Untold Stories About Iverson, Kobe & Phil, Shaq's Pranks, Wild "We Believe" Warriors Nights & More

and as soon as we walk in this is our coach by the way fellas Woody in the back rolling joints like H like I didn't know that he didn't give a that everyone knew so we go back there and Woody Harrelson's rolling joints and we're back there smoking joints at Woody harelson bro it was [Music] unbelievable welcome back to another episode of podcast P presented to you by prize pck of wave sports and entertainment original we have another special edition of story mode with the one and only star from the super successful show all the smoke the big bro Matt Barnes man apprciate apprciate man hey before we get started man I want to uh shout out to y'all man I love what you're doing especially I mean I've known Jack for a while P we played against each other and I've known pops forever but just to give another perspective I feel like media is Shifting and everyone there's a lot of former players doing it but there's not a lot of current guys doing and I feel like as a fan of the game now as a former player like I want to hear what you got to say I want to hear what Draymond has to say I want to see the guys are in the mix have to say so I just want to shout you guys out for doing your thing man I love it thank you thank appreciate appreciate you I mean throw it right back at you brother cuz you pretty much pioneered this [ __ ] for us to even be able to navigate yeah you know through uh this podcast space and be comfortable in it and it was initially you know hard when we came and and we talked about it just cuz you know the backlash of you know how focused is he if because he's doing this we were Dallas and I were talking about it in the back yeah so I you know I constantly get that but you know um you know always first first things first I'm always take care of what you know the main job is the first thing first exactly exactly so we appreciate you for just opening up this Lane glad to let us you know kind of get in this with and I love it too like I don't I was talking in the back like I don't look at any any of us as competition I feel like it's just a shift in media and people want to hear have to say so there'll always be the ESPN and the foxes and the Stephen A Smiths but each of us have a different Outlook and perspective and and and where you're coming from and where you're coming from and it's something you can't get at the network you know what I mean so to me I love all my brothers that are doing this and sisters that are doing this because again to me this not competition I just feel like it's a shift in the media and now we're starting to tell our own stories instead of having to go with the narrative that people paint exactly thank you again for that we appreciate that man doubt bro we had a little we had a little you know we had a little ice breaker we talked about it a little bit in the Green Room about this this posum in the kitchen situation but you know we want to hear your side of like what actually happened pums can be nasty nasty this one but he was still big before you the the thing I didn't know though if I was scared to watch it with you with the posum or your feet I don't know feet was more toe up you pinking feet when I see my [ __ ] Ain even bad oh now your [ __ ] was bad when I sir sir was really scared of your feet yeah no don't get my black sandals convinced with my nice [ __ ] these feet have been through hell and they still nice I take care of them no but uh to get to the story no it was I was moving man and and and I was telling you like the the the the last thing to come down was our bigger projectors so we had the dudes in and out of the house the door wouldn't open long but I was carrying a box and all of a sudden I seen something Scurry behind me and I froze like when the cop and you see the cop siren and your heart hits your stomach I'm like what the hell was that and uh so I put my [ __ ] down and I went in there and it was a possum and like as soon as I turned the corner we made IC cont this [ __ ] like rose up and loed up on me and I was like oh my God so for some reason I just thought it was funny but I was scared of [ __ ] but I'll say this if I didn't film that I probably would have been screaming a lot more cuz I was really scared bro I'm hopping on counter to counter I'm on live people are telling me what to do like excuse me like white people tell me pick it up by his tail man [ __ ] out of here you pick it up by his tail I'm not touching that thing but I threw fruit at it like tapped it with the golf club lucky I say the most important thing is I had all those boxes there I had those big moving boxes and I made him like a little maze right out I was like you know we both go home to our families tonight like show peace so you know I hit him with some oranges and I sprayed him with some water and kind of got him active I shouldn't have did that but eventually he just decided it was time to go bro but it was uh that shit's Been Everywhere man that went on all the news and entertainment tonight and Inside Edition and all like people were seeing me at the grocery store like I saw you with the posum I'm like ah you didn't find no more animals in there did you no that was it man I think that was a one time thing what club what was a club with Choice N9 iron 99 I just wanted to let them know I'm kind of serious with it like it's not you know what I mean I don't need to get a wood out there but it's just come out I just want you to leave at the end of the day I want to have to hurt you right right right what matters would you have toen if like that didn't work probably animal I had to get them out though that wasn't an option to me to be honest with you like you got to go bro I'm not going to sit here and wait 45 minutes to get charged a couple hundred I'm going to have to get you up out of here somehow somewhere your boy whoever he was you called out show up want problem never show I didn't even know dude he was actually moving the TV but he came and looked I'm like you and I was about to ask he's like oh okay no I don't do this the description dude y out he like come help me and D I never show up I promise you bro if I wasn't on camera I would have been screaming I ain't going Li you I was like I fight anybody I'm not messing with no posum that [ __ ] was funny to me football free agency might already have you hyped for next season but while kickoff is a long ways out you can pick more or less on 2024 season stats on prize picks season totals for passing yards receiving touchdowns sacks You Name It We got it you can now win up to 100 times your money on prize picks with as little as four correct picks you can turn $10 into $1,000 with basketball hockey and college basketball entries today on prize picks Americans number one fantasy sports app price pick offers weekly promotions that can lead to Big payouts like taco Tuesday each Tuesday price picks discounts select player projections up to 25% to provide even more value look I 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you were a freshman on campus in 1998 but talk to us it's a long time ago mhm talk to us about your time there but more specifically a few years later or before Kobe gets drafted yeah uh in 1996 by the Lakers and I know he would work out uh up at the the John Wooden Center just talk about seeing him coming ining the summer getting his work and just your experience at UCLA it was dope this is pre- cell phones man I'm dating y'all like I never had a Pedra that's how you used to have to get you have the pag just on campus but I didn't have a Pedra so I was I was in the win uh but UCLA was a blast man so Baron Davis's class is right before mine they came in as a number one recruiting class and then we came in right after with someone named Geron rush if you don't know him he was coold PG kind of you're more skilled but like you 67 does everything a monster brother right yeah Brandon's big brother could have been should have been a prenal allar man but we had Ray young we had the number one recruiting class back toback year so I came to UCLA and it was just popping my first year at UCLA was an NBA lockout so we had everyone coming to our game Shaq Kobe they would stop the game when these people this is Westwood I'm coming from Sacramento like this is what La it's like and then we're going to Hollywood parties and all the like the screen like it was it was like being in the pros you know without the money you know what I mean like we got a little bit but it wasn't Pro money but it was the life was great but being able to fast forward to crossing paths with Co because you know it's well documented like him and Shaq kind of at the beginning it was you know some whatever type energy So Co was kind of a loner off to S he was always on our campus eating working out sometimes just sitting down um I remember he used to come in and and go into uh py after we had practiced I remember the one year I don't remember the year it was but he had a a cast on his wrist and he was doing workouts left-handed I'm just like this dude is nuts but he he hadn't he kind of just started taking off but he was still in there being cold so just from the jump I was just a fan I'm just like this dude is cold like I don't I don't know if I'm going to make it if this is what if this is what the league is you know what I mean so just seeing a young him at n you know 19 years old was was was dope just to kind of see his work ethic and how hard he worked at that young age CU he's only two years older than me you know what I mean so it's just like yo that was definitely the bar so it was just a lot of admiration uh from the beginning was there was the cuz we know about the uh you know the RICO High runs and stuff like that was there Those runs were going yeah definitely a guy named um Adam but then most of the time magic used to run him and Magic was dirty out there you could never be we had we had him on a live show with all the smoke no it wasn't he would coming with his own players but he would just call [ __ ] the whole time and it was magic so you couldn't it would be point game uh you know we're on defense is Magic doesn't have the ball like someone's guarding you you're on Magic's team and he'll call the foul four even if you know bring that back down here young fellas like we get the rebound they missed a shot of you call of f it was it was it's legendary Paul Pierce got on our podcast one time and told stories how magic just completely magic the runs up but uh we had those runs and it was dope you know when I'm first I'm I think I'm just turned 18 so we're in there with Kobe and Paul Pierce and Shaq I mean Those runs from the jump were legendary I was a kid like what the [ __ ] is this like so to me I credit that with me kind of getting the mentality in the dog to understand what it took to play on that level I credit the men's gem for you know for our crew that made it to the league like it was was the men gym cuz we always played as a UCLA unit sometimes we get hot some days we get our ass kicked every day but we got to bump with these real pros and Allstars as teenagers MH shout out uh Rico hin myg for what he's doing now he brought it back yeah for I mean cuz you know everybody knows you want to get some runs in the summer there's only one spot to go and that's La yeah Rico runs baby I do want to talk about you know I didn't I didn't know y'all necessarily played together at UCLA y'all was there at the same time but the relationship before was a little rocky with Rico yeah heard about we heard about that we heard about that so R so Rico used to pick on me bro yeah cuz I used it it funny as is like like I almost had to like turn my Thug up cuz I came like light skinn good hair like or what s like people used to try me Rico used to steal my brush in the locker room and kind of bully me and we got to he's one year older he's one year ahead of me in grades but like two years older than me or three years older than me mhm so my sophomore year I think or is either my junior year I just got tired of it and uh we were playing pickup and I knew I was going to be the starting three and he was talking [ __ ] like he was going to be the starting three and it was going back and forth and I was getting the better of him and next thing you know he swung and missed and it was on yeah so you know if you were there you know what happened I got down on bro and uh I walked away and uh pause uh now young [ __ ] be you know and then something got thrown and hit me and then we locked back up but oddly enough through that situation like bro we became best friends like before I I guess he was just kind of checking my temperature and I let him know I wasn't you know really with it and we locked up squashed it and and to this day I call him one of my closest friends so uh great dude uh you know know his mom his sister was in his wedding like that's my dog now but it came from locking up locking up that's honestly the best yeah yeah honestly the best you know that's kind of like how a bom is a bond is forged is through those those tough times who his ass I had to who his ass one time oh man I want to go back to you know those runs uh in the in the 90s and early 2000s right um Master P was also up there at these times talk to us a little bit about try to bully me too yeah I we I heard the story of that if y'all two getting into it yeah hey I'm trying to tell you Pete I used to try me cuz I was lightskinned and this is like only one tattoo so they're just like who's this lightskinned dude one tattoo I'm like and it hurt my it broke my heart cuz like I was listening to masterpie heavy like my senior year like 11th grade 12th grade year so I'm calling back to home like you'll never guess who's up here Master P I seen silk and woo woo and I'm just like Yo No Limit is up here next thing I know Master P is trying to bully me so I'm kind of letting it slide at first until I had to like bro I'm not playing these games like we you know what I mean he was fiery and I was fiery people didn't really know but I was fiery too so I wouldn't say it almost came to blows but it was just like bro I'm not playing none of that [ __ ] so we could hoop or we could do whatever and think it kind of and to this day him him and I are cool like we talk about mercy and getting my twins working out with his kids and we see each other at games but I just got tested early you know what I mean people wanted to see what you know check my temperature and and and and that carried on into the league until I just had to keep letting people know like this is so they finally kind of realized like okay I think he he's about what he says and and and let's let's let it be what it is yeah how did uh I'm I'm curious on like the background of those runs and and correct me if I'm wrong but during your time were you guys playing in the same gym as they were wasn't there another there was three gyms that they had no with some it's really been the men's gym sometimes we'd play in the wooden Center if the if if if that was occupied but it was really the gym that Kareem played in got it you know uh a coach wouldn't coach then you know what I mean it's just a historical gym it's you know you walk up the stairs it's old and it kind of just has that Mystique to we're actually trying to do a documentary on that right now I've got a group of people we finally locked in with UCLA so you know we're trying to see if we can put this together you got to think but there just wasn't much film back then you know if you were there you were there if you saw Shaq tearing that [ __ ] backboard down or Kobe going to work against Paul like you you were there you know what I mean so it's just like to to be able to bring that back to life and have these guys talk about those runs um they were incred I mean people fought like it was serious this this wasn't no these were just as competitive as real games although the summertime CU it's just it it was I felt like it was one of the first times that all the stars were in the same spot so no one was trying to get shown up by anybody and I'm getting 18 like oh [ __ ] yo yo UCLA y'all up I'm like oh okay who am I you know what I mean so it's just like I was a fanboy but in the same moment I got thrown in the fire and got you know got cleaned out one time by Shaq and like I it hurt but I thought it was cool like Shaq just [ __ ] me up okay let's go you know what I mean so it's just it was such a great learning experience while I was a teenager yeah I think I think it is like it's a bucket list destination spot that you have to go if you're a fan of the culture fan of basketball yeah you got to get there early it's the best of the best you got it's carried on to to to your guys' time and you know Braun's been like everyone's been there at some point KD you like everyone's been there and played and it it's just dope like I said if those walls can talk they would tell some crazy stories right I don't think so to be honest with you I I think cuz you know I feel like it shifted like when I first you got to think my first year in the league was 0203 you know what I mean so it wasn't La wasn't really popping for a basketball scene you know I mean it was more New York Miami and then all of a sudden that it shifted and everyone started coming to LA and that's when that [ __ ] really picked up I mean there were there were runs there with local LA but this is when like the everyone started coming to La for the summer you know what I mean cuz it was just it was popping you know early 2000s women rims the vibe at La the energy was different so everyone was here in the summertime and that's when that [ __ ] really started picking up so I wouldn't say that people avoided it I mean there's some people that got embarrassed and some people that got beat up but I don't think anybody ran from it right right right yeah I say that as well I mean obviously you've know more of it than I have but I mean it might be dudes that show up a day before just to be like okay this is what it's about the next day they suit it up I gotta get I gotta be a part they want to come check it out yeah for real n it is and I feel like nobody misses at that [ __ ] like everybody is locked might get your ass bust but everybody be locked in and there's three courts and you stay in the loser Court two or three time two or three games in a row then no one's watching your game and the competition level goes down it's [ __ ] you got to stay on the number one or the number two court third quarter don't mess with that I see how you represented your school today yeah man we did a root to fight did a collaboration with Jackie Robinson well I need that hoodie F my name and it's the bottom too you know mean it's it's a piece they come together I'll see if I I know somebody that ow somebody that knows somebody so I'm see if I that Jackie Jackie Jackie want the Jackie Robinson yeah that's all I want to say you know yeah I want to uh take you back to your right before you started your NBA career ask you about when you first played your first season in the ABA for Long Beach jam and you played with this dude some some some I don't even know what to call this dude you know who I'm talking about Dennis Rob rman bro yeah I want to I want you to tell me what was it like playing with that man uh unfortunately it it it didn't last long cuz I got CAU up but he was trying to make a comeback I think he was fresh off a motorcycle accident correct me if I'm wrong but I think that's what it was but we were together for like three weeks and he would come to practice with Entre and flipflops and his bulldogs and just super super cool didn't really talk a ton like I would try to go out of my way to kind of but I wasn't nobody at that point you know what I mean so I wasn't really trying to do too much but it was cool man I wish I would have got to play with them longer but you know luckily I got a call up to the league to the Clippers and and kind of was off but it was dope you know me super cool you know helped where he needed to help but you know just was kind of to himself I mean you got to think this dude is a five-time champion I think at that point if I'm not mistaken you know what I mean and he's down here in the slums we's going to War as Mexico to play games you know what I mean like it was the grind and to me to kind of fast forward through my career and be able to make it out of what I made it out of and play you know 15 years of of basketball just it made me appreciate everything bro like first of all I feel like I'm better than where I'm at right now but it just made every it made the entire Journey that much sweeter because I know where I like I wasn't you they think oh you get drafted I got drafted and cut and that [ __ ] is real you know what I mean so how do you pick yourself back up and and get on your marathon and get back to the league and that's what I did wow Matt I got to ask you just because uh they know that my dad coached me in Paul in high school but when I was probably 10 or 11 years old the pumps used to coach or put together an exhibition team that would play college basketball teams they don't do that anymore but I believe on that teamed oanon Ed one of the oanon brothers Matt was on the team I was like 10 or 11 they all had these big headphones I told my dad like I need some I need in the bus we they played up at Fresno State I remember driving up I'd sit on the bench and and just watch these guys play but when was that was that after this was before that was after when when was that in your career actually no that was before that was before that was right when I got cut from Cleveland before I went to the G League okay and then the other thing yeah so it was I was I had to ask you I'm like where was that in your career was cool man I got a chance to meet him back then and then randomly my fiance finds finds his church maybe and she's like there's an amazing pastor and one day she was watching them cuz she couldn't make it I I'm not I don't go to church all the time I just saw you the other day I'm not going to lie to you football's Sunday at least you some people sitting to my but but crazy enough so my girl is watching it on TV and I just take on her phone I look I'm like let me see that she's like what I was like I know him that Dudley like yeah that's his name like oh he used to coach me she's like what and so we came to and we met you know I introduced him to my fiance she was a big fan of him like loved his preaching and um you know like long story short but yeah it was dope Rihanna came to church this weekend by the way I got back Jackie she smelled great Dallas Dallas is g to been talking about man bro it was she walked in y make sure y'all edit this nice for Dallas I wanted to know where that was in your career cuz I know it's been right after college different so that was a long time ago we really came your chur yeah yeah she did I met her so after the ABA M your first NBA games or with the Clippers ended up starting what nine games yeah it was crazy because I went not to cut you off Pete I went there played well but this is right when Sacramento I'm from there and the Lakers are going at it this early 2000s and I would go home every summer and I work out with C web that was my big homie Mike BBY Jay will they were traded for each other but both both the homies like I was working out all the time Rick Adam and they were one of the best teams this is right after you know the refs cheated them and and Lakers won so I'm in my hometown working out and my agents telling me yeah we're most likely going to work out a two-year minimum deal to go back to the Clippers I'm thinking like but at that time it was like bro we won 14 or 15 games we used to prac that South by Southwest we used to have to leave the back doors open so people wouldn't Rob our cars there was no locker room no shower like the Clippers were the [ __ ] hole back then bro this is Q Rich um no Lamar just left Elton BR uh ke my first day of practice bro I kid you not and they're going to laugh when they hear my first day of practice Keon dueling and Quint Rich got in a real fight like right when I'm kind got my [ __ ] they're bringing me in these dudes are squared up and swing connect like I'm like oh this is with the league like yeah crack you know what I mean so that was my first day so it was horrible so I say all that to say like Rick adaman came up to me and I because I worked out all summer I was playing pickup I was playing really well he's like what are you about to do this your son I'm like I don't know you know I got got some options he's like you want to stay home I'm like what this my hometown team mhm so I sign a oneye deal there and then I get traded with C web to f Billy and that was horrible that's when I first met AI uh kicked it with bro but it was it was bad it was it was it was doomsday you know two years there didn't really get a chance to play I was almost out The League come year four you know what I mean and then Baron Davis at the homie College homie I was back home for the summer and he was at Golden State he's like hey we about to play pickup like come [ __ ] with us I was like all right so I drove down to the Bay for like an hour and a half like really well Nelly happened to be watching came down and same thing adaman told me son what do you you know two years later what are you gonna do next year but this time I I didn't know I was training for football at that time too because my brother was uh playing football I was a football player first I'm like my agent had lined up like six or seven NFL teams to do like a private workout so I was like training some of my days I part of the days is football part of days basketball went up there play well Nelly puts his arm around me after like hey I can't promise you anything we have a full uh training camp roster like they had 18 19 guys if you play like you did today I'll give you an opportunity I'm not going to promise you nothing but if you play how you play today I'll give you an opportunity and I beat everyone they had in training camp out and then two more guys they ended up cutting to sign me so I went from the back of the bench in all in one season to starting and that was that we believe season and then from there on it was you know I kind of I was good but it took I was almost out before I was even in it's a lot to un pack there hey you put football bro I was I was I was almost done bro and baskball how was that practice just like [ __ ] just different I was I wasn't cuz football is my best sport I was recruited All-American football and basketball but I just didn't see no one 68 at the time you know what I mean there wasn't and after that came the Antonio you mean you saw Tony Gonzalez but he was 6'4 you know what I mean but there was no one 68 and there wasn't really basketball players making that jump outside of Tony but then you see the Antonio Gates and the other guys start guys that played college basketball and just went to the leag for went to the league in football and like football I was really good at basketball I had to work at you know what I mean so it was just like [ __ ] if this is not I'm play pro I just don't know what it is I don't like to ever disrespect nobody but I was I could really play football I never knew this and I felt like you know once I made it I felt like I was a football player in the NBA that's why I love physicality like I love I love playing defense I love being physical because I'm used to like having a tackle and getting tackled did you play UCLA so I was going to I went out actually my junior year Bob Toledo uh Kade mcdown was I think Kade mcdown was the quarterback or he just left Freddy Mitchell DeShaun Foster the coach the coach of UCLA I was out there I went out there and did Spring ball did a couple practice is and then we had talked to Administration and they were trying to oh we're going to have to change your scholarship you know you probably won't start for basketball you have to move out the we were in the dope dorms because we was hoopers we probably have to move out and just like damn all this cuz I want to play football it's like forget it I'll just stick to basketball what position what you play that receiver that's so when you guys were talking about speeds like I like I really used so I I clocked at the Las Vegas we went to Las Vegas camp in high I clocked like a four 439 like I and I knew I was I was moving you know what 38 inch vert you know can really catch ran routes so when you said like 47 I'm like you have to work to get that you have to read that story up it's inacurate this guy played football he knows what a 540 looks like he knows what a 540 so the NFL miss you because of the dorm huh no I like no BS I really felt like again I don't like to disrespect any craft because to make it in anything is you know it's it's a dream come true and a lot of hard work but I felt like I would have definitely made a splash in football I just don't know how long it would have lasted you know I mean I'm 68 and this is before they made like it it's almost flag football now with all the respect all the rules what you can't do this is when they can take your head off right you know what I mean so it's just like I felt like now I walk and everything feels good now and I'm 44 and I'm good I don't know what I what I'd been feeling like or I'd even be here right was there any part where you like throughout your NBA career was any part where you was like man I wish I would have a Sunday Ticket that's why I told like all due respect I love football I love football more than basketball with all due respect I just H I lucked up and played you know 15 years of basketball but I love football so Sundays our Sunday Ticket who's your team ners okay Niner gang what was some of the teams that you had lined up that you could worked out Giants I think the Browns uh Raiders man who were they I don't want to misspeak any team people are going to try to look it up I I know those three for sure um but no they said there was like six seven teams that were I mean you got think I was a 68 athlete so can this guy really do it I think some people were just curious to really know if I could play but like football was really my for like the my rival High School had two Pros I don't know Dante stalworth that played and then Ontario Smith who was really good and got in trouble for the fake dick and got kicked out The League back when they was smoking so I played against dudes that really was in the league you know what I mean and and used to give them business they could tell you so like was Mega before Mega football you just think of like what would have came after that we probably would have saw a a a gang of [ __ ] big tall [ __ ] think I mean similar I mean I'm you know what's bra or about to be 39 so I'm about 5 years old than him but he was same thing you know I mean they me it like it's rare to get someone our size that could really do that know I mean most of the time I just throw it up like no I was running stops and Slants and all kinds of screens and all kinds of [ __ ] yeah he thinks he could I care I'm not mad at that I don't think probably on Madden no I think basketball guys I think basketball and this is again I don't want basketball guys can if you can catch like our athleticism and skill and and instincts like I feel like I wouldn't be mad if I you know once you got hit I want to see how you reacted once you got po but before that I think you'd be straight I gotta I gotta ask I gotta ask this question what what do you from a basketball player which one you think is is is is an easier adjustment basketball player trying to make it into the NFL or NFL other way NBA trying to make it uh or excuse me NFL TR what am I trying to say to the NL NBA TR guy trying to go to the to the NFL because again it's I mean you're going be a skilled guy so most likely you have to catch the ball you're not going over there to hit yeah so you see a lot of guys transition you know Antonio Gates and and and the redheaded dude from the Saints like there was a lot of big 64 65 66 tight ends that like played college basketball and it didn't go to the league that way and then crossed over and Antonio Gat is a Hall of Famer I mean but he's a basketball player they got I mean even even lineman like you see these big offensive tackles were centers and then now you put them on the football field and [ __ ] is Elusive and agile and at carrying 280 300 lb yeah I might take that back I might want a 51 they run a five to make S I'm give you I'm going give you a sub I'm going give you a sub five five and under I think I think you're right 499 I'll take his [ __ ] damn I probably bet the over to be honest with you though couple racks you mentioned your time in in Philly and so you go over to Philly and you get the opportunity to play with Allan Iverson and we all know you know Alan Iverson the Superstar on the court but from stories that we've heard just the rockar the celebrity that Allan Iverson was off the court so walk us through maybe a good memory or a trip that you took to Atlantic City with them like give us give us give us something on Alan Iverson and what that was like y y'all doing your homework huh um I've never seen and I've got to play with Kobe Shaq Steph KD I've never seen anybody love a person more than people loved Alan Iverson never seen in my life I remember one in particular there was this white kid in Indiana and it was snowing outside and he grew his her out and and did the cone rolls and markered a mustache on and had the arm sleeve on and didn't have no undershirt on it was snowing out that [ __ ] but just he looked like a little white Iverson you know what I mean like I just never seen going to visiting cities they'll Boo the whole team a cheer for him right you know what I mean or be out and about and it's just people are just mesmerized by this dude and and it makes sense I mean he he did so much for the game on and off the court culture fashion his game um but yeah I mean I I I really didn't get a chance to play on that team that was you know I almost beat up Mo Cheeks on that run um I was almost out The League the next year was the Golden State year that second year the next year was the Golden State year where I was almost done and luckily it happened but um just to be around him off the rip super cool let me drive this little little uh where I got traded with web and he let me drive a little um what was it a little little Mustang for like two months until I got me a car just super cool took me to Atlantic City he was just a homie because him and Webb clicked up and I was like Webb's little brother bro I was miserable out I was just smoking weed and playing video games bro I was working on my game but I didn't this is a young Iguodala a young Kyle corver uh Lou Will who was a first year Lou Will and I just they just didn't let me give it a chance like I I would use the games like this back when we really practiced I would use games as practices and mo Chiefs are yelling me for shooting the ball and we almost got got the fight and it was hell but to be able to kind of be little brother like be web's little brother and be able to move with him and Chuck it was dope we go to Atlantic City I got my own penthouse suite and Louis the 13th do what do whatever you want I'm just he it's on the house I'm like H they would sometimes give me money to gamble I gamble some put half that [ __ ] in my pocket bro like come on man I don't know I don't know what tomorrow's going to bring me so I might need to save this [ __ ] for a rainy day but again to to to to [ __ ] with him and be with him and be with web man that that that alone was amazing and then I got on my feet that following year with the Golden State team but there were some dark times out there but uh you know being cool with both them and until this day I mean Alan Iverson is under all the smoke Productions now you know to kind of I'm trying to get him back out and start to talk and and do his thing because people love him so much so it's just kind of a full circle moment uh from again it's Allan Iverson you know what I mean so it's it was dope do you have any stories of him we heard that he he would like to go to tji Fridays and I think he was play pool his CL that was his club like that was his Club that was his club like that [ __ ] would be packed po consistently forgot I think of something like that or he just love just love loved to be there led to be there he was just he he was a people of the people person you know what I mean he was one of those Superstars that was touchable you know and everybody just loved him to death it was like I said it was Philly was cold Philly would Boo the team sometimes but they would never boo Chuck and other teams would Boo the whole team sometimes but people never booed AI on the road it was crazy yeah I when you think about it he doesn't really like he's not really relatable you know at that time with the cornrows the the tattoos um the smallest pretty much on the court on most occasions like it is it is crazy like you know asking you like why did you think he was like just just because of how he played the game I think the way to get to be there and see him and and the way he played I mean this dude was he was little but he would always have these big bruises on his hips and burst of sa he if I'm not mistaken he said he started wearing the sleeves CU he would fall on his elbow so much they would start swelling up like tennis balls so he was just beat up and he was the he was saying well you know you want an hour later obviously you wanted it later you know what I mean so you'd see him kind of limping around sitting down and then all of a sudden he was able to turn it on get beat up all like that's when they could take you down you know what I mean like Big Fellas would take it the Chuck scoring a lot come over and a hard foul you know it wasn't a Flav or nothing just how the game was played so just to see his day-to-day and and and the way he played and worked and then you know the love he had for his family and his mom was around it was just got a chance to see him and I think you know although he wasn't relatable he was relatable to the hood and I think he was a hood he was a hood Superstar you know obviously an NBA superstar but he was relatable from that point he wasn't your prototypical poster child for the NBA but he was relatable to to the inner city was that a dream to go back and and play because you said you know you had those runs with BD and uh you was in front of Donnie Nelson was that a dream to kind of go back cuz you know golden state is close to sack I'm well I'm originally from I pops was in the street so I was I was actually born in San Jose and was kind of in that bay area area growing up and then went to sack when I was 10 so to be able to come back to the bay and and the bay was always just so dope to me cuz I mov to Sacramento we was on the move and and some [ __ ] had happened so we went and this was a Cow Town I'm used to and I'm Italian in black but I'm used to you know playing outside with the black kids Mexican kids Asian kids wo wo I go to Sacramento and although our neighborhood isn't that good my parents always put me in white schools you know what I mean so I just never really got never understood it till I got older and that's a whole another story but I always felt so much energy in the so to be able to come back fast forward you know 10 15 years later and the team wasn't that good at the time but the fan base was always so amazing bro so that's why we took so much pride in that we believe season because we gave them hope again and that [ __ ] was rocking them that series versus Dallas I mean you know it was crazy was Steve cerr was a commentator for TNT at the time um and then when I went back my last year and we talked everyone that whole team when I went back to Golden State for my last year when I finished in in in in the team won a championship the players the fans the media the coaches like what was that we believe team like it's it's like a myth out there yeah and Steve C you know said like I you know we we we've run and we've won backto backs and we've I've never seen a crowd louder than that crowd because it was just so new to them you I think this team spoiled them and now they're in you know now the the the gentrification of the game took over and they're in fris and the prices are crazy but they were smoking weed bro in the crowd yeah like you know what I mean like it was just it was Oakland it was Oakland toe bro so it was dope no it is interesting cuz you know I played with Monte and Monte would tell me some stories about that you know we believe team and you know just I think what stood out more than anything and the reason the success came with that team was just you know it just felt like y'all really had like just a Brotherhood y'all was together y'all was connected he'll tell me Man On Any Given night a dinner it could be 10 to 12 guys you know what I mean they're out together at the same time every clubs dinner like we smoked we drank together the team was he would tell me stories of like we done table before the flights put a bottle on the table like they were fights were fight and this is kind of pre like social media was a PO like we got in fights in clubs and and all kinds of like we were it was it was a different energy like we drank we smoked we would go practice hard like it all changed when Jack came to the team so when Stephen Jackson came to the team like he kind of took he was had a little trouble pass this was Fresh Off The brawl and then he had a shoot out so they had to get his ass up out of Indiana so Jack comes to this team and I knew from the jump I Didn't Know Jack I had played against him I didn't know him I looked at his lips and I knew he smoked so I'm like I'm going [ __ ] with Jack you know right after rib Rock kid you not you asking we start smoking we're going over his house after practice and smoking and watching game film right and just hanging out ordering food and just from there like we all bought it I looked at his lips I knew you that a perfect your lips is black yeah I got [ __ ] with was yeah I used to I knew I knew yeah I KN I knew what he was on so like we instantly Bond and that team and you got think Monte was a baby I'll call you a quick story about Monte Monte got his first tattoo bro it's this cross right here and we were in saag like one of the last games of the Season he got this tattoo from my tattoo artist I had it on video one time but it was grainy as [ __ ] sweating his ass off tripping like Monte was the baby got think Monte came out of high school right you like they say like he didn't take no shower to got Le he was always bass he's from Mississippi you know so just straight country boy so we kind of just came and corrupted him so bro came out got this tattoo at the end of the season came back next summer tatted or next season tatted more than all us bled bro all this [ __ ] tatted but he was he was so cold as a youngster bro like people don't I don't think he gets enough credit for how good of a bucket he was he was tough and he'll dunk on You country he used to crease his pants like Monte was country as hell but cool as [ __ ] bro yeah love Monte he's to this day where were you guys together at in uh Indiana he was there uh I want to say I I what was there two seasons with him like he was just someone I instantly gravitated to because yeah that was our young fell he was just like real you know what I mean it it was just a authentic authenticity to him where he was just himself he didn't care great dude great vet Y and it was a time where it's crazy to hear you call him a vet he was a baby he was a teenager with us that's crazy but for me it was a time where everybody was everybody left right it was you know George was the only one from the team with Roy David West um Danny mhm uh George was the last of of the Mohicans of that group and then so when Monte came over you know outside of George I didn't really you know everybody that I rocked with was gone so it was like man I need someone to fill that void of you know I had real ogs real big brothers and mon came in and filled that void and and instantly it was just like man this dude I [ __ ] with this dude man he's funny as hell he's country as hell country as [ __ ] he fish I love fishing so we'll go out on lakes man we was killing those crappies he was just a good dude man and and and and it did suck at hindsight now I I I understand where he comes from because it' be times where he be like man I you know I I ain't got it today man y'all want it tonight y'all want it today or y'all want it tonight real question and that that resonates with me like like you know just how much you go through how much you put your body through and some days it's just like man my [ __ ] like yeah I can't move and you to you're you're you're rare you know I mean you do it on both sides of the ball like I wanted to ask you I think it's so dope because I caught a little bit you know you when you started going was kind of towards the end of my career but like there's so many great players out there but a lot of young players like love you like you're a lot of these young kids goats which is dope but you're like the prototypical 68 69 do it all you know mean on both sides of the ball so I want like how does that feel amongst cuz like a lot I mean Carmela son came out a lot of these kids have said it and people are like like when I look at the comments like they're surprised I'm like no PG is a [ __ ] killer and like I said this is your game is what this newer game is obviously you bring IQ with it a lot of these young mother you just want to do all this but you bring a high IQ with it but it's just like when you hear that amongst the greatest who ever played this game or kind of in this ER right now like how does that make you feel honestly bro it it it's a blessing honestly because like I I never approached the game I was always felt like I was chasing someone like you know I was trying to chase and be like Co and be like T-Mac um those was you know the guys I looked up to so you know it always felt like you know now I'm hearing these stories of of kids having similar you know approach to me cuz I mean let's be honest it could be Braun it could be you know KD it could be you know like all of these guys that they could really be like man these are my goats not you um it's it's been me that's dope but you know I just feel like I've always tried to play the game the right way I've always tried to play Both Sides I never credit you know my shot could come and go it's been nights where I've been awful from the field MH but I never let that impact how I'm going to play the game you know what I mean and I and I feel that's what you know kids kind of resonate with like you know yeah we see the flashiness we see you know him going off for 30 40 Point nights but he's still going to play the right way he going to make the right passes he going to handle the ball he going you know create opportunities he's going to rebound he's going to want he's going to take the match up and guard the best player um so that's kind of what I get out of it more so than anything it's just like man I I just rock with how he approach the game you know what I mean he just play the game the right way I love it I love hearing it yeah so it's dope and I actually had that moment in in Charlotte with Brandon Miller oh just recently that's probably seen it yeah yeah yeah and it was it was a crazy moment playing against him and as we're playing he's like in awe when I make a shot he like damn you did Dirty p no but it was like as we play like I I haven't had that moment while I'm playing someone being in a you know in awe you know I could I make a shot and I could see him on the bench and he like like I mean it's it's it's surreal from a standpoint of like like I was telling you earlier with UCLA I got a taste of it in college but when you get up there and you're playing these dudes like obviously we're not going to Fanboy out like I'm a I'm a man like you but it's just like these are people that like you looked up to and like now you're bumping with him you know what I mean and you're you're out there doing playing defense and hitting shots on him it's just like it's one of those moments you know what I mean and I I think it's dope because you know in an era where people don't get respect I think it's it's such a Negative environment now but for people to like come out and say like you're theirs I think that's dope because I I'm I'm a fan of your game and I know that you do and I love that you think along with all your tools so it's just like the dope to see you kind of get your flowers in the day and age where people hate on Steph and and KD and Braun all the time you know what I mean so it's dope appreciate you appreciate you so Matt you talked about the We Believe Warriors and you guys were a number eight seed and you ended up beating Dallas who was a number one seat but walk us through that series what was maybe one thing about that series that most people don't really talk about we knew we were going to beat him coming in we had success against during the regular season and you got to think Nelly kind of helped build that team you know I mean so uh we knew what Dirk was going to do this is the first time that Nelly put jack me they they because Dirk was a dirk was a problem back then if if he were too small he would post you up if you were too slow he'd go around you but we got like we're 68 you know 220 230 a little stronger more grittier we started playing Dirk with small forward at the time we were small forwards at the time playing Hall of Famer and every time we knew he was going to dribble and spin like we just took Dirk out and Nelly like cuz I don't know there was some kind of beef with him leaving Dallas I don't know who it was over some money or what the [ __ ] happened but there was Funk Nelly just gave us that confidence that like this is the game plan if you fall the game plan we're going to beat him so we went in thinking we were going to win and we took game one in Dallas you know what I mean and then after that we was rolling we was at the Crescent Court you guys still go president Court we bro we was smoking that hotel out bro oh my God they gave Jack the two-story room that had the upstairs with it we waso we was yeah we was okay bro hey we PG probably one two we was but we would go in there and we would you know we would go we go play the game we stole game we some people we say we stole it we went in there we ordered some food in J room we smoked and we all went to the club together you know what I mean like it was like a real team Vibe and just from there we just had the confidence and then once we got back to the Bay we knew it was over like the crowd was standing up an hour before the game like it felt like the gym was rocking you couldn't even so we were shooting our warm-up shots like it was packed people screaming yelling doing cheers for individual players like I've never felt no energy mhm like that the tree was in the air from the fans it was just like the there there was no choice but we we had to win yeah you know it was just different it it is like cuz when you talk about what is it the chase center now and and what was what's the Oracle the Oracle the Oracle yeah it is a totally different environment it's it's it it is a totally different vibe the two Arenas like the chase gets loud but I mean I've had times of playing in Oracle and it I would tell people like it's up there with with Boston it's up there withing like what OKC is now they get loud yeah it it was one of the best places to play in no it was it was dope and it was the first time in so long for them for us so it was they were losing their voices out there for us at this time you had coach Don Nelson as your coach and we all know he's one of the best coaches ever to ever do it and but at this time when you play for the Warriors you had said that this was the W Wilders Bunch together or whatever and uh I want to know at some point when did you guys think that Don was the right coach for this group I mean he was just dope I mean he came in and just implemented a style you know it's always been kind of Nelly ball he was a small ball guy and he kind of changed the game a little bit excuse me um you know Phoenix was started playing that style you know small ball and he was dope he we would come in we know we come in early get our work in scrimmage for a little bit and that'll be it you know I mean he wanted us to save it for the night he would come in in the morning at 10:00 a.m. with his little dog they would piss everywhere with the beer or a coffee cup but sometimes the coffee cup would have crown in it I mean like Don was just an original you know what I mean he was just different we won that series we made a cartoon about this we won that series against Dallas and now you would have thought we won the Championships if we was in the streets uh Snoop hits or before we get to Snoop we jack lived in the same building as Nelly but Jack's un likee the floor Nell's the whole roof so we go down there pre- party at Jacks go up there and as soon as we walk in this is our coach by the way fellas Woody in the back rolling joints [ __ ] like huh like I didn't know that he didn't give a [ __ ] that everyone knew so we go back there and Woody Harrelson's rolling joints and we're back there smoking joints at Woody harelson bro it was unbelievable so then from there we we smoke a couple take some shots yeah coach is over there talking to us great we we go to the club and then Snoop hits us he was in town he said nephew come through so me Baron Jack and my sister went to the uh Ritz Carlton San Francisco we go in there and uh this is right when the blue carpet dropped so we were watching the the animated version of the blue carpet smoking so Snoop would roll [ __ ] up and pass it so at one point bro we have three or four blunts in our hands loaded my sister didn't even smoke she got so high she passed out uh so we hear a knock on the door and Pete we in season bro this not SU we just won and me and Jack free like [ __ ] and they come in and they were cool what's up Snoop oh what up fellas good game tonight these [ __ ] unscrewed the window so the smoke can come out so the smoke can get out you know let us know if you guys need anything brought us everything on the menu yeah like that [ __ ] only happens with Snoop like we thought we were done bro like we had just can you imagine if David Stern found out we're all smoking weed and Carlton this is back before like you guys don't get tested now but we would have got in some real trouble but it was just a a crazy night for a round one win we we got to the second round was no Championship or nothing people say you guys talk so much about that team you guys won one round I'm like you're right it was just that that was just a different Bunch it was just a different bunch I was know [ __ ] did you ever smoke with your coach though duh no we wanted to hopefully we do we're supposed to go out to so no he he definitely he's kind of The Unofficial mayor of Maui he's got his own strand of weed out there he's out there walking around barefooted uh with his home with his Rich homeboy so we want to get out there and burn one with Nelly before it's too late yeah you got to do that yeah just thinking about that like how can you not play for a guy like that you know what I mean like he one of us yeah oh super cool he one of us I do want to talk about the next series you guys play against Jazz BD has the incredible poster on AK-47 lifts the shirt up it's funny I heard him talk about it not too long ago people thinking he had the waist trainer on oh yeah yeah now that was his thing for his back but you were on the floor when that play happened and and from that I I I think people they see that dunk but like they don't even picture Utah Jazz going on winning that series is more that dunk that that was the biggest highlight of that whole series uh that that matchup against Utah what what sck what stood out between the matchups with them I mean BD got Carol Linko but Carol Linko is the reason why they won that series he shut BD and Jack we slowed him down excuse me K Linko I don't think he gets enough credit AK-47 was a problem 69ine versatile uh Defender at move his feet block shots he can lock up a point guard but then also almost play as a center and block shots AK was different but that was a tough team that was mimo who was nice a stretch four when there wasn't ton of stretch fours Carlos Boozer was a young bull power fourward then a young Paul Milsap Milsap so that's is and this is when me and Jack are playing the four so we got to go up against 260 270 these dudes are big we got I feel like game one we got cheated at the end man you go back and watch how many free throws they shot down the end and then game two another some more [ __ ] that was one of the most racist crowds I've ever played in front of there was [ __ ] this [ __ ] that in Utah it was crazy like right no shame shame I said it like we catch him say like I just you know what I mean it was it was nuts but that was a really good team they went on and played San Antonio Timmy and them and then San Antonio won but what was crazy about that year and we even talked about this we were supposed to get Kevin Garnett that next year and there was talks about kg coming and and we it's funny we had Mitch Richmond on he he talked us from the management side we had ticket on a while ago and he talked like he's like Oakland was definitely one of my destinations before he went to Boston you know he he definitely considered he wanted to play with the Lakers he said uh Kobe would didn't call him back cuz I don't think Kobe wanted the Superstar he wanted to do his thing without Shaq yeah and Golden State and then he ends up going to Boston so we think the next year like we're going to have that we believe team plus Kevin Garnett right and we thought we could have ran with something but it just it it didn't end up working out damn talk about this that small ball with now kg in the loop the five we've been sick okay we we going to fast forward to the Phoenix um you witnessed one of the craziest injuries with Omari oh yeah getting his eye almost his eye poked out necessarily gauged out yeah talk to us a little bit about like it was a preseason man we wasn't even it was a p it was it was a inner Squad scrimmage and he got poked and went down and he was like I heard like squeals that i' never and you know he's strong tough like it was just like damn and that's when he came back and wore goggles his rest of his career but it was a crazy time cuz this team was kind of moving like I guess transition they had we had Shaq but we had got J Rich and had Steve Nash and this was a good team and Terry Porter was our coach I think at the time Terry Porter was the fastest coach ever to get hired I think oh boy took the record which is crazy over there in in in Milwaukee this year but Terry Porter just tried to bring a high school college system in we were doing Indian runs in trading camp with Steve Nash and sha like can you imagine that [ __ ] like what are you doing bro running with the balls above our head like what the [ __ ] is this you know what I mean like we got Steve Nash we got Shaq like the way Shaq used to talk to the coaches it was just all bad bro and just that that that season was just great opportunity playing with you know G Hill and and and Steve and bar young Barbosa but that [ __ ] was just doomed yeah what was the initial because I like I can speak from my experience of getting hurt you know as a season is coming up when I broke my leg it felt like you know I deflated the whole organization when Amari had that injury did it kind of had that same he was our Superstar you know I mean we had Shaq but Shaq's on the back side of his career Steve is dope but was incredible bro they used to call him stat coock uh and the superhero that everyone L to hate yeah from from Hancock but Mari was tough bro he have his kill spots and be these are my kill spots I get here I get here I here give me the ball you know I mean like he was just different he was a [ __ ] monster right right you know what I mean rebounder dunk on you mid-range catch lobs like Amari was a problem but that yeah that poke in the eye completely derailed the season completely derailed the season where would you rank him from all the guys you play with from a talent standpoint I mean p the one thing I say about my career bro I play for a lot of teams but I got to play with a lot of great players like where would I put him as a power forward who I got that c web was a power forward that was nice um Mari Blake young BG BG was a problem Zebo he's up there play with some great I'm I'm just trying to think just power fors I mean I play you I think I play with Allen Iverson Steph Curry Chris Paul Steve Nash right Kobe Vince Carter Dwight young Dwight how bro people don't know how good he gets so dis disrespected is crazy but with a young Dwight Howard I've never felt more comfortable playing on ball defense than I know I had Dwight behind you cuz Dwight will block that [ __ ] or foul you hard like Dwight's all smiles but on that Court he was a monster strong as hell bro so Dwight yeah I mean I played with a lot of great players and you know made a lot of lifelong friends so like the journey was fun but um yeah how do you think they get that wrong of not putting Dwight on that top 75 list it's probably people that didn't play the just the game I I would love to see who made the list you know I mean got be a little bit of politics like yeah I mean you think him you think Vince you know Vince is someone who should have been a top 75 I'm sure there's other people I haven't thought about it but to not have Dwight on that top 75 is is insane M he was incredible and the [ __ ] up part was you know he tried to had that back surgery coming from Orlando to to to to the Lakers and wanted to you know prove everyone so wrong that he could still do it and he was getting a chance to play with that he rushed back like it was supposed to be like a a 8 10 month recovery and he was back in like 6 months if I'm not mistaken and he was just never the same but he still adapted I just don't understand like him and Boogie how they how how come they didn't get a chance to go out the way I thought cuz Boogie was close I play should I play with Boogie right right you talk about embiid and and and Joker Boogie was was a [ __ ] Boogie was giving you 50 point triple doubles you me Bo mean and he was a ball handler make plays he'll slap you like that's what I feel like he has on Joker and and MB both all three guys very skilled but Boogie will slap you too yeah you know what I mean and I like that I like that about him slap yeah but a lot of game comes with it yeah so I want to know is at that time is it true that Shaq was singing T pay all the time talking about we need Mike de anonio back huh Shaq was the funniest dude ever Jack is the best dude I ever had in the locker room and maybe some I I have a feeling he was kind of always like this but OB again this is the backside of his career man he used to [ __ ] with this dude named Lou Amison I don't know if people know but yeah yeah I remember Lou they had a back and forth thing and one time bro Shaq shoot around without [ __ ] this is we jack put lose mouthpiece in his tights and put it up underneath his nuts if I'm if I'm got thr sorry big fell he didn't know put it in his Oh Come bro if I'm lying I'm flying so everyone everyone knew but Lou everyone knew but Lou so Shaq goes through a whole shoot around with Lou Lou's mouthpiece under his nut sack and put it put it back in his locker and then before the game like Lou like coaches be talking and Lou is always someone that's going to kind of get up put his mouth piece in Jump Around stretch cuz he's an energy dude bro he put that [ __ ] in his mouth everyone died laid out on the ground but what can you I I feel what you say PG throw hands I feel it but that's Shack bro it it it might be it might be a polite like listen you got to put his TIR I mean they say I got heat for [ __ ] like that you know like you not fighting Shaq but Shaq was crazy Shaq would tackle people naked and he was just super he would keep the energy light and fun and then obviously you know be serious when needed but Shaq was such a cool like I'm I'm glad I I I was always a huge fan of obviously his Laker run and Orlando run I got the end run where he wasn't the same player but just the person he's a great person will do anything for anybody we spent a lot of time together you know I got to see all his kids bring the kids over and hang out like our families kicked it um so I was it it was blessed to be able to again not the Shaq that we all loved and was a killer but just to get to know him as a man as a teammate super dope [ __ ] up teammate Shaq during practice somehow got Lou's [ __ ] bike put up you know there's the three tiers on the stop light how Shaq got that [ __ ] during practice put all the way up on the top tier outside the prac like how the [ __ ] do you do that that had to be like someone from the city had to come do that for him and put a bike on a stoplight like what are you doing bro Jack is wow Jack is a fool bro and and we know how great you know Shaq was his time in Phoenix what in hindsight like what is the most or or what is weirdly underrated about Shaq's dominance and and and what he's done for the league he I I I to me it's he to me he's the most dominant player and I say with that all due respect to wilt cuz I felt like he played in an era where there was more bigs night to night and and then the competition was higher I mean Shaq in his prime you couldn't do nothing with Shaq he couldn't shoot but you still couldn't do nothing with you couldn't do nothing with him and he was mean too he will Shaq used to say okay he gets cook and let him come to land and I'm gonna lay him out like Shaq was on that old he played in the old school old rules um you know he he he was just incredible and I got to see it up close personal being at UCL you know what I mean being these LA Clipper or excuse me Laker and and King's rivalries and and get to see Shaq in his prime and tough and then you like so what I always loved about you always hear the stories too about what he does for people like he always looked out for people MoneyWise situation wise like he was just a really really good dude he's also an incredible player right right talk about like the Larger than Life yeah absolutely personality and yeah you've mentioned a few times like the old school he'd lay you out or put you down why do you think from a fans perspective this is just my opinion why do you think that the NBA has gotten you know so much softer like in your career you were known for being a tough guy you had a role you played hard no defense you played hard every possession and I'm just curious from your standpoint is it more so just the rule change I feel like that's the easy way to like say why the league has gotten softer because of the rules but I think there's a whole another aspect of what's that other aspect that you would contribute it to I think it was a business decision because at the end of the day if you think from a fan perspective you don't want to see a 9189 defensive B there's no highlights there you know now people rarely do people watch full games now they watch highlights so I want to see Steph shooting from half I want to see people dropping 50 I want to see PG go for 60 like I feel like with the rule change came the game became more Global because there's more highlights and it starts you hear it all over the place now like I feel like for real like I think this was day Stern's Vision they didn't know how it was going to get there but it's a global game now and I feel like because it's the uptick in in scoring you know there's a lot of scoring and scoring is a lot more fun than than defense you know what I mean so it's just like they they they've really made it tough for Defenders to lock in and play defense because they want people to drop they want James Harden to go on his historical runs and Russell to go on his triple double all that [ __ ] is more fun than a Detroit Pistons lock you down hard foul game you know what I mean so I mean I'm someone who obviously made a living you know played 15 years on on on being kind of a 3 and D guy before there was the 3 andd label but I mean I understand where it's at I would love to see more defense I would love to see guys compete because especially in the All-Star Game I never was an Allstar but I just think that [ __ ] is disgusting now you know what I mean and that's how you get hurt is when you don't play hard rightly you know what I mean so I just wish people would just be more competitive overall but you can't blame them because the rules allows it to kind of go that way could you pinpoint one rule if you were going to give the defense a little bit more you know what I I don't know if there's a rule but I think people like James Harden I wouldn't say messed it up I think James Harden is so intelligent that he beat the game you know there was years when P you know like he was getting 15 to 18 free throws a night because he knew how to draw fouls and kind of manipulate the defensive rules with the hooking and going to the basket and doing it and whether you hate it or love it it was effective right and I feel like you know that kind of was the kind of the transitioning point I think and when they kind of just stopped kind of you know as I as I was as he was going you know late 16 17 18 um they just kind of stopped you can't you know they kind of took the physicality and the aggressiveness out of the out of the defensive game and and and again I think it was because of we have some really skilled talented guys and let them let them be great let them go score all these points because that again that brings more eyeballs than a defensive battle does it so one other player that we haven't discussed was Grant Hill who is one of your favorite players you had the opport to play alongside him but how was that you know getting to meet Grant Hill and having an opportunity with see he's one of the greatest wh ifs you know him Penny you know you look at guys like that Grant was so cold bro Grant was cold he was before his time he was a triple double machine you couldn't do nothing with them Mike couldn't do nothing with him pip couldn't do nothing like nobody could do and he was a good dude and he with the Duke and Duke dudes get extra hate for no reason I used to not like JJ until I [ __ ] I [ __ ] with JJ now but I just didn't like him cuz he was he went to Duke but G Hill was so cool and it was just such a kind of crazy opportunity because I'm you know this is i' I've literally only played one real year in the league after that we believe season my mom died after that season I didn't really play that whole season then I'm in Phoenix so I really haven't established myself I had a good run with them then I followed it up with the my mom died and I didn't really have a good season the following year so I'm there but I'm on a mission because I know this could be my last opportunity so I come in there and and just try to impose my will on everything playing balls to the wall playing in and Grant was starting the starting three to start the season um and then at some point I don't remember who it was but I started at the three and I'm thinking like one of my favorite players uh you know could have been one of the greatest ever but more than a basketball player great person you know what I mean just such a great dude so it was kind of like surreal like going from my f one of my favorite players to you know me not even know if I'm be in the league to almost and I wouldn't even say beating him out it was just he was older you know what I mean so I got a chance to go from you know kind of backing him up to starting and it was just like whoa kind of crazy but G Hill was dope like I said a great player what he could have been still played a long successful career but I would say off the court even a better person very cool I want to take you to when you play for the magic your ass played for a lot of teams yeah bro I told you we went through and you guys are making sure you guys are getting every stop to yeah I want to tell you when you play for the magic and you had the big dog on your team Vince Carter incredible and you said he was one of the most gifted players you ever seen play so can you please explain why you said that first of all shout out to Vince him and chy just got inducted to the they they they got inducted to the Hall of Fame so congratulations Yeah just they came out today for show out to them Vince uh Vince easily the one of the most talented people I've ever met in my life just someone that could throw football 70 yards could still dunk at 46 between his legs with without warming up in in a in a suit um shoots jump shots left-handed like he's a right-hander from half court with no effort 3/4 Court from his ass though like he was just different he was just one golf like Vince does it all just one of those incredible athletes and and it was just an honor to kind of get to see that night and night out just just see incredible dunks and incredible scoring um and another you know one of another cool dude what you think when he scored that 48 points with them horn against the Hornet just incredible I mean I've just I mean i' I've seen him hit so many big shots for us and and and and in practice and and and over his career as a fan and and and he was he was different bro yeah was Vince on that team this is like 2009 or 10 so at that time I'm 29 30 and I think Vince is maybe five years six years older than me okay he may be pushing on 50 right at the at now so he's he's probably maybe you know backside maybe 33 34 at the time maybe yeah you I mean you had had a chance you know you spoke about playing with AI you spoke about playing with c um Grant Hill like what just made just Vince so much different like because he had the athleticism but he had the Finesse too yeah he was skilled super he was just one of the most I think god- gifted athletes I've ever seen but then he worked and and he was very skilled too I mean again he could shoot jump shots with his left hand and looks like his right hand like I can barely do anything left-handed you know what I mean like it's just he was one of them dudes that could launch a football and launch a basketball and just big ass hands that just and dunk and jump and catch it off the rim he was just different I think you know everyone that you mentioned you know worked hard and Vince worked hard but he had a lot of god-given [ __ ] you can't train for yeah that's crazy M this what we got to know got to know right here we got to talk about the know this was coming the infamous Baseline ball fake yeah walk us through the lead up the build because I mean I've had I've had you know instances in games where I get into it with somebody and for a moment it's just like all right it's a game within the game I'm gon [ __ ] with this [ __ ] now like it it ain't I might not necessarily be that mad or or that pissed off it's just I'mma [ __ ] with you now yeah was that kind of like how that played out I mean just coob and and you know you caught a little bit of him uh he was just he was incredible but he was also he would try to mentally attack you so whether it's playing games or elbing you in your sternum or elbowing you like he was just doing he was hit he hit me with probably he hit me with a sternum shot that knocked the wind at me MH i c it he tried to go I think Bing was guarding Dwight Dwight shot to jump hook coob tried to block it from the backside and I caught it off the rim and dunked it and as I'm coming down like he elbows me from like here here and then hits me in the chin and the ref [ __ ] ref standing right here I'm like [ __ ] you didn't see that yeah you I mean so I I was to the point where I just was like enough is enough um it was the end of March and and and you got to think Orlando and the Lakers played each other in the finals the year before so this was supposed to be possibly the finals matchup again it was late in the season and it was just a a real back and forth uh battle and I was just to the point I was ready to fight him and it was a good ass game back and forth I made him work I think he had 30 something I made him take close to 30 shots it was just one of them games where he was was Will against will and you know I end up faking the ball and it wasn't even like I tell people like to this I can still feel the moment like it wasn't like I'm going to fake the ball in Kobe's face like [ __ ] arms just did it you know what I mean I'm still watching the play was a double pick for Vince coming off the backside for a little layup or dunk but I'm just my arm like that's how much I wanted to like fight the dude and and it was it was it was funny cuz I you know we did his last interview and I told him we laughed about this [ __ ] and you know people know him because I told the story now but like after that season he called me and my my situation in Orlando didn't work out so I was talking to Pat Riley and D way about going to Miami this is the same season Braun and BOS are coming and they're trying to sell us on what it's going to be and d d and I get a random call from a from a number I don't know and I just happened to pick it up and it was him and I didn't believe it was him [ __ ] out of here it was really him we talked back and forth what I was going to do uh I mean anyone crazy enough to [ __ ] with me is crazy enough to play with me do you want to be a Laker and you know four days later I'm there you know what I mean so it wasn't it went from like again and it's crazy because the story started in the late 90s you know I mean just admiring him and seeing him being around him and kind of being like that's our bar like I missed MJ by one year so Kobe was our guy right you mean so to be able to compete against him at the highest level become teammates and then from there become brothers like we were off the court you know hanging out going to dinner people say like you're the only one that ever got Cod to go out you know what I mean we going out in Milwaukee and MB what you doing like just land I'm about to go smoke real quick he's like well call me when you're done and we go do something we go get some food I'm like all right bro you know so we kind of just took to each other and then you know fast forward after after Sports and he was coaching Gigi and I was coaching my twins and we would communicate about watching each other's kids you know my twins were like eight at the time and this dude you know I remember one particular time like we played at nine and they played at 11 and I didn't think he would come and this dude came 2 hours early to watch some 8-year-old play you know what I mean and he would always send the twin shoes and we would go watch Gigi and it was just it was something that started off at admiration and then it was a mutual respect to why we played and then we became teammates and and and played together but then it it grew into like a real Brotherhood um you know once became Laker teammates and and that was my dog man yeah that's interesting you said that you were almost a part of that big three Miami team though how like was you no I talk to Pat Riley like two or three times you know put DW on the phone and he was you know and and I don't know if Pat remember this if I'm lying I'm flying he's like you know the closing lineup is Braun you know D Wade you Mike Miller and Chris Bosch that's what he was telling us like can you imagine that on the floor we're all six seven 68 you know what I mean like switching everything doing everything that was kind of the and I'm like hell I'm for it like huh I'm forward but then I've always I grew up a Laker fan you know I mean so you get the call from Co like I ain't got no choice but to come to but it was crazy because after I like I was getting super de threats after that like I became like I was kind of the bad guy the villain whatever but like I became like the real villain after that [ __ ] like people said they like on Twitter they're going to kill me they're going to find my address kill my kids kill my girl come to La you better never come back to LA we going kill like they're not you can't [ __ ] with Co the messay in La don't play about the Lakers and particularly Kobe like bro I got so many death threats I kid you not and then I came and it was it was love but it was like see I'mma kill you it's just crazy cuz your natural reaction be like oh [ __ ] hold on no still it this day this I be flinching sometimes like damn I just flinched you know what I mean like sometimes you just do it and knowing me too I'm crazy I might have just hit you in the face with the [ __ ] but it would have just had to hit him in the face with the [ __ ] you know I mean like that's what he was on so I mean that's only him and I've talked about it so much but just like it it was you know obviously a viral moment when things weren't really viral but it it's really what kind of sparked our our our Brotherhood in in in the remaining years of his life got it so now you are with with Lakers and you're with Phil Jackson and this is one of this is the closing of Phil Jackson's time with with LA what's some experiences that you can tell us about your time with Phil this team's going for a three Pat and Kobe's hell bent on it you know I mean hell bent on it like his old MB I got to sit at the table with Jordan Jordan had six rings Co had five so this was his goal was to get that last um ring and this is I mean it was cool to see Phil I mean Phil you talk about bad feet Phil's feet are [ __ ] up D this [ __ ] used to wear sandals so he would always he knew he was a master at pick pushing people's buttons so he used to [ __ ] around Ron ESS and one day Ron went off on him he said You [ __ ] [ __ ] up feet you always [ __ ] having those like went off on his feet cuz Phil was trying to [ __ ] would him and push his buttons but that team was crazy bro that that was a transitioning from like the bus family not really knowing who's going to own the team Jim kind of stepped into the Reigns at the time and it everyone was like oh [ __ ] like here we go you know Co was trying to catch that last ring at the end of the season Phil has Us in and and tells us he has you know he has some health problems and that's why he's going to step away from the game and it was just like so much riding on that season and you know I tore that my only knee injury I tore my miniscus that year and was out right up until the playoffs and that was the year the Dallas went on their run like I think one of the toughest runs they smacked us I think in the second round they swept us uh when went through I don't know if they play who they played in the uh Western Conference and then they went end up beating uh Miami in the finals but it was just so much riding on that season then the next year Phil's thinking about coming back for some reason Jim doesn't like and doesn't give Phil the proper amount of time to respond then goes and hires Mike Brown and that [ __ ] was a disaster and I think even Mike will tell you I think Mike learned a lot getting an opportunity to go to Golden State and be under that tutelage but his [ __ ] was just like you know people really used to feel's way and Mike's way is different and and and he definitely didn't have the respect of the locker room and that was kind of the beginning of or that was kind of the end I felt of cove's window to possibly win it cuz you got to think man that team was good and that was the team that the league block blocked Chris Paul coming to our team tp3 is supposed to get traded for Paul Gasol and that drastically changed l so you know we're talking to CP CO's talking to CP we're thinking CP is coming and then [ __ ] doesn't go through and then you got dudes that have to come back to the like power was supposed to be gone and he handled it as as a pro but L kind of mentally [ __ ] Lo up and then shortly after that he's off to Dallas they trade fish and that was kind of like the team was done yeah end of that era I do want to talk to us a little about you talk about like talented people you play with L was one of like the players that I looked up to as well with cuz he was I I don't know I just he resonated with me with being tall linky and could do it all like how good was l oh Lamar was so good bro Lamar was so talented Lefty smooth uh you know kind of at the end of his career kind of developed a jump shot cuz he wasn't really a jump shooter he was like a a New York point guard stuck in a 6 10 body you I mean silky make plays between the legs dunk on you mid-range could do it all uh and and someone else too was always the cool like L was always making sure everyone was good like limo's downstairs after the game with L females on deck if you need like whatever you needed L was that you know he was kind of The Pusher you know I mean and kind of come find find Lo and lo knows the temperature of what's going on in every city so I have fun playing I play with L with the Lakers and with the Clippers and just a just a great dude and you know just had that demon and I'm glad I love to see his bounce back you know because he went through what he went through almost died and now he has rehab clinics and he's kind of you know making his you know trauma helping other people through it which is dope shout out H man also shout out to you real quick bro I saw you and Batman are building houses yeah yeah it's funny Chris B shout out Christian B that's Batman you know what I mean people in the comments like yeah man PG really is Robin man for real that's [ __ ] up that's he really is he really is surpr came speaking of feet let him do that to you bro what's up on we got room let him do that to you R what up baby we just got Reggie Reggie uh Jackson in the building absolutely yeah for real got Jacks in the building so I don't know how many fights you've been in throughout your career well I I didn't know this but now it's a fun fact that you were fined over half a million dollars during your NBA career Co game but only one teammate ever stepped up and said you know what Matt I got you on this one and that was Kobe he's he covered your fine talk to us about that specific incident and how did you find out that Kobe had paid that for you I don't even know what the incident was but I kind of feel like you know I knew what my role was and that's why I played until a lot of guys and I don't even mean to sound conceited and I was I was a role player and I know that I played until I didn't want to play no more not everybody could say that you know what I mean cuz I knew what my role was so a lot of the times the [ __ ] would go down it wasn't cuz people were [ __ ] with me it was cuz people were [ __ ] with CP Blake Kobe you know the guys that I play for and I never claimed to be the toughest but if we going towards a team I'm going to be on the front line with you I probably even throw the first Punch If you if I really know you're going to take care of the fine yeah so um the one person like I said I always got like you know there's a there's there's a thing where me and sergy Bak almost got in a fight because I felt like he was trying to bully Blake I'm like nah [ __ ] I'm not g to let you get in his head because we need Blake right so Blake I'll fight this dude if I need to you know what I mean so it was just it wasn't on no tough guy it was just to me it was a super teammate and I feel like I was the guy that people hated to play against cuz I'm going play hard as [ __ ] and I'm going to be on you and I'm going to make you work you know you know I my my job every night was to guard the best player so I'm going to make you work I'm gonna make you earn it I'm GNA hard foul you a couple times like it's just you know you're just going to know that I was there whether I score a lot of points or get a lot of shots not it didn't matter like I looked at wanting to play defense and and the privilege of guarding people like him every night and and you know us going me me going at it with Kawai in the playoffs and we bumped them out when I was with the Clippers you know and kind of ended their their their Dynasty so just that's what I kind of prided myself on so yeah coob was the only one that stepped to the plate even though probably 400 of that was for taking up for teammates but um you know again that's what yeah probably Co was my dog though that's why I say like Co was like my dog for real and but you didn't know right like no they uh I think one of the ladies told me like he didn't tell me okay like you know Kobe took care of you're fine I'm like what really my dog yeah that's my dog and I'm like I got a I got a funny like just just on cold taking care of people I got a funny story just of we're playing USA I don't know if I told this story playing Team USA and we uh this the young guys me John Boogie we go out right and uh you know we still on our our rookie deals and I at this time I'm not spending no money like that you know what I mean I don't know what's you know what's my future gonna be like you know John and and Demarcus you kind of tell they was going to be stars but you know I'm I'm on my way working my way up and uh you know so we I they finally like you know let's let's get a little Ace bottle I'm like y'all sure right all right [ __ ] it like I ain't gonna be the one not to do it so we get the little Ace bottle he said the little next thing you know it's the it's the the bottle girls coming out it's the jumbo junk so they three of them so I'm like damn like y'all like what what's what is so I'm like [ __ ] like it's it's girls in the section like I you not on none of that you looking out thinking how much of you how much you going to have to pay and I'm like Dam I don't like I ain't have no a ax or none of that yet so I'm like I don't know my car Mr George you got to put your pen in please so in my head I'm already thinking of like yeah yeah just just swipe it or let me let me let me talk to Y over here so that's I'm nervous as hell as these bottles coming out that's what I'm thinking of funny and then um next thing you know we standing on the we standing on the uh on the the the the back of the chair or the the the the couches the sofa we standing on the on the sofas and we get a tug from behind turn around it's cold hey man y'all enjoy the night and he just walks out and I'm like oh these is what and so the girl comes like yeah coob took care of it we didn't charge you guys coob got these botles you remember how much it was I don't even I I gave that [ __ ] to John just prayed yeah just pray you know what crazy and we man we was up there holding these big ass bottles after that you can relax a little bit enjo yourself I had a night I had a night after that hey uh Chandler Parsons told a similar story where he said it was his you know and he said Kobe he said they were playing in LA and and Kobe starts being cool to him and Chandler thought he was trying to mind [ __ ] him yeah and he's just like like during the game tells him he has him set up I think it was at some Club was it Supper Club Supper Club and they're drinking all night and having a good time and similar to you early in his career next thing you know the check on is 30,000 and he's like almost [ __ ] himself didn't know what to do and then the way just tells him that Mr Bryant pay for just you know put his initials and it was do but he it was simar like he thought he was going to die like he didn't know his dad was his accountant I think and he didn't know what his dad was going to say his life was over and Co paid for everything I mean it had to be it had to be S be about 30 40 Grand I was like God I that's what I was on my only concern was just the embarrassment of the car not working right [ __ ] is real real my car did not is real they got all kinds of excuses why this [ __ ] didn't work we know you ain't you ain't never been afraid of nothing except the damn possible you understand what I'm saying but awesome scared me I know you like the tweet tweet oh yeah you like the Tweet I'm getting right there I'm bringing you in like like I brought you in see I'm twe tweeting you seg way uh yeah yeah yeah yeah when you play for the Clippers you wrote a tweet that said sorry for taking up for these [ __ ] I love my teammates like family but I'm done standing up for these [ __ ] all this [ __ ] does is cost me money now I need you to paint the picture for me and then detail exactly what was going on in that moment during the time when you was with them Clippers I got I got thrown out yeah I got thrown out for taking up for Blake and I didn't leave in an Orly fashion so that right there was 25 for getting thrown out and 15 for not leaving an early fashion and then the Tweet cost me 25 the Tweet too 25 000 bro wow SI what was it just the [ __ ] part that they didn't [ __ ] with yeah they had to be the nigg it was during the game too cuz I I got thrown out so I just got to the locker room yeah the game was still going on too and it was just me I'm a repeat offender you know what I mean so it was like a 60 the [ __ ] thousand kickout uh after after all and it made me even matter CU I didn't obviously didn't know about the extra 15 and extra 25 for the Tweet start tacking [ __ ] on it was an expensive ass night bro you know that that was TW man I was so mad but but that like I said it's funny you guys brought the only person to ever pay for me taking up for him what's C what's c yeah and I was just like this [ __ ] starting to get too expensive I got twin twin boys now I got to start saving my man [ __ ] you fight fight your own battle right fight your own battle you know I was still front line next time but it was just like damn like godamn like I didn't do this for me bro yeah you talked about BG and and catching young BG um your second stand and hard worker too not to cut you off hard worker I I heard that I I've I've heard from multiple people that he really did on his first guy in like when they say people think it's the same BG is in there with a full sweat hour and a half before practice getting his working on his jump shot working on his ball he was so skilled it was crazy obviously the athleticism was insane but he was super skilled and and and worked his ass off for someone that's never like seen or got a chance to watch BG like how would how would you describe just being front and center and watching him grow incredible I mean I've seen some of the greatest dunks of my life from from Blake Griffin yeah you know and and and to keep it real DeAndre Jordan started blossoming and dunking them remember DeAndre Jordan dunked on Brandon Knight that I ran down the court like but just seeing those guys you know you could throw it anywhere and they're going to catch it and and Blake in particular he was just again super super skilled was able to stretch his game out were able to handle like a real point forward and man not it looked like smooth but it would like he got it done he had a nice strong handle could pass the ball shoot dunk um BG was a man but just he dealt with a lot of injuries you know but but but but but very very very talented mhm mhm you got to think there was a time when he was with the CLI was that Lob City team like he was on every single commercial right like five different GameStop bro he was perfect he was at light-skinned safe right dun right and he has a personality lot of people don't know yeah Blake is super he does stand up comedy people don't know stand up comedy bro like is funny yeah he's funny he's super funny I thought it was funny that that that whole year it was like Blake Griffin can't dunk anymore when he was on Detroit kept going I haven't seen his stand up but I've know he's done it he's done it he's done some roast too as well haven't you yeah yeah Y no he's funny Blake is a good dude so fast forward uh to the latter part of your career and you end up signing with the kings in the beginning of the 201617 Season yeah man did you know when when you signed with the kings that were were you in thought that you would end your career there for sure I mean this is the the Sacramento got the new Arena you know Kevin the mayor at the time Kevin Johnson before he left the one thing he did was make the kings were about to leave I think Kings were going to Seattle so me being from there I was you know I was just kind of following it closely never knew if it would pertain to me but they kept the king in Sacramento I sound like a two year with an option or something like that and this team's just trying to get over the hunt and um or maybe two games out of um the playoff pitcher hit Allstar but the whole year it was kind of weird like the paper called me the Boogie whisper everyone was so scared of Boogie mhm they would come and ask me how's B today or you know don't worry we're not trading them I'm talking about from the owners to the GMS to the coaches like what's up with B cuz you know it I guess it took a certain kind of person to get through to him but me and him hit it off the rip you know that was my little homie for real like big little homie um but they end up trading him at the All-Star line uh Allstar uh tra he found out at the All-Star Game on the podium they traded him after saying they weren't going to trade him so then I hear that see that I'm like damn I'm too old I'm 36 37 and I you know me and vlah talked and you know agreed to go my ways but let me get my bread and um it kind of happened as a perfect storm where I got released during All-Star break I think the first game out of Allstar KD uh hyperextend his knee in DC and next thing I know Steve Kerr calls me I'm on a playe to Chicago so you know I get a chance to go to this team 10 years after the We Believe situation like I told you earlier it was weird the fascination with that team from Stephen Draymond and Iggy and to the media to some the coaches like everyone was just really fascinated with the team the fans love me being back U but the [ __ ] up part about that was I literally didn't get I got to play like five minutes with KD cuz the first game he came back like a week before all before the playoffs started and I had like the worst spraying ankle of my life so um I go down in the first quarter and I can't really come back I try every single round to come back but you know me being an older player at that time I know it they're not going to change you know playoff rotations kind of get locked unless you're a superstar and I wasn't a superar star so I wasn't really ever healthy to get enough out there so that's where kind of when people hear like I wanton a championship but I didn't accept my ring or anything like that and I just kind of felt like my career was such a grind in a roller coaster that if I was healthy I would have been out there guarding Kawai during this run and and all the super stars with you know Dame and CJ and all those guys that we played along the way um LeBron in the finals that I didn't get a chance to do that like it just felt like kind of like a it was it was so disheartening but at the same time I just I couldn't [ __ ] and complain I had to be a good vet so I kind of try to keep myself in shape and you know would talk to Dre and Clay sometimes and they would get down and it just kind of be like a that vet that OG presence although they had plenty of it you know I'm not trying to claim any kind of you know credit for that but just to kind of be in that vet and just being cool and and having dope conversations with Kat after games and and and bonding with Draymond and [ __ ] with clay and it was just a cool time that I figured like you know although I didn't get to play as much this is year 15 I won I'm not getting a chance to see my twins I missed my sons like I was telling you before we started I'm 37 the twins are eight now so it's just like I'm missing so many times so I thought okay I'm still getting paid for another two years it's time to to step away from the game so I probably could have played I got I played 15 could have got paid for 17 I still got paid for 17 probably could have played another two three years maybe maybe got to 17 or 18 years but I just felt like the Investments I made had started flourishing I wanted to be a dad and and do all that Dad [ __ ] so I retired and and started coaching my kids and went one full custody of them and kind of left and and and became like a real full-time Dad yeah come on give it up awes that's awesome brother talking about Matt I heard you're actually going to be coaching one of Paul's Au teams talk us I'm the family now man uh no it was just dope I mean P's always been super gracious used to send our our our team shoes for the Twins and used to always look out for the Twins and you know we built a real good program you know national championships is eighth graders but our program wasn't big enough to go to ebl so we merged with his uh his 15U and so I'm over there coaching now so it's I appreciate the opportunity you know I mean you know help help you know continue to help build this Legacy off the court with you and your family and uh I'm definitely looking forward to the opportunity man yes sir yeah I need I need them I need them new pgs now the as you I don't know how that slipped my mind I forgot all about that that we brought you over um we appreciate you bro man for real cuz we we do got something special going on the the the the young guys have been playing their asses off and I've been amazed I went to uh a couple of the tournaments this past summer and got a chance to watch them um you know we had Carter Bryant we had uh uh Jace Richardson um they going on in but they kind of started the foundation for us so shout out to those guys that that unit um that kind of put us on the map to be where we at now so I mean I know the twins is going to turn up they going to take us to a whole another level looking forward to that they play they're versatile bro they play it all how tall are they they're about 61 6'2 they could shoot the ball but what's crazy was one of them spraying their wrist and we went and got to a hand and foot specialist in Brentwood and you know good news only a bone bruise better news and they're like what I you have huge I've never seen growth plates in a hand like this so um he gets excited like what's that mean so I'm like Doc can you give us height so he's like yeah actually when you're done come back they me like 61 and a half measured the growth plates put it on this little calculation he's like I don't want to get you too excited but you guys are going to be about 610 I'm like what so cra month I'm 68 wow they going to be taller than young so yeah right now you know it's obviously working on this guard skill set but if they get to 610 it's going to be a problem it's going to be a problem and they already on the stage as freshman so MH sheesh I'm looking forward to it man looking forward to the summer you know shout out Byron and and you know the rest of the family for bringing me in obviously you but definitely looking forward to representing the squad there you go that's yes sir appreciate y'all stay [Applause] [Music] tuned [Music]

Channel: Podcast P with Paul George

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Length: 92min 0sec (5520 seconds)

Published: Fri Apr 05 2024