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let's just jump into it. And what we're jumping
into is hot tubs on Twitch. So what Twitch is primarily known as being the streaming
destination for all things gaming it also has an absolutely
massive just chatting section. You know, there you have people that are doing
things like a talk shows. They're, they're just commenting and then watching things on the internet. And then you have the
scantily clad female streamers and there's been a big debate around that. And all of it is basically
stepping back to what women are and are not allowed to
wear on the platform. And specifically what we're talking about today are streams
that involved people primarily women sitting in
a hot tub in a bathing suit while talking to viewers. The thing to understand is that this is allowed by Twitch's rules because while generally they
do not allow partial nudity they do allow contextual exceptions. Like if you are in a setting
where a swimsuit is normal attire so long as the swimsuit falls in line with their coverage standards. And a slew a female
streamers saw this exception, and were like all right let's go. And doing these hot tub streams has made some people
incredibly successful. People like indiefoxx who
have gained large followings regularly doing this though
she's also faced bans. You've also had female streamers like Amouranth kind of
becoming the poster child of this scandal if you look
at certain publications. Though, of course the situation
is not without controversy because you have some people
saying that these streams are sort of tasteless
or a death to Twitch. Some saying it's not
fair for other streamers that they're taking away viewers. And you have others saying these women should be able to do what they want. That the criticisms are
just people slut-shaming or being anti-women. Though we've also seen
big names getting involved like xQc who tweeted,
"I'm gonna be honest, this hot tub meta is by
far the most pathetic thing we've seen on Twitch in forever. What a sad reality, please get this trash off the front page." But you have others like
Hillary Pokket Nicole saying, "We live in a world
where it's okay for men to sexualize women in media all the time. The minute a woman owns her
own sexuality is somehow, gasp, immoral. Stop it. Meanwhile, you have other
people like Daphne saying it's not fair to hate on the
women who are doing this, right, you can disagree with it but saying it's Twitch's job to have rules and for Twitch's job to enforce rules but they do so inconsistently and also saying it's
not really a big issue. People eventually get bored
of these things anyway. And in fact, some are already saying that these hot tub streams are dying down but it still has sparked a conversation about sexual content on
the platform in general. For example, you had Swedish streamer
AnnieFuchsia going viral for her take on the situation. In the clip, she pulls up a photo of a streamer on Twitch who was dressed in what appears to be kind of lingerie or a lingerie adjacent outfit. Explaining that, during
that creator's stream, she was doing yoga, jumping
on a trampoline, and adding. - I don't know, like we
are, we're meant to see this as normal things, IRL. Like we're not, this is
like a no big deal, right? And I think when we have these
things as like no big deal that means when you have actual porn it has to become so much more hardcore to be counted as porn. - Later adding that
sometimes sexual content is just expected of women. And in this debate there's
people saying, yeah, if you keep normalizing it
people are going to say, well why are these other
female streamers doing it? And ultimately with this
story, as far as my opinion, I think it comes down to two things and I'm probably going
to get shit for this. One, the policing of
female bodies in general, which is a constant thing we
see in so many different facets of our society. And two, a private company with rules that they make and enforce. And if as is there is a
loophole whether intended or not that allows these female
streamers to do this or really any streamer to do this, props! You figured out a way
to maximize everything within the lines of the terms and service. And it's helping you thrive, props to you. Actually, if you think that's
a surprising take from me then you haven't been
watching me long enough. You know, my show over a decade ago was a completely different
disgusting monster beast of a Philip DeFranco show. One of the ways it was
different is I got massive views because I put very attractive and often scantily clad
women in my thumbnail. So how am I as someone that
personally benefited and gained off of the bodies of women
ever going to have an opinion that's like "women
shouldn't be able to do that with their body". In my eyes that's just
them taking the power back, having the control. And like most of my opinions, if you're not hurting somebody
else, you do you, baby boy. You do you, baby girl. Which, actually when
looking further into this, I mean one of the biggest female
streamers on any platform, Valkyrie, had a similar opinion when talking about the space. - So I just, I just don't
get what the issue is. If no one's hurting anyone,
why, what's the issue? I don't get it. - But where I think things get
muddy for me, cloudy for me, where maybe I'm the most sensitive and I try to kind of
take in more information, but you know when you have
female streamers speaking up saying that the rise of the
scantily clad women and hot tubs especially if they're doing
kind of sexualized content or they dress like that and then they're doing stuff
like jumping on the trampoline and doing yoga and certain
poses as a way to show. That blowing up and
becoming more normalized could also normalize people
going to their streams where they don't do that and expecting it. But there, you'll have
people pushing back saying, well that's more of an
audience moderation problem. If people want what you're not offering and they're being rude about
it, just kick them out. But also the argument
against that is if Twitch is just putting your stream
and that other stream right next to each other because you're both listed as
Just Chat then what do you do? I mean, really I'd love to just know any and all thoughts you have on this. Cause I'm still digesting it. But yeah, where I stand now, I don't have a problem with
any of these streamers. And actually, even if you are angry I could understand you being angry at Twitch because they could
have finished this off. They could have killed this,
this whole issue off yesterday. When I see these streamers these third party
contractor partners I mean I don't see them doing
anything that I wouldn't do if I was in their position. I mean, if we're being
honest with one another if I was a young, attractive
woman on the internet now you probably would
already see my butt hole, are you kidding me? You see the size of the bags some of these girls have been getting? There's just not a big enough market as is or I'm about to find out
in a very uncomfortable way that there is. And I'm going to have to make some really important life decisions soon. I mean, I've always wanted a private jet. I mean, owning a yacht would be cool-- No, news, news coverage. That's what I do. Tell me your opinion on this story. Not, not what I did the last 30 seconds. Thank you. From that I want to take
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of policing caught on tape. We should definitely talk about people across the country
expressing massive outrage over an excessive use of force incident that happened last year involving Colorado police
and a 73 year old woman. All right, so the arrest in
question happened on June 26th. After Walmart employees
called to report that a woman by the name of Karen Garner had walked out of the store without paying
for about $13 worth of items. But Garner's family says
that she has dementia and sensory aphasia
which impairs her ability to communicate and understand. And so they believe that she just forgot to pay for the items, which employees made
her leave at the store and refused to let her pay for. Body cam footage also shows
officer's spotting Garner as she's walking home on a nearby road but doesn't appear to
understand what's going on and tries to keep walking. And we see within 30
seconds of making contact a responding officer brought her to the ground. Officers aggressively handcuff her, force her into a police cruiser, and allegedly used a hobble to restrain her feet at one point. And while doing all of this they reportedly fractured her arm, dislocated her shoulder, and
left her with other bruises. During the arrest, you even
see witnesses stopping to ask if police had to be so
aggressive with her. - [Citizen] Do you have to
use that much aggression? - [Officer] What are you
doing? Get outta here. - While this happened last year, all of this body cam footage just came out earlier this month after Garner's family filed a federal suit for excessive force and violations of the Americans with Disabilities Act. And in the suit they claim that four
police officers involved knew that she was injured but failed to take her to the
hospital, call her family, or call for mental health professionals after clearly using strong force against someone who might be mentally ill. And instead they left her
handcuffed in a jail cell for six hours as she cried out in pain. So with all of this, according
to Garner's attorney, the DA's office quickly dropped
all the charges against her once learning what had happened. After the footage came out, the Loveland police department said that the arresting officer, Austin Hopp, was placed
on administrative leave with the second officer seen in the video, Daria Jalali, reassigned
to administrative duties while authorities
investigate the incident. And you've got the eighth
judicial district attorney saying last week that
he's going to investigate whether the officers
broke any criminal laws. But the story also doesn't
end there because yesterday new footage was released
by Garner's lawyer. The video is showing officers
carrying her into a cell where they reportedly
handcuffed her to a bench. They then move over to computers nearby, where they laugh as they
rehash what happened. They even watched the body cam footage back with the arresting officer
saying "ready for the pop?" and acknowledging that
he thought that it came from her shoulder. Plus we also saw this exchange
as they watch the arrest. - As of the recording of this video, the department has not made a
statement on this new footage but if you want some advice
the proper response will be wow, that's fucked. And then as far as what's
happening with Garner, where is she? Her laywers say that since the arrest, she barely communicates
now and was left suffering more anxiety and worse dementia symptoms. Yeah, ultimately that is
where we are right now. We're going to have to
wait to see what happens. If there's any more information, if anyone will actually
be held accountable. And then we should definitely
talk about the US census because the US Census
Bureau released the totals of the 2020 count yesterday. You know, this is very big news because this will determine
how congressional seats, electoral votes, and billions of dollars in federal funding are
allocated for the next decade. So, all in all, seven districts
in total will be moved from one state to another
based on population changes, starting with the gainers. We saw at Colorado, Florida,
Montana, North Carolina and Oregon, each getting one seat while Texas took the grand prize of two. And as for the seven States
that lost seats you had California, Illinois, Michigan,
New York, Ohio, Pennsylvania and West Virginia. You know, with this there are a few main overarching takeaways. So let's try and break that down. First up, these new numbers shows that US population growth
has slowed drastically. Over the last 10 years the US population has grown
at the second lowest rates since the census count began back in 1790. A fact that experts say was driven by a slowdown in immigration
and declining birth rates but at the same time, those
new numbers support trends that we are already seeing. Right, for instance, since the 1940s New York has steadily lost seats while Florida has steadily gained them until they each held 27
after the 2010 census. But now Florida is actually
officially surpassed New York to claim the third,
most congressional seats and electoral votes after
California and Texas. And this is one of the
craziest things to me, Census Bureau officials
actually said that of just 89 more people had been
counted in New York the state would have not lost the seat. That's how close it was. Also, in addition to
keeping with expected trends there were also a number of surprises. Demographers had widely
expected Arizona to gain a seat which it did not as well as
Rhode Island to lose a seat which it kept. Also while yes, Florida
and Texas did gain seats, they were actually expected
to gain more than they did. And here's the thing. Well, gaining a seat
here, losing a seat there, it's very minimal. One of the biggest
opportunities that comes after a census is
redrawing district lines. And this is especially true
for Republican led States. So for example while several
Democratic states have created independent nonpartisan
commissions to draw district lines five of the new seven
allocated districts are going to states where the GOP
completely controls redistricting which will very likely help
Republicans draw house maps for 2022 that could increase
their chances to win back the five seats they
need to regain the majority but also understand both
the redistricting process and the allocation of federal
funds can not be completed until the census data
about race, ethnicity, age and sex is released. So all of this isn't
happening immediately. You have the Bureau
saying they won't publish that information until August. This, largely because the whole
census is behind schedule. It's one of the most embattled
census counts in decades. In addition to it happening at
a time of a historic pandemic the agency also faced
unprecedented jerking around from the Trump administration. It's also happening while the accuracy of the demographic data has
been called into question by some due to concerns about
how certain historically under counted groups were counted, especially with the lack of door knockers during this pandemic and
the shortened timeline. Then, I mean, of course
there is the possibility of lawsuits over the numbers
and the existing lawsuits over the other aspects of the census. And I mean, it's all
just a ridiculous mess but a ridiculous mess
you should pay attention to because I mean 2022 and 2024
are just around the corner. I hate to say that. And a lot of you feel like
it just caught your breath but I mean, this is,
this is life right now. And ultimately with this
story and honestly anything that stood out to you today I'd love to know your thoughts
in those comments down below, because this brings us to
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Honestly, regarding the whole hot tub thing, I mean who cares, women should be allowed to do whatever the hell they want. However, on the other hand, I'm worried about the small streamers who feel like they have to do this to get popular. I just wish Twitch did better.
I love how big YouTubers and Streamers promote hot tub streams saying things like "Yeah go get that bag!" without even thinking about what they're promoting. The fact that the real arguments were completely ignored and only the idiotic sexists were addressed is completely unlike Phil. The main argument against hot tub streams is the fact that it's not considered sexualized content by Twitch, meaning that under Twitch's current TOS a minor could put on a bikini and do a hot tub stream. THAT is the main argument against hot tub streams. Not "women successful waaahh". Most people understand that Twitch doesn't have a seperate TOS for people under the age of 18. It's an international corporate sponsored pedophilia haven waiting to happen, and they're sitting here promoting it because these facts were completely ignored and dumbed down to "sexist people don't like it" lmao.
Phil is usually so good at including the real story from both sides but I have to be honest when I say he kind of dropped the ball here. What happens when the first minor goes live in a hot tub stream and cites all the popular influencers who inspired her to do it? It's a bomb waiting to go off under Twitch and anyone who's supporting this without considering the worst case-scenario.
You can become a twitch streamer at the age of 13. Would you, Phil, be OK with a 13 year old putting out the same kind of content these hot tub streamers are? I mean, it's all ok according to the rules.
EDIT: Downvote me, that doesn't change the fact that
#1 This is nothing else but pornography for children. Yes you can't verify that every person watching pornhub is an adult either, but parents have the ability to filter adult content, some ISPs even do by default, and you have to specifically request the filter to be removed on your connection. Also parents have no idea that their child may be watching this type of content, and may be spending money on this type of content.
#2 Everybody can see and understand what this content is, but Twitch is pretending like this would be something entirely different. Don't call it just chatting, it has nothing to do with chatting, this is chaturbate for children!