Villain Therapy: JOKER

bipolar is i have manic episodes where i feel like i'm on top of the world i can do anything i have all this great energy and then i fall into depressed episodes and i feel hopeless despair negative thoughts i'm worthless you know it's not saying mental illness and poverty and anguish lead to violence because we all are responsible for our own actions right and he turns to violence that's arthur fleck completely stepping into the joker and just abandoning the arthroflect persona right he's gone he's the joker now that's all he is hello i'm licensed therapist jonathan decker and i love movies what show is this it's the greatest show what do you mean what show is this cinema therapy welcome what did i say you said hello i'm jonathan decker you know what this show is you're already here hello and welcome to cinema therapy i'm jonathan decker licensed therapist i love film i am alan searight professional filmmaker and i love and need therapy all right let's dance you ever dance with the devil in the pale moonlight what let's do it so today we're doing something a little bit different we had an idea uh the head writer of the show who is my wife and i we thought what if you could take famous movie villains who the most interesting ones are always damaged people who didn't necessarily need to turn out to be a villain what would it be like if we could have gotten those people some help yeah would they have become villains could would they have turned to villainy or could we have helped them before they gone could we have helped them before they got there or could we help them like rehabilitate out of it the idea of villain therapy we want to be very very clear we are not correlating mental illness with villainy oh no no because the simple fact is 95 of violent crimes in our country at least are committed by the non-mentally ill 95 percent by people who are not mentally ill and people who suffer from mental illness are 10 times as likely to be victims of violence 10 times 10 times wow more likely to be victims of violence than perpetrators so we want to destigmatize this right out of the gate when we're talking about villain therapy we're talking about how people arrive at a place of evil and sometimes there's mental illness as part of their story but actually arriving at evil is about our innate capacity as people to do evil acts so i think today's villain fits quite neatly into that uh definitely did not need to turn to villainy definitely has some mental illness that we also talk about so tell me about the patient who are we dealing with today well today my friend we are dealing with someone who has had a lot of difficulty in their job they're a an aspiring stand-up comedian hello it's good to be here and moonlighting as a clown for hire living in poverty with their mother even though he's middle-aged i'm pretty sure i know who this is yeah i'm sure you've already figured it out star-lord who if you haven't seen the film in question and you either don't care if it's spoiled or you should probably stop and go watch the film because we're getting into spoilers we're getting into some spoiler territory here he doesn't originally know this but his mother who also has mental illness claims that he is her biological son by a sort of business magnate in the city a very famous person it's thomas allows her boyfriend to viciously abuse both her and her son he experiences some severe head trauma and has no conscious memories of this she is hospitalized diagnosed with psychosis he is bullied for his sweet innocent personality and mental illness i like you arthur you know a lot of the guys they think you're free but i like you the crowds at his comedy shows heckle him uh he suffers physical violence from strangers he is just in a world of hurt real crappy life real just really sad really really sad life he goes to a social worker for therapy but due to budget cuts in the city the social worker no longer has time for him he can't get his medication anymore he can't get therapy anymore because he can't afford it and you know across the film things go from bad to worse for him until he finally turns to violence and in an outburst of violence finds some amount of catharsis it seems so we're dealing with arthur fleck you are correct sir it is arthur fleck the joker yeah from the 2019 film joker what a film by the way wow fascinating absolutely mind-blowing i don't want to say i enjoyed the film because it's not enjoyable yeah it's not a fun and it's not meant to be it's not meant to be no it's what it is is effective and fascinating yeah it is a brilliantly made film in a way that i just was not expecting from the guy who made the hangover movies and i mean i'd read a lot i'd read up on it actually i saw it after it had been out for some time and so i'd read a lot of people saying joaquin is great but the film's not that great like that was a lot of what i read about i completely disagree as a film fan and we'll talk about my thoughts on as a therapist in a second but as a film fan i thought the filmmaking was phenomenal i thought the scripting was fantastic and they say well it's a ripoff of taxi driver and king of comedy i thought it was ironic tarantino was saying is this what we're doing now we're recycling movies from the 70s and i'm like tarantino you don't get to say that man mr i recycle everything oh my gosh i mean no tarantino's talented but oh he's brilliant he's the best recycler of 70s cinema that there is i'm a very optimistic happy person this film doesn't fit into my personality nope and i loved it it's so good it's just so well made but it's so good as a therapist looking as a therapist a lot of the conversation in my community about this is the portrayal of mental illness right in the film there's a lot of division some people say it's a very compassionate look at what it's like to live with all these symptoms the the torment and the anguish and the confusion as well as just not having a place to fit in because people don't understand it so they want you just to act normal and so there's a lot of compassion towards mental illness but then others are saying well there's danger here because you could interpret it as as stigmatizing right as stigmatizing because he does become a killer and how many people fear those who struggle with mental illness because they're afraid of violence and the horror stories and things like that and so here's what this film is what this film is is a call for kindness and compassion for the mentally ill what it is not is a boogeyman story of and a cautionary tale of if you are unkind they will snap and kill you yeah and granted it could have been clear on that point and in my opinion the way to watch this film i know this is going to sound pretentious but i have no other way to say this the best way to watch this film is to recognize it's fiction to recognize it's it's a very gritty grounded take but it's still based on a comic book villain and that it is not saying causality you know it's not saying mental illness and poverty and anguish lead to violence because we all are responsible for our own actions right and he turns to violence i also read there's a very strong political component in this that's yeah you know calling out like if we don't fund as a society mental health programs this is a possible result right it's not a right one-to-one this will happen it's this is a thing that could happen and it is bad yeah well and so i want to speak on that because we're we're in a political show we're not political at all i want to speak on that as a therapist i have i spent several years working at a community mental health clinic for people who were on medicaid and i know a lot of people who are against any sort of public funding of health programs and i'll tell you this right now like these people can't afford it on their own right and a lot of people they can't either get and keep employment or the employment that they get isn't going to be able to cover their health care yeah right and so there isn't there's a component of this that you could see it as political um i see it as humanitarian it's moral yeah yeah it's it's immoral and so we have a breakdown of the system that fails arthur and that contributes to the cocktail everything that goes wrong right yeah so let's talk about arthur's uh symptoms what what's he got going on we talked about his history but in order for me to diagnose and treat i need to know what are the symptoms that he's showing well let me give you the symptoms as far as i read them okay uh so he's got his uncontrolled outbursts of laughter and crying it's almost fits yeah it's it's almost like a like a tick he creates an alternate reality which he believes is real i don't know if that's a psychosis or what that i'm sure you'll be able to diagnose with the neighbor right with the neighbor he has he has fantasies or an alternate reality in which she's dating him and is supporting and compassionate yeah because she was kind of nice to him once on an elevator right but in the end they have a whole relationship yeah and that's all portrayed in the film as this brilliant unreliable narrator stuff yeah that for a while you think is real and then it's like wait but it's not oh man the film is so good well what's so cool about it is they portray they don't say this is all in his head like they i mean they do later when he like he faces the reality that she doesn't really know who he is right and he doesn't have the right to come in her apartment as a boyfriend wouldn't hang out yeah and she's terrified that he's there and then he's like oh well and then they leave ambiguous how he gets out of there we don't know what happened to her which is chilling to me that's the most frightening part of the film to me is we don't know what happened to her yeah did he leave or did something happen and then he left well and my my thinking is that he didn't hurt her because we see other areas where he he shows compassion he targets and kills specific people who were bullies or mean to him and he lets other people live but we don't know what's real and what's not right how much of this is is in his head versus how much of it actually happened i mean for all we know this could be like that buffy the vampire slayer episode where she's in a mental hospital and her entire career as a vampire slayer is all just in results for all we know like all this stuff didn't happen or some of it happened and some of it didn't or it may have happened differently yeah he may have he may have killed her yeah or he may have just left like we don't she may not have existed we don't know it's all but that's that's anyway that's one thing that's so brilliant about this movie is you actually experience what it's like to feel insane yeah to feel madness and not know what's real right i i had it brilliant i had a training one time on schizophrenia where they sat another therapist across from me and we were and you're supposed to have a conversation while other therapists in the cohort are talking in your ears and sometimes they yell and sometimes they whisper and sometimes it's gotta be really funny and sometimes just make noise and after five minutes of trying to have a conversation like i was like i understand why people present as just wild and because i was like shut up [Music] right and watching this film is like that not as unpleasant but it does make it does make you feel like oh this is what it feels like to live with this because i don't know what's real i don't know what actually happened or not you know and what's brilliant is unlike a beautiful mind which i think is a great film but a beautiful mind ultimately like lays the cards on the table and says here's what's real here's what's not and you watch joker and when it's done you're like i said hold up wait a minute simon ain't right the contrast there is the joker never comes to understand what is real and what's not and even if he did he doesn't care because he found the thing that he loves which is violence and john nash is a good guy right so you know valid point that's the that's the difference there uh okay just a couple more symptoms and then we can get on to the real the good stuff the treatment diagnosis here we go so he also doesn't feel remorse for killing in fact he feels yeah it seems he feels liberated by it which is very creepy um he has suicidal thoughts negative hopeless thoughts and feelings but then other times feels on top of the world dances down the stairs you know that whole that whole stick so you know there's there's symptoms that to me read as depression but then there's other stuff so i'm maybe bipolar i don't know we'll let you diagnose today's episode is brought to you by nordpass nordpass is awesome it is a password manager it will store all your passwords you can store secure documents and notes and it all is within one vault that 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diagnose arthur fleck i'm gonna give you that thank you let's diagnose arthur fleck i'm gonna open up my pretentious filmmaker notebook here it's got a book a book of jokes so i did a lot of research going into this episode because i wanted to get the psychology right because i do work with anxiety and i work with depression but largely i work in relationships and so i was i was reading up what every every psychiatrist psychologist said about this film that i could find and the one that i gel the closest with is dr imani walker who is a criminal psychiatrist i mean she works with so she knows exactly what she's talking about she works with people with mental illness who act out violently so that that five percent that we're talking about right right she diagnosed arthur with bipolar disorder bipolar one most recent episode of manic with psychotic features and then something called pseudobulbar effect so let's let's do a bulbar effect pseudobulbur yeah of course okay so when it comes to bipolar bipolar is i have manic episodes where i feel like i'm on top of the world i can do anything i have all this great energy nothing can stop me and my silver linings playbook silverline's playbook and my reasoning is impaired by this exuberant hyper optimism yeah everything's going to go great no matter what i do yeah to an unrealistic degree everything's going to go great and those episodes tend to last days weeks or months but they they last an extended period of time and then i fall into depressed episodes and i feel hopeless despair negative thoughts i'm worthless my life isn't going to amount to anything and oftentimes loss of interest in things i used to enjoy suicidal tendencies suicidal thoughts self-harming behaviors can all be a part of that so do the depressive episodes in bipolar does it track with just regular clinical depression yeah generally pretty much one to one so what ends up what the major difference is between bipolar and major depressive disorder is if i have major depressive disorder i have depressed episodes lasting days weeks or months and then i come out of them and i feel kind of normal just like at a baseline and then i go bipolar yeah and with bipolar i go if i go into manic right that's bipolar one bipolar two you have something called hypomanic which is like manic but uh scaled down like that's that's the biggest difference okay so arthur throughout the film we see him go from one place to the other we see him go from manic to depressed and back again he's actually entered into something called rapid cycling bipolar which means that instead of lasting days weeks or months as in manic and days weeks and months and depressed stress can bring on this yeah that happens across hours or shorter bursts of time and so we see times where arthur says to a therapist all i have are negative thoughts all i have are negative thoughts right right in times where he's walking and he's clearly just moping and he's clearly and i'm moping as a judgmental word but he's clearly down and feeling hopeless you know where he wants to die and life is just miserable and then we have times where he's like i can get up on stage in front of a group of people and i can crush it everybody's telling me that my standup's ready for the big clubs even though he can't he definitely cannot he definitely cannot and where he thinks that beautiful girl down the hallway even though i've probably never really had a relationship before i live and i live with my mother and i have a hard time talking to strangers i could totally sweep her off her feet i can absolutely do that and so he goes he goes mannequin depressed and mannequin depressed and so that happens more rapidly as the film goes on because he's under more and more and more strain yeah now why most recent episode manic because if we're diagnosing him at the end of the film once he kills his mom yep he's manic for the rest of the film he's manic for the rest of the film he's dancing on the stairs you know that is i mean he's depressed in the cop car until the accident and then he's the messiah of armageddon i don't know but he's loving it yeah and so he goes from i'm gonna go on murray's show and i'm gonna kill myself too i just killed my mom i just outran the cops and started anarchy where the cops are getting torn apart i mean that is that is the confidence of a manic episode that is a i am totally in control and nothing can touch me i'm going to kill my co-worker yep i mean he's going to come over i'm going to murder him and then i'm going to tell the other one hey i'm going to be on mary franklin's show tonight i'm going to be on tonight you should watch me on the show i mean i don't know why the the buddy doesn't tell the police hey here's who just killed this guy and he's going to be on mary franklin's show like that to me as a plot hole but arthur's saying that and thinking that he's immune to the consequences of what just happened is it's mania not almania is that detached from reality but for him it definitely is right but then he goes on the show and instead of being afraid he's dancing across the stage he kisses like oh yeah the doctor ruth stand in he gives her a big kiss big smooch you know like he he's just like on top of the world nothing can touch me now let's talk about the psychotic features sometimes not always but sometimes bipolar can manifest with hallucinations and delusions so delusions are when you have a belief that is not based in reality and goes contrary to the evidence that is all around you so he has delusions that his standup act is gonna crush it that audiences love him that he's gonna go on murray franklin's show and it's gonna be a hit and then he has these hallucinations we were talking about which in his case is part of his bipolar where he believes that his girlfriend is with him at the hospital he'll open the door in full clown makeup and kiss her and she'll be like this is cool i'm into this yeah you know like he and all these things never happened now let's let's address this pseudobulbar effect so pseudobulbar effect is it's sudden intense bits of crying or laughter that are just completely out of control it's crying and laughter that doesn't seem right for the situation we see like when he's on the train and the guys are tormenting him yeah it's such great acting it's i i just have to say joaquin phoenix playing this role is a revelation as an actor it is one of the best performances on film i've ever seen i don't know what we've done to deserve two of the greatest film performances ever are both the same character right played completely different ways right but uh no it's his his performance is so incredible what do you think performance wise about when he is laughing and crying at the same time and how does an actor even pull that off i was watching and i'm like i i don't know how he's doing this how do you it is it is absolutely gut-wrenching i mean as an actor the best performance that you get as an actor is when you access something inside and you're just experiencing the real emotion right you can use tools and tricks and whatever and like pretend and like fake an emotion but to to really get it across on screen and make people believe it you have to just actually experience the emotion yeah which is one of the things about acting that's so brilliant is and so hard is you have to be able to get yourself into an emotional state over and over and over again to do multiple takes and different angles and all kinds of stuff right acting is one of the hardest jobs in the world granted you get a trailer and people will bring you nuts whenever you ask for them but uh that's that is it that is the pinnacle of i would like some nuts please nuts of all the perks of being a superstar you picked they bring nuts to your trailer dude cashews have you had cashews before they please remove these from my presents they aren't salty i asked asked for sheld get that car out of my face pistachios anyway he is such a method actor joaquin phoenix that i i don't know what he was doing to his brain but he tricked his brain into doing that yeah because he wasn't pretending he was doing it yeah i don't know how he got there i honestly don't and that's that's the big magic trick of movies is i don't know yeah i don't know how it's brilliant so the bipolar is likely genetic but the pseudobulbar effect is actually caused by the damage to the prefrontal cortex we learn in the film that he suffered a traumatic head injury when his mom's boyfriend was abusive you also stood by one of your boyfriends repeatedly abused your adopted son and battered you this is part of why he snaps and kills his mom is he realizes he doesn't know why he's had these struggles all of his life and it's because she failed to protect him yeah right now i would add that it seems out of the gate it seems like he has antisocial personality disorder after all all the symptoms are there there's deceitfulness he tries to get the file on his mom he shows reckless disregard for the safety of others when he brings the gun to the children's hospital the biggest one is that he shows no remorse for hurting the people that he hurts right let me get this straight you think that killing those guys is funny i do and i'm tired of pretending it's not the reason i wouldn't diagnose him with antisocial personality stories because those symptoms can actually pop up with bipolar sometimes and i would probably fold them in with that in his case yeah put it in with a bipolar stepping away from um the psychology of it and going into the family therapy aspect his relationship with his mom is codependent she needs him and he needs to be needed and what's happening is it's actually keeping him from flourishing becoming more independent because yes i mean he has clown gigs and stuff and how much time does he spend at home because she can't be alone and it's not even she can't bathe herself she's physically capable of bathing herself she just won't yeah this whole relationship is she needs her boy and this is his identity is i take care of her yeah it's not very healthy he also has a really deep need for love and acceptance can we talk about the scene early on where he fantasizes that murray calls him out of the audience and like gives him a hug yeah that scene with murray as like weird creepy pseudo father figure you see all this the lights the show the audience all that stuff i'd give it all up in a heartbeat to have a kid like you it's brilliantly written it's brilliantly played by both of them because in that scene neither of them is winking at the camera yeah right they're not like i'm playing a scene right now it's it's so genuine it's so genuine which when you pop out of it makes it even that much more disconcerting yeah like this is what this guy thinks in his head yeah is real and it's man but he craves so bad acceptance from a father figure because he never had that he craves not acceptance but also praise and kindness and support and he wants a tribe i mean the whole movie we're looking at him like he doesn't fit in anywhere he's trying to be playful with the kid on the bus because maybe i can connect with this person and mom's like would say stop bothering my kid leave my kid alone anywhere he goes he can't even with the the clowns for hire you would think if there's a safe place for to not be bullied if there's people who understand that you're a little unique he's clowns for hire he clowns for hire yeah and and there's the one guy who's kind to him hey offer i had will happen sorry mate and everyone else treats him poorly yep right like he doesn't have a tribe he doesn't have a place to belong and ultimately that is part of what causes him to crack there is so much film language and so much subtle detail going into making arthur fleck seem small and making him feel reduced and minimized in so many of the frames especially anytime he's in the therapist's office he is surrounded by clutter yeah which implies the clutter in his brain yeah he is always framed down low in frame so there's just tons and tons of headroom above him which makes him feel small yeah it's just small windows into his his mindset he feels insignificant and he dreams of of being significant and yeah what a drab therapist office by the way oh brilliant the production design is fantastic i mean every single department on this movie was firing on all cylinders the the score by hilda goodness daughter i'm sorry i don't speak icelandic elder gustner daughter [Music] the score is haunting yes quiet and oftentimes weirdly atonal and it gets inside his head in such a beautiful way but then it also plays counterpoint to what's happening sometimes and he compared to other iterations of joker music like on batman the animated series like and and batman the tim burton one there's it's also kind of this big orchestral circus like it's kind of a clown circus yeah and then and then you go to dark knight and it's just like unrelenting tension like this razor tension and that's but with this film like if you hear there's an origin story about joker you do not expect this score not at all and you don't expect it to be you know it was not only set in the 80s it was filmed with a bunch of vintage lenses that are lower contrast so blacks aren't black they're raised up into the gray a little bit and whites aren't white they're brought down a little bit it's just kind of mushy it felt like a grimy indie film from the from this md late 70s and that was very very specifically done and the the thing that was really interesting about that is the more he becomes the joker the higher contrast and the more saturated the colors get yeah he becomes more aware of the world around him and sees it sharper and there's more clarity for him i know what i am now yeah and life isn't so depressing it pops there's color there's life yeah all i needed to do was start killing this is not the message we want you to take from our episode today so how do we help him well for the bipolar and for the pseudobulbar effect there are medications that can bring that that chemical balance what i would address as a family therapist is the need for him to do family therapy with his mommy sure the fact that she let him be abused needs to come to light and needs to be dealt with their codependent relationship she needs to be more independent so he can be more independent because he's still in many ways a little boy and he can't become a man until he is rid of her and that's not the healthy way to go about it i actually never recommend that in therapy that you off your parents i think it's better just to have better boundaries and healthier roles i've learned something new but that's just me don't go all oedipus this is the first time he's hearing this so we need to address the codependency and and and disenmesh right disentangle with healthier boundaries but he actually needs a male therapist and i would almost never say that i don't really believe that gender matters as with a therapist it's it's skill it's compassion it's education that matters but in arthur's case i would say he needs a military therapist because he so clearly needs a father figure arthur needs to experience something that we call transference which is where you take your feelings in therapy you take your feelings for one person and you transfer them onto the therapist and then you work through things that way so if arthur has a male therapist his desperate need for him what he what he fantasizes about with murray you know if i had us i would give up my career and my fame to have a son like you arthur wants belonging he wants support he wants unconditional love and he wants it from a man yeah right and so at least early on i think it's some i would say it's a mistake but i don't think the system had any he's paired with a female therapist because this is what they got right and in her case she's overworked she's burnt out and she shows all the signs of therapist burnout when he's like you don't listen to you i don't think you ever really hear me you just ask the same questions every week and you might watch that and think what a terrible therapist but i watch her i'm like she probably started off pretty awesome yeah i i don't know a lot of people who go into therapy because they want to collect a paycheck and they don't care about people right because generally the pay's not that great right especially if you're working in in the public field oh she's underpaid she's overworked and she's probably burnt out and the only time that she actually shows a real connection with him is when they're done they don't give a [ __ ] about people like you arthur and they really don't give a [ __ ] about people like me either right she actually shows him empathy and compassion at that point what arthur needed from his counselor male or female is he needed someone compassionate he needed someone empathetic because that's what he was giving to the world and no one was meeting him there right no one was meeting him there and i don't fault the therapist but i do say that is what he needed sure and then finally he needed group therapy arthur needs a tribe he needs people who understand him who don't judge him who are going through similar things to what he's going through and he needs to feel like it's okay to be him and that he is accepted that he belongs and that's part of why when he's on the cop car at the end right like everyone's chanting his name like he's elated because he has a truck he has a tribe let's talk about the filmmaking of that moment and the performance and the the choice to use the blood like what do you think about all that i mean that's arthur fleck completely stepping into the joker and just abandoning the arthur fleck persona right he's gone he's just he's the joker now that's all he is and the filmmaking of it is this movie is deeply uncomfortable because it gets you to empathize with a sociopath it gets you to empathize with someone who is a villain uh and that's not something we generally like to do yeah uh and it gets you to empathize in such a deep way where you kind of get it and you kind of go you're almost rooting for him a little bit and then when he gets what he wants it's triumphant and that's deeply uncomfortable yeah and that's the filmmaking is all true you feel his is big and brassy and we're winning and you feel his elation and he's lit up by a burning city but he's lit beautifully and the crowd is chanting his name and it's so deeply uncomfortable brilliant film that i did not like yeah well it's not enjoyable but i i appreciated it i loved it artistically i loved it but i didn't like it yeah let's address do you feel that the film glorifies the violence or the homicidal or the society you get what you deserve you know like do you feel like it glorifies that because that was the fear that was the controversy right right and i mean obviously we both agree artistically it's incredible what about the messaging of the film you know there was there was obviously the controversy as it was coming out oh this is going to incite rioting and and whatever and hey that didn't happen and b it it can't this movie it didn't glorify it yeah it exposed it yeah and exposure and glorification are two different things and this showed you what it would feel like to be that person and glory in it and it shows you that that's not a place you want to be yeah it it did such an effective job of making it hurt yeah to get there and making it hurt when you're there like he's standing on the car and he's gyrating and he's doing his thing and he feels great but nothing's fixed nothing's better no i mean he's a figurehead he doesn't truly have love these people don't know him right right and it only feels triumphant because his life was so sad before yeah but he still got a lifetime in prison or if we're going with batman cannon he's going to escape and do all sorts of criminal mastermind things but his life isn't a happy life no right and so i my my takeaway from the film is not that we create our own monsters because the fact is mental illness does not cause violence right the columbine people the guy who shot up the movie theater mental illness played a factor in how they saw the world they still made a choice yeah to use this as a solution but what i think we do need to see is we need to have compassion for people who are suffering and even people who've done terrible things and this is where i come in as a therapist i've done therapy with people who've done terrible things and i have to dig deep and still find the person there that behind most people who've done awful things is a person who's hurting and a lot of times we can prevent it by showing them love and compassion well and i would say that with this version of the joker the arthur fleck joker the tendency to violence was there that was inherent in the person but the lack of treatment for mental illness the lack of compassion to him from everyone else around him is what drove him to violence he may have been a powder keg on his own but we lit the match exactly yeah that's fair so until next time we used to think our show was a tragedy but now we know it's a comedy watch movies hey

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Length: 35min 10sec (2110 seconds)

Published: Thu May 13 2021