Lou Williams On Why He’s A Hall Of Famer, Truth About The Bubble & Allen Iverson’s Influence | EP 29

welcome back to another episode of podcast P presented to you by prize PX of wave sports and entertainment original and once again we got another special guest we got the underground goat sweet Lou Lou will lemon pepper L way you want to cut it we got my dog in the mix shout out L will in the building the six man hey hey hey I like how y'all do business man I was in the car two minutes ago I walked in we got right into it what's we going to get you in get you out I love [Music] that welcome to the show man appreciate it man thanks for having me y having a lot of success man congrats to y'all appreciate it appreciate you know we had to get the underground on on the show hey man let's add some color to these occasions you know what I'm saying let's get right into it man we I know the people out there they want to know all right set the stage for us Friday or Saturday and we want some wings we going to the city the Magical Kingdom baby okay the Magical Kingdom what's that Magic City yeah we yeah Magic City hands down is that the best wings you so now everybody understands flavor though well I got my own flavor the Lou Wills the little will flavor little barbecue a little honey little lemon pepper that's the how you get how you get to that flavor [ __ ] after cuz that's a lot like your tongue Paws yo PA the taste bud on that one got to be like crazy you have all three of those did you have all three of those and then one was touching the other and the other one was touching the other just so keep it all the way 100 they gave me that flavor I ain't that wasn't something I was like ordering and they decided to name it after me they just gave me a menu item is it all is it all Flats no I go easy hey what I like flats and drums when it come to my chicken wings okay okay how you prefer the the cooking extra crispy than actually it got to be extra crispy I'm on Ice around here I got let me sit up be careful some people B some people iffy on Flats though I'm a Flats guy I like I like my wings flat oh I like my my chicken Flats if if I got a pick I'm going I'm if I got a pick I'm going drums though I'm going Flats I got to have flats what you going Dallas uh I think I like the drums but if if you can't have those wings like do you even eat them or do you have like a backup or can no we got a few backups it's it's a few backups shout out to trap Wings they do their thing in the city it's a lot of it's a lot of spots we are a chicken wing City so it's one of them places like if you go to New York there going to be 100 places you can go get New York Pizza you go to Chicago there's going to be a few places you can go get hot dogs we like that with the wings so but magic is you know now everybody understands when I sit I literally go there to eat I literally go there to eat and now everybody done chilled out now all of a sudden everybody want to go to Magic City like it's like it's somewhere aant yeah it's a now everybody understands me I want to know this though what what is the best thing that you like to eat with wings besze fries fried okra fried okra you a southern dude boy but this though that's the only place I like to eat fried OCH I don't eat fried Ocha nowhere else I'm try you're going to have to help me out peing that guy I I'm see I'm old school because I remember a time in Wings it wasn't even no Ranch though do y'all remember that it was only blue cheese I I probably do that'sa why I don't like only blue cheese the ranch was an experiment at a moment right and that's how and that's how Ranch got Ranch wasn't even a thing so you don't like Ranch I did I just think I wore it out to the point I wanted to go back to where I came from okay Pete I need I need I want to know so what's equivalent okra fried ochre for us uh in in in white people terms [ __ ] like some fried cauliflower broccoli some [ __ ] yeah okay fire though I just had some oxtails a few like they taught me how to make some oxtails was fire so maybe I should try this next yeah yeah if you ever find yourself in Atlanta reach out to the underground I I I come above ground to get you together got to learn how to spell it first I get you right Fri okra OK R AOK easy yeah that's all look the NBA season is here and prize picks has got you covered when it comes to making some money wait you said making money at what prize picks Jackie oh baby I can't even call it look and that's right with the season here priz pick is helping me cash in priz piix is a daily fantasy app and with the new NBA season here you can select two or more players pick more or less on their projected stats and you can turn $25 into 250 you know how I be doing Dallas but anyways look prize picks is really simple to play I can make my picks and submit my entry in less than 60 seconds Jackie you know why it's my favorite time of the year what Tim because we got football we got basketball but prize picks allows you to pick combo projections across all sports with specials so you can 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around the game when I do pop out or I go to a game or something I can really enjoy it because I'm not emotionally invested in what's going on you know what I'm saying I like I came to y'all game the other day and I can actually watch y'all as fans again I wasn't sitting there break down the defense I wasn't tripping on what the offense looked like I literally sat there with my son and I can just enjoy the superstars of the game just hoop and have a good time bro so I think that's been one of the major adjustments for me just getting that part of it out of my system do you think it help by you being in Atlanta you already at the crib you think that adjustment crossing over to the retirement life help nah [ __ ] I think that's what buried me I think they should they should have sent me somewhere else you cuz it's just it's this complacency when you at the crib when you already at home it's like I was done I was I kept telling it I was like man y'all can count my days I was literally counting the days down because I knew I was like man I'm too comfortable at home I feel like if I play out in another Market or another city it giv me that chip where I I got to kind of keep grinding when I'm at the crib I got too many comert around me so I think that I knew that was the beginning of the end when they sent me to Atlanta I knew that from the jump favor huh those those last two years in Atlanta though would you say that that was more difficult than than actual retirement just not playing as much as you're accustomed to was that a bigger transition for you hell yeah it was it was kind of like I don't want to say embarrassed cuz I felt at that point in my career my city knew who I was I I was established you know what I'm saying I was certified but I just I wanted to contribute I felt like I still had something to give to the game I still had something to give to that team but I felt like they were already in a position that they had invested so much in some young guys and it wasn't it wasn't really a need for you know the six-man job on that team even when I played well nothing changed for me you know I I won US basketball games won US playoff games and nothing really changed in in what I was doing for that basketball team you know what I'm saying and so that was kind of weird for me being in front of my peers being in front of my city being in front of my family my friends people that enjoy me that love me and just not being able to give them that show that I was so accustomed to giving them mhm loot a goat out there underground goat Beyond yeah that would be weird it'd be like us going to one of your games and you're just kind of sitting there not playing like that would be awkward but you but this is what I've learned P it's going to happen it is going to happen like it's it's going to happen it it nobody is safe from it unless you just go off in the sunset win a championship and you're like I'm done with all of us are going to limp out of the game we're competitive at nature bro we never know when it's when enough is enough mm M never know with all that said Lou has any teams been reaching out to you cuz I I think my Lakers could use you right now but I cut I cut the lines off I thought I was I I was very clear in saying that I was I was done with it and the one time that I reached out to somebody they like you went on a whole [ __ ] tour telling everybody you was done so you're not on you're not on anybody's board you know what I'm saying and so I had one moment where I was like if I ever was to come back I would play for that particular team uh I don't feel like that now I'm glad it didn't the team that reached out to you yeah I'm just I'm glad it didn't work out I'm going lead him alone they having a bad PR month ah yeah the but yeah that was it bro and after that I just I just knew it was time wow that's crazy we just crossed you over to being a Clippers fan and now he say my Lakers I said Clippers rewind the tap my Lakers could use you right now my Lakers could use you he said f the Lakers the first episode ippers you said my Lakers huh you said Lakers L I'm just these is the facted to be on I don't want you to I don't want you to use your replay on that we appreciate the honest you know what I'm saying like like we mentioned my dog nearly two decades of you playing in the NBA so you've seen the league change generationally you know from your standpoint what's some of the things that you've liked throughout the league and some things that you ah that ain't really where where it was at when I was playing man I like the fact how um so many guys in different positions are so skilled now you know you look at you look at the young kid wmy and then you look at a Giannis before that then you look at a KD before that you know what I'm saying you have so many guys that have evolved the game and what you you think it it could have been and to actually start seeing it um start panning out you know just just a style of play I like how the game is evolving um what I don't like we might have to put that we might have to put the dress code back in the dress C it's getting out of hand it's getting out of hand man it's getting it's getting out of hand it's almost getting kind of a little iy it's you know cuz some guys really some guys really have that reputation for really doing their thing in the Fashion World shout out Russ shout out SG they really got reputations for the Fashion World some of these guys are ill advised trying out he's had a lot of ill advised [ __ ] on but he he in the fashion where I give K's credit but sometimes he jump out the window I think some of that [ __ ] save some of that [ __ ] for New York Fashion when you coming into the arena like you know give us some give us some fly I ain't saying don't don't show no personality give us some fly but I think Shy wore a balloon one time or some [ __ ] like you know what I'm saying like the black joint right yeah big ass puff where does that go in a locker room you know what I'm saying can't hang you can't hang it up you got to deflate it and put that in the back somewhere he said where not go in the locker room yeah thatwhere but that's what I that's what I dislike about the game other than that I I think it's in a great place I think we got a lot of young upand cominging guys that's going to carry that torch into into another level you know the ant-man's like I just mentioned the wi's you know the Thompson Twins A lot of guys uh P Paulo down there in Orlando a lot of these guys going to be transcending hoopers man that's going to take it to another level mhm 100% 100% I agree uh we had Jerry West on the show and he mentioned watching Kobe in 5 10 minutes throughout the pre-draft workout he walked out [ __ ] he did that to me I think he just don't like going to [ __ ] you think so yeah did he go to a work he went to a game he came to he came to one of my high school games me and Monte Ellis played against each other he walked out after the first quarter seen enough that's what he said did you play well in those first five minutes he said that's what he said huh did you do any like were you playing well in those first five minutes first quarter like I don't you know what I'm saying I think that's justo I think he go cuz he gotta go and then he get the [ __ ] out of there Jerry get me like he showed he showed I showed my face yeah he came and then he was like I saw enough both of them are Pros you know what I'm saying like how Jerry how we both was 150 lbs dog you know what I'm saying but go my bad but that's his Oto yeah what about that game CA both you and Monte you know levels ahead of y'all competition at that time and both of y'all ended up being in making it to the NBA out of high school yeah one of the best how many times y'all matched up against each other once one time that was your only only game right there we was one and done did y'all know each other did y'all no that was I think um we might have met no I think we started dealing with each other after that game excuse me cuz uh then we started getting into like USA and then the Nike camps and all that I think that was I think that was after that game and we never never ran into each other on the circus I was on a Nike circuit he was on Adidas circuit um and we never cross pass but throughout our whole lives like since I was in sixth grade I was being compared to this dude and he was being compared to me and we finally ran into each other my um what I want to say my senior year in high school and then after that we developed a relationship that's crazy I play with Monte man Monte is is is a character you you think I'm country yeah that's that's a country dude man good people though man good d love Monte love my time with Monte he was just funny like naturally and my my people from the South so like I [ __ ] with the South people like southern people is my people you know what I mean like I get that comedy I get that you know personality and he was all of that like some of the [ __ ] he doing now coaching coaching yeah he coaching uh coaching boys basketball coaching boys basketball we we've been on the same circus but we missing each other he coaches boys I coaches I coach girls so we we at the same tournament but we there different times of the day so Lou I want to bring it back to your pre-draft process in 2005 and you're making the jump from high school uh to the league and your first workout was with Memphis where you're from and I know you discussed this on a a previous podcast but you know you kind of mentioned that you weren't prepared for that workout can you walk us through was that kind of like your welcome to the NBA moment or talk about that time yeah just just being naive bro just being naive I was Smith player of the year um so that told me I was the number one player in the country in high school so I'm like well it's the number one player in high school the number one player in college than number one player in the NBA so I got to be like I'm in the mix you know what I'm saying that's that was that was my my childishness talking to me thinking that I was I was prepared um like you said first first one in my hometown of Memphis Tennessee so I'm comfortable I'm up playing space with my family I might have had a half a rack of ribs I'm doing my thing and I get up that next morning I had the hardest workout of my entire life with the ribs threw up twice oh my God the ribs just I went through it bro I went through it and it was a eye opener for me that this process is a lot more serious than I thought it was you know what I'm saying and so from that point on it it kind of kicked in my my professionalism it taught me like when I get into a city I got to rest up I got to watch what I put in my body I got to get seual arrest and I got to get prepared for this this is a job interview and I got to treat it as such you know that first one I I just I thought I was in already and it and my preparation showed in where I got drafted I got dra I ended up being drafted second in uh 45th pick when I was when I should have been one of the you know a top 20 pick in the league with that said do you got any regrets of making a decision to jump to the league hell no I wasn't going to college regardless though regardless so you was like I'm going to the Le yeah I was living a different different life bro I was I was experiencing different things where I was just looking around my class like I am nothing like y'all and I'm not doing this again you know what I'm saying I just that's I just felt like there was a certain level of separation and like bro I I went to Magic and was in school the next day wow like I had class the next day can you imagine being in class like the [ __ ] am I doing in here sh out of high school you know what I'm saying so I already began to train my brain that I was a professional athlete and that's what that was going to be my calling so I made that decision I wasn't going to school regardless yeah cuz that's that's you like what was that you was hanging around Bow Wow with MTV crib yeah so let me let me tell you what's crazy I JD is my mentor Jermaine drii is my mentor I met ba through JD I was running with JD first and because me and ba were the same age he like I'm going to introduce you to ba right right you know what I'm saying so y'all can hang out but JD was my mentor that's how I even got around that whole click that's another reason why you probably felt like I'm hanging around boww no that's what I'm saying like I don't I I done kicked it with Janet Jackson at this point I done met LeBron right I'm I'm spending time with Jay-Z you know what I'm saying like I was just I I got a Yukon I got rims on my Yukon I'm parking in the teachers lot like I was just experiencing yeah I was experiencing something different and I just knew like I knew my next Gap wasn't going to be from that to 6 a.m. workouts dead broke trying to figure out where I'm eat M you know what I'm saying I was like no some got to some got to give we got to figure out a way to bridge that Gap and so for me I didn't care where I was going to get drafted I put all my eggs in one basket I said I was going leag by experiencing that lifestyle so early do you think that helped you adapt as a high schooler stepping into the league yeah absolutely and I and when I got there bro I had really good vets m I I had I had probably everything that you can imagine you needed in vets I had AI I had Kevin oi I had Willie Green wow Doug over both sides I had [ __ ] Chris Weber wow Tony bti wow like I had a a Allstar team of vets that had completely different M personalities and How They Carried themselves as as professionals so I just took pieces from all of them like some [ __ ] I was like only AI can do that mhm like I can't do that right right but I I you know what I'm saying I can find a little Groove in that mix right KO was like the balance he was like young fell we going to Chapel he gave me he gave me that Vibe Tony B was the old head like yo put the napkin in your lap you know what I'm saying your Cutlery go here you drink the red wine right here the white wine after you know I had a lot of yeah different ogs showing me different pieces of and I'm grateful because they all embrace me bro I was a 17y old kid and they embraced me you know what I'm saying when they could have just hazed the [ __ ] out of me the whole time you know what I mean 17 I want to ask you you know because it social media wasn't as prominent as it is now at that time I'm curious your thoughts do you have any uh maybe sympathy for these younger guys that are kind of getting that exposure at such a young age whether they're the next you know LeBron's or all these young athletes are getting just a ton of exposure through social media do you think that it would have been more difficult for you going through that transition hanging out with bowwow and Germaine depri and all those guys if social media was where it's at we was on a cusp of it like I was I was kind of I I know a life pre- social media and then I know a life post social media right so we had AOL insta messenger we had chat rooms we had uh the beginning of begin yeah chat room sound crazy right we we had the beginning of blogs where everybody just got in the room and talk [ __ ] about each other you know we had we had the beginning of it so I feel for these young kids it's a gift and a curse because man they get exposure to a lot of things and financially it helps them in so many different ways and it creates so many different opportunities for them that um we didn't have at that at that time coming up just trying to make a name for ourselves they got they got so many ways to do it and then I think the curse of it is some of these guys are so popular so young and they don't pan out and then it's like well he was a bus it's like no y'all just needed to give him some [ __ ] room like give him some space to grow up and I think that was the difference in the game between uh when we were coming up and and and now like a lot of these young guys they don't they scared to fail because it ain't even about failing or missing a shot or nothing they worried about what social media going to say so it don't give them it don't give them that balance of actually diving into their careers and not being being afraid to fail not being afraid to look bad if it don't go your way like take chances bro you know what I'm saying so I think that's it's the GI and the curse of right I think just for a lot of people that expectation is just a lot higher based off of what they seen yeah hype kids it's kids I've heard of since they they 15 16 years old with millions of followers and they're at they what they 17 18 years old now and nothing has happened or they in some legal trouble or they in something different and we wouldn't even know about these experiences if it wasn't for the social media hype and you know and what they doing to to like a and youth sports I kind I like it because it's I think the players are in control now like they making up teams they making up a teams all the top guys are playing on a team and then they they meeting up and they plan and planning these big showcase games but I think it gives it a a imbalance with competition you never really know who the top guys are right you never really know who the who the real dogs are because they never match with everybody clicked up on the same teams you know what I'm saying and that's all created through social media so and a curse right when you uh you first met AI he told you this the [ __ ] that was drafted to replace me yeah and he immediately embraced you yeah aside from what you learned from him on the court what's some of the things that AI taught you just on being a pro man I watch Dude fight through uh so much adversity man like he was a Trailblazer right he's the first one to do the tattoos he's the first person to do the cornrows he's the first person to be a part of hip-hop culture he's the first person you know to do the big Gody jewelry with the diamonds and all of that like he was he's a pop culture icon and a basketball player bro so I just watched him take a lot of criticism and go out and go get 30s and 40s and put a team on his back at six feet 175 pounds dealing with broken bones and injuries and he gave everything he had every night like that put that put that toughness in me like bro if you can lace up you going to play in the game bro you going to go out there and give it your all and I think that was one of the most valuable lessons that I learned from him him just going out there and giving the city of Philadelphia everything he had what year was that when you was drafted what year was he man' 05 so he had to be seven eight years probably nine or 10 I think he was 96 if I'm not mistaken right right right yep yeah think I think he's 996 so yeah probably like year n year 10 like his prime I was with him in the in the height like you know how we pull up at hotels Bro 2 3:00 in the morning and it might be a handful of fans out there they want an autograph or a picture or something mind you I play with Bean when you pull up with AI it's pandemonium out the hotel but I'm talking about women yeah women wom bro it's unreal that whole thing when people say like yo when y'all get to the hotel it's groupies in the lobby I thought that was a real thing because I was with the one rock star yeah that it was but I've played with a lot of rock stars that is not the reality they not in there they not there at all but for him that was the that was the experience bro real Rockstar dog I had on the B he had his mama braid his hair I play twice I played with him twice and it's it's kind of crazy how our our relationships and our careers intertwin Because by the time he got traded I was coming into my own I was averaging 25 and five or something in that in that area and I broke my jaw M um Anton Jameson broke my jaw on a on a loose ball they said I had to have my jaw wire shut for eight weeks they called me um early on in my recovery process they was like yo we thinking about bringing AI back um you know to feel that feel that void um what do you think about it I was excited I was like hell yeah like bring my man back I was excited to do that and then once I got healthy again they was like they called me in the office like yeah um you're going to come off the bench AI is going to start because we don't think it'll be healthy for him mentally going forward coming off the bench so he's going to be the starter like obviously that's Ai and I'm cool with him starting but it was like damn I was right I was peeking up and [ __ ] I've been coming off the bench ever since that you know what I'm saying and so how my career ended up getting solidified in a way where I become the underground and the six-man and all of these other things a lot of that that part of my history has still is tied to AI yeah do you ever feel that like cuz I mean that takes a lot that takes a lot just from a maturity standpoint cost me about 100 million yeah that's what I'm saying that's what I'm saying that takes a lot did you ever at that point be like you know what [ __ ] that I'm a starter like I I I need to start yeah I had moments early on in my career man but I I realized how unhappy I was you know what I'm saying like I was just I was chasing it I I was so dead locked on being a star and it just that [ __ ] was eating me alive and I had to take a step back and I just had to embrace what it was you know what I'm saying I had to embrace what it was at my in my career at that time and I think that's when I started kind of finding my joy in the game to the point where I was like well I'm going to play chess if I'm going to come off the bench I'm going to make it disrespectful that I'm coming off the bench I'm going try to average 20 points a game I'm going to make everybody look crazy and I'm I'm sit there with my hands up like I told y'all like I told y I was a I was I supposed to be a starter I belong and it just never it never really happened for me man I never really had a coach that took a chance on me like that the only coach that really took a chance like that was Doc in my first year with the Clippers when I won my uh my second six-man you know I started a lot of games that year and that was it other I think I've I've started 100 and some games of my whole career which sounds crazy that's crazy you know what I'm saying but it just it got to that point where I just had to find joy in the game bro yeah and Alex biggest [ __ ] star at the six-man role biggest make you make make all them other people want to be a six man I tell you that yeah I think I think Jamal and I have really done we've made an impact on a game where it's not it's not an embarrassing thing to be the six man on a team it's not frowned upon like these young guys they embracing it now they like [ __ ] L Will made it look cool Jamal made it look cool like and they still did their thing and they still are recognized as top players in this league so that's a lamee for me and so I think you know you give us both credit for just Champion championing that being what what our position was and inspiring some young cats that that that might be your lane but go out there and embrace it and do what you can when you step inside the lines yeah I think cuz what you did like you made that six-man like such a a X Factor right like cool the starters going to do this they G to do that but [ __ ] don't let him get hot like he can affect the game you know what I mean when he comes into the game hey be locked in like you go like a lot of teams they Scouting For The Starters right check him check him second unit we we got our our defenses in place for the second unit but [ __ ] it's l will in that second unit hey we going to this the coverages on him this the coverage we send him over uh send him right don't let him go left like now it's a whole adjustment yeah you you're a higher gun bro you're a sniper in the battlefield like everybody know who the main characters are in the movie but you find a way to be the favorite you find a way to be somebody that's that's talked about um throughout the games and so once I learn how to embrace that once I learned that I can be beloved in this in this game just by playing my position playing my role I just I took it to another level I like the key thing I like you said when you say you you gonna make the coaches mad yeah I'm the six I should be starting you said you gonna go in there and score the the the 30 or 20th game that's crazy p p speaking of scouting reports and I don't know if this was an actual thing but did you by any chance see The Scouting Report that got leaked I think it was for the San Antonio Spurs and like some and and I forgot which players it was but it that was embarrassing some of the players like Scouting Report was like he's elephant yeah you see that totally exposing the report that they get disrespectful yeah they care sometimes do you guys read stuff like that like if you're looking at a report it's just purely like I don't think like Clips ain't never did no [ __ ] like that put some wild [ __ ] on there but I mean within locker room hell yeah like that [ __ ] can't move his feet like he a con we know who who started that one shout out p b man we know who started that one yeah no it it it be some it be some disrespectful [ __ ] on them notes that's tough I wonder how those guys are dealing with that like for real like yeah you [ __ ] get your ass in that gym [ __ ] change SC yeah change the Scout soou in 2012 the Sixers took the Boston Celtics to seven games in the Eastern Conference semis and that same year uh you were the runner up in the six-man of the Year voting uh that same Squad had Iggy Drew yourself then they blew up the team and I believe that was the first time that a firsttime All-Star and Drew got traded immediately the foll year but was that time uh period maybe the first time in your career where you were kind of like oh this is a business like Doug Collins [ __ ] that team up Doug Collins yeah that's the first time I said it publicly I can't take it no more we gotta hear that how so man listen we drew holiday Evan Turner Lou Williams D young Andre Gala Spencer Halls Elden br Maurice Spates jod Meeks all on one team and you we take Boston to seven games in the second round as a eight seed by the way we had knocked off Chicago in the first round and you blow the team up that summer because of of your feelings he made me Public Enemy Number One we had a we had a scenario where I guess he was trying to do his coaching thing and and I respect it but he his his tone was like he was trying to make us hungry make us hungrier but how was coming about it he was trying to say we was a shitty team and we didn't feel that way we didn't feel like we were a bad team we were young we were inexperience but we really enjoyed playing together we really enjoyed building together and it showed in the playoffs and so I just was I was spoken about it I'm like bro you're not going to convince me we're a bad team I think we solid you know what I'm saying and if you get get behind our back instead of doing so much divide and conquer I think we we'll be better off for it you know what I'm saying and I think he just I just think he mismanaged that that that group I don't think he had a a very good post on that team mhm we were loaded with young talent and you know what we I'm in my what my seventh eighth year so I'm turning the corner Iggy is in his eighth year you know we got real good Pros on that team that are still very young guys I like to think we were we could have been what Golden State turned out to be with so much young Talent had we stayed together I felt like I truly feel like we keep all that Talent together we do something really special with that group mhm now fast forward we in Toronto you there with dear and Kyle um and that ultimately changed the Arc of your career right yeah it changed everything for me man shout out shout out my good Brothers man I talk to Lo and I talk to De uh de boy I talk to Demar and Cal uh talk to them brothers every week they just actually I'm and I'm going get in they they flowers um publicly man they just donated a ton of money to my a program um with my girls one is United basketball man they they they did they thing for my girls you know to you know I seen you I send you a links you know what I'm saying I can sh you me and you already rap cuz you know I asked for some shoes for my girls man and um everybody that I that I really rock with that I really feel comfortable picking up the phone has been uh so resourceful for me and my girls man so appreciate you appreciate them brothers man and um they just changed everything for me I thought my career was uh I thought I was done you know what I'm saying I thought I was done and so that's where you win your first six-man that's where I won my first six man at and I had been runner up so many times at that point I didn't even realize like it was something that I could even accomplish you know what I'm saying I think I had three Runner UPS before I won my first one you know what I'm saying and so imagine if I win a couple more of them joints I put it out out of the roof but anyways I genuinely felt like that was going to be the end of my career and I told him I said yo this my last year I'm going out with a bang I'm do what the [ __ ] I want to do like and they was like go ahead you know what I'm saying they was like my my biggest supporters and bro just go out there play free have fun and we'll just live with with the results and the results of that came out to be my first six-man of the Year man so I give I give them them brothers credit along with Chuck Hayes and Amir Johnson with just being Brothers to me and giving me an environment that I can really thrive in and feel welcomed in you win that one that's crazy you was in that head space you win that that six-man award now from there and then now we talking [ __ ] that the first time I got you got that was the first time I got traded right right I had never been traded before that I you know if I had moved the team I was a free agent but I was coming off a ACL tear and you know I tore my ACL I I didn't feel like the same player you know I didn't I I didn't try to I couldn't do some of the things that that that I I used to could do you know what I'm saying and then uh my game start evolving I found the lean I found all of that stuff but before that but hoser he told me he pulled me in the office he was like I don't think it's going to work here for you I think you'll never be the same player again and we're gonna try to send you somewhere where you know hopefully you can get back on your feet and he ended up trading me to Toronto and then I won my first six man he called me he said damn was I [ __ ] wrong you know what I'm saying so shout out to Mike Buton hoser for you know at least being a man telling me to my face how he felt right and I respect him for that and I also respect him for coming back and saying damn I was wrong timing is everything and you go to Toronto you ball out in in the [ __ ] six that's one of the best years of my career in the six that's crazy we was booming that year we was booming yeah there you go Jackie that's all you know I don't want to play too much we might get find or something do that you know you got a [ __ ] Lou Will song though dog so imagine I got that song and the six man I I had a soundtrack to my trophy yeah that's crazy you were feeling good so that was a year like what and listen if you know anything about the six you know anything about Toronto they rolled the red carpet out for you yeah so when I had that I can't imagine how it was when they won that Championship I envy I envy that [ __ ] everybody do yeah cuz I know how they treat I know how they treat you when you're just regular yeah do you know what I'm saying so when you really having some motion I can only imagine but that was one of one of the greatest years of my career man just with fun just having some fun I had a ton of fun is that when you think you became the underground goat yeah that's where it started you know where it started ited it started right after that because I was getting so much attention I wanted to get low again yeah and so I I just completely unplugged for a minute and then we just we just started saying [ __ ] this [ __ ] underground like why he'll never come you know what I'm saying and then then we started winning more six-man and so it became the underground goat and that's how that that's how that became I like it you definitely the underground goat when you definitely got Drake saying Lou Wills songs come on all right so you left Toronto you go to Lakers we already talked about how AI embraced you what was that moment like when you get to the Lakers you get that same love that same Embrace from Kobe when you first get there it was different he wasn't really around when I first when I first got there I think he was dealing with um I think his shoulder at that time he he was having a shoulder uh issue and so when I first got there it was kind of weird cuz he he wasn't around you know what I'm saying and so I I was playing with my peers and then he got healthy and and then everything Chang like the environment changed I feel like the air changed the lights changed like he just came in and it was like all right ordering the court yeah you know what I'm saying it it was completely different but playing with Bean for for two and a half years was was special to me man and just getting to know him as a person getting to know what kind of dude he was that was that was a special experience for me and we had one of our uh family cast members on the show not too long what first season Julius Randall yeah and uh he professionally said that Kobe Bryant is a [ __ ] he was hard on them young boys yeah was it just everybody in general or just the young guys got it wor just the young guys it was just the young guys I I I was bully prooof Brandon Bass was bully prooof metal world was bully prooof uh about swagy P Nick Young was on the because you know Nick you know he poked the bear you know what I'm saying Nick always poking the bear so you know Cole would say something to Nick every once in a while but honestly man he was hard as hell on them young guys what's some of your uh favorite Kobe stories man I tell a story all the time I just remember ain't shared though now some of them I got some I got to keep in my pocket man but I just remember him telling the young guys when I'm in the front office next year I'm trading all you [ __ ] I'm trading all you both but he told him he said next year when I'm in the I'm in the front office I'm trading all you [ __ ] and we got back to LA that next day bro and the equipment manager was just coming around with a big ass bucket just scooping Kobes out of everybody Locker Dam and me and Nick like what you doing he said Kobe think y'all [ __ ] soft man he don't want y'all wearing his shoes oh my gosh did you ever try to like give those young guys like some encouragement like yo he's just being hard on you like or were you just like let me stay away I not getting in the middle I was getting in the middle of that that's Kobe BR yeah I was I was a soldier you I was a soldier who was going back at him though like cuz I can see I can see out of all of it Nick being a dude that's just like you know what I'm I'm a challenge cold no it was it was it was a weird environment because he started that season off like locked in he was in Black Mumble mode and I think his body was failing him and I think he he took his foot off the gas after that and then that's when it became about you know the um what they call [ __ ] the uh what they call it the retirement of the yeah yeah fwell tourell t yeah cuz he started remember he said this publicly they was like is this a farewell tour he was like [ __ ] no and then 10 games in it became a ceremony and so I just think that shifted the direction of his mindset and what he was what he felt like he was trying to trying to do at that point I think he was just trying to feel the love and get celebrated and try to get out of there in one piece cuz his body was wasn't holding up you know KES his shoulder and everything just wasn't giving him what he needed mhm damn that had to be pretty fun though watch him uh you know what bro I hate to say this but it was like playing for the har Globe Charters bro we just showed up and hooped and went to the next city likeing that was the story that was told to me that like you just didn't know when he was going to come if he was we start we start realizing because he had his own he had his own crew of trainers or whatever to get him get him prepared so he would have his own kind of locker room so to speak so the only way we would we would kind of know if he was going to play is if they came in the locker room and took all of his stuff out of the locker if if they came in and we came in and his locker was empty he was in the building they put it yeah Elvis was in the building that's how we knew that he'll be playing that night or like you just start paying attention it's like all right we play LeBron twice he's going to play in the second one yeah or you know we play Steph at home or we go to the east coast he's going to play in all the East Coast games cuz we only come once yeah you know what I'm saying so we start figuring out like little Tendencies like when we knew he would play cuz he wasn't practicing at all at that at that point he wasn't practicing at all we literally were just showing up and hooping we were practicing but he wasn't you know what I'm saying and so it was it was an interesting Dynamic but cool as hell to experience and and and do that with him yeah what I love most about it too is like he still didn't duck the smoke you know what I mean yeah like because I was you know that being the last year for him when he came to Indiana obviously I played him when we were in LA but when he came to Indiana he missed some games so from a fan of it I was like damn I hope like he's suiting up for this one like my last chance to play him he coming to the city like I hope I get that opportunity sure enough he he he comes and and he's ready to play so I was like cool but just watching them all the games it was always against like you know dog one of the dop things those cats I'm sorry to cut you off brother no no we down to Kobe Rabbit Hole now you know and I'm sure you got some dope ass stories and experiences with Bean as well man but I just remember his very last game that he scored 60 man he was so gracious to everybody bro and I'm I'm I'm glad that was my last um my last memory of him man he was so gracious with everybody it was stuff literally stacked up to the ceiling that security wanted signed people that worked in the arena um man equipment people and people's families and friends and everybody just wanted something a piece of memorabilia from and I'm telling you Jackie it literally was stuff stacked to the ceiling like piles of stuff and he sat there gracefully and signed every single piece of everything for everybody like personalized my mom got a pair of shoes personalized to her wow I got a jersey I got a jersey for my cousin everybody stuff personalized like he really took his time and show and showed that appreci I'm glad that was like that was the last time I seen him you got to tell him your story P what what Kobe what he did for you when you when you ask him a question it was a moment where you know I was we was playing against Portland in in the playoffs and I was having trouble I had just had my shoulders like my shoulders was [ __ ] up just got a shot to play in the in in that playoff series so I'm like [ __ ] I need some help I'm getting double team like I don't know like I'm I ain't played ball in like two weeks leading up to this so I just sent Kobe a text like yo I'm having trouble with a b and c he hit me back that next ultimately that next morning a whole paragraph breakdown of like when you know this player do this do that when the help come look for this like it was just so in depth like detailed out and it's crazy this was before the detail [ __ ] started to to to formulate and and he already was a step ahead of that just breaking you know film down it's firem man that had that had that type of relationship with him I I had I always had his number and never had the heart to text him bro yeah I just never had the heart that's one regret I do have cuz I had his number for more into their relationship I had his number for a minute and this was before like I got really close with him cuz I ain't going to lie like hearing about how intense his workout was hear about like the times he worked out I was always like a little like [ __ ] like I don't I don't know if like I I could do it you know what I mean so I was always afraid to like really like yo L cold can I come work out with you like type [ __ ] and that's the biggest regret I have of not utilizing that time when I had the chance you know we play you know we play card so we sitting at the table he sat behind us to the right on the window and you know I don't like flying you know p p can attested this I like I don't like flying so I'mma keep me a little tequila in my bag you know keep the nerves down a little bit you know I'm I'm the got to come to if you want a little little night cap you know what I'm saying to get you on home and so you know I always used to be gambling I just feel this little little rib crack every once in a while I look down it just be a cup I just I P my dog a little something and he go back to read this book or whatever you know what I'm saying but I Supply Kobe with the tequila that's the best oh man I love that got to come out with a Kobe tequila l so you got to play with AI and Kobe what kind of similarities did they have um in your opinion that made them generational Talent they never thought they was going to lose at nothing that's one of the things that I I I've drawn from both of them like arrogant level never going to lose I don't give a [ __ ] what you talking about I ain't losing I'm not losing like both of them had that that arrogance that that was needed to be who they you know who they turned out to be the Hall of Famers that they are you know what I'm saying they just never felt like they were there was anybody better than and when they faced off you saw some some epic du I wish I wish you know even though I like that Sixers team I wish my boy had more star power on the Sixers when they win against right the Lakers that that would have been an epic battle you know what I'm saying right I think because of that like I feel like because of that it separated like who AI actually was to go up against Shaq go up against coob and still hold his own just getting to the finals period the teams that he knocked off on that on that way to get to the finals yeah they had a perfect they had a perfectly made team for him for him four guys that was going to defend right you know knock down open shots and make sure he get open for open shots and they had a perfect group for that right wow he going to get the points he going to do that nothing is more exciting than welcoming the new NBA season but what adds to that excitement is 2K being back as well cuz I get to give Jackie and Dallas L's on the game what yeah we like to call that fake SW I'm actually the defending champion in the 2K league but we do play on 2K mobile and it's a good time uh listen y'all know who the best 2K mobile especially when we on the road and we taking turns driving y'all know who we doing all that don't even play with me y'all know exactly qu play I beat y'all what what last night I beat both of y'all didn't we uh no you didn't but that's another story so I will say when the real games are over you can stay locked in the Hoops with season 6 of 2K mobile the thing that's great about about NBA 2K mobile is I can take it anywhere with me and build my ideal Dream Team or customize my very own my player all through my phone plus you can lock in with crew mode and dominate the hardwood with your very own Squad download NBA 2K mobile free on the App Store or Google Play and use my promo code podcast PG to receive a pearl tier card of yours truly this holiday season you might be looking for nutritious convenient meals to keep you energized on Jam pack days Factor America's number one ready to eat meal delivery service can help you fuel up fast for breakfast lunch and dinner with Chef prepared dietician approved ready 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know we got to keep that [ __ ] under wrap until it's official yeah so like deep down I wanted to be like what's up my [ __ ] yeah it's on like we both we had din everything like but I kept it like you know what I mean I was just trying to keep the poker face no pun intended being out just like you know I mean this this what we working on but I knew whole time that [ __ ] was going to drop that night yeah we [ __ ] we probably didn't know we probably was almost in that tray you know what I'm saying so they W telling us nothing at the time but how awkward that would have been like hey bro I'm com I'm out did so was it any word like that was L keeping y'all informed or like this to be a public man so y'all had no clue this was a total bomb to everybody we literally had we we had no no clue we were playing roulette bro yeah wow was you winning yeah that's what made it even cooler yeah that's what made it even cooler I was striking and then it just start it started being a buzz around me and I'm like what's going on so the gu's like they like yo PG just came whatever whatever so we like what I'm like hold on hold on hold on so I pull my chips off the joint I'm like what's you know what I'm saying what's going on by this time pat bear is coming down the hallway cuz he went down and play Blackjack yeah so he turned off I said hold up hold up hold up I ain't get traded did I cuz I'm like what did we give up to get it you know what I'm saying like they like no no you good they traded sgaa and when he said they trade SGA we was so excited to have uh Paul but we was hurt about SGA because that was our little dog and we was grooming him to be who he is bro you know not to take credit for nothing he was doing but we definitely was instrumental and teaching him how to work how to be a pro he was like our little homie like he was absorbing all the information never Buck back he was just locked in all the time if SJ he can be in there have his shoes off everything you tell him man come on let's go get some more shots up he lacing back up no questions you know what I'm saying so made off [ __ ] yeah so we was we was building with him but it was like [ __ ] we got a shot at PG and then the kaad news came out right after that it was like oh this this it's lit you know what I'm saying the whole time cuz we was watching in that playoff run against Golden State and that was what made it ultimately what made it so enticing we was like man tell us I tell me to tell me what made y'all come well what made you want to come watching watching y'all in that series watching y'all in that Series yeah see we always debate that cuz we never we never really had a conversation was like man they booming they rocking all they need is a little star power to get over that hump so that's that's what me and kawhai was was watching we was in tune with that like yo you seen them like they giving them a run got they y'all had a squad y'all had a bench y'all had rotation coaching confidence y had confidence swag we like man they just need a little push to get over the hump like we can do it over here that's what made it so so exciting for us cuz we felt really good about what we had and then you add y'all to to that we was like yo we got a real shot at making this happen bro we was we was hella excited to get y'all yeah what was it like playing with him in Kawai did you notice anything in them cuz you've kind of been through you know different Generations of the NBA did you see anything in those two players specifically that kind of reminded you of times maybe with Kobe or Alan iers talk about that a little bit same work ethic both of them had the same work ethic you know what I'm saying I always can count on kawhai being it early I can always count on PG being there late and getting their work in you know what I'm saying and I'm not I'm not saying like was you had look no they no they always they just was always in there work and Always setting setting a great example for us man and you know it's going to be one of those things what could have should have been we couldn't get healthy we was not built for that bubble uh we had a lot work against us at at the worst time possible and we just didn't get it done yeah I truly like do you still like truly feel that first year cuz we started rolling when it came March we started to get that [ __ ] together we figure out our system like who's doing what like everybody just started to mesh Bo boom bubble then then I we just lost everything that we just gain I tell you we were rolling it's the best like the no [ __ ] the best I felt about that team that year was that March rolling we was listen we was rolling we was going into that second half for the season with a ton of confidence like we right where we supposed to be right where we supposed to be boom it was like all right y'all stay home a week then it was two weeks then it turned into three weeks then a month then like what's really going on you know what I'm saying and then the bubble thing came up and we fought it I keep it I keep it real we fought it we did not want to go to that you know what I'm saying and I I just think we didn't have the personalities for for that environment for the long run man and it just it just didn't go our way you know I got in I got into my thing they even blame me for us not winning us not winning the championship because of lemon pepper thing you know even though I missed two games and played in 10 after that but I take I take it make feel what the listen bro you you understand how how crazy of a time that is don't that feel like a long time ago do [ __ ] does it really does beyond long time a lot A lot has happened since that [ __ ] that [ __ ] feels like such a long time ago bro we were really living in a hotel do fact I don't think people really understand how crazy that is bro how long were you in there bro we was in there for about two months two month about a month and a half two months wasn't it no maybe longer we were scratching three yeah maybe longer what was they feeding y'all before you got the good [ __ ] what was they feeding y that you had to go get you the wing it was just it was room service food uhhuh so imagine just having an opportunity to eat a different item of room service every day so you going to go from a chicken sandwich to a burger to some chicken tenders and rotate yeah that's it you know what I'm saying and then what was funny Kawai had cuz so Kawai kawai's room was right directly across from mine and that he used to cook something everybody was in there cooking everybody everybody has sto Kawai was in there you can count on Kawai with the Mexican Food claw's Kitchen claw's Kitchen was claw's kitchen alarms going on yeah I was in there withing personal pants but he had it for everybody like claw kitchen yeah K was K was in there you it's just he was in there frying chicken that was we really should do a movie on the bubble dog it was it was that's a great idea it was a lot of aspects that you just couldn't even imagine bro so when I went home from that funeral to have an opportunity to eat some of my favorite food I'mma do it and mind you I'mma do it I'm do it don't I'm do it but what's what's crazy is is the is the pr that I got because the facts of the matter is I never got suspended and I never got fined yeah and he told me Silver told me on the phone I don't think you did anything wrong but I'm going to make an example out of you yeah and never got Co the same damn never got Co and had a doctor traveling with me so many details that was left out of the story cuz it just sounded good it was Magic City yeah and they felt like they imaginations ran wild they was like you was in that party and this and that mind you I don't want to die like what are we talking about I'm scared too you got to open up no we having the seasonings everybody got chicken you need come on I remember when we was on the the campus and uh you was you know locked or not locked up but you was quarantined locked qu I was not free to do what I wanted to do hey we was roaming The Yard Man make sure Lou was good he come to the window he open the door good y I'm straight I'm straight I really was in is I could see everything happening but it was like they was like 50 yards from me felt like I was in zo it felt like I was in a zoo cuz they walking up as close as they can like I'm in the window like Forest you for that's SI yeah we can talk we can talk about it now we can talk about it now they was sneaking me good food you doing I'm saying I kept a bottle in my room I had my my studio equipment we telling everything yeah my guys made sure I was straight I love what I'm saying oh that's funny the bubble in itself is the episode you should get like four guys that was in the bubble and do a episode yeah no we should we should just tell all just tell all bro what went down what go down them folks told us we was going to have access to a Lake Bowling now they tried to charge us $21,000 the bowl yeah what what they gave us a tab for it was this the crazy thing that was the cuz everybody at that point is like no I ain't doing no damn bubble [ __ ] that and then that was the last bit that they was like all right Park going to be open for y'all we going to have 27 miles of stuff to do so they was telling us the bubble was damn near a 30 mile bubble it was not that it was not a 30 mile bubble so in our head they talking about we got they we going to be a to golf and be able to fish and be able to get on the boat they told us all of this [ __ ] and it was C boy they capped us down good to get us in that they did once she was in there boy they kept good to get us in that no but you did like was just such a hassle to like to do anything to do anything you had to like reserve [ __ ] days ahead like you had to like you know get your times like it wasn't like you could just go and do oh you know what today I feel like doing this n you had to like reserve that [ __ ] days and pay for it yeah cuz you got to think once they put us in the bubble outside open back up so now Disney is basically like well y'all go to if y'all want to bowl y'all got to shut the bowling alley down right cuz no one else can yeah if y'all want to get on the lake y'all got to shut the lake down and then remember the guys on the golf course they found a way that it was a bar that was uh open to the outside so they shut the Golfing down wow couldn't even do that [ __ ] no more yeah you couldn't even do that it had a lot of real aspects to it man you know I remember we went fishing one day and uh it was a it was me and a couple other of us couple other of us and uh everything was open so we driving around it's like a big ass Dock and it's a big boat attached to that Dock and I'm just looking like man man these people having a good ass time at Disney like I I got something to tell you after that so you and I'm depressed like bro do you if I touch that dock I'm in trouble right now man me and Pat Bev used to sit at at at the uh the rooftop and we just hear the roller coasters [ __ ] y was over man that [ __ ] was gut wrenching dog that [ __ ] sounded like such a good time bro it was gut-wrenching every 30 seconds [ __ ] hurt I understand exactly what you said cuz listen you got to think different personalities everybody was doing the bubble different bro right right everybody was doing it different bro like P was playing this game like he stayed locked in on his game we was trying to gamble as much as we could just to keep our minds busy everybody did it different is man yeah it was bad times man look that [ __ ] hurt your feelings just now thinking about now you say that that [ __ ] don't seemed that far long ago dog yeah that was that was a couple years ago dog what did y'all like the most out of the bubble nothing it was nothing one thing I think we like the first week of it we was like yeah this is it was a different experience gotel went they're excited got gym right here like they got dark fast they got dark fast boy I'm done with this [ __ ] yeah man all right so man only 45 guys in the history of the NBA made that transition from high school to the pros right that sounds crazy and now we on this big debate not even the debate but we know what's to come obviously of those High School guys Brian is gonna be a Hall of Famer yeah now there's discussion for you you feel all you've done and let me I pulled this up just to make sure the viewers and everybody know run it down the underground go tell them the truth every time you average 37 points per game in this golden year of high school m most points off the bench in NBA history most 40-point games off the bench in NBA NBA history most 30-point games off the bench in NBA history damn most assist in NBA history Off the Bench I did quite a bid on that bench didn't I you did you did and because of that because of that you to me first ballot Hall of Famer the very first guy that ever won a six Man of the Year award is in the Hall of Fame M that said at all and you you won the most how you feel talk to us about how you feel about your your induction to the Hall of Fame I honestly feel like I did enough yeah I think when we think of the Hall of Fame you think of the obvious guys you know what I'm saying like you don't think of everybody in that class like there is a a coach that you never heard of that's going to go into Hall of Fame that same year there's going to be some players or there's going to be some person um that's a staff member that's going to go on the Basketball Hall of Fame of fam is about making an impact on the game that nobody else has been able to do mhm and I feel like I've especially done that I feel like Jamal has done it I think um he go he's eligible two years before I am he's eligible next year um and so how it goes for him will kind of give me an idea of how it's going to go for me whether it's first Ballot or whatever I think I I think I I done enough to get in like you're talking about somebody that embraced what was handed to me a position that was handed to me and I championed it and I made it cool and I made it Transcendent where young kids are are comfortable with with doing it and I did my job you just you just ran it down man I gave a lot of teams an opportunity to win you know I never won a big one I never got to that to that place but man for what was asked to me I I I did it bro I did it and so um with that alone I feel like I make a case mhm yeah I 100% say I think just from a a league standpoint right like how do you not reward someone that's won it three times but yet you got guys or you want guys to be comfortable with this role of being a six-man what's the outcome then if we got to have some consistency in the narrative exctly we got to have some consistency in the narrative like I said Jamal and not really Champion that position and we made it Transcendent like we changed it we changed how you look at it it's even people saying that they should name the trophy after me those are real deal accomplishments and when people make those kind of statements you got to take that into consideration when when you thinking about the H for that's you got my stamp my brother I appreciate it and that's and and honestly however however it Go BR I've gotten so much love from my peers and the people that I've been able to share locker rooms with and and share the quot with and compete against I don't have I don't have a lot of stains on my name bro I don't have a lot of stains on my name and that respect for me is is is is valuable bro can't put a number on it yeah one one one thing that before I got to playing with you and I heard this from Roy Hibert he said man one of my favorite teammates was Lou will really I swear to God and and it and because I know Roy I know his personality I know how he is and it and it stuck with me like Damn Lou like so then like now being teammates with with you I'm like oh okay like I get it like I [ __ ] with Lou like I appreciate it man that's what's up I never knew he felt like that yeah no Lou like no no I didn't even expect to like Roy yeah but we was like the best of buddies that's like he was like man I really [ __ ] with Lou like you know how he talk yo man I really [ __ ] with he said yeah like Lou was one of my favorite teammates when I was there that's what's up man I just always Tred to carry myself in a manner where I wasn't disrespectful to nobody and I never presented myself like I can be disrespected you know what I'm saying I just always carry people with love and aspiration and I admire so many of y'all guys man so it was like an honor to share space with a lot of these guys that I play with and build with and you know when you grow up bro and when you get out of the game you realize you don't have a lot of real friends in this business bro you know what I'm saying you got respect for a lot of guys and and you admire a lot of guys but friends like I I rarely call anybody you you know what I'm saying and so it's only a handful of guys I feel comfortable with with reaching out to man so that you know that mean a lot for real that's all we got well we definitely admire you I appreciate we definitely appreciate you my brother you have done a lot in this world but uh break us down break us down you know but before we leave you know we got this game that we play with our guest you know what I'm saying since you our guest it's called PG starting five and we know you know you might be a little man but you always had that tough heart yeah you know what I'm saying you had that real hard game you was one of them them bucket Getters at any time yeah yeah yeah thank you I was like know you know one of them them bucket Getters Off the Bench you was you was amazing at what you did so you picked your starting five from uh the point guard to Center he picks his starting five from point guard to Center on the topic that I'm going to choose today and today is difficult shot makers from the best shot makers difficult shop makers that you ever seen in the game period good who he got he got an extra 10 years yeah he's got a got and you get the first pick too yes first pick we going with point guard point guard first point guard shooting guard small forward start from point guard to Center who you got at the one at the one give me AI you can't debate that uh at my one I'mma go Luca that [ __ ] he just did the other bro that was Mark was see I was looking at Luka as the as the as the shoe guard call me slipping yeah a good one [ __ ] for the give me uh give me Kevin Martin all them [ __ ] look difficult how oh my God how did I thought about him like that fck all but if if not Kevin Martin which one you pick give me Kobe okay yeah Co was that was going to be my three uh my two my two I'mma go me man I'm g go me I think I'm a difficult Buck I mean category I like that that makes basketball hell yeah I feel like I would have been PG if I was 68 for real I think it's a lot of similarities in in our in our games bro it's a lot of similarities I think I play like P if I was 68 we ain't going nowhere fast but we getting it yeah we going to get to where we going yeah and it's and it's and it's going to look like ain't nobody standing there y'all dribble I don't know if you qualify for a difficult shot maker you make it look easy yeah like it'd be difficult in my head but I just okay okay let you get that at my three give me t god Dam solely on the San Antonio game yeah he was making some crazy sh but yeah 30 seconds can play man give me T at the damn my three I'mma go [ __ ] [ __ ] me up when you took cold I'mma go KD go KD at three KD at the three like it is he is he not a difficult shop maker I I don't know man [ __ ] 8T tall man he making everything contested like you really think about it's not contested bro it's it's heavily guarded I would say then maybe not contested but it's heavily guarded they not even there I don't know not even there I don't know your your p's tricky at the four a difficult shot maker at the four Robert Ori Rober Ori what difficult is Big Shots kind of difficult that's difficult I see where you going I see where you going give me Rober or yeah I see where you going this is where it gets top four and five I got my fifth already okay I'm locked in he ready ready my fourth I'mma go Dirk that's a good one good damn it that's a good one p no that was my feel okay I'm g go Dirk at the four that's a good one p cuz for you to get that one leg like damn that's good that's the last step for me to get little room that's a good one take this [ __ ] off one leg who this C sh that's a good one at my five give me Shaq he couldn't shoot them goddamn freeish was difficult give me sh he you difficult shop makers bro how crazy of a stat is it Shaq missed 5,000 free throws yeah wow yeah that is crazy guys that's not going to have 5,000 points in their career yeah damn and he left 5,000 on the table give me give me Shaq but my my six man of that'll be uh Zack Randolph okay that's a good I like how you do the six man in your yeah he right my fifth I'mma say I'mma say kg I'mma say kg it's a good one over Tim Duncan off the glass that's way more difficult yeah but like I ain't trying to start that robbery again I feel like I feel like kg at a point when both of them two was in their Prime matching up him and Timberwolves uh uh Tim Duncan and San Antonio kg's just had a lot more to carry on his back where he was hitting pullup threes and yeah doing some wild [ __ ] you know like AI you know what I'm saying like in that pocket yeah at at at 7 foot like that that [ __ ] that he was one of my favorite like big men because of that mine too he go get it so I'm going to go I'm going to go kg at the center spot there you have it six man L will yeah my six man L will you're not going to say nothing about that that's a good one hey man that's a wrap appreciate having the six man in in in the building today man we appreciate your time Lou definitely you get the stamp from podcast P future Hall of Famer future Hall of Fame in Duck D put that in the in the head and make people go crazy sir they lose their [ __ ] MTH yes sir there you have it y'all we appreciate y'all locking into podcast peace [Music] [Music] [ __ ]

Channel: Podcast P with Paul George

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Keywords: Paul George, Podcast P, Podcast P with Paul George, Jackie Long, Dallas Rutherford, Paul George Podcast, NBA, Clippers, Los Angeles Clippers, NBA All-Star, NBA Podcast, Lou Williams, Atlanta Hawks, Toronto Raptors

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Length: 76min 37sec (4597 seconds)

Published: Mon Nov 13 2023