Unlocking the Power of Discipline and Neurology with Chase Hughes and Eric Hunley 👥😱

and we are live with the illustrious amazing chase hughes how are you doing today doing well man how are you i'm fantastic i wanted to bring you back obviously because i love having the behavior panel on anyway but this is sort of significant in two days this show is a year old yeah and really i know i've talked about it before but i've had a few other people subscribe and things like that so they may not have heard but you're the main reason that i actually have this show at all i don't know if you remember but back in what was it last november i think it was you called me i was actually in disney and you said hey i want to do some video interviews yeah i said listen no i said let's get together and have a bottle of wine and do a video podcast that way okay well i wasn't doing video podcasts and i told you i'm like dude i'm not a video guy you're like yeah okay let's have some wine we'll do it anyway yeah yeah but we did it and it was great i had a great time oh yeah it was fantastic i i did it in january because i'm it's an ironic situation you and i live in the same area but i'm sure you'll be the first to admit that actually getting together to do something adds like an extra hour each way and everything else so it's just almost easier to just let's go online and then if we try this whole live streaming thing we could have people in the chat yeah which is a lot cooler we get some some people that are able to interact and ask questions exactly and so now here we are a year later when i did that first episode with you i had i think 72 subscribers because i had the channel it's just i wasn't doing anything i just you know dumped audiograms on there or whatever and now i have um 13 820 something man that's great i've grown a little bit so it's really really fantastic i see the dragon's treasures in here wanted to bring him up he's got a sale going on actually right now and i'm actually uh in my fancy vessel here drinking tea of all things and i have something going with that with the dragon's treasure the dragons treasure.com where if you guys want to buy tea you get 10 off and it's it's not like straight tea it's like the fiddly tea you know english tea all the fancy stuff the different well it's much fancier than i even know how to comprehend but it's pretty cool stuff so everybody check that out now bringing you back today our last time we talked i ended with what are we going to talk about next time yeah and you see you promised you said how to how to have unstoppable discipline so take us on a journey how do we have unstoppable discipline well i think the the whole concept of discipline is something that i started looking at in i don't know 1999 and it was fascinating to me just trying to understand what that was and i think that we tend to view discipline as willpower and those things are the same and i think there's a a very different thing that i'm not exerting discipline the same way i would be willpower what's the difference well the way i define discipline is the ability to prioritize the benefit of your future self ahead of the enjoyment of your present self so in reality what that would mean is if you go back think of all the times you were pissed off at your past tense self so like you stayed up late drinking too much or you decided to gaff an assignment offer some a task at work and then wait until the last minute or you didn't pay a bill on time or you spent money on something stupid and then you know regretted it a few weeks later so many of our problems even smoking or overeating comes from an inability in the moment to prioritize your future self and i think that there's once we get into just a small process of discipline even just starting starting off discipline is to start thinking as much as you can of your future self instead of your now self and there's a ton of stuff you can do you can go download pro i think it's a free app but there's an app that will make you look 90 to 95 years old you know you can take a selfie and then it'll do something or it'll it'll make you look really old and what if you printed that out and stuck it on your refrigerator not just for what you eat or anything like that but to keep your brain focused on that that you're going to be out there in the future there is a future you out there that you're responsible for taking care of and in reality it can start small and it becomes once it gets a little bit of momentum it turns into a snowball because i think it's a very addictive process so one night just tonight when you're going to bed put get the coffee ready for yourself put the cup where it needs to be pick up the kitchen sacrifice now for the future self and it sounds so simplistic but you're doing it for another person and if it wasn't another person we wouldn't say we wouldn't be upset at our past tent self we'd be upset with ourselves so we're you know that we kind of think in terms of those three there's a future there's a now and there's a past and that's i think the single element so small things laying out your clothes beforehand putting something out for yourself leaving that and starting getting into this these tiny steps everything you can think of small little things for yourself tomorrow or a week from now and just doing that as often as you possibly can but put a 20 bill in a pocket of a shirt you're not going to wear for a month and a half because you know you're going to forget about it and then you'll be grateful because that's where the ultimate part of discipline is when you're feeling lots of gratitude towards your past tense self so instead of being upset at the past tense self i'm feeling grateful for the past itself that reminds me i'm i'm a lapsed runner at the moment eventually i'll get back into it but one of the i i don't know if i'd call it a trick or i guess um very much in line with that is people who would run in the morning running in the morning is a big pain in the ass and you don't always feel like getting out and running so they deliberately would do just what you said but it would be like literally the whole running clothes will be all set out the shoes will be right there so as soon as they get up there it's just right there in their face and they'd almost make a a deal with themselves so everything would be out for them they had to put it on and the rule is simply this they had to go out the door with their running clothes on and to the mailbox now if they decided at that point you know what never mind i i'm just not up for it i'm not going to do it then okay fine they can go back in the house but 99.9 percent of time is like well i'm already out here so is that kind of in line with what you're talking about i think so and i think in that regard it's not really concern for your future self it's you're putting that out to make your future self more likely to do something which is still fine but i think they might have different uh intent behind each one of those things so for for me i might lay out the running clothes because i don't like looking for them and if there's something i don't like doing in the mornings i'll do it the night before or i'll set up as much as i possibly can the night before for future me so in in reality so if this is you right now i'm looking forward with concern i'm looking backwards with gratitude and in the present i'm might be making a sacrifice which is fine because my priority is me later not me now but the the big part of that is to force your thinking into that frame of mind so here's here's the number one thing that you can do here is it to bring that into your mind is constantly remind yourself at all times so put up sticky notes em is this decision gonna benefit me later is this am i thinking about my future self i'm gonna put those pictures up around the house of me looking way older from from the app i downloaded i'm going to do as much as i can to change my thought process because if you think about this people who overeat people who use drugs people who stay up too late people who have bad habits people who smoke people who do any any habit that you don't want to do is prioritizing your present self so all of these bad habits that we're thinking of that we would go to a therapist sometimes to fix is putting priority on you now instead of you in the future so a lot of our issues like 90 of our issues are i am failing to get the mindset of caring about future self more than present self so that's so much of our issues at work at our social lives in our families and our friendships you know when we're maintaining relationships especially now when everything's on a screen and if we think about that fixing the way that we're viewing our present self and looking forward i'm always thinking about me in the future i'm more concerned with that person than everything else fixing the overeating or fixing the i don't want to get up in the morning i want to go to the gym fixing all that stuff is a byproduct it it happens as a byproduct of shifting my mindset to thinking about future me and prioritizing me in the future okay curious here's a question came in do you think that our level of natural discipline is predetermined at birth no not whatsoever so you're definitely into nurture over nature on in that regard with discipline yes because i think there is you can cultivate discipline and uh i i've never met anybody that was really born with it but i will say that there are people who are born with the ability to sacrifice in the present for the future and if you think about it you look back to your high school your middle school elementary school all your friends who went to medical school all the friends who who left high school and became a doctor a lawyer and were really successful if you look back into high school when everybody else went and partied they might still show up but they're going to be late because they got their crap done before the party instead of after the party so they had that ability back then and i'm not sure if we're born with it or if we're born with a certain level of it but i think everybody can reach a pretty high level of discipline but those those people that are successful later in life have that ability and there's even been studies done i think this is at the university of connecticut there's another one done at some hampton university that had hampton in the but they they studied these kids from second grade until they were 40. harvard also did another one which is the longest running study of its kind and they found that the number one thing that all of the ones who were successful had in common as children was the ability to delay gratification and i thought that was an incredible thing and if we're cultivating cultivating discipline or forcing discipline on ourselves try these tiny little self deprivations like if i usually take sugar in my coffee cut it off for a day prove to yourself that you are in charge so get get that back and start proving to yourself that you can exert control even if it's those really small things and small steps that's the self deprivations are the way to start proving that to yourself because our minds operate off of proof somebody tells us something we're wondering if there's evidence for it we're wondering if uh even when people suffer from a lack of confidence they're waiting for proof from their outside environment before they act a certain way instead of giving themselves permission they're waiting for the environment to do so so that's one way we can trick our primitive brain into having more discipline is to putting those things together in little piecemeal fashion those little small self deprivations to prove it to yourself that you are in control those uh self deprivations almost seem like the opposite philosophy of the participation trophy lifestyle that we're in at the moment yeah i don't think that's going to go anywhere i think we're going to be with that lifestyle for a long time um dr wood who's a previous guest we've had on is saying that we are our dna plus experiences yeah that's beautifully said so okay i actually have a question that came in over locals um i have a locals page now and i put out so there could be questions asked ahead of time for people who might not make it and it's from gavin stone i know you know gavin stone you bet and uh he's saying could you please tell him i took his advice and bought a journal and i suck at it so what would you recommend to gavin the non-journalist the non-journalist so i uh i have it over here i have a probably a two and a half three foot stack of journals from the last 10 years or so and i think journaling is the steering wheel of your life and i think i honestly believe everyone that i've talked to that's ever done it that getting control over your behaviors and your habits journaling is one of the best ways to do it and i keep a journal that's not like here's what i did today or a dear diary kind of thing i read a book every every valuable piece of information i get out of a book goes into that journal and if i'm in a phone call the notes from that call go into that journal with a date but i also use the journal on a daily basis to track you know my personal behavior did i get out of bed on time just like i i keep a chart just like a kindergartener like where they little change their card from green to yellow if they do something silly in the class i do that to myself regularly did i get out of bed on time and i keep these i keep track and i think the awareness of whether or not i'm failing in a certain area and tracking that stuff is almost all you need you don't really need to make some giant course correction the awareness alone is often enough to push us over the edge to get us starting to move in the right direction just to make that one degree course change that's going to make a difference six months from now like a nudge yep that's it and and i think that the nudge happens as a byproduct i use that word a bunch tonight but the nudge and and the change in your behavior is a byproduct of your awareness of the patterns that you've started to exhibit okay the journals i'm curious about something though i i would worry about you mentioned their stacks and stacks of the journals is it the act itself of keeping the journal that for example i know that if you take notes it's been shown a lot by writing and physically writing not typing but actually physically writing the notes it will help you retain information better sometimes because you're having to listen interpret and then write it down in a different medium so you're kind of revisiting the subject multiple times are these journals especially when they're copious are they something you go back to and tabulate or is it just the act of taking the journal itself and you're not necessarily going back through everything you did in the past it's just kind of sort of your way of documenting as you go and reinforcing yeah i think i know what you mean and i think the the journal itself is i don't go back and look at my little ratings of myself at the end of the day but i do go back and read all of my notes i'm watching them i don't know this morning i watched a bob proctor youtube video and took maybe a paragraph of notes out of an hour long video but yeah so in a week or two i'll probably go back and really dissect what i got out of that video and i think writing it does help but i think revisiting it makes it twice as helpful or it does for me okay and are these uh thinner notes like distilling it like um in a way because when you revisit it i'm guessing i don't know about you but i'll forget it in an hour so i didn't know if that those notes are like your takeaways and say okay and then the reinforcement of them a week later maybe locks it into longer term memory i think so and i revisit mine pretty regularly so i think i think that's something that really can help and a journal no matter there's no wrong way to do it i have mine designed in three sections i have one that's like planning so i have a little calendar stuff in there the meat of the whole thing most of the blank pages in there are just for regular notes i'm reading a book or an article or i'm taking notes on a phone call i'm making a list things like that and then the back section is going to be for serious key takeaways from books serious key takeaways so i take them from another section put them in there and then goals and and setting goals and that's all going to be in in the in the back section that's just how i do it okay and speaking of notes and paying attention everything i have a comment here which is interesting i definitely want to address i wish eric would pay attention to chase when he's talking and look at questions coming in after and i i can appreciate that but there's this small problem that i am kind of trying to attend not only to the conversation with chase but also the chat here on the side things that are coming in and while i would love to be hanging out this is sort of a job to me and i do need to be considerate of my audience who i i love you to death chase but my audience is a little more important in the greater science i get it the whole reason you're able to see that is because you were reading through those exactly yeah thanks for yeah there's the irony um and then here we go how do you deal with the negative self-talk that says you will not succeed and i know rory actually cool i think on our on a regular basis i went through this for 15 years and probably some some change and i still do i think it never really goes away i think that on a very regular basis we're doing something to change our i don't want to say frequency because i know people will freak out about it but we're changing our vibration we're changing let's say we're changing the quality of our thoughts and if we get into the law of attraction we're going to go down a rabbit hole i can sum up the law of attraction in four words just four words and that is responsibility for your thoughts so if if there's ever a time when something's coming in that's negative we obviously want to change that so if i'm brainwashing a person or brainwashing myself i'm going to do the same thing it's it's a four-step brainwashing is a four-step process i wrote this process for people and it follows a four-step formula it's focus emotional involvement agitation and repetition fear yeah it spells out fear and that exact model is the best way to do that so i'm changing what i'm focusing on i'm making sure that i'm emotionally involved in it because i'm my limbic system that makes all of my decisions doesn't speak english so an affirmation is useless useless unless there's some kind of emotion or feeling attached to it and we're actually feeling what that means so we an affirmation would work even if it was in a sound that had no verbal meaning to us at all no syntax as long as it produced an emotion because the emotions and the sensory experiences is how we make most of our decisions and we you know we see somebody walking out of a best buy with a big ass tv that they just bought if you stopped them and said hey why are you buying this tv they're going to give you like oh well it has this dimension and then these megapixel you know i don't know anything about electronics but in reality no one's ever gonna say i was influenced by advertising i was emotionally influenced by my neighbor who got one that was three inches smaller and i wanted to get one that was bigger nobody's going to say that so the the emotional brain the mammalian brain its job is to make most of our decisions and our human brain which sits on top the neocortex takes the credit and then legitimizes why it made the decision well and that's been said right i mean we we make our decisions then we go through our justifications yeah pretty much universally right and so let me let me say one more thing about this negative thought patterns here i have a brain back here but you can't see it so if uh if you're watching this video right now and you stick your fingers in your ears that is our mammalian brain right here so right here oh my screen's backwards is hard right in this area is our mammalian brain so our brain kind of started out developing in layers and i'll skip over all that stuff but that part of the brain right there doesn't speak english so here's what you need to do if we have something going on that's causing this panic attack or anything like that causing fear or negative beliefs we need to understand neurology and this sounds so nerdy but let me unpack it the neurology is a brain that is millions of years old millions of years old that hasn't changed it hasn't really evolved or changed from when we were getting attacked by a saber-toothed tiger so what it's trying to do that brains has not changed since it was protecting you from a saber-toothed tiger so now when anything causes stress in this modern day world even if it's on the screen of your iphone the brain doesn't know the difference it's still a mammal that's a million years old so what it's trying to do is protect you from a saber-toothed tiger or falling off a cliff or a rattlesnake that's what it's trying to do so one thing that might help you a whole lot when any of those things start coming in is just to say the phrase there are no tigers so on on one hand we're calming down that brain just a little bit but we're reminding ourselves that that is that is a million-year-old animal that is not trying to sabotage us it's there to try to keep you safe but we need to we need to address it and speak to it like a kid like a million-year-old animal like i appreciate the help i'm not in danger here i'm not going to die and i'm gonna just change what i'm thinking about as fast as i can and on that note um dr wood is saying uh the beauty of being dna plus experiences is that everything we do changes us and everyone we interact with kind of continuing on that earlier and with what you're talking about here now and then uh this coincides very much with what you're saying about putting off for tomorrow the chief cause of failure and unhappiness is trading what you want most for what you want now yeah that's great oh that was zig ziglar fabulous quote i've never read that before it it kind of fits in almost exactly with what you were saying it really does all right um let me check a couple more questions in here so on the discipline path now you you've been putting this into action i think you were saying what you're up at 4 am every day writing i write every seven days a week from 4 a.m to 11 a.m okay so and what what made you prioritize into the writing or or have you always because i i feel like you've kind of shifted more and more into the writing especially fiction um what caused that that change in you is it external influences or something you always wanted well i i've done nine deployments and still writing learning how to write fiction is the hardest thing i've ever done in my life and uh i need it i i need peace and quiet to write so i have to get up at 4am if i'm gonna have anything remotely resembling that but that's that's like the golden sacred hour for me it just happens to be when my brain works the best and i want all of my hardcore creative stuff front loaded in the in the front of the day and again that's just me i'm not i don't i don't pretend to have some kind of formula that that's magic but that's that works for me and waking up at 4 00 a.m i know i'm i'm up before 95 99 of people on the east coast eastern seaboard united states and that feels good that feels really good and of course you know the west coast and they might still be up going the other way no doubt so what um not to harp on that but when did you start to kind of shift into the fiction i mean is that giving you joy you said it's the hardest thing you've ever done is that fulfilling you because it's the hardest thing you've ever done it's it's extremely fulfilling except for the editing process so i'm paying editors to tell me i'm an idiot a lot of times you know they go through and they're i open the word doc in the morning and they're sixteen 000 uh comments that i've got to go through and that's my morning you know during the the editing phase which i'm going through right now and that is a burden and a benefit at the same time because you have somebody there to help you along the way and you also really have to struggle when there's you know on one hand there's hey we need to say this a bit different or i get a comment that says hey you can just delete this chapter the whole chapter that you spent like in two i'll spend uh three weeks sometimes writing two sentences in the book and then you know i'll get that you know formed into a chapter and i'll get a comment says hey you just need to delete this and then i'll get comments that i don't even understand at all and they'll say hey the the antecedent of this pronoun is unclear i just have no idea what that actually means i've got that this morning oh perfect uh okay so on then i i was curious because you you also do non-fiction too so let's say you get the dreaded quote writer's block do you go in and write your shopping list just to be spitting something out or do you say okay i'm gonna change gears and let me write an article on something right now because those damn two sentences aren't coming yeah so what whatever does feel cool to me like not not just cool but like whatever's inspiring to me and in my words i would just say whatever feels cool to to write about i'll switch over to that immediately not even i won't experience writer's box for more than five seconds because i'll just i'll completely switch to something else i use an app called microsoft onenote to write percent of everything that i write and i'll just i say oh this isn't working i'm gonna open this other folder called whatever mind control or you know whatever it is okay and and your books and your non-fiction and fiction definitely overlap quite a lot what do you outline your project do you just write into the project so i mean i guess essentially when you're coming up with a book or a story do you know what's what happened at the end and you're filling it in between or are you discovering as you go what what's going on with you there's a little of both uh so the the book phrase seven i thought the title was so badass i came up with the title before i even knew what it was and started writing the book so i wrote the book around the title and my newest book called the belgrade archer which is a content like a sequel book uh that book i basically wrote the entire book in four paragraphs and then i continuously just it i guess the four paragraphs are kind of like an outline but i just reference back to that the entire time so there's never really an outline so to speak and i have no idea how the book's gonna end until i get to the end okay so it is a a bit of a hybrid and also did you see this as a series or did you say let me write a book and then suddenly became a sequel i had no idea people would like it i thought people were going to hate it well what if we did before i published it i researched how quickly i could yank it off of amazon in case it was uh embarrassingly bad yeah i didn't think people would like it at all really yeah well you did some beta testing right i mean with my clients like like my kind of crap so i didn't know like you know aunt donna you know who lives in wherever is going to be buying it and having it on the beach somewhere i didn't know if she was going to like it okay okay um so what inspires you in in terms of it i mean i many fiction writers are also fiction fans uh who do you read who do you look up to i think uh my favorite writers would be david baldacci dan brown and number one would be john grisham for sure okay and you kind of have a well you're going sort of for the dan brown pace or or more similar in that regard right pretty similar to dan brown or uh maybe a tom clancy probably very inspirational to me but less technical that's yeah clancy gets pretty pretty um deep yeah i read one book he spent six pages describing the the interior of a radio communications room yeah and i think i might have put the book down at that point i don't remember well he also has a research team yeah no doubt i mean uh you know tom clancy's like um patterson one he's dead but even before then he's almost i would say a publisher over an author anymore i think yeah a lot of guys are going that way mm-hmm franchise uh the name and there's a one of my favorite authors vince flynn who writes a series called called the mitch rap series yeah he died yeah he died and he's still publishing books it's like authors are not allowed to die anymore their their name is so valuable they're not they can't die actually that's fun though because okay robert ludlum has published more books since his death than when he was alive i didn't know that oh yeah by far oh yeah the numbers aren't even comparable but um my favorite case of this is lee child who writes jack reacher i don't know if you're familiar with him yeah he retired he said i'm done my son's taken over and i just could not help but think because like robert b parker is one of my favorite authors he died literally writing i mean he dropped dead heart attack on the uh you know on his typewriter so he he died in the saddle but i just love the idea of lee child saying okay i did this created this massive series did all that and you know i'm done i'm going to give it to my son he'll continue riding on and i'm just going to enjoy the fruits of my labor and just chill out so yeah there's something beautiful they're franchising it's great so what is chase planning to do are you planning to franchise i know you've you're talking to people i think in hollywood can you go into any of that yeah we're talking to some uh people we've got some we've got some hardcore offers to do a uh television series for the new books based on the new books the fiction books okay all right so to jump back to a subject matter here what neuroscience books would you recommend for a beginner neuroscience books um i've never read a neuroscience book that wasn't a textbook so i may not be a good source but i can tell you my favorite youtube video of all time was a a neuroscientist being interviewed on the rich roll rick roll podcast and it's called hack your behavior it is the best ever and if you're wanting to learn neuroscience uh the number one video i recommend to everybody is called neuroanatomy made ridiculously simple it's an hour-long video but it's a of a doctor talking about neuroanatomy and how everything works together in the brain i think it's pretty cool and does that go into the lizard brain etc yes they talk about it and it's just a theory it's a triune brain theory is what that's called made ridiculously simple yeah i'd remember to put this in the show notes i didn't realize until just now i can see comments over here yeah there you go i had it clicked on private chat oh it says eric don't scare him why would i i'm not going to scare chase trust me he's eric's a scary guy uh yeah sure and what is the subject of the painting that's yorktown behind you right yes so this is uh called the surrender of lord cornwallis the painting it's got the uh i can't point because this camera's uh reversed so it's got the french on one side the americans on one side and uh this is the representative of lord cornwallis handing a saber over to the americans but the painting is a central piece of the phrase seven book so now it's i bought one and now it's behind my desk i've noticed that you tend to talk about yorktown quite a bit in obscure references why what what is your fascination with it seems like yorktown has a real magnetism to you it does i first went to yorktown when i'm doing a little research for the book and within five minutes i thought man this is everything needs to be centered around yorktown virginia and if you read phrase seven this uh secret agency is based there in yorktown keep in mind it is a fiction book so the secret agency is is based there in yorktown and the reason that they're based in yorktown in present day is based on this painting behind me and that's why i keep going back there because i keep having to write about it for one but i would also i also love yorktown the feeling of it so you go there i mean it's fun in history i don't know if uh the audience is familiar with it you go out there i don't know what it's like now with covid but they would have reenactments of the battles and people dress in period garb and things of that sort kind of uh like williamsburg it's sort of that colonial parkway uh trail if you will all these things tied together speaking of which we're both reading through comments now now that i can bring it up on the screen i can't stop looking at him i'm reading uh mary grace kirby perhaps maybe so who who what what she said uh maybe it's a passion oh were you in the past life yeah i don't know let me see um okay somebody asked a previous question i missed it eva i guess um are you aware of the group of the work on growth mindset of stanford neurologist andrew huberman yes and the youtube video that i said was my favorite on the entirety of youtube was andrew huberman yes so he is a badass i really like that guy and i think his his message is great but not just that how he can communicate the nerdiest like super dry professor kind of neurology stuff to everyday people and still make it captivating and interesting i think that was that was one of the things that really pulled me into that video victoria thanks for getting the book just gonna bring that up okay we're gonna go nuts here this is why with guests i actually i i forget to mention that there's a chat on the side all right what do you think about freemasons will it be in your book uh i don't know freemasons are a pretty cool organization i think they're older than christianity if i'm correct i think they date back to king solomon and christianity didn't come around until around technically around 300 a.d when the bible came out oh okay i guess i don't wasn't written until 300 years after everything right right and then you had the conclave i forget when that was where they made the determination about whether mary was a virgin and all that stuff but yeah now we're digging into dan brown yeah the council of nicea okay so on the flip side uh we asked you about fiction what about um behavioral science i mean i i know that you know you talk about being in hawaii stationed and almost like you were kind of influenced by the pickup society a little bit but who who did you start with in studying mind control behavior whatever and how about you just tell us who you'd recommend still to this day not necessarily who not to read uh as far as mind control specifically well okay first off i have trouble putting you into a box because you're kind of a mix you do body language negotiation interrogation um i think it's all one art form okay so you agree with me that it's all in the spectrum yeah and it all goes together okay so we'll just say behavioral engineering as a whole sure how you'd lay down or social engineering is part of it i don't know which way you'd go yeah either i don't care that's just a it's just syntax okay is that a micro macro thing possibly like social um wider behavioral or what you know one's wider ones narrower or what i don't know i've never really thought about it i just i just say behavioral engineering most of the time okay these are the kind of things that i want to think about over a beer or a bottle of wine yeah and break it down it'd be easier to do that with a bottle of wine one of the people that i studied under he is a clinical hypnotherapist but he also wrote books about mind control using hypnosis and his name is dantalian jones and i can't remember how much uh how long it's been since this book was published but i think his book's called mind control 101 that's literally the title of his book he's a great guy and he's been a mentor to me for quite some time dantalion jones really and scott rouse had to hype in tan daddy has mastered many skills that is correct and so which actually sounds almost like dantalion which is a very interesting wordplay but what is the history of tan daddy so uh just a couple days ago we recorded a behavior panel episode and we we for 30 minutes or 45 minutes before we even start recording so we're all just hanging out talking and scott will take whatever he chooses is you know his favorite uh 12-second clip to throw in as like the intro part of that discussion and uh we were talking about what is that kind of the creepiest comments that we've gotten on youtube and i said i've gotten proposed to in a youtube comment and uh another comment i got from a guy in one of our youtube videos is said just chase tan daddy was the comment so that became the entire intro to our latest youtube video love it okay so now it's gonna meme um you're going to have a cup and a t-shirt i mean you got what you got chase so that means what you got i think we should change my name uh well you could do it right now intended what you got tan daddy okay so yeah let's talk about a little bit behind the scenes who is the um biggest instigator out of the bunch oh it's scott so you say scott's the devil yeah well scott and i are both both do that stuff we do both poke a whole lot but you know we all three of us gang up on uh mark so mark will join the zoom meeting after well so me greg and mark or me greg and scott will all be sitting there and then mark will join the waiting room and wait for scott to add him in and then every time mark joins we'll do something ridiculous all three of us so sometimes you know we'll be just talking about something completely random or inappropriate and other times we'll just all three pretend like we're frozen and something's wrong with uh mark's computer so we do that every i think every time that we all get on for to record an episode and of course mark's reaction probably is more entertaining than what you're doing yeah every time and so mark now when he he logs into zoom he's just waiting for something so who's the adult in the room greg oh yeah greg's greg's the uh bring everybody back to reality guy all right on this note eva do you analyze each other on the behavior panel and how would you stop yourself from doing it if you don't want to do it i think a lot of people think that where we've got this stuff turned on 24 7 and i see more than most people so i might notice your blink rate or your breathing rate unconsciously and then if it shifts i might be conscious of it but i don't consciously do any of that stuff anymore so reading people is not something i ever turn off i just happen to choose friends that are just really genuine people so my need to turn on the reading people mode never exists so that never really comes on i have a genuine girlfriend i have genuine friends the genuine guys on the on the behavior panel that that that never really becomes an issue i don't think i've ever caught myself reading them except for uh watching greg react just uh videos and stuff oh come on now i know you're reading scott's saying what's he going to do what's he got planned i know there's got to be a little bit of that with your little pens and cups and t-shirts and [Laughter] charlie had a good question there yes i have i love that they were in the middle east um wait oh must be a different question uh sorry uh david miscavige body language what do you think of him he's the guy who runs scientology if you're not familiar i haven't seen him i don't know much about him at all okay have you looked okay you're in line with a lot of that um have you looked into colts at all oh hell yeah absolutely okay okay so actually this is almost a segway and if folks are patient about it i appreciate it um wait oh is this the question you answered have you ever met a serial killer or mass murderer yeah yes i have but they were in the middle east okay so nobody here in the states um that you know of yep that i know of okay um let me see and then on that line are techniques for reversing mind control the same whether quote de-culting or other circumstances mind control and culting are different things very very very different things so if we're talking about the colting thing we're talking about strict adherence to a certain set of beliefs typically following an ideology and almost a hero worship of one leader isolation from friends isolation from social networks a new uh group of terminology that other people don't know extreme love at the beginning and then it becomes something called fractionation where there's lots of love and then punishment or neglect or people turning their backs away from you so that is way different than mind control but getting deprogrammed out of a cult is completely different it's a completely different process i work with a company that helps people get out of cults right now who's based out of london and they have a process that's very different to that but what's interesting is they follow a very similar process to the process of brainwashing and people hear the word brainwashing and literally the recipe for brainwashing is a psychological approved therapy called aversion therapy approved by the american psychological association guess what that's the recipe that was discovered for brainwashing when the united states was afraid of our soldiers being brainwashed in korea to say that they no longer like america america is a bad country and they were signing these papers of their own free will and if you think about the fear factor of that a person's wife back here in the united states or back then it was mostly just wives who were left at home and she not only has to worry about her husband getting killed but if he does come home is he a a sleeper agent right because he's been brainwashed so that the fear didn't just play on the troops if i get captured i'm going to be brainwashed because of these secret techniques that koreans have i'm going to go home and i might kill people back at home so that was a tremendous the brainwashing wasn't really that real they just used some really simple stuff that if i talked about it right now you'd be like oh yeah that sounds that's stupid what about going further to the manchurian candidate um concept level what about it well i'm i'm just curious is that going down the same path just further and i think you've talked a few times about wanting to have the opportunity to meet sarah and syrian yeah i tried to go meet him in prison uh it was two days after his final parole hearing which he got denied for he's in prison in san diego or just outside of san diego and it didn't happen i had everything set up and it didn't it didn't go through but the splitting a person's personality is something that's been done at least since the early 50s when it's been done on purpose and this was done by a guy named dr george ester brooks who worked with j edgar hoover another guy named milton erickson aldous huxley margaret mead we're all together doing a lot of this stuff this is jagger hoover and he's right what's that tied in with mk ultra right it was heavily and they split the personality of a few army officers and i have all of the research on this stuff that has never been released and they use this stuff to to split a personality to where one side of the the soldier's personality would carry secrets and the other side was the normal soldier who had who was the real human so then only a code word could activate this altar personality so they would send him over enemy lines with the secret information so even if he was captured or tortured these secrets that he was carrying in his head wouldn't wouldn't necessarily come out then when he gets to the other side or gets to where he's going the guy on the other side could say it's a moonlit night or you know whatever the code word is and activate this alter ego and it's been it's a pretty simple process actually and there's even doctors that do it accidentally here in the united called st dissociative identity disorder which just means doctor-created multiple personality disorder so a doctor can create multiple personalities on accident without actually meaning to and that's a whole nother discussion but is this similar to and sorry to interrupt on that is that similar to the uh the satanic panic and the preschool stuff where you know repressed memories are sometimes injected by the doctor accidentally or is that just something similar it's similar very similar that's always great you know you read a lot of this research and you see that most of the doctors who are participating were not evil to begin with and a lot of them that we don't hear about with the mk ultra thing backed out and the government just kind of get gave a bunch of free reign over the the realm of psychiatry who severely violated the hippocratic oath their their solemn vow as a health care provider to do no harm will they isn't that kind of a problem with some of these fields like as an example most cops for example are fantastic generous people that put their life down i mean amazing people however there is an attraction to the field and they try to do psychological tests and everything else to help weed them out and this is not only you know just bullies who are sometimes attracted to the field but even all the way up to a serial killer who tries to inject themselves in the case because they really want to manipulate so isn't that kind of a um a potential problem anytime you're dealing with a quote dark arts or whatever absolutely and you need some some training to be able to spot those people and i think the police are doing all they can for now that's why i i don't want to criticize them i'm just saying that you know that there are people who are really really trying absolutely and the more clever ones can maybe get in there uh somebody brought up here and i was going to ask it myself because i've had uh john fitzgerald on who carlo put him away ted kaczynski was um thought of to be part of mkultra the unabomber i've done research on mkl for 15 years i've never seen his name on a single document that's okay doesn't mean it's not there but i've seen research that's never been released to the public and i've still never seen his name even casually mentioned in a letter okay so you've seen the harvard students that were given the lsd and all that yeah okay well yeah i know that he was at harvard at the time but that doesn't necessarily mean his name was never on a on a manifest or i don't know whatever they'd call a patient list okay let me see somebody asked have you ever read uh tom o'neil's book on manson and the links with mk ultra no i haven't yeah i think that's relatively recent and wow anything to do with with serial killer stuff i hate it i i can't stand like it's richard ramirez guy that we just did on the behavior panel never heard of him in my life until scott told us uh what the topic of the video was i've never heard of him okay scott um okay well let's go back to the panel everybody likes to talk about the panel but um scott loves psychopaths yeah that's kind of a little pet thing for him from what i've seen what does everybody else like what do you like you mean in terms of diagnostic statistical manual of psychology well or just or a particular interest like i feel like scott is very very interested in psychopaths that's something that i don't know if he entertains him but he's very interested in it i've heard him talk about psychopathy more than any of you and i just naturally assume that each of you has a particular subject that's interesting to you you like to count i hear count yeah like heartbeats and blink rates and yeah i do a lot of that i think i'm most passionate about anytime somebody is influenced persuaded or made to agree to do something that they otherwise would not do so false confessions are fascinating to me the reason that a uh highly intelligent highly socially intelligent ceo would join a cult is fascinating to me and and what happened in those scenarios i've spent the better part of my life trying to distill all of those extremely enhanced persuasion techniques for military usage and i i didn't realize until just a few years ago that they had some serious therapeutic application and now i'm starting to teach a whole lot of clinicians and psychotherapy providers in in my training okay you brought up north korea did you read lyfton is it you know coming out of that no never okay robert lifton is a guy who quote came up with the definition of a cult i guess if you will and he studied north korean prisoners quite literally i forgot what it was is um thought uh reform i'd have to look it up but he and margaret sanger i believe are the big psychologists with a cult side okay so maybe her name appeared first on the research i've read i think almost everything margaret singer's put together okay yeah i believe he's actually still alive he's like 90 something really so you better go look him up quickly yeah i need to give him a call all right um so the you're into that do you want do you ever study conman which to me is you know i've heard you know a cult is really a confidence person who just keeps doing the con on the same people or connie and the same people over and over i think there may be some maybe a little bit of difference there but i'm i'm obsessed with uh frank abagnale and the life that he's led i even have a youtube video on well touching on frank abagnale and discussing the serious benefits of overconfidence and why people who are overly confident have an unfair advantage over other people like frank abagnale did he walked through the airport with that pilot's uniform on like a badass and had no idea you know where the cockpit was basically in an airplane so over confidence you might be a dumbass but it still gives you an unfair advantage and i wanted to go through the evolutionary psychology of why that happens and how to do it for yourself in the youtube video that i did have you met him no i haven't i'd love to well you know jordan harbinger i know he's had them on so you might be able to get him yeah thanks jordan seriously i i want to get frank abnail on myself i think it's a interesting person for certain um on that note of cults hypnosis mind control things like that i asked you last time we were on if somebody could be hypnotized against their will and you were kind enough to respond to that and i also asked christina lennon who i introduced you to i believe yeah good friend of mine now um awesome i love connecting really cool people i wanted to tell my kids where i was facetiming with christina just a few days ago oh yeah and uh i said i was telling my kids like come in here this is the lady who hypnotized simon cowell and they're like no but they got to meet her and they got to meet the dog it was great it was fun yeah well princess is retired i know that so yeah but yeah christina is amazing she is i had you guys both on because scott adams essentially stated that nobody can be hypnotized against their will and you both contradicted him now what i have not shared i mean some of the people who follow the channel and saw it on twitter may have seen it but scott adams actually did respond to the um to christina and i yes to the two of you and i thought it would be kind of cool if i shared that right now because i don't think you've actually seen it before awesome and he was very cool here's a micro lesson on hypnosis not how to do hypnosis but a specific question that people have been asking me and the question is this can you use hypnosis to get somebody to do something that they don't want to do now when i interviewed nikki klein who was involved with the nexium organization which the news calls a cult but that's an opinion not a not an objective statement um when i was talking to her i said during the interview that in my opinion you can't have to you cannot hypnotize people to do things that they don't want to do meaning that are deeply against their you know ethical or moral or self-interest and um a lot of people disagreed and there was a gentleman eric conley h-u-n-l-e-y if you want to google him he's got a youtube channel in which he meant he brings up this point and he talks about um the different opinions from a couple of other professional card hypnotists who say the opposite they they say yeah you know under the right circumstances you can hypnotize people to do pretty much anything now why is it that i say you can't and two other professional hypnotists you know even more qualified than me because they do it professionally why would they say you can but i say you can't well the difference has is more to do with definitions than with disagreeing about the facts if you dug into each of the individual facts that the other two hypnotists claim to be true i will also agree they're true but we're only we're only differing on definition and here's the problem when you tell me can you make somebody do something they don't want to do with hypnosis i have limited my definition of hypnosis to a subject and a hypnotist who are trying to do the same thing in other words the subject wants to let's say conquer a fear and the hypnotist wants to help them do that that's your normal subject hypnotist situation now under that situation by definition the hypnotist is only doing things that the person wants they want to get over their fear so when i call it hypnosis i mean a willing a situation in which the subject and the hypnotist are going for the same objective so it's more of a definition thing now could the hypnotist plant unwanted suggestions and get somebody to do something that they didn't want to do yes they could could could somebody who's not a hypnotist use the same tools of persuasion and guess somebody to do something that they really didn't want to do and the answer is yes in fact you see that happen every single day that would be called let's say pre-suasion like you prime somebody and then they think they made up their own mind but they don't know they were primed that's the thing it's a book pre-suasion uh how about the all the written by uh uh childini gel diddy also wrote influence before he wrote pre-suasion influence is exactly a book about how people are influenced and don't know that they didn't make up their own mind so you can show that people think they're making up their own mind but they're actually just influenced so is that somebody making somebody do something they didn't want to do how about advertising how about propaganda about the fake news about selling how about marketing how about negotiating every one of those things gets you to do something you didn't want to do so if you ask me can you make somebody do something you that they didn't want to do with hypnosis i say how about just get rid of the word hypnosis can you get people to do things they didn't want to do by talking to them or you know exposing them to you know stimulation the answer is yeah all of these things do it advertising does it marketing negotiating all of them let me make it even simpler let's say you planned to get some work done today and you were going to work hard and today was going to be a real good work day and your best friend calls you and says hey it's a great day do you want to golf and you say no i i had today you today was going to be work i'm not going to golf i'm going to work and then your friend is like it's not going to be this good every day you know and you could you could work tomorrow and that work will still be there and by the way you promised me that you would golf with me the next time it was a good day and then finally you say all right let's just go golf so is that an example of you being hypnotized to go golf instead of work and the answer is yes yes it is that is an example of you being hypnotized but you wouldn't call it that you simply used a tool with hypnosis which is directly asking for something maybe you know comparing it to something else using the the concept of shortage it's like ah there won't be many great days uh reciprocity i did this favor for you why don't you golf with me you know you can imagine a whole bunch of techniques of hypnosis but they're just conversation it's just you and your friend talking would you ever say that your friend forced you to do something you didn't want to do or would you say no i did what i want to do i simply changed my mind about what it was i wanted to do that's probably how you would filter it you'd say no i just i did what i want to do i just changed my mind about what i wanted to do or did you because you wouldn't have changed your mind without that friend saying and doing the right things that friend hypnotized you against your will because your will was not to go golfing and you did so this opens up an interesting question about free will i would say that as a person who does not believe that free will he goes on for a few i don't know if we wanted to get into all of it i'll put a link to the rest of the response he spent almost 10 minutes talking about all of that which i think is interesting and i imagine you'd agree with a lot of what he said yeah i think scott and i are both uh board-certified clinical hypnotherapists from an international board i think scott and i are certified under the same board but i agree that the definitions are unusual i think you had a one of a super chat question up here from i do yeah i was going to get to that next uh but yeah i agree with that in that you can absolutely be made to do something that you normally wouldn't do i disagree with scott that it might be some i can make you do something you don't really want to do if i'm not good at influence i'll just make you want to do it and then you'll want to do it so i mean it's not a question of like oh i don't want to do this so then we have context and desire so i can build something up and drive you towards that behavior i could use hypnosis to do that i can i could drop somebody in the middle of a loud bar completely out in a trance in three minutes or 30 seconds many times but then it's the context and then you have the the super creepy uh hypnotist guy who was arrested in seattle i think for uh molesting one of his clients or something i was actually in the video i i've got the tape where he was doing it and the police literally came in the cena so i got the police tape and put that in the same video that's awesome i'm glad they did it but in in a context like that you change the desire plane that that person is on so right now i don't want to get naked neither do you eric especially no and they by the audience you don't want it trust me on this you don't want that i'm not tan daddy okay so in most situations people don't really feel like i need to take my clothes off right now but if you're under hypnosis and someone tells you that you're in the bathroom you're getting ready to go get in the shower so the moral objection of like this is against my morals to get naked is no longer there the context has completely shifted what your morals will tolerate in a situation so i think that's changing the reality around somebody in essence right yeah okay and that makes makes total sense um let me get let's definitely get this question because hopefully you do know somebody please recommend hypnotist if possible in tri-state area for self-development slash optimization either way appreciate chase use education now is tri-state delmarva i mean i don't know which tri-state patricia please send me an email at chase chasehughes.com perfect and then yeah you could probably look somebody up if you don't know him off the top of your head okay so changing the reality and all that i kind of i think i want to finish out talking to you all right what did i miss uh dragon's treasure said they want you to get naked uh no you can daddy they want ten daddy they don't want me they need to buy tea for me but [Laughter] what um about okay new york city tri-state area duh there we go sorry uh new york uh new jersey connecticut what do you think and scott adams is starting to spin into that about free will he's of the belief that there that we have no free will i'm wondering where you fall on that spectrum i know that's a a highly debated item if anybody wants torture listen to jordan peterson and sam harris talk about free will for two hours free will is a human construct it's a it's words that we're making up as humans free will just means we can make decisions yep then we've got it so the definition of free will can be different this could be a 9 000 hour long philosophical debate but from an anatomical debate the part of our brain that makes decisions can make its own decisions we can make up our own minds we can choose to run a red light and if we say that there is no free will then we should let every criminal out of jail because they're not responsible for what they did so that's kind of free will well that's kind of where i am and i feel like your philosophy that you were talking about earlier about making choices for tomorrow isn't that free will it isn't that you know that discipline isn't that kind of part of it yeah because if we have no free will then we just do whatever we want right right now impulsively which we can you could just randomly choose to subscribe to eric hundley's youtube channel right now just because you wanted to that's right because you do not have free will in that instance everybody you have no free will you must subscribe chase is a master hypnotist he went to school so this is a definite influence please subscribe and actually on that wonderful note because i want to keep chase coming back and we're going to leave some things out there what are we going to talk about next chase anything you guys want to we could actually dig into how hypnosis works okay and some secrets that you won't learn in any hypnosis class ever and i can even yank someone into the camera next time we come online and show you how fast a person can be hypnotized how's that perfect and i will visit the end of this and we will see you within a month or two let's hope sounds good thanks for having me on man

Channel: Eric Hunley

Views: 43,820

Keywords: Chase Hughes, Eric Hunley, Behavior Panel, discipline, neurology, brainwashing, false confessions, hypnosis, DNA, experiences, self-improvement, self-deprivation, prioritizing future self, psychology, behavioral science, persuasion, ethical considerations, psychological considerations, body language

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Length: 76min 2sec (4562 seconds)

Published: Thu Jan 28 2021