WARRIOR in Burning Crusade Classic: Is It Any Better Now?

[Music] hello ladies and gentlemen willie here with tbc confirmed it's about time we did a little bit of a class update let's take a look back at each class in the burning crusade the performance overall and hopefully help you make your choice moving forwards we will be looking at what's new in terms of talents and abilities leveling pve who's the new king of the meter pvp has much changed and tier sets which actually exist for every specialization now and through this i hope to answer is your class any better now outland huh no doubt this will be just as much of a joke as classic was for me full basics biss fury warrior looking the guild warlock lfg i haven't played since phase two but i've shadowbolt on three separate keybinds yep over here welcome come this way right this way i uh must have posted in the wrong channel let me try that again full of phase six abyss fury warrior looking for guild unturney guild i just boosted to 58 and i don't really know what i'm doing but i've got that macro that make mr kitty go brrrr oh right over here right this way over here sir what the hey i see you're recruiting there do you need a fury warrior i was the top passer on the server in phase six and ah i'd love to but we're full on melee sorry about that good luck on the search though but you only have three non-tank melee in the entire raid yep sorry hands are tied here you know where full is how it is oh my god let today through the dark portal is the most popular class in classic by far and i mean by far when it comes to all-around performance in pvp and especially pve there is quite literally no better choice than the worry worry the warrior class yes that out of a possible eight classes to pick for each faction at the moment the raiding population on nearly every single server is 20 warrior alts included of course but yeah the class is pretty good best tank best dps scales exceptionally well really fun to play with the constant flow of rage and ability spam who doesn't like seeing themselves at the top of the meters after all so does this trend carry over to tbc well um not exactly no warrior was really brought much more in line that doesn't however mean they go from being literally the best everything they can do to the worst far from it it's just their legacy of dominance was taken back quite a few steps and deservedly so i would say since when does one class get to be the best for an entire duration of a game in an mmo well normal mmos anyway classic is a bit of a special case and just a side note for the clash you really can make of it what you want back when i was doing there was any good though videos i'd say some classes were not so good on performance and i would have people in the comments saying but wait back in my day i was always top dps on my boomkin doing my zg pugs i mean that says a lot about the pugs but yeah if that's good enough for you then fine i'm just trying to give a good impression of what you can expect from the class after all people like to perform well that's why the top two play classes on almost every server are warrior mage at the moment with that said let's get into this what's new for the warrior then lots of new additions to utility that's what rage generation has changed a bit as far as i know this should be correct for 2.43 i couldn't really find any more information on the subject actual normalization of rage gain wasn't a thing until kata by the way i've seen that commented quite a few times also the heroic strike queuing should still be working too also not removed till cataclysm as heroic strike was made an instant attack then not a next melee attack a new shout was added commanding shout gives your party a bunch of extra health it's either this or battle shout by the way so make sure you keep the right one up victory rush was also a thing in tbc it doesn't heal like it does in later expansions though but it doesn't have any rage costs so a free bit of extra damage whilst leveling or to get resets in pve it's something i guess intervene was another addition you may be noticing a trend here not much new on the damage front is there it's like charge or intercept but for an ally redirecting the next melee or ranged attack only usable in defensive stance pretty solid can be good in pve to get back in range of an enemy when someone decides they want to run away from the tank instead of towards them when they get aggro you know who you are and is a very high skill cap ability in pvp which can hard counter some cc setups speaking about pvp spell reflection something to keep you alive against those pesky mages well perhaps for one additional global it's a good ability kind of easily telegraphed though as the warrior has to put on the sword and board to use it in pve it gives you a button to press against casters though some harder hitting effects from bosses will just prevent the damage but not actually reflect the spell unfortunately finally whilst not a new active ability it's pretty good so i'll give it a mention that is stance mastery so you know how without tactical mastery changing stances feels completely terrible as your rage is reset to zero the prop fiori players at the moment will know either way with this new passive you get to keep 10 rage when you change stance pretty good tactical mastery still exists too and stacks with this though it's been downgraded from 25 rage kept to 15. leveling then i'll tell you what i thought leveling as a warrior was going to be terrible in classic and to be honest the early levels kind of felt like your role playing a level 15 npc that has about one meaningful ability but once you get through some levels you pick up sweeping strikes whirlwind mortal strike the class really comes alive and it's a lot of fun admittedly i did level as much as i could with world buffs and even in tbc they will still work up to level 63 though i wouldn't really expect any to be getting reset or dropped multiple times a day anymore as people move on to the new content or you know just boost past the whole thing but with victory rush more readily available gear through early quests especially weapons i reckon it won't be quite as painful as it's been made out to be oh also stuck upon bandages and potions the usual for warriors really also whatever you hear about warriors their aoe is very good for a melee class at least they will be strong in dungeon content or where their ability to cleave will come in such as cara or zed a right then onto pve this is where things get interesting for the warrior so in classic they are number one and they have been from the moment the server's launched till whenever we go through the dark portal and there are a number of reasons for that some of which go away with tbc out of every class warriors get the most benefit from world buffs as a dps and to a lesser extent a tank that is dependent on dealing crits to generate rage being able to get crit chance for free through world buffs was a pretty big deal they had good baseline scaling through strength and agility the latest version of bloodthirst two huge dps cooldowns in death wish and recklessness heroic strike queuing and well just the rage mechanic in general more gear more damage more creates more rage more pumping the class just scales so well and tbc is sort of the start of what warriors would go on to see for well quite a few expansions to come it's similar to what fire mages experience when you have a class that needs the crit to really put out damage and then you take a lot of that crit away at the start of the expansion it takes them a while to get going again also itemization in tbc only really starts to throw melee bone towards the later tears when a lot of armor penetration items become available warriors don't even do that bad damage to be honest it's just smaller raid sides more limited raid slots due to wanting a wide variety of specs for utility particularly melee unfriendly mechanics and earlier tears of braiding which have now been confirmed to be pre-nerfed and the fact that warrior is way over-represented in classic at the moment it doesn't exactly help their case that the one unique buff they can bring baseline to the raid is commanding shout and that's just some extra help for your party this will make warriors overall less of a desirable class to bring along than they are at the moment and i don't want to scare monger of course it depends on your raid content will be clearable with a sub-optimal setup i'm more than just a bit sure about that and there is a lot more to rage than speed and efficiency i get it it's just you shouldn't expect to be the guy who is always at the top of the meters anymore well not for a long time anyway so let's talk specializations fury first here we are then and there's a lot of talents and this goes for warrior dps in general which aren't exactly the most exciting and you kind of have to pick them up in the arms tree to get down to deep winds and impale which are just too good to pass up it kind of feels like 10 points wasted just to get what you really want so many of her classes moved away from this kind of design in fact it almost feels like warrior is the only class that actually still has to do this you'll notice death wish and sweeping strikes of swap places which never really made a lot of sense to be honest both of these fit thematically much better in their prior places in my opinion tactical mastery has moved from arms and now is at the top of the protection tree but we're a bit short on talent points to be able to pick that up in the fury tree new additions are weapon mastery improved whirlwind and improved berserker stance at least warriors get some additional threat reduction mechanic now bottom of the tree is rampage use after a crit and it gives 250 bonus attack power at five stacks good early on but it doesn't scale really which is a shame and i didn't manage to find this referenced anywhere but is it ever worth with late game gear just dropping this and picking up death wish instead 20 more damage for 30 seconds still sounds pretty nice maybe fights are long enough to where it's not worth it though just a thought and i would personally also take piercing hal i just like the ability another new addition for fury for the whirlwind ability is your attack with both your main and offhand weapons now and speaking of cleaves sweeping strikes is moved up from five attacks to ten so you can see why their aoe is still pretty solid expect fiori to be a cleaving machine in dungeons and ten-man content though it won't come into its stride in terms of single target damage as it does at the moment in classic for quite some time though there is another spec warriors will be running in pve content too and i bet this one will be more frequently seen and the reason for that is it does bring a unique benefit for the entire raid and that is arms warriors i can't help feel like arms was designed to be the pvp spec for the expansion but one little talent near the bottom of the tree made it into the pve spec as well which is nice i guess some variants you get to swing around a big sword you get to see big crits and everybody gets wind fury so it looks like a pretty fun spec actually until you're here and you may or may not be happy about this one but you're gonna be using slam yep that ability that's casted forces you to stand still and doesn't really fit with how melee classes feel in wow well that's how i see it at least here's our talents notably slam is reduced by a full one second now a big reason towards its new viability going as far into fury as we can for some talent points into flurry more attack speed is always great over in the arms tree is pretty similar to classic really new additions are improved disciplines more rack up time love to see it getting mortal strike of course that will be used in between that slams and the big addition i suppose is blood frenzy this should be permanently up from your crits on deep wounds four percent more physical damage for the entire raid which is very good your hunters will love it you'll also know we have death wish and sweeping strikes here and unlike fury you do have a big meaty two-hander and are fully benefiting from those 10 cleaved attacks add a wreck on top of that and warriors can really put out massive burst sleeve this is kind of their niche speciality now actually at the bottom of the arms tree is endless rage just a flat 25 more rage from damage death which is pretty nice keeps the resources going very well it just tends to be the extra talents over in the fury tree edge it out and i know i haven't really gone over this for other classes but professions are also worth a quick mention for the warrior when it comes to dps more specifically that blacksmithing is really good makes sense a warrior would want this profession right reason being is we really want to be able to guarantee that we can get our hands on a very good two-handed sword and the one i'm referring to is the lionheart sword which is upgradable as the expansion progresses and will pretty much always be a solid choice to later phases and this needs you to not only be a blacksmith but further spec into swordsmithing depends how much you like to min max but this is a choice you'll have to make against hammersmithing which rewards an even more well-known weapon that we'll save for pvp which leaves us with protection the go-to tank 4 classic come tbc they now have some competition on their hands both bears and paladins really step up to the table does the protection tank lose their spot then no not at all prop remains a very strong choice especially as a main tank which is good because kind of like paladins if you aren't actively tanking something you're not exactly contributing the most shall we say i suppose i should mention prop fury as well the go-to tanking style for guilds that really want to push performance is it still a thing in tbc well it's not supposed to be and the content is pre-nerfed but i don't want to be never say never about this at the end of the day prop fury only ever existed in classic due to the threat meter game between the tank and the dps it just generates the most threat and if you can reliably survive whilst doing that of course it's the best thing to do warglaive prop fury maybe just a little speculation also prop fury is a much better off tank and tactical mastery was updated to add a threat modifier to bloodthirst as well i think though and this is the general consensus on the subject tanks will actually be deep protection as they should be wearing their heavy mitigation gear and a big old shield the real warrior tank class fantasy and speaking about content being pre-nerfed this is actually great news for protection warrior tanks what warriors have that druids and paladins can only dream of is an actually strong defensive toolkit beyond look at how high my health bar is those being both the last stand and of course shield wall here are our talents this is more utility or defense oriented as far as proc goes one warrior somewhere in the braid really wants to pick up an improved demo shout and thunderclap it can be any of them really it just fits into props a little bit easier i think oh and thunderclap can be used in defensive stance too now which is a great little quality of life change arms and fury talents are pretty much the same as in classic in protection we have improved sunder and focus rage making your abilities much more spammable improved shield wall shield mastery and improved defensive stance i guess this whole tree will feel kind of new to you if you've been fiori prop though shield slam is a big threat generator and it also dispels a magic effect as well at the bottom of the tree we have devastate which is like an upgraded sunder armor that now does a bit of stacking damage there is a lot of cc in this tree as well with concussive blow and maybe even improved shield bash if you wanted to pick that up as well for dungeons paladins and druids do have the scaling edge on warriors for tanking but you will still see many prop warrior tanks as a safe and stable choice in the role also there are some boss mechanics that really feel as though they were made with the warrior in mind think illidan's shear ability in black temple so i hope that gives you a broad outline of warriors in pve because i want to move on and talk pvp to start off with similar to other tank specializations prot is not a thing in pvp it just doesn't do any damage fiori also isn't really either well partly it is for some key talents but you're not going to be full on dual wielding what warriors will be in tbc is arms the same as it's been in classic really the iron will talent has moved over from protection which is a nice 15 chance to resist some additional effects this will stack up very nicely with the awk racial which has now been nerfed down from 25 to 15 by the way tactical mastery and protection is taken combined with your passive that's 25 rage when swapping stances in the arms tree we have second wind this is a really good new talent and will do far more over the course of a game than you would think at least you're getting some rage whilst you're sitting in a nova or a route these days improved hamstring is taken again and in fury there is weapon mastery which reduces the duration of disarms against you by 50 weapon chains are nerfed in general by the way you can no longer be completely immune to them even the ones made through blacksmithing are still just 50 but the real benefit this specialization is to be able to get sweeping strikes which obviously if you're hitting two targets next to each other it's just going to be an enormous amount of pressure alternatively there is another build for arms we go really deep into it and pick up endless rage at the bottom this also allows you to get improved intercept which stacks up nicely with the pvp4 set leaving you with a 20 second cooldown on intercept which is really solid pvp wise is where you consider hammer smithing instead of sword smithing for deep thunder which should be available from launch and then in phase two storm or more commonly known stun herald it's just got a ton of stats a very good proc that can single-handedly swing games also it's 3.8 speed whilst the pvp alternative weapons are 3.6 and for arms slower is always better your abilities scale off your weapons base damage this is why you would also consider mace spec which is yet another stun on its own diminishing returns and also generates you a little bit of rage or you can just go sword get a shaman in your group and pray for win fury rng arms in tbc is kind of like classic they're not really up to much solo but with some adequate support they can turn into a force to be reckoned with in all arena brackets not forgetting mortal strike of course this is really the big selling point of the warrior i would say the easiest to apply 50 healing reduction effect this makes warriors a very high pressure class when given up time with some strong capabilities if you crit and sometimes some very good cc maces are a bit rng heavy warriors are most commonly seen with drawers in twos and with lock druid in threes though they do fit into quite a wide variety of comps and whilst they can see some longer games compared to other classes they are a real mainstay in pvp content for tbc so let's finish up on some tier sets the big news is now both dps and tanking specs get a separate set which is really nice tier 4 the warbringer armor 200 absorb after parry and it also has a reasonably good prop chance in tbc however you still don't generate rage when damage is absorbed or dealt for that matter perhaps it is worth when enough things are hitting you the four sets 10 more damage after a revenge hit but it's okay once again warrior threat generation is more about ability usage rather than dealing damage but it helps for dps two set will win five less rage and four set two more rage after one of your attacks is dodged or parried so yeah not bad actually both are doing things for your damage which is a positive tier 5 a destroyer armor protection when you get hit by the first to tank after shield blocking it has a whole lot more block value this is the same as the protection paladin set if i remember right seems kind of niche again the four set a chance for 200 haste rating after being hit a pretty good proc chance too at least there's a solid stat for protection more attacks more heroic strike spam seems pretty good actually dps wise overpower gives 100 ap for five seconds on the two set which um yeah you aren't going to be leaving berserker stance even as arms it just loses you too much rage to swap back and forth the four sets some rage cost reductions once again it's okay tier 6 the onslaught armor protection 170 more hell from commanding shell well i guess it's better than nothing not by much though the four set 10 or damage on shield slam which is just okay again dps wise it's kind of similar to the other tiers less rage cost more damage i mean it's fine it's not the most exciting but it's functional so there is a quick look at the warrior and the evolution of the class through the dark portal but can we answer the warrior is it any better now well um no not really compared to classic at least you've been playing literally the best tank and dps by some margin if the class got any better they would have been on par with wrath of the lich king released death knights or rap paladins no one clash should remain that broken for that long blizzard kinda had to bring them back in line which they did tanking is still as good as ever as it was for protection they do kind of similar to how they do in pvp compared to classic in that they need some help to be good though resilience goes a long way to stop you from getting globalled dps is where the big hit happened you aren't going to be on top of the meters every single fight of every single raid for the whole expansion yes they have great aoe or a melee yes by tier 6 with more armor pen gear becoming available they do really start to improve but i'd be lying if i said it wasn't a downgrade from classic though whilst warriors don't pack the utility of us do the raw damage output is solid and by the end of the expansion is actually very good still less competition for gear though right that's something it could be like bringing a new druid to molten core at the moment and walking them out with full tier one all the same as we went over earlier the class is just way over represented in classic at the moment i'd be looking at securing a guild spot sooner rather than later on the warrior regardless of your current role or play style preference it depends how you approach raiding of course not everybody's sweating at the thought of passes and that's fine you do you there we go then that's the warrior i think they get a worse reputation than they deserve we will see exactly how the pre-nerf content with modifications will look like in tbc it could mean dungeons and raids full of 360 degree cleaving aoe stun spamming incapacitating mobs which isn't great for melee full stop or maybe those are the kind of things that they would like to tone down a bit let me know if there are any bits you feel i should have included there was a lot to the class so i tried to get everything and i could in a reasonable time frame and as always thank you so much for watching and listening in and i'll see you on the next one very [Music] soon [Music] you

Channel: WillE

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Keywords: the burning crusade, tbc, tbc beta, WoW Classic tbc, World of Warcraft, warrior

Id: tBEuwZ3A_aE

Length: 22min 21sec (1341 seconds)

Published: Tue Mar 30 2021

Reddit Comments

[u/NostalgiaDad]

TLDR; no lol Edit- solid video series btw keep it up

[u/Commandier123]

Blabla, mace stun, balala blacksmith mace, blala spellreflect. Tank better dps bad, pvp good. Saved your time guys

[u/[deleted]]

all the fights will be so short it probably won't matter for progression purposes what your comp is.

[u/LegalEntry]

i dont get how people can say that fury is bad in tbc? they are S tier dps from t6 on. imagine saying a class is bad because it doesnt perform in MC while its destroying aq and naxx?