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brethren of the past those be in the deceased prophets of old and certainly all the apostles that came along afterwards we thank God for them and for the word that they spoke we certainly give due respect always to our leader pastor Jennings want you always to remember him in prayer due respect is also due to all the many many ministers that are here and there's many missing but we thank God for them nonetheless as you all know we're here for no other reason but to hear the Word of God and it's the most important thing in our lives and we do want to make sure that we gather it to ourselves keep in mind that the purpose of church saints of God and listeners and viewers is for the salvation of our souls and to get ourselves ready to meet God is that right this life is a very temporary life the life to come after this one will last much much longer so behooves us to get ourselves ready by obeying the Word of God as is customary we're going to actually call on our few of our brethren that we don't hear from too often the traveled we ask for your patience concerning that first of all there is a brother I do believe from Pennsylvania or maybe from New York I'm 100% sure Minister Muhammad if he's here Minister Muhammad [Applause] Minister Farrakhan I believe beg your pardon [Applause] breeding brothers and sisters it's an honor and a pleasure to be here today to look upon the face of the saints once again when I look on the face of the mothers I think about my mother what she's just to tell me about Jesus Christ was God and at that time I was in the Nation of Islam and I didn't believe that I only thought Jesus was a prophet but look how God had look wait wat hip or brought me from look at me now I wish my mother was living now that I could tell her mom you was right Jesus Christ is God and I'm gonna serve him with all my heart all my mind and with all my soul not only he's God but he's one God one faith and one baptism in the name of Jesus Christ Thank You brothers and sisters for honor me to listen to these four words may God be with you van Gogh Minister Farrakhan are always very grateful for him continue to pray for him and for others my god there may be living in a location where he's from another Minister that has been with us for some time and has been working very faithfully up in the Detroit area he's now in Indiana and that's Minister Etheridge [Applause] greetings everyone we greet you in the name of the Lord Jesus we thank God followed his goodness and His mercy we thank him for the prophets and the apostles that have gone on before and certainly to Pastor Jennings our present-day leader and apostle we thank God for him with thankful Saints to be in the house of God to hear the word of the Lord I thank the Lord that we're living in a day now where we can truly say we have heard the preached Word of God you have a preacher in your midst and we ought to thank the Lord for that men like this you can count them on one hand and still have fingers to spare when you meet a man like this that stands up for the name of Jesus Christ and the Word of God the Lord is giving now in the world the opportunity to hear the true gospel of Jesus Christ that truly saves men from their sins tells a man no you're not alright you need to repent of your sins and be baptized in water in the name of Jesus Christ and receive the gift of the Holy Ghost the real Holy Ghost the Holy Ghost that causes people to be mindful of the Word of God the Holy Ghost that causes people to be faithful to the church the real Holy Ghost and so we ask that you continue to pray for the work in ministry that's going on in Detroit Michigan because it's not my right to be in the pulpit in Detroit or any Wales it is a privilege for me to be there and I always get up before God's people with that mindset that is not my right it is a privilege for me to be there and teaching God's people in his stead in his stead so saints of God pray for the work in Detroit that the Lord continue to do his work there with us and with the Saints there who are laboring faithfully in the Word of God we ask that you pray for us much because we need the sincere prayers of the people of the Lord would you continue to keep us in prayer and may the Lord richly bless you is our prayer peace be unto you all right thank y'all for Minister Etheridge working very faithfully up in the Detroit area the work is growing tremendously there so as always though we asked for your prayers concerning that we're going to turn our attention to somebody that you do or you are familiar with and we have not heard from in a while the minister from New Jersey pastor Taylor greetings everyone this is an honor and privilege to be here today thank God for the conference started on Thursday night Friday night last night and now we're here today it's good to be here we thank God for His mercy toward us we could have been cut off and going on into eternal judgment we thank God for His mercy praise him without him we can do nothing Amen without him we can't do nothing so I'm grateful and I'm thankful to be here to be with the ministering brothers and to listen to our pastor we had very good medicine meeting and I'm so glad and so happy to see all the different talks and in different subjects and how everything came out good amen my desire is to go all the way with the Lord I thank God for the way of holiness you must be holy amen praise Him we have to be like God because God is a holy God and God want his people to be holy as well so when we thank God for all the ministers all the brothers I met some that I never met before and it was good to listen to them and hear them Amanda talked about different subjects and we're so happy and we were grateful he meant in New Brunswick we still there we ain't going nowhere we're still in New Brunswick we ask for all the prayers of the Saints God will keep us I won't keep my mind stayed on the Lord I don't want to be just a teacher or preacher of the word I want to live we live the word I want to be example glory to God higher you to others pray my strength in the Lord thank God for pastor Taylor from New Brunswick New Jersey keep him in prayer and the Saints up there in that area we're gonna turn our attention to the Caribbean and ask Minister Baker to come up to give us a few words mr. Baker greetings everyone greet everyone in the name of Jesus Christ the one God I thank God for being here thank God for His mercies carrying us here in America to hear the word of God you know it's a great blessing and it's an honor to be in the presence of God and to witness a time like know where God has sent God sent man filled with the Holy Ghost to preach to us in these end times and you know it's an honor to be a part of it and we don't want to just be here and let these words slip as the Word of God has said what you want a gun d'arnot take it into consideration and apply to our lives we don't want to play Church but you want to make sure what we are doing we are feeling and accepting the real thing I want when I come in church and hear the word of God I don't move unless God move me I don't want to fake nothing we don't want to be a hypocrite but when we move the Spirit is moving us glory to God that's what we want because this does for that we are here listening is not a joke you have false churches over there and people are there playing sure but this is not a joke gospel this is the real stuff and to be among all these elders and ministers it's an honor that's how I view it and all of you it has just TV time this is not my five or ten minutes of pain but this is about God we travel all the way from the makin from here why because you want a fellowship as the scripture said not forsaking the Assembly of yourself and most of all to hear the word of God that when we go back to Jamaica we came back we come back even better than when we left to feed the people with the Word of God god bless you in Jesus Christ all right thank all for minister Baker from Kingston Jamaica if you remember the Saints down there in the Caribbean as always many of them can't make these trips but nonetheless we all still one buddy we're gonna call on one other brother there's so many to call on we can't call on everybody but want to hear from brother Phil if he's here don't know if he's still here brother Phil brother Phil all right [Applause] reading brothers sisters we are so grateful I say many times you never know what one is going through remember the sick hole ago said don't be slow to visit the sick so you can make it your business pray for the 6s assure you live God thinks about that I say Lord I think for a true apostle I said a true apostle globally God I'm just thankful this way is the right way ain't no other way God is the way lo the guy I'm just thankful overwhelmed by God with the knowledge that law have given our apostle go over to God saints of God keep it real at all time just as God for strength to keep it real don't jump in a holy suit to call you going to a certain temple got it keep it real the Holy Ghost said they that worship God must watch a male spirit and in truth SS we're pretty much drinking alone [Applause] all right thank God we can't hear from all the brothers but we're certainly grateful for those that we did hear from as always keep all the ministry and brethren in prayer as the work of God grows you can see how bigots get in pray for each of the ministers everywhere we just like to remind everyone again you're listening to and watching the worldwide truth of God radio and television program coming to you from the First Church of our Lord Jesus Christ we're located at 5100 550 105 North fifth Street that's north history at Lindley Avenue in the city of Philadelphia here in Pennsylvania in the United States of America our leader teacher and guy as the apostle pastor Gino Jenny's madam and Monsieur Birju bonsoir bond we adore radio into a television audience or knowledge as you Creed do some elaborated video program international avec la pastor Gino Jennings saludos atherosclerosis or en si at a place panatela radio della televisione and el nombre de su Cristo as s el programa bear dad the deals con el Pastore Gino Jennings also let you remind you that you're actually listening to and witnessing my got another 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know all things we thank him for the prophets in the apostle's we thank him for the way of holiness we thank God for all of you that are here that for all of our ministers and all of our guests our viewers that are watching around the world this is the program that upsets your pastor makes him get a job and go to work and stop robbing your church this is the program that the devil hates because we believe was written in the scriptures not philosophy not ideology we believe was written in the scriptures and when you believe was in the scriptures brother it's enough there to get you straight now we have some guests that are here ladies and gentlemen brothers and sisters we gonna kind of have a rap session this morning this afternoon and tonight and I'm glad for our guests being present we thank God for them this is our youth conference we have thousands of young people in America Canada Africa Europe throughout the Caribbean India Asia that are watching live now but there's a common problem that is taking place not only here in America but abroad and that problem is sin and sin come in many forms and many shapes and one thing about sin it is hard to get rid of trying to do it on your own you would never get it done the only one that can truly combat sin it's God himself [Applause] I'm glad for the visitors being here and how forthcoming that they're willing to be I'm glad for my brother digging Jennens and talking to the brothers and they're willing to share their experiences and thank you brother they willing to share their experiences with our viewing audience and we're gonna give them and they have an international audience today and many of our young people are dealing with what we're going to discuss and that is about drugs now you can leave that open system now our young people boys girls fathers husbands mothers this device have tore down homes have dissolved marriages have killed children have made people destroyed themselves and I'm glad these brothers being here to give us a broader perspective and a realistic look and I don't want them to hold no punches because our preaching is very raw and one thing I say about sin it's very wrong so we gon have a rap session and Garlin border come on and have a seat brother Jamal Bates come on and have a seat yes sir John fuller chérif boy Maurice Williams and brother Salaam Saleem you see here brother Saleem all right we need another microphone another handheld mic please I need one where is it brother is already on a chair all right get that microphone for brother for brother Saleem take that off and unwrap that and give it to the brother are you brothers do you appreciate y'all taking the time out to come give that to the brother please all right we want to give you a background a little background or we let them do it they give us a background about themselves and because they background is a present thing amongst many brothers and sisters and even church people oh yes this is not just something that have been dealt with in the street that have came in the church and the problem with church people they try to shout around it and the preachers try to overlook it but this is reality so my first brother up I'm going to introduce it he can introduce himself as brother Maurice Williams yes how you doing today let's turn all the microphones up please all the volumes up alright brother yes sir good afternoon my name is Maurice Williams I'm from the Mantua suction I was Philadelphia I was born and raised there [Music] just a little bump on myself I went to prison that age 13 for taking someone's life and what played a part and me taking someone's life was the fact that I was high on drugs codeine and marijuana and to this very day I don't just have a dislike for drugs I have disdain for it and many people that I know family members friends every last one that I know that was murdered or all high on drugs I realized one of them one of them was my brother and two of them were my cousins and I was a waiter here today about mr. Jennings did you speak generally about my life and the things that I've gone through and to come from a neighborhood where if anyone know what a mentoring section is Philadelphia is that they know what their neighborhood was like in the 90s and he know what it is like now and one of the biggest things that dominates that area is still drugs and crime and violence that none of us should be used to tolerate yeah although some of us get used to it and we accepted as being normal and I look on this side and see a lot of the elders you know kind of makes me think of my grandmother yeah you know passed away on April 21st 2016 2 years prior to me coming home and she's to always tell me you know about the different things different people to associate with and one of the things that saved my life prior to going to prison was she asked me to feed her dog one day and I didn't like feeding the dog because dogs jump on me you know so she said if you leave my house don't ever come back and right as I was feeding the dog that timeframe kept me from being murdered because I witnessed two of my best friends be shot 13 times and they were 13 and 15 and that was March 30 or 12 1995 and I was later arrested about nine months after that six months that today and to this day I understand that you know you got to play a part and build any community can't just talk about it you know you can't just have gatherings and through you know get people together and just talk about it cuz I'm pretty sure most people weren't here but I even know someone or have a child a mother a brother a father that has born into the system and maybe languish in there to this day or I may have been denarian came back and have a great story to tell I don't know many I was recently released six months ago after doing 23 years and I went to prison I Chi said at age 13 I was closer to 12 and I was to 14 and some people think that is unrealistic for that to take place that a dirty no child can't go to prison Brandon died does something wrong we get there and I'm a firm believer that punishment should be a place for anyone who does something wrong especially something as heinous as taking a life however I don't think be anyone that agree that a child goes to prison for the rest of me life mm-hmm because I was sitting this to die in prison at age 13 and I think it doesn't affect you until it affects you personally when is your child yeah when is your daughter that's when you really care about it but it's something that's distant from you it's like not my problem but eventually you will become your problem then it may be too late to fix the problem so my story you know is is is I don't think unique I think I was the youngest in the state's history to go to prison at that age and I'll be sitting still life without parole sentence and I believe I'm the youngest on the street that came home after being sentenced to a life without parole sentence due to a law that changed in 2012 that the u.s. supreme court deemed to be unconstitutional to sentence people that was 17 and under to die in prison and I just think that if anyone can imagine being a kid and you making the worst mistake of your life and being told to go to your room for the rest of your life it's unfathomable so now that I'm out some of the things that I enjoy doing is this telling my story i no need like to talk to kids that's between 15 and 17 13 you know people that I can reach out to that have a troubled childhood or a mother or father like reaching out this was up Southwest Philadelphia with mr. Jennings and they had wanted me to speak to a 12 year old you know kid that was having some real issues that was on the road to entering the prison system and I took about how my time to sit down you know talk long free of charge no you know because I understand how easy it is to get into an environment and people forget about you right and how hard it is to get out of that environment right you know and one of the things that you know many people that I deal with don't understand is that when you come out of that environment you come out damaged extremely damaged and it takes society to understand that when you go in as a youth and come out with a full beard you look like a man but you still got a lot of kid of you mm-hmm you force to leave that kid to the side cuz you won't get no more mistakes if I make the mistake I can't even call it a mistake mm-hmm if I have to commit that crime that I did bagged it at age of 13 now that definitely is the only option so my hopes is that any youth that are here today anyone that even if you have a good child maybe they have a friend that's not so good well maybe they have you know classmates whatever the case may be where you can hear someone like me speak and tell the story like there was a guy that I met the day or seeing speak today that it may seem unrealistic that what the prison that aged 13 years old and was sitting to die in prison and I remember my judge Eugenie's coracle passed away in 1998 he said to me uh it's a mystery as to hide you got in my courtroom but I have no choice but they sentence you to die in prison this is not something that I want to do but the law says I have to do it and there's a lot of reform that's you know that's taking place now in regards to prison reform but the best perform starts in y'all so don't wait to go to prison and then start reaching out because there's a lot of volunteers and pastors preachers Imam that come to prisons do it now right don't wait to they get there because they may never get out of here to help with what people like yourself may going to help because what happens is a lot of you when they make a mistake they become spiritual because they don't feel good they feel like I that was bad I need to fix this fix it man before it's too late whether they be by death or B ba you've been physically incapacitated for the rest of your life behind the wall right so it's not many people because we was the only nation on earth that sit-ins kids that die in prison Somalia was the only nation and they disband there's about three years ago so we the most civilized as it's constantly narrating you know the most civilized me the most industrialized the most richest nation that you know mankind has ever seen as you know people say news outlets say well for some reason we got the highest drug reads we got the highest drug out of all the industrial nations combined we take more drugs than all the industrial nations combined this is a fact you wonder why I think that a lot of us hate our reality they don't like the condition that they end but it's up to people like myself when these guys up here who know some not everything we know some things that can change some things that it's people you know like people who have faith and people who go out and preach in people who go out and teach you have a job as well if everybody just stuck to themselves and someone just to keep me in my family that's a problem but no doubt you got to take care of your home from first but there's a problem that exists amongst youth and it may be something that's passed down from parents you know my mother died when she was 30 years old from liver disease so I never really got a chance to know what she liked what she disliked mm-hmm you know so in saying that I say that the seat is I was left it's my grandmother's care was already out of 70s there was no way she could keep up with a kid she tried and I never got the opportunity to come and look at my grandmother and say thank you for trying cuz when I left you never knew what love was no kid you just want to go outside and play right no so for any of the youth des here appreciate your parents appreciate your mother appreciate your grandma hold that thought a minute brother Maurice because I want to come back to you because a very important statement you made but I want to actually about in reference to using drug drug as a form of escape and I want all of you to get a chance enlarge on that I want to go to brother Saleem thank you for coming brother I want you to get a chance to introduce yourself as well this is the microphone that was on the stand please let's turn him up come on brother I'm gonna use this all right thank you yes sir thank you for having son thank you for being here Monday my name is Vincent Becton and I was convicted of murder as 16-hour sentence to life in prison meaning that I was supposed to stay in there and never go home again never get to share dinner with my family or take a nice bath or shower longer than 15 minutes when I had to endure and there I'm not making no excuses and nothing like that it's not like I was a goody two-shoes I come from a good mom and pop my father was working for Conrad and the train train at that time and my mother used to work a Whitman's candy factory and they owned a variety store so I came from a good background but I'm gonna say to all you youth out there and choose me ladies I was I was up against the biggest that it is the streets which is always open for anybody they never could they never turn it back there's always open for you to come into the streets but the reality of fact is you really don't know what you gonna encounter you really don't know you might think you know but you really don't know well said you really don't know what you encounter because at that time when I was sentenced I didn't know what I was sentenced to I know I had a lot of time to do but I didn't know that they sentenced me to never come home again to never have dinner with my family or walk the streets or just having a nice cup of cold glass of water with some ice cubes you know something that we take for granted because something that we do every day like I said and when and when I was sentenced one of the hardest things I had to do I never forget I was at Holmesburg prison which they closed down now and they call they they have CFCF which they had in place a homeless bird and my parents came to see me and one of the hardest things I had to do is tell my mother and father excuse me tell my parents that it was nothing that they could have done to stop me from what I was embarking on being disobedient to my parents not listening them not wanting to come home and take my school clothes off and being when the street lights turned dark wanting to be adult so I thought didn't have no clue but anyway my parents came to see me at homes were present I had to tell my mom and pop there's nothing that you could have done or said to save me because you gave me the best you gave me the best that of what a parents can do and I had to explain to them that they was going up against the street they didn't have no clue they was once young my age but they didn't have no clue and like I said you know for a lot of y'all out there you know the streets will they will accept you I don't care what you do I don't care what you say they are always open but you will come to understand that the penitentiary which is jailed State Penitentiary is never closed they will close the school down before they will close the penitentiary down Israel they will close the school down they would close the school down before they closed the penitentiary down at that time when I was incarcerated it costs the taxpayers citizens about thirty four thousand dollars a year to feed and clothe me which I said to myself as I got older wow they could have sent me to college or something I get it but no that's not how I go that's not how I go they saying at that time I was worth nothing and then for 35 years I was incarcerated for 35 years at the age of 16 I was making my graver which I called my being every day proudly not realizing like dad I'm going to die in here and then my mother became sick with breast cancer and of course you know your parents and when your family come visit you in there they want you to think everything is good but everything is not good you know I mean they try to hold up and tell you everything that's good and and they actualize you going but the reality of fact you're not doing well in there you're not doing well in there you try to explaining them as best you can at 16 or 17 years old oh I'm doing all right everything all right but everything's not all right realistically everything is not all right but I will say this you know to all the youth out there them screeches not what you think it is man and unfortunately you don't realize it until you pay the price you know until you pay the price of realizing like wow I'm never going home you know me and him me and Vincent boy God right here me and him was selling for about 14 years together in the box 14 years ago me and them having a door smelling each other yawn feces and all that you know that was my salary we grew up together we was brothers for real we grew up together and at that time we were sentenced to Honiton it's located in central Pennsylvania and in rural central Pennsylvania and where we were sentence that ourselves at that time was read across the screen from a regular family house we can look and see them having dinner see the lieutenant come out and walk his dog and see them watch the car all the things we hope like dad man I wonder what that feel like to watch the car again I wonder what that feel like to walk across the street again we endured that and and dealt with that for the most part but when my mother became sick with breast cancer and our family of course they didn't want to tell me you know because they know I was dealing with enough stuff so eventually she got real sick when he had to tell me and so when she died I was not able to go to the funeral because at that time a life prisoners he can't go to a funeral because they rules and regulations no you can't go you can't go you're too dangerous I'm saying some dangerous is my first crime ever Outland Treiber understand this is the severe crime murder but I'm like they won't even let me go see my mother Barry won't even let me look at her in a coffin I'm like wow so when that passed when she passed you know my father became old and you know your family started getting old you know you start realizing you start seeing nieces and nephews that you only knew through pagers you really didn't know them you know I'm through vision well maybe if they take the time out that comes to you because some family disowned you because they say wow you did that they disowned you not realizing at the end of the day that's all you have is family we're not going to see eye to eye on everything but at the end of the day we don't pick and choose our family our family is all we have and you know I say to myself I said Wow when they changed the law and I was able to be resentenced in front of Judge kafir and screech Jones and when she when they brought me down to court I was like I didn't believe it that was happening that I'm actually going home I'm actually gonna be rich sentence and so when they took brought me down to prison of course I couldn't eat nothing my nerves is bad I was shot because I didn't believe that this was happening and so when I got in front of careful excreta lewis she sends me she said young man you may approach the bench now I'm gonna reset you you know she said I'm gonna send you to 35 years to life and at that time I had 35 years in and my knees buckled and my family started crying in the court and I said to myself why is they doing it they know I'm gonna start crying but it was tears of joy but at the same time it was tears of pain cuz I knew my victim you know it's not like I didn't know him I knew him because like I told you my family or a variety store and I used to come in my store and stuff like that and shop and help you know my family they you know help in the community and I was like wow but anyway I was resentenced and when I was resetting the 35 years the life I said wow I'm actually going home and when I was coming back to greatest for it let's see how greatest for it I didn't believe it I was just sitting there van crying I said wow I'm going home and sit down and have dinner with my family you know having face-to-face talk with our family I'm gonna have dinner I said I'm going to see the frigerator open up again the light turn white a light come on and so them things happen but fast forward I've been out now about 15 months and every every day is a challenge meaning that it's a challenge for me because when I come out when I come out my Lord and I look like I'm actually free I really don't believe it sometimes I said I'm actually free you know and then the purchase of phone and have money in my pocket you know because being across the way you can't money in your pockets that's contraband and they took all our street clothes cuz all of us wore browns something's like wow I got street clothes I could go to the store and buy a piece of cake I could go to the store and get me a mountain Dew soda I could go and get me a Welch's grape soda you know I still didn't believe it I used to get at the camera at the store sometime and get stuck and they'd be like sir I mean like oh oh and dig in my pocket and pull out a file our bill and then a few times I could forget my change because incarcerated everything when you go to store is by a paper that you just fell out and so I few times I forgot mine you know changed the lady or sir call me back sir your change oh oh oh okay and I was like wow but I knew in coming home I need I knew it's gonna be a challenge for me so I went to the halfway house which is down a from Callie Hill and I never forget I used to go to Burger King and just so I can get readjusted seeing dealing with everyday people you know seeing how people say thank you and no thank you and what was what was something to me how it seemed like I don't know everybody but it seemed like people is just so angry understand people been through things in life but I say wow all these people so angry if they only knew you know the things they take for if they only knew but then you know it like I said as time went on and some of the hard adjustment sometimes for me is dealing with my family meaning that no one that they grew up without me and and I grew up without them being around men all day and so you know it's it's a challenging but it's a good challenge I wouldn't trade them for nothing in the world it's a good challenge being around family having dinner you know getting to take a bath you know and I will close with this just day before yesterday I come from work and so me and my supervisor was talking and she was telling me she said Celine you know I bought something off the store so well what did you buy she said I bought these things they call bath bombs like they exploded up and in the bathtub I said for real I said Wow I said I want to get one in him you know I want to see what that feel like so I got on it I got on it where I work out west for like I don't attend Charlie got off at Fatima Creek and went to the underpass and stuff and got off it and walked up their mansion Reapers together matter of fact we took the matter of fact we took the thirty-four and so I got off a fatigue screen and I got off and I'll never forget it was at 1525 walnuts me that's what a store called lush I believe I went in there and when I went in there I was like wow smelling all these different fragrances so I went in there the lady was like man help you sir I said well miss no disrespect I said I want to buy the bad found I think it call it she said okay so she gave me different ones that smell I said I want that one right there she said okay I said yes give me two of them I want two of them so I went home Friday matter of fact yesterday I went home and man I took a bath man that felt so good like wow I was just in the bathtub I just started crying I said dad I'm actually getting the chance to do this and it was just it was this something man but that's all that all I have to say is be thankful man be thankful thank you brother never never take nothing in life for granted never never take nothing in life for granted when you isn't your legs your eyes you have to see never take anything for granted because the blink of an eye things can change a blink of eye just break I just break eyes and these can change but I want to thank you all for having me and hopefully I was able to reach somebody you know just I know I'm not gonna reach everybody but I will say this I'm living proof that dreams do come true dreams do come true and I want to say in closing just be thankful man hug your mother hug your father hug your brother just be to your neighbor man never take nothing for granted nothing and one of the main two major things to me when I went out last week my brother went home he was at work he said well what you gonna do bride say you know what I still got some time before I go to work I'm gonna sweep I'm gonna sweep outside and that was such a good feeling I swept outside and set her on the doorstep and open I had a mountain dew soda once again opening me a mountain Dew soda and just sat down was crying but I want to thank you all and hopefully I get a chance to talk to you all again but don't take nothing for granted man enjoy life while you have it enjoy life why are you having thank you now mr. brothers cherif boy before I get to brother Sharif this is something I want to say to you that are here until the television audience have you noticed that brother Maurice and brother Salim the things that they were saying have you noticed they made reference to the value of common everyday things eating taking a bath a soda things that you take for granted now and I hope our young brothers and sisters that are watching internationally are listening very close because the objective of these brothers being here our young generation need to wake up bad they are being coerced they are being coerced not only in the neighborhood at their end but social media is doing a thorough such a damage to our young brothers and young sisters Saleem made a statement that really stuck out to me when he went inside Burger King and he was wondering why is everybody so angry this has become a mean society what contributes to self hate starts with hating God [Applause] God will teach you how to love self but you can't learn how to love self until you learn how to love him and the understanding of him will give you a understanding and a better appreciation for life what do you mean learn God sometimes we learn God through the characteristics of a good mother or a good father but the common things that the brothers have mentioned so far you know some things may tickle you like those bad things you've mentioned sweeping a sidewalk I'd feel good the sweep a sidewalk basically what they're telling you is the common everyday things a lot of time we understand the value of it too late and what these brothers are trying to enforce in you is to understand and appreciate it now before it's taken away from you all right brother Sherif boy my brother get a chance to introduce himself my name is Sherif boy I went to jail at the age of 16 and my crime was a crime of ugliness you know we took a man's life but I share with you as Saleem there and as the big fella did I had a mother in five all my sisters most of my sisters and brothers was old enough to be my mother and father my mom had me wishes 43 so I was her baby so when Saleem and when other gentlemen speak about the streets they suck us up we didn't know no better we are a society man and no better and we still ain't doing nothing about it you know I cry all the time to myself because I came from a good family and went to a dark side that dark side was a concentration for 36 years you know fortunately I lost my father in 90 I made it to the funeral I lost my mother in 95 I made it to the funeral so I was blessed to see them when they left me but when I speak I speak about education being miss educated not knowing you know and this if the society is going to us today with these phones and things I went to I went to jail illiterate I couldn't read or write my girl my woman my friend is in the back right now and when she wrote me I had to ask somebody to help me read that letter so the struggles of what we've been through and what the youth are facing and going through is still real today so what we have to do what we need to do and what everybody said is love yourself so you can love everyone else see when you love you I'm gonna promise speaking to you brother I got no problem saying I love you ain't got a problem say can I help you but we don't do it enough we don't do it at all sometime so my education like I said I couldn't read right to be 21 years ago my GED and when I got it I felt good and I want I went from far far away I gotta finish it and bacon I got apprenticeship and cooking you know I'm certified by knock me in the food industry I just don't want to do it no more I loved or what I'm going right now talking I love wanting to help to use but they don't want us to do this right now I'm about compassion I wanna help anybody I go downtown every day with tears in my eyes when I see the homeless you know I say to y'all sincerely we got work to do we got work to do we got work to do because if we don't do it my brother's was on drugs my sisters was on drugs you know I'm a smoker some of the stuff that we see that we see the day we never see being away we don't know nothing about that when they send us to that mountain in 1983 when he said hundred said it was a whole different world we were babies 18 years old then no nothing but they made us men they made us understand life they made us be bitter they made us cry they made us laugh I became a my friend didn't know how to read or write I've roughed every sport it was but I was blessed to be free again I was blessed to be here with Salim again I was blessed to be here with all of y'all again and you know what it is it's a blessing and I'm thankful and grateful because life is beautiful you know I'm like you say you get out you walk out the door every day i'ma tell a story like they did currency is something you got to learn about me and a friend of mine went out to get something to eat I brought two pizzas a cheese pizza and a pizza that had some warning but it was in the lady says 675 675 she said yes sir you want something to drink I said no she said waters free I said give me two but when I went to jail Pizza was 57 so after 36 years things changed you know and like being mad that's what happened when I came home I and the prison and the penitentiary when somebody bumpier they break their neck to say excuse me when you get on that L on that sub you get knocked every way with and you know to be honest with you you gonna raise your hands cuz we come from a world right of darkness for real right we come from a world of protecting ourselves and I hate to say it when I speak to the youth but Penitentiary is real right and when I talk to him if it was just a group of men I will count down 1 2 3 1 in the penitentiary 1 2 3 you want to the penitentiary because the numbers and the statistics show you know and it's sad to say when I went to jail it was 7 for the centuries now there's 28 and Counting so that is just let you know that this design is real but it's breakable mm-hmm and we are here showing you this breakable right now there's some things out there that's go along that to help men and women I got to save women because some women it's home to I would love to have all your fear or you know to me but life is beautiful I've got two jobs do I like him no but I appreciate him you know me I got jobs and I got learning about bills we know nothing about bills always away they watched our clothes and make sure was fine but we got bills to pay man we got cars some of us got homes and believe me we enjoy having those things because when we made that big and wished and wished and wished and the Lord that open the doors wants to be here my dreams they came true be proud I love people you never mean I love people and I watch the other really really understand life is precious tomorrow in Palmerston we all know we go to funerals every other week scene right don't we somebody passes away so the word love use it in the right way the youth in this audience love your parents I don't kill your father all drugs I don't give your mom on drugs when you see them hold on because that conversation might be the breaking point you know we are powerful individuals but we don't know our power walk into a suit late you know I mean we don't know who we are into a stew late because one thing we have is the conscious and I can't has been with us since we knew how to say thank you and if you listen to your conscience you will always be fine you know I can go on and on but I just want to thank y'all as those two did and if any questions come about I'm so I am so happy to ask them and I'm a pastor's might think I said thank you after the brothers all of them get a chance to introduce themselves then we get a chance to present some questions to the brothers and don't be afraid to be direct to paint the most realistic of reality that could be painted because one thing that we don't believe in is mythology because life is not a myth life is real all right brother garlic which one is brother garlic yes sir how y'all doing I too was uh certified when I was 16 and went upstate mm-hmm you know but I didn't do as much time as you did instead my dumb ass excuse me excuse me but I come out on parole so I'm in and out in and out then I got into the drug thing you know and I've been an addict for the last 15 years but you know now I'm uh I'm in treatment you know thanks to dr. Jennings and his it's uh will you call a clinic mm-hmm and um you know I'm I'm a member to church also I go to share him Baptist now my mom's Church but um it's really rough because I'm I'd really destroyed myself not just from jail but from these streets also because I'm diabetic now I got high blood pressure you know I could say today I'm clean you know but it uh I too came from a good home my mom went for the post office for 40 years my dad at his own business and you wonder how this happened you know I ran the street with the gang and all this I did everything you know my mother's told me not to do I did I just did everything wrong and but I'm happy to be here with y'all today y'all happy to be clean today it like the brother said it's a pleasure to be our head the young ones I don't know I started with smoking weed now they call it loud and all this stuff but this is how I started the next thing you know I'm snorting dope I'm snorting coke you know and this this just happened overnight you know I mean but when I say overnight I mean it I'm look back it's 15 years now I've been messing around you know but you get tired you get tired and I am I'm at that point now and that's you know that's why I'm here today I'm gonna keep it short and sweet yes so it's a better life yes glad to have you for the girl but it's a mall babe how y'all doing today small beats like these fellas I spent time in jail 15 years of my life has but just been erased from me it's something I could never get back when I was young I was raised with a nice mother and father it's something that you don't see today you know it's not enough structure but these used today it's not a household with with mother and father's there you know my family it was a good family so I thought you know I was raised in the drug game with my family it was something that we had to do you know and from there my role models became drug dealers the people that I despise now you know I mean I I had to learn how to cut heroin back heroin that was one of my if we didn't do it we was punished you know so I was forced by my family to do this you know he was punished by your real estate if you didn't learn how to cut arawa yeah there was a punishment it won't cut it wrong we would get weapons from the oldest to the youngest was this my mother or father mother my father father you know all right me but my mother allowed it but as I grew older I see why she allowed it because she was getting abused okay she says she would get hit mm-hmm so you know she did what she could do until she got us out of that last night I watched Moses and he was talking about bondage you know it being bondage into a family where you've been abused so my mom got the strength just break from that bondage you know we did we move down Southwest blues from South Philly to the southwest where's I see more drug dealers now the jbm growing up in that area so these were idolized you know I kind of left the home structure and went to the streets for love you know thick can receive love from the streets I mean they gave me artificial love right you know it wasn't a home structure love you know I thought the streets was my friends they were the people that I was around was my friends they was only coming to kill to destroy any dreams that I had of being a real man you know I'm saying it's uh I got sentenced at 15 I went upstate 15 years went away like that I come home family members is gone friends is gone and I look on the streets today and I overheard a guy saying they're breeding animals the people are animals out here now they killing each other at a fast rate I go around the corner in three murders within one week you know I see this every day you know like what can I do to uh pick my two cents to help this community you know I'm saying to strive for better what can I say to these people I mean dr. Jenna's asked me come speak so I ran through it you know try to change my life yeah I struggle sometimes as they say the flesh is weak my friends get weak every day you know but it's up to me to keep striving on to see if a greater picture you know so I mean like I'm new to this I just want to learn and I'm willing to learn and I'm saying so I don't go back to them places that I went up top in the mountains because the congregate we couldn't encounter again we'll get broken up or we'll go to the hole for congregate five more in a room offering prayer so when you say that you you will be sent to the hole if it's just five or more describe the hole no commissary no food just sitting in the room come out you come out take a shower once a day probably if you get the chance to get to your door quick enough yes it a certain length of time that they will put you in home depends whatever these sentence they many can do six months they do a year I know people have been in hold for five six years and the hold is not like a regular prison cell listen no it's not it's designed to break you is it consider smaller than the prison cell it could be same size as the prison cell but it is designed not to have no comforts no TV no nothing no communicating no Mel no phone calls no nothing no dialogue nothing you did with your Bible your Koran and all you got is prayer all you can do is pray pray to bring me from this bondage that I'm in you know some people do come out some people don't you know I mean every day is a learning lesson yes you know I would never forget now because I'm still on parole to a 2028 when I got this guy coming to my house every month the ticket yarn you know something I got to relive every day that I'm still in the grass for this like my brother said Pennsylvania has the most prisons in the United States the most a building prisons every day for us for us people and just you know I mean only we can break that bondage uh all right doing something different exactly no we got to speak up talk to one another love one another you know if I don't tell my brother I loved him today yeah I'm saying he might not be here tomorrow you know I mean hey funeral pile is a big business right now mm-hmm you know I thank God every day that I'm lying to the ground right now you know but a John fuller good evening everyone for those who speak Spanish como esta internationally if you Jewish alone if you're Chinese boo chachi and if you from the streets just tuning him for the first time what's up so my name is John doc fuller I'm originally from central New Jersey grew up in a dysfunctional however too bad a two-parent household my father was a alcoholic my mother suffered from schizophrenia which ran in my family so before I start I'd like to offer an apology from my generation to the younger generation and for any of the youth here who are 33 34 and under my generation had a profound impact on your generation and I'll explain that in a minute the generation and men sitting in the audience who are 65 and older they rarely considered putting drugs into the hands of our youth my generation did the opposite the women from my generation did things which were appalling morally economically spiritually and when my generation failed your generation we left you fatherless we were dead some addicted to drugs or in jail which left one heck of a burden on the women in our communities it was a situation where our communities became destitute and young women it is not uncommon for those who are 32 and under to call their mom or grandmother mom and it's something that is systemic and it's something that I'm proud that to have the privilege of sitting here and as former inmates we feel like Vietnam veterans who run into one another every couple of years we know the struggle that we've been through we understand the dynamics of change and so I'm not here to give a motivational speech I'm more about transformation and the importance of transformation and perhaps some of the youth by the time we're done we'll get a better understanding of what it takes personally I've I have three felonies in three different states I hustled in Arizona hustled in Los Angeles I hustled in Huntsville Alabama I hustled in New York I hustled in Virginia hustling Cincinnati I hustled in Kentucky right and it's nothing to be proud of but the dynamics are all the same I come from a small town and in the town and I grew up and it was a multicultural town so white police officers black police officers they would get out of the car throw football with us the whole nine yards and so I don't know how I graduated high school to this day I didn't know how bad I was until the feds locked me up and I was sentenced to ten years in prison when the feds did a background investigation they did everything including pulling my high school transcripts up and at that time I found out that I was number 108 out of 138 that graduated in my class and I recently looked at my report cards from the time I was in fifth grade all the way up to a senior in high school and by today's standards I could not pass the GED I had d-minor I shouldn't I should have filed a lawsuit against the school there's nowhere should've graduated but somehow college was easier than high school and maybe it was because of the way that teachers taught or the professors taught so I became a walk on a play basketball for one year Middlesex County College and my world was shook at my first instance of police brutality I was with a couple of guys by Rutgers University one of them one of my buddies got into the fight and police officers came and they beat us something fierce they beat us something fierce and when they would done beating us on the street they put us in the back of a police car and they said let's get these inwards down at the creek and they put four of us in the back of a police car and three minutes later all you could hear was the bushes alongside at a police car and we just knew it was over then they hear two police officers say let's back up let's get him at the station let's get him at the police it so they backed the car out got us at the police station smashed our heads against the wall tried to put a gun in my buddy's hand to give them a reason to shoot now I didn't know anything about Joanne Chesimard at the time or Assata Shakur and this was the same Police Department out of New Brunswick that was doing this to me and my friends somehow we survived but I took a life of crime after that began hustling counterfeit money drugs forgery anything you could name I was into it to fast forward to my time in prison I made it rough I behaved my way out of Prisons where they did not even want me in prisons I worked my way from a low to a medium and in a low security prison in the federal system you can have from 1 to 20 years once you go to a medium you could have from I don't know five to 150 years and then it's the penitentiary from there so I behaved my way to a pension Virginia Petersburg Virginia from there made it to Lewisburg Pennsylvania and then to Atlanta penitentiary in Atlanta penitentiary I learned to speak a little Spanish because I was in the hole with someone from Cuba who had been in the hole for ten years and he had come over on the Mariel boatlift and that's when Fidel Castro had released all his prisoners and sent them to Miami and so I was around hardcore criminals and shipped to Kentucky Oklahoma Loretto Pennsylvania and it got to a point where I had to really reflect and start doing meditation or my behaviors what could I do to change my circumstances and so I was very fortunate to get in contact with a few scholars and like dr. David Dorsey who was at Clark Atlanta University and I'm not sure how familiar you guys are with dr. Nayak bar who's a clinical psychologist out of Florida and it was the importance of transformation and to the young ones I'll say that that transformation is something that you cannot fake and the analogy that he gives is that of a caterpillar which comes into the world as a hairy disgusting slimy insect which is vulnerable to birds the feet of people who walk by they're vulnerable to other insects and when you look at us as human beings we either enter the world as males or females helpless vulnerable wanting nothing but milk from our mothers security and protection right and so as you transform from a boy from a male or a female to a boy what are you feeding on a caterpillar eats on the finest of vegetation the finest of leaves knowing that his destiny will one day become a butter fly but what as individuals are we feeding on is it social media is it live reality television which does nothing to stunt your growth nothing to enhance your growth as an individual is it basketball wives hip-hop Atlanta nothing that stimulates you intellectually morally to become about a man or woman and the difference between a caterpillar and a human being is that if a caterpillar does not eat it will die a slimy hairy disgusting creature but a man can pretend to be a man but he's still a boy so he plays boyish games he gets an apartment he pretends he's on his own and he's a spiritual man he pretends like he's a hard-working man but he's unable to commit to a woman because that's part of being a boy there's no commitment when things get rough and there's no spirituality in your house the relationship is over I'll just go through the trapdoor and break up the relationship and that's the way society is gearing everything and you notice how in today's culture when it was crack it was considered something devastating in the communities we wanted to be like that but now it's a opioid crisis and african-americans really aren't the consumers of all of the opioids right so what do they call it now oh it's a health crisis right you notice how they they play with the little words when it affects certain cultures so as individuals one of the most important things we could ever do and these brothers up here have said it listening to your conscious or your inner voice what is that inner voice let's talk about it for three minutes before we open up for for questions raise your hand if you know what your mother or your father looks like just by a show of hands even if they died fifty years ago by a show of hands raise your hand if you know what your mother or father looks like one more question raise your hand if you know you can say I love you and they said I love you back if you can remember what their voice is from your mother or father or person who raised it how is it that you can hear and no sound has been transmitted sound travels through vibration between 700 and over a thousand miles an hour depending on whether you're at sea level or underwater but your mouth did not move your eyes can see your mother they can see your father whenever your neighbor and I'll pet to this generation here thank you I love you for doing the right thing for all of us here because we did not carry on the tradition so thank you women thank you how is it that we can see our past if we got in trouble and our mother said wait till your father comes home we imagined what would happen that's right it's funny we know what our father would say and with the picture him doing it these eyes can see to pass these eyes can't see the future yet you can see your past and see your future we live in what's called 3d back-forth up down right left right that's our physical reality plus time time enables us to move that's how we get through day but we would never taught about in and out in and out that voice that voice when you know you're doing something wrong if your pastor your grandmother your brother your father your uncle told you don't do that you're gonna get in trouble when we ignore that voice we become successful susceptible to prison police beatings getting set up by the police and unfortunately when you're young you ignore that voice and when someone older acts you what to do it or tell you what you should do you rather be killed by a kiss than save by some counsel well said well said I was released from prison in 2002 and I didn't have a lot of problems finding a job I've been in employed since then but I wanted to to change the dynamics and hopefully create an avenue for other men when they came home and one day one of my clients at the gym told me that his nephew was going to go into prison in several weeks and his brother would like to talk to me so I went over there and they had a lot of questions about what prison would be like now if you african-american it's almost the rites of passage unfortunately because your uncle's brother friends in the neighborhood have all gone to prison so we kind of know what what to expect before maybe the Italians and wealthy Jewish people they have no idea so I started a industry actually called prison consulting where I prepare high-profile clients for prison I teach them what it will be like and two years ago I started training criminal defense attorneys who have clients that are going to prison for the very first time now I work alone but it's something that anyone with prison experience can do I've been featured on CNN Entertainment Tonight Hollywood access Fox News in the sky is the limit it's just a matter of listening to that inner voice continuing to transform yourselves as we all have the ability to do with that thank you so much for allowing us men here and an opportunity to speak and get to know us a little better and we we absolutely do love you and from the bottom of our hearts hope that you continue to cherish your freedom and not take the steps that we took because it's not a hard one it's not an easy step to take once you've stepped into that realm of prison and enter back into society I noticed some of the statements that you brothers made that she came from out of some good homes good parenting and everything and the reason why I mentioned that because it debunks have you heard for years the reason why the prisons are so full because they didn't have no good parenting that is not true in all cases and as some of the brothers mentioned they had good parents but they chose not to listen to be hard had to be rebellious and then you had some that they received bad influence from their parents can you imagine such brother brother Maurice what is it that attracted you to the drug world like yourself is like a rite of passage that was normal like everyone was you pressured by any pears or anything that's normal from back like like when I went to prison in 1995 you know it's kind of cliche is that you're proud of your environment right and you know you kind of you know some people would say well one thing about a kid they can't what they don't have the ability to extricate themselves you was 13 at the time I've owned that mistake yeah correct yes Wow as an adult you can move as you want yes as a kid you can't move unless your parents like you know so even if you had the mindset that I want better it's nothing you can do you have to suffer mm-hmm until you reach a age where you can make your own decisions because even if you reach the age of 16 17 which I didn't on the street I was reached all of them years in prison I had no clue I thought smoking we doing codeine was normal right and as now all the people in our neighborhood least always say well you're young you take the gun because you get caught you get less time mm-hmm far from the truth I hope y'all got that repeat like the older people and the neighborhoods you know that they knew if they got caught they would do a bail time right the juveniles they looked at as if you go to a juvenile system or you just get a slap on the wrist mm-hmm I wanted to get in a life citizen answer your question let me interject just a minute and your experience have you noticed a difference in sentencing in the system versus the sentence that is given people of color versus other ethnic groups that may do the exact same crime yeah um we had a guy Jordan Brown he he committed two murders killed his father's wife and killed the newborn baby that that was her side the mother he's in college right now in Ohio and he done seven years Wow and it went through the court system and I followed that case for years and only then he did was ban him from Pennsylvania was going back to the region where he committed this crime and I think that because you know like a lot of people always speak about the Clinton administration as if you know they was the best for people that look like me where was their crime bill in 1994 that put people like me in prison at my age because they deemed us to be super predators this was the terminology that they use for my generation that is a generation coming up in the 80s and 90s from that crack era that was that generation waiting Bill Clinton they put out that law correct right okay and that crime bill played a part in sentencing people 12 13 years old to prison and it wasn't until Hillary Clinton ran for president when he apologized and said I'm sorry for calling them super predators right because it never came to fruition completely but it was some truth to what she was saying and just how she said it and doing certain classes of people to be these evil people who come from evil backgrounds that needed to be placed in prison for the rest of their life and when you come from you know what I call up broken family where like I said like my mother passed away when I was nine right never got a chance to nor father he could be sitting right next to me wouldn't even know so who raises you streets alliteration this is why you know I understand the importance of both parents yes and I understand the importance of being grateful to both parents mm-hmm because you miss what you never had I mean here you know people talk like I had both parents I had a mother had a father right because most they would tell you what's right and what's wrong you got something like he said they will help you commit the crime itself mm-hmm and in my case going to prison at that age I came into the hole I've done four straight years in a hole for Street and oh when you put a plate first place you know when I was first placed I was 14 I was 14 and those four years was straight through I did it a few times like I've done two years done like a year then I had done for three years describe to us what do you experience psychologically what does it do to you mentally and emotionally being in a hole when I came out the hole actually I met him he was refereeing games I liked it to work out and stuff like that and when you're inside of a hole you know like an older gel like these guys you know when they went to prison some of the prisons that I went to wasn't even built yet so you will suffer sleep deprivation because you sit in a hole for years and it's and it's unfortunate you start the act like an animal I never reached that point where you got guys that would literally throw feces at you if they seen you walking out in the yard and you know they do things that you look like that's not human you know you get a lack of sunlight that would you come out your eyes gotta adapt the sunlight again you go in a hole you may come out 50 pounds like you have guards I don't like you they would spit in your food and show it to you and what you won't do you know there's times where you know like I was telling him you know I have things on my back right now that I can show you where I was beat so bad I couldn't walk for a week you know and this was done by guards without my guards it's called the n-word constantly being kicked in tennis day I still have to go through physical therapy for them being so and when you've gone into a system where predominantly the people that oversee you is not your color yeah I met a gar one time he said he never saw a black person so he worked in a prison so the job is to never get there to experience that in the first place right because once you there you become a product of that and some and you know there's some guys that one of his friends Dave Henry I never wish prison or no one but I think he's probably one of the most dangerous people in the state of Pennsylvania that's and I had met him in the RT to which they called restrict the housing unit which we call a hole and he had a lot of good to help but he'd been in a hole since 1999 23 years he's been in a hole we've been in there so long when they feed you in the hole is it on the same level as if when everyone come together no no I mean and that's done intentionally as a preventative to keep you from so basically what are you what are they giving you to eat they may give you the same thing or to me put you on a restriction which was called a fool oath for when you put like like the guy just spoke about Dave here they gave him a fool over the head maggots in it and they do this and they do us deliver it and know it intentionally you know and I'm not gonna say it happens all the time but it happens yeah and there's no oversight who's overseeing a prison because when you imprison most people was the reason I'm not gonna say there's a reason but one of the reasons when you get there is because you issues in the first place so if someone constantly told you to do this and do this and do that they put their hands up and say you know what you on your own so when you get there who you calling they say I had maggots in my food will you call him to say I got beat so severely I couldn't walk for a week who you calling to inform someone that there's a guy that's my neighbor in a hole they haven't fed him for two weeks I've seen it happen to a guy didn't feed him for two straight weeks mm-hmm because he assaulted a garble but they won't say but the guard did to him first right they make it just look like he's just a savage lock him down and you put your hands on a guard you're not eating period you're not even so being in that environment like being in at home you you can become broken you can really not like being around people like literally like you know how they said you're happy like I'm a very paranoid person mm-hmm I look and turn a lot like when I came in and the guy patted me down almost passed out cuz it's not like I'm not you know I don't want to get used to that again right right every time I got a walkie you know and when you mention that it gives you an idea what's the scythe you have become because normally you can go into church right you would never have to expect to have some but now things have gotten so bad until you got a pat people down in church you got to have a metal detector in church you never have to have that in church you never even had had a metal detector in school for goodness sake but the way Society has become their anger the hatred they evil towards each other it's it's it's it's and I commend you brothers if you're able to reach one I commend you brother I want to hold that thought and I want to ask brother Salaam the same question I don't know whether you ever been in the hole or not but you did 36 years correct yes well you have a place in hold yes psychologically and emotionally what did it do to you well it's a lonely place and I mean I did a lot of soul-searching in the hole because I was around some stronger people mm-hmm that was giving me inspiration words because when you place in the hole you isolate it I always when you first went when I first went to role I was like 17 Wow how long were you there I was in the hole for the first time for five months uh-huh five months I was in the hole and doing them five months you know I was like a sad was around some strong people who kind of you know kept my spirits out because you become lonely and you hear people being beat you hear people not getting a trace you hear people on medication you know and then it comes psychological it'll wear off on you if you not careful enough if you're not mindful enough it'll wear off on you before you know it you might start acting like that same person call that dog brother Sherif same question yup it was placed in the hole several times and again you did 36 years yes psychologically emotionally described again being in there and not know one thing I will share this all itself I couldn't read or write mmm so being in a hole you're here in the fusion was talking on everything and I tried to write a letter and when I hollowed out the door this is when I knew I had strong around me this is when I knew I said man how you spelled dad it's my spell it for me mm-hmm then the next one how you spell it mm-hmm some ice pellets of me so you know I was going through that for bees and bees and bees and how old were you when he was pledged to 18 Wow you know and I can't pill it's even rough right now but with the campaign in the 80s 83 you know I mean when you disrespect the guard I told the guard I was gonna knock him out he was like yeah how you gonna do a side shoulder back it's like are five minutes later they come to the cell all those I was I thought they was taller than this building why ready to meet gang was so easy step out mr. Heyman cuff me first thing he did was smash my head to the wall and he called the whole Mohawk kicked me right in there they put me in a place where what number one no wonders and none so nighttime in the mouse it was cold and no windows so there's dark 24/7 well you got floor light with ok windows up there like that they was all broken out so ok a little sheet that they gave me you know and the bugs that wasn't miss oh it was like it was very ugly and again you know a few days he didn't feed but when the smoke cleared you know I went through him a few more times but you know strength you know we're all meal to a lot of things and we had to he spoke about an individual Dave Henry he seen him on a different side than I did guys I wasn't population with this man and he yeah he was a real real good man but what triggered him to turn to the other side only God knows but all I know is the good you know and ok what are you going through now that's just 120 we had Danny dunk will he win the whole in 1970 I don't know where he at now but I know he's still in prison Jojo balls he got every bit of 40 years in a hole as we speak 40 years as we speak today these individuals are still in the hole so you know what kind of mentality they got you know they smile at you but you don't really know what is Danny Duncan was a white guy that's the first guy I've ever seen prepared we you say he prepare feces the thoughts of Milan just throwing somebody what is the worst case that interview have ever witnessed seeing prison inmates when they come out the hole what was the worst case that interview would remember well I got one of Huntington a guy got the whole agar humming agar went through something soon as he got that hole he called this family love though the next day he went down a hole went down to Jim and got a crowbar and took it to that guard man and that's why you know like well they're all going bid me but all weights and stuff that if they still got weights in there they stuck they put well here but he looked agar something nice you know but again when you speak about Huntington and they're early I can't speak about the 70s I've know what's worth but in the 80s when we got there we were still it were soon as we got off the bus we waited for y'all is ain't ain't waited for it no more you know I mean right from the door they put us in a lovely situation brother Garland you ever spend time in the hole psychologically emotionally what would you say the effects was picking your microphone brush sorry Samir it was like anything else you get used to it you know what I mean you allowed yourself to adapt yeah I mean you had another choice okay no we feel old mail write letters like the professor along with you info I did seven months no it was but you get used to it your dad your dad you got to my brother Jamal yes sir what about yourself four months in the hole now you say yeah did that you know you get used to live in a certain way while you're in prison then we go to hold all that strip from you your dignity you didn't feel like you were like mentally or emotionally just it done something to you I was getting to that point because talking to some of the brothers and whatnot in a hole you you got to yell will send a kite okay do your next neighbor or whatever okay so yeah really change yourself brother follow about yourself yes I behaved my way into holes all over the country they with certain people who they may deem a political prisoner someone who they can't control okay they did what they call diesel therapy so I didn't even know what state I was in sometimes unless cars were driving by and I would look at the license plates I'm in North Carolina and Oklahoma mom in Georgia you know so I didn't know where I was no said they were throw me in the hole I'd be there for three four months and it was a lonely feeling and it was weird because you look up and there may be a window and you just want to see a bird fly by because you haven't seen a bird and so long and so you just looking for anything from nature an airplane to fly over because all you have is a small window maybe six inches and when they put you in in the hole they have very powerful toilets because a lot of guys who go to the hole they'll flood the floors if they're not giving them their allowing shower recreation so the strength of the toilets are designed to suck a t-shirt down you can suck a towel down and so for me I never wanted them to think that the hole was given the upper hand or me so I would work out physically but then I would wash my clothes in the toilet and as the fresh water was coming down I would hold on to my shirt very very hard and scrub it with the soap and didn't hang them on my bed and they would say follow you won't recognize you can't do nothing for me then they would ship me to another prison in another one so psychologically it's it was devastating but I did not allow them to know how I was feeling in a reference to drugs which one of you was in the drug game the longest well now when I'm in a drug game distribution selling making money getting others to sell for you you brother define describe it's something that's built on the built on trust okay you work your way up and I got to a point where they were finding old discreet vans and they would soda weld the gas tank and put in a false gas tank under the bottom and put kilos and it didn't well re well demand I would drive keys into Utah from from what they called a mu yes I was a meal with plenty of keys or was it narcotic that you was handling a heroin and cocaine okay yes and then I've made arrangements because I have friends from LA that were originally from Pittsburgh so I had a crew of guys that were from Germany because they were Caucasian I knew that they wouldn't get pulled over the weight average african-american would and so they were driving keys and vans across the United States from Los Angeles because in LA a Kia Coke was going for 13:5 in Pittsburgh they were going for 39,000 okay let me ask you a question and I want to ask you a question cuz it's very important because as you know today television and social media they they present drug deals gone down and things like that are there similarities to reality or is it a vast difference from reality and the reason why I ask that because what I find is lowering was a lot of a lot of young people into the drug game is because of what is shown on television and it gives them the younger generation is great appeal besides determined them from it it generates the curiosity and draws them to it so to the young brothers and sisters would you say it has a lot of similarities or what Hollywood produced is sheer hypocrisy compared to reality it's pure hypocrisy because Hollywood shows only to success they showed a white house in the picket fence they don't show the drug deals gone bad I know guys who went the whole families were murdered because they came up short with money and what way was they killed Oh execution-style you know guys drug deal gone bad I know guys that left Los Angeles flew interest to Missouri into st. Louis killing families flying into Detroit killing families and you define the method of murder or the method of killing shot in the head packed up with action mostly shot in the head a lot of the old-style executions were really taking place in in Miami because when during the Mariel boatlift once these guys came over they were already hardened criminals in Cuba so coming to the United States getting paid ten fifteen thousand to kill somebody that's rich in Cuba you know and so the effects are still there I the privilege of going to Cuba in Incept this past September and speaking to some of the people in Havana and Mia Marta they remember their family members coming over here to the United States getting involved in some of these murders knowing that their family members are still incarcerated 3040 years later but these were some of the heinous murders that were taking putting us all in the lord it comes from the music you know I got friends and we're well people who can sing but the record producers they don't want that music they want violence they want you to degrade women have no respect for for your elders that's what's selling what is the difference and I want each of you brothers to give your input what is the difference that you see and the young people today versus your generation what did the difference brother Celine well the difference I see with young people today opposed when I was growing up they really have no regard for human life and now I understand why because they mentor and who they raised by or different people that you know I was just saying where I work in the school it was a Samba Malcolm X he said we have to start looking at each other in a set of different eyes because the value of human life mean nothing true but in my time it was no problem me seeing a lady cross the street good morning miss Owens how you doing eating me help you across the street but in these days and these days in time you don't see that true you don't see that and the respect value is um had all-time low yes you know I ride the septa bus you don't really see people getting up and give older people they see exactly you know I couldn't dare do that my mother would beat the mess on me even though I never got on a bus at that age just to hear that I would've did something like that my mother with a you know just said something to me even though I had three older brothers but my mother would have told me okay wait there Greg get home you know which is one of my oldest brother's name weighted Greg at home and that was enough for me but it's just the value of respect have gone you know no I had no value of human life no more brother Maurice what do you see it's kind of a shame I really had a conversation with my sister's father and he's 70 years old now and he he said that nowadays the teachers or scared of the kids mm-hmm the parents are scared of the kids mm-hmm the superintendent of the schools are scared of politicians and the politicians or scared of voters the kids ain't scared of no body and when he said it I'm like makes sense yes sir because I know when I was young I remember I called my fourth-grade teacher by first names was rosemary and she literally choke me so bad that like she she literally got up from her tears ran over Lily just choked me so bad that we're his though almost like fainted mm-hmm and that's about me calling her by her first name which was a no-no yes when he was you know that was I was a fourth grader however what I was I think it was nine Taylan where it is and she had the permission from my grandmother two children now in these kids get to go to school and tell my parents one of my friend's brother was just arrested because he hit herself because his son hit his daughter and his father now has a criminal background so you can't erase your own kids anymore the way you want that you see fit so it's like you can't raise them but the school get the reason but when they do wrong you got to pay for mm-hmm so I think the biggest difference now is also like the video games yes where kids literally all day long sit and play for at night exactly you know I keep hearing about this game so much it's almost like it's a drug and you can't get him off of it but he planned from gonna be tough I was even on school nights so I couldn't dare be in my grandmother's house even waking up at 5 o'clock let alone playing a game at 5 o'clock mm-hmm so I think the biggest difference now where the teachers their handicaps you know and for me the only like disciplinary that I had would have been my home and my uncle you know I still have a actually I was texting him last night and that I told him that I may be coming here whatever and he said don't tell none of my stories you know cuz he easily be in jail you know some of the stuff I was young you know but now that I look back on it I wish he had done it more it was coming from a love standpoint because they generation was taught love like the elders says here it's totally different generation very much so total different generation so my generation we wasn't taught love you can't get what you ain't got nothing that's why some of us done some of the things that we've done right their generation they had to be best friends yeah like my grandmother grandmother Mary for 60 years we can't be friends for 10 minutes you know so I think the generation gap is a very serious thing because the kids of today that we get a chance to speak to they have no problem with pulling the gun with you true you know you wouldn't dare you wouldn't even custom around your grandmother mm-hmm you wouldn't even come close to even saying anything close to her being this post-consumer said this will come next oh yes you know so I think the respect factor that he spoke about by being on an L being with trolley getting up out of the seat so yeah they can sit in helping the elder shovel the snow like I like doing stuff like that mm-hmm I'll shovel the whole block for free cuz I wish I got a chance to do it when I was young so I'm making up or trying to make up for what I should have been doing then right I try to do now so try getting a kid now no show us some snow without giving him a game or giving him and um games are expensive in like 70 bucks mm-hmm you know I never saw $70 as a teenager you know so but it takes you know unfortunately sometimes it takes someone to tell a story to say like I was admitted the kid that I was hope to Friday of Supper's for the Lafayette mr. Jinnah's office um I asked him I said do you love your grandma but his grandmother have bored of men he said yeah so I asked his grandmother what is the best thing that he'd do for you at the house she said destroy it punch holes in her wall so he said well I do sweep the neighbors got to start with the house right the grandmother bought them clothes the grandmother Fiji be nice to the neighbor but don't clean their stuff first when I'll clean your grandmother stuff first right you know and I think that sometimes kids think it's okay to destroy within mm-hmm and be nice on outside exactly it's kind of like the hypocrisy thing where you close as a sheet which you really wolf inside right cuz it could be a dangerous thing as their kids get older takes that into its adult life loving was outside and Hayden was inside that would really love you so that's what I was saying like the generation that he liked spoke about like how you said I apologize on behalf of my generation yes sir good all right before I give brothers cherif I want some brothers to get it some microphones on this side quickly please because we own a clock and only have a few minutes I wanted some brothers to get some microphones on this side all right would I tell you what let me borrow two microphones come on brother one of your brother's get one of these quickly please it doesn't matter which one it's one of your brother's get one and stay on that side you stay on that side now I'm gonna give brother Sharif and I'm gonna get my other brother my other brother and reference to the same question that I acts but you better young people who want to ask them questions stand now I'm gonna try to get as many as I can any young people want to ask them questions stand on your feet now so they would know even if they're not young anybody who want to ask them questions stand on your feet now please and remain standing standing on your feet and remain standing because you young folk you ought to have questions I'm plenty of them all right brothers cherif same questions when I would the jail we had black old things we had what now black black old businesses black owned as well that gray when I came home 36 years later it's nothing there you know I mean we had mentors out there trying to put us in the right direction it was nothing there you know and it's so sad to see that and again the love factor because for some reason as black folk we'll love each other we don't love each other we'll appreciate each other you know I mean we like crabs in a barrel when we look at Philadelphia right now everything form is running our city mm-hmm everything falling and it's an ugly sight and you ask yourself why because we don't appreciate each other well angry at each other sure will you speak about the youth the youth don't respect a cell true so what give you think you gonna respect a man or woman when we see the ladies will lose kids you know exactly you know that's something to say that when you offer help today to an elderly woman she get paranoid because she's literally not used to someone being kind to her that's not that's a very powerful statement will you think of it brother if we could love each other look at this same question brother fuller yes I honestly think that the youth are hurting and a lot of what they do is the cry for help I think that you know there are very subtle ways that they want to ask questions there are very subtle means that they have which is different from our generation where they try to be heard and unfortunately because of time and the busy schedules that some of the older people have they don't have the time that we had 30 years ago and so because of that you find them doing everything whether it's the our poor sisters posing nearly nude on Instagram to get likes our brothers holding up money and alcohol just to get likes doing things on Facebook just to get likes and you know if you pull that generation it's very most of their young boys and the young women were molested during that period of time when the fathers were in jail or prison or dead you know the boys as well as the women and these boys are hurting these young sisters are hurting because our generation let them down everything they do nine out of ten times its acquired for help well said with a garland me myself I think the youth today when I was growing up I got whooping you know I mean I got ya I got punishments whippings with boats stinking cords whatever my dad was fine mm-hmm and um for real for real even in school when you didn't wear your gym shorts you got a paddle from the gym teacher you know and really I think when theythey when you stopped disciplining at home that's what it that's what is that now you know these ladies here I'm sure they spank their kids well see brother Jamal it's a big difference right now like um I guess the younger generation need to respect the older and the older need to start listening to the younger ones you know because I'm em at that time it was my neighborhood to be able to book me and didn't tell my parents when they came home and they whooped me yeah you know so I mean like we need to start sticking together like stop closing in and yeah I'm saying we need to speak up towards one another well said all right we're gonna get our side of sisters first so we're their brothers they got the microphone please all right wig just so hold it right there brother already did my sister start from the back wherever the furthest one it's just a better standing whoever's standing and let them ask their question hello I'm an attorney in South Jersey and I want to know what you have to say about the defense that you had or lack thereof and just defense counsel in general what are you speaking to me or who were you speaking to sis and when you said defense what do you have to say about any difference representation that you had for your counsel defense attorneys or what do you have to say in general about the and how they represent our community I think that unfortunately most attorneys in the Philadelphia region their first objective is to get you to plead guilty their goal is not to goo Assad because it cost money and war is our friends of the court and I think that you know there's the statistic that's you can easily that you probably know about yourself that 90% of convictions come from plea deals it's not a challenge to the evidence whether you're right or wrong there are people that I know in prison right now me and him speak to this person on a regular basis that been in prison since 1987 but some he didn't do and it's known that he didn't do it but he's time barred and anyone who don't know what time bar as you can be right but you passed the deadline to prove that you're right repaid that again you could be right yes let's say I have this whole congregation saying that he wasn't there he was in New Jersey hmm but because the deadline pass you get one year one year so let's say I couldn't find a person in the year I was sitting down in prison because I couldn't find a person in the year and if that's not an adjustment I don't know what is you got people that's sitting in prison one like me and him speak to this guy on a regular basis 1987 he's been in prison 32 years plus but some that he didn't do so what they do in Pennsylvania a lot they get you to accept the plea deal your lawyer had come to you and say listen I got a deal for you 10 to 20 years and you may say I didn't do it yeah but you know this gonna be a hard case to fight and this state or the city rather cost a lot of money the defendant person attorneys are expensive you know and it's easier to just say you know what I did it and then actuality you didn't do it so I think in regardless of representation because I was actually offered a plea deal but I was 13 years old I couldn't picture 20 years they offered me 20 years no one said you know what I wish I would have taken it because I did my crime mm-hmm but no one said this is what you should do it was the lawyer that said this is what you should do now that same I didn't do the crime this whole thing is we got enough evidence to show that you did do it so just plead guilty so I think from that standpoint I think that more attorneys should have more oversight and regards to how they treat their clients because I had a family member pay $40,000 for an attorney who literally took that money and done nothing I said in jail for 10 more years but where where all he had to do was say that's too hard for me who's gonna refuse $40,000 you know so I think the biggest obstacle at least offensive and like I'm not sure how Jersey runs their penal system and their judicial system but at least in Pennsylvania when you get to the lower court level because the deals take place on the lower court there's no law involved the law gets when you get to the Superior in the Supreme Court that's when they start to deal with law okay when you in the lower court any you will see a person commit murder and get two to five years won't happen in that Supreme Court because they know it's not legal this is illegal sentence so on the lower level them judges are elected the higher levels are appointed they're elected so you can go out and vote and say you know what I don't think you're doing the right job you know so the government for the people by the people but why so many of our people suffer from our own people all of the judges that we sentence us they were black you know these are our own people doing injustice to our own P like I said for me I have no complaints because I actually did my crime and there's something that I was hope to the family about you know timing the time out how were most who I am but for other people who didn't do they crime who was in language and in prison system for 30 40 years having to admit guilt there's a juvenile there's people who fell when he was 16 17 years old had to go before a judge that we went before and she made them admit guilt although they claimed innocence for 30 years she said if you don't admit guilt I can't reset you because you're still challenging your innocence that's wrong cuz you're making me say that I committed a crime that I didn't commit in order for you to free me true so I think that just for like the judicial system these are people that's voted in even you vote no your novel right you can't complain of you even you can't complain about a problem that you can fix so some of our family members who we know get criminal records they came to give the jobs no more because they had to plead guilty to a crime that they didn't even you know commit so I just will hope that lawyers if there are more lawyers in here I would love to speak to you on personal pieces maybe you'll take a case pro bono you know because there are in it like you know how but he was dr. Martin Luther King where he said an injustice anywhere is an injustice everywhere and also it's better for 99 men to be let go out of prison to convict one innocent man it's better than let 99 people go who did commit their crime then convict one innocent person who didn't commit their crime because a lot of us probably done stuff we didn't get caught for and there's a guy that I know in prison he accepts the fact that he's dying in prison that for some he didn't do cuz all the stuff he got away with he said so now I'm getting my punishment now because all the stuff I did do but for the people who didn't do the crimes I think is an injustice when it's known that a piece of paper that you didn't follow on town preclude you from ever going home because we bill clinton he did that it's called the anti effective death penalty act a BPA that's the acronym for that anti affect the death penalty act meaning you got one year to prove innocence and if you can't prove it you die in jail all right next question such as that a standard my question is to all of the men I heard some of you speak about your families and you know how that affects you that some of y'all couldn't attend y'all's yes your family funerals but how does it I got like when you get out you know how do how do you Rick how did you all reconcile yourselves back to your your family fortunately for myself you know my family I was I was the baby in a bunch so I had nieces and nephews that's older than me so and we was close-knit and uh they made effort to come see me you know my brother's my sisters and when my mother was alive and my father they definitely made sure they came but you know and my nieces had babies and stuff they want to make sure I seen them so it was it was real I am thankful to say that I had a close-knit family that had my back alright any other brothers want to comment on that I would agree um I have I had a very close-knit family also and it said when you have some family members out there who will freeze people in time you know they expect you to be the same person you were prior to going into prison when they don't understand the transformation that you've made an acceptance of responsibility so I wasn't on the other end of my family rejecting me they had very high hopes for me as a young person and they did not freeze me in time and hold that against me when I came home okay any other brothers like most younger people go to jail because they don't have families you know no 1450 okay be sitting in no prison I don't care what his family looks like because for me these are my family members you know like I said my mother gone grandfather gone grandmother gone brother murdered cousin murdered like they're gone so there is no reconciliation right you know so the people that are left like I speak to my uncle where Tom's but that days in I was going so long now and I'm smarter than him now mm-hmm he asked me questions that I should be axed to him you know but I don't have no hatred towards the ones that are left because as I said earlier you can't give what you ain't got he was never taught love right my own brother I seen him twice in 23 years twice in 23 years so when I finally seen him uh a few months ago he asked me may said how was it I said you tell me I got a lot to tell you that you really want to hear it though you know so I don't even had him conversations right cuz somebody's gonna be mad when they leave that conversation but I'm not bitter towards any of them no but there's no reconciliation though all right like for me because that days in you knew I was a kid when I went in mm-hmm and you left me there right as I said I done what I done very remorseful for what I've done but you're still with my family memory right and you left me there fend for myself at 13 years old so next question so say you were sick in prison and would you get like the same treatment as if you were in the hospital not long the question was if you were sick in prison would you get the same treatment as if like if you're not in prison young the young fella acts that I can I got person who's spearing like like I have Crohn's disease it's an intestinal disease I had three surgeries in the last ten years for that disease and the medications that I was on for thirteen years I went to the hospital down at the University of Penn the doctor said you don't even use that he said we don't even use it said the medication you've been known for thirteen years we don't use that particular medication out here in the community and when I was up a certain prison I became so sick that I became sepsis and almost died off my own vomit and it took 23 cells the whole days outside they sell slot to get me medical attention when he passed out trees everyone stuck their hands on to Selby not shutting this until y'all get on medical help so I couldn't call Nam I want to come get me I'm in a hole I can't do anything and I swear I see we just talked about this this morning me seeing people commit suicide kill themselves being in an environment because you become so sick and you get tired of being in pain we're out here just to be able to go until it doctor's office and say this is how I'm doing were you in prison they want to see how bad you're doing first does he think you're lying and I have a pre-existing condition and they still treating me as if I'm lying and when you go to the hospital you get handcuffed to the bed you're not moving I was in four-point restraints handcuffed to the hospital bed while armed guards next thing you're not moving nowhere there's you got to go to bear from they bring you a little pot put it next to your bed that's where you go out so to sit in the hospital when I went to the hospital it was like luxury for me to go to a hospital although I'm chained to the bed because I know I'm gonna get the best treatment and I know the doctors they don't have no horse in a race street hospital I like like me like when I got sick it was like the privilege to go to a street hospital because in prison unfortunately I know a lot of people that passed away in prison hospitals this is not really a hospital it's still a prison right right right they just call me the hospital okay so you don't get the same treatment no all right we will have to move quick because we're on a clock come on sister I've got a question about if any one of you all that have children if your child has hardheaded how you handle it handling the child and also what will make you give that child up what is there any circumstance that will make you turn your back on your child not at all and that's a good question because I don't have no children but if I did I will whooping you know I mean and I would discipline them in every way that I can because see right now this conversation that we hold on deals with everything and we ignore taking care our kids right now we looking at these cell phones I couldn't spell a minute ago now I'm not gonna spell to and they just say put this yo you ain't got a spell on you I just put two of you you gotta spell no more so I'm a discipline my child you know and go from there grab out my daughter was three when I when I fell to the feds and she was 15 when I came home and even though she had come her expectations were very high when I came back home and I had to discipline at one time old school extension cord and she went to school and she had marks on our arm and so the principal had no choice but to notify the Division of Youth and Family Services so they came to my house they left a card because I was at work well when I arrived home my daughter was already home and I said oh they want us to come down to the Division of Youth and Family Services I said let's go you and I she said no that's me I said no we're going together so I go down to the Division of Youth and Family Services and you know they mentioned my prison background because I had been home for six months and so they wanted to know why did you do this to your daughter I said I'm the one who I get up at 4:30 in the morning I picked my daughter up from school I buy my daughter they closed that she wears when you can do what I do you come take her and you raise it and I made sure that my daughter was present when I said what I said you know my daughter's my daughter is much older now but you know what like I tell her the same cage that keeps the bird and keeps the kitty out right and so the things that we do for our children sometimes they're not meant for our child to understand now it's meant for them to understand years figs and as long as you're consistently reminding them that you're gonna be upset with me things are good now but there are times when I'm gonna have to be your disciplinarian right it's much more palatable exactly all right come on sister greetings brothers I wasn't got a question as to what was really going on through your mind during your crime like there's something spiritually come over you or just what was your actual mindset what was your mindset when you actually what was their mindset when they committed it whatever crime when it happened when it happened what was the mindset when I said I was high on drugs so therefore I was trying to come from out myself I don't want to face reality you know always want to escape who I was you know therefore I've depended on drugs to had me become a different person alter ego you know when I was on drugs I was a better person so I thought I can talk but I wanted to talk and people would listen to me you know so no I wasn't reasonable right state of mind okay all right next question we did it'll be in my class about the death penalty and I would like to ask on what do you guys think about the death penalty what do you brothers think about the death penalty well in Pennsylvania definitely is a joke because they don't kill nobody so menace it's you know it's it's friends of ours that's sitting on death row just rotting away because they not killing them so when you speak about it it's an ugly fake first and foremost and form them have the men locked up like that shouldn't exist okay next question have any of your friends been killed by police brutality a venom your friends being killed by police brutality we have friends killed in jail Bob Gore's brutality it's not just a street thing it's also take place in there so you know I know for me personally on both sides inside and on this side where you know I've lost friends too you know like he said police brutality you know whether it was justified said it wasn't justified to me and their loved ones but yes all right next question just a minute sister they passing the microphone they can't hear you without one go ahead I went through the same thing I lost my sister and she had two three children and could take it with them and plus my daughter can take care of it but I got them in a nice home and like you say I have seen my father since and my mom and my dad passed away and my other sister she passed away to keep her leg amputated and and how about you I understand but you Maurice and you pray for me and I do say for you too okay thank you sister yes sister next question no where's one in back of you they coming waiting with a microphone come you know it's you greetings and thank you for sharing I want to thank you some of you are talking about your conscience and listening to your conscience and I wanted to know if like when you were younger how much how much like God were you exposed to like how much was God present your life and how much did you pray before and afterward it's like when you were in jail that's a very good question and I'm I'm big on that you're conscious right I didn't understand it when I was out there you know I had to turn into it when I was away and I was loving getting into fights I was little when I was wrong oh we frighten them all you're not a man and yeah and I so told you when you went to the bathroom or anything that morning I don't go fight that ball you know I mean Uncle Frank that born when you go we're gonna do it you came back with that busted lip there bloody nose and everything but something spoke to you some told you to go other way and we didn't understand how to be the bigger person then and being incarcerated I really told into my inner soul go ahead yes brief I think dr. Jennings could attest to this in regardless of whether you studied Ford Robertson Skinner or any other psychologists I think they they would all agree that your frontal part of your brain does not fully develop until you're in your 20s and so rational decision by most young people cannot be made when you see the decisions that these young men made it was bigger than prayer pressure their brain has not even developed to accept and make certain responsibilities that would be in or cohesive to their conscience and if you can't do that of course you're gonna make mistakes we can blame it on whatever we want to blame it on but the realities that are blank our brains are not even developed until you're in your 20s I just want to say one thing than that go ahead brother I think that even society recognizes that in here's why and everything and my age couldn't drink couldn't smoke legally couldn't buy a house couldn't own a car he was exciting acknowledges that you have to be at least 18 to do all these responsible things it's only in the criminal justice system what he treated kid like an adult if I get pulled over driving a car when I'm 15 the parent get in trouble whereas an adult you get in trouble even society recognizes that and we're not the same you know and I think that from a conscious standpoint when you are how he said like you know this is one of the things that led the court to their decision that the brain science thing this wasn't about a law this is about pure brain science it was about a law we'd be still sitting in prison it was about the brain science that was attested to from different doctors and psychologists and things that said they're not equal interaction I couldn't formulate to plan a crime commit it and how to get away with it everything that we did was just rational well irrational but you thought it was rational and it was off of impulse when you reach in a del hood nanus when a planet comes in that's when the cunning comes in that's when I can wait a year later they do something wrong to you and won't lose sleep about not saying I I can't but kids don't do that a kid can't think past a year they need it now right they meet gratification now right and I think that's the biggest thing that get lost that time with comparing adults to children they're not the same exactly all right next question quickly yes so I have a nephew that has well that went to prison at a very early early age for selling drugs and he's out now but he was raped like consistently consistently raped so what would your suggestion be to family members that really want to reach out and help him psychologically he's still caught up in in this fact of just being so several times being raped so what is your suggestion or any suggestions that you might have for me as a family member and as for other family members that want to reach out what kind of conversation should I have is there someplace I can take in so help us out tell us what we need to do he needs help he needs deep psychological help and the entire family has to be supportive of that because if he does not receive it he is bound to inflict it on someone else I think that you know unfortunately that that's common and prison and it shouldn't be and they passed some laws over the past couple of years called the Prison Rape the Prison Rape Elimination Act something like that where you know things have changed somewhat that is an environment where people get preyed upon and I think once you come out of that you have to let the individual choose the time when they're ready to talk about it because sometimes we act so many questions and it may be that one thing that they may answer that may cause them to take day life because of the embarrassment and a shame that a grown man can physically be subdued and as you say took an advantage of cuz we don't look at ourselves like that no one would look at a grown man like myself and say I that can't happen to him it can it can happen and when it does happen you couldn't imagine four or five guys holding you down and you can't even someone even agreeing to come together to commit such act and when it happens it's the most degrading the most admitting thing that a man can go through because he always say I'm a man right and we've been conditioned to say your man has been ticketed well taken so you have to let the individual be the one to say I'm ready to talk about this and there's guys like us we love helping people like that we sit down with him as a group and let him tell the sturgeons like we're telling our story because I think we're the best people and also dr. Jennings he's a very smart guy you know he's a psychologist forensic psychologists so it's not just to help amongst us but like he said he needs deep psychological help right and let him know it's not your fault it's not your fault so yeah but but situations like that we'd be glad to help you and your family good one all right yes sister yes what's the procedures for transfer like my brothers in Honiton PA and we're here and we won him transfer like unto the sustain Chester so what procedures we have to take to get home transfer basically that's a given if he a good guy officially get around tour but for the most part just got to be patient with that that's all and hopefully the journey that you want to get to your Megadeth who's been there 40 years yeah I did you know what your local your local politicians and your mayor they have a lot of influence and I think that as a constituent that that's a reasonable request you let your politicians know I'm a constituent I'm supportive of you and right now as your constituent I am in need of a favor explain what your nephew or your son did and say by no means am i asking you to release him however I would like you to write a letter to the prison to see if he could be designated closer to home so that as a family we can be supportive of them during his incarceration and when he comes home and I guarantee you they'll respond all right we got a few more minutes come on real quick so we can get to the other side in the right state of mind when you took someone's life would you say you were in a state of coldness like during the crime and would you say it was like pre-planned or all border was cold and bad even when a state do it and they called it justifiable homicide you know like the person is asked about the death penalty it's still a form of murder we just become conditioned to accept that when another person commits murder but to answer your question directly for me I was high on drugs I was high on coding it doesn't excuse the act itself but when you see any person that's in a drunken state of mind all right when they wake up the next day and you tell them what they did they'd be like I really did that they'd be like nah somebody say maybe you need to stop drinking them you can't remember that I sat in the police station for three days they need not committed murder in until the second day and I still didn't believe I wanted to see a body but it goes back to the drug thing you know it befalls your mind it makes you think of things that you would never in your calm or sober mind come to thinking about and I guarantee you all of us up here you can tell a story about being addicted to drugs while doing a crime all of us so do you have some people like as especially as you get older when you Dunaway youth it's a big difference because at my age I should have been taking codeine my body wasn't it's like I wasn't mature enough to even process such a strong drug you know so at that age not to excuse the act that I've done nor justify it but you have to even just look at a person just wanna tell a busy me woke up you know one of these box didn't go and you see a person that's in a drunken state and you look at them and you'd be like they don't know what that you know like you excuse a lot that they do murder can never be excused but for me specifically at that age taking them type drugs and coding is a very strong drug specially you mix it with another drug so you're not in your right state of mind and I think that when you get back to talking about the drug issue if you take that out a lot of crimes wouldn't be committed because the drugs cause you to commit crime for money for vengeance for the pleasure of another woman for the pleasure of your own family to say well I've done X Y & Z because they did this a lot of them crimes are driven by drugs and a lot of people don't be in a right state of mind this is why you see a person that drunk they'll drink drink drink and drive while do they get the less they get that least amount of time when they kill someone on the road it's still form of murder why they get the least amount of time because the government has accepted that that crime is not the same because they was drunk alright although you love one get taken away now listen when we get to this side I'm gonna need y'all to make your course in short precise to the point because we're getting ready to quit real quickly in the back the microphone on in the back please hello God hi my question is about um sexual assault that happens in prisons because I have one cousin who's doing 25 to life and another one that just got out um they're father and son actually the one that's doing 25 to life is the father he wrote me a letter one day and said that he had seen someone who was sexually assaulted and his son who just recently got out said that nowadays you don't see it that often if some if it happens to someone that they're already homosexual so I wanted to know your opinion on it because nowadays unfortunately homosexuality is becoming accepted so when a man comes forward and says he was assaulted he's not looked at as a victim he's automatically labeled as a homosexual and that may not be the case your brother's want to comment I was considered a convict nowadays they have inmates most convicts have rules and regulations which don't transcend regardless of time and most of the guys who were in prison 30 40 years even going back they would never engage in homosexuality it was something considered appalling now the way society is society does not really embrace spirituality they want to do what feels good and they push it into society and unfortunately you have individuals who are very young who are embracing these mentalities they're going into prison not a sad part about it is that these guys go to prison they engage in homosexual behaviors and they come home and say that they weren't and some of the sisters who may not be as spiritual as they should be but they're looking at the outward appearance of these men's oh he's buff oh he has a job it's a very superficial in fleshly way of thinking but it's very harmful to the communities as a whole and so each individual unless it's forcible like where he said unless it's forcible it's nothing that is embraced by our hardcore criminals it does transcend culturally I've been in with guys from Venezuela who said as a culture anything after five years is considered free game in the guys who were in with music that is not anything that is embraced in our community or in a prison system worried but perhaps we was kind of lightened from a different angle all right well and I'm coming brother like in prison now like back in the 80s when these went through that was normal that was like literally normal they had open showers there was no stars you go into it's like this whole room showering at one time right that was normal you had people that preyed on people's soul in that environment some things have changed but it's still pervasive to the point that where as though they have enacted laws that they do test this stuff now so any claim that something has taken place or you know they got hot lines now you could go grab the phone off the wall and say this is what happened get it a prea Prison Rape Elimination Act they have that in place now to where it's changed some but it still takes place and unfortunately when it does the person who suffers that gets look that different okay all right before I get some of you younger people who have the older elder in front we're gonna we're to get Bishop Ferguson please bring the microphone to the front we get Bishop Ferguson and do me a work I'll be back go ahead better brethren my question is related I have two granddaughters twenty and six and so my question really is on their behalf what have you missed most what is or are your greatest regrets and if you have to repeat your life again the six and 20 to avoid prison first under prison within the prison I'm talking about the whole what would you do for me I would say the biggest regret is actually taking someone's life first and foremost because under no circumstances can you just put the law in your own hands and do what you want to just kill someone you know no matter what the because if things were without like much as someone wants me have a disdain for certain police you need them cuz it'll be an art so you need law and order but the biggest regret after that you know for me will be there's a 23 year gap in my life from 13 and 36 that's missing so when you come back out I'm gonna one of my psychologist told me she said that for that 23 years you went from 13 to 36 so emotionally you're missing a lot so there's things that you may do like some when I first came home I got in the shower with shoes on and it's that's not normal to shower what should we be just so used to it in there that you'd be like ah yeah I gotta take my shoes off you know so some of the things you wish you can change if you keep thinking about it you'll cause yourself so much emotional distress you want to get out of that reality so for me personally I try not to keep thinking about what I would changed I just try to move forward and do things differently because if you keep going back and back like honestly I talked to my uncle other day I constantly go back to my grandmother's house it's abandoned no one's there he said you need to get away from I miss it so much though it's just I go back there every time I'm in that neighborhood I go back there and it causes me nothing with emotional distress so for me personally I have to go forward I can't go back brother Webb quick question racism relation to the sexual assault as in prisons and if you could speak to the young brothers and sisters those that carry the gun now opposed to without being having a gun in prison that they think that nothing can happen to them because they got the gun they carry the gun now but once they step into prison doors can you just explain to them what effects and what can happen to them without the gun well when you get that door it's a whole different attitude because it's ruled by our administration than anything about you having a gun but the whole thing is when you hit the walls everything that you've built with our head don't exist because they stripped me soon as you walk in there they strip you of everything back in the day they used to ask you where you wanted your body to go because that was kind of Joe he was walking into what do you want your body to go to so at the age of 18 years old when I had greater for Pennsylvania on the penet century they asked me what did I want my body to go to so when you look at these kids I'm hit with these guns in the face that they these type of conversations is needed for me to get a better understanding of it and then you know you just gotta keep it in guy's hands after that all right let's get the elder back here my name dream Smith and I want to tell you them two brothers from great if would tell you the truth but they didn't get chance to tell you all of it all of you that have been in jail know that you don't know everything and right now Austin above everybody cause I gave 51 years and greater right now well we're sitting here talking they're taking men in greater every day every day they don't tell you nothing about it on the news or nowhere else but 50 60 70 men go to jail irrigate arity and they just built a new one and clothes grated foot down and the new ones called Phoenix it's almost 10 mile long it takes you three city blocks to walk to go to eat I'm like 5,000 people feed every day so there's a whole lot that you ain't gonna learn in the sort of turn and no time are you and jail for any time do you know everything all right brother Antoine real quick first I wanted to think I understand y'all brothers the struggle I also had life in prison you got it overturn we're quick intervention and prevention for these younger these young youth the guys whose who did is do banal come in at juvenile what was the consequence the problems the struggles that you had to deal with around kohada Co how the convicts the biggest thing you mix with men a lot of people think that but they didn't have a new prison called Pine Grove where but it's still men like when they come through you mixed with grown men so you could be 14 mixing with 40 year olds and that's probably got you a present in the first place you learn more crime and prison than you do on the street now you become a better criminal in prison is this up to you whether you want to utilize the bad stuff that you learn or are you gonna utilize the good stuff that you learn so this is why like a lot of laws were passed with rapists stuff because a lot of kids were going in there instead of an older person from your neighborhood taking you under big wing as we would say they preyed on you they found a way to act like they were your friend by you this and give you this and give you that this was more so an air generation my generation was a little bit more like we frowned upon a lot of stuff that was acceptable back in the 70s and 80s so when you go on in there daddy young you like laws and you don't understand that you're sentenced to die in prison a few friends of mine personally once they were sexually assaulted they started doing it to other people they started doing with other people cuz they look at it as like what was done to me I want someone to feel my pain so when you young like that and you're growing them environments it's unfortunate because you can't call your mom can't call you that you can't call no one and even if it happens they might they might not even believe you and say well yeah they put you in a whole fever bringing it up but they may say you lying about it so you know this is why it has to be out BG before they get there especially the youth sometimes with older people they've been told they may have been in and out they get it they just want to keep doing it over and over and over until they finally get it like he said he was doing and doing anything you know I got my life together but as a kid they may go in and never come out and they be subjected there's so much minimum abuse and physical abuse where they normalize it because they brain is at a point that think that this is what's immoral and it's not normal I'm as no one else to stand let's make it short and quick yeah I looked on the news and I saw this woman she had just finished her jail time and she went and voted and they said she got five more years for voting and she said she did not know that she couldn't vote and I'm saying is there are they doing anything to restore the rights that they took from y'all you know in reference to voting or anything like that well uh Pennsylvania I voted so as I came home I got my oh look I was a proud folder when I got minor make a quick please very quickly I just want to come in your brothers for shame everything that just sharing his home for me as of this day I have a 16 year old son that's in the streets not going to school me and his mom is trying every intervention to get him into programs online schooling he's not participating since middle school to high school he's been in fights jumps he'd been stabbed been in the hospital and now he's in the street just not abiding by anything that we're telling him to do so right now currently right now we have a program trying to get him acclimated with just to motivate him towards education and he's refusing all our intervention my fear is everything that just spoke one was my fear and I sat here and I cried I had to leave to compose myself and come back because my fear is these streets gonna kill my son he's only 16 right now DHS is involved and we've given the chance for the program but both because the program knows so much about my son so suicidal risk and things of that nature I think they just gonna step in and take my son and place them so my question is to you how confident are you guys about the system and trying to rehabilitate a young man that have a love for the streets for a crime he's doing drugs having sex doing all that that young people are doing that we're trying to avoid as parents avoid him of doing how confident are you are with the system the system don't work but that's the bottom line is that your son would when when they take your son he's going to a place there's a whole bunch of hills that got murders they got attempted murders that got robberies and everything that goes on so he ain't gonna do nothing but we've become a better kind of it you know I did it I want I want I'm one of them guys I want to Slayton farm you steady seven and my early life you know I mean I thought I was doing something right when I came home I found out was somebody and I learned from the bigger people in these facilities so I say to you when they do take them you and your wife stay involved and if you can talk to Reverend Genesis somebody and get somebody such as ourselves to help you with anything please do man because our stories is real ain't got no problem Shannon I can brace it lean oh I think as the father you got to say it's not going to happen and you got to do everything possible cuz it's like you know one of my friends mother one of my friends that's his friend's mom how did you stay married so long and he said don't get divorced you know don't let it happen you know and I think as a father why I don't have kids I went to prison I was 13 years old so I couldn't imagine being in a situation where that type of decision was imminent in my life but I will say that he's still out DHS s DHS is involved what okay you can't have it happen that has to be a bond set I'm gonna do everything possible not to let it happen and if it does happen you look in the mirror see I've done everything possible not to let it happen because their days in somebody has to go to prison it just don't got to be your son fight right fight for your son if you have to get on that internet every day if you have to go to that courthouse find out if there's a boot camp or something where they will take your son against his will cuz he's a danger to himself it doesn't even understand it alright we got next so we can cut off flee come on brother greetings my name is Perry and I would like to know after the crime have been committed and the realization ourselves and I would like to know for the youth and the adult they a lot of times they would like to repent and perhaps even be baptized and I would like to know if there's some type of holiness of church something that they could actually that they actually have been in the prison yes and although most prison facilities in Pennsylvania it's very common to have like chaplains and no matter what your fifty nomination is the bad thing is there's only one for four hundred Emmys that may have that particular fief so you know it has to be up to the individual because everybody need a little push everybody need that light to click on a hair sometimes you got to turn it on because every battle has a mental wherewithal to just say I need to do something different and all of us have has some type of spiritual reform to help us be better people but it's up to the individuals that make that choice because of you force something upon someone it may not like it right they may see you want me to be this and I don't want to be that you know and when they get older they may have resent you for forcing them to be seven that they don't want to be exactly however it's still up to the adult to say what I think is best for you you know because I think sometimes nowadays where you want your kid you want your problem you want someone to just do right and you say you know what I got the answer for you the answer may not be yours and especially in that environment when you got so many person it may be 2000 people with certain prisons everybody got a different person not only everybody for they got a different call in so what wound up happening this you get 2,000 personalities all pulling in different you know directions they could be a chaplain all day long or a priest or whoever maybe it's still up to the individual but everyone needs a push okay I owe the gods that said the gentleman he bent 51 years you may know something because you'll know everything they got to be the mindset you may know a lot but it's still some things you can learn and has to be the message to everyone just listen this is why we have two ears in one time listen more and I got to be the message to any and everyone no matter if you reach 80 years or whether you reach 15 years listen because as he said the adults need to listen to the youth and the youth need to listen to that dose alright there's only three standing the two young brothers and Zeke please make your questions short so we can bring it to an end I agree dear brothers I have a question for you know we all say you know for me with the phrase you are what you eat and I think that the rap music in today's society has a lot to do with the youth thinking and looking at life the way that they do I know when you guys with the president the music was different the word he was different the spirit was different this new generation totally Dallas is about killing the shooting and I'm from your generation so when NWA came out and all the gangsta rap I know how it made me feel I didn't actually go do it but if I had the opportunity I can't say that I wouldn't but that spirit is the spirit in that music so my question to you is how much do you think that the music today is affecting the this generation and their wrongdoing I think the music is the number one influence of our youth long gone are the days of hip-hop the hibbott the hibbett and the Grandmaster Flash those days are gone long gone are the days that Karis 1 long gone are the days of Public Enemy and unfortunately the executives in the music industry do not want they do not want the youth to listen to anything educational and a lot of times our children are listening to music and we don't even know what the music is they're walking around the house with the cell phones on the ear plugs in you ask them what they're doing they don't know what you're talking about because the music is in their ears right and if they don't have a and self-esteem if their self-esteem is not high the music will tell them how to act win the app and who to act that way towards see the difference when you grew up in a two-parent household and you didn't get in trouble but you listen to the music your parents in your conscience where your checks and balance you can listen to it just like in the olden I mean we we know me and mrs. Jones that was about an affair it didn't mean that every adult was running around having an affair because they haven't some respect for their lies but the young people they don't have that healthy self-esteem because of the generation they come from and you're moldable to anything whether you're watching it or listening to it if your self-esteem is low alright two young brothers Oh personally what's your experience if you were talking to a kid how would you tell home to say no to the streets by example well said next young brother last one hello hi my name is Bob I just appreciate you guys coming out and sharing our stories recently I mean like a couple minutes ago I guess a couple minutes ago yes you guys talked about our drugs then using it for escape I know a lot of friends and even myself kind of suffered with that so can you give some I guess some words of advice on how to steer away from using drugs as a form of escape I see first you got to start with the friends you've got that abandon them cuz as either one or two things even you're leading or you're following it's never to saying but you can't look at none of your friends and say we eat somebody's lien even if you felt equal who get the last word would you say well I don't want to get hot and they say well calm and let you act a funny today can't be your friend because their days in your friend want what's best for you so at some point in time y'all won't even grew apart because somebody's saying you know what I can't hang out what you know more every time I'm around you I don't do nothin get in trouble every time I'm around you I'm in the cop car every time I'm around you still was like why are we friends you know so and it goes back to the parent as well and back to we you know said about the music a kid can't normally do except with the parent allow them to do especially if the parent is paying for some of the parents pay for the kids are listening to music you bought the phone you bought the game so at some point of time the Perry has to say you know what I bought it as mine's let me get it back now you gotta earn it you ain't got time to get hot cuz your parents making you work now you got this is do you got a room to clean you got a backyard to clean you got a dog to feed you got schoolwork to do ain't got time to get hot so I think that parent has to be the leader in that because one the kid praying got money to buy it anyway so where you get the money from the parent giving it's all let's see selling drugs or something so just keep in mind the people that sitting up here did the exact same thing you did and you don't want to tell all you don't want to be the one sitting up here telling this story cuz it ain't fun at all you know so be the leader and say you know what we ain't friends no more I don't care if you like it or not that's buster [Applause] my brilliance brother thank you very much for sharing your stories I'm actually a school teacher myself I got opportunity to teach from kindergarten all the way up to 12th grade my question to you all is what do you think are programs or anything that should be added to schools or that was taken away before or anything that could be a preventive measure from that school to Prison Pipeline this you think that you say that you're a teacher because think about it think about it when we was young we had safeties you know safeties made you some money when they say you were safety they made you a unique individual yeah you know I mean you had to put your hands I hold on don't go nowhere we they gave us they empowered us there be something and then they took it all away you know I mean then it took it away and like when you speak about your kids first thing you do is level you know hold those conversations when they come share something with you you never mean beat that teacher they go outside the box you none of me beat that teacher be back guidance because a lot of know about it you know and that's what you got to do we got to step up to the plate for these youths out here thank you thank you very much brother brother Maurice I think in regards to the school I think everybody here can agree with that they took God out of schools it's actually it's actually illegal now to say one nation under God indivisible with justice and liberty for all at school they passed a law saying that you can't force law any money you so much as four so this is the norm to accept guy being at school so now that's taken out so what are you replacing it with exactly who's be glad if our brothers being here and God brother now let me say this you're gonna grade the clothes unless you go I got one last question that I need the bunked the young generation said the reason why they were they parents hanging off their behind because our inmates do it it's that true not at all hey we had a loop we had a captain of Huntington every time we took a wall if your pass was down here take you right to that laundry room get you a pair of pants that fits you and put a belt on you and then you got to keep in mind if you had your pants hanging down at me you were so available in the penitentiary exactly so they didn't get that from the brothers in prison did it all not all down to our television viewers again we hope you enjoyed this I'm telling you you young men [Applause] you young men pull your pants up put your shirt down in them we think for our brothers taking the time out to come we want to are encourage you Paris that is watching is live around the world you shared this conversation with you young people the Bible says when I was a child I thought as a child and I speak as a child but when I became a man I put away childish things refreshments will be served after this meeting thank you for listening let us all stand please we gonna ask Bishop Ferguson to close us all out with prayer father we give you thanks for this service today we thank you for the lectures telling us about the way forward reaction the Lord that you guide us cover our young people and all peoples of the world and the name of our Lord Jesus Christ we pray amen

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