We Shattered a Community - WAN Show March 3, 2023

happy Friday everyone and welcome to the WAN show I learned something this week maybe not this week but recently that short bit at the beginning where I'm looking at the camera that's called a millennial pause why it's really stupid we'll talk about it later we've got a lot of great stuff to talk to you guys about this week the wiggle that killed tarkov the video we talked about last week and uh kind of leaked has blown up and in the process shattered the tarkov community I would say that it has broken it in half but actually it's in about a million pieces so we're going to talk about that what else we got this week the Olympics of Esports featuring games that you've never heard you're picking that as a main topic yeah yep I actually love this topic and I'm very excited for it oh my gosh this this is probably my favorite topic of the whole show and you only picked one topic so I don't think you get to talk I picked two I had the millennial pause that's a topic I gotta reverse see that and throw it right back at you uh uh what else I don't know uh uh the the you can buy a car that can repossess itself I don't know whatever dude what so we're gonna listen to anything they watch four hours yeah whatever [Music] the show is brought to you today by thorum the ridge and Zoho won all right all right let's do the tarkov topic last week yes last week Luke accidentally on purpose leaked the upcoming video from goat you did it on purpose you did it well I didn't even know how can I leak what I don't know Luke accidentally on purpose only not fair the concept of a video history from Creator goat big tarkov Creator uh now yeah who cheated in the game in order to expose cheating the summary is that goat basically went I feel like a lot of people are cheating but because there's no playback there's no kill cam nothing like that no match replay I have no way of proving this so the way to do it could be to cheat myself and see if I can identify other cheaters that way when he got immersed into the cheater Community he found that there was an old way of identifying friendlies that's not really in use in the game anymore by regular players but is still in use by cheaters where one goes like that and the other goes like that to indicate hey bruh we're on the same side now the way that it's the thing that made it so obvious that it was always cheaters using this wiggle was that people would be doing it from Clear across the map with the trees and buildings and mountains in between them and would be looking like right at each other because some of the Jeeps would actually tell you if someone had their Crosshair on you is that right yeah so there's a bunch of different ones the one that he used in the video was like one of the easiest ones that you can get and it's been undetected for like years so that's the reason why he went that route so it wasn't super sophisticated but you could see exactly where people were aiming and you could see people through walls you could see what they had in their inventory you could see everything he also figured out after the video that people that have the more advanced cheats it's all on a separate monitor so it's a separate computer so it's even less detectable so they don't see the uh the wireframe through the wall so it's not really a wall hack in that way but they have the radar on a side monitor so they do a different form of Wiggle which he wasn't even doing in the video so there's probably a higher percentage of hackers which is where because they can see where people are aiming it like draws a line out from everyone's character they sweep so they look left and right so they they like sweep their aimer line over you so that that's like they they do kind of like a map wiggle instead of a leading wiggle so there's there's probably even more than he thought the problem with all of this is that the game is so realism focused and cheating changes the dynamic so much that essentially this video has goat has single-handedly destroyed the community craft an absolute bomb for this game I mean I haven't been paying close attention to it I've seen a little bit of the Fallout but can you kind of catch me up here on what's been going on yeah so first off I hadn't seen the video before it got released right and he did an interview with me which I thought he might use maybe 30 seconds to two minutes of he used the whole thing oh wow so like the second half of the video is just him and I so really you even bringing this up in the first place was pure self-promotion apparently yeah uh typical I think that was probably the wrong move um and he has said a bunch of times like if he knew it was going to blow up this much he would have spent more time working on the video Etc um but yeah it's got like one and a half million views that's massive for a tarkov video that's like unheard of um but that does mean that he's gonna have some follow-ups to to try to keep pushing on this topic and he's like had a bunch of people reach out including people from the valorant anti-cheat uh Vanguard that have talk to him because an interesting thing that we brought up on the last show is that you can't have valorent installed and cheat in tarkov because valorence Vanguard anti-cheat will detect it it's beaut which is hilarious so people from there have reached out and he's going to have some follow-up videos which should be really good but the immediate aftermath of us like leaking it and then him launching that video uh was just leaking us yeah it was actually you um was absolute Insanity first off people were spam posting it on the escape from tarkov Reddit but that Reddit doesn't allow like cheater POV videos which kind of makes sense so they were Mass deleting all the posts but people were like this is very topical this isn't like someone advertising cheats this post should be allowed so there was this gigantic War there's a way on Reddit uh I think it's not technically on Reddit it's an external website but you can see what posts have been deleted by moderators oh and if you went over there I'm not a big Reddit user I think it's an I didn't know either I think it's an external site someone linked it to me wonderful Community though not toxic at all it's just walls and walls and walls and walls and walls of deleted posts because all these people are trying to force it in and the moderators are trying to force it back and it was just this crazy War um eventually the way that people found uh kind of a loophole to make sure the post could go up there was they took the clip from the land show of us talking about it because we didn't have any of the footage we were just talking about the video so we weren't showing cheats yeah so I see so they posted that and then the moderators saw that and realized they they couldn't really remove it so they just blocked all comments on the post so they locked the post but let it sit there so like clip was top of that Reddit for like quite a while um and then eventually the the war just never stopped people kept posting this video So eventually they like unblocked the first one that came in and then pinned it but I think they still locked the comments on it yeah and they had to make like an official announcement about and everything I've I have never personally seen a subreddit that on fire ever really have you hung out in the r slash Linus Tech tips one Yes actually even considering stuff that happens in there I've never seen this I've read that on fire it was crazy and then immediately after it starts getting spammed on Reddit people start spamming tarkov creators that are currently streaming the game the video trying to get them to watch it right so these people had no primer they had no warning of like what it was oh just their whole Community is like watch this watch this thing go go and then they have to start reacting to it live and that it that was brutal because like a lot of these people especially if they're tarkov creators they know there's a lot of cheating in the game yeah if they haven't seen it from a cheater's perspective and they don't know quite necessarily how bad it is they might have a pretty accurate Assumption of how bad it is yes but they've never actually like seen it right um so some of the reactions were pretty brutal a bunch of creators were like very negative about the video existing at all um and very anti goat at the very beginning yeah and then the community reaction to that was really negative so in the communities like really aggro against all these creators and then some of the creators start kind of flipping back now here's something here's something I did see my understanding is that there's some kind of of tier of participation within the the tarkov community where people get perks directly from Battle State games that are and I mean you'll have to correct me if my understanding is is not right here because I'm not super into Tarka I've only played it a handful of times with like him and Joe um but my understanding is that on a fairly regular basis they get like a lot of ammo and equipment like like they get these these packs or these drops that are quite valuable and that while they aren't a bribe could potentially put them in a position where they want to retain their their Community liaison um in order to continue getting perks so there might be an incentive in the community to kind of sweep under the rug anything that paints battle State Games in a negative light is that is that a fair understanding of the situation so this is only something that I've actually even heard about recently because I've never I just like play tarkov with Joe right so you've never really engaged in the community in that way like I I never I don't really use Reddit that often I would never really go on the subreddit like I don't really care I just played the game right but very recently before this broke I heard about that system yeah um and I do know that some creators have some like very weird levels of insight into what's going on at BSG yeah to the point where there was a post somewhat recently where they were talking about how uh certain creators were like influencing the like Dev pipeline directly and like meeting with developers directly which is like fine actually actually quite cool but it needs to be transparent as well yeah and in some ways it is totally like someone will say like Oh I'm a tar I don't know what they're called because again I have never really cared yeah um but they're like oh I'm uh whatever Sherpas Sherpas sure okay so Sherpas is slightly different okay as far as my understanding goes Sherpas are supposed to be people who like help other people learn tarkov so that's where some of the direct items came from that's what I think I was talking about so I don't know if the Sherpas maybe they do I don't know a lot about this Emissary and Sherpa Emissary is the other one w22 brown is saying in float plane chat so Emissary is where they have like direct contact with BSG got it okay Sherpas I I don't know what level of contact they have with BSG either way what we know is that battlestate games is in communication with some members of the community and that it's not always clear who is or isn't getting influence over the development process and who is or isn't getting burnt or to what degree right um and like but there's an incentive certainly for some members of the community to um downplay the impact of this of this cheating well and keep the gravy train rolling maybe even if they're not in contact with BSG and maybe even if they don't receive these well sure I mean it's kind of it's kind of like the way that Apple engages with the Press right they don't explicitly say look you're not allowed to talk about Hackintosh you're not allowed to criticize this and don't talk about this but everybody knows and Everybody Plays the game you get cut off or you well it's it's less that you get cut off and more that you will never get the call in the first place Apple's engagement in many cases has nothing to do with how many views you're likely to get I mean we'll get more views on an iPhone video than 90 percent of the people they see it in iPhone to yeah it's nothing to do with that but we're not stylish enough well yeah I in particular and I'm not cool enough to be the kind of of press outlet that Apple would want to engage with even if I was super positive about the products because I have been at times but I'm also a loose canon they know that they can't rely on me yeah to be nice about it um I might talk about their products while walking in the rain yeah yeah I I just might um so so I could see it being very much that way where there's an unspoken here's what's okay to talk about here's what's okay to emphasize and these are all no-no's so and like I don't necessarily know that that stuff is happening but it makes sense that it might be with two of them there's also other stuff where like for for some creators of any kind realistically if you are tied to like one thing like if you are a tarkov Creator and that's it if you are a ex Creator if you are a y Creator if you're Titan one thing and that thing is under attack even with no subconsciously yeah with no direct contact with no direct benefit I mean look at what happened to your job look at what happened to ninja when fortnite became less culturally relevant first like it's it's like one to one and I'm sure they had communication but even if they didn't if there was no if there was a complete gap between ninja and fortnite fortnite going down is going to bother ninja yeah whether he knows or not it doesn't matter the name of the person doesn't matter in the the subject doesn't matter if if tech because I'm a tech YouTuber yeah and I have to be bad for us yeah and even if it's even if ultimately we survive and we kind of go okay we're going all in on Channel super fun um yikes it's that's still a lot of work that's still a lot of stress that's still something that risk would be would be terrifying compared to Oh I'll just uh you know uh let's let's do uh LaserDisc uh retrospective okay yeah let's go tech tech we should do a laser disc retrospection anyway um so that that's why like the the the creators almost getting ambushed with this while they were live with no ability to watch it beforehand and collect their thoughts and figure it out yeah I think is part of the reason why the initial reaction was so strong because it might be subconscious right yeah they're just like this sucks this sucks for a lot of reasons I'm angry and I'm angry and and they should be and that comes across as hate for the video or hate for goat sure when realistically they're just incredibly frustrated and also live and maybe it wasn't channeled properly so now that people have kind of cooled off a little bit they've had some time to think about it more and stuff the community is much more float plane chat has given us some interesting stuff here uh Harry 009 says Axel did a poll about the video and 41 of respondents said they were planning to leave tarkov as a result here's one thing I will say to that though is if that degree of rampant cheating is making it so you don't want to play tarkov I got some bad news for you for like almost anything yeah because just about any game yeah probably not any better multiplayer um I I think that in tarkov cheating tilts the scale maybe more than than some other games like if I'm playing at like a team based shooter um you know really good tactics you could probably take down one cheater depending on the degree to which they are cheating like an Aimbot is not enough you know in something like an OverWatch um but on the other end of the spectrum a a ability to see through walls without any Aimbot or anything in tarkov is way more than enough yes where it's true it's like not enough in OverWatch yes and and like in Team Fortress 2 so what they can see through walls yeah it's like you basically know where everyone's gonna be anyway yeah unless they can see invisible scouts or unless they have an Aimbot but then usually you can tell if they have a name bot spy sorry yeah yeah usually you can tell if someone has a name button then you just leave the server whatever like it's exactly it's totally different levels of image so that's true but I I okay let me let me kind of pitch this question to you what does this revelation mean for the future of gaming in general okay multiplayer is it fair for me to say that it's less fun than it was years ago it feels like it I don't know if that's because of the type of are you getting old yeah is gaming changing sure or is it that rampant cheating is not fun because cheating was a thing when we were growing up sure but it was way harder yeah like now now he I believe goat said five minutes he Googled it and then within five minutes he had it running yeah because you can just you can just pay for it you can basically it's it's fire a service that will get you up and running and they have like Weekend sales and yeah it's it's a full-fledged business it's not like weird sketchy forums anymore okay so multiplayer okay single player I mean probably the only notable okay I'm trying to think notable single player experiences that have come out for PC in the last little while okay we've got your stray we've got it which must not be named we've got other it which must not be named there's two of them sure yeah the other one um single player has outside of major Blockbuster releases or your odd kind of uh low budget or or Indie breakout have been has has just been ravaged by unprofitability because how many years ago was Fallout 4 yeah it's been 12 years since the last Elder Scrolls game and and it's not like it's one of those things where we can we can point at it and say well it's because of the proliferation of mobile gaming for example or like gotcha or like pay to win pay to win strategies from game developers but a big part of that I think a lot of game developers are more passionate about creating better more enriching gaming experiences and I think it's pretty obvious that with single player games where there is absolutely no online verification and no incentive to uh to to to pay for it if you can just play the exact same experience by yourself for nothing I think it's pretty clear that they're more prone to piracy yeah so what's going to be left I don't know when the dust settles like there's there's definitely some other games but oh yeah that was last year though come on it's been a bit and I don't mean okay I don't mean last year like it was uh uh a 64 days ago or whatever I mean that was a long time ago now I think it was beginning of last year was yes wasn't it genuinely almost a year ago I think it was I think so yeah yeah Angry Birds Angry Birds will be the last game standing yeah it's rough I think my when this first happened so on the last show I brought up wanting a replay system and I still want a replay system but like in tarkov coming back to tarkov yeah I mean it helps amazing yes so that's but with tarkov the consequences of dying are so much higher that if anything I would think a replay system would push more people to quit the game which is probably why they haven't done it in in in Team Fortress 2. if you see the cheaters yeah if you see someone who's cheating and obviously their mouse cursor whipped over to you and they freaking headshot you as you barely come around a corner obviously you're mad but it's like I'm a switch class I'ma sneak up on them there's like certain things that you could do you could lose a hundred dollars like real world dollars worth of gear in in one instance and it's not like you could get it back and considering the amount of real money trading going on in tarkov that might actually be very true exactly that's what I'm talking about uh I have no idea the values are but so there's some ideas behind the replay system and how you could get the gear back one of them is if you replay and watch a cheater kill you and you report them and then that cheater gets banned you're gear from that raid could get returned to you okay so there's some ideas to make it a little bit more amicable my thing that I've more landed on now is I just think people need to care a lot more about anti-cheat and it needs to be more important and the approach that companies take to it need to be more like multi-pronged and I think that's the main reason why I want right a replay system is so that like we can help like I like the idea of the community being able to have because right now in tarkov and I think I brought this up last week say you're approaching a building and you hear someone inside and then you just randomly die yeah you might think like oh that guy's cheating he shot me through the wall or whatever maybe it was someone on a hill yeah 400 meters away that just shot you you have no idea so if you can watch a replay system it might get rid of a bunch of junk reports of people that aren't cheating yeah so that whatever developer whether it's BSG or something focus on the real problem focus on the real stuff so I don't I don't think it's going to solve the problem I don't think it's some Magic Bullet and I do think it would help in tarkov rather than invest I I think it actually obviously you want to invest a little bit in actual you know background process you know anti-cheat or whatever else but because so much of the value of an account is tied up in the items that that account holds I I could actually see um Banning players as being extremely effective to reduce cheating if you have the tools like replays that will allow the community to root these people out um I I think it would help losing losing hundreds of dollars and if they and if they can figure out a system where they serialize essentially uh you know guns and and other equipment so that they can see the path that it's following and basically just go like yeah look we're gonna get we're gonna get merciless here social credit system uh if you are if you are trading with cheaters regularly you will be banned so they've actually started doing that yeah apparently they said in an AMA they're working on a replay system as well oh that's cool yeah uh okay so we'll get to things they've said in Asia's in a second um but oh what was I just gonna say oh right they they have started Banning and this has actually happened to a bunch of content creators because it's there's there's this thing called viewer kits so it's you you enter a raid with nothing on you so you enter a game with nothing on you and you join in with a viewer and the viewer dumps a bunch of stuff for you but you don't know like what it's going to be and then you pick it all up and then usually you kill them and then you have to survive the rest of the raid with whatever whatever they gave you and usually it's like pretty meme sure like they'll give you like one bullet and like 30 flashbangs or something and you have to like try to figure it out and but sometimes they'll be like really baller kids but you don't know right it's coming in right from here sometimes the people giving you stuff are people who have cheated or engaged in real money trading or rmt yeah stuff in the past and BSG has started Banning certain creators that have had that interaction happen because they're trying to ban people that play with cheaters or people that interact with other rmt type systems and stuff and that has gotten really muddy because some of the creators are like well this whole viewer kit thing was allowed for like years and dropping things for each other has been fine forever so like now this is bannable right but then it's we're asking them to work on getting rid of cheaters and this is one of the ways to do it I've even said on wancho like people should start games should start Banning people that play with cheaters yeah but then it's an issue with tarkov because tarkov has those open lobbies you've seen them yeah random people right yeah yeah so like if you can invite random people they can't have that as a mechanic in the game anymore but you're going to ban people to play with cheese well it's okay to play with them just don't take any equipment from them so that's but then that needs to be communicated and like and that's going to be tough and it's adding I mean if there's any community that could probably work around and do the research to figure out this kind of Arcane probably fair enough yeah I mean tarkov is the gaming equivalent of having like the most tedious job ever as far as I can tell do everything for him and he still thinks that brutal it's brutal like even just the inventory management okay so you got look at this okay so you got some med pack or something that takes up four inventory squares and you've got some bullet or something that's sitting in one of otherwise for blank inventory squares if I take that med pack and I just drop it there it doesn't just grab the bullet and put it in my hand and leave the med pack so that I can rearrange it just won't put it down and I'm sitting here going literal actual Diablo one had that quality of life mechanic where if you dropped a large item onto a space that only has one item occupying it it'll just put the other one in your hand Diablo one 1996. pretty rough so okay so Nikita or the I believe coo and like Maine outward Communicator sure from BSG the developer behind tarkov yeah um has started communicating a lot since this happened the first reach out was six days ago in a Reddit thread called hackers cheaters and other related scum of the Earth deplorables he posts a bunch of stuff which all sounds really good except people noticed immediately that he had made basically the exact same post not only two years ago but also three years ago and they were like borderline identical like they're so similar and people pointed out on your screen right now uh I can show the so this is the comment that I saw yeah you can show my screen this is the comment that I saw from Lis in l-i-i-s-n who posted the two years ago and three years ago threads and this is the thread from uh Nikita or train Fender I don't know that uh that talks about the things that they're gonna do for anti-cheating here's the three years ago post which is like extremely extremely similar and here's the oh this is part two that he posted part two is actually significantly more interesting and he has communicated in like an AMA and a bunch of other type of stuff in ways that that seem pretty good if they actually do the stuff and it hasn't been enough time for them to really actually do anything right because like it takes time to develop stuff so I'm not sitting here imagining that they would actually be able to act on a lot of this uh that quickly they've tried doing some stuff very reactionary but it's mostly changing like properties and parameters and different items like things that wouldn't take that long because it hasn't been that long um but yeah reaction to his first post was super negative but then he's kept communicating since then and refined on things and then it's gotten more positive and the communities just going all over the place yeah pyro pinky uh points out that battle State game's needs cheaters to help fund development Dr Lupo apparently has a great clip on why it's happening and will keep happening I mean it's uh it's a very similar if I if I had to guess I haven't actually watched it yet I haven't even read the comments under it if I had to guess I'd say it's very similar to the way that valve um you know is really doesn't like you know Cash Cash sales of skins and and everything else but functionally does nothing to actually stop people from gambling on them and spending money on them so the Target because without cash it's it's like anything without a cash value it doesn't have a value there is no actual intrinsic value to any digital item it has to have a cash value so as soon as you completely shut down people's ability to trade these items through some kind of marketplace you destroy the value um now I don't know if Dr Lupo makes some other different points about it but that's that's a very sort of basic overview of why it is in a game developer's best interest for people to exchange real world money for skins and in-game items there's there's no other like Financial trading through tarkov though there's there's an argument that has been made um that these cheaters get banned a lot I believe Nikita made some posts saying that they they banned over like 4 000 cheaters just over the weekend okay in a weekend I guess that's a lot some things to consider there is they may have made their parameters a little bit more aggressive in response to the video so it may have cast a wider net and that may have been a one-time increase I don't really know I haven't read all of his posts and all that kind of stuff again I'm not even playing right now so like my amount of care is not the absolute highest sure um but so it really is just about you getting more exposure for yourself in this video no one as far as I can tell no one even watches and that's why it should it should not have been in there I get it oh my goodness I didn't even know it was in there anyways um okay so there is technically Financial reward for them yeah if the cheaters keep buying accounts that is technically true now there's some questions as to whether people are buying them at full value because I don't know if it's still a thing but I know for a wine market you could you could buy them you could like VPN into a different country and buy it in that local currency and it was way way cheaper um but still resell those accounts at the volume that people are buying these accounts so it's going to be a pretty substantial amount so the argument then is that they want to ban cheaters to continue to get more account purchases but they don't want to bend them too well because they want them to be able to make more money than they're spending on accounts with battle State because if they're if they're cheating in order to rmt they need to make enough money to pay for the account and make it worth their time so this is an argument that has been made that would be some very impressive 4D chess if they were able to balance that perfectly I mean look at it doesn't even need to be perfect though I I I I I don't I don't know I I could see it I don't think it's 4D chess I could see it being an incentive to not want to invest way too much more yeah I don't think it's a matter of 4D chess like like Min maxing their investment into anti-cheat I think it's more about minimizing their investment into anti-cheat just focusing on others yeah so the threshold is not set by whether these guys can stay profitable that's a happy accident the threshold is set by just account sales and a real player attrition um where people are not playing the game anymore which which would hurt the value of the real money trading yeah so right so it's there's it's a different it's a different like formula but we end up with the same result I guess is what I'm trying to say which is that they are not investing enough into anti-cheat I personally don't believe they're investing enough into any cheat I don't think there's any way to prove or to state that that's the reason why if that makes sense like we have no idea maybe it is maybe it's not I think it's a very dangerous game to play if that is the game that they're playing yeah um what I suspect is they just don't find working on anti-cheat very interesting because as far as my understanding goes working on anti-cheat is insanely difficult right and it's not very publicly rewarding right unless something like this is going on sure so something like this is going on work on anti-cheat post your numbers and people are going to praise you and come back to the game but if something like this is not going on if nobody's angry about cheaters then nobody's talking about anti-cheat and working on anti-cheat doesn't bring you any benefit to your game right so no Revenue I could see yeah I could see it being more based on that sure because if if there isn't and there's a lot of problems with tarkov so if people aren't screaming about cheaters right now well you have like one of the biggest desync problems of any shooter game um right should probably work on that you have tons of other issues that like Demand work there's lots tarkov is so wide scope that you could watch like any tarkov Creator talk to anyone who plays the game go on any Forum that talks about anything and see suggestions in every possible direction that are great the the potential backlog for this game is insane right like you you talk about how complicated some of the systems are they don't have to be that complicated to have the same depth right like gearing up before a raid is always super annoying what if you had you guys seem to enjoy it it's sort of sick to watch I feel like I'm like watching your like your like private enjoyment time you know the way you guys will sit and Tinker with your different Blitz and your different magazines there's definitely a perverse pleasure there okay sure but if you love how much you hate it and then like put it on a mannequin so that if you die with your buddies you just like grab the mannequin stuff and it just all automatically goes on your character so you can jump back in the game right you could spend time setting up your stuff when you're not actively playing which you definitely do enjoy yeah um then that would be great that's a feature that has been recommended I think that would be awesome it would also take development time development time is expensive and development time has massive opportunity costs because they could work on other stuff so like I think anti-cheat is just an unattractive thing to work on when people aren't mad about it that that I think is is probably more real than them like gaining money from the the sales to cheaters um but but I don't know so so yeah it blew up and uh you know great work great work go on the video If you guys haven't checked it out definitely worth a watch it's a bit of a longer one um in no small part because there's so much of Luke talking in it but uh yeah definitely worth checking out here's his channel and uh you can you can really see the the impact of this the virality of this video thirty four thousand one point four million 550 000 from four days ago oh hey look it's us hey hey nice anywho why don't we move on to our next topic today which is the millennial pause yeah I am getting very tired of articles that just kind of talk about the differences between Boomers and Millennials or gen Z is is working differently in the workplace and here's the things that are special about gens I'm sitting here going like it just kind of hurts my brain because because you're a millennial I think we all I think we all learned you know very very young that generalizing just putting people into into buckets like this uh is is not constructive I think that you can definitely have conversations about you know what the impact was of of a particular generation and of the the lifestyle that they LED in general I mean I think you can you can look at the the the wealth the the the the the numerous uh or just the the sheer scale of the baby boomer generation and the amount of of wealth that it captured and and continues to hold the power that it captured and continues to hold and you can kind of go like yeah they they were extremely influential but to kind of go you know okay Boomer essentially um and to and to be dismissive of Boomers like I've met Boomers that are anywhere from completely technically illiterate to being the people who literally invented the computer technology that you and I all enjoy today the internet yeah right like that that that basically all Boomers right just by and all of this development was happening and how how old that generation was and in the same way you know I'll run into Zoomers that are anywhere from computer Whiz Kids to kind of me going did they have the internet when you grew up you know like I couldn't you have just Googled this I don't know yeah well why are we having this conversation anyway one of one of the dumb I guess I made the mistake of clicking on too many of these because I I am interested particularly in sort of uh office and and workplace um accommodation and a few of those yeah yeah exactly like you know management techniques and that sort of thing and a lot of them are really focused right now yes on Conrad said in chat I'm a Zoomer I have to I have to deal with him yeah so I gotta click on these articles on gen Z entering the workplace and all the ways that gen Z is different and whether it's your your quiet quitting or you're you know whatever whatever else right like whatever workplace Trends are are happening and really as far as I can tell Trends are less about what's actually happening broadly and more about what's happening loudly on Twitter or on Tick Tock yeah but that that's a whole separate conversation anyway I guess I've clicked on too many of these articles uh and I got one that I came across that just felt like the stupidest thing ever and I'm about to out myself as a dumb out of touch Millennial but I learned recently uh what the millennial pause is called is are you familiar with the millennial pause so other than you saying it before the show no I've never heard of this okay the millennial pause is a short pause before you start speaking when you're recording a video so if you were say recording a selfie for tick tock you would go okay hold on let me just open up my camera here you know well I gotta turn my selfie camera sorry I'm a dumb Millennial so my default camera position is the rear camera yeah like some kind of chump okay so I would basically go like this the thing about Luke's Shameless self-promotion in that tarkov video is that he has every opportunity to promote himself I mean he's on this podcast every week it's one of the biggest Tech podcasts in the world so I just don't know why he can't be honest with me about the reason that he's talking about this goat Creator and this tarkov thing is just what he wants more followers for his YouTube channel I pretty much promise that channel is never going to take off no matter how hard he works on it so if he needs more money why doesn't he just ask for it it's pathetic and end okay my only affiliation in that channel was this by the way all right so yeah the pause at the beginning of that okay hold on hold on okay uh stop so we go back to the beginning that pause that half a set oh sorry sorry I'll show the people I'll show the people okay the millennial not showing that pause where I blink and inhale that's the millennial pause and the the article goes on to explain that with Zoomers they will just be talking already when the video starts so I was gonna say for like a live stream would we just be mid-conversation when it starts so that's what I'm talking about I'm looking at this going I don't know how this is better I don't know that this is a generational difference as much as it might just be a tech savvy difference because I know that until the tally light is on my camera's not recording yeah but then ain't nobody got time for me to Blink and inhale I guess so what do I make of this kind of what I was wondering is like do they just edit their videos better or no apparently it is some combination of not caring and knowing the exact timing of when your device will start recording so that you are just talking the instant it starts recording so for us we would just have to not care because we actually can't know the exact time yeah well I mean I use so many different kinds of camera like as a as a Creator I well no because this is a Live Sync thing you don't know until that initializes oh I don't even mean wancho I'm just talking in general just like any video I I I promise you as as a content creator I will never not Millennial pause because it's what what I'm gonna do another take because something wasn't recording properly Jaden said in flow plane chat Millennials lean more YouTube Zoomers lead more Tick Tock different time expectations and constraints that was my understanding too and then I read an article recently yeah that showed that while they do watch a lot more Tick Tock they actually watch more YouTube than they do Tick Tock I don't know if that's real it was surprising to me it might not be legit I think it was a survey more than like an actual data based thing so maybe it's not legit I don't know but I just want to throw it out there because it's very surprising to me yeah so hawksar and float plane chat says it's that Millennials don't trust that the recording has started until they see it has started which so they just trust immediately upon pressing the button that it started which I guess makes sense because we would have grown up with far less reliable technology like I okay a perfect example of this is that my note 9 my old phone had a little stylus a little uh Bluetooth stylus that had a little button on it that I could use as a remote shutter and one of the things I liked about it most was that it meant that I could hold my phone with my rear camera facing me so I could take much higher quality selfies because I didn't have to be able to reach around and get at the shutter button or even hold it awkwardly so I you know had could reach the volume button I could just hold it in a way that was comfortable you know put the arm around the misses and and you know click click click click click click but because I don't trust technology don't move yeah did it actually take yeah no it didn't because freaking 10 of the time it just doesn't right so go get it ready again oh like I don't know it guys help me out here apparently there's there's am I out of touch or is it the children no it's the children who are wrong right like I'm trying to figure this out there's a Wikipedia article for Millennials hit me the millennial pause is barely perceptible is a barely perceptible pause that is present at the start of some recorded videos sure yeah it's basically what we've already said yeah you don't do the millennial plots in your YouTube videos because you have editors to cut it out yeah absolutely so it's just that Zoomers take an extra 30 seconds to cut the pause like is that what we're talking about yeah this is funny this is funny float plane chat this is great Ben Mitchell says I didn't even know what this was until you said it and I now realize I've been doing it on apps like Snapchat so apparently it's cringe Millennial pause Millennial pauses cringe so you just gotta trust it yeah your your age is showing Grandpa all right I didn't know if you look at professional live productions you can see the ways they accommodate this yeah actually that's that's really true they don't have a pause because they'll do five four so that you just start immediately yeah yeah yeah yeah that's fair one of the reasons we can't do that on Wan show is that our dashboard uh like our restreamer you've probably noticed that we stream wancho on more than one platform so that means because you can only have to my knowledge one endpoint in obs is that right so okay I think so so because you can only stream to one destination we have to go through an intermediary server we have to have an extra hop before we actually go live on those platforms so we go to our intermediary and then it splits out with all the different streams and all the different bit rates that are supported by the various platforms we are usually live for a while before we go live on YouTube and the reason for that is that it's like the ultimate Millennial pause you know we'll be live for 20 minutes figuring out if there's any technical issues that we need to solve uh kind of going okay yeah we're going to need to play uh audio from my laptop this show let's make sure that's working um okay yeah everything good to go all the titles are right like we'll do all of our our pre-checking while we're kind of live and testing audio levels and making sure that there's no glitchiness and when we press YouTube and we and we spool up the restreamer to go to YouTube there is a different delay that what does it depend on I actually have no idea because I've seen everything from as long as I kid you not about 15 seconds all the way to you remember that one time a couple months ago it was immediately live and I was caught totally unaware if you if you look back at that Wan show I don't remember exactly how quickly I adapted to it but if if I seem panicked at the beginning of that show it's because whoa how did it go already I was expecting to sit there refreshing the page anywhere from half a dozen to a dozen times to see that indicator go I've never bothered to look into like what's happening it'd be kind of neat to yeah have it be consistent but it's a pretty low priority in terms of development I think yeah yeah yeah it's okay um so yeah the pre-show is kind of our our Millennial pause and then at the beginning of the video because I have to wait for a refresh cycle of that page to know if the check is green I just so this is why I was saying I think the only solution it would be for us to just not care because we would have to be mid-conversation and then you notice that it's live and then we go yeah that would be the only solution I think that's a problem that needs a solution though yeah yeah you can just be Millennial pausers I think are you technically a millennial I think so it would be like barely though right what's the what's the I don't know the cut off who cares well that's the thing right is it's all arbitrary yeah I think though that in this case it doesn't it but 2026 so you got to be 26. so then yeah you're definitely a millennial I identity at the very least yeah I've always liked anytime I see anything that's like Millennials have ruined uh uh plastic bags I don't know um I'll be like yep that's probably me I don't know I always just any article that talks about Millennials I just assume it's my group I think I'm a pretty bug standard millennial yeah yeah Millennials are apparently killing drinking is one of one of the new ones um so oh yeah that's us Millennial stereotypes okay let's let's have some fun Millennials are lazy I mean wouldn't you be if you didn't have to do everything manually just because you walk to school you know uphill both ways doesn't mean I should do it yeah it's supposed to be better right isn't that the whole idea it's supposed to be better things are supposed to improve yeah like now it's only uphill one way that's good my mom did this thing where she got rid of her microwave because it was like it was it making something dependence on you know it was like too convenient and blah blah something I'm sitting here I'm sitting here going like you're gonna have a microwave again in less than six months I can guarantee it sure enough I was 100 right about that oh yeah oh yeah yeah of course they have a microwave now and anytime I bring it up it's like the subject is very quickly changed again which I really enjoy because I I was I don't know I I sometimes I can be a very direct Communicator I was extremely direct about that when I was like that's really stupid so you're just gonna take forever to heat things up for for what I mean do we are we even going to talk about the fact that you're like burning fossil fuels in order to keep things up on your gas stove probably not properly ventilated whatever like it might be but probably not yeah like microwave is just plain good um yeah okay Millennials are technology obsessed yeah that's right it was we just better the internet happened like while we were growing up that was a big deal well we're uniquely positioned to see the before and the after right like when I was in grade two I still remember this stuff like you know how you can have like little Snippets right is Valley speak like Valley Girl speaking here no it's not but like you know how you can like have these little Snippets of memory or like like little flashes you know like you don't really remember it but it's like I know I did this report on boa constrictors sure why do I know that yeah it was in grade two and and I I can almost see my terrible illustration on on the cover of my duotang you know right and I still remember the layout of my Elementary School library and I still remember where the encyclopedias were yeah and the other reference books we did book reports from books like on non-fiction topics right and by the time I was in grade it's like if someone else had the encyclopedia that you needed because there would be like the encyclopedia would be a whole shelf yeah because it would be all alphabetized yeah and if they had the letter or whatever that you needed you just have to wait or my school had several encyclopedias only one relatively current so you could see if you could find any information in the older one yeah yeah other than that you were pretty much boned then I was in grade four five six when and Carta you know an encyclopedia on CD-ROM became a thing that you could have yeah then you fast forward just a couple of years later and when was Wikipedia founded well you look that up apparently 2001 claims that uh Millennials are people born from 1981 to 1996. okay so then Wikipedia came along by the time I was in high school Wikipedia was a thing was it perfectly trustworthy of course not is it perfectly trustworthy today of course not but it's certainly it is certainly a better place to start than cracking open a Dusty Tome I will promise you that right um and then and then we lived through the the move from text to multimedia to video right so we've kind of video move was like kind of messy because people think of it now as these like centralized things like there's okay there's YouTube there's I guess Tick Tock there's Facebook with video there's Instagram with video but not at the beginning of video on the internet it was just all these like random sure yeah like CNET with sure but even even like think about Justin TV before twitch yeah like it was just a weird janky website that happened to support live video like it was not it was not corporatized it wasn't clean well and it wasn't organized no a lot of original video viewing new grounds you would just download it you couldn't even watch it live you'd see all these thumbnails and you would download the whole video where did people even watch like pure Ownage you know yeah I think you had to download I think you had to download it and like the Numa Numa video yeah yeah you just had to download that I'm pretty sure yep like it was it was a very it's and people would share people would share stuff through just these like insane email chain letters that you would just see like forwarded like a million times I never that was I was not on that train that was an okay Boomer thing for me for sure yeah for sure okay uh Millennials are more socially responsible um well the word more is important I think that I think that when it comes to Mindless consumption I I definitely noticed more of it with my with my elders yeah so is the is the more compared to like I love I love my family but my Boomer relatives the way that they just buy like the dumbest and just don't understand why I don't want it I feel like that's a frustration that I share with a lot of my peers Gen X is 1965 to 1980 and I guess Boomers before that yeah from 1945 to 1965. in my experience from yeah from my experience Boomers definitely a lot of mindless consumption Gen X not so much had a lot parents not a lot of mindless consumption yeah okay I mean it also I mean but that's the thing is right these are generalizations and there's always going to be individuals for sure there's always going to be Alternatives I know plenty of Millennials that just mindlessly acquire oh yeah just acquire yep I mean certain friends of mine go through that transition of like where do they get their source of Happiness okay it's like sports or hang out with their friends every day or whatever in high school or whatever it is and then they get a job they stop hanging out with their friends they stop playing sports and now it's just like buying things or like drinking alcohol or whatever like the the source of Happiness shifts and for some people it goes to retail just retail therapy yeah I heard of that yeah um Millennials are job hoppers I mean I can't say that's been a thing for me but I think in terms of generalizations that's probably a truer a truer Trend I know a lot of people that do but like let's look at the way that the landscape has changed in terms of the workplace I mean Boomers enjoyed by far the best worker protections of any generation as far as I can tell we went from uh essentially you know a free-for-all right like realistically there there were there were two enormous Global conflicts in the in the 20 years leading up to like 25 years leading up to the baby boomer generation scarcity was was a a huge thing and you basically did whatever it took um forget forget about you know protections there was you know it was also the Great Recession Yeah well yeah well when did the uh when did the New Deal when did the New Deal kick in what was that Roosevelt I can't remember so we're talking about this from a North American perspective obviously right um but you look at the at the at the trend towards like Union employment in North America and then away from it as we're going into now just about the least Union thing ever which is would be the gig economy and gig economy has been sold as a positive thing but I I patently rejected I mean we had we had a lot of conversations early on about whether Linus Media Group would take on contractors for example which is quite common in the in the production industry you you would you just hire contractors for your projects and then at the end of the project you cut everyone loose and then you bring on a new set of contractors some repeating some new uh for whatever your next project is and I was like well no we're never going to be structured that way we just need to make sure that our pipeline is consistent enough that when we need them yeah when we hire people we bring them on full time and they have the the benefits of being employees but I would say that for many Millennials it's probably not a choice to be a job Hopper like if you don't have if you don't have the protections um and my brother used to drive truck for this so yeah in Vancouver there's like some people refer to it as Hollywood North there's a lot of film done in Vancouver and my brother used to drive he was a Teamster so you drive trucks he would do who do whatever for for the movies and uh he did very well for himself he did a really good job so it was fine but uh it was a contract position there was a union but he was still a contractor under the union so he'd work a movie or a show and then it would end and then see you later maybe he'd have another job lined up maybe not yeah who knows it's again he did well so people would request him so he did fine but like it's a little sketchy you know so yeah I mean I think yeah you could probably make that generalization but it's also I don't think it was a choice I think if we could just be lifers at one company and have that actually work out fine yeah then that would be great there's also been a trend of yeah needing to hop for for like compensation increases livable income yeah big reasons yeah because you look at the way especially at the very low end the way that compensation has scaled relative to living costs yeah it's ridiculous we got a hop trying to grab that it's also Jaden pointed this out and I think it's going to be off my screen so I don't think I'm gonna be able to quote it perfectly I'm sorry um oh no it is he said this is the age of the side gig so we went from one person being able to generate a comfortably healthy enough income for a family of four yeah to two people needing each of them having full-time jobs and side gigs to barely scrape by like it uh it's been pretty good and then there's the next generalization our sense of entitlement I mean I think that feeling like you're owed something when you look at how things you know man uh how like impossible it is to buy real estate if possible it is to own realistically anything every time it trends like Boomer Senator or you know Boomer you know investment banker or whatever uh guesses how much houses cost oh yeah and the values like yeah not not I mean groceries not so much because that's a question of inflation whereas housing costs are not a function of inflation the reason why eradication the groceries one is yeah you'll sometimes hear uh the question asked of what costs of living is so they'll say like oh you probably have to spend this much on your on your rent this much on your food whatever and the food number is always like bro I would feed an average person for like a week not a month like I have been I I am in a very um I say sorry I sent Linus a picture I don't even think it was that long ago yeah because I was buying this like package of chicken surprise surprise um and it's the exact same package of chicken from the exact same store that I've been buying it from Forever it's and I I don't remember the year Gap but I think it was like five or six years something like that and it was exactly double the price I that's crazy I am in a very privileged position where I don't have to think too much about the cost of groceries and so for many years I didn't look that closely because I you know especially before we had a bigger family it just wasn't that big of a deal as long as we weren't eating out too much it was fine it didn't really have to think about it right yeah even I am noticing it's it's it's it's it's just it's mind-blowing I saw a little I saw a little pack of raspberries yeah they're out of season sure I saw a little pack of raspberries about this big by this tall not even the Deep one okay pack of raspberries yeah the shallow like tray it was over ten dollars at nesters Market 10 dollars yeah it was like 250 grams of raspberries I left save on with three grocery bags and it was like 160 bucks I was just like oh man and like yeah they were fairly stacked full whatever whatever but like damn I don't know the commodification of real estate does need to end um and then the last stereotype Millennials are praise hungry I mean doesn't hurt yeah all right you know what I'm okay I'm okay with being a millennial yeah give me my avocado toast it's actually pretty good I know I never like gotta get tuna and cheese too though I like tuning cheese on my avocado toast my uh my partner made some for me and she had like red onions on it along with the avocado and like all this other stuff sounds expensive and I was I was pretty sold it was actually like probably pretty expensive yeah yeah man we went out for dinner that was really expensive okay I have the biggest problem was it wasn't that good like look I've got kids okay I don't really I don't really go out anywhere other than you know stuff some food in your face and feed your brood kind of places you know what I mean so well yeah we'll hit the IHOP or whatever yeah but we went to kind of a like a mid-scale place like a little bit nicer than IHOP but not like uh you know Gotham Steakhouse or whatever you know like just not too crazy like but it's like a nice enough yeah and it's still like chain or whatever though and like what was my entree like 26 or something like that yeah and it wasn't even big no it was pasta yeah it was past practically free just fill the plate it's like cheaping out on the rice yeah yeah mine was really expensive too it was it was like I don't know I would in that case I would have been more happy if I thought it was the better but it really wasn't that amazing um yeah people I mean we were talking about it while we were there too and it feels like the relative cost of groceries versus restaurants I feel like groceries has gone up sharper than restaurants have because like if I compared I just haven't eaten out enough so it's hard for me to know well because I was thinking about when we went to dinner when I was at the grocery store and I was comparing some of the costs of the things that would have been included in my meal and I'm like yeah that was really expensive also they didn't really make a ton considering someone had to cook all this and it had to be served and we took up space in an establishment and all this kind of stuff yeah there's not that many people in here so you know rent has gone yep so like all these different factors I was like wow I really they they didn't hose me here like yeah it just is really expensive yeah I don't know what do we want to talk about next Olympics of Esports yeah wait did that phone what's the game on it ever make its way to us Dan did you get it oh and show writers said there it was said there was a phone if wait are you still here oh do you do you hang out during wind show now too but you just you hide over there oh okay uh we'll introduce when show writer once uh the probation period is over but um assuming everything goes according to plan but I think it's time for us to talk about the Olympics of Esports the Olympics not only that the Olympics is getting Esports the Olympics has declared their first ever competitive Esports competition and honestly when I saw that title I was actually a little excited because I was like you know what it's taking some of the Olympics is a horrible horrible organization or the the I ioc or whatever yeah is a horrible organization and you should have known immediately as soon as they were involved that it was going to be terrible this is on you my naivete assumed that they were gonna do some like really informed things with this um they freaking didn't at all the list of games to be included in this competition lacks things that you might expect like counter-striker DOTA legal Legends or rocket League my initial reaction they don't have rocket League no well why would they what they don't have Dota or League of Legends no I have actually not looked into this oh no wait so they don't have actual competitive Esports so insanely worse than you could possibly imagine okay because I assumed it would be terrible and therefore didn't look into it it's so you actually know more about this than I do yeah my initial because the way that I've always thought they would do this is they would include things that are not necessarily that relevant anymore like maybe wait hold on wait hold on we'll get there hold on no I can't now you understand why this is a main topic wait yeah no yeah no yeah no okay we'll skip my anecdotes we'll go right into it no no do your anecdote okay okay so I I have always imagined that they would do this in a in a kind of weird way they would pick games that aren't necessarily super popular anymore because if you pick Dota or League Starcraft 2 they're gonna rebalance it right sure and it's gonna be a problem so pick like StarCraft one oh I see they're not patching that game anymore it's fixed sure right and there's a lot of skill involved very specific skill involved that you could kind of measure and people could actually be better at each other maybe like I don't know maybe not CS go but like csgo is currently under development you know like like a pure skill shooter or something like that and like there's problems with that oh my goodness 1v1 me Quake three let's go yeah so like it would it would be interesting that's maybe a way to approach it right maybe they do go with the current Generation stuff but then it becomes an issue which one do you pick Dota or leak there's gonna be a massive war about that and how do you balance this idea that people are actively like it just becomes weird commercially what they decided to do was the absolute worst possible option out of everything that you could have possibly imagined I don't think that anyone could have guessed what the is Tic Tac bow well it makes sense that you've never heard of it because uh is there a list of all the things that they picked so there is somewhere yeah Dan do you wanna do you want to jump on the uh the Luke camera here maybe and I can play some Tic Tac Beau for the people well while we get this going I want to see the Olympics Esports page really quickly enter the arena yeah here we go Olympic Esports Arena mode okay I'm joining Arena mode what the devil phone is this my goodness it's an absolute brick okay doesn't matter Twitter post I just want to see the list of the categories so I pay I pay to enter the arena but then I can win a prize if I win it's plus 20 if I lose it's minus eight oh my God my slots for loot crates are currently full and you will not be able to earn new crates you can still earn trophies oh my God okay air Arena 2 lion City searching for opponents uh all right I have strong wind resistance stats here uh Dan are you having a hard time finding the focus button over there it's locked okay cool thanks Dan okay it is my turn what do I do oh my goodness what did I just do I don't even know what just happened I don't know how to play this oh what the oh what the crap uh so I'm almost out of time or something or like do I let go or hey hey you got the top middle one oh time for the other player to play this tic-tac-go tic-tac-toe game that is apparently in the Olympics what it just goes exactly where you say what the crap uh okay so you just yeah it just it there's it doesn't even drop off what the heck is the point of this amazing I mean I've played tic-tac-toe games at like Castle Fun Park that are kind of like this like have you ever played like basketball tic-tac-toe like where you so you have to sink a basket I can imagine to get that to hit the thing right um apparently there's a little bit there's a little bit of drop there's not much because I am nailing this even though I've never touched this game before well maybe you're just an Olympian oh okay so you can convert someone else's thing to your thing okay okay so that's neat but then I guess I just need to do this oh oh hello buddy Okay so but then they still get to go oh no I won no why would why on Earth would they have shot that future Olympian Linus Sebastian yeah yeah milk fantasy was defeated okay so what a username so that's archery but there are more sports right the sports that they chose were archery no baseball no chess Now cycling yes sure fine cycling which is one of my favorite ones we'll get into that in a moment dance Motorsport sailing and Taekwondo and tennis all of these are represented by video games as you would expect some of them are please tell me tennis is Wii Sports I honestly when I first I'm ready I assumed it was all going to be re-sport Wii Sports tennis is apparently tennis Clash Taekwondo is a game called virtual Taekwondo sailing is a game called virtual Regatta okay I don't know yeah I forgot as a sailing competition okay makes sense Motorsport is just well I mean it doesn't make that much sense it's like it's like boating culture sense so it like doesn't make sense but these two line up best for me out of all of them or no that's not true one of them later on does a little bit more Motorsport is just Gran Turismo sure it's like okay dances Just Dance like okay okay cycling is Swift we'll get into why that's interesting in a second chess is just chess.com okay let's go okay okay games no how could they screw that up except no hold on and I before people get into the battle between chess apps I like and use both of them okay so relax but chess.com is the more corporate friendly lots of paid options version Lee chess is the free for everyone all the time everything is free doesn't ask you to pay for anything sure but at least it's a valid measure of your chess skill totally like that's where I'm coming at it from because that is not archery and chess.com is legit and there's no pay to win on chess yeah yeah yeah yeah so that's all fine no major problem there baseball is wbsce baseball Power Pro or sorry I will say it properly wbsc e baseball TM Power Pros and archery as we've already seen of any of this it's Tic-Tac bow well the reason why you haven't heard of tic tac Bose because it was literally just released um it had when I looked at it it had 100 downloads on the Android play store and is not on iOS so it's not a game that people have really played well I guess it's a Level Playing Field then it also has until they micro transaction the crap out of you so it also has some issues because there's microtransactions that apparently can actually give a competitive Advantage oh good rough so Olympics just becomes even more pay to win than it already was it also looks like tennis Clash at least some at least the previous pay to win was like which countries have the best you know money to pay coaches and money to pay athletes to just be athletes or to buy equipment like special shoes yeah exactly yeah so now it's just no you actually just dump money into a mobile game studios account and then you're an Olympian one of the ones so chess I think is interesting I think it's very interesting that chess is in the Olympics now um but that's kind of it's I feel like chess out of all of these it's in it it's in its own little area yeah there's no pay to win yeah chess is fine I I I I I I don't know that we needed Olympic chess I think it could have been any I think chess could just do their own championships which they kind of do already which is totally fine yeah but if the Olympics raises the profile of Chess I think that's super cool yeah I chess is kind of its own thing in this in my opinion but I could almost see it being like a completely separate event like why have just chess why is it kind of interesting if they promoted like a different form of it like Blitz yeah well I mean you've already got the you've already got the Olympics you've already got the Paralympics why don't you just have like the board game Olympics then at that point right like do it during the same period make it part of the event like it doesn't ha it doesn't have to be the Olympics yeah fair enough to be an ioc you know event mind yeah you could you could have like go and chess sure why not eventually yeah that'd be really interesting poker like I don't care yeah screw it uh cycling I don't know a ton about zwift but I just find this very funny I'm fairly certain that zwift is just like a stationary bike racing game so I'm pretty sure the esport of cycling is just going to be cycling it's just cycling indoors in a stationary position yeah I hope I chilling at home on a on a bike ripping through whatever fine maybe you're sketched out about like biking around in the rain if you live somewhere that's really rainy or whatever else because you don't want to like fall like I I don't know whatever sounds good but did we need cycling but stationary as unless as an Olympic sport I don't know doesn't seem like it to me like there's I see different categories for this right so chess is in its own kind of thing and I agree with what Linus said maybe it could be there but if it's there I feel like we should have an assortment of those games like Mahjong go all this other kind of stuff but then there's there's archery and baseball and uh what is it Taekwondo yeah and or not necessarily talking about archery baseball and Tennis where they're just like these micro transaction ad based pay to win games which are like clearly junk like why is why is this a thing and then there's the two what do you mean junk I won that archery match I I apologize future Olympian Lana Sebastian um then there's the two like these are major title video games games which is okay and just dance for dance which is like okay that's interesting I mean if you're gonna go if you're gonna go full meme like make it DDR then let's go honestly yeah in my opinion I have watched people play DDR better DDR with Fascination pretty cool because it's amazing yeah yeah I think compared to Just Dance DDR would actually be a much more interesting spectator experience especially if it was like almost like a gymnastics based you know how they have to like pick what moves they're gonna try to do beforehand so and DDR you could be down to the execution I'm gonna do like a multi-pad so I'm gonna like dance across these two pads at the same time like like try different difficulty ratings and then you have like kind of I think you could have like it could be cool a touch of subjectivity like or not subjectivity but like you could have kind of like what they do in figure skating where the there are points assigned to the difficulty of the route exactly yeah so if you have to switch pads six times that has this modifier or whatever yeah you could totally build a system for that that would be there is a hundred percent a way that you could do Olympic dance that I would Olympic dance is an esport but just dance would be interesting come on probably not it's I mean the tracking's not even accurate enough at least with DDR there is there is there is a clear there's a Precision to it yeah you know there's a there's a way to measure objectively how close to the desired result the participant got you know yeah I there there are people who are at Master Level of DDR that I don't care if you've never seen DDR before I don't care if you don't care about dancing games I don't care if you don't care about Rhythm games whatever it is genuinely fascinating to watch them just like rip on like these insanely High difficulty um songs or in very difficult ways or whatever else yeah and they always do that thing where they put their arms behind them on the bar like if I genuinely try to do what this person is probably gonna do once again into more difficult Parts my legs are going to twist up and I'm going to fall over like there's no I'm never gonna get this done I'm not I I couldn't even touch any of this already and you're telling me this is the easy part oh are they doing two pads yeah yeah like what the Buddy's on two pads two pads let's go like that's insane and then having like a competition of this sure yeah where people are trying more difficult more difficult things like yeah absolutely um so yeah there's there's the the Jank pay to win games then there's the like major titles that uh Gran Turismo that doesn't need to be the one there are extremely high level racings Sim grade games Gran Turismo is more sim-like I get it sure then somebody but it's not as semi as something like a project cars or something like so like it being Gran Turismo makes me ask like what was the goal because it's kind of like F1 it's almost in the it's yes it's leaning more simple but it's in the middle it's not Arcadian it's not City yeah like you could have gone with like Mario Kart and just had it be like totally awesome racing sorry not project cars eye racing that's the one I meant yeah so sorry I'm not I'm not into the racing game scene you could have gone eye racing you could have gone Mario Kart they went yeah but they went like here like any one of those three F1 iRacing aceto Corsa sure sure I don't think I would have blinked it any one of those nope yeah but Gran Turismo a little weird like why don't you just go Forza at that point why don't you just you know what why don't you do just like cruising USA I'd be I'd be way more interested to watch a cruise and USA championship that'd be kind of a Ridge Racer yeah um so and then there's cycling where it's like literally it's it's quite literally just cycling it's this like I hope the person who wins whatever equivalent distance of race in actual just real actually on a bike outside whatever just gets two medals for it just also wins the zwift one I really hope that happens that'd be very funny yeah smash smash again this is no disrespect for people who race zwift and I know that there's people that do it actually quite seriously that's cool I'm not down on that the only thing that confuses me is that it's so similar so like what's almost what's the point in it being an esport you know and then there's the last category which I haven't looked into either of these but virtual Regatta and virtual Taekwondo they're very obviously similar names they seem to be in kind of their own category virtual Regatta it's very weird okay Olympic Esports at least it's on the Play store and the App Store in short I don't know what am I looking at here what is this the sun this is on Instagram okay so virtual Regatta it looks very old I guess it is a mobile it's a mobile game yeah okay so you can change your sales okay let's go it's time to buy some gamer time micro transactions let's go okay I can't even I can't even I don't know it's micro transactions for a fact do you have any actual gameplay footage you butt heads oh man they want us to click on float plane chat wants us to click on the Taekwondo it's like connect simulators they say connect simulator you know like Xbox Connect yeah yeah yeah okay virtual Taekwondo Invitational event we need a console it's an indie Indie console okay I see and the Olympics is going to be in Singapore oh I see okay okay okay so this is a whole this is a whole rabbit hole then the the company that makes virtual Taekwondo has this Indie console that was kickstarted but you can't actually get it that has some kind of okay where I've got uh I've got some footage here and it's the same company that makes that stupid Tic Tac bow game yeah so what am I what am I looking at here is this it are you sure first virtual Taekwondo International Championship 2020 I don't think this says instruction I don't think this is it what the heck am I looking at here I don't think the right thing where's virtual where's virtual Taekwondo Olympics Taekwondo okay I gotta click the thing but yeah it's the same Singapore based company and then the Olympics are going to be in like Singapore or something so it's a whole it's a whole thing all right I'm on their site now I'm on their site follow the glory of virtual Taekwondo okay watch now what what am I looking at here guys this is live this is live we're reacting we're doing what we can gymnasts what is this what does this have to do with anything no no no we're not oh I don't need it no I don't need an Olympics their player took a long time we should try to sell uh yeah they should use float plane yeah what is their site 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hijacking this pack I'm taking my camera view back yes it was Dennis all right well that makes perfect sense oh man oh that was a big one man that okay let's what was our second discussion oh my God that's not a good discussion question I disagree with both of you it's not a question it's just a statement but it's very funny uh the discussion question is Skyrim in the Olympics win I want to see the bronze medalist clip through the podium oh it's pretty good okay um but yeah there's a lot of speculation um that a lot of the titles were chosen on the basis of their close relationship to established governing bodies yeah so developers in Singapore yeah that had close relationships with the governing body in Singapore I think it's pretty clear this is all corrupt as and um we should we should we should reject it everything but the chess one yeah because like chess.com yeah all right oh we should do a couple of merch messages uh if you guys are wondering the way to interact with the show is not through twitch bits not through super chats over on YouTube it's through merch messages and we've actually got oh we've got a crap ton of stuff to announce for the store today don't make yeah those of you who have been paying very close attention will have probably already noticed our big product launch of the week hey Dan I think I need to put you back on the camera he's like I'm paying attention I'm paying attention um so the way to send a merch message which means that you're not just throwing money into The Ether you will also get an item in the mail is to go on lttstore.com and in the checkout there's a place to leave a merch message and uh one of our new items for this week the reason I'm digging this out is because I have a full one ah okay so here's my Loadout for the tech pouch it's pouch and you fill it up with tech or toiletries or tools or realistically anything else that you could possibly want to fill it with so you want to have a look at my tech pouch yeah can I open up my tech pouch for you you might want to move your water bottle a little bit poor Dan is uh you know so you've got I don't know what this is a dock that's an external USB um drive just a drive USB SSD okay yeah sometimes I'll have to copy like very large game libraries or whatever else and it's I still have my angel Bird yeah yeah so this that one's a higher capacity it's like four terabytes probably a lot bigger yeah uh he's got a I have a much bigger X than Luke and X is external SSD because it sure isn't anything else these I believe have been accessible to you for many years I don't think these are new at all no they're not new they're just headphone adapter things and my thing yeah yeah you need to go for it to dual three pull yeah just dump them on the table on the table let's go let's go what's in my tech pouch C2C lightning yep Thunderbolt Thunderbolt yeah very close uh here it is good job there's the angel I also have my angel Bird yeah I never use it it just has like some crap on it that I might need once in a while they're so cool though yeah I know I actually really like them um okay so this is an expandability thing sexy dongle yeah yeah HDMI good need for a laptop to make it less annoying to use as a laptop Jerry rig everything nice oh yeah oh yeah I even misspoke and called it a nice but I'm down with that it's pretty nice ldt screwdriver of course why wouldn't I so the tools you need all the time for everything uh my my needle nose pliers and my side Cutters would be in there but I left them at xqc's house so I asked my assistant to get me some more that makes sense sorry he's still yours that's hilarious he apparently took Dan's I love it you've got a like cap for a controller yeah like a thumbstick that was just garbage that was in my bag that I accidentally threw into the tech pouch so there's no reason for me to carry that around I mean it could be useful if someone has like a Grody thumbstick you can just cover it that's a lavalier mic holder um that makes sense yeah sprouted on the back yeah 3D printed the lines on your shirt less noticeable when you're wearing a lav mic so it's just the kind of thing I would have to carry around that no one else would tons more random cables what the heck yeah that's like an old iPhone yeah that's like an everything cable it can be like adapted so you can yeah oh I see okay pretty cool right so micro b from that's the same prong thing that Logitech uses uh that's because it's for the Logitech mouse that is in there it just happens to have that adapter on it is no someone take my mouse nope here's some lavalier tape uh yep yep yep that's the medical tape that I use yeah there's an outside zipper it uses the same YKK waterproof TM I consider them water resistant but they call them waterproof so the same YKK water resistant zippers that you would find on our backpack the same reprieve recycled water bottle material that's a two and a half gig network card by the way that you're holding yeah is this for the framework yeah yeah yeah so it's it's I think just USBC to networking so you could use this on anything really yeah but it's made for the framework yeah pretty cool that's cool to have because you could use it for your actual laptop or anything else really did someone steal my m.2 SSD that's just an external audio like sound card this thing is actually sweet because it just seems to work on everything yeah I've used this yeah yeah and it's just yeah USB to just 3.5 it literally seems to work with everything some of my tools aren't in there my uh my pin removal tool is not in there oh oh they are in there oh who put those in there oh okay that's great I don't want to really take all those out we're playing around with my stuff a little bit for the shoot but so I have like Jeweler screwdrivers and then I have like an ATX pin removal tool Molex pin removal spare like water cooling fittings yeah every once in a while you never know if you're going to need a fitting or whatever else yeah but yeah do you want to just kind of spread it for me still not that part okay that that's very awkward uh okay I want to see like the uh the little the little pockets on the outsides the oh oh like this no no oh Bob you mean this yeah on the outside edges yeah or the inside of the outside I don't know how well oh my gosh um there's okay so there's a pouch here yeah the elastic ones on the orange here there you go Pockets oh so there's lots of pockets oh there's an SSD in there now you never know when you're gonna need an SSD that actually comes up a lot for me but if you just give them a bit of a better angle so they can get there we go so there's like three pouches back here and then the other side has something similar pen holder pencil or pen holders there and then on this side there's like just a bunch of Loops yeah brother so we We Have Some Loops we did a lot of internal polling finding out what people wanted to be able to carry around with them it fits perfectly in the bottom of the backpack obviously with a water bottle next to it uh yeah it's okay we're back to the main camera now I think you've made your point but yeah it's a tech pouch really high quality materials and it's on lttstore.com and does it does it fit in a specific spot in the backpack it just sits at the very bottom of the main bag of holding yeah yeah yeah uh we've got a couple other LTT store things to discuss but people are asking for dimensions of the pouch is that not just on the store I hope it is is it not uh okay we should get that updated for you all um ah man I would look forward to that being in the product information in the future yeah yeah that'll be that'll be there very soon d by 900 D I don't know what that means man what were the other things I was supposed to say about the store Dan do you remember oh yeah what are the stickers oh they're right here yeah oh uh Dan back to the camera we have a new 2023 sticker pack so it's in the bonus bin which are the the free items that you guys can get on lttstore.com with your order we so we now have new stickers that one's really fun take that one for last let's do all the other ones first no one gets to see it we've got soon TM okay hold it next to your face I'm holding it next to Luke's face hey there we go soon TM oh oh we got the trust me bro guarantee yeah Sarah was like really really I don't need to be that yeah he doesn't need to be in Focus yeah yeah we're good we're good yeah yeah yeah we're good hold on he's got there for a second oh boy can he do it oh it's locked on your face it's locked on your face okay why do you keep putting it over there okay all right trust me bro guarantee there we go you've got LTT store Dot is it calm is it calm no one knows can't read it this is the lab yeah that's a cool reflectivy Rainbow yeah Sarah pushed hard for that design she uh she really likes it hey Flo plate stick let's go I think it's a little bit of an angle yeah nice what else you got a little retro computer cool little little CRT uh yep old school computer um oh that's a bit of a throwback eggshell let's go that's sweet all the memes from this year takes a little land show shout out for us yeah yeah very nice it's full of weird shout outs and the generic classic did you just call that the generic what would you call it LTT circle logo obviously generic Circle this is the best one though this was brilliant this was Sarah's idea I can't take any credit for it um it's blank that's actually pretty sweet so it's it's a it's a window like uh like an Explorer window and it's a tech tip so you can write any textbook you want you want yeah so cool right and based on the material I don't want to say that you could I think you can erase you might be able to erase it yeah so you could like update your Tech tip that's actually pretty sweet it's a good idea those are cool those are all good the last big update is we finally have some bloody printed shirts in stock let's go screwdriver t-shirt is back case t-shirt is back the one I'm wearing today the display um panel layers shirt is back and so is the headphone shirt there you go so we finally finally have some shirts back in stock by the way if you were signed up to get a notification when these came back in stock and you got like seven notifications let support know because we had an issue with that so we actually turned off our back in stock notifications while we were trying to solve it we're just gonna have to make our own thing eventually ah really probably why can't Shopify plug-ins not just work some of them do I don't feel like I'm asking for that much some of them do all right well at any rate um but we've had like other problems with it and it's just getting kind of frustrating at this point it's it's not like super high on the list but I feel like someday it's it's gonna just yeah all right well Hitler early Conrad's already fixed it which is good okay hit me with a couple merch messages Dan and then we'll get into some more topics and then we'll do some more merch messages maybe we'll get some get some dinner do wancho after hours no probably probably not good I think my treat we could wrap this up really now we're doing it yeah if we're gonna be here for like the next 10 hours then yeah 24-hour when she'll win yeah I was gonna say why you have a producer someone just be fed someone just beat Ludwig's record uh his like subathon record and I was thinking we should just do a like subathon Wan show where we just swap the hosts out and the land show just keeps going yeah forever the WAN show never sleeps the wind show never stops I got a question for you if I buy you dinner did you technically buy yourself dinner uh if you expense it then yeah then yes all right I got one here from Griffin hey guys starting a new IT job next week and I thought the screwdriver would be the perfect gift to myself any comment on why the tech pouch looks eerily similar to the peak Design One um honestly we started from a very different place I had never seen the peak design one until I saw people mention it in the um uh in the in the chat before the show so I was like oh I will go look at this a lot of times like there's there's people that completely unrelated like pre-internet they'll invent the same thing at the same time different parts of the world calculus I mean I haven't I have no doubt that our designers probably looked at other options on the market what is different about this one is that the layout of the inside is very much tailored to what our team requested yeah yeah um so we like we made sure that the uh so here hold on one sec and a lot of it's like the material reals involved like it's the reprieve fabric again so it's made from water bottles but I've always appreciated perfect uh personally so here's a bit of feedback that I gave them early on in the process I was like these pouches need to be able to hold like a gaming mouse not just a magic mouse that was something that we observed from um some of the samples that we did bring in where I was like this is stupid like I can't even put a mouse in this thing how am I supposed to operate without a mouse also if you have an LCD backpack at like perfectly visually matches which I think is cool I like the orange I haven't looked at the peak one I have no idea if they have like highly visible Fabrics it's probably good I've heard very very good things about their stuff everyone that I know that has bought Peak design stuff is very happy with it yep I mean that's the thing right is LTT store is not um I don't see us as like a bitter rival with anyone you know like just because we have a screwdriver does that make us a Milwaukee competitor yeah like realistically no it's it's not our primary business it's uh you know I think that we take a very different approach to merch you know I don't like calling it merch because I think they're products you know I don't think they're just merch I don't think we just still screen our logo on things but I don't think people uh like I think with some creators merch the driving idea behind buying their merch is just supporting the Creator I think with our stuff which it also sucks to call merch yeah is you're buying good stuff yeah and by the way we're building a lab yeah let's go it also supports the like vision and direction of the company and all that kind of stuff but you're you're you're buying the stuff because it's actually just really good stuff we shipped out the screwdriver and had like tool reviewers review it and it reviewed really well because we're trying to make really good stuff yeah not because we're just trying to make random merch we could have been we could have made a screwdriver a lot the shirts are like great I love our shirts and they went through a lot of revision to get to a point where they're good and yada yada yada like it's it's not it's not just like puked out merch to in order to support a Creator which I'm not even dogging on no it's just not it wasn't our approach that's all I have bought merch from creators with the sole idea of it supporting the Creator yep and I'm totally fine with that I think I only posted once didn't survive a super long time but like I was really doing it to support the Creator yeah my burnt face men um hoodie lasted pretty okay until I lost it so I don't know how long it would have lasted yeah yeah um okay two more and then get back yeah next up is from Mike love this Tech purse uh was there any follow-up to the uncensored Wan show exploded monetization or anything excited to hit five hours on Wan show tonight no no it monetization actually stayed active even though we like cussed a bunch and I was pretty surprised me too I thought it was gonna get age-gated or something but it just went that was the one that was the one where I was surprised that it was live and I got caught totally off guard yeah because I just sat there for so long at the beginning thinking I couldn't possibly have started yet I realized that it was that the show was started yeah I didn't remember it was that one yeah I remember because because I had intended to start like swearing a bunch right the second the show started because I I know that in the first little bit it matters more and so some people had commented oh yeah he probably waited because of what no I waited because my dashboard usually has a 10 to 20 to even 30 second delay before it actually goes live but it went live immediately that time and I didn't realize okay lesson for this section's from Anthony Linus what is your biggest regret as far as decisions you've made for lmg these are spicy my goodness biggest regret uh uh not taking the offer no no no I don't regret that actually I I worried I would did I ever did I ever say how much the offer was no no oh well it wasn't six figures and it wasn't seven and it sure as hell wasn't five or under yeah there's a lot it wasn't eight either so that should give you some idea yeah um I have not regretted it for a moment I I think that the timing was perfect to to take an offer um we were having an absolutely we were in the midst of an explosive it was it was pre-income from backpack and screwdriver yes but um you know we had Le we left the door open to kind of say hey here's how we're projecting that's going to go and we had had some discussions about how that offer might change if they crushed it the way that we thought they could got it um and so knowing that we were heading into a period I think 2023 2024 are going to be reinvestment periods so if we were looking for an exit um 2022 was the year to do it because we were hockey sticking like absolute crazy uh lots of cool stuff on the road map but the costs for that cool stuff hadn't started to hit us yet like building out the lab has been phenomenally expensive honestly like if you bought a screwdriver if you bought a backpack if you uh sent to any kind of merch message if you any anything yeah if you subscribe on float plane you're a huge part of of why this this vision is happening because um well because we couldn't do it otherwise it's that simple right um so if we wanted to take an offer that would have been the time to do it knowing that we were going to be heading into a couple of years that we're not going to see profits grow uh maybe even shrink right now we are we are down year over year in terms of profitability don't worry we're fine everything is fine we're still profitable but we're down compared to last year um and that's even even before factoring in screwdriver and backpack right and so because the kinds of companies that like acquire you know pieces and build portfolios are looking not just at your your like some multiple of your ebitda um it's it's what kind of multiple you get right the bigger the the growth they expect the the the the bigger multiple you might get in terms of the valuation of your company so Evita would be like your earnings before taxes something something basically like your your net income um and or your your net profit whatever whatever it is so so pretty much how much money you made so they will basically go okay that amount let's say times three or times five or times nine or or whatever it is is how much we're going to offer for your company because we will expect that it will continue to make money and we will we will make that money back on our investment over some period of time and the the more your growth looks explosive the higher that offer because you could basically argue well yeah sure you could give me 5x ebitda today but but the earnings you're going to get in this next four or five years here is going to be so much more because we're growing like this so the time to take it was 2022 and the not time to take it is 2023 2024 because I I know I knew that that wasn't going to keep happening the way that it was um you know obviously if all goes according to plan I'm going to look back at the 2022 offer and I'm gonna say well I would have been an idiot to take that because my vision was great and you know we're worth twice as much or three times as much but I know there's gonna be a lull here yeah so um so I'm so I'm in it to win it um and even if that doesn't happen there's times that I've thought you know should I have right like should I have taken the bag and run taken the ball and gone home and to to your credit if you were just financially motivated I mean you said the amount of figures right I did basically you would have been chillaxing to the end of all cool yeah with some b-ball outside of the school or whatever like that yeah so like clearly it's not just Financial motivation um I've got unfinished business I think that's a big part of it um I don't think that the team would have been happy uh there's there's a lot that we could unpack I don't think we're going to talk in detail there's a lot of different angles yeah yeah um but the bottom line is that would have been the time to take it I forget what the question was uh what's your biggest regret I jokingly pointed that out yeah so that was obviously no I have not regretted it um it's hard for seeing where we came from and where we are today how on Earth can I possibly say regret about any of it part of my I guess we might get into this later but I've been yeah reorganizing and and getting rid of a bunch of old stuff and whatnot and I was finding some old hard drives that had stashed away and making sure that I had all the data off them and basically in every case I I did but I was still sorting through old stuff and I found my like archived Forum folder oh and I found a bunch of like like when my Twitter account passed 1 337 followers I have like a screenshot of when it got exactly then I have a bunch of the screenshots from the the V bulletin days of the Forum nice um I have the screenshot from when uh wind speed and I were dealing with a certain server host that I'm not going to point out because we we were we requested an ipkvm and they hooked it up to someone else's server and then gave us the access to it so we had full direct control over someone else's server and I screenshot the communication log of wind speed and I being like guys you need to take this away from us what are you doing I've had a bunch of old stuff like that that was that was quite the the memory lane to go down the the old original design of the Forum when it finally came over to IPS like all this other kind of stuff it's very cool oh screenshots from razors like Discord competitor oh comms yeah good old comms man yeah there's it's been yeah been a ride it's been a ride you know what okay um I don't think we would have done the sponsored video on the Facebook portal or was it something I don't know there was some like I don't yeah I don't know is Facebook even the worst of the tech Giants they're all just sort of terrible um there's a lot of stuff the question is biggest regret I could easily come up with regrets yeah but for to to single something out and go biggest regret that's tough and it's that's tough regrets are a hard thing too because like yes maybe not doing that thing would have been better yeah and then advise you would have done it differently exactly with all the information that I have now would I do that differently like yeah but also it clearly didn't hurt us that much so maybe not it's not a super applicable real question because you didn't have all that information so like what and even the times that we have financially engaged with Facebook we haven't done anything that that breaches our in internal ethics guidelines like we didn't we never said anything or external ones we never said anything we didn't believe we specifically in the I think it was the quest one we did a sponsored video we specifically told Facebook look we are simply not doing this if we can't address the requirement of a Facebook account and like these things we're not going to gloss over these and we held our we held up we held the line we drew our Line in the Sand and companies are okay with that line then like yeah then from my point of view I'm sitting here going okay so you want to basically pay me to make the video I would have made anyway like okay yeah yeah I I've done a lot of those over the years sure a really good example of that was the Micron factory tour like silly micro don't come here regardless yeah they did not they didn't have to give me any money but I still I had the business team I was like no no grind them grind them put the screws to them because like I'm running a business here right I can't you have to be like I can't pay Luke and Dan in a great experience that I had in Idaho right like let me like I mean there's been some times you know what else I found on that server I don't take responsibility for the NCIX ones so that was not my fault in in November before we broke off okay not my problem so yeah it's MCX days good I have an email sent to you because as much as it was ncx you were my boss um but I have an email sent to Linus uh with an invoice and a request of like could this be paid relatively soon because I haven't been paid in two and a half months and I need money and I looked at the invoice and I remembered that I used to get paid five dollars per LTT video laughs that is not my fault actually though and I fed him he did that was out of pocket that invoice was genuinely hilarious to like read over and I would like to I would like to make another Point has a paycheck from Linus Media Group Incorporated ever been late no okay and and Dan late paychecks never never never yeah you can say if they've been late well I don't get paychecks so you know well okay yeah we do direct deposit now we used to do patreon we did paychecks for a shockingly long time I didn't want to give it up because it like costed like a dollar more or something that's so funny I remember just be like come on oh no but yeah it was it was five bucks per per LTT and if I remember that's Canadian rubles too yeah it was it's funny now it wasn't that funky then yeah I remember there was one time that Linus called me I'm sure you remember this um telling me that like they were gonna have to do something different with the taxes that were on my thing oh okay I don't remember the exact details but I remember I like freaked out I like broke down because at this point in time I was eating two meals a day and it was very often that one of those meals was a single bowl of nongshim ramen yeah uh and I was like skimping on toothpaste I was stealing toothpaste and food from my parents house when I could yeah and I was sleeping on a cot oh man somewhat illegally because my ex-roommates were renting literally a cot in the living room to me because I couldn't afford a room anymore yeah and the landlord didn't actually even know I was there was that the place you were living where there was the guy that played cod zombies and smoked pot and that was basically all he did yeah how did he have more money than you because he had a job at uh what's that auto part store that will like yeah yeah okay get a job at Lordco okay like a part-time job at Lordco like massively out earned that's what I was doing but like at that point I don't know at that point in time I was what the hell were you doing no wonder your parents told you you were an idiot for hanging around with me um I don't know I saw the vision and at that point in time I could do it I don't think I could live like that anymore me neither like I I couldn't do what we did 10 years ago yeah I know it's it's a Young Person's game doing that like now like now the game is putting up moats right yeah we're in the castle so it's like all right we have to do our best build mode to do the best we possibly can yeah to make it available so that people who can work 18 hours a day still can't make up the difference whether it's building building a team that's a moat because that's more ex there's more expertise in this building than any one person could possibly hope to have in 50 lifetimes like there really is so that's a moat uh equipment like lab equipment that's a moat you know a newcomer can't afford it right uh the business team the business relationships that's another moat because you know even if we have a rough month in terms of views we can count on those relationships and those negotiations to go kind of go hey look uh no you guys need to still pay the same rates we're going to get our feet back under us don't worry we got this right we can buy time essentially um so we're put yeah so we've we've got we've got moats but pulling all-nighters that ain't a moat that we can build anymore Jaden says in full playing chat in quotes how did he make more money than you and then in quotes again he had a job that paid minimum wage that's literally true I think that's literally what happened but I don't know I we we were communicating pretty early on about like we should take this to another level like this is not the goal the original idea was that I would work I've said this a bunch of times on the main show the original idea was that I would work with Linus four to eight hours a week and then within like a week of working together we were like uh we could crank more we could do more with this we could release more episodes we could go to a daily release schedule we could do this other thing with ncx yeah we could include this like Tech linked thing or I don't remember what was called net linked at that time net linked weekly or whatever we could start doing these other things we could start pushing further pushing more and then I kind of saw like you know what I think this kind of is the future of of media and I think we're kind of on the cusp of it this is not exactly what I thought I was gonna do yeah but like me neither I kind of want to go this route it seems more interesting and then just I was at an age where I could do it I could deal with those types of problems one of the benefits was that Linus was at least to some level okay with me literally falling asleep at the job because I was still going to school full time trying to study to keep good grades because yeah when I first started working with Linus I was like very high not necessarily top in my class I was topping my class in one or two classes but at BCIT I had a huge course load so definitely not all of them but I was doing very well in school so I was trying to keep that up and then working with you is supposed to be four to eight hours which would have been sustainable but then we 10xed it and then that stopped being sustainable very quickly so I was literally sleeping like behind the camera nothing so I would be so the biggest downtime I would have in the day outside of like literally one to three hours a night of sleeping was like I'd press record and then there's nothing for me to do for like five minutes so I would literally fall asleep in the chair yeah and then he'd have to like yell at me and I'd wake up and stop recording it was it was crazy yeah I totally do some people are asking what I mean by moats it's it's barriers to entry so it's it's competitive advantages it's ways that we can take what we're good at and compete with our strengths against what someone else's strength might be and their strength might be that they don't need sleep and they don't have children or you know whatever else the case may be um by the way Dan I do monitor float plane chat no you don't what do you say people are asking I think I I just I'm just tuning in here for a second uh people are asking about the Christmas album remaster yeah and Dan replied to someone I have decided to do something worse with it okay sir we've been through this you are not deciding what happens to the Christmas album I have decided that the Christmas album is going to be left dead and buried and then Dan goes I can't say anything Linus is here you've said enough and yes I am here and I see it how many Christmas albums did we sell last week thousands that is last week specifically I don't actually know the exact number um but I know that at as of right now we are in the thousands of totals sold and it's definitely a ton more than it was before to the point where if I remember correctly I sent you a message I think we've revenued over four grand on it minus 10 minus Tech tips Christmas album I think someone put it on Spotify and I actually don't think it was us okay someone's selling it on bandcamp like yeah I think someone pirated this and put it on bandcamp I don't think this is us I doubt it says I'm pretty sure we only sell it through the Forum yeah I give you my permission to go download the pirated one I mean we're gonna pull it down at some point so go fast but I don't pay money for it please oh a prime says we have apparently actually had one late paycheck it was by a day or a couple of days I can't remember the exact time it has been years apparently we've had one I'd have to check because that might have been that might have been unique to a prime though because I think the last time I checked with Vaughn she told me that we hadn't been we hadn't been late on a pay period if we get to 2K purchases can Dan remaster it because it's currently at 1333 well ideally no one buys it yeah that would be the best I just told you guys I just gave you my blessing to go download the pirated one we don't LTT store everything on it has to be good oh yeah it's not going on LTD store we can't there can be garbage on the Forum they want it to be a bonus bin item even that like is my version gonna be good enough for the store you're not going to have a version Dan we've been through this all right one last merch messages message and then we'll get into some topics here okay okay that sounds great uh this one's from Austin we know a lot about your house Linus but Luke what is your favorite part of your home uh yeah is it the leaking Plumbing or the uh stuffy upstairs sleeping area or the um the the ace the AC mini split that leaks if you leave it on overnight because the only time I would want it to be on could it be the um hmm let me think he's he's cat he's had kind of bad luck yeah to be perfectly honest with not a bit of a lemon [Laughter] um so just for you guys if you happen to see Luke's Place for sale at some point don't buy it don't worry you'll find you'll find some sucker to buy it Luke but if you're shopping in the Metro Vancouver area comfortable just ask the realtor hey does the seller's name happen to be Luke lefreniere and if they say yes look you guys are gonna know but no one else will know Luke it's okay you guys are gonna know if he says yes you just say thank you very much James like you have a mini split jealous don't be that jealous I can't use it I've brought in three different people to try to fix it no one can fix it it just leaks all the time it just leaks it only leaks and people like oh if you cleaned the filters yes it just leaks it's in the bedroom the only time I would want it on is when I'm sleeping meaning it's going to be on for uh eight hours ideally if you leave it on for that long it leaks it just leaks and then I would need to spend like an insane amount of money to get a new one because they're really expensive so then it's just like well I don't really want to do that well I'll tell you what if you move we will we will we will do we will do like uh cooling DIY cooling round tube let's go let's go all right so it will only cool your computer we're gonna cool the inside of your computer case with like a full-size air conditioner okay so I've wanted to do it for a while actually I'm gonna pivot us to a new topic then because I think I would need that to use what I'm currently using really the Radeon card is so hot oh yeah so we're working on AMD challenge right now so much geez even compared to your SLI setup come on that can't be right no the Dual 1080s not even close really yeah like this it might no I don't think it's the position so much so you know where it's currently mounted it's in the videos people can see it it's just like sitting on top of my computer so it does plume the heat up yeah I wonder if the directionality and then plumes out but my legs are just like cooking all the time yeah it doesn't make sense it's brutal but I mean in the other with the 1080s it would have gone outside of the case because I had the glass off I was amazed by how well heat rising worked like obviously I've known heat rises yeah right hot air rise sure fine yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah but when I tried to do that video using the mining PC for heat I just I don't know I just I underestimated just how it's gonna go away yeah like like fast so I mounted it right above the monitor kind of blowing at me with fans you know and what I realized like later was like later on in the video I don't know if it actually made it into the Final Cut but it was pretty much boomeranging like it it would not go you couldn't force it down it's like trying to push bubbles down in water yeah and I didn't realize it would be that extreme I just I don't know never really I just never really thought about it which means you haven't actually done something like that yeah you probably wouldn't necessarily realize that makes sense I just didn't really think about it and so you know one of the things that I again it was I I mentioned it in the video I don't think it made it into the Final Cut but I said what I should have done was mounted under the desk because then the heat would get trapped by the desk and leak up around me that's literally so that's what you're doing and that's probably why the case wasn't as bad because yeah if it's blowing it out the back it's probably going like straight up well and not hitting you I had the the 1080s that I had with like those triple cooler I'm trying to remember strix yeah whatever so it wasn't necessary but your but your case would have had airflow yeah I had the side of the K the the side of the case off though even then the there would be like a suction like it would oh yeah because it's the front fence that makes sense yeah exactly yeah yeah okay so go at the back yeah yeah so I don't think it I really don't think it's to do with the actual thermal output I think it's probably just airflow optimization it's definitely fair yeah uh speaking of which the um case you said case and it reminded me of this again I'm reorganizing things guess what I dug out of the the I'm going to say garage it's like a slot in the wall because I live in an apartment but guess what I don't go to the garage you don't still have your stupid aquarium do you uh not that one the really that ITX what like leftover one that you've got the two I believe it's two remaining mineral oil cases I've got them this is starting to feel a little bit predestined because you'll never believe what happened earlier this week well we uploaded that video with the tour of the lab okay and I mentioned like mineral oil cooling for some reason either it was in that video or is it no it was on a live stream sorry it was on a recent live stream someone sent a merch message asking about mineral oil cooling when we did that um that build stream and somehow a ball got rolling internally without me knowing about it where we started no where we start because I said look I think we've said everything we have to say about mineral oil if we were to do a follow-up with like floor inert or something like that you know maybe take it to the next level you know maybe we'd revisit it but even then you can't get these aquarium cases anymore because of a patent troll blah blah blah so someone internally starts trying to Source floor inert and I'm sitting here going okay that's really expensive and really hard to get yeah apparently like they just don't even make it anymore basically oh there's some there's like a newer so then the conversation somehow made its way to uh Jake Danes from the lab and he's like oh no not Florida you want this one and it's like for submersion cooling for like Mining and gpus and stuff yeah and it even there's like even a cleaner that you can use to get everything back to pristine he's clearly up to speed and it's a couple hundred bucks uh per five gallon pail which is like it's a competitive compared to florinert nothing flourner was absurd yeah was cheap relatively yeah and then this thing is it's expensive but it's not like it's closer to mineral oil than it is to Florida but it's in the middle Florida you were going to spend like thousands and so I'm sitting here going we've got cases we've got fluid am I going to be able to avoid this it's happening I'll tell you what what here's the deal okay we'll build one but you have to give me back your old computer and you have to daily drive it wow wow don't know if I want to do that it'll be top spec news spec oh yeah but it's going to be an oil I think we need to pull the audience should he do it should he not I forget how to set up polls new top spec in oil is like actually quite questionable because the thermal it won't be oil it'll be that other stuff yeah yeah yeah yeah but it's designed for gpus and thermal fluid whatever you want to call it yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah it so my comment is look at this guy just answer the question do you want me to do it because you know it's going to be terrible yeah pressure is coming from I just want to make sure that everyone understands I mean they want it for the same reason float plane chat is unanimous here of course because it's terrible what if I use it as a workstation because I'm going to be here locally again soon it has to be it has to be at home no we will do Luke personal rig update mineral oil Edition it can't even fit all my like drives is it is it the ITX one uh uh I didn't actually look inside the box if I remember correctly I have two tanks I I don't think either of them are like ATX tanks well like how much capacity I didn't it's just in the shipping no I mean how much hard drive capacity do you have currently have two very large hard drives and I have three like uh uh standard two and a half inch ssds three four okay three or four and then I have two nvmes why do you need so many drives a lot of drives what the yeah no I didn't ask if you have a lot of drives I asked why do you need them uh I save a lot of stuff you have a Nas yep I do the NASA is huge I have lots of things okay yeah no I I I I I clearly um foreign you're leaving it there aren't you yeah [Laughter] how much total space is that is a lot no each one of the hard drives is like 10 10 terabytes my deal stance we will we will load up everything you could possibly need for game storage we will load you up with enough storage for everything you could possibly need for actual local storage and we will upgrade the nas to make up for any space you lose in the desktop the Nas is all 10 terabyte drives the nas also has to be mineral oil cooled that is so dumb okay wait wait what uh so so we use both tanks it's all gonna be solid state uh well no we could so you're gonna replace 80 terabytes of hard drives with solid state drives No No we could use a pcie riser out to an external hard drive enclosure what is the boys oh my God the suffering is the point God people people no longer think you should do it yeah actually no float plane does Flo plane is ready [Laughter] no no The Naz does not have to be mineral oil cooled yeah but but we will expand The Naz to the point where what get more hard drives what it's full yeah yeah whatever I mean it's like it's I I don't have a dedicated like actually proper system it'll include an S that's fine that's fine so we will make sure we will make you whole in terms of storage that's my commitment let me even see what the state of them all right are first all right yeah you don't have to make a decision now you can be a little oh I don't know having a submersion cold system again could be kind of cool I'm a little bit worried in an apartment if there's a leak that could actually be like I mean that sounds like a Luke problem to me not a Linus problem so you know oh my goodness wow we'll see we'll see we'll see I don't again I don't even know what tanks they are if it's genuinely just one ITX tank because I'm pretty sure at least I think there's at least one ITX tank I think they're both ITX is it two itxs I think it might be I honestly don't know basically Puget gave us the last of their tanks and I think we we used the last ATX one to do the last build we did which we eventually like sold on Facebook Marketplace or something like that because we were tired of just having it around and carrying it places um and then I think you were like can I just like have these ITX ones and I was like realistically I'm never gonna do anything with these just take it and go um I mean he stole it rather is how that probably went down no no it's if I remember correctly you like didn't know what to do with them yeah no no and I was like I'll take it I was just meming with the whole stealing things from the office thing um yeah yeah so that's the deal and there's some of that I was cleaning up I found a few of those we're a lot more on top of that stuff now we have like a whole inventory system and asset tags and everything but things were a little more loosey-goosey when people were not being like paid well um you know it is it is what it is we made do with what we had there's a few things like I found a pair of headphones that I remember I got because instead of like expensing a bunch of stuff I just like got the headphones yeah there's like some stuff like that there was some loosey-goosey stuff I mean another thing too is when we were a much smaller team if you know a Luke was just like yeah I need a new Mouse uh I didn't have to worry about 98 other people coming to me and saying well what does Luke get a new mouse there's so much easier to deal with yeah there's so many old gets a little wacky things you just like it it it it really does come back to like grade school rules did you bring enough for the whole class no okay well then you can't you then we can't yeah that simple yeah um yeah if it's just ITX cases I honestly don't think I'm that I don't think I'm gonna do it you don't think you're gonna do it not really not for just an ITX but well yeah but it'll be like top top spec top species the volume of the tank top Keck ITX because they you even though you're potentially putting more in it I'd have to look at the properties of the new coolant because I know it like exists but I haven't actually planned on doing it building it I expect an answer next week oh my goodness the people expect an answer next week I'll talk to you uh I'll talk to Jake I'm sure he knows he's more up on the current stats um I don't even remember was this emergency Linus and I have this agreement from ages ago um like pre-liners Media Group ages ago um back from when I was paid less than minimum wage where he's he he had like upgraded my system I got out 40 80. 480 you mean 480 yep sorry a 480 and I don't remember what else was in there but it was like my first system upgrade after the mineral system it was in an 800d nice I got a 480. I don't remember what processor it was probably something it's like a 2600k or something it was it was like solid it was all like good stuff yeah it was a big upgrade from what I had at the time um and then I was I don't remember how we got in the conversation but we were standing outside of the Badminton Center that you wanted to go to that night because I needed a ride home and he wanted to play badminton first so I used to study I would study on the couch at his badminton we didn't actually do that that many times I think that only happened a handful of times yeah I honestly didn't care I just needed to study and there was a place to study there so it honestly didn't make a difference to me I had my laptop in my textbooks anyway so like it's basically the same thing as being home um and we had this conversation and he was basically like as long as you work with me I'll make sure that you have a good computer and I was like I'm holding you to that and now it's been 12 years or something and it's paying go except now it might turn into an oil rig which is concerning but we'll see and uh yes Linus this was a merch message okay a Prime's all upset he's like where's my oil PC come on come on I have made no such agreement with you to screw that agreement yeah yeah screw your agreement this was the the worst part of Luke's house SS Dom asks any chance of a badminton match with Stephen he for a Creator Clash or Dennis fight lick thing I really want it to happen so I'm posting this again does Steven even play badminton or are you profiling because I couldn't find any reference to him playing badminton at all I'm not putting up to a poll guys you guys don't actually get to like decide that I have to do this it's not happening oh no all right uh what other topics do we want to talk about today I also have to make sure it's like gonna be okay for the birds yeah okay yeah it should be fine like there's certain things that I like actually have to go figure out that's fine and not everything is fine right because like there's certain chemicals in the environment that'll just kill them and it's like it might not be harmful to humans but it might be harmful to them like there's I gotta figure stuff out Nokia Hypes they're super fixable phone I haven't gotten a chance to have a look at this yet but uh pocket lint has uh has an article about this let's go have a look it's pretty low spec like I think describing it as entry level is definitely accurate I will say though that we're in an era of phones where I don't think that's actually going to bother that many people it's it's pretty low spec I just saw it [Laughter] for a little more than that buddy immediately backtracks um I got down to the display and Hardware section I was just like recycled plastic rear ip52 protection uh let's talk about the specs a little bit 6.5 inch 1600 by 720 pixels 90 Hertz refresh rate you know what is that a longer conversation here would you rather have 1080p at 60 hertz or 720p at 90. with how I currently use my phone honestly 720 at 90. really yeah I think so because it's almost all like text communication I don't it doesn't need to be I don't care yeah but it's not Sharp like 720 the difference between 720p and 1080 is a lot bigger than the difference between 1080 and 1440. this is gonna be a first world problem I haven't experienced 720 on a phone in a hot minute yeah it's so maybe I don't know not great yeah but then 90 Hertz really does make things feel more responsive even when you're dealing with similar Hardware usually text communication my phone I just I'm just trying to go fast like yeah yeah and it feels feels better when you're typing um yeah that's uh that's a tough one anyway sorry you were telling the specs uh yeah unit SOC t606 four gigs of RAM 64 or 128 gigs of storage plus a Micro SD slot thank you uh what the heck is a t606 I'm looking this up tiger t606 processor entry level octa-core SOC with two arm a75s at up to 1.6 gigahertz blazing speeds and six efficient a55 chords that cores it up to 1.6 that is not a fast chip nope okay Carry On 5050 milliamp hour battery that's a big battery this thing will last for like three days on battery though 20 watts charging okay that's fine it will take a while to charge that big battery at 20 watts though um I don't really mind that if it's a huge battery it takes long to charge I feel like it might just extend the life of it because you're going to sit there with it plugged in 100 less often yeah I guess that's fair with my usage I wouldn't mind that personally I'm trying to find any sort of we deserve a poll you deserve nothing I'm trying to find any insight into what exactly makes it repairable so some of the ease of repair apparently oh oh here we go here we go uh a new battery and all the tools okay I'm just gonna read the thing so iFixit is partnering with Nokia on the creation of the g22s this phone that is aiming for a price of 170 which is a lot more reasonable uh for the spec and compared to some of the other more open and repair oriented phones that we've seen in the past it's designed to be easy to use and inexpensive to repair and iFix it will sell repair kits for the battery display rear panel and the USBC module which are four of the most common components to break in typical use and they will sell them for at least five years that's super cool but will it get software updates for five years a new battery and all the tools to replace it will cost you 30 US Dollars and it should take about 10 to 15 minutes for a typical user to complete the repair the most expensive part is apparently the touch screen at 55. by the time you're spending 55 on a touch screen couldn't it be 65 and be 1080p I got to kind of I got to kind of wonder about that a little bit yeah um some of the ease of repair comes from the fact that this is an inexpensive phone with inexpensive parts and that ease of disassembly has a direct trade-off with modern waterproofing measures however Nokia has genuinely eliminated several barriers to removing the back of the device and it retains its ip52 waterproof rating even after the back has been replaced so ip52 is not watertight but it can take the odd accidental spray of water they're only providing three years of security and operating system updates so even though you can get parts for five it's three years and I gotta imagine that three years is from launch yeah not from when you buy it so not from when they stop selling it um man I'd love to see an actual compelling repairable phone because on the one hand I want to look at this and go progress but on the other hand I'm looking at it going this is this is like this is like a half measure right yeah this is like coming out and being like um no but yeah we made a repairable phone and nobody wanted it so clearly the market has chosen non-repairable phones no the market chose the only options that it actually has and I don't know that for a lot of people this is a truly viable option what what minimum spec what it need to be for you to think it would be a viable option man you know I would have said something like note 9 but I've been using it lately just to listen to uh music when I'm uh riding on my bike and it's pretty slow it's it's slowed down um I'd say there's some arguments that people might make about planned obsolescence stuff that doesn't have to do with the actual speeds and feeds of the device but more has to do with like different certain updates that might actually intentionally slow it down from the manufacturer side ours Technica apparently ripped into it it's 39 steps to replace the screen see this is what I'm talking about like that doesn't need to be the case I yeah why doesn't it just use screws you need to hold the back panel on like why does why does everything need to be clips and and clips and glue and I don't remember what your question was I'm sorry what what would um right I would say if it's three-year-old Flagship tier performance I would consider that to be more than acceptable but I feel like phones like computers have gotten to the point where a um the improvements generation over generation are not that big anymore meaning that you can use three-year-old Hardware you know really really easily and have a really great experience with it but also B it means that the value of that three-year-old Hardware isn't dropping the way it used to yeah like you look at the way PC Hardware is plummeting right now generation over generation in terms of of price like you can get ryzen 2000 stuff on eBay for like nothing ryzen 3000 very reasonable um for a long time there when intel was releasing quad core after quad car after quad core you know the 7700k comes out and 4770ks are like ten dollars cheaper on eBay you know 3770ks or maybe 25 dollars cheaper on eBay and I feel like we're seeing that with phones right like they're not dropping in value quite as fast yeah within the software update period because that's a different kind of obsolescence I like basically didn't even realize how old my phone was yeah I only thought about it recently but like I don't it doesn't affect me the battery is still an okay enough state that it lasts a day so I just charge it at night whatever it's not the most efficient way because it hits 100 and sits there for a bit and stuff like that but it's old I'm not that worried about it at this point stuff like that um but like it's fine yeah I have some problems it had a lot more problems when I first got it but it received software updates and it fixed a lot of those problems and now it's just like I don't know I used what like slack teams and Discord that's like 90 of what I'm doing on it the the rest of it is like reading news or whatever yeah like it doesn't need to be super powerful for my use case sure maybe some other people are doing more complicated things with phones but not me so I don't really care that much but I do like get really frustrated the second it like slows down because I'm very often trying to do quick tasks since when a message replies something really quick and if it like chugs while doing that I do get frustrated so there is like a minimum level of performance yeah that I want it to be I doubt that this would be this is too low yeah yeah well that's a bummer yeah is there anything else that's critical for us to oh oh announcements I have a mock-up for the screwdriver holster yes [Music] is it like a belt loop thing so it's like a um it's like a like a click like a it's like a hinge oh okay yeah um and then it uh it it has like a clicky thing so you can adjust the angle oh that's kind of neat so if you wanted that kind of more face forward for a crossbody draw or if you want it more I have been warned that if we go hand stitched this thing could cost like a hundred or even two hundred dollars uh but the advantage of hand stitching is that if a stitch breaks the whole thing doesn't come apart so like machine stitching for leather um is it leather it's just black leather it'll be leather we're gonna go we're gonna go full grain like and and if we get it hand stitched it'll probably have to be made in North America so this thing could be extremely expensive um I don't know if this is going to be a viable product but this is the this is the initial design the cutout here is so that you can pop the screwdriver up from the bottom to make it easier to grab from the top oh wow nice yeah so you kind of pop it up and then yeah obviously that's a snap yeah I told the team I was like I want the snappiest snap like just like I wanted to be ridiculous you know what I mean yeah I think it should be silver actually I'm gonna I'll talk to Matthew about it he's the one it'll be it'll it'll um if we can find an alternative leather that is just as strong and durable we will consider an alternative leather but right now I can I I think it's probably going to be um cow cow outside her layer that sounds worse I think it's going to be cow cow it's not that I hate cows I do hate cows but that's not why it's just that leather is you know it's leather man um someone said brass for the button oh I don't know I want to match the finish of the of the silver shaft yeah so I was I was yeah sounding at listening to the cost I don't think this is really viable but releasing one that was black and releasing one that was silver yeah no there will be one version it would have been pretty sick for people that got the Black Shaft screwdrivers but yeah the costing and stuff you're only gonna have one version I think it's gonna be a low Vol a low volume and hey the people with the Black Shaft screwdriver still be silver eventually it's possible it's true what he says it's possible that the uh it's possible that the machine stitching will you know will find a place that you know the quality is like really good or whatever but it seems quite likely right now that it's going to end up being hand-stitched and that means it'll end up being probably very expensive not because we're gouging but because we unapologetically are just going to make the best products we can and if you don't like it then you don't have to buy them you can see a lot of people are into the philosophy and uh thanks Matthew L are are are really enjoying the tech pouch we've I've been kind of keeping my eye on it a lot a lot of people are into the tech poach I'll say that much yeah oh yeah yeah it's been a bit of a day for the store it's not the cheapest way that you could have a bag of said size nope not even a little but it's really good yeah there you go um can we create a poll yes we want to figure out how much of the total addressable market for lower body undergarments we're missing out on by only having boxer briefs so is this question what is your favorite yeah what's your preference boxers or briefs or boxer briefs so Luke's going to create a poll and hit up float plane and I will move on to the next topic what we currently have is boxer briefs correct yes yeah Ford is oh this is awful Ford is Seeking a patent for a new system that would allow them to gradually shut off features in delinquent customers cars like seat controls automatic locking and windows as well as air conditioning and the infotainment system after enough missed payments the card would simply drive itself away is this the most dystopian timeline Luke yeah it also sounds like so ripe for abuse I mean seat controls you could make a very strong argument for how dangerous having an improperly adjusted seat could be if you're sitting too close or too far from the steering wheel that could be a life or death issue I mean honestly ah you could say that about almost anything automatic locking yeah so okay man my my aunt had the wildest experience downtown Vancouver she's just driving and someone tries to get into some lady just like got in her car yeah like hey I need a ride here and you don't know do they have a knife do they have a gun do they have a a syringe full of AIDS like you don't know you don't know what they they they have but just just got in the car and she was terrified yeah as it turned out she drove her where she needed to go and she like got out and left which is like lucky right yeah but so someone's automatic locking is not working and then and and that happens who's liable yeah does Ford just basically go well you should have made your payments and you know fair enough right there's no free luncheon in this life if you don't pay for something you are effectively that you have stolen it um and it is it is now Ford's property and not yours but holy like it can't go down like this and like the ability for someone to just steal your car but I mean we we talk about vulnerabilities in cars all the time we talked about vulnerabilities in Kias the other day where people could just steal them willy-nilly and it took an actual extreme amount of exposure to get them to do anything about it I think it was Kia and Hyundai I think it was both you think this is going to stay secure forever what about in 10 years when this car's still on the road yeah what about in 15 years when the car is potentially still on the road that's something I really worry about with Tesla they have so many different revs of their cars like they don't have model years the way that traditional car companies have model years what is going to happen when they don't feel like dealing with the with the software baggage of all those model threes with lidar that like don't have as good of a camera system and like used supplementary lidar and uh what a pain um or anything I just ugh yeah I I worry a lot about that and and it's it's a really good point like the the automotive industry in general and to their credit Tesla has the probably the best reputation out of all of them but the automotive industry in general is terrible when it comes to maintaining software so anything where I have to trust them to do anything post purchase yeah I just I I just I write it off it doesn't exist to me potentially take your car back remotely yeah so that's not cool the technology to do this has yet to be developed apparently but it is at least theoretically possible given the current trajectory of self-driving cars and a few days after this patent was filed by Ford they announced the creation of a semi-autonomous driving subsidiary within the company the idea is not entirely new in some places it is legal for dealerships to install remote systems that beep incessantly or even kill switch the car from customers who are using credit in the event that they don't pay um our discussion question is what is the likely consequences of having these sorts of back doors I think we've kind of gone through it um Luke and I are not in favor of this I think is pretty fair to say yeah this is It's dystopian it's dystopian and I'm not using that word lightly it is this is it also a car related topic streamer has Van stolen the internet gets it back our source is Ludwig this guy yup look great hair you know fantastic that's not fair to other people to have hair that good uh anyway two days ago Ludwig announced that his prized 1997 Subaru sambar micro van had been stolen from outside the warehouse where he films after a storm knocked out the power to the electric gate Ludwig's assistant and a collaborator managed to track down the van that evening unable to acquire police assistance they entered the van only to find someone in it the man seemed confused and told them he didn't steal it but was given it by someone who owed him money he then offered to return the van if they gave him ten thousand dollars after they decided to call the police again which it's not even worth by the way yeah we'll try that route the guy took off in the van at some point he drove it to a massage parlor where it was spied by a Reddit user who had heard of the theft the police finally showed up and the driver fled on foot allowing the van to be recovered our discussion question here is that the Reddit has been obsessed with my new car and maybe it's a positive thing it's a good thing um yeah they got to know everything that you can have a little army that you guys know what uh you guys know what car I drive so that in the event that it gets stolen you can help me recover it so I've been kind of easing into it as some of you have noticed no it it was never a leak every time there were glimpses of it or whatever it was intentional I just didn't want it to be like surprise I finally bought a fancy car um so I think it made its first appearance in the heating the garage with mining video and then I alluded to what dealership it came from and then I think it I think I mentioned Porsche's infotainment system a little bit after that and then it showed up in the parking lot in the labs tour so I've kind of been I've wanted it to be another wrap on it on yeah I've wanted it to be a little bit slower just because I didn't want it to be like kind of a shock by the time people are like oh he bought a fancy car I wanted it to kind of be old news so Mission sort of accomplished but my unintended consequence has been that it's created this Intrigue like I've talked a lot about how one of the best things we ever did for our privacy was to just announce the location of our studio and put it on Google Maps because all of a sudden everyone immediately stopped caring yeah so I guess I kind of forgot that lesson and I've been sort of intentionally slowly you know priming that yes I bought a fancy car that hopefully doesn't immediately make me a complete douchebag but yes I have a nice car now so let's put it to rest once and for all uh it's a Porsche taikan uh it's 2022 um it's higher spec than I probably would have gone for but the deal was used right yeah it had just over a thousand miles on it that's a pretty sweet spot to buy you which is it smelled new yeah you know yeah um but because it was used there was no provincial sales tax and no luxury tax which is a tax that applies to Vehicles over a certain value where we are which by the way the average sale cost of vehicles is creeping up to that luxury tax because all vehicles are just expensive now they've gone down a lot I mean Tesla slashed their prices big time you see how many more teslases are in the parking lots of time oh I was going to say no you probably didn't notice because you don't work in office but yeah yeah like four people bought Teslas immediately after the price drops you see that I don't think all of them have even been delivered yet our parking lot is just basically looks like a Tesla Service Center yeah unbelievable anyway um so yes yes yeah how they got the how they got the truck minivan micro van I don't know whatever how they got that back was like actually pretty cool little Community effort so yeah if it goes missing I can count on you guys right yeah sweet yeah ooh we shot a video about this today this is super cool uh 4K upscaling for web video Nvidia just announced RTX super resolution is Now supported for users of our tx30 and 40 series gpus we were talking earlier in the show sorry we were talking earlier in the show about Moats yeah nvidia's additional technology that you get to leverage when you have their gpus is a moat yes yeah that's a perfect example um so upscaling for videos played in Chrome and Edge with support for the RTX 20 series likely to come so we'll see how that goes anything from a 360p to 1440p plus video is supported and can upscale up to 4K 4K app scaling was previously only available on nvidia's Shield TV and not for high refresh rate video and it didn't go as low as 360p RTX VSR that's what they're calling it uses AI upscaling to sharpen low resolution video while removing compression artifacts uh This is Wild I'm not going to spoil the whole video it's definitely worth a watch but I actually preferred the RTX upscaled 1080p to the native 4k on YouTube whoa whoa yeah that's because 4k on YouTube still has a lot of banding it does it's pretty low bit rate yes so with a little bit of sharpening did you mess around with floor plan and smoothing no I didn't think to try that I'm interested we should play around with it because it's it's a little it's it's different than public it worked I'm sorry than YouTube it worked on CBC gem like it seems to just work on anything I suspect it would work which is cool I just wonder like it worked on Netflix so it worked on DRM protected content which I wasn't sure if it would interesting yeah like it's it's pretty cool that is actually quite interesting uh open would be DRM protected as well so yeah yeah well okay no don't worry about it um so the the missing information though rather than just like Edge detection and sharpening is predicted by a neural network that's trained on large data sets of images at different resolutions and replaced which is how that works welcome to everything these days it's pretty impressive um there are some issues and you guys are going to want to check out the video but um apparently someone in floor plane chat is using it to watch the stream on float plane okay how is it yeah maybe talk about that while I run and go pee sure the show's too long it's we're already at three hours I think I think Dan left to like make coffee is that what I heard uh no that's the uh drainage system for the air conditioner oh uh that makes sense I have found um a merch message every 22 seconds this stream wow my fingers hurt my eyes hurt so I just had to go look at something far away for a while yeah we're at yeah we're at we're at a little bit over three hours okay um I haven't seen a response yet from Prometheus awoken who's the person who said they're using it to watch the stream right now um is anyone else using it to watch the flow plane stream right now um maybe they will respond soon oh there it is flipping looks good already but it's hard to believe this is live quality is insane does this mean we can talk about the Christmas album I love that cup no I I I'm not maybe uh I I love that comment uh because photo plane already looked good is great but the fact that it looks even so much better is is fantastic um yeah what is the bitrate on for the plane so when people talk about bitrate on YouTube as well it's not it's not really a fixed thing [Music] um it'll it'll vary right so we have like targets and stuff but like it's it's variable bitrate it's gonna It's Gonna Change quite a bit across the course of a video um and there's there's videos like just fully self-admitting there's there's videos that Linus Tech tips has uploaded um that have parts of them that don't really look that good because however the variable bit rate and compression all that kind of stuff decided to deal with it it just didn't really deal with it that well um and that's true for every video platform that does those types of things and we just try to Target a better amount than normal basically uh the response was uh uh where'd it go oh no basically it's it's better they said full plane video is already really good but watching it through the Nvidia oh there it is FP looks good already but it's hard to believe this is live quality is insane wow that's really cool yeah that's super cool uh our discussion question is what does this mean for the future of digital video streaming I mean right now spoiler it consumes up to 300 watts of power so nothing in the short term because realistically so much of streaming video consumption is on devices like this that would light on fire if they were consuming 300 watts power um but in the very long term I I could I could see it fundamentally changing the way that we build video streaming infrastructure just kind of going like yeah um instead of optimizing your stream for what looks the best to the eye at a given bit rate you might start to optimize your stream for you know what might be most easily interpreted by an AI enhanced or machine learning enhanced player so for example like you might basically be able to encode information into the video like this is our this is like put just put like a like a pattern this is like a rock outcropping or whatever you know this is grass uh you know fill in the blanks which could lead to people having very different viewing experiences depending on which data set their machine learning enhanced player was trained on like it could be like okay you know that tool that Nvidia built where you just like essentially Ms paint and it turns into a landscape oh yeah yeah yeah I could see it being kind of like that to a point where you could just stream blocks of color and it would just like decides things yeah you have metadata I don't think this actor is angry I don't think Nvidia is going to build this that way but I think this same technology could absolutely do that like I bet you something that you could do is with a certain pattern like almost QR code style you could tell an interpretive whatever to repeat or or to continue yeah so you could have like a certain pattern and then some indicator amongst that pattern to take this pattern and either continue it so change it as it goes but keep the theme or to just repeat it so it's like object-based compression almost yeah whoa so instead of like you could have like oh a wall yeah like this wall which they can't really see but you could have like a more complicated design on a wall yeah but then instead of filling all your bit rates with that complicated it's almost like mocap like motion so you could almost have like like uh like encoded like dots like like object markers yeah and then you essentially so instead of whatever streaming data you are actually just uh rendering it in in subsequent frames it wouldn't work very well for really fast paced video but for something like Wan show you could probably get the bitrate essentially down to extreme negligible and I wonder if there's ways that you could communicate to it like confetti Canon because one of the biggest things that compression algorithms have a lot of problem with is lots of small things that are moving and shifting so confetti has always been this like people noticed it originally from uh when when we move to digital video for TVs and the NFL was playing yeah they would shoot confetti cannons at the end of the game and the whole thing would just turn into like fuzzy snow you can't see anything and people were very confused about it it's the same problem we have today literally the exact same thing if digital video you can press it you put too many things moving in different ways and it's just your quality is just gonna tank immediately so if you could just tell the GPU to do that and just tell it to generate it instead of needing to like deal with all these changes very cool be really interesting uh YouTube announces some vague new AI tools something something um create artificial scenes swap clothing virtually sounds like kind of YouTuber V tuber stuff uh they're also apparently rolling out a feature where creators can record a short parallel to another video similar to tick tock's duet feature it also happens to be similar to YouTube's own long defunct video responses feature which was discontinued September 2013 because it had a click-through rate of .0004 percent at the scale YouTube's at now point zero zero zero four percent could actually be worth having um I think that's pretty much it for topics today we've got a thing where artists and computer scientists are designing anti-facial recognition clothes it's pretty cool but I think we can leave it for a week where we aren't already three hours in with um a lot of merge messages to get through do we want to deal with these extra topics or no the ones at the bottom yes um no no I don't think we need to no and no we're not going to talk about you organizing in your wrecked thumb I'm sorry to hear about your thumb though it's okay merch messages time let's go when show after hours all right here we go we got quite a few tonight there's been a lot of merch messages first one up here is from Jeremy how reliable was your Thunderbolt to closet PC setup Thunderbolt always seems to be finicky for us in the workplace when it works it's great but you'll probably noticed that I have other boxes on my desk um they're from a company called ikron and they do Optical USB those things are bulletproof when my Thunderbolt I always have my peripherals connected to that so that in the event that I need to troubleshoot my stupid Thunderbolt dock I have a working keyboard and mouse I also have an optical display port directly from my computer to my monitor now through the walls rather than relying on Thunderbolt to carry DP for that same reason when it works it's amazing and just one cable blah blah blah blah blah but when it doesn't work boy is it ever a pain in the butt okay next one here's from Justin hey guys I enjoyed listening to the WAN show on my Friday nights while catching up on the week's email as your jobs get more administrative and less technical how do you keep up with your Tech skills I still end up doing a lot of tech stuff um like I still get called in to help with stuff sometimes you know I I know just enough about everything which is sort of unique in the office here like there's obviously a lot of things that you know in Anthony or an Alex um no more than me about but there's still things that I know more about than them like I'm I'm a generalist right so I still end up doing a lot I also am surrounded by people who knew more like no matter what it is okay so no matter who you are there's something I know more than you about but no matter what it is there's someone in this building that knows way more about it than me so I pick up a lot by osmosis yeah um just being around um you know hearing hearing what the trials and tribulations were and seeing the solution like I'm immersed in this stuff all day every day so even though a lot of it's administrative a lot of the admin stuff that I do like paperwork you stuff is things like script review so yeah on the one hand I did a lot of admin this week but I also got into the weeds of how applications worked on Apple's excerve line of servers uh we've got a video coming about those by the way we got our hands on the last Model that they ever built like played around with it you know why it died spoiler alert it's too good it's too good you just like never saw them out or something well so that's part of it um but that's not the biggest part of it because the way that Apple manages Hardware obsolescence is through not providing software updates anymore so realistically they could have just you know shortened the the the software support cycle on it or something like that but what they were up against was completely different Revenue models their model right is to sell Hardware For Better or For Worse or at least you know in 2009 yeah well how do they compete then with you know Microsoft and their Partners like Dell or HP Enterprise where they charge you for the hardware and then you pay for the software and then you play pay for client access license service and at that time they were trying to figure out how to turn everything service based and Apple's sitting here going well we're gonna have a riot on our hands if we try to convert like this why are we even bothering when everything's going to go to the cloud anyway so they're sitting there going okay how do we turn this into a recurring Revenue model we can either you know duke it out in like this stupid specialized Hardware space or we can just turn everything into software is uh sorry everything into like a service based cloud-based solution obviously we know which way they went right yeah yeah it's so good it does so much and you just like get new software that just comes out for it and there were some you know dumb locked into the Apple ecosystem things you had to buy their hard drive for example oh yeah yeah stuff like that but once it was up and running I can see why people loved them and people did like I couldn't figure I couldn't figure out before we really dug into it why anyone cared that ex-serve went away now I get it it acted as you could use it for like Windows domain services oh yeah right I wouldn't have expected that SMB file file store file sharing like it did everything very cool yeah okay next one's up from Zach uh Hey Linus and Luke I bought a house a year and a half ago congratulations nice and it's been a money pit oh uh yes which makes a retract your statement uh last week my roof leaked and badly damaged my ceiling and floor do you have any homeowner horror stories well um my garage has a roof leak in it the roofers have been back to fix it once it leaked again in the snow this most recent snow so it's all it's all wet again um so that's cool um I know Luke has had some horror stories my bathroom has leaked three times because I was being gaslit by everyone that came to repair it and they kept telling me that it was something that it wasn't and then I finally got my like Dad in who can't do it himself because he's not a licensed plumber anymore yeah but as a plumbing instructor and knows his so he came in and actually figured out what was actually happening yeah and then he got one of his students who is ex students who's a licensed plumber now to come in and fix it and now it hasn't been a problem anymore but that leaked multiple times the roof is leaked uh twice uh the the whole building had this like Christmas tree style leak because there was a leak on the top floor that leaked out and down throughout the entire building twice because it happened and then the company that was trying to restore the building from it happening caused another one to happen on the floor right below that one sick so it happened again and then it took them like a year to fix that and then a bunch of other things got wrecked and just it's been just a living nightmare basically uh do you remember the engineered hardwood that we put in as part of the um cleanest living room upgrade like when we went from the dark brown to the gray yeah so we chose that from a local flooring store and the supplier for it was in California and basically what happened was they installed it here um our humidity apparently either is too high or fluctuates too much and the whole thing contracted and ripped apart there's gaps in that floor this big yeah between between the boards the um the installer tried to blame the store the store tried to blame the manufacturer they like sent in like a third-party expert basically to try to Gaslight us into that our house was first they told us it wasn't humid enough then they told us it was too human fortunately we had a nest that monitored our humidity constantly we're like um actually no that ain't it this is a defective product you guys didn't allow it to whatever enough or you didn't secure it well enough or you didn't you buffered you you buffered too little or too much you did something yeah or the product just but anyway they ultimately never fully fixed it um and unless we want to sue them there's nothing that we can do about it um I mean there's my pool that isn't done yet that's pretty cool um there was also when I installed the uh the DIY air conditioning well first it leaked uh because I made a mistake and then that was fixed pretty quickly but you know caused a little bit of damage then we got you know by the laundry room the ceiling Place yeah the old place the ceiling there was like bad and like the floor was wet oh this was the new floor brand new floor was wet and was like Rippling so that was separate from the issue with the floor which they tried to blame that they tried to blame the the separation on that but we were like no no there are completely separate rooms that are also separating that ain't it yeah um anyway so it was like Rippling and we didn't realize until it had like come up in between the things because the leak was really slow um as it turns out the problem was not that the AC unit was leaking because you know how they they collects condensation right and it has to drain it somehow well that was all fine that's what I thought was the problem but I kept I checked those units over and over and over and over again they weren't leaking but the volume of water coming through was obviously substantial you know what it was it was the main bathroom shower oh do you know why we never noticed because only Yvonne showers I bath so it was a micro fracture in like a in a in an L in an elbow like a PVC elbow and as long as it was one shower once in a while it didn't leak enough to cause any kind of problem like a few drops or whatever it will eventually make its way away and it'll dry or whatever even inside a wall yeah but now that the AC was running continuously it revealed a flaw that had actually probably been there for years yeah um okay so there is that enough horror stories from you home ownership do be like that though it kind of sucks don't be down on baths what is wrong with having a bath I take I take I take a different type of bath but I take baths yeah I mean your bath is more manly than my bath I got the scented candles up in there I got the chocolates on the side yeah I take it back look man when I especially when I exercise I need a bath like the heat man it's good it's good for the muscles yeah it's good for the muscles okay this next one's everyone's saying dual shower is a lie uh Neo choen says I thought you said that uh you and Yvonne shower together to talk over stuff yeah we used to shower together a lot more that was back in the day and we still we still do when I don't when I like didn't exercise but I man like at least every other day um like I okay I you know I'm gonna out myself here I'm not like an everyday shower or bather there's also in my opinion there are certain levels of growth that you can be after doing like certain amounts of whatever activity that I will I will just go through the full shower cycle just like twice if I'm having a shower because I'm like this is just this this needs more than one pass and if you take a bath you can kind of just deal with it which is nice I don't know I'm not down on baths but yeah so uh we do use the shower occasionally but we were we were not using it a lot in the lead up to the AC thing and honestly I haven't used it much at the uh at the new place I would bath significantly more if I fit yeah I don't I don't even like remotely fit in in my bathtub so I I only use it for for cold stuff I'm not a once a week bather either though anytime I exercise I'll bathe and that's usually every other day yeah so like I I have very few opportunities to take a shower like if I need to like quickly clean up yeah obviously I'll jump in the shower okay we've got another one here from Jamie uh Linus if you were stuck on an island what's the one thing in your LTT backpack that will ensure your survival an LTT screwdriver I mean there's no one thing that's going to ensure your survival you're boned in what situation maybe a tent in what you're stranded on an island oh how about how about a sleeping how about a shelter there it could fit a decent size I can fit a lot of stuff yeah but he said I only get one thing in the you only get one thing in the backpack yeah that's it wow yeah okay got another one here from tongue uh got my first tech job paycheck today and the first thing I bought was LTT merge are you proud of me not necessarily as a big fan of Open Source software does float Lane contribute to open source software projects or plan to open source anything some of them and yes I'd also know I I hold on I want to address the am I proud of you thing yet I I am an advocate for um for for for fiscal responsibility so if you had a good job before that and you know it it's just a career change or or whatever else and you like have plenty of money then by all means yeah I'm super proud of you for getting your first tech job paycheck but you should only spend money on stuff if if you can afford it you shouldn't just like take a check and just like immediately convert it into stuff so if it was financially no problem yeah then love it yeah but if it was a stretch for you then I would I would like to see you take care of things like shelter and food and um and you know your Basics your Basics first yeah we don't sell anything essential I think is is pretty fair to say I mean I think clothing is pretty essential and I think we can justify the cost of the clothing just with how well it lasts but yeah um oh sorry that's Luke's reminder to tell me that the show's been going on for far too long and we need to wrap it up but it's not happening anytime soon let's go yeah I removed my bedtime alarms for a nice land show next Up's from Matthew uh Luke I love how you have shaped LTT and that you hired Linus uh just spent 1.5 hours on hold to set up an account for garbage uh what is the worst on hold call you've ever had or Worse oh Luke's got some stories all right are you trying to even think I don't even remember who it was I know there's been some like data center stuff that's been brutal I I know that I have spent literally a day like not a working day like literally a whole day from the morning till night on whole but I'm trying to remember who it was and I don't remember uh Linus I I used to be very against calling people I hated calling people and Linus got me on the just call people thing yeah they didn't reply to my email so there is simply no way for me to find an answer to this question like there's a phone number on their website or like a phone number in their email signature and now I pick up a phone now I'm like almost too far the other way where I like I hate emailing if I have the possibility of just calling people because like I can just get this done faster I could I could get an answer immediately or I could just wait around and see if my message got lost in the ether oh obviously let's go there's also a big problem yeah with read receipts and like modern messaging stuff for sure where it's I really can't trust if someone actually read it or not even if it says that they read it if it's an automatic thing and they didn't react to it I don't trust that they actually read it yeah because it might have just been opened on their phone and they didn't mean to there was something very very recently that I am 100 not going to go into details of but I told you about or I was just like harassing people on the phone until I got far enough into the chain and then I finally got what I needed it worked it worked it was not gonna work any other way nope um spent a lot of time on the phone there I don't know I I don't have a specific one uh but I have I know that I have looked at my phone that was plugged in because it would like run out of battery because it's on the phone for so long on a whole timer or uh I don't know if it was on hold but it's like the next whatever is yeah waiting for that was over eight hours long wow I have seen that before and then when they finally went to go like pick it up something happened and it disconnected and I had to call them and wait through the entire queue again it didn't resume that's wild companies that have call in lines like that really have to do the Callback thing yeah you're in queue do you want us to call you back when you're up yes you press the button it hangs up they call you when you're and failing that they need to not have any human voice in the hold music yes that pisses me off yeah like did you know that our whatever whatever hours of operation are this and this to this because at least if I can just put it next to me and completely space out that's all right fine not great but it's acceptable yeah yeah thank God you don't have minutes yeah yeah it's not it's not my plan anyways get on Linus yeah Chad's loving this hey how's it going we're still on hold yeah see you later hope you're having a great time so incredibly annoying especially whenever once you're more than like five minutes deep if you're two hours into waiting like I don't want to pay attention to this yes play the stupid hold music constantly so that I know the line hasn't dropped or whatever else I'll put it on whatever volume I need to not really care that much and the second that stops for whatever reason I want to pick it up and have someone be there yeah next up this one's from a different Matthew longtime fan here I don't think I've seen either of you talk about Loeb or AI ghosts before on when do you have any thoughts on this phenomenon I would be careful Googling this I did that earlier and it's good I don't personally find it that interesting um I'd never heard of this before it's very spooky I don't know it kind of like a Slender Man kind of vibe so that's what I feel like too it's kind of uh I don't know yeah yeah all right I don't personally find it that interesting moving on next one's from Corey hi guys in the labs your video your video you commented how it was supposed how it wasn't making any Revenue yet in the labs video you commented how it wasn't making any Revenue yes yes how will it or the new site make Revenue by supporting videos or will the new site have some form of subscription yes um affiliate Revenue subscriptions maybe um helping us produce better content on the video channels helping us launch more video channels I think some of it's going to be a little bit intangible yeah I'd love to see yeah I'd love to see um retailers uh license API access to our data for example to make their product pages more informative I don't know in the long term there's all kinds of ideas but only time will tell I know that it's going to be a competitive advantage to have this testing capacity that I know what we're competing for what we're going to win uh who we're competing against not sure yeah okay next one's from Melissa one of my co-workers has an LTT water bottle and accidentally cooked it in our industrial oven did you know that it can withstand over 300 degrees for four hours with no damage at all even the lid was intact I would not recommend that the glass beading might also yeah the glass bead in the bottom um yeah 300 that might not be enough to melt glass I don't know I don't know that's it doesn't say Fahrenheit or Celsius okay well cool neat don't do that intentionally yeah please next one's from Carlos I love the backpack take it to work every day and the tech pouch will be a great addition I can't wait for LTX if you can talk about it Linus what creators have you spoken to about coming to LTX I haven't gotten an approved list yet um some of them are are you know even once we say they're coming stuff happens things come up last minute whether it's like the creators their schedules are crazy yeah family responsibility or or a a an impossible to say no to sponsor deal you know whatever you never know stuff happens you know life life is life is crazy um but what I've asked the team to do is check in with people and say hey can I at least say that you want to try to come and if you aren't able to make it no hard feelings or whatever but we want to at least be able to start to talk about people um and I'm not there yet soon apparently Brett from ufd Tech announced today that he's going to LTX okay I mean I didn't know but there you go well someone in chat said it I don't know no one told me he was confirmed so I guess I guess creators might start talking about it on their own mm-hmm okay next up is his mom is definitely coming my dad is let's go uh next up is from Riley hey Linus do you have any plans for your company in terms of handing it down to your kids in the future if so can you share any ideas I wouldn't want it to just turn into nepotism Central here I don't think that's healthy for the for the work environment um how would you go about employing one of them man see that's that's tough because I could imagine myself saying you know Junior you're gonna start at the bottom and darn it you're gonna stay there until you you prove yourself but I could also see myself kind of you know every parent wants to create an advantage for their children they want them to succeed right so you know if if my son or daughter came to me and was like uh you know Dad I've got this great idea for a channel um I you would want to give them a shot yeah yeah maybe I'd want to give them a shot at it you know like I foreign but then there's there's a risk there right like where's the line between giving them a shot and you know essentially uh hiring people to to babysit them I always liked um keep them out of my hair you know I've told these stories before but my dad was very often one of the coaches on a variety of sports teams that I played on and the initial reaction of all the kids on the team if they haven't played with you before is like ah this is going to be stupid because you're just going to get all the advantageous positions and you're gonna get more play time than everyone and all this kind of stuff and within a couple weeks usually they had totally flipped and they were like oh man I'm like so sorry because my dad would be way harder on me than anybody else which was absolutely the way to go we agreed on it like there was I mean we agree it's not like he was going to do it in any other way to be completely clear but like I agreed with him on all this kind of stuff because I hated it when all the kids would be like oh like your dad's a coach you're gonna get everything handed to you I would rather earn it and then them respect me yeah I liked that the other one was um one time my brother raft a hockey game that I was in and the other team thought it was going to be BS and then I like hit somebody and my brother ran up to me and grabbed the back of my jersey and tossed me across this is when he was like Max jacked he literally threw me and I went like flying through the air uh and then everyone was like all right never mind I think it's fine um but yeah I don't know you I think you almost have to be like more watchful more harsh but then at the same time it's not like the point isn't to just like beat them into stuff that too yeah right like you want to you want to create an environment where they can do their best give them the opportunity but don't just like make them auto win I think yeah the way to go because they're like there's this whole thing where um where wealth survives a maximum of I think it's like three or four generations or something like that because what the the the the the the characteristics that create wealth are not perpetuated by being wealthy so it's like cyclical yeah um and so we got to figure out you know how to how to make our kids have the same characteristics that have made me and Yvonne successful and it sure wasn't growing up with silver spoons in our mouths yeah yeah like our kids have it way easier than we did by a long shot we see it and we like don't know how to fix it because obviously you know we would like to enjoy our success a little you know I I don't I don't want to have a newspaper route after my full-time job during the day and have my kids fall asleep in the back of the car while I deliver papers or whatever um just so that they see that like because I just don't want to it's tough this has been a thing that's been very interesting to observe from the outside is like how you deal with that because I know all those Concepts have always been very important to you yeah but then it's like what's the limit on not enjoying your own success and like what do you do just lie to your kids I don't know we could just not leave the money we've talked about it yeah is there realistically a benefit in that I don't know are their lives actually better maybe I'm not saying like I'm not actually fighting the other side I'm just I don't know and and it's not even necessarily the kids that are the problem could be the grandkids like maybe our uh yeah I don't know yeah your inheritance is backpacks and screwdrivers good luck have fun yeah oh man you want another yeah all right this is an anonymous one hello and good weekend Luke and Linus is there being any progress on getting the official Honeywell PTM 7950 thermal pad to LTT store a little bit you don't have to read the exact words you can like Honeywell are all rights reserved um yes but we're not sure what it's going to look like yet I don't think we had any luck getting in touch with Honeywell directly but I think we're in touch with a supplier so yeah we'd love we'd love to carry it I think we're I think we're also chatting with the rack studs folks about carrying rack studs just like I don't know can the store just like good products yeah I think so yeah I don't see why not this one's from uh uh oh yeah we'll get the dimensions for the tech pouch at some point I yelled at Nick and now they're on the website oh they are hey sorry I sent him a respectful professional message of course you did um that's Dan for you size guide got him nice there we go Boop Boop enjoy okay uh I'm interested in the new tech pouch but I don't see Dimensions yeah yeah we already did that one they're there now let's go okay yeah sorry uh Joseph uh Linus have you upgraded the firmware on your Z-Wave stick the 700 series has a bug which creates crazy amounts of traffic making the network unusable wow any more home automation videos coming I wonder if that's part of my problem uh I haven't specifically done that I will have to look into that um more home automation videos coming yeah and undoubtedly at some point but not for a while I'm waiting on inavelli to release their new um millimeter wave presence detection switches hopefully that'll solve a lot of my problems so this is a float plane message actually but I want to address it someone mentioned uh after the goat video have you gained any traction with Linus opening a land Center so one of the problems there is that that wouldn't solve this particular problem because so many and we've talked about this too so many modern games don't support local play at all a lot of games are multiplayer only there's not very much like local Skirmish there's not very much Co-op there's not as even as much single player I find there's a lot of multiplayer only games coming out and like tarkov for instance you can do something that is uh super privateerie and you can there's like a single player version of it that you can acquire but it's like very not above board and that version doesn't support Co-op and it's like definitely illegal so it's uh I don't know it doesn't really solve the problem with all of that said um I am planning to open up a Badminton Center so this is not something I think I haven't really talked about yet um and it will be designed in such a way that it will be powered up and networked up and the goal is to make when up when whale win um a regular occurrence so we're talking about this vaguely yeah I think we've I think I've never really just come out and said it um progress is excellent on on the building and uh it is it is loaded for bear in terms of networking and power I think we'll be able to do 250 300 person lands there pretty easily and the requirements that I laid out for Chase and anyone working on events is I want this thing pretty much um pre-loaded onto pallets or you know like pretty much to the point where in three hours oh okay yeah we can roll it out so like set up and take down really fast I'm talking Network switches for the tables that at the end of the event you just unplug them from the computers wrap them up stack them so when it's time to redeploy them you just go plonk plunk do you think you could have certain folding tables where it's like built into the table so you don't even have to you just unplug it and fold the table and put it away I mean maybe yeah I don't see why we couldn't we couldn't wire it up like that I mean basically I said look I I don't want it to interfere with our ability to run this place as a Badminton Center but if we book off times occasionally I would like this to be unroll roll back up about three hours I think is the goal that I set for them with uh with a handful of people and I think it's doable because the entire building is going to have all of the connection points for land and power to the point where if you've got just like a a couple of bins of these California standard like power breakout boxes and you yeah you kind of roll them over you just go thunk thunk thunk well there's your power you've got just like uh you know like a big cart of tables you just kind of you roll down the middle and go okay table table table table if ever if you know what the layout is and you've kind of done it a few times I think we could get this down to the point where we could on a Friday night say okay uh thanks for watching see you again next time same bad time same bad channel uh for those of you who are going to be at whale land we'll see you guys soon half an hour that'd be sick and we just do the after party comes back in a real big way basically yeah I'm super excited that's another random thing I found I the the overlay for the hour for the after price the gaming overlay yeah yeah um apparently Jake updated your Z-Wave stick by the way oh thanks Jake yeah um legendary dust on floatplane says Honeywell is hard to get a hold of they won't return my emails and I'm trying to buy aircraft parts for the US Air Force oh my goodness okay then as they tried calling them yeah I don't know it's a good question yeah very topical all right uh this one's from Brian long time viewer LTT store whale thanks for adding another item I have purchased now uh when will we see the RGB PC case pin back in stock I don't know limited thing I think that was part of the limited run the last time um the reason that we did it as a limited run was that we didn't get that one sampled and we were worried it would suck so we ordered very limited quantities of it it wasn't an intentional limited edition thing so with that in mind I don't see why we wouldn't restock it but I don't have any kind of ETA on that you'd have to I don't know Nick would know yeah it's his Department okay next up is from Lewis hi Luke on a previous land show you mentioned you would make and make inverted chicken cordon bleu to impress people what kind of people Luke isn't that just like ham and cheese on top of how many X chromosomes did they have of a chicken breast two um so in the yeah I would how successful was it Luke actually extremely yeah how do you define success I'm not going into that but I will say it was 100 successful uh and and it had a decent sample size um so it was chicken breast in a frying pan um a little bit of a little bit of olive oil you would put oh man it's been so long okay basil on top of the chicken breast with uh prosciutto ham on top of that and then provolone cheese on top of that and you would try you the difficulty was keeping it all together so part of the reason why this was successful is because it was visually interesting so you could keep them entertained um so you need to let the basil sit there for a second so it kind of cook in and then when you put the ham on you want it to kind of press it around the perimeter of the chicken so it would kind of sear into the chicken slightly so that it would hold together and then you need to use two spatulas to flip it over once you put the cheese on so you could cook the cheese on the top as well and then it was basically chicken cordon bleu just not inside it's on top so we call that inverted it's great and very successful you say yeah mm-hmm I don't want to know you do know oh God everyone knows your mom knows yeah she's more than a secret everyone's young at a certain point in time and they're they're they're on the market nope I was never I'm now happily off the market this is not a problem I was never young yeah I've always been old and boring I gotta talk to my mom oh no um all right this next one's from Greg uh Hey Linus my company works with the fireworks uh they're happening again this year the same weekend as LTX thought you'd want to consider giving people a heads up Saturday Downtown will suck plan ahead oh yeah good point oh I would hope by the time you're rolling around to fireworks time everyone who's going to be at the byoc would already be there the whale land could like step out and watch the fireworks for a second I don't think it'd be for a second though because if you need to be on like Spanish Banks or whatever to see them I don't think it's getting that close okay I don't know where they were yeah all right this next one's from AJ lmg holds a lot of valuable parts and you often joke about taking stuff from the office during extreme upgrades has anything really valuable gone missing or has anyone anonymously been caught doing that uh the Pippin Exmark console disappeared yes I don't know what happened to it I genuinely do not have it um also and it actually sucks because that thing was really cool I lent Luke this DVD that was not a part of work that's not inventory eight years eight years ago and I said hey um this is not only you know my favorite show but also um you know it's kind of rare and it has some sentimental value for me as well and uh could I please get it back once you're done watching it and not only um did I not get it back when he was done watching it I had to follow it up earlier this week and he was like no I don't have it but he was like oh maybe I do have it I said I would look for it and then he found it and now I finally got it back and I consider that to be a long enough time period that it's completely unacceptable he stole it essentially he stole it and waited for me to forget oh piffin app Mark sorry did I say xmark sorry that that is a true story I did just get this back from him right before the show today I don't think necessary and I did lend it to him eight years ago are perfect though the main ones the main ones by the way this is a great show it's streaming on CBC gem um it's very funny okay I guess I gotta where I worked parts were locked in an inventory cage or closets hint hint at Luke yeah it would be a little unreasonable I think to do that here yeah I don't think it's realistic because the the building is that inventory case and we have good people here yeah like we've actually had shockingly little go missing over the years I wouldn't even be surprised if we found that stupid app marks lying around somewhere at some point kind of sucks because they're not like it could have been thrown away the server that we used for 10 gamers one CPU got accidentally thrown away which I was extremely angry about and it wasn't stolen it was just it was it was chucked into the like the outside um uh that trailer that we used for like hauling junk to the dump and I found it in there completely like destroyed oh my gosh and I was like what the actual happened here because it was worth thousands of dollars right and some miscommunication had taken place and it got thrown away oh my God yeah that hurts okay this next one's from another anonymous uh where did the wind show intro animation come from Ed made it yeah he's made all of them as far as I know and uh the last of the curated I have is from Brian hey Linus and Luke have you ever considered open sourcing any of the software projects for float plane and Labs we just talked about this um TBD yeah yeah TBD okay we've got a few potentials I'll have a look at these yeah go through it um what's y'all's favorite non-canadian food asks Eduardo pretty much all of my favorite foods are not like what what the hell's Canadian food what we'd really have is like poutine yeah it's stupid and like half the time you get poutine here it's not made right like it yeah it's it's two the gravy is too cold to melt the cheese and you're sitting here going this is basic it's got I don't know man like Curry like any kind of like Malaysian Curry or like like yeah Southeast Asian Curry Indian curry I love curry I like all right burritos give me a burrito any day I love nachos man authentic Mexican every time I go down to La like the first thing I do is find some hole in the wall Mexican restaurant now because yeah so good yeah we have we have some Mexican places up here most of them are like fast food Style like Chipotle Style no which is not really gonna be it yeah and the like one or two sit-downs that we have really they suck they are no offense not on the same level at all yeah you could go to any like just random Mexican place in like La it's like it's the same as uh it's the same as how you can get you know Indian food in Vancouver and it's like overpriced and it's fusion and blah blah blah uh or you can get Indian food in Surrey where there's a huge Indian Community yeah and it's like it's cheap and plentiful and delicious yeah you're just like yeah because that's where the people who eat this all the time and actually know what it's supposed to taste like are yeah so yeah yeah it really it really depends yeah all right I'm supposed I'm doing this now yeah it's your job uh okay so now I just if I hit reject does it go back okay if someone can clear them from the reject after I press that then that would be cool um Luke what would you say gives you the most fulfillment in your professional life asks Luke oh wait it's not oh it's for both of us from Luke I thought it was to Luke sure well cool uh not that easy is it I've had a really fun time um as my team has expanded and the things that we work on have expanded I've really liked I don't know I like making things that people use yeah and like no I'm not directly making it but I like working with a team who makes things that people use so like I like that internal people use the inventory system yeah I like that Linus Media Group is the you know the largest member of float plane and we use the platform I like that people are going to be using the labs website I like that people use blah blah blah blah and I like that the path that we're going on is more of that yeah I've always liked that one of the reasons why when I first got into software engineering I wanted to work with uh I wanted to make like controller boards and stuff like that was because like people are literally going to literally use this thing yeah and I think that's cool uh so I've always liked that I think that's probably mine yeah I think that's um I think that combined with seeing people follow um not follow because they they take completely different paths from me but seeing people be inspired by what we do and get into computer engineering software engineering Electronics engineering uh like seeing what we're doing just like sharing this love of it create a new generation of people who are going to pursue these career paths and create the the next the next wave of cool technology for us to geek out over is I I love that it's kind of a perpetual motion machine what what we're making um definitely yeah it's a good one uh Michael says been waiting on these shirts also I really enjoy watching some of the more thematic artistic builds like the nerdforge PC do you have a favorite well the nerdforge PC obviously that thing is so cool actually we've done some other really cool stuff the copper tubing build was really amazing I loved Alex's sleeper builds like that Xbox one was super cool um favorite builds I mean the original desk PC was a classic but I don't know that it's a favorite Anonymous says Friday when shows a ritual at this point fun fact lttstore.com merch is all over the place at zuke's a self-driving car company uh not to have go AI tangent Luke what are your thoughts on Robo taxis oh yeah I saw this uh I think they're absolutely the future of taxis like no doubt uh I also don't think we're necessarily 100 there yet um but I totally think that's the way that's gonna go thought that for a long time too yep I think I'm replying to the right message yet oh wait oh shoot no I replied to the wrong one oh no uh Jody I don't have any thoughts on for our systems cooling yet the solid state cooling I haven't been hands on yet but hopefully soon I think we're in touch with them Assa asks last year I had asked about the possibility of the lab developing a Daw Benchmark a um uh digital audio workstation Benchmark you said it'll happen likely is it still in the works it will happen I don't know that I would say it is in the works but it is absolutely something that we want to do it just hasn't been the highest priority and you know that's the thing right is something that is like always be here never gets done and I don't know I don't know how we get past that on this one because you're not the first to request it and you won't be the last and Anonymous asks what technology is in its relative infancy like Risk 5 or graphene processors or whatever that you're excited to see in the hands of consumers AR I think AR is not even infancy yet I think it's still in the womb I'm so sketched for AR I'm all the conversation on AR right now is saturation of ads I'm not kidding like that's actually I'm hoping for useful AR yeah subscribed [Applause] great and I think that's it for the show today we'll see you again next week same bad time same bad Channel [Music] [Music] this is hilarious um uh no it doesn't matter uh the uh the the slav is messaging me um just passed uh just passed a class and is excited telling me a little story at the end of the session the instructor goes okay let's take an into session photo uh let me just take my glasses off me pops his blue light shades on instructor Ivan why did you put your shades on me because when you're this cool The Sun Shines above you 24 7 that's why and you know he would actually talk like oh he definitely said that yeah this is cool though um the the money that we raised when we uh matched his donation with the the GPU collection auction and everything like that this is part of the um the like children's Ukraine that's cool uh like shelter thing that that was made so let's just Loop the picture

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Reddit Comments

[u/GamingApokolips]

The Tarkov portion starts about 2 mins into the video, right after the intro. Just adding since the WAN show tends to be like 3-4 hours long.

[u/AccordingToBeing]

"We shattered a community" little puffery going on huh?

[u/Absolute_Gaymer]

I like LTT, and linus

Buut claiming anything got shattered, especially by them, is a little clickbaity at best