a subway. Like, everything was just perfect. Our ones in Italy were really great. [Charlsie] Mmm-hmm. The magic of travelling. [Charlsie] Ah yes, the magic of travelling. It's exactly what Airbnb is selling and they've built a $30 billion dollar business on it... Together. All in one place. [Charlsie] With more than 6 million listings, Airbnb is the biggest home sharing brand in the world. You get a lot more options. It's a lot cheaper than an all-inclusive. It's like home. Home away from home. [♪♪] [Charlsie] But before you click on what looks like your dream suite, find out what to do when Airbnb goes "Airb-n-bad". [Charlsie] It's winter in Alberta, so naturally, David Jackel makes plans to spend a few weeks somewhere warm. We kind of deemed this as my 50th birthday present. So yeah it was a little bit more than just our usual getaway. [Charlsie] Arranging that much time off from his job as a crane technician takes a lot of planning. But eventually, he books an Airbnb for him and his wife Kelly in Huatulco, Mexico-- six months in advance. He spends $1,300 for a five-week stay. The place was exactly what we wanted. And the price almost seemed too good to be true. [Charlsie] Turns out...it was. So I believe it would have been Friday night, I get a text saying that our host has cancelled on us. [Charlsie] And you're supposed to check in-- Monday. Right? And I'm just like okay so this is just a joke. This is-- they're having some fun with me right, you know. And then it's like okay now this has just gotten serious. [Charlsie] And get this, at the last minute, David says the only good alternative was over $6,000 more! So he asks Airbnb to cover the price difference. I was never doing this to be malicious or to try and screw Airbnb out of money. But I don't wanna be out money. I don't see where this ends up being a me issue when the host goes and cancels on me. [Charlsie] So was this an isolated incident? To find out we need to bring together two other giants. Dan Weber is the founder of airbnbhell.com, a website that publishes horror stories written by Airbnb users. He launched the site in 2013 after a bad hosting experience. Asher Fergusson is a travel blogger. He analysed 1,000 Airbnb guest stories and he's got the scoop on the most common complaints. You guys had heard of each other but you've never met before. -Correct. You did a deep dive into this. What are the most common things that go wrong? So the most common is actually the host cancels the stay. Typically, last minute. So, you get off the plane in Paris, you get a notification, you have no accommodation. [Charlsie] Just what happened to David. Airbnb offers David similarly priced alternatives, but he says they just didn't compare. When I was looking at these it was like this is not even close. [Charlsie] So you didn't feel like they compared? No. Right? And I mean price wise the comparison was spot on. Amenity wise and everything else, not even close. [Charlsie] Remember, David is a planner. He booked his original rental months in advance to get the best deal. At the last minute... He says the only similar listing was $7400. That's more than $6000 dollars difference. [Charlsie] So after weeks of exchanging messages, he's on the phone making his case to a customer service rep. [Charlsie] If your host cancels at the last minute and your new place costs more, Airbnb says, "we may help by covering a portion of the difference". [Charlsie] David put $920 down when he booked, so his rebooking credit is 10% or $92.00. No, I did see the $92 credit. [Charlsie] But David's not giving up. He's going to keep fighting for that refund. I wake up every night and trying to figure out where did this go wrong? Why, you know-- I don't wanna be, "Why me, why me, why me," but you know, where is their support? [Charlsie] So, what should Airbnb do? Our experts are divided. I'm not sure, giving six grand or something would make sense. I think it's one of these things where you gotta have a platform that doesn't even allow this to happen. If they had to compensate everyone, it would end the business overnight. I would argue, yes, Airbnb should pay for it. Reason being, that motivates them to do the right thing and actually police their own platform in the first place. [Charlsie] Tell me about your experience with Airbnb. What's it been like? Night number 1 was great, night number 2 the host cancelled on us. We were left in Munich trying to figure out where we were going to stay the next night. [Charlsie] Who picked up the tab? We did. [Charlsie] Did that happen to you? Yes, in New York City. I just communicated with the host saying I'll see you tomorrow kind of thing, and he had double booked it. He cancelled on me last minute. [Charlsie] Did Airbnb help you out? No. They sometimes get better offers, and that's often what they do-- They get a better offer. Yeah, they're on VRBO, they're on Airbnb, and whoever pays them the most money they kick the other person off. [Charlsie] Asher has a similar theory about what might be behind some of the last-minute cancellations. That's often connected to a scam where the host has different listings on Airbnb and maybe other rental websites. And they list them at different price points. And then, when the lower price point is taken over by the higher price, they cancel the lower price point guest. Because they make more money. And they do it last minute. [Charlsie] Airbnb won't talk to us on camera about cancellations, but tells us "negative incidents are extremely rare," adding, when they do happen, the company says it tries to make them right. So, is there anything you can do to avoid what happened to David? The last-minute cancellation is a hard one. I mean, they can do their research, they can look up the host, they can read the reviews, contact the host, ask questions, try to get a sense of how responsible and, and responsive this person is. I think staying with hosts who have only 5-star reviews and a lot of them. Like, at least 50 to 100. The more the better. And they now have this service, Airbnb Plus. Also, Super Host. Both of those are way more likely to not cancel then someone who doesn't have those status. [♪♪] [Charlsie] We get a third opinion from an expert in the sharing economy. Ryerson University professor Kernaghan Webb. You come to the hotel, you were booked at the hotel, you get there and hey there isn't room available. Or you go to the room and it's smelly or whatever. And what do hotels do? They adjust on the spot. If you don't up your game constantly to keep your customers satisfied, you will lose your customers. [♪♪] [Charlsie] Looks like Airbnb does some adjusting for David after we get involved. So you are back in Mexico and loving it. [Charlsie] Finally after I think it was nearly three months of back and forth emails, phone calls, to finally get the news that you were hoping for. Yes, they did come up with the compensation. They did come up with the difference that it did cost me. [Charlsie] David's total refund: $6400. David, do you know that this is a $30 billion company and you took them on and you won? [Charlsie] How to avoid a vacation nightmare? [♪♪] [Charlsie] We're back, getting to the bottom of some common Airbnb issues. And our investigation brings us to Toronto where one of our producers is picking up the keys to a "luxury" condo just outside of downtown. [Charlsie] The listing describes a one bedroom, one bathroom unit with access to amenities like a pool and hot tub. The rules seem simple enough-- No noise after 10:00pm, no parties, no smoking. But we're interested in a rule that isn't found on the listing. A rule Patricia Payne only learns about after she had already booked the very same suite. Last summer Patricia and her boyfriend drove all the way from Labrador City to Toronto to visit family. Her family recommends Airbnb. So, you spent a couple days in the car and then that's it right there, that's the Airbnb. Yeah that's it. [Charlsie] And what did you think when you first pulled up? Man, I thought it was huge! I've never stayed in a building so high. [Charlsie] It's $133 per night for a whole condo unit. The selling point was definitely the parking and then all of the amenities were kind of an exciting extra because we didn't expect to find a full house to stay in with a pool and a hot tub and everything. [Charlsie] Great, so it sounds like it was the perfect spot. -Sounded fancy. -Yeah. [Charlsie] But three days after booking, the host surprises her with new rules she didn't sign up for. So, he gives me the rules and the address, and says "some notes about my stay." The first thing that he says is if anyone asks you're just visiting. Please don't mention Airbnb or short-term rental. It's prohibited in the condominium building. [Charlsie] Huh? And then he goes onto say that I should not, in all caps, not talk to concierge or security in the building. So what were you thinking when you read it's prohibited in the condominium building? I kind of panicked and I was not sure what to do. [Charlsie] So what are the chances you'll end up in a "covert" Airbnb? Well, Dan has a confession for us from his own experience as a former host. I mean, I'll testify myself, I was, when I first started as a host, way back in the day, I wasn't supposed to do it there. [Charlsie] We appreciate your honesty, Dan. They have to know it's happening. This is fairly simple data to collect. They could also have a, a very simple sign up platform where all of these apartment managers just say, I, I want this address blacklisted. Also, when you're creating a host account, you could submit documentation yourself showing what are the covenants of that building. What, are you even the legal owner of that? What were you most worried about while you were staying here? I was most concerned about being confronted by somebody who worked there since it was technically against the rules and I was concerned about eventually maybe having to leave and scramble to find a new place to stay. [Charlsie] Did you make it to the gym? Did you make it to the pool? No, we didn't. We don't even know where in the building it might be. [Charlsie] Just because you were concerned about having that awkward exchange-- Yeah. Or getting kicked out? Yeah, definitely. [Charlsie] So we decide to book Patricia's unit too. No mention of sneaking around on the listing. Maybe Airbnb is allowed in the building now? But sure enough before check-in, we get an email with the same set of instructions. [Charlsie] And when we meet our host on check-in day... He gives another gentle reminder before we walk in. [Charlsie] Our producer asks for an explanation. [Charlsie] Everywhere? Is it like this in every city? A viewer tells us about a similar experience while visiting Ottawa last spring. "I felt very uncomfortable, especially when I saw a notice in the elevator stating 'no short term rentals-- condo is under 24 hour supervision.'" So we book with the host but end up in a different suite, in a different building. Still, the message is the same... Important-- please do not talk to the building staff. If being asked, always address yourself as a resident or a tenant. And never as a guest of Airbnb. Please do not disclose my unit number. [Charlsie] The viewer complains to Airbnb and receives a refund-- but check this out. The host's profile lists similar complaints. But he's still in business despite the critical reviews. That's called a misrepresentation by the lodging provider to Airbnb. So that could lead to a situation where subsequently there's a complaint. At which point Airbnb might say, "I'm revoking your ability to provide lodging service." But that's a kind of a long-distance regulatory role. [Charlsie] Translation? Airbnb could do more to make sure hosts play by the rules. When we ask Airbnb about preventing covert rentals they say hosts must agree to comply with local rules before listing a space. So, if you've booked a covert Airbnb stay... what should you do? I think I would immediately contact Airbnb and say what do I do in this case? And document everything through the platform. Don't like write messages to the host outside of the platform. Have a paper trail to show that this happened. And then I would demand a refund. If I were to book another Airbnb and somebody pulled the same thing, I definitely like-- I probably wouldn't do it [Charlsie] Just 'cause. It wasn't a good time. [Charlsie] Neighbourhood watch on your marketplace. [Charlsie] We asked about your experiences with Airbnb. Many of you sent us glowing reviews. I love it. Very accommodating. I like them. [Charlsie] And then there's this, from an Airbnb 'er who stayed in downtown Toronto. A dirty carpet, a stained couch, and when she stripped the bed on checkout day, stains on the mattress. She complained to Airbnb and was refunded the $100 cleaning fee for her stay. So far we're uncovering some of the ways your Airbnb can go AirBnBad as a guest. But what happens when Airbnb moves in next door? Prince Abiona is called the "Airbnb hunter". He knows exactly what he's looking for, so it's just a matter of finding the right listing... And shutting it down. If for this particular building, I guarantee we'll find out within 24 hours. [Charlsie] You're that good. I'd say yes. [Charlsie] Prince is the building supervisor at this downtown Toronto condo. About 8 years it banned short-term rentals. He works alongside condo board president Chris Devita to ensure that Airbnb and others stay out. This is what they're trying to avoid. The 19-year-old has been charged with mischief endangering life, damage of property and being a common nuisance [Charlsie] It's believed the woman in the video, Marcella Zoia was staying in an Airbnb in Toronto. But Chris is also concerned about a different kind of threat from short-term rentals... The Biggest contributor to the negative aspect is, again, the lack of community. You can't be friends with people who're just ghosts. They just come and go. It's nice here because, I know a lot of condos filled with people who don't want to know their neighbours, but here it seems to be a bit different. [Charlsie] Prince doesn't want to reveal all of his methods, but he gives us a sense of how the process unfolds. We don't necessarily have to pay you a visit, we just have to make sure that we document everything we do in this regard right. So we make sure that we process a first warning notice from our management office, right direct to the owner of the condo. [Charlsie] After the first warning, comes a second. The third warning comes from a lawyer-- along with $600 charge for the cost of the letter. Some might say it's a heavy-handed approach, but Chris has seen the results of guests gone wild. So tell me Chris, when you were talking about bad incidents, what are some of the things that were damaged or went wrong? We had a party of some 20 something people. [Charlsie] 20 something people, okay. And it spilled out into the hallway, a lot of drinks being spilled, a lot of other bodily fluids being spilled, and of course, they decided to redecorate our elevator here, which was nice of them. Redecorate the elevator? Yeah, $7,000 worth. What is the nightmare scenario that someone slips by you and then something goes wrong? I mean the nightmare isn't a nice couple from Chicago staying here for a weekend. The nightmare is a group of criminals coming in using this as a base of operations for either human trafficking, prostitution, all kinds of stuff, this happens, this is a reality. [Charlsie] And the reality is while some people love what Airbnb has done for travel, others argue it takes homes away from people who need them. This is a business, and it's a, a lot of people making a lot of money on this, and there are a number of problems in the city surrounding housing caused by this very issue. [Charlsie] Some experts say that the popularity of short-term rentals has removed thousands of homes from the housing supply in cities like Toronto, Vancouver, and Montreal. Airbnb argues "responsible" hosting brings economic benefits for hosts and their communities. And it's working with cities to find a balance between housing concerns and the rights of hosts. Meantime, if you have a complaint about a host in your neighbourhood, send Airbnb a message here. But if you find yourself in any of the guest scenarios we've covered, our experts says contacting the company is just the beginning. You have to get it public. You can't just use the Airbnb platform to complain. You can put it on Twitter or Facebook, you know, anything. This is the kind of thing that gets you the attention that actually will resolve your issue. They care about their reputation. Yeah, speak up. Make a fuss about it. [Charlsie] It worked for David. He got over $6,000 back. [Charlsie] We want to hear from more of you. Email your Airbnb story to marketplace@cbc.ca.
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Channel: CBC News
Views: 1,229,253
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Keywords: airbnb, home sharing, airbnb problems, airbnb complaints, short-term renters, airbnb refund, airbnb cancellation, covert airbnb, illegal airbnb, airbnb rules, marketplace, cbc marketplace, cbc news, cbc
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Length: 20min 49sec (1249 seconds)
Published: Fri Mar 22 2019
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