Mind Control with Chase Hughes of the Behavior Panel | Body Language Podcast Episode 32

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all right and we are live and chase in the spirit of things i got the t-shirt dude my life with the thrill kill colt it is a must wear for today's occasion so to start things out as everybody rolls in i have a two-part question i've got to ask you all right number one can one be hypnotized against their will are we doing this one part at a time yes sir the question itself is flawed from the beginning okay and to illustrate that i'd like you to imagine i've got a syringe here and you and i are in the same room and i've got some kind of medicine in there it could hurt it could help you it could hurt you who knows so can i give that to you against your will like of course if you see me coming with the syringe you can fight me off sure right i mean you could get a baseball bat and just hit me in the head and i'd be finished true so hypnosis is pretty similar if you see the needle you see the person that you know the intent is coming absolutely not it's probably not going to happen however if we're in the same room i don't show you a syringe i don't tell you what's going on and you turn around to check your email and i bury it in your neck that's a different story that does not involve your will at all it involves your awareness and that is the true question can you be hypnotized against your will absolutely not so hypnotherapist will tell you no all day long the true question is can it be done without your awareness or your consent and the answer is 100 absolutely yes all right perfect and that makes sense you can trick somebody into it you can be sneaky about it you can do a lot of different things so the second part of the question would be i'm always hearing oh no you can't be hypnotized to do something that you would not normally do is this true or false and can you explain i'm gonna get a lot of hate mail for answering this but i have to answer it honestly here i guess i don't have to but if a person is hypnotized they can be made to do things that they normally would not do yes absolutely i'll give you an example let's there's a creep bag hypnotist who is also an attorney in in washington state who did this with his clients his legal clients and they have videotape of this he was arrested for it and let's say there's a creep bag hypnotherapist who has peop someone comes into his office let's say it's a woman comes into his office and wants to quit smoking or eat better and he wants her to get naked or take off her clothing and in her normal circumstances if she's in someone's office that sounds like something she would not normally do if she believed or if she was to mentally hallucinate the fact that she was at home in private about to get into the shower everything changes so what is allowable given the circumstances is what we really have to consider and there's another caveat to this that would you commit murder that's not something normal people would do if we look back at the stanley milgram experiment from 1962 65 percent of people without any hypnosis at all will commit murder in less than an hour with no influence being done on them so the hypnosis is not the dangerous part it's conformity and obedience that be that makes us a little bit more dangerous so if thousands of other people are tolerating x behavior we're more likely to do it ourselves and we've seen this an unlimited number of experiments there's a great one you i won't talk about it a whole lot but you can look it up online it's called the lines experiment by dr solomon ash but we're more likely to be talked into doing something against our normal way of behavior our morals our values by an authority figure or a large group of people or someone convincing us that an authority figure said it or convincing us that a large number of people believe that it's okay okay perfect and i'm deliberately singling you out and this is to let everybody else know that i want chase solo because yes i'm going to crib every one of these pieces and i'm putting it together in another video and this is an answer to an interview with a high-level nexium member now nexium is the cult that was led by keith renery rhymes with canary or said like canaria and he just got put away for 120 years now somebody who i in general have respected quite a lot of scott adams scott adams is a trained hypnotherapist all of that and he's always talking about how trump and things are manipulating people and moving forward in this interview though i am very troubled because he is saying things like you can't be made to do something that you wouldn't do under hypnosis or no uh these people knew what they were getting into and i really feel from the cult experts i've had and people like you and christina linen well i'm also speaking with it that's absolute rubbish because i'm going to ask you one more question then we're going to move on to all the general overall things and this is a statement deal that you dealt with in your mind control lecture and i bring it up very specifically because if you watch the behind the scenes bits about nexium one of the things they did was make sure that calories were restricted to around 500 a day and they kept people too busy to sleep do you want to speak on that a little bit calorie restriction is very common in interrogation and mind control practices the lower food portions or calorie intake a person has the lower their willpower and ability to resist unjust authorities let's say or just authorities either way it it increases and another thing that it does is or another thing i've read especially from these people is that sleep was also restrictive and the number one side effect of sleep loss is increased suggestibility according to me anyway and there's been a lot of studies on that that show that a person's level of suggestibility goes way up and suggestibility means the likelihood that a person will take and then act on a suggestion from another person so when we hear these things we we can't be made to do things against our will this implies we're aware that it's happening and when we hear things like you can't be made to do things you normally wouldn't do this implies that there's an absence of authority there's an absence of previous social proof or there's an absence of this this is normal for me in a certain circumstance so shooting might be great at a shooting range so when someone says you can't be made to go pull out a gun and start shooting it seems normal at a shooting range so the context is very important and the level of suggestibility is very important i've spent my whole lifetime developing tactics and techniques to ramp up suggestibility in other people without using the sleep deprivation without using diet deprivation or what they call a calorie restriction down to 500 but all that does is manufacture suggestibility okay and i've also found and i think i've read too like the most dangerous drivers on the planet are not drunk they're sleep deprived and i know that i've gone sleep deprived for extended periods of times and i literally felt psychotic i mean where i reacted oddly i got overly tense i would just you know practically flip out so i can imagine have some power i may sound like a uh a nut saying this but personally if i'm sleep devised deprived and i haven't slept for a day and a half two days very common when i was in the military i am very very careful about what goes into my ears so if i'm listening to a commercial about frequent migraines or constipation or any kind of nasty horrible things that all these pharmaceutical companies want to jam down your throat during the middle of the day keep in mind that the more suggestible you are the more likely your brain is to act on that stuff even if it's in the background you've turned the volume down you're not listening to it it's still there do you train yourself for it as an example like i'll be watching youtube videos and i get caught in a rabbit hole and i start to feel angry because it'll start showing me one video or another and it starts tweaking me and to counter that i'll watch important videos to me like um i think this little girl i believe her name is mandy and she's a drummer and she plays against dave grohl so i i will deliberately feed in if you will noise about classic rock song or little girl playing drums or things like that which starts to tweak the algorithm the other way do you ever do anything like that i've never messed with an algorithm before that's a good idea i like that every time i get annoyed i go for silly if i could find something silly i feel like it's just gonna you know raise my dopamine a little bit i get a little bit of laugh i feel a little bit better and it helps counter plus they keep serving up more they're like oh if you like nandy bushnell playing drums maybe you'll like this other kid playing drums or his dog doing something yeah and i'll tell you what one one thing i've never admitted to anybody and i've never said in any public forum is that if i'm working i write every day from four a.m to 11 a.m seven days a week and that's my sacred time to write produce the books and stuff like that and the whole time i'm doing that i have audio books on about the power of positive thinking think and grow rich i have the first ever printed edition of think and grow rich it was the first gift i ever bought myself and all of this stuff just law of attraction things and we can definitely get into that i can give you a really good uh from uh extreme skeptic science guys perspective of of how that all works but that that's great to have in the background especially even if you're watching youtube videos and that's in the background just a little bit muted just to remind you that every little pause when no one's speaking on the youtube just to keep you grounded and and what's what's real is that kind of a hypnosis methodology too i mean i used to study for tests by every time i go to sleep i would listen to the answers that are read into a tape recorded to just kind of through osmosis or whatever to just seep in yeah and now in 2012 actually i just made that up sometime a while ago i made up a four-step process for brainwashing people overseas and we can dig into that if you want because it's great it's great for anything you want to do you can even use it on yourself and i think that's there there's a lot of that there and one of the biggest parts if i could sum up mind control in one word it would be repetition okay that makes sense and um real quickly uh get to the audience i'm gonna start high gavin stone mutual friend of ours give me 10 pounds gavin is a hero thank you very much gavin thanks man you actually had a question here um chase last time we spoke on the phone you mentioned a book you were working on originally intended for your children and how you're prepping it for the public with life lessons can you tell more so this might go lighter and then we'll get back dark again the i uh was diagnosed with a condition that i thought would kill me a few years ago so i wrote down a book of all from a behavioral mind control expert whatever the hell you want to call it perspective how to live a good life and even in an interrogation room i continue to believe that we rise by lifting others that's been my the feeling i've had my whole life so this book is called the 26 agreements i think it'll be out next summer give or take and uh it's it may not sell it may sell a whole bunch i have no idea but i'm definitely going to put it out there you can't lose on that all right so jane or jana getaway i'm studying the ellipsis manual and the training planner but i'm still having trouble with establishing ght would you be able to do a ght example live with eric so first off what is ght and then ht it's a it didn't exist before it's something i've noticed in all these videos that people did all the time so i had to give it a name so the name that we gave it was gestural hemispheric tendency it's a big scientific name for what side do people look toward or gesture toward when they talk about positive versus negative things so is it like eye accessing cues similar and eye accessing is don't get me started on that but uh don't worry i'll bri i'll bring greta dragon yeah greg and i disagree on some things but the eye accessing queues were a great start so it's not that they were trying to bs the world they this was their contribution someone added to it and added to it so people say it's been disproven a whole lot i think it hasn't been disproven it's been improved the understanding of it's improved over time so it's not how it looks back then even the people who created it said this so ght so if i if we were both in like this full body camera and i asked eric like how uh how's the what's the worst traffic traffic that you've ever been in and then eric's explaining it and with his left hand he's saying well these people are piled up on the freeway it was just as far as you can see we're just we were stuck there for hours and then i asked eric you guys just went on a vacation right down to disney world or something and he goes oh yeah we had a great time so now his right hand starts coming up and gesturing so that's really easy to spot just ask someone a question about something positive and you're finished you already know their negative side so the way to exploit ght is a little bit complex but if i know eric gestures that way this is backwards on my screen it's it's a little confusing but if i know eric is moving that way i'm going to move this way at the end of our conversation when i'm asking you to do something if i'm a therapist asking you to start a habit journal to to start getting over depression or if i'm beginning some kind of cognitive behavioral therapy to get your compliance i'm going to lean that direction i'm going to scoot my chair over that direction to make you look and reference that side of your movement or that side of your brain the good side what you associate with positive stuff as i'm asking you to do something hmm okay and would you use the negative to um discuss behavior that you're maybe trying to get rid of like uh you'll be on the negative side if you're talking about their smoking or eating habit or that type of thing and kind of shifting back and forth yeah the negatives i wouldn't use it a lot but the negative side are used for the two c's number one is the cost of an action and this is for everybody sales a lawyer who's persuading a jury anybody i might use that side while talking about the cost of not doing what we're talking about and the second c is specifically for sales or or a trial like a law firm and the second c would be competition so i might do this or if eric's over there i might do this when i'm talking about opposing counsel or if i might do this when i'm talking about some of our competitors so that's all it would be granted none of these things are of merit on their own you can't just do this and then get success you have to stack these things together so you can't you can't take a single lego and say it's a castle you've got to stack a bunch of crap together to make to make it into a castle when i mesh imagine um kind of like the mind control thing the repetition it's going to be awkward to use the techniques at first anyway so you've got to do it over and over and over to where you don't even i mean i guess you're not even thinking about doing it you just naturally are doing it probably so and there's some people that do it naturally with no training at all and we call we just call them charismatic but think of uh how trump speaks when trump speaks on stage there is a massive amount of repetition oh yeah and there's a researcher named dr james pinabaker at the university of texas he wrote a book called the secret life of pronouns but he also talked in this book about the newness of words so the phrase one small step for man one giant leap for mankind those aren't all individual words in that phrase some words are repeated one for step whatever else they are so there's there's not there's not a whole lot of uniqueness so we can measure someone's veracity and truthfulness typically from the amount of unique words that they tend to use that's cool and do you also study people like uh simon lancaster and speechwriters and and folks like that because they are actually deliberately doing some of this yes using the rhymes because they sound true even though it doesn't mean it's true just because it rhymes does not mean it's actually truthful but boy it rhymes it must be real it's gotta be real stronger it's catchy there's a i can't remember the author's name but the book there's a book on how to make people do that called the microscript rules and that harkens back to all those things that we still remember today like if the glove don't fit you must acquit quit from the oj trial we all remember it so that it me how to make things sticky definitely and back to your trump low energy gem joe uh jeb i thought was it's sleepy joe and low energy jeb that's right yeah he was talking about jeb bush yeah which was to me one of the most devastating moves ever because everybody thought of jeb bush is very sober and thoughtful and cautious and he just painted low energy and it's like you can't get that image out of your freaking head that's true all right so we have here um and i'm sure you want to do this chase would like to speak about his upcoming release six minute x-ray that would be great what a six-minute x-ray thanks braden i'll send you a check appreciate that uh on november 20 i have a book coming out called six minute x-ray it is a rapid behavior profiling manual on all of the things that are very very specific and quick so how to profile a human being in six minutes to where you know their fears their insecurities all of that stuff and six minutes is the worst case scenario and in a lot of my trainings i'll bring in someone live i'll ask him three or four just totally normal questions and show how the behavioral profile can be put together in six minutes or less and that's what the entire book is about it's a completely new system i think 90 percent of it was invented by me over the course of 20 years and 30 000 hours of doing this stuff and we built this system to to make it easier for intelligence personnel and interrogators to get results okay are you are you going through that right now that you've learned things one way and over time you're starting to shift or change your methodology as you learn more uh yeah but i i think i've been a methodology changer habitually my whole life because the moment that something starts working more i've treated all of my life and all my conversations like a a b test and so every interaction every interrogation everything was an a b test something worked or something didn't work i need to sharpen this and in the end it could wind up saving somebody's life that's interesting you brought up charismatic people earlier and you brought up before like charles manson didn't read a book on to do how to do this stuff weren't they theoretically probably do an a b test their whole life too they do if i push this button they seem to be doing that let me keep doing that they do it unconsciously however so when you have somebody who is an extreme level narcissist or a psychopath they have trouble with emotion so they're from the a very young age they get into that mindset of when i did this facial expression i got affection when i did when i started using this when i touched this person on the shoulder they showed more emotion to me so they spend their lives trying to figure out human emotion on a level that uh that we will never experience and that their whole life now becomes about presenting a mask making people feel a certain way and at the end i become i'm at the top because i've done all of these things and i can i can just yank an emotion any emotion i want out of a person around me and that's for the the negative aspect of it they want the control for themselves well that makes some sense because um you know like talking to dr fallon i know scott and i are you know scott disagrees and he doesn't think he's a psychopath dr fallon's arguing there has to be an um evolutionary reason for a psychopath to exist and that what you're describing may be actually a superpower because sometimes our our weaknesses so to speak are superpowers like dyslexics have a lot of trouble reading but they tend to be able to absorb the environment around them and memorize things like crazy is that the case here it could be i think every every species has done you know if you if you read charles darwin everything relies on uniqueness so there's a species like uh starts shooting off a couple of ideas it starts testing ideas basically and these are just random striations of a dna going one way and if that starts to become more prominent then that starts to grow a little bit more and the more successful that is the more it grows i'll give you a great example of this there was a nuclear reactor i think in the northern us i don't remember what state it was in but there's a forest a giant state forest reserve right next to this nuclear plant and the forest is full of these white moths that are about two inches across so they would land on a tree this moth would land on a tree and in the middle of the night it's solid white an owl that's cruising through the forest would see this moth and say yep there's some dinner and just go pick it right up and grab it off the tree and somehow i have no idea how a black moth is born because supposedly this reactor is nearby and it creates this gene gene branch to where it makes a black moth so three or four black moths are born somewhere in different parts of the forest and then they find each other and then they produce some babies and then sooner or later the only the only moths left are black because the white ones are being eaten and that's how one little deviation can either test it's an a b test of us of our dna of how good we're doing that's fascinating in the life span of moths is short enough that you can see a sped up super cycle of evolutionary gradation i guess if you will because their generations are over a week or you know over days versus years and years yeah and that's fascinating okay jumping back to pershan chase where can i find the ethics guide you mentioned on your interview with the celebrity hypnotist who's a celebrity hypnotist i don't know maybe he's talking about rich guzzy we have a ethics guide that's in all of our student manuals so that's that's where it would be and the ethics guide base basically says we rise by lifting others kind of kind of like a variant of the golden rule yeah leave people better than you found them um this is a good one we got to plug to your other show the behavior panel heck yeah which i i've got to point this out too while i read this because it's just i think it's funny you guys picked a name that can be spelled two ways by a member of your own panel who spells it a different way behavior in uh canada and england is spelled differently which is just kind of funny what is chase's favorite behavior behavior panel video and what's the reason why i think the most the most interesting video i've ever done with the panel was we were analyzing a a video of of this new netflix series that came out called unsolved mysteries and this older woman my probably my grandmother's age uh was being interviewed about an experience with a ufo and another guy got interviewed about his experience of the ufo and all of us are watching this and saying holy crap these these people are being honest and i mean it's it's me greg hartley uh top in the world former interrogator former resistance to interrogation instructors mark bowden the guy who trains leaders of countries and behavior and scott rouse a world champion interrogator you've got to be pretty smart to get to get something past us and that was the first ever episode where all four of us were scared at the end because all four of us were we we'd never i'd never seen anything where i believed 100 of what somebody said and even if i did see something where i believed it i'd say maybe there's some bias i'd say well maybe maybe i want aliens to exist so bad that i'm i ignored something or i had some truth bias in there but it's me and these other three guys were sitting there watching were all said that this is 100 honest and i didn't sleep very well that night so that was a big deal and i think the my most favorite was recording the episode of the fly on mike pence's head we analyzed his behavior for half an hour and uh we had had to take longer than that to record oh man it took a long time we were cracking up a lot oh and speaking of your uh peers and uh that expert there scott rouse wants to know ask chase questions about your haircut and your tie yes the uh haircut is performed at the local navy exchange on little creek joint expeditionary base and the thai uh it's perfo hold on it's performed it's performed yes by a filipino woman named myleene all right and what about the tie i think it was like six bucks on amazon and i that's about it okay and speaking of great behavior panel moments scott and chase pretty much always have something going including famous cups we do so i highly encourage everybody check it out and look for the one with the cup it's a great one all right um maria anafridi asked chase you said corrugation programming could be applied to therapy do you know of any instances where it was used to influence physical healing as opposed to just mental healing like with ptsd i get a lot of people what's that what is corrugation programming first the corrugation programming is the the word corrugation means there's two pieces of cardboard here but hidden inside of it is a lot of structure to keep it to keep it good so it was a a conversational technique we invented a while ago that has a lot of stuff built into it to make sure it sticks and i get a lot of emails about people using this stuff for all kinds of things i don't think i've read anything physical and if i did i would be extremely skeptical if i ever saw something like that okay i would never discount it but it's like when you uh hear people talk about not believing in the law of attraction or i don't believe in xyz it's always fascinating to me that i it personally i think the with everything we've built we've got the iphone 12 we've got spaceships we've got tesla's i think the only ignorant thing we can do is speak with certainty about how the universe presents itself to us and i think an astrophysicist is probably more aware of their own ignorance than a lot of us no that yeah you're getting into the dunning-kruger effect yeah um on some of that sure and the law of attraction i i can easily push back on that a little bit though because there are people who say well if i think it is just gonna happen it's like well no you do have to do something i mean i can't just sit there and uh sleep in every day and say if i think about a million dollars it's just gonna fall upon me and i think that it's kind of represented a little bit that way yeah um it is you know i i'm you know i'm gonna think that i'm gonna be a great basketball player no i'm probably not i don't have the height i'm just not quite going to do it so right i think that there's other tools that sort of have to go along with it and that's the big problem i have with the law of attraction is it's being sold as this perfect you think about it it'll come build it and they will come and i think yeah you kind of have to do it in conjunction with if you put out the effort and do the be do have versus have do be then it's more effective yeah i agree and and if we could jump into that really quick from a skeptic's point of view and i'm not i'm not a very big spiritual person i'm very science based and i think the law of attraction is still there and i was never convinced until recently just reading about it from a scientist's perspective saying that at a minimum we will accept the fact that a person who doesn't believe in it or believes let's let's take a guy who believes that all his life is horrible and horrible crap is coming his way versus a guy who believes his life is wonderful and he's got lots of great stuff coming to him one of those people will be will live a happier life at a very bare minimum and the second part of that is our brains run on enough electricity to power a vacuum cleaner which is a lot like that's a lot of power up there and they do broadcast something and we've all had an experience to where we've thought of someone and they texted us who the hell knows if that's the real thing or not i'm speaking with any kind of certainty i think is a little silly for sending out some kind of frequency i think that we're going to get what we think about a lot because that goes into from a sci all neuroscience it goes into something in our brain called the reticular activation system i just bought a a new truck today and what'd you get uh dodge rebel okay so over the last three days i've been youtubing the crap out of this thing just to make sure everything was right i've watched a hundred rednecks on youtube explain all these things but over the last two days i've seen a hundred of them and i've never noticed one on the road before the frequency either two things are true either a in the last two days a quarter of the city of virginia beach bought this truck or two i've started looking at it my brain says oh chase thinks that's important i'm gonna i'm gonna think that's important too i'm gonna pay attention for that so then i go out and drive around and i see them everywhere so the moment that we tell our brain this is important i want you to look for that i think that's where the law of attraction is it's already it's in our head it's our reticular activating system so if i'm thinking about nasty stuff all the time i'm going to continue to look for nasty stuff because the reticular activation system is telling me to do that so the more we're feeding ourselves with positive stuff the more we're going to get and if the frequency thing is true and if we take a military frequency or let's say an emergency frequency which is a 121.500 megahertz this is called international air distress when a plane says mayday it's over 121.5 if you tune into that frequency the only thing you're going to hear ever the stress is emergencies and people having the worst day of their life that's it but if you tune in to another frequency you'll only hear people talking on that frequency so i think like if i've got a radio here and i program in what i want to receive and with 12 watts of power i'll get into a 30 seconds worth of military antenna and radio transmission science any transmitted signal will continue forever until it is hit by an obstruction a cloud a building a mountain a bunch of trees those things deteriorate radio signals but if i have an antenna that's a 10 watt antenna is the highest power you can get without having a license from the faa in the in the united states that's a lot of power and you can hit 36 miles with 10 watts if our brains are at 12 how far are they going so if i'm just sending out that frequency that's all negative who am i sending it who's receiving it and who am i going to bump into in the store who am i going to get pissed off at in the parking lot i think there may be something to that it could be the frequency thing it might be our reticular activation system if you know the old phrase if you meet an [ __ ] in the morning you met an [ __ ] but if you met an [ __ ] in the morning the afternoon and the evening you might be in the [ __ ] uh yeah for sure and by the way on your um antenna and signal projection thing bit of trivia for you there were some lost episodes of doctor who that went on in the 60s several years ago they reflected back from space and they picked them up wow and it was like a matter of the 40-something years or whatever but they went out in space and literally came back and they were able to capture and record these episodes of a television show they got put out so while you're talking about signals think of all the garbage that we've spewed out there and god help us yeah when our friends go and look at all the hitler messages and whatever else is uh being spewed oh man that's a really fascinating i'm gonna look that up as soon as we we get this all done i saw you light up i'm like yeah he's gonna have this one all right um question for ben g question i've noticed that where people scratch their head to fear defers on their state of confusion or touch their face but haven't found any definitive source do you have any insight into this you bet it's if the answer might piss you off but everybody's different and we do different stuff so some things are universal like facial expressions but where we touch our face or scratch our head during times of confusions is very much influenced by friends growing up what our parents did when we were between 3 and 13 years old in those formative years the second part of that that i would pay attention to is the amount of pressure that's applied i think the amount of pressure against the head or against the face is more important than where it is being done is this digital flexion chase what's that you're always you like pressure digital flexion yeah so it's really like digging in there and then that would that would be more meaningful than the location to me okay i'm going to go back to the behavior panel and that just made me think digital flexion chase which i'm teasing you a little bit but everybody has you know uh greg has i accessing cues and you know it goes through it every time how would you describe the panel and what are the um what would you describe as everybody's favorite go-to i'll start with scott okay so scott rouse is a body language expert but he was a record producer his whole life he is a legitimately famous uh music producer and grammy nominated yeah he's kind of a big deal so he tends to view things from his past life so he looks at as we all do so he tends to look at things like what happened to them to make them act like this or what are they trying to get over on me so i assume that he'd been a lot of shady business deals and stuff people trying to screw him over especially in that business it's probably a lot so scott comes at it from a point of suspicion and open-mindedness at the same time which i think is exactly what everybody is is really refreshing here but scott can narrow down on very very sharp and very let's see academically reliable information in a very short amount of time much faster than me greg tends to focus on movement and focuses in on those tiny movements a lot faster than most people so greg has the ability to see where this person greg tends to see these people through the maslow's hierarchy a lot of times and understand how the hierarchy of human need is affecting their behavior in the moment but i'd say greg is the baseline guy so we we might say greg has the eye accessing cues thing but he is obsessed with human baseline which granted all of us are but greg tends to defer to baseline on such a regular basis that it reminds me every time we film i need i probably need to do that more often mark mark bowden who is a brit living in canada he is he sees everything through the lens of story plot character function and reaction so mark tends to see story and where this person is on this hero's journey and how it's affecting what's coming out in the moment and instantaneously and this is what happens when you go to harvard i guess instantaneously he has an an allegory that that harkens back to ancient rome that i i look forward to every time we record and i think that's that's what makes us a really great team that everybody's got these little super powers and what is yours how would you describe it i i would love to share this on youtube it would just take a long time uh during the episodes when we film i tend to see things from what kind of suffering is this person have in their private life way off camera how do they hide that suffering in their day-to-day life and what's coming out now that continues to reveal that so in the case of the dr phil episode we did this guy had a lot of concealed shame and the way that i knew it how i profiled it would have would have taken a whole other episode but the way that he hides concealed shame is with humor and deflection or projection i'm sorry so he'll project the the negativity on to other people instead of himself so i see that he probably does this in other areas of his life let's see if he brings that to the phil episode and let's see if he does that live while we're watching him live which we we got to see it again dealing with some of that stuff and one thing that a lot of people don't really realize is that everybody is suffering everybody's got some kind of secret shame everybody has some secret shame and how we hide that or how we compensate for it be it on instagram or in social media or our social interactions with other people that is more important than knowing where they are on the myers-briggs or knowing what kind of car that the person drives so understanding how the person reacts to what they need some of what they're fearful of what they're insecure about or ashamed of you've brought that up actually a lot in the past i mean i've interviewed you for a while we've known each other a while and i know that you came out initially of the pickup artist community or that's what got you into this to start is being turned down on a date is that what has kept you into check because let's be honest being a young male 20 something we're damn near a monster to begin with is it seeing the shame or the pain in other people that has prevented you from shall we say teetering over the edge a little bit more might have been i think that gave me the better i got at reading people the more empathy i had because i realized that uh everybody else is screwed up like i am and it made people a lot easier to talk to and i bought a pickup artist's book i won't say the name of it because i don't want to promote it and i had lunch with a mentor of mine and i told him about this and he's 74 at the time and i'm like 20 19 20. and he has me pull it out i have it in my backpack i put it on the table and he says this is i'm paraphrasing but i think it's as close to a quote as i can get he says flip through the whole thing i want you to find me one of the techniques they talk about in there that isn't a way to fake like you're a real man or to fake like you handle your business and i couldn't do it and i was done that day and i said this and he he explained this like all they're doing is figuring out what triggers somebody's reaction so all of these things are a byproduct of having your stuff together and and growing up and being more mature and more composed in conversations those are just a like being good with people is a byproduct of having your stuff together off camera yeah and you've said that before yeah the number one trick to getting authority is have your [ __ ] together have your bed made at the house yeah because you know whether it's right and another and i'm bringing some of these up because you've said them over time and they just rang true when you've talked before about the pain and this kind of ties into projection the pain the projection all that i think it was you who said that when you go into piano store and hit the c chord on a piano all of them ring a little bit yeah is that a a perfect analogy for the whole whatever we're projecting out is possibly going to reflect yeah so that and that's called harmonic resonance so if you were in a guitar store and you hit the bottom e string on a guitar that would do the same thing because we're sending out from a certain place that we can't control so if i'm speaking really confidently i've read that bs article on linkedin that says how to win at body language and how to command respect or whatever crap they have out there no matter how good your body language is we're still sending these subconscious signals and they're very powerful and the one the most important thing i could ever give your listeners is where you speak from be it a place of fear insecurity confidence comfort openness a desire for connection whatever it is deep down not what you're projecting in your head but just all the way down where you speak from is where you will speak to so you speak to that exact same location you're going to vibrate the same string in the other person so if i'm secretly fearful the other person is going to get a gut feeling that there's something that's that's not right so we're speaking to that same spot makes total sense all right so jumping to questions here this is interesting and i'm always curious about uh spectrumy stuff too jenny mclean asks hi chase any recommendations regarding the best strategies to teach those on the autism spectrum to help develop pure relationships great success with the adjectives so far love the manual fascinating question so i don't know much about the spectrum and scott question yeah scott definitely knows a lot about that stuff and he's very well versed in the academic side of it and the practicality of that but i think turning turning the understanding of human behavior into a game as much as possible is the best way to do it or into a puzzle that that needs to be figured out or unraveled and one person in minnesota made a actual game out of my behavioral table of elements for her son and she's a she's a board-certified psychologist so she turned it into a game to where he had to spot what he was seeing and according to her she has she has some good success with that she's experienced a whole lot herself kind of grown from it i would love to i'm releasing an interview with another guest next week david j p phillips who is just an amazing amazing public speaker and he has public speaking broken down into 120 elements and i'm sitting here thinking i'd love to take a little the behavioral table of elements and the public speaking table because part of my fascination with you guys and you're probably sick of it is i love how you and greg and scott are all readers and mark is a big projector and i'm just fascinated in all the sides of it and kind of being on the side where i'm clueless and i don't know how to do any of it but i'm a fan and i kind of am you know watching and saying okay well this is your style that's their style yeah i would love to put some of that together because i think it all flows together it's all part of um spectrum if you will indeed and i think all of us on the on the behavior panel we had no idea it would be even remotely successful we did that for fun the whole thing and it turned out to be an incredible union of of all four of us that that was very harmonic with the way everyone communicates everybody's mature and respectful of each other and i think that's why people enjoy the show i really like it's a magic is that yeah i don't think any of you are trying to prove yourself to any of the others yeah none of us feel i don't think any of us feel the need to and and you respect all the others and you just want to talk yeah and just just kind of hanging out i think that's what makes it fun it's definitely i've heard from all the guys but i i can definitely tell you that is the best time of my week because we bs for 45 minutes before we even start recording and we bs on zoom for half an hour when we're done and i mean that's just the most fun is if you're a behavior profiler and that's your bread and butter that's in your dna you're seeing it all day we don't get there's not a lot of people like us so we don't really get to connect with other nerds on the subject like we are all the time and i think that's one of the things that makes it enjoyable for everybody is that we all speak relatively the same language even though we've all got different names for a knick-knack paddywhack whatever behavior and somebody else has got another example of it that's half the fun though isn't it because you're like why would you call it thank you goofball right yeah that's great all right back to the law of attraction here a little bit um this is i think you corrected me before is it may or may that's my my britt mueller i used to play golf on a national level and we were taught something similar to law of attraction to help us in our game and on some levels it worked go figure and yeah that i know uh was that maria nadrita lova i don't know if i'm saying it right talked about winning wimbledon a thousand times before she ever did in her brain yeah and there's even some research on this that they took this basketball team and and cut them in two so we've got 25 guys here 25 guys here and one of them shot free throws for an hour and the other sat in a room in a quiet dimly lit room and just closed their eyes and imagined shooting free throws for one hour just imagined it so then they both went out on the court they took a 10 minute break they both went out on the court and started shooting free throws the people who imagined it scored somewhere around 80 percent better than the people who had just been shooting and the consensus of the people who did the experiment and i agree with them was that the people who were sitting in the in the classroom or whatever it was imagining this thing never missed they'd spent an hour making the shot for an hour and everyone who was doing it in real life was missing on occasion was hitting on occasion so they had a repetition of i'm not sure how this is going to play out and the people who rehearsed it mentally rehearsed it had a lot of experience and repetition of making the shot is this like the children in china who uh played piano on paper and then they got exposed to a piano like one hour of a week the rest of the time they had sheets of paper with the piano keys on them to practice i had never heard of this i didn't know about it take notes i got things for you to look up after yeah look it up all right now back to the behavior panel real quickly i love this question from charlie o'malley if chase had done something bad and was trying to hide it during an interrogation who out of greg scott or mark would be more likely to crack him and why it would be greg because i started reading his books a long time ago and he i hold him in high esteem not because he's better than anybody else uh but i've i've respected him since a young age and i've had uh i wouldn't i have a higher fear of letting greg down okay i've heard scott call him your alpha of the group yeah for sure he has all the alpha behavior of of the group for sure interesting interesting and this is actually kind of on that path then question chase did you ever meet a person in your personal or professional life that was able to decept um uh dave's up to you deceive yeah sorry i was trying to put together without you're realizing it straight away absolutely that's happened to me recently no but typically it happens when it's a i've had some bad business deals and it typically happens when i get extremely emotional excited about the deal to the point where i have instantaneous truth bias and i have no idea that it's happening and everybody around me is is like what everyone around me knows but i didn't see it and that's happened to me a few times in the last 10 years or so what could be argued that we ultimately deceive ourselves yeah absolutely i'm just wondering like you want that so bad or you're so excited for it that you're like yes oh and you kind of bypass yeah for sure okay interesting um maria ana freddie you said that 80 percent of the people in milgram experience were influenced by authority to commit murder were there any similarities in the 20 that did not follow authority any trait that they shared there was not and the experiment i think has been replicated over 700 times and the people in the milgram experiment that went all the way to killing the other person were about 65 but one interesting statistic is that a hundred percent of people 100 went up to 250 volts to shock the other person or think they thought they were shocking the other person but i think the people with a strong internal locus of control because we don't just have an internal or external locus of control and this basically just means do i happen to the world do i create my life or is it a matter of luck and fate and the world pretty much happens to me so an internal locus of control means i am in charge of the results that i get and i this is my personal belief but i i absolutely believe that the people who were in who were able to walk away early let's just call them that had a very strong locus of control that was internal and we we don't just have an internal or external we're typically shifting back and forth it's kind of a venn diagram and how much overlap someone has in their venn diagram that's that's the real measure of locus of control is how much overlap is there perfect now while we're talking about influence and everything else to wrap things up i would like to know what is your recipe for cult recruiting and this is very important because we need to leave everybody with a message that they need to first subscribe and definitely like and follow this channel the very important mind control so how would you go about recruiting somebody and putting them in a cult this uh let's do the brainwashing example instead i think that's a little more a little more cool and i also i don't share that outside of our training outside of my private training the the cult thing but in in 2012 give or take i just made up that year i created a four part system for brainwashing so to speak and it actually it's an acronym that spells out the word fear f-e-a-r but the cool thing about this is that it has a lot of application into our everyday lives and we can use it on ourselves and the f in fear stands for focus and i'll give this to you like you're doing it to somebody else but i'd like you to think of it in terms of yourself the first step is to make sure that that person has absolute and continuous focus on whomever is in charge of that person continuous focus the e in fear stands for emotional involvement or emotional investment something has to be done to make sure that person is emotionally invested in the present tense moment it could be a if i'm trying to talk to some if i'm making myself want to eat better i might use an app and that makes me 30 years older and enormous and put it right on my refrigerator or i'll print out 40 of them and put them all over the kitchen that's that's pretty emotional the the a in fear is agitation so whatever is done during the process must disrupt the person's normal daily routines or expectations of what is normally going to happen so we have focus emotional involvement and agitation and the r is repetition you have to continue to do these things and disrupt things so if i'm coaching you to do something if i'm if you said chase teach me how to brainwash myself that's the formula obviously we'd unpack the hell out of that but that's what i would teach you the focus is first we have to get you emotionally invested we want you to agitate we want i want to agitate your schedule so i'm going to tell you start waking up earlier rearrange the furniture in your house the moment you're deciding to completely change your belief about something agitate as much of your life as you can obviously without wrecking it but change things up and once that all happens continue to repeat that process as often as possible and that is the fear brainwashing acronym focus emotional involvement agitation and repetition very cool and you uh tack a udo loop onto it and that's your repeat right that's it see how it's reacting adjust and then start over the whole sequence and okay i'm gonna put this up there's obviously an inside joke here i'm guessing you know charlie o'malley but um one last question i slipped up earlier when i steered my long yellow car into a tree the emergency crew had to peel me out of my seat so chase name a fruit this is a mentalism trick to have someone say banana when we say long yellow the peel and uh it's it's a it's a good one it's a classic it's the name of fruit so i would say banana at that point would you okay sorry charlie you're wrong you didn't say orange right oh chase this is fantastic obviously we're not done right what are we going to talk about next time next time i will go into how to have unstoppable discipline in a way that no one has ever or will ever tell you how to do it and i will give you my step-by-step program and i'll even put a download for your comments or your video description section whatever that is that everybody can download that i give out to my private clients dude that's awesome thank you so much now folks if you like this kind of content and you like chase and you like mark mark's coming back on december the 3rd as a matter of fact with simon lancaster so that's going to be amazing if you like the behavior panel there's a ton of it on the channel please if you like this kind of thing subscribe it really does help a lot and helps the channel get discovered and encourages chase to keep coming back so chase thank you so much man you bet thanks eric
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