TWL #8: Immortality Through Quantum Suicide

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didn't Schrodinger put forward the cat thought experiment to showcase the inherent problems of looking at stuff that happens at the quantum level and comparing it with, er, stuff that happens to bigger stuff?

following that logic saying that each time I 'decide' whether to jump of a cliff or not a parallel universe is created just seems.. weird. what the hell is a 'decision' at the quantum level? if everything that exists at that level creates a parallel universe every single moment, speaking about 'suicide' is meaningless because 'life' is meaningless at that level.

or something.

Anyhow it looks like he has some fun videos at his channel, thanks

👍︎︎ 26 👤︎︎ u/Dolichol 📅︎︎ May 17 2016 đź—«︎ replies

The Heisenberg uncertainty principle is NOT distortion caused by measurement. It's a fundamental property of a wave function.

Take the example of a hydrogen atom, and ask what the position of the electron is. The problem is that properties like position are properties of particles. It doesn't make sense to ask what the position is unless there is a particle at that position. But the electron is not a particle. The question of what an electron really is may entertain philosophers, but for our purposes it's an excitation in a quantum field and as such doesn't have a position. If you interact with the electron, e.g. by firing another particle at it, you will find that the interaction between the particle and electron happens at a well defined position. We tend to think of that as the position of the electron, but really it isn't: it's the position of the interaction.

The uncertainty principle applies because it's not possible for an interaction, like our example of a colliding particle, to simultaneous measure the position and momentum exactly. So you're sort of correct when you say it's an observational limit, but it's a fundamental one.

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👍︎︎ 10 👤︎︎ u/lifuh 📅︎︎ May 17 2016 đź—«︎ replies

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👍︎︎ 32 👤︎︎ u/WendoverProductions 📅︎︎ May 17 2016 đź—«︎ replies

Wouldn't the decision to enter the randomized bomb room in the first place cause another quantum split, making all room outcomes moot?

👍︎︎ 9 👤︎︎ u/r3ckon3r 📅︎︎ May 17 2016 đź—«︎ replies

One of the shorts in Alan Wake mentioned this. Pretty cool!

👍︎︎ 4 👤︎︎ u/balrogsamson 📅︎︎ May 17 2016 đź—«︎ replies

That summary on quantum mechanics was really good for 30 seconds.

👍︎︎ 9 👤︎︎ u/JacksonS918 📅︎︎ May 17 2016 đź—«︎ replies

What I don't understand is the following: I do get that the splitting is possible, but why would you be immortal? Just like jumping of the cliff, this could mean that the current you actually is in the room where the bomb explodes, and you die. In another universe, that is not essentially you, because you are dead, you are still in the box, and so on. So every press of the button there are two 'yous', so why would your concioussness be transfered to one or the other ?

👍︎︎ 3 👤︎︎ u/tadvuyst 📅︎︎ May 17 2016 đź—«︎ replies

Interesting theory. This assumes that there is true "random". Are there "decisions" in life at all? We are only programs acting in our environments, would we ever really make a decision to jump or not.

Yes or no, it doesn't really matter, the course of action is still the same. If you want to believe you're immortal, so be it. We're all immortal in the sense that our experience of living will never end, because when it does, we won't know it. But, I'm still looking both ways when I cross the road.

👍︎︎ 2 👤︎︎ u/dfkjeiul 📅︎︎ May 17 2016 đź—«︎ replies

Ok, this is nice in theory, but how do I get to stay in the universe where I never blow up? Because in practice every three seconds there will be a 50% chance that I will die.

I get it, every three seconds the world splits into two. In one I experience a continuous reality where I get to live, and the other I experience a continuous reality where I die. However, the me that existed before only gets to experience one of these outcomes and in 50% of them it will be the one in which I die.

Also, what about conservation of energy? Where does the energy come from to instantaneously create an entire universe full of matter that does not interact with our own universe as far as we can tell.

I think the many worlds interpretation is really interesting, but if it is to be taken seriously there are some serious philosophical dilemmas that need to be addressed. Consider for example that no matter how we build the experiment the proton is still interacting with the rest of the universe and can not truly exhibit quantum behaviour independent of those interactions.

👍︎︎ 2 👤︎︎ u/psysicist 📅︎︎ May 18 2016 đź—«︎ replies
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So, there’s this fantastic Wikipedia list called Wikipedia:Unusual Articles. It’s filled with unusual, unexpected, and unbelievable subjects. Every other week I click on a new link, and teach you a little bit more about our amazing world. Do you want to live forever? Well, if Wolverine or Deadpool taught you anything, you don’t, but there is a theory on how you can. It’s gonna need a bit of explanation so if you’re like this guy and don’t enjoy long-winded answers, I suggest you turn off the video now. Quantum Mechanics. They’re complicated. What we’re going to talk about today is only a theory because it’s practically impossible to test. One of the bases of quantum mechanics is Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle. Heisenberg says that, in quantum mechanics, “the more precisely the position is determined, the less precisely the momentum is known in this instant, and vice versa.” Let me explain. Imagine you’re a blind man. In order to tell how far away an object is, you’ve developed a system in which you throw a tennis ball at the object, let say it’s a larger medicine ball. If your tennis ball bounces back in a short amount of time, you know that the medicine ball is close, if it bounces back in a longer amount of time, the medicine ball is farther. The problem is, however, that through observing where the medicine ball is, you’ve moved it and it’s therefore no longer in the position in which you observed it. In the subatomic world, it’s essentially impossible to observe an object without affecting it, so all quantum theories must be based on and proven by thought experiments. Alright, that was my best attempt at summarizing a concept that you can study for years in 30 seconds. If you want to learn more, you can click here for a Veritasium video about the subject. The first theory in our long-winded explanation is the Many-Worlds theory. Let’s say you’re standing on top of a cliff. You’re making the decision on whether or not to jump. According to the many-worlds theory, at the very moment that your decision is made, the universe splits into two—one copy being the timeline in which you jump off the cliff, the other being the one where you walk away. Of course, the you that jumped off the cliff doesn’t know that the universe split into two and in your reality, life just continues on as normal while simultaneously in a different universe, a copy of you continues his life following his decision to not jump from the cliff. The many worlds theory says that every single time a decision is made by anyone or anything, the universe splits and and your self inhabits only one of nearly infinite different universes. Now to quantum suicide. In this thought experiment, you, the experimenter, are standing in a box with a nuclear bomb that, if exploded, will immediately and unconditionally kill you. Hooked up to the bomb is a trigger that measures the spin value of a proton every three seconds. If the proton spins one way, there’s just a click sound, the other way, the bomb explodes. Statistically, the proton should have a 50% of spinning one way or another so the chance of the bomb going off or not is truly random. Three, two, one, (click), three, two, one, (click), three, two, one, (click). At this point, there’s only a 12.5% that the bomb not going off was random, we’ll keep going, three, two, one, (click), three, two, one, (click). If we fast forward 300 seconds, after the proton has been measured 100 times, there’s only a eight hundred-octillionth of a percent (0.00000000000000000000000000008%) chance that your survival is random. We can now conclude beyond a reasonable doubt that you are immortal. What happened is that every time the proton was measured, every time the bomb could have gone off, the universe split into two, one being the scenario in which you die, the other being the one in which you live. But why didn’t you go to the universe where the bomb went off, why didn’t you go to the one where you died? Well it’s quite simple. The version of you who died cannot know that he died, only the version of you who lived can know that you lived. The next time the bomb went off, the same situation occurred. Only the living version of you continues on in consciousness. On and on this will continue, forever, because the version of you who lives can continue to realize he is living. You can’t die because only your living self will keep consciousness and existence. This, of course, brings up a lot of existential questions. Will the version of yourself who lives be the same person? Are the people around you in the new universe the same people? Shouldn’t everyone be immortal from any sort of death in some universe? What does it mean to be a person if there are so many versions of you? There are certainly flaws to this theory and there are certainly unanswerable questions. Should you go off and try quantum suicide in order to prove your own immortality? Well, I’d suggest not. This whole theory is based on the many-worlds interpretation of quantum mechanics which is only the second or third most popular interpretation. The Copenhagen theory, which you know from Schrödinger's cat, is the leading interpretation of quantum mechanics and would lead to you being properly, and unconditionally dead. Thank you for watching. Make sure to click subscribe here if you enjoyed this video. You can check out my video from last week on what makes flying so expensive here. Please also follow me on twitter @WendoverPro. A link is in the description.
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Length: 5min 1sec (301 seconds)
Published: Tue May 17 2016
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