THEIR FINAL PITCHES DIRECTLY TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. WE ARE JUST 12 DAYS OUT FROM ELECTION DAY AND A RECORD NUMBER OF BALLOTS HAVE ALREADY BEEN CAST. IS THE FIRST TIME THE CANDIDATES WILL MEET ON STAGE SINCE THE END OF SEPTEMBER. THERE WAS SUPPOSED TO DEBATE VIRTUALLY LAST WEEK AFTER PRESIDENT TRUMP'S COVID DIAGNOSIS BUT THE PRESIDENT CANCEL. SIX TOPICS ARE EXPECTED TO BE COVERED TONIGHT INCLUDING FIGHTING COVID-19, AMERICAN FAMILIES, RACE IN AMERICA, CLIMATE CHANGE, NATIONAL SECURITY AND LEADERSHIP. THINGS WILL LOOK AND SOUND DIFFERENT TONIGHT. A CANDIDATE MICROPHONES WILL BE MUTED FOR CERTAIN PORTIONS OF THE DEBATE IN PART OF AN EFFORT TO ENFORCE THE DEBATE RULES. BOTH CANDIDATES ARE SUPPOSED TO HAVE TWO MINUTES UNINTERRUPTED TO RESPOND TO QUESTIONS FOLLOWED BY UNINTERRUPTED DISCUSSION. THAT IS NOT WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME AROUND. >> THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SHOULD SPEAK. YOU SHOULD GO OUT AND VOTE. YOU ARE VOTING NOW. VOTE AND LET YOUR SENATORS KNOW HOW YOU FEEL. VOTE NOW. MAKE SURE YOU IN FACT, LET PEOPLE KNOW THE SENATORS. I'M NOT CAN ANSWER THE QUESTION. THE QUESTION IS WILL YOU SHUT UP MAN, >> WHO IS ON YOUR LIST JOE X >> I THINK WE HAVE HAD IT. >> LET'S BRING IN CAITLIN AND NICOLE. CAITLIN IS CBSN'S POLITICAL REPORTER AND NICOLE IS A CBS NEWS CORRESPONDENT PITCH SHE COVERS ALL THINGS WASHINGTON BUT YOU SEE HER INSIDE THE DEBATE HALL TONIGHT. NICOLE LET ME BEGIN WITH YOU. THE PRESIDENT HAS MADE IT VERY CLEAR HE IS NOT HAPPY WITH THE CHOICE OF MODERATOR AND THE TOPICS. WHAT MIGHT BE THE VERY PUBLIC OR BEHIND THOSE VERY PUBLIC COMPLAINTS? >> WE KNOW A LOT IS AT STAKE WITH THIS DEBATE WITH THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN THEY'VE ARGUED IT BELIEVES THIS TO DEBATE SHOULD FOCUS MORE ON FORM POLICY. IT SAYS THAT HAS BEEN THE TRADITION IN THE PAST. I HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH ONE OF THE CHAIRS OF THE DEBATE COMMISSION. THAT IS NOT NECESSARILY THE CASE. FROM THE OUTSET THEY MADE CLEAR TO THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN IN BOTH CAMPAIGNS IT WOULD BE THE MODERATOR WHO SETS THE TOPICS. SO THAT, OF COURSE WHAT IS LAID OUT AT THE TOP OF THE SEGMENT. FROM THAT STANDPOINT, WE'VE ALSO SEEN THE PRESIDENT GO AFTER THE MODERATOR. WE KNOW HE WASN'T HAPPY WITH THE LAST DEBATE WITH CHRIS WALLACE OF THE MODERATOR. THERE MIGHT BE AN ATTEMPT TO UNDERCUT WHOEVER IS IN THE ROLE BEFORE THE DEBATE HAPPENS THE DEBATE COMMISSION STANDS BEHIND THE SELECTION OF THE MODERATORS THEY BELIEVE IT'S BEEN A FAIR PROCESS. JUST MINUTES AWAY FROM SEEING HOW IT WILL PLAY OUT TONIGHT. >> CAITLIN YOU HAVE BEEN COVERING THE VOTERS AND VOTING PROCESS THROUGHOUT THE COUNTRY. GIVE US SOME OF THE THINGS YOU HAVE BEEN HEARING. >> TWO THINGS STAND OUT TO ME AFTER SPENDING THE PAST SEVERAL DAYS IN KEY BATTLEGROUND STATES TALKING TO VOTERS. THE FIRST IS THE WAY IN WHICH THE ACT OF VOTING HAS BECOME A CAMPAIGN ISSUE IN AND OF ITSELF. WE'VE SEEN VOTERS BE VERY STRATEGIC ABOUT HOW THEY ARE GOING TO CAST THEIR BALLOTS. WE'VE TALKED TO VOTERS WHO ARE TRACKING LINES ON APPS. THEY ARE VERY INTENT ON MAKING SURE THEIR BALLOT IS IN IN TIME TO BE COUNTED AND BEING VERY STRATEGIC ABOUT MAKING SURE THEY HAVE ALL THE INFORMATION NEEDED TO BE ABLE TO CAST A BALLOT IN A PANDEMIC. AS WE KNOW, THE PANDEMIC HAS PUT VOTING RIGHTS AND ACCESS úFE CAST A BALLOT. SEVERAL STATES HAVE BEEN RAMPING UP OPTIONS TO GIVE PEOPLE INSTEAD OF GOING IN PERSON. THE OTHER DYNAMIC WE'VE SEEN ON THE GROUND IS HOW CORONAVIRUS IS PLAYING IN TERMS OF SHAPING THIS RACE. LOTS OF SUPPORTERS FOR VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN THAT THE PANDEMIC IS FRONT AND CENTER IT'S UPROOTED THEIR LIVES THEY SEE THIS RACE AS A REPRESENTATIVE THE PRESIDENTS HANDLE THE PANDEMIC. PRESIDENT SUPPORTERS DON'T SEE THIS AS THE FRONT RUNNER MOST SAY THE ECONOMY. OF THE PRESIDENT DID WHAT THEY HE COULD DO ON THE PATH PANDEMIC AND THEY WANT THINGS TO RETURN TO HOW IT WAS BEFORE. THIS IDEA RETURNING TO NORMALLY IS PLAYING ON ALL SIDES. SUPPORTERS OF THE PRESIDENCY TURNING BACK TO NORMAL MEANS GETTING BACK TO THE ECONOMY BEFORE THE PANDEMIC. AND SUPPORTERS OF JOE BIDEN WHO WANT TO RETURN TO NORMALCY THEY GIVE A VERY DIFFERENT. THEY THINK OF IT AS A TIME BEFORE TRUMP TOOK OFFICE. >> THE PRESIDENTS PATH TO VICTORY SEEM TO BE FAIRLY NARROW NARROW ACCORDING TO THE TRACKER. IS THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN HAVE A RECALIBRATION IN THIS CLOSING WEEKS. >> THEY'VE ALWAYS TRIED TO DEFEND THE STATES THAT THE PRESIDENT ONE IN 2016. ALSO TRYING TO FIND PATHS IT THROUGH OTHER STATES LIKE NEVADA OR MINNESOTA. I CAN TELL YOU CERTAINLY THAT ONE STATE THAT BOTH THE TRUMP AND BIDEN CAMPAIGN ARE TARGETING IN THESE FINAL DAYS IS FLORIDA, FLORIDA, FLORIDA. IF I HAD A WHITEBOARD LIKE TIM RUSSERT, IT IS A KEY STATE. IS CERTAINLY THE PRESIDENT NEEDS THAT ONE. WE TALKED ABOUT STATES LIKE MICHIGAN, WISCONSIN, PENNSYLVANIA AND SUPPORT IN THOSE STATES MAY BE FLIPPING FOR THE PRESENT BUT IF HE DOESN'T WIN FLORIDA THAT COULD SPELL BIG TROUBLE FOR HIM. HE NEEDS THAT STATE. OF THE DEMOCRAT SEE AN OPPORTUNITY THERE. I HAVE A AN OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK WITH THE CHAIR OF THE DEMOCRATIC CONGRESS THERE. HE SAID HE'D LIKE TO MAKE GROUND THERE. WE SAW FORMER PRESIDENT, BARACK OBAMA ON THE TRAIL FOR THE FIRST TIME. IN PHILADELPHIA. ANOTHER TYPICAL PIVOTAL STATE. AND AGAIN THIS WEEKEND. EVERYTHING IS VERY STRATEGIC IN THESE FINAL DAYS. THE PRESIDENT HOLDING RALLIES IN FLORIDA FOLLOWING THE DEBATE. THAT IS ONE OF THE STATES TO WATCH. >> CAITLIN, THE U.S. ELECTIONS PROJECT SAID 47 MILLION HAVE ALREADY VOTED ACROSS THE COUNTRY. HOW WILL THAT CHANGE THE DYNAMIC OF TONIGHT'S DEBATE, DOES IT? >> THE RECORD-BREAKING NUMBERS WE WERE JUST IN GEORGIA WHICH IS RECORD BREAKING NUMBERS EVERY DAY WHEN IT COMES TO THE EARLY VOTE. 47 MILLION PEOPLE ALREADY CASTING THEIR BALLOT RAISES A QUESTION ABOUT HOW AN EVENT LIKE TONIGHT CAN DO ANYTHING TO CHANGE VOTERS MINDS. WHAT'S REALLY INTERESTING, EVEN THOUGH WE'VE HAD A GLOBAL PANDEMIC, THERE HAS NOT BEEN MANY INSTANCES OVER THE COURSE OF THE PAST SEVERAL MONTHS THAT WE'VE BEEN IN GENERAL ELECTION MODE THAT HAVE CHANGED THE TRAJECTORY OF THE RACE. NATIONALLY AND KEY BATTLEGROUND STATES, JOE BIDEN CONTINUES TO LEAD. THAT'S WHY HIS CAMPAIGN WANTS TO SEE TONIGHT AS A DO NO HARM, GET THROUGH. THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN IS FALLING BEHIND IN KEY BATTLEGROUND STATE POLLS. NEEDS TO DO SOMETHING WITH THIS RACE TO SHAPE IT IN THE NEXT 12 DAYS. WITH PEOPLE ALREADY VOTING IN RECORD NUMBERS, DOES IT NIGHT LIKE TONIGHT DO ANYTHING TO CHANGE THE FUNDAMENTALS THAT WE HAVE SEEN BE RELIABLY CONSISTENT THIS CYCLE? >> BILLS ARE LIVE PICTURES IS THAT RIGHT CONTROL ROOM? úWE SA WE ARE, IN FACT LOOKING AT LIFE PICTURES IN NASHVILLE AS WE WAIT FOR THE DEBATE TO GET UNDERWAY. THERE YOU SAW, IT LOOKS LIKE A MOTORCADE. WE CAN'T SAY EXACTLY IF THAT WAS THE PRESIDENT OR NOT. CERTAINLY WE'RE KEEPING AN EYE ON THE PICTURES AS WE GET CLOSER HERE TO THE TOP OF THE HOUR. AND NICOLE, TALK TO US MORE ABOUT THE TOPICS DISCUSSED TONIGHT AND HOW THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE ELECTION INTERFERENCE ATTEMPT COULD COME INTO PLAY. >> WE KNOW THE TOPICS WILL COVER A VARIETY OF GROUND. ONE SEGMENT FOCUSED ON COVID-19 AND AMERICAN FAMILIES AND THE NATIONAL SECURITY AND RACE IN AMERICA AND CLIMATE CHANGE AND ON LEADERSHIP. EACH OF THOSE SEGMENTS WILL RUN ABOUT 15 MINUTES APIECE. AS FAR AS THE ISSUE OF NATIONAL SECURITY, WE WOULD EXPECT THAT ISSUE OF FOREIGN ELECTION INTERFERENCE ESPECIALLY IN LIGHT OF THE VERY HASTILY CALLED PRESS CONFERENCE THAT WE SAW YESTERDAY BY THE FBI AND THE DNI DIRECTOR WILL COME UP. WE HAVE NOT HEARD FROM THE PRESIDENT OR FORMER VICE PRESIDENT, JOE BIDEN, TO KNOW THEIR REACTIONS AND WHAT THE PRESIDENT MIGHT KNOW ABOUT THIS. WE CERTAINLY EXPECT THIS TO BE PRETTY HIGH UP THAT THE MODERATOR WILL RAISE THE TOPIC THAT THOSE CANDIDATES COULD SEE. >> ALL RIGHT CAITLIN HUEY-BRUNS AND NIKOLE KILLION, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> ANTHONY HAS THE LATEST ON WHAT THE RACE IS LOOKING LIKE AHEAD OF TONIGHT. ANTHONY. >> LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE STATE OF THE RACE. THIS THE FINAL DEBATE. FIRST THING TO NOTE. IF THIS YEAR WE SEE RECORD TURNOUT, LET'S SUPPOSE IT IS AND SOME ESTIMATE WE THINK IT COULD GET TO 150 MILLION VOTES. ABOUT ONE THIRD OF THAT HAS ALREADY BEEN CAST WITH PEOPLE SHOWING UP EARLY AND CASTING THEIR BALLOTS BY MAIL. THE POOL OF VOTERS LEFT TO BE PERSUADED IS GETTING SMALLER. COUPLE THAT WITH THE FACT THAT WELL OVER 99% IN SOME PLACES IN THESE POLLS, PEOPLE SAY THEY'VE MADE UP THEIR MIND. IT COULD BE ABOUT MOTIVATING TURNOUT FOR JOE BIDEN, MAYBE TRYING TO STEAL IN THE VOTERS. AND LOOK AT THE STATES IN THE UPPER MIDWEST. THEY ARE LEANING BLUE TOWARDS JOE BIDEN. HE'S ALSO GOT A COUPLE OF POSSIBILITIES IN TOSSUP IN PLACES LIKE FLORIDA, GEORGIA, NORTH CAROLINA OHIO, ETC. WITH THE PRESIDENT NEEDS TO DO IS HE NEEDS TO WIN THE TOSSUP'S AND FLIP A COUPLE OF STATES. SUPPOSE THE PRESIDENT, ONCE AGAIN WINS FLORIDA AND GEORGIA AND NORTH CAROLINA? START TO RE-CREATE THAT 2016 MAP . NOW HE WILL HAVE TO ALSO WIN OHIO AND FLIP PENNSYLVANIA OUT OF JOE BIDEN: TO PUT HIM CLOSER AND THEN MAYBE WISCONSIN JUST ONE SCENARIO TO GET HIM BACK OVER THE TOP. A NUMBER OF DIFFERENT PATHS COULD PLAY OUT. WE COULD SEE SOME OF THE SCENARIOS WE SEE AS WE HEAD INTO THE FINAL HOMESTRETCH AFTER THE DEBATE TONIGHT. >>> ANTHONY, THANK YOU. WITH THE EARLY VOTING ALREADY WELL UNDERWAY. TONIGHT IS THE LAST CHANCE THE CANDIDATES WILL HAVE TO GO HEAD-TO-HEAD TO SWAY UNDECIDED AMERICANS. LAST DEBATE FEATURED A RANGE OF ATTACK TO BOTH CANDIDATES. SOME ON THE ISSUE TOUCHING ON THEIR PERSONAL LIVES. HERE'S ONE OF THE MOST HEATED MOMENTS. >> IT'S ABOUT YOU. THAT'S WHO WE'RE TALKING ABOUT. >> AT THE END OF THE SEGMENT WE ARE MOVING ON. >> VICE PRESIDENT. >> CAN I BE HONEST IT'S VERY IMPORTANT HE STOOD UP. >> THE ANSWER TO THE QUESTION IS NO. SIR. >> YOU BRING WITH THE BILLION DOLLARS. >> THAT IS NOT TRUE. THAT IS NOT TRUE. >> GENTLEMEN. I HATE TO RAISE MY VOICE BUT WHY SHOULD I BE DIFFERENT THAN THE TWO OF YOU? >> LET'S BRING IN LONNIE CHAN HE WAS THE POLICY DIRECTOR FOR MITT ROMNEY, 2012 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN AS WELL AS AN ADVISOR FOR MARCO RUBIO 2016 PRESIDENTIAL CAMPAIGN. LONNIE, GREAT TO SEE YOU AGAIN, THANKS FOR JOINING US. BEFORE WE GET TO THE DEBATE I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT SENATOR ROMNEY AND HIS ANNOUNCEMENT THAT HE DID NOT VOTE FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP THIS YEAR AND HE DECLINED TO SAY WHETHER HE VOTED FOR JOE BIDEN. GIVEN YOUR BACKGROUND WITH THE SENATOR, WHY DID HE MAKE THAT DECISION PUBLIC IN THE WAY HE DID? >> HIS OPINION OF PRESIDENT TRUMP AND THINGS HE HAS DONE IS NO SECRET TO ANYBODY. THEY ARE DISPOSITIONAL HE IS DIFFERENT AS TO PEOPLE YOU CAN FIND IN PUBLIC LIFE. I THINK SENATOR ROMNEY WAS GETTING QUESTIONS ABOUT WHAT HE WAS GOING TO DO IN PLANNING TO DO IN THIS ELECTION AND WHO HE WILL VOTE FOR. I THINK HE'S LETTING IT BE KNOWN HE DID NOT SUPPORT PRESIDENT TRUMP. OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T KNOW WHO HE VOTED FOR AND WE WON'T KNOW UNLESS HE LETS US KNOW THAT. PART OF THIS WAS HIS EFFORT TO ANSWER THE QUESTION. IT'S A VERY IMPORTANT ELECTION. SOME MAY WONDER WHERE HE STANDS AND I THINK HE WANTED TO MAKE THAT IS CLEAR AS HE COULD DURING THIS TIME WHEN PEOPLE ARE CASTING VOTES AND MAKING DECISIONS ABOUT THIS YEAR'S ELECTION. >> THE FORMAT OF THIS DEBATE COMPLETE WITH THIS NEW FUNCTION IS IN RESPONSE TO THE FIRST DEBATE WHERE WE SAW SERIES OF INTERRUPTIONS. TO DO YOU THINK THIS DEBATE WILL BE VASTLY DIFFERENT COMPARED TO WHAT WE SAW EARLIER? >> I DON'T KNOW IT WILL BE VASTLY DIFFERENT. BOTH CANDIDATES ARE STILL GOING TO TRY AND GET THEIR POINTS IN REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THEY ARE SPEAKING OVER THEIR OPPONENT, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER THERE TIME IS UP. THE NEW FUNCTION IF USED PROPERLY CAN ENSURE THAT WE HAVE A LITTLE BETTER BACK AND FORTH IN A LITTLE ORGANIZED BACK AND FORTH THAT WE SAW ON THE FIRST DEBATE. FUNDAMENTALLY, PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS A STYLE. IF YOU LOOK AT HOW HE APPROACHES THE DEBATE IT TENDS TO BE CONFRONTATIONAL. IT TENDS TO BE COMBATIVE IN SOME CASES. I WOULD NOT EXPECT HIM TO DEVIATE TOO MUCH FROM THAT STYLE. THAT'S LARGELY HOW HE WILL MAKE HIS POINTS TONIGHT. SO SKIP THE COLD THE MU BUTTON WILL HAVE TOO MUCH OF AN IMPACT THAT A HOPE IT WILL MAKE SOME DIFFERENCE IN THE MARGIN IN AMERICAN PEOPLE CAN HEAR REASONABLE EXCHANGE BETWEEN THE CANDIDATES. >> AFTER ALL THIS IS ENOUGH OPPORTUNITY OR SUPPOSED TO BE FOR VOTERS TO HEAR DIRECTLY FROM THE CANDIDATES THEMSELVES. LET'S TALK ABOUT THOSE PRESIDENT STRATEGY. OF THE PLAY BOOK LOOKS SIMILAR TO 2016 CALLING FOR HIS OPPONENTS TO BE JAIL. THERE IS UNSUBSTANTIATED COMPLAINTS ABOUT VOTER FRAUD. OF THE PRESIDENT ATTACKING DOCTORS AND SCIENTISTS CONTRADICTING HIS CLAIMS. WHAT DO YOU MAKE OF THAT? IS THAT AN EFFECTIVE STRATEGY AT THIS POINT GIVEN WHAT WE HAVE SEEN FROM PUBLIC POLLING ON SOME OF THESE ISSUES. TO DO YOU EXPECT TO SEE MORE OF THAT TONIGHT? >> COUPLE THINGS ARE CLEAR. OF THE PRESIDENT IS ENGAGING IN THE STRATEGY HE'S COMFORTABLE IN IT. IT'S WHERE HE FEELS LIKE HE GOES TO WHEN HE NEEDS TO MAKE HEADWAY ON ONE POINT OR ANOTHER. IT'S EFFECTIVE WHEN RESPECT TO POLITICAL DEBATE. IT'S VERY CLEAR THEY ARE MOBILIZED AND VERY ENCOURAGED AND ENTHUSIASTIC ABOUT THE PRESIDENT. NOT PARTICULARLY EFFECTIVE TECHNIQUE IF YOU'RE TRYING TO SPEAK TO UNDECIDED VOTERS OR VOTERS WHO MIGHT WONDER WHAT WITH THE NEXT FOUR YEARS LOOK LIKE WITH THE TRUMP PRESIDENCY. I MADE THE ARGUMENT REPEATEDLY THE PRESENT WOULD BE STRONGER CIVVIES WILLING TO GET OUT THERE AND TALK ABOUT HIS PLAN OVER THE NEXT FOUR YEARS AS OPPOSED TO OTHER THINGS. THAT IS NOT WHERE THE PRESIDENT AND CAMPAIGN HAS BEEN. OF THE PRESIDENT BELIEVES EFFECTIVE IN MOBILIZING HIS BASE BUT HIS BASE WILL SUPPORT HIM REGARDLESS. THE QUESTION IS WHERE HE GETS THE ADDITIONAL SUPPORT NECESSARY TO GET HIM ACROSS THE ELECTRO EVIL VOTES. I DON'T THINK THE STRATEGY WE'VE SEEN THUS FAR WILL BE VERY EFFECTIVE IF THAT IS THE ULTIMATE GOAL. IF THE PRESIDENT IN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN HAS A FUNDAMENTAL DECISION TO MAKE WITH LESS THAN TWO WEEKS LEFT. IF THEY WILL SPEAK TO VOTERS WHO HAVE LEFT THEIR MIND OR A ARE THEY GONNA SPEAK WITH VOTERS WHO SAID PORT THE PRESIDENT AND GET THEM UP EVEN MORE. >> THE FINAL MINUTES I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT WHERE YOU SEE JOE BIDEN'S BIGGEST VULNERABILITY. YOU HAVE PRESIDENT TRUMP TONIGHT WITH A BUSINESS PARTNER , HUNTER BIDEN. HE'S BEEN ATTEMPTING TO PUSH, AS YOU KNOW THESE DEBUNKED ALLEGATIONS AND FRAUDULENT ACTIVITIES BY THE FAMILY. I WONDER, AS WE LOOK AT THE LANDSCAPE WE HAVE AMY CONEY BARRETT ON THE VERGE OF CONFIRMATION IT APPEARS . AS A SUPREME COURT JUSTICE. WHAT IS YOUR TAKE ON THOSE AREAS THAT THE PRESIDENT SHOULD BE FOCUSING IN ON? WHEN YOU LOOK AT JOE BIDEN'S VULNERABILITIES AS WELL. WHAT ARE THOSE AREAS YOU SEE IN PLACES THE PRESIDENT SHOULD FOCUS HIS EFFORTS? >> A LINE OF ATTACK SIMILAR WHAT WE SAW FROM MIKE PENCE IN HIS DEBATE AGAINST KAMALA HARRIS A FEW WEEKS AGO. THAT IS TO TRY AND TAG JOE B■IDEN AS A LIBERAL, OUT OF TOUCH PROGRESSIVE WHOSE POLICIES WILL TAKE AMERICA IN A FUNDAMENTALLY BAD DIRECTION WHEN IT COMES TO THE ECONOMY. ONE IMPERATIVE IS TO TIE HIS OPPONENT TO THE FAR PROGRESSIVE LEFT. YOU SAW HIM TRY TO DO THAT IN PENNSYLVANIA THE OTHER DAY TALKING ABOUT JOE BIDEN'S OPPOSITION TO FRACKING. THE SECOND ORDER IT WILL BE IMPORTANT FOR HIM TO DROP CONTRAST IN TERMS OF ENERGY AND COMPETENCY. THAT'S A HARD SELL. A LOT OF PEOPLE KNOW JOE BIDEN HAS A LOT OF EXPERIENCE IN GOVERNMENT. IT IS FUNDAMENTALLY ABOUT THE COMPETENCY FOR 47 YEARS, JOE BIDEN HAS BEEN IN PUBLIC LIFE, YOU'VE HEARD THIS LINE AND HE HAS NOT GOTTEN A LOT ACCOMPLISHED. IS CONTRASTING THE PRESIDENT'S ACCOMPLISHMENTS OVER THE LAST FEW YEARS AND BIDEN OVER HIS 47 YEARS IN PUBLIC LIFE. AS TRYING TO POINT TO JOE BIDEN AS AN ELEMENT IN WASHINGTON. WE ARE STILL IN A POINT WHERE OUTSIDERS ARE FAVORED TO A CERTAIN DEGREE. OF THOSE WILL BE THE STRONGEST PLACES THE PRESIDENT WILL GO. WHETHER HE GETS THERE OR WILL BE SUCCESSFUL, WE WILL HAVE TO SEE. >> GOOD TO HAVE YOU, THANK YOU VERY MUCH. >> NEW RULES FOR TONIGHT'S DEBATE WILL CUTTING OFF THE CANDIDATES MICROPHONE HELP OR HURT THE CANDIDATE? FORMER SENIOR ADVISOR TO HILLARY CLINTON WILL BE HERE TO GIVE US HIS TAKE. STAY WITH US. YOU ARE STREAMING RED AND BLUE. >> HOPEFULLY HE WILL PLAY BY THE RULES AND HE'S BEEN TESTED AND IS ALL BACK TO WHERE THE RULES ARE I'M LOOKING FORWARD TO THIS, THANK YOU. >> THAT WAS JOE BIDEN ON HIS WAY TO NASHVILLE EARLIER TODAY. AS WE MENTIONED, ONE OF THOSE NEW RULES IS CUTTING THE MICROPHONE OF THE CANDIDATE NOT SPEAKING IN ORDER TO ENSURE NO INTERRUPTION. IT WILL GO INTO EFFECT AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH 15 MINUTE SEGMENT. FORMER ASSISTANT SECRETARY OF STATE AND SENIOR ADVISOR TO HILLARY CLINTON, JOINS US NOW TO TALK MORE ABOUT WHAT WE EXPECT TONIGHT. GOOD TO SEE YOU AGAIN, THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US. HOW DO YOU EXPECT THIS MUTED MICROPHONE SET UP TO WORK? >> I THINK IT WILL BE A DOOZY. I THINK IT MIGHT BACKFIRE FOR A SIMPLE REASON. THE DEBATE IS IN SIX 15 MINUTE SEGMENTS. THE FIRST FOUR MINUTES ARE GOING TO HAVE THIS MUTING SITUATION WHERE THE PERSON NOT SPEAKING WILL NOT BE ABLE TO BE HEARD. THE PROBLEM IS YOU TELL SOMEONE THAT'S FOUR MINUTES HAVE TO BEHAVE FOR THE OTHER 11 MINUTES YOU CAN DO WHAT YOU WANT. SURE, IT WILL KEEP DONALD TRUMP IN CHECK WHILE IT'S BEEN USED BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT THE 66 MINUTES OF THE 90 ARE GOING TO GO ANY BETTER. IF HE'S INTENT ON RAILING AGAINST JOE BIDEN, THEN HE'S GOING TO FIND A WAY TO DO IT NO MATTER HOW MANY BUTTONS THE MODERATOR AND PRODUCERS HAVE. >> THE PRESIDENT IS BRINGING A FORMER BUSINESS PARTNER OF HUNTER BIDEN. THEN CANDIDATE, DONALD TRUMP BROUGHT ACCUSERS OF FORMER PRESIDENT BILL CLINTON TO THE 2016 DEBATE AGAINST HILLARY CLINTON. WHO DO YOU THINK THIS STRATEGY PLAYS TO? >> I DON'T THINK DONALD TRUMP HAS BEEN ONE TONY BOGLE IS THE AWAY FROM TURNING THE RACE AROUND. I HAVE NOT HEARD THE NAME BEFORE . MAYBE HE SHOULD'VE BROUGHT IN EPIDEMIOLOGIST WITH HIM OR SOMEONE WE COULD POINT TO AND SOMEONE I'M NOW TAKING ADVICE FROM AN THEY CAN HELP WITH COVID. I DON'T THINK THE 70 OR 80 OR 90 OR 100 PEOPLE WATCHING WANT TO HEAR ABOUT THIS GUY. IT COMES OUT OF THE JUNGLE OF DONALD TRUMP WEATHER IS MUTED OR UN-MUTED HE HAS IT CHANCE TO START SPEWING THIS HUNTER BIDEN STUFF. IT WON'T BE COHERENT TO THE LISTENER. HE'S BEEN DOING THIS FOR A YEAR. HE WAS IMPEACHED OVER THIS. HE'S IN THE PREDICAMENT HE'S IN WITH 11 DAYS TO GO. IT'S BEYOND DOUBLING DOWN. HE'S QUADRUPLING IT DOWN. IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK. >> FIGHTING THE CORONAVIRUS IS ONE OF THE TOPICS TONIGHT. WHILE CAMPAIGNING IN PHILADELPHIA, FORMER PRESIDENT OBAMA SLAMMED THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION'S RESPONSE. WHEEL PLAY A LITTLE OF THAT. >> WE LEFT THIS WHITE HOUSE A PANDEMIC PLAYBOOK. THAT WOULD'VE SHOWN THEM HOW TO RESPOND BEFORE THE VIRUS REACHED OUR SURE. THEY PROBABLY USED IT TO PROP UP A WALL OR WE DON'T KNOW WHERE THE PLAYBOOK WENT. EIGHT MONTHS INTO THE PANDEMIC, CASES ARE RISING AGAIN ACROSS THIS COUNTRY. DONALD TRUMP IS NOT GOING TO PROTECT ALL OF US. HE CAN'T EVEN TAKE THE BASIC STEPS TO PROTECT HIMSELF. >> AS YOU KNOW SINCE THE LAST DEBATE PRESIDENT TRUMP AND MANY PEOPLE TESTED POSITIVE FOR THE CORONAVIRUS. HOW MIGHT THE CONVERSATION ABOUT COVID-19 BE DIFFERENT TONIGHT BECAUSE OF THAT? >> I THINK ON THE QUESTION OF HELP, IT WILL BE UP TO THE MODERATOR. OTHER THAN A GLANCING REFERENCE OR A GLANCING BLOW. I'M NOT SURE JOE BIDEN IS GOING TO SAY WELL, YOU ARE THE ONE THAT'S BEEN IN THE HOSPITAL FOR FOUR DAYS AND ON A COCKTAIL OF EXPERIMENTAL MEDICATION. IF THE MODERATOR COMES OUT THE GATE THE WAY HER COLIC, GUTHRIE DID WHEN SHE INTERVIEWED DONALD TRUMP IMPRESSED HIM ON SPECIFICS DID YOU HAVE PNEUMONIA AND WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU TESTED. THAT MIGHT BE AN EFFECTIVE WAY TO DO IT BUT I'M NOT SURE THAT'S ON THE TIP OF THE MODERATORS TONGUE. IF DONALD TRUMP GOES AFTER JOE BIDEN ON COVID, AND HE DOES WHAT HE DID LAST TIME SAYING THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION BLUE HANDLING SARS. I THINK YOU MIGHT HERE JOE BIDEN ECHO WHAT PRESIDENT OBAMA SAID OR JUST SAY AS PRESIDENT OBAMA SAID YESTERDAY. THERE'S NO ONE THAT MAKES DONALD TRUMP SEE RED THAN BARACK OBAMA. NO ONE IS UNDER THE SKIDS MORE. IN OUR FINAL 20 SECONDS. CONFIDENT OR NOT CONFIDENT DEMOCRATS FEELING RIGHT NOW? >> I THINK THEY SHOULD LET THEMSELVES FEEL CONFIDENT. I WAS AROUND FOUR YEARS AGO. A LOT OF US AROUND. WE SHOULD NOT LIVE IN FEAR AND PARALYSIS FOR 2016. A DIFFERENT SITUATION. THERE ARE NO THIRD PARTIES, HAVING A HARDER TIME FINDING THE OPPONENT NEGATIVELY. PEOPLE ARE FORGETTING WE'VE HAD TWO THINGS SINCE ONE IS 2018 WHICH DID NOT GO WELL FOR REPUBLICANS AND NOW DONALD TRUMP HAS SOMETHING NOW HE DIDN'T HAVE AND THAT'S A RECORD. IT'S ABYSMAL. THIS MIHT BE A SIMPLE AS PEOPLE WANTING TO GET RID OF HIM. FIRST TIME THEY HAVE A CHANCE TO FIRE HIM. DOESN'T MEAN THE FIRST DAY THEY WOULD HAVE. >> SORRY TO CUT YOU OFF WERE COMING UP TO THE TOP OF THE HOUR THE FINAL DEBATE BETWEEN PRESIDENT TRUMP AND JOE BIDEN ABOUT TO GET STARTED. LET'S GO THIS IS THE MOST IMPO ELECTION IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY. >> THE FINAL PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. MIKE GOOD EVENING I AM NORA O'DONNELL. DALE KING AND IN A FEW MINUTES THAT CANDIDATES WILL FACE UP IN THE FINAL TIME. YOU'RE LOOKING AT LIVE PICTURES IN DELMA UNIVERSITY IN NASHVILLE, TENNESSEE. IT SHOWS JOE BIDEN LEADING IN EVERY ONE OF THE SWING STATES. 12 DAYS WAY. WE ARE LOOKING AT RECORDS BROKEN ALREADY. 50 MILLION AMERICANS HAVE BEEN CAST. >> A LOT OF PEOPLE DESIST TRUMP'S LAST OPPORTUNITY TO GO FACE TO FACE. AS YOU REMEMBER THE SECOND DEBATE WAS CANCELED WHEN TESTED POSITIVE FOR COVID-19. EACH CANDIDATE HELD AN INDIVIDUAL TOWN HALL ONE WEEK AGO AND BOTH WERE TAME COMPARED TO THAT FIRST MEETING WHICH YOU CAN DESCRIBE AS AN OVER-THE-TOP MARRED BY IMPORTANT INTERRUPTED ORGANIZERS TO CUT THE MICROPHONES. TONIGHT WHILE ONE CANDIDATE IS ANSWERING A QUESTION FOR TWO MINUTES, THE OTHER CANDIDATES MICROPHONE WILL BE MUTED. THE MODERATOR KRISTEN WELKER HAS CHOSEN SIX TOPICS FIGHTING COVID-19 AMERICAN FAMILIES, RACE IN AMERICA CLIMATE CHANGE, NATIONAL SECURITY AND LEADERSHIP. LEADING UP TO THE DEBATE , HE PREPARED WHILE HE STATED DELAWARE AND THE PRESIDENT HELD IN BETWEEN RALLIES. >> WE WANT TO BRING IN THE CALL KILLING. GOOD EVENING, NICHOLE. >> THE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT WILL USE THIS EVENING IS ANOTHER OPPORTUNITY TO SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THE PEOPLE AND HE LAID OUT HIS AGENDA. THEY USE THIS IS A TEST OF PRESIDENTIAL TEMPERAMENT AND BIDEN IS PREPARED FOR WHATEVER COMES HIS WAY DID YOU EXPECT WILL GO OUT BIDEN AND HIS SON, HUNTER THEY THINK IT WILL BACKFIRE. HE TOLD REPORTERS HE HOPES THE PRESIDENT PLAYED BY THE RULES. NORA? OKAY LET'S BRING IN PAULA REID SHE COVERS THE WHITE HOUSE. PAULA? >> PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS LITTLE PREPARATION. HE SAID, THIS WEEK HE INSISTS HE GETS PLENTY OF PRACTICE BY FIELDING QUESTIONS FROM THE REPORT THERE IS NEARLY DAILY. AS SENIOR CAMPAIGN OFFICIALS SAY HE WILL TRY TO FOCUS ON THE DISCUSSION ON BIDEN'S SON HUNTER. THEY ENCOURAGED THE PRESIDENT TO LET HIS OPPONENT SPEAK MORE THAN HE DID LAST TIME IN THE HOPE THAT HE WILL MAKE SOME MISTAKES. NORA? WE ARE MOMENTS AWAY AND JOHN DICKERSON, CAN ANYTHING THAT HAPPENS CHANGE THE TRAJECTORY OF THIS RACE. >> IT IS GUARANTEED TO HAVE HUGE LEADERSHIP IF IT CAN, TONIGHT IS THE NIGHT. >> NASHVILLE, TENNESSEE. I AM KRISTEN WELKER, NBC NEWS I WELCOME YOU TO THE FINAL 2020 PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE BETWEEN RESIDENT DONALD TRUMP AND FORMER VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN. IT IS SPONSORED BY THE COMMISSION ON DEBATES. IS CONDUCTED UNDER HEALTH AND SAFETY PROTOCOL DESIGNED BY THE COMMISSION HEALTH SECURITY ADVISER. THE AUDIENCE HERE HAS PROMISED TO REMAIN SILENT. IF TEARS OR OTHER INTERRUPTIONS EXCEPT RIGHT NOW WE WELCOME JOE BIDEN AND PRESIDENT DONALD J TRUMP. >> I SEE VERY GOOD EVENING TO YOU BOTH. WILL COVER SIX MAJOR TOPICS AT THE BEGINNING OF EACH SECTION EACH CANDIDATE WILL HAVE TWO MINUTES AND IT DIRECTED TO ANSWER MY FIRST QUESTION. THE DEBATE MISSION WILL TURN ON MICROPHONE WHEN IT IS THEIR TURN TO ANSWER. THE COMMISSION WILL TURN IT OFF WHEN TWO MINUTES HAVE EXPIRED. AFTER THAT BOTH MICROPHONES WILL REMAIN ON. I WILL ASK YOU TO PLEASE SPEAK ONE AT A TIME. THE GOAL IS FOR YOU TO HEAR EACH OTHER AND FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO HEAR EVERY WORD OF WHAT YOU BOTH HAVE TO SAY. WITH THAT, IF YOU ARE READY LET'S START. WE WILL BEGIN THE FIGHT AGAINST THE CORONAVIRUS. PRESIDENT TRUMP IT IS FOR YOU. THE COUNTRIES HEADING INTO A DANGEROUS NEW PHASE MORE THAN 40,000 AMERICANS ARE IN THE HOSPITAL WITH COVID-19, INCLUDING RECORD NUMBERS HERE. YOU LAST SHEARED A STAGE, 60,000 AMERICANS HAVE DIED. BE SPECIFIC. HOW WOULD YOU LEAD THE COUNTRY DURING THIS NEXT STAGE OF THE CORONAVIRUS CRISIS. >> AS YOU KNOW, 2.2 MILLION PEOPLE, WE SAY THEY WERE EXPECTED TO DIE. WE CLOSED UP THE GREATEST ECONOMY IN THE WORLD IN ORDER TO FIGHT THIS HORRIBLE DISEASE THAT CAME FROM CHINA. IT IS A WORLDWIDE PANDEMIC. ALL OVER THE WORLD YOU SEE SPIKES IN EUROPE AND OTHER PLACES NOW. IF YOU NOTICE THE MORTALITY RATE IS DOWN 85%. THE EXCESS MORTALITY RATE IS WAY DOWN AND MUCH LOWER THAN ALMOST ANY OTHER COUNTRY. WE ARE FIGHTING IT HARD. THERE IS A SPIKE THERE WAS A SPIKE IN FLORIDA IT IS GONE. THERE WAS A SPIKE IN TEXAS IT IS GONE. THERE WAS A SPIKE IN ARIZONA. IT IS NOW GONE. THERE WERE SPIKES AND SURGES IN OTHER PLACES. WE HAVE A VACCINE COMING IT IS READY. IT IS GOING TO BE ANNOUNCED WITHIN WEEKS. IT WILL BE DELIVERED. WE HAVE OPERATION WARP SPEED WHICH IS MILITARY TO DISTRIBUTE THE VACCINE. I CAN TELL YOU FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE, I WAS IN THE HOSPITAL. I GOT BETTER. I WILL TELL YOU I HAVE SOMETHING THEY GAVE ME. IT WAS A THERAPEUTIC SOME PEOPLE WOULD SAY, IT WAS A CURE. I WAS IN FOR A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. I GOT BETTER FAST. NOW THEY SAY, I AM IMMUNE. NOBODY HAS BEEN ABLE TO SAY. I AM IMMUNE. MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ARE GETTING BETTER. WE HAVE A PROBLEM THAT IS A WORLDWIDE PROBLEM. THIS IS A WORLDWIDE PROBLEM. I HAVE BEEN CONGRATULATED ON THE HEADS OF MANY COUNTRIES ON WHAT WE HAVE BEEN ABLE TO DO. IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT WE HAVE DONE IN TERMS OF MASKS AND GOWNS AND EVERYTHING ELSE, AND VENTILATORS. WE ARE MAKING VENTILATORS THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS. DISTRIBUTING THEM ALL OVER THE WORLD. IT WILL GO AWAY. WE'RE ROUNDING THE TURN AND CORNER. IT IS GOING AWAY. >> HOW WOULD YOU LEAD THE COUNTRY OUT OF THIS CRISIS? YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES. >> 220,000 AMERICANS DEAD. IF YOU HAVE NOTHING ELSE TO SAY TONIGHT, HERE THIS. ANYONE RESPONSIBLE FOR NOT TAKING CONTROL IN FACT NOT SAYING I TAKE NO RESPONSIBILITY INITIALLY. ANYONE RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT MANY DEATHS SHOULD NOT REMAIN AS PRESIDENT. WE ARE IN A SITUATION WHERE THERE THOUSANDS OF DEATHS A DAY, NOW. 1000 DEATHS A DAY. THERE ARE OVER 70,000 NEW CASES PER DAY. COMPARED TO WHAT IS GOING ON IN EUROPE, AS THE NEW ENGLAND MEDICAL JOURNAL SAID THEY HAVE A LOW RATE WE ARE STARTING A HIGH RATE. THE EXPECTATION WILL HAVE ANOTHER 200,000 AMERICANS DEAD BETWEEN NOW AND THE END DEAR. THE PRESIDENT'S OWN ADVISER SAID WEAR A MASK YOU CAN SAVE 100,000 LIVES. WE ARE IN A CIRCUMSTANCE WHERE THE PRESIDENT STILL HAS NO PLAN. NO, NOT THE PLAN. WHAT I WOULD DO IS MAKE SURE WE HAVE EVERYONE ENCOURAGED TO WEAR A MASK ALL THE TIME. I WOULD MAKE SURE WE MOVE IN THIS DIRECTION A RAPID TESTING. I WOULD MAKE SURE TO SET UP NATIONAL STANDARDS HOW TO OPEN UP SCHOOLS AND OPEN UP BUSINESSES, SO THEY CAN BE SAFE. GIVE THEM THE FINANCIAL RESOURCES TO DO THAT. WE'RE IN A SITUATION NOW, WHERE THE NEW ENGLAND MEDICAL JOURNAL ONE OF THE MOST SERIOUS JOURNALS INTO WHOLE WORLD, SAID FOR THE FIRST TIME EVER, THE WEIGHT THIS PRESIDENT HAS RESPONDED HUSBAND ABSOLUTELY TRAGIC. SO, I WILL TAKE CARE OF THIS. I WILL END THIS I WILL MAKE SURE WE HAVE A PLAN. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP I WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW UP WITH YOU YOU TALKED ABOUT TAKING A THERAPEUTIC. HE ALSO SAID, A VACCINE WILL BE COMING WITHIN WEEKS. IS THAT GUARANTEED? >> NO. IT'S NOT A GUARANTEE. IT HAS A GOOD CHANCE WITHIN A MATTER WEEKS. IT WILL BE DISTRIBUTED QUICKLY. >> CAN YOU TELL US WHICH COMPANY? >> JOHNSON & JOHNSON IS DOING VERY WELL PFIZER IS DOING VERY WELL AND WE HAVE NUMEROUS OTHERS. REVELERS WE ARE WORKING ON CLOSELY WITH OTHER COUNTRIES. IN PARTICULAR, EUROPE. >> THIS IS NEW INFORMATION. IS THAT IT'S COMING WITHIN WEEKS. YOUR OFFICIALS SAID IT COULD TAKE 2021. EVEN THEN, THEY SAID THE COUNTRY WILL BE WEARING MASKS AND DISTANCING INTO 2022. >> I THINK MY TIMELINE WILL BE MORE ACCURATE. I DON'T THINK THEY ARE COUNTING ON THE MILITARY THE WAY I DO. WE HAVE GENERALS LINED UP, ONE IN PARTICULAR THAT IS THE HEAD OF LOGISTICS. THIS IS EASY FOR HIM. HE'S READY TO GO. WE EXPECT OUR 100 MILLION VIALS AS SOON AS WE HAVE THE VACCINE HE'S READY TO GO. >> VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN. 40% OF AMERICANS THEY WOULD TAKE A VACCINE, IF IT WAS APPROVED BY THE GOVERNMENT. WHAT STEPS WOULD YOU TAKE TO GIVE AMERICANS CONFIDENCE. >> HAVE THE SCIENCE AND WE WILL SEE IT, KNOW IT AND LOOK AT IT GO TO THE PROCESSES. BY THE WAY, HE TOLD YOU THIS WILL BE OVER BY EASTER. HE TOLD YOU DON'T WORRY. WE'LL HAVE THIS OVER BY THE SUMMER. WE ARE ABOUT TO GO INTO A DARK WINTER. HE HAS NO CLEAR PLAN. NO PROSPECT THAT THERE WILL BE A VACCINE AVAILABLE FOR THE MAJORITY OF AMERICANS. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP? >> WE ARE OPENING UP OUR COUNTRY . WE HAVE LEARNED AND STUDIED AND UNDERSTAND THE DISEASE. WHEN I CLOSED AND BANNED CHINA FROM COMING IN HEAVILY INFECTED. AND ULTIMATELY EUROPE JANUARY MONTHS LATER SHE SAID I WAS PHOBIC. NOW HE SAYS, OH I SHOULD HAVE MOVED QUICKER. BUT HE DID NOT MOVE QUICKER. HE WAS MONTHS BEHIND ME. MANY MONTHS BEHIND ME. FRANKLY, HE RAN THE H1N1 SWINE FLU IT WAS A DISASTER, FAR LESS LETHAL. HAD THAT HAD THIS KIND OF NUMBERS, 700,000 PEOPLE, WOULD BE DEAD NOW. THAT WAS A FAR LESS LETHAL DISEASE. LOOK. HIS PERSON THAT RAN IT FOR HIM, AS YOU KNOW, WAS HIS CHIEF OF STAFF, SAID IT WAS CATASTROPHIC . IT WAS HORRIBLE WE DID NOT KNOW WHAT WE WERE DOING. NOW SHE TELLS US HOW TO DO THIS. EVERYTHING HE SAID EVERY SINGLE MOVE HE SAID WE SHOULD MAKE, THAT'S WHAT WE HAVE DONE. WE'VE DONE ALL OF THAT HE WAS WAY BEHIND US. >> HE IS XENOPHOBIC BUT NOT BECAUSE HE SHUT DOWN ACCESS FROM CHINA. HE DID IT LATE. HE MADE SURE WE HAD 44 PEOPLE IN THERE, IN CHINA, TRYING TO DETERMINE WHAT EXACTLY THIS SOURCE WAS. WHAT DID HE SAY IN JANUARY? NO. HE IS TRANSPARENT. WE OWE HIM A DEBT OF GRATITUDE. WE HAVE TO THANK HIM. WE STARTED TALKING ABOUT USING THE DEFENSE ACT TO GET WHATEVER IS NEEDED, TO PROTECT PEOPLE. AND I GO BACK TO THIS. HE DID VIRTUALLY NOTHING. HE GETS OUT OF THE HOSPITAL. HE TALKS ABOUT DON'T WORRY IT WILL BE OVER SOON. COME ON. THERE'S NOT A SCIENTIST IN THE WORLD THAT THINKS SO. >> WE HAVE NO CHOICE. WE CANNOT LOCK OURSELVES UP IN A BASEMENT. HE HAS THE ABILITY TO LOCK HIMSELF UP. HE MADE A LOT OF MONEY SOMEPLACE. HE HAS THIS THING ABOUT LIVING IN A BASEMENT. PEOPLE CANNOT DO THAT. I ASKED THE PRESIDENT CANNOT DO THAT. I WOULD LOVE TO BE IN A BEAUTIFUL ROOM IN THE WHITE HOUSE AND BE AWAY FOR A YEAR BEFORE IT GOES AWAY. EVERY MEETING I HAD AND I MEET A LOT OF FAMILIES AND MILITARY FAMILIES COME EVERY MEETING I HAVE, I DO MEET THEM. I SAID, YOU KNOW? THIS IS DANGEROUS. YOU CATCH IT. I CAUGHT IT AND I LEARNED A LOT. GREAT DOCTORS AND HOSPITALS. NOW, I RECOVERED. 99.9 OF YOUNG PEOPLE RECOVER. 99% OF PEOPLE RECOVER. WE HAVE TO RECOVER. WE CANNOT CLOSE OUR NATION. WE CAN'T CLOSE OUR NATION. WE WILL NOT HAVE A NATION. >> PEOPLE CAN GET SICK WITH COVID-19. BIDEN, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT STRATEGY. >> HE SAYS, WE ARE LEARNING TO LIVE WITH IT. PEOPLE ARE LEARNING TO DIE WITH IT. PEOPLE HAVE EMPTY CHAIRS AT THE KITCHEN TABLE. THEY ARE REACHING OVER TO TOUCH OUT OF HABIT, WHERE THE WIFE OR HUSBAND WAS. LEARNING TO LIVE WITH IT. COME ON WE ARE DYING WITH IT. HE NEVER SAID, WHEN IS IT? YOU TELL THE PEOPLE IT'S DANGEROUS NOW? WHAT DO WE DO ABOUT THE DANGER? HE SAYS, I TAKE NO RESPONSIBILITY. >> I TAKE FULL RESPONSIBILITY. IT IS NOT MY FAULT IT CAME HERE. IT'S THE FALL TO CHINA. IT DOESN'T JOE'S FAULT IT IS CHINA'S FAULT. THEY KEPT HER FROM GOING TO THE REST OF CHINA. THEY THEN KEEP IT FROM GOING OUT TO THE WORLD INCLUDING EUROPE, AND OURSELVES. >> WHEN WE KNEW IT WAS COMING WHEN IT HIT, WHAT HAPPENED? WHAT DID THE PRESIDENT SAY? HE SAID DON'T WORRY. IT WILL BE GONE BY EASTER. DON'T WORRY. A LOT OF PEOPLE THOUGHT HE WAS SERIOUS. A WHOLE RANGE OF THINGS HE SAID. EVEN TODAY, HE THINKS WE ARE IN CONTROL. WE ARE ABOUT TO LOSE 200,000 MORE PEOPLE. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP. >> JUST TO FINISH THIS, WHEN I CLOSE, HE SAID I SHOULD NOT HAVE CLOSED. THAT WENT ON FOR MONTHS. WHAT NANCY PELOSI SAID, THE SAME THING. SHE WAS DANCING IN THE STREETS OF CHINATOWN, IN SAN FRANCISCO. I THINK HE CALLED ME RACIST, I WAS CLOSING TO CHINA. NOW HE SAYS, I SHOULD HAVE CLOSED IT EARLIER. >> I DIDN'T SAY ANY OF THOSE THINGS. IT WASN'T ABOUT CLOSING THE BORDER TO CHINESE COME INTO THE UNITED STATES. >> I WANT TO TALK ABOUT YOUR STRATEGIES. DO YOU WANT TO RESPOND? LET'S TALK ABOUT YOUR STRATEGY FOR DEALING WITH THIS? YOU SUPPORTED SHUTDOWNS IF SCIENTISTS RECOMMENDED IT. WHAT DO YOU SAY ABOUT THE IMPACT ON THE ECONOMY? DEPRESSION, DOMESTIC AND SEX ABUSE OUTWEIGHS THE RISK OF EXPOSURE TO THE VIRUS. >> I WANT TO SHUT DOWN THE VIRUS NOT THE COUNTRY. INEPTITUDE CAUSED THE COUNTRY TO SHUT DOWN IN LARGE PART. SCHOOLS HAVE CLOSED AND PEOPLE HAVE LOST THEIR LIVING AND THEY ARE CONCERNS. THAT'S WHY YOU SHOULD HAVE NOT BEEN IN A SAND TRAP. HE SHOULD HAVE BEEN NEGOTIATING WITH NANCY PELOSI ABOUT WHAT TO DO ABOUT THE ACTS THEY WERE PASSING FOR BILLIONS TO MAKE SURE PEOPLE HAVE THE CAPACITY. >> I'M NOT SHUTTING DOWN. LOOK, STANDARDS. IF YOU HAVE A REPRODUCTION RATE IN THE COMMUNITY THAT'S ABOVE A CERTAIN LEVEL, EVERYBODY SO SLOW UP. MORE SOCIAL DISTANCING. DON'T OPEN BARS AND GYMNASIUMS. DON'T OPEN UNTIL YOU GET THIS UNDER MORE CONTROL. GIVE PEOPLE THE CAPACITY TO OPEN AND OPEN SAFELY. SCHOOLS NEED A LOT OF MONEY TO OPEN. THEY NEED SMALLER CLASSES. MORE PODS AND TEACHERS. >> LET'S TALK ABOUT SCHOOLS. PLEASE, DESMET >> ONLY DOES A THOUGHT ABOUT SHUTDOWNS. THESE DEMOCRATIC GOVERNORS AND YOU LOOK AT WHAT IS GOING ON IN CALIFORNIA. LOOK AT PENNSYLVANIA AND NORTH CAROLINA, DEMOCRATS ALL. THEY ARE SHUT DOWN SO TIGHT THAT THEY ARE DYING. THERE DYING. HE SUPPORTS THESE PEOPLE. ALL HE TALKS ABOUT IS SHUT DOWN. WE HAVE TO OPEN SCHOOLS. I HAVE A YOUNG SON. HE TESTED POSITIVE. BY THE TIME I SPOKE TO THE DOCTOR HE WAS FINE. IT WENT AWAY. YOUNG PEOPLE. >> YOU DEMANDED SCHOOLS OPEN IN PERSON. JUST YESTERDAY THEY MOVED ENTIRELY ONLINE AFTER A CORONAVIRUS BIKE. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO PARENTS THAT ARE WORRIED ABOUT YOUNG PEOPLE BEING IN DANGER. >> THE TRANSMITTER RATE IS VERY SMALL. WE HAVE TO OPEN OUR COUNTRY. WE WILL NOT HAVE A COUNTRY. WE CANNOT KEEP THIS COUNTRY CLOSED. THIS IS A MASSIVE COUNTRY WITH A MASSIVE ECONOMY. PEOPLE ARE LOSING JOBS. THEY ARE COMMITTING SUICIDE. THERE IS ALCOHOL, DRUGS AND DEPRESSION AT A LEVEL, NOBODY HAS SEEN BEFORE. THERE IS ABUSE, TREMENDOUS ABUSE. THE CURE CAN'T BE WORSE THAN THE PROBLEM, IT'S OUT. THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING. HE WILL CLOSE DOWN THE COUNTRY OF ONE PERSON IN OUR MASSIVE BUREAUCRACY SAYS WE SHOULD CLOSE IT DOWN. >> THAT'S NOT TRUE. YOU HAVE TO BE ABLE TO WALK AND CHEW GUM, AT THE SAME TIME WE HAVE TO BE SAFELY OPEN. WE NEED TO BE ABLE TO FOR EXAMPLE, HAVE SOCIAL DISTANCING WITHIN THE BUSINESS. IF YOU HAVE A RESTAURANT YOU NEED TO HAVE PLEXIGLAS DIVIDERS SO PEOPLE CANNOT INFECT EACH OTHER. YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO TAKE TESTING RAPIDLY. KNOW IF THEY ARE IN FACT INFESTED. YOU NEED TO BE ABLE TO PROVIDE RESOURCES THAT ARE NEEDED TO DO THIS. THAT'S NOT CONSISTENT WITH SAYING WE WILL MAKE SURE WE OPEN SAFELY AND BY THE WAY, TEACHERS OUT THERE. NOT THAT MANY OF YOU WILL DIE. DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. DON'T WORRY ABOUT IT. >> PRESIDENTS UP LET'S FOLLOW UP WITH YOU. >> NEW YORK IS A GHOST TOWN. IT'S A GHOST TOWN. WHEN YOU TALK ABOUT PLEXIGLAS, THESE ARE DYING RESTAURANTS. THEY HAVE NO MONEY. IT IS UNBELIEVABLY EXPENSIVE. IT IS NOT THE ANSWER. YOU HAVE TO SIT THERE, AND THE CUBICLE. YOU CANNOT DO THAT TO PEOPLE. YOU JUST CAN'T. TAKE A LOOK AT NEW YORK AND TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT HAS HAPPENED TO MY WONDERFUL CITY. IT IS DYING AND EVERYBODY'S LEAVING NEW YORK. >> LOOK AT NEW YORK AND HOW THEY HAVE TURNED THE CURVE DOWN. BLUE STATES AND RED STATES. THEY ARE ALL UNITED STATES. LOOK AT THE STATES THAT ARE HAVING A SPIKE. THEY ARE THE RED STATES. THEY ARE THE STATES IN THE MIDWEST AND UPPER MIDWEST. THEY ARE ALL AMERICANS. THERE ALL AMERICANS. WE HAVE TO SAY, WHERE THESE MASKS, MAKE SURE WE GET THE HELP THE BUSINESSES NEED. THE MONEY HAS BEEN PASSED TO DO THAT. IT HAS BEEN OUT THERE SINCE THE BEGINNING OF SUMMER. NOTHING HAS HAPPENED. >> THEY HAVE LOST MORE THAN 11,000 PEOPLE TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING IN PENNSYLVANIA. TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH YOUR FRIEND IN MICHIGAN. HER HUSBAND IS STILL ALLOWED TO DO ANYTHING. IT HAS BEEN LIKE A PRISON. THAT'S UNCONSTITUTIONAL. LOOK AT NORTH CAROLINA. THEY ARE GETTING KILLED FINANCIALLY. WE CANNOT LET THAT HAPPEN, JOE. WE HAVE TO OPEN. WE UNDERSTAND THE DISEASE. WE HAVE TO PROTECT OUR ELDERLY. WE HAVE TO PROTECT SENIORS WITH DIABETES AND HEART PROBLEMS. WE HAVE THE BEST TESTING IN THE WORLD BY FAR. >> LET ME FOLLOW UP BEFORE WE MOVE ON. THE NATIONS BEST KNOWN INFECTIOUS DISEASE DOCTOR. YOU DESCRIBED HIM AS IDIOTS. IF YOU'RE NOT LISTENING TO DR. FAUCI AND THEM WHO DO YOU LISTEN TO? >> HE DID SAY, DO NOT WEAR MASKS. SHE DID SAY, AS YOU KNOW, THIS IS NOT GOING TO BE A PROBLEM. I THINK HE IS A DEMOCRAT THAT'S OKAY. WE ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM, AT ALL. WHEN JOE SAYS, I SAID DR. ANTHONY FAUCI SAID AND MANY OTHERS I'M NOT KNOCKING HIM. NOBODY KNEW WHAT THIS WAS. NOBODY KNEW WHERE IT WAS COMING FROM. DR. FAUCI SAID DON'T WEAR A MASK. HERE ARE HIS EXACT WORDS. THIS WILL GO AWAY SOON. HE'S ALLOWED TO MAKE MISTAKES. HE'S A GOOD PERSON. >> MY RESPONSE IS THINK ABOUT WHAT THE PRESIDENT KNEW IN JANUARY AND DID NOT TELL THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. HE WAS TOLD IT WAS A SERIOUS VIRUS THAT SPREAD IN THE AIR. IT WAS MUCH WORSE THAN THE FLU. HE WENT ON RECORD AND SAID TO ONE OF YOUR COLLEAGUES, THAT IN FACT, HE KNEW HOW DANGEROUS IT WAS BUT HE DID NOT WANT TO TELL US. HE DID NOT WANT US TO PANIC. AMERICANS DON'T PANIC. HE PANICKED. IN THE MEANTIME, WE FIND OUT IN THE NEW YORK TIMES THE OTHER DAY, HIS FOLKS WALL STREET AND SAID THIS IS A REALLY DANGEROUS THING. A MEMO OUT OF THE MEETING FROM SOME BROKER SAID SELL SHORT. WE GOT TO GET MOVING. >> 30 SECONDS TO RESPOND THEN WE WILL MOVE ON. >> YOU ARE THE ONE THAT TAKES ALL THE MONEY FROM WALL STREET. YOU HAVE RAISED A LOT OF MONEY. EVERY TIME YOU RAISE MONEY, DEALS ARE MADE. I COULD RAISE A LOT OF MONEY AND AS SOMEBODY WHO KNOWS MOST OF THE MONEY BROUGHT I WOULD BLOW AWAY EVERY RECORD. I DON'T WANT TO DO THAT. IT PUTS ME IN A BAD POSITION. YOU SHOULDN'T BE BRINGING UP WALL STREET. YOU'RE THE ONE THAT TAKES MONEY FROM WALL STREET. I COULD BLOW AWAY YOUR RECORDS. WE DON'T NEED MONEY. HILLARY CLINTON RAISED A FRACTION OF THE MONEY THAT YOU DID. >> I DO WANT TO START WITH SECURITY OF OUR ELECTION AND BREAKING IT FROM OVERNIGHT. JUST LAST NIGHT INTELLIGENCE OFFICIALS SAID RUSSIANS AND I RUN IS WORKING TO INTERFERE. THESE OFFICIALS SAY IRAN SENT INTIMIDATING MESSAGE TO FLORIDA VOTERS. THIS GOES TO YOU. MR. VICE PRESIDENT WHAT WOULD YOU DO TO PUT AN END TO THIS THREAT? >> I MADE IT CLEAR. I MADE IT CLEAR, ANY COUNTRY THAT INTERFERES WITH AMERICAN ELECTIONS WILL PAY A PRICE. THEY WILL PAY A PRICE. IT HAS BEEN OVERWHELMINGLY CLEAR, I WON'T EVEN GET INTO THE LAST ONE. THIS ELECTION, RUSSIA HAS BEEN INVOLVED IN CHINA TO SOME DEGREE, NOW WE LEARN, IRAN HAS BEEN INVOLVED. THEY WILL PAY A PRICE. THERE IS FRIEND WITH AMERICAN SOVEREIGNTY. TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE, I DON'T THINK THE PRESIDENT SAID ANYTHING TO PUTIN ABOUT IT. I DON'T THINK HE SAID A WORD I DON'T KNOW WHY. I DON'T KNOW WHAT HE HAS RECENTLY SAID, IF ANYTHING. MY GUESS IS HE WOULD PROBABLY MORE ON SMOKING REGARDING IRANIANS. WE HAVE FOREIGN COUNTRIES TRYING TO INTERFERE WITH THE OUTCOME OF OUR ELECTION. HIS OWN SECURITY ADVISER TOLD HIM WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH HIS BUDDY, I WILL. HIS BUDDY RUDY GIULIANI IS USED AS A RUSSIAN POND. HE'S FED INFORMATION, THAT IS NOT TRUE. WHAT HAPPENED? NOTHING. THEN YOU FIND OUT EVERYTHING HAT'S GOING ON HERE ABO RUSSIA IS WANTING TO MAKE SURE I DO NOT GET ELECTED AS THE NEXT PRESIDENT BECAUSE THEY KNOW I KNOW THEM. THEY KNOW ME. I DON'T UNDERSTAND WHY THIS PRESIDENT IS UNWILLING TO TAKE THEM ON. HE IS PAYING BOUNTIES TO KILL AMERICAN SOLDIERS IN AFGHANISTAN. HE'S ENGAGED IN ACTIVITY THAT IS DESTABILIZING NATO. IT IS WORTH ASKING THE QUESTION. WHY IS THAT NOT DONE? ANY COUNTRY THAT INTERFERES WILL IN FACT, PAY A PRICE. THEY ARE AFFECTING OUR SOVEREIGNTY. >> PREXY SAME QUESTION TO YOU. YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES. THERE HAVE BEEN INTERFERENCE. WHAT WOULD YOU DO IN YOUR NEXT TERM TO END THIS? IT'S BEEN LET ME RESPOND TO THE FIRST PART. JOE GOT 3/2 MILLION DOLLARS FROM RUSSIA. HE WAS VERY FRIENDLY WITH THE FORMER MAYOR OF MOSCOW. HE GOT $3 MILLION. YOUR FAMILY DOCTOR AND HAVE MILLION DOLLARS. THAT'S SOMETHING YOU WOULD HAVE TO EXPLAIN. I NEVER GOT MONEY FROM RUSSIA. NOW, ABOUT YOUR THING LAST NIGHT. THAT IS THROUGH JOHN WHO IS FANTASTIC. HE SAID, THE ONE THING COMMON TO BOTH OF THEM, THEY BOTH WANT YOU TO LEAVE. BECAUSE THERE HAS BEEN NOBODY TOUGHER TO RUSSIA. NOBODY TOUGHER THAN ME ON RUSSIA. BETWEEN SANCTIONS AND BETWEEN WHAT I'VE DONE WITH NATO. I HAD NATO COUNTRIES FOR $20 BILLION A YEAR. WHILE HE WAS SELLING PILLOWS AND SHEETS, I SOLD GANGBUSTERS TO UKRAINE. THERE HAS BEEN NOBODY TOUGHER ON RUSSIA THAN DONALD TRUMP. THEY WERE SO BAD, THEY TOOK OVER THE SUBMARINE PORT. YOU REMEMBER THAT WELL. DURING YOUR TERM WITH BARACK OBAMA, THEY TOOK OVER WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN UKRAINE. YOU WERE GETTING A LOT OF MONEY FROM RUSSIA. THEY WERE PAYING YOU A LOT OF MONEY AND PROBABLY STILL ARE. NOW WITH WHAT CAME OUT TODAY IT IS WORSE. ALL OF THE HORRIBLE EMAILS AND THE MONEY YOU WERE RAKING IN. JOE, YOU ARE VICE PRESIDENT. IT SHOULD HAVE NEVER HAPPENED. I THINK YOU OWE AN EXPLANATION TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. SOMEBODY AT A NEWS CONFERENCE AND WAS WORKING WITH YOUR FAMILY. WHAT HE SAID WAS DAMNING. REGARDLESS OF ME, YOU NEED TO TALK TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. MAYBE YOU CAN DO IT NOW. >> VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN, YOU MAY RESPOND. >> I HAVE NOT TAKEN A PENNY FROM ANY FOREIGN SORES IN MY LIFE. WE LEARNED THIS PRESIDENT PAID 50 TIMES THE TAX AS A SECOND ACCOUNT WITH CHINA. HE DOES BUSINESS IN CHINA. HE'S TALKING ABOUT ME TAKING MONEY? I HAVE NOT TAKEN A SINGLE PENNY FROM ANY COUNTRY WHATSOEVER. EVER. THIS IS A PRESIDENT I RELEASED ALL MY TAX RETURNS. 22 YEARS. YOU HAVE NOT RELEASED A SINGLE SOLITARY YEAR OF YOUR RETURN. WHAT ARE YOU HIDING? WHY ARE YOU UNWILLING TO GO FOREIGN COUNTRIES ARE PAYING YOU, A LOT. RUSSIA AND CHINA ARE PAYING YOU A LOT AND HOTELS AND BUSINESSES ALL AROUND THE WORLD. CHINA IS BUILDING A NEW GOLF COURSE YOU HAVE OVERSEAS. WHAT IS GOING ON HERE. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP YOU MAY RESPOND. >> I WILL RELEASE THEM AS SOON AS WE CAN. IT WILL SHOW HOW GREAT THIS COMPANY IS. MUCH MORE IMPORTANTLY, PEOPLE WILL SAY $750. I ASKED OF THEM, WHAT DID I PAY? SIR, YOU PREPAY TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. OVER THE MILLIONS TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOLLARS I PREPAID. IT IS AN ESTIMATE THEY THINK I MAY HAVE TO PAY TAX. I PREPAID IT. NOBODY TOLD ME THAT. THEY KEEP TALKING ABOUT $750. I THINK THAT IS A FILING FEE. I PREPAID MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS IN TAXES. NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, I DO NOT MAKE MONEY FROM CHINA. I DO NOT MAKE MONEY FROM RUSSIA AND UKRAINE. YOU MADE OR HAVE MILLION DOLLARS, JOE. WE HAVE TO GIVE 10% TO THE BIG MAN. I DON'T KNOW. MAYBE YOU ARE NOT THE BIG MAN. YOU GIVE 10% TO THE BIG MAN AND IT JOE, WHAT IS THAT ABOUT? IT'S TERRIBLE. >> I WILL LET YOU BOTH RESPOND VERY QUICKLY. WHAT IS THE DEADLINE FOR YOU RELEASING THEM? >> DEEP DOWN IN THE IRS THEY TREAT ME HORRIBLY. WE MADE A DEAL. I GET TREATED VERY BADLY AND UNFAIRLY BY THE IRS. WE HAD A DEAL DONE. I WANT TO RELEASE IT BUT, I PAID MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. IT'S WORSE THAN HANGING. I PAID IN ADVANCE. >> I WANT TO RESCUE BOTH QUESTIONS ABOUT YOUR FOR AN ENTANGLEMENT. LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS BROADLY. RESPOND QUICKLY. >> HE HAS BEEN SAYING THIS FOR FOUR YEARS. SHOW US. STOP PLAYING AROUND. NOBODY KNOWS. WHAT THEY DO KNOW IS YOU ARE NOT PAYING YOUR TAXES OR YOU ARE PAYING TAXES THAT ARE SO LOW. HE SAID, A PAID-UP LITTLE BECAUSE I'M SMART. I KNOW HOW TO GAME THE SYSTEM. COME ON. COME ON, FOLKS. PRESIDENT TRUMP, -- >> I WAS PUT THROUGH PHONY WITCHHUNT FOR THREE YEARS. IT STARTED BEFORE I EVEN GOT ELECTED. NO PRESIDENT SHOULD EVER HAVE TO GO THROUGH, WHAT I WENT THROUGH. LET ME SAY THIS. 18 ANGRY DEMOCRATS AND FBI AGENTS ALL OVER THE PLACE SPENT $40 MILLION. THEY WENT THROUGH EVERYTHING I HAD INCLUDED MY TAX RETURNS. THEY FOUND ABSOLUTELY NO COLLUSION. 48 MILLION. I COULD FIND PLENTY WRONG, JOE. THE KIND OF MONEY YOUR FAMILY HAS TAKEN, YOUR BROTHER MADE MONEY IN IRAQ. MILLIONS OF DOLLARS. YOUR OTHER BROTHER MADE A FORTUNE. IT'S WRONG. THEY SAY YOU GET SOME. YOU DO LIVE VERY WELL. YOU HAVE HOUSES ALL OVER THE PLACE. YOU LIVE VERY WELL. >> VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN, THERE HAVE BEEN QUESTIONS ABOUT THE WORK YOUR SENATE DONE IN CHINA. IN RETROSPECT, IS THERE ANYTHING ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP OR PROGRAM THAT IS UNETHICAL? >> WITH REGARD TO UKRAINE. WE HAD THIS WHOLE QUESTION ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT BECAUSE HE WAS ON THE BOARD, THERE WAS A COMPANY. THAT I HAD DONE SOMETHING WRONG. EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY PERSON TESTIFYING UNDER OATH WHO DID WORK FOR HIM, SAID I DID MY WORK IMPECCABLY. NOT ONE SINGLE SOLITARY THING WAS OUT OF LINE. NOT A SINGLE THING. NUMBER ONE. NUMBER TWO, THE GUY WHO GOT IN TROUBLE WAS THIS GUY TRYING TO BRIBE THE UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT TO SAY SOMETHING NEGATIVE ABOUT ME. THEY WOULD NOT DO AND DID NOT DO. AND NEVER, EVER, EVER HAPPENED. MY SON IS NOT MADE MONEY, IN TERMS OF THIS THING ABOUT WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT, CHINA? THE ONLY GUY WHO MADE MONEY IN CHINA WAS THIS GUY. THE ONLY ONE. WHAT ELSE MADE MONEY FROM CHINA. >> LET ME ASK MY QUESTION, TO YOU. >> HE DID NOT HAVE A JOB FOR A LONG TIME. HE WAS NO LONGER IN MILITARY SERVICE. I WILL NOT GET INTO THAT. AS SOON AS HE BECAME VICE PRESIDENT, BURRIS, NOT THE BEST REPUTATION IN THE WORLD, 183,000 A MONTH. LISTEN TO THIS. 183 AND THEY GAVE HIM A $3 MILLION UPFRONT PAYMENT. >> I NEED TO GET TO A QUESTION. >> EVERYBODY INVESTIGATED THAT. >> ENTERTAIN, THIS IS FOR YOU. YOU HAVE PERSONALLY PROMOTED YOUR PROPERTIES ABROAD. REPORT THIS WEEK DOES INDICATE THE COMPANY HAS A BANK ACCOUNT IN CHINA. I CONFESSES NO YOU DON'T HAVE ANY FOREIGN CONFLICTING INTERESTS? >> MANY BANK ACCOUNTS ALL OVER. I WAS A BUSINESSMAN, DOING BUSINESS. THE ACCOUNT YOU ARE REFERRING TO EVERYBODY KNOWS ABOUT IT. IT IS LISTED. THE BANK ACCOUNT WAS IN 2013. IT WAS OPENED. IT WAS CLOSED IN 2015, I BELIEVE. THEN I DECIDED BECAUSE I WAS THINKING ABOUT DOING A DEAL IN CHINA. LIKE MILLIONS OF OTHER PEOPLE AND I WAS THINKING ABOUT IT. I DECIDED I DID NOT LIKE IT. I WAS NOT GOING TO DO IT. I HAD AN ACCOUNT OPEN. I CLOSED IT. THEN, UNLIKE HIM WHEN HE'S VICE PRESIDENT AND DOES BUSINESS, I DECIDED TO RUN FOR PRESIDENT AFTER. I CLOSED IT, BEFORE I RAN FOR PRESIDENT, LET ALONE BECAME PRESIDENT. BIG DIFFERENCE. HE IS THE VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, HIS SON AND BROTHER AND OTHER BROTHER ARE GETTING RICH. THERE LIKE A VACUUM CLEANER. >> WE DO NEED TO MOVE ON. I DID WANT TO ASK YOU VICE PRESIDENT LET'S TALK ABOUT CHINA. PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS SAID THEY SHOULD PAY FOR NOT BEING FULLY TRANSPARENT REGARDING THE CORONAVIRUS. IF YOU WERE PRESIDENT WOULD YOU MAKE CHINA PAY? PLEASE BE SPECIFIC. >> I WOULD MAKE CHINA PLAY BY INTERNATIONAL RULES. HE HAS CAUSED THE DEFICIT GO UP NOT DOWN WITH CHINA. UP NOT DOWN. IN ORDER TO DO BUSINESS IN CHINA, YOU HAVE TO GIVE PROPERTY YOU HAVE TO HAVE A PARTNER IN CHINA WITH 51%. I WOULD NOT DO THAT AT ALL. NUMBER TWO WE ARE IN A SITUATION THAT CHINA WOULD HAVE TO PLAY BY THE RULES, INTERNATIONAL AS WELL. WHEN I WAS VICE PRESIDENT, HE SAID WE ARE SETTING UP IN THE IDENTIFICATION JONES. YOU CANNOT FLY THROUGH. WE FLEW B-1 BOMBER THROUGH IT. THEY HAVE TO PLAY BY THE RULES. WHAT DOES HE DO? HE EMBRACES DOGS IN NORTH KOREA THE CHINESE PRESIDENT AND PUT AN END OTHERS. HE POINTS HIS FINGER TO ALL OF OUR FRIENDS AND ALLIES. WE ARE 25% OF THE WORLD'S ECONOMY. WE NEED TO BE HAVING THE REST OF OUR FRIENDS WITH US SAYING TO CHINA, THESE ARE THE RULES. YOU MUST PAY THE PRICE. THAT'S THE WAY I WILL RUN IT. WE UPHELD THE STEEL TAX WHEN WE WERE PRESIDENT AND VICE PRESIDENT. >> VERY QUICKLY. >> SPENDING 10 MINUTES IN OFFICE AND NUMBER TWO, THERE'S A VERY STRONG EMAIL, TALKING ABOUT YOUR FAMILY WANTED TO MAKE $10 MILLION A YEAR FOR INTRODUCTION.'S >>> WHAT SPECIFICALLY ARE YOU GOING TO DO TO MAKE CHINA PAY? YOU SAID THEY WILL PAY. >> THEY ARE PAYING BILLIONS AND BILLIONS OF DOLLARS. I JUST GAVE $20 BILLION TO FARMERS. >> THAT'S TAXPAYERS MONEY. >> 28 BILLION. THEY DEVALUE THEIR CURRENCY IN PAID-UP. DO YOU KNOW WHO GOT THE MONEY? THE FARMERS. THEY WERE TARGETED. YOU NEVER CHARGE THEM ANYTHING. I CHARGE THEM 20%, BECAUSE THEY WERE KILLING THE STEEL INDUSTRY. WE WERE GOING TO HAVE A STEEL INDUSTRY. >> THERE'S A REASON WHILE HE'S BRINGING UP ALL THIS MALARKEY. HE DOES NOT WANT TO TALK ABOUT THIS. IS NOT ABOUT HIS FAMILY AND MINE. IT'S ABOUT YOUR FAMILY. YOUR FAMILY IS HURTING BADLY. IF YOU'RE A MIDDLE-CLASS FAMILY, YOU'RE GETTING HURT BADLY, RIGHT NOW. YOU ARE SITTING AT THE KITCHEN TABLE AND WE CANNOT GET NEW TIRES. WEHAVE TO WAIT ANOTHER MONTH OR SO. WHO WILL TELL HER SHE CANNOT GO BACK TO COMMUNITY COLLEGE? THESE ARE DECISIONS YOU'RE MAKING. THEY ARE IN TROUBLE. WE SHOULD BE TALK ABOUT YOUR FAMILIES. THAT IS THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT. AND I WANT TO TALK ABOUT NORTH KOREA. 10 SECONDS MR. PRESIDENT. LET'S GET OFF THIS CHINA THING. THE FAMILY, AROUND THE TABLE AND EVERYTHING. SPAM LET'S GET OFF CHINA. LET'S TALK ABOUT SITTING AROUND THE TABLE. >> WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT NORTH KOREA. PRESIDENT TRUMP YOU MET WITH KIM JONG UN THREE TIMES. THERE HAS NOT BEEN A WAR AND A LONG-RANGE MISSILE TEST. THEN NORTH KOREA ROLLED UP THE BIGGEST EVER BALLISTIC MUSCLE. MISSILE. YOU SEE THAT AS A BETRAYAL OF THE RELATION YOU FORCE WITH THEM? >> WHEN I MET WITH BARACK OBAMA WE SAT IN THE WHITE HOUSE WITH A GREAT CONVERSATION. IT WAS SUPPOSED TO BE 50 MINUTES. IT WAS WELL OVER ONE HOUR. HE INDICATED, WE WILL BE AT WAR WITH NORTH KOREA. GUESS WHAT? IT WOULD BE NUCLEAR. HE DOES HAVE PLENTY NUCLEAR CAPABILITY. IN THE MEANTIME I HAVE A VERY GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM. A DIFFERENT KIND OF GUY BUT YOU PROBABLY THINK THE SAME OF ME. WE HAVE A DIFFERENT KIND OF RELATIONSHIP. WE HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP. IT IS NO WAR. YOU KNOW? ABOUT TWO MONTHS AGO HE BROKE INTO A CERTAIN AREA. HE IS NOT GOING TO DO THAT. I WAS RIGHT. INSTEAD OF BEING IN A WAR WITH MILLION PEOPLE, MILLIONS AND MILLIONS OR 2 MILLION PEOPLE, MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WOULD BE OKAY NOW. >> VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN, NORTH KOREA DID TESTING UNDER THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION. WHY WOULD YOU BE ABLE TO REIN IN THIS THREAT? >> THEY HAD TO BE PART OF THE DEAL. I MADE IT CLEAR AS A SPOKESPERSON WHEN I WENT TO CHINA. WHY ARE YOU MOVING YOUR MISSILE DEFENSE SO CLOSE? WHY ARE YOU MOVING MORE FORCES HERE? WHY ARE YOU DOING MILITARY MANEUVERS IN SOUTH KOREA? BECAUSE NORTH KOREA IS A PROBLEM. WE WILL CONTINUE TO DO IT SO WE CAN CONTROL THEM. WE WILL MAKE SURE WE CONTROL THEM. SO IF YOU WANT TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT, STEP UP AND HELP. IF NOT, IT WILL CONTINUE. WHAT HAS HE DONE? HE LEGITIMIZED NORTH KOREA. HE TALKS ABOUT HIS GOOD BUDDY WHO IS A DUD. THEY HAVE MORE CAPABLE MISSILES ABLE TO REACH U.S. TERRITORY EASILY. >> BIDEN YOU WOULD NOT MEET WITH KIM JONG UN UNDER PRECONDITIONS? SPIN ON THE CONDITION HE WOULD DRAW DOWN HIS NUCLEAR CAPACITY. THE KOREA PENINSULA SHOULD BE A NUCLEAR FREE ZONE. >> HE WOULD NOT MEET WITH THEM. SHE DID NOT LIKE OBAMA. HE WOULD NOT DO IT. HE WOULDN'T DO IT. NORTH KOREA WE ARE NOT IN A WAR. WE HAVE A GOOD RELATIONSHIP. HAVING A GOOD RELATIONSHIP -- SPIN WE HAD A GOOD RELATIONSHIP WITH HITLER BEFORE HE INVADED EUROPE. COME ON. THE REASON HE WOULD MEET WITH PRESIDENT OBAMA SAID, WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT DENUCLEARIZATION. WE WILL NOT LEGITIMIZE YOU. WE WILL PUT STRONGER SANCTIONS ON YOU. THAT'S WHY HE WOULD NOT MEET WITH US. >> LET'S MOVE ON. OKAY. WE DO NEED TO MOVE ON. >> NORTH KOREA WAS A MESS. IT WAS A VERY DANGEROUS PERIOD IN MY FIRST THREE MONTHS BEFORE WE WORKED THINGS OUT. THEY LEFT US A MESS. PRESIDENT OBAMA WOULD SAY IT WAS THE SINGLE BIGGEST PROBLEM. AND AMERICAN FAMILIES. HEALTHCARE, AS YOU BOTH KNOW. TODAY THERE WAS A VOTE. HEALTHCARE IS AT THE CENTER OF HER CONFIRMATION FIGHT. 20 MILLION AMERICANS GET HEALTH INSURANCE THROUGH THE FORMAL CARE ACT. IT'S GOING TO THE SUPREME COURT. YOU ARE VOTING TO OVERTURN IT. IF THE SUPREME COURT DOES OVERTURN THAT LAW. ANY MILLION AMERICANS TO LOSE HEALTH INSURANCE, ALMOST OVERNIGHT. WHAT WOULD YOU DO? YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES UNINTERRUPTED. SPINNING THROUGH THE LEGISLATURE I TERMINATED THE MANDATE. THAT IS THE WORST PART OF OBAMA CARE. THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE WHERE YOU HAVE TO PAY A FORTUNE FOR THE PRIVILEGE OF NOT HAVING TO PAY FOR BAD HEALTH INSURANCE. I TERMINATED IT. IT IS GONE. NOW IT'S IN COURT. OBAMA CARE IS NO GOOD. THEN I MADE A DECISION. RUN IT AS WELL AS YOU CAN. RUN IT AS WELL AS YOU CAN. I COULD HAVE MADE EVERYBODY UNHAPPY. PREMIUMS ARE DOWN. HERE IS THE PROBLEM. NO MATTER HOW WILL YOU RUN IT, IT'S NO GOOD. WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS TERMINATED. WE HAVE THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT WILL WORK. WE WILL HAVE OBAMA CARE, BUT IT WILL BE BETTER. IT'S NO LONGER OBAMA CARE. WITHOUT THE MANDATE IT'S MUCH DIFFERENT. PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS A MUCH BETTER HEALTHCARE. MUCH BETTER. WE WILL ALWAYS PROTECT PEOPLE WITH PRE-EXISTING. I WOULD LIKE TO COME UP WITH A BEAUTIFUL HEALTHCARE. DEMOCRATS WILL DO IT. WE MIGHT EVEN HAVE THE HOUSE, BY THAT TIME. I THINK WE WILL WIN THE HOUSE. I THINK WE WILL WIN THE HOUSE. COME UP WITH A BETTER HEALTHCARE, ALWAYS PROTECTING PEOPLE WITH EXISTING CONDITION. WE HAVE 180 MILLION PEOPLE OUT THERE, THAT HAVE GREAT, PRIVATE HEALTHCARE. FAR MORE THAN WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT WITH OBAMA CARE. JOE BIDEN, THESE PEOPLE LOVE HEALTHCARE. THESE ARE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN SUCCESSFUL. MILLION MIDDLE INCOME PEOPLE TO HAVE 180 MILLION PEOPLE AND FAMILIES. UNDER WHAT HE WANTS TO DO, WHICH WILL BASICALLY BE SOCIALIZED MEDICINE. HE WILL NOT HAVE A CHOICE. THEY WANT TO TERMINATE, 180 MILLION PLAN. WE HAVE DONE AN INCREDIBLE JOB ON HEALTHCARE. >> OKAY. VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN. THE QUESTION IS, WHAT IS YOUR PLAN THE LAW IS RULED UNCONSTITUTIONAL. YOU HAVE TWO MINUTES UNINTERRUPTED. THIS PAYMENT I WILL PASS OBAMA CARE IS A PUBLIC OPTION. PUBLIC OPTION IS AN OPTION THAT SAYS IF YOU IN FACT, DO NOT HAVE THE WHEREWITHAL TO QUALIFY FOR MEDICAID, AND YOU DON'T HAVE THE WHEREWITHAL, THEN YOU AUTOMATICALLY ARE ENROLLED. THAT IS WHAT WILL HAPPEN. SECONDLY, WE WILL MAKE SURE WE REDUCED THE PREMIUM SEND DRUG PRICES BY MAKING SURE THERE IS COMPETITION THAT DOES NOT EXIST NOW. WE ALLOW MEDICARE TO NEGOTIATE DRUG PRICES WITH THE INSURANCE COMPANY. THIRDLY, THE IDEA I WENT TO HAVE PRIVATE INSURANCE. THE REASON I HAVE SUCH A FIGHT WITH 20 CANDIDATES FOR THE NOMINATION WAS, I SUPPORT PRIVATE INSURANCE. THAT'S WHY, NOT ONE SINGLE PERSON PRIVATE INSURANCE WOULD LOSE INSURANCE UNDER MY PLAN, NOR DID THEY UNDER OBAMA CARE. THEY DID NOT LOSE INSURANCE. UNLESS THEY CHOSE, THEY WANTED TO GO TO SOMETHING ELSE. LASTLY, WE COULD ACTUALLY PROTECT. THERE IS NO WAY HE COULD PROTECT PRE-EXISTING CONDITION. NONE. ZERO. HE HAS BEEN TALKING ABOUT THIS FOR A LONG TIME. HE HAS GOT TO COME UP WITH A PLAN. I GUESS WE COULD GET THE PRE- EXISTING AND CONDITION PLAN THE SAME TIME AND I KNOW YOU ARE GETTING ANXIOUS. THEY FACT IS THAT, HE HAS COST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BECAUSE OF HIS TERRIBLE HANDLING OF THE VIRUS. PEOPLE HAVE LOST THEIR PRIVATE INSURANCE. HE WANTS TO TAKE AWAY 22 MILLION MORE PEOPLE OBAMA CARE AND OVER 10 MILLION PEOPLE WITH PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS AND ALL THE PEOPLE FROM COVID WILL HAVE PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS. WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO? >> I HAVE A FOLLOW-UP THAT RELATES TO SOMETHING THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYS. WHAT YOU SAY TO PEOPLE THAT HAVE CONCERNS YOUR PLAN WHICH INCLUDES A GOVERNMENT INSURANCE OPTION THAT TAKES THE COUNTRY ONE STEP CLOSER TO A HEALTHCARE SYSTEM ENTIRELY RUN BY THE GOVERNMENT? SPIN I SAY IT'S RIDICULOUS. IT IS LIKE SAYING THAT THE IDEA THERE'S PUBLIC OPTION THAT PEOPLE CAN CHOOSE. THAT MAKES IT SOCIALIST? THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THE PRESIDENT, I DON'T THINK IT IS A PRIVILEGE, I THINK IT IS A RIGHT. EVERYBODY HAS A RIGHT TO AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE. I'M PROUD OF MY PLAN. IT HAS GOTTEN ENDORSED BY THE MAJOR LABOR UNIONS AND A RANGE OF OTHER PEOPLE WHO, IN FACT CONCERNED IN THE MEDICAL FIELD. THIS WILL SAVE PEOPLE LIVES. IT WILL GIVE PEOPLE AN OPPORTUNITY TO HAVE HEALTHCARE FOR CHILDREN. HOW MANY PEOPLE ARE WORRIED ABOUT WHAT GOD'S NAME WILL THEY DO IF THEY GET SICK? THEY LOST HEALTH INSURANCE BECAUSE THEIR COMPANY HAS GONE UNDER. WE HAVE TO HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE THAT IS AFFORDABLE. >> FOR SEVEN YEARS HE DIDN'T DO IT. HE WAS VICE PRESIDENT FOR EIGHT YEARS. IT'S NOT LIKE IT WAS 25 YEARS AGO. IT WAS JUST A LITTLE WHILE AGO, RIGHT? LESS THAN FOUR YEARS AGO. HE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING. HE WANTS SOCIALIZED MEDICINE. HIS VICE PRESIDENT. SHE IS MORE LIVABLE THAN BERNIE SANDERS. BERNIE SANDERS IT. JUST LIKE HE WANTED FRACKING. WE ARE GOING TO STOP FRACKING. THEN HE GOES TO PENNSYLVANIA. HE GOES TO PENNSYLVANIA AND SAYS, WE WILL HAVE FRACKING. YOU NEVER ASK THAT QUESTION. SO FAR I RESPECT VERY MUCH THE WAY YOU HANDLE THIS. SOMEBODY SHOULD ASK THE QUESTION. >> WE DO HAVE A NUMBER OF TOPICS TO GET TO. WE WILL GET TO IT. VICE PRESIDENT, YOUR RESPONSE. >> PEOPLE DESERVE TO HAVE AFFORDABLE HEALTHCARE PERIOD, PERIOD, PERIOD. IT WILL PROVIDE FOR THAT HEALTH CARE WITH LOWER PREMIUMS. IT WILL COST OVER $750 BILLION OVER 10 YEARS TO DO IT. YOU CAN BUY BETTER PLANS. YOU CAN LOWER YOUR PREMIUMS. YOU CAN HAVE YOUR DRUG TO DROP SIGNIFICANTLY. HE KEEPS TALKING ABOUT IT. HE HAS NOT DONE ANYTHING FOR ANYBODY ON HEALTHCARE. >> HE'S TALKING ABOUT SOCIALIZED MEDICINE. WHEN HE TALKS ABOUT A PUBLIC OPTION, HE'S TALKING ABOUT DESTROYING MEDICARE. HE'S TALKING ABOUT DESTROYING YOUR SOCIAL SECURITY. THIS ALTERNATIVE WILL COME DOWN. BERNIE SANDERS TRIED IT. HIS GOVERNOR WAS A VERY LIBERAL GOVERNOR. >> LET'S LET PRESIDENT BIDEN RESPOND. I BEAT THOSE OTHER PEOPLE, BECAUSE THEY DISAGREED WITH THEM. THE IDEA THAT WE ARE IN A SITUATION THAT WILL DESTROY MEDICARE, THIS IS THE GUY THAT MEDICARE SAID IF IN FACT, SOCIAL SECURITY IF HE WITHHOLDS HIS PLAN TO WITHHOLD THE TAX ON SOCIAL SECURITY, SOCIAL SECURITY WILL BE BANKRUPT BY 2023. WITH NO WAY TO MAKE UP FOR IT. THIS IS A GUY WHO HAS TRIED TO CUT MEDICARE. THE IDEA THAT DONALD TRUMP IS LECTURING ME ON SOCIAL SECURITY AND MEDICARE? COME ON. >> YEARS AGO, YEARS AGO GO BACK AND LOOK AT THE RECORDS. >> MR. PRESIDENT I HAVE TO MOVE ON. I HAVE TO MOVE ON TO THE NEXT QUESTION. OKAY LET'S MOVE ON TO THE NEXT QUESTION. VERY QUICKLY. SPIN THE IDEA THAT THE STOCK MARKET IS BOOMING, IS HIS ONLY MEASURE. WHERE I COME FROM, IN SCRANTON, DURING THE LAST THREE YEARS DURING THE CRISIS BILLIONAIRES IN THIS COUNTRY ACCORDING TO WALL STREET 700 BILLION MORE DOLLARS. 700 BILLION MORE DOLLARS. BECAUSE THAT'S HIS ONLY MEASURE. WHAT HAPPENS TO ORDINARY PEOPLE? WHAT HAPPENS TO THEM? >> WE ARE GOING TO MOVE ON. >> THIS DIDN'T COME FROM SCRANTON. HE LIVED THERE FOR A SHORT PERIOD. >> LET ME MOVE ON TO MY NEXT QUESTION. 12 MILLION PEOPLE ARE OUT OF WORK. 8 MILLION MORE AMERICANS HAVE FALLEN TO POVERTY. FAMILIES ARE GOING HUNGRY EVERY DAY. CASEY WASHINGTON FIGHTING OVER A RELIEF BILL. MR. PRESIDENT, WHY HAVEN'T YOU BEEN ABLE TO HELP THEM? SPIN NANCY PELOSI JUST WANT TO PROVE IT. >> BUT YOU ARE THE PRESIDENT. >> NANCY PELOSI DOESN'T WANT TO IMPROVE ANYTHING, SHE WOULD LOVE TO HAVE VICTORIES, ON THE DAY CALLED, NOVEMBER 3rd, NANCY PELOSI DOESN'T WANT TO IMPROVE IT. WE ARE READY, WILLING AND ABLE TO DO SOMETHING. WE ALREADY APPROVED THREE PLANS, AND POLLUTING DEMOCRATS. IT IS NEAR THE ELECTION. SHE THINKS IT HELPS HER, POLITICALLY. >> THE REPUBLICAN LEADER SAID HE CANNOT PASS IT. HE DOES NOT HAVE REPUBLICAN VOTES. >> LET ME FOLLOW UP WITH YOU, VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN . YOU ARE THE LEADER OF THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY. WHY HAVE YOU NOT PUSHED THE DEMOCRATS TO GET A DEAL FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE? >> THEY PASSED THIS AT THE BEGINNING OF THE SUMMER. IT'S NOT NEW. IT HAD BEEN OUT THERE. THE HEROES ACT HAS BEEN SITTING THERE. LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING. I WAS ABLE TO GET $145 BILLION TO LOCAL COMMUNITIES, THAT HAD TO BALANCE THEIR BUDGET. THEY HAD TO FIRE FIREFIGHTERS, TEACHERS FIRST RESPONDERS LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICERS, SO THEY CAN KEEP CITIES AND COUNTIES RUNNING. HE WON'T SUPPORT THAT. HAVEN'T DONE A THING FOR THEM. MITCH McCONNELL SAID, LET THEM GO BANKRUPT. COME ON. >> THAT WAS A BAIL OUT A BADLY RUN HIGH CRIME DEMOCRAT ALL RUN BY DEMOCRATS, CITIES AND STATES. IT WAS A WAY OF GETTING A LOT OF MONEY, AND BILLIONS AND BILLIONS IT WAS A WAY OF GETTING A LOT OF MONEY FROM OUR PEOPLES POCKETS FOR PEOPLE TO COME INTO OUR COUNTRY, ILLEGALLY. WE WILL TAKE CARE OF EVERYTHING FOR THEM. I WOULD LOVE TO HELP THEM. EVERYBODY ALL OVER THE WORLD WILL POUR INTO OUR COUNTRY. WE CAN'T DO IT. THIS WAS A WAY OF TAKING CARE OF THEM. IT WAS A BIG BAILOUT FOR BADLY RUN DEMOCRAT CITIES AND STATES. >> I WILL BE AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT. I DON'T SEE RED AND BLUE STATES. I SEE UNITED STATES. HUGS, EVERY SINGLE STATE OUT THERE FINDS THEMSELVES IN TROUBLE. THEY WILL LAY OFF IF THEY ARE RED OR BLUE, COPS, FIREFIGHTERS FIRST RESPONDERS. THEY HAVE TO BALANCE THEIR BUDGET. THE AMOUNT THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT SPENDS TWO COMPENSATE FOR THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. >> I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE MINIMUM WAGE. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT STRUGGLING SMALL BUSINESSES THESE DAYS. DO YOU THINK THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME TO ASK THEM TO RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE? >> I DO. ONE OF THE THINGS WE HAVE TO DO IS BAIL THEM OUT TOO. WE SHOULD BUILD THEM OUT NOW. THEY GOT ONE IN SIX OF THEM GOING UNDER. THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE ABLE TO MAKE IT BACK. THEY PASSED A PACKAGE. MONEY IS SUPPOSED TO GO TO HEALTH AND DO EVERYTHING FROM ORGANIZED HOUSING AND OPEN BUSINESSES SAFELY. HOW SCHOOLS CAN MAKE AS THE SCHOOLS NEED TO HELP. BUT THESE GUYS WILL NOT HELP THEM. NOT GIVING ANY OF THEM MONEY. >> WE HAVE TO HELP OUR SMALL BUSINESSES BY RAISING THE MINIMUM WAGE? THAT'S NOT HELPING. I THINK IT SHOULD BE A STATE OPTION. ALABAMA IS DIFFERENT THAN NEW YORK NEW YORK IS DIFFERENT FROM VERMONT, EVERY STATE IS DIFFERENT. I SHOULD BE A STATE ISSUE. WE HAVE TO HELP OUR SMALL BUSINESSES. HOW ARE YOU HELPING YOUR SMALL BUSINESSES WHEN YOU'RE FORCING WAGES. WHAT'S GONNA HAPPEN, WHAT IS PROVEN TO HAPPEN WHEN YOU DO THAT, THESE SMALL BUSINESSES WILL FIRE MANY OF THEIR EMPLOYEES. >> NOT TRUE. >> -- WE SAID RECENTLY YOU WOULD CONSIDER RAISING THE FEDERAL MINIMUM WAGE TO $15 AN HOUR. IS THAT STILL THE CASE? >> I WOULD CONSIDER TO AN EXTENT, -- BUT NOT TO A LEVEL THAT IS GOING TO PUT ALL THESE BUSINESSES OUT OF BUSINESS. IT SHOULD BE STATE OPTION. EVERY DIFFERENT PLACES I, KNOW THEY'RE ALL DIFFERENT. SOME PLACES $15 IS NOT SO BAD. AND OTHER PLACES OTHER STATES, $15 WHAT YOU WOULD BE RUIN. >> RESPONSE PRESIDENT BIDEN. >> 2 JOBS, ONE JOB, LOW POVERTY. PEOPLE ARE MAKING 6 7 8 BUCKS AND HOW. THESE FIRST RESPONDERS THAT WE ALL CLAP FOR THAT -- WHEN THEY COME DOWN THE STREET BECAUSE THEY'VE ALLOWED US TO MAKE, IT THEY DESERVE A MINIMUM WAGE OF $15. ANYTHING BELOW THAT PUTS YOU BELOW THE POVERTY LEVEL. THERE IS NO EVIDENCE THAT WHEN YOU RAISE THE MINIMUM WAGE, THAT BUSINESSES GO OUT OF BUSINESS. THAT IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. >> WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT IMMIGRATION NOW GENTLEMEN, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT FAMILIES WITHIN THIS CONTEXT. MISTER PRESIDENT YOUR ADMINISTRATION SEPARATED PARENTS FROM THE CHILDREN AT THE BORDER, AT LEAST 4000 KIDS. YOU SINCE REVERSED ZERO TOWNS POLICY, BUT THE UNITED STATES CANNOT LOCATE THE PARENTS OF MORE THAN 500 CHILDREN, HOW WILL THESE FAMILIES EVER BE REUNITED? >> CHILDREN ARE BROUGHT HERE BY COYOTES, AND LOTS OF BAD PEOPLE. CARTELS, AND THEY BROUGHT HERE AND THEY USED TO USE THEM TO GET IN OUR COUNTRY. WE NOW HAVE A STRONGER BORDER AS WE HAVE EVER HAD. 400 MILES OF BRAND-NEW WALL, YOU SEE THE NUMBERS. AND WE LET PEOPLE IN, BUT THEY HAVE TO COME IN LEGALLY. LET ME JUST TELL YOU, THEY BUILT CAGES. YOU KNOW THEY USED TO SAY I WILL BE CAGES. AND THEY HAD A PICTURE IN A CERTAIN NEWSPAPER, AND IT WAS A PICTURE OF THESE HORRIBLE CAGES, AND THEY SAID LOOK AT THESE CAGES PRESIDENT TRUMP BUILT THEM. AND THEN IT WAS DETERMINED THEY WERE BUILT IN 2014, THAT WAS HIM. THEY BUILT CAGES. WE'RE TRYING VERY HARD, A LOT OF THESE KIDS COME OUT WITHOUT THE PARENTS, THEY COME OVERTHREW CARTELS THROUGH CODY AND THROUGH GANGS. >> QUICK RESPONSE AND THEN ANOTHER QUESTION FOR YOU. >> THESE 500 PLUS KIDS CAME WITH PARENTS. THEY SEPARATED THEM AT THE BORDER, TO MAKE IT A DISINCENTIVE TO COME TO BEGIN WITH. WERE REALLY STRONG, AND GUESS WHAT? THEY IT'S NOT COYOTES THAT BROUGHT HIM OVER, THEIR PARENTS WERE WITH THEM. THEY GOT SEPARATED FROM THEIR PARENTS, AND IT MAKES US A LAUGHING STOCK AND VIOLATES EVERY NOTION WHO WE ARE AS A NATION. >> THEY DID IT, WE CHANGE THE POLICY. WHO BUILT THE CAGES JOE? WHO BUILT THE CAGES JOE? >> WHAT HAPPENED? PARENTS THEIR KIDS WERE RIPPED FROM THEIR ARMS AND SEPARATED. AND NOW THEY CANNOT FIND OVER 500 SETS OF THOSE PARENTS, AND THOSE KIDS ARE ALONE. NOWHERE TO GO. NOWHERE TO GO, IT'S CRIMINAL. IT'S CRIMINAL. >> KRISTEN I WILL SAY THIS, WE WENT DOWN THEY BROUGHT REPORTERS AND EVERYTHING, THEY ARE SO WELL TAKEN CARE OF. THEY ARE IN FACILITIES THAT WERE SO CLEAN -- BUT JUST ASK ONE QUESTION. WHO BUILT THE CAGES? I LOVE YOU TO ASK HIM THAT. >> LET ME ASK ABOUT YOUR IMMIGRATION POLICY MISTER VICE PRESIDENT -- IMMIGRATION REFORM THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN A KEY PROMISE DURING THE ADMINISTRATION THAT ALSO PRESIDED OVER RECORD DEPORTATIONS AS WELL AS FAMILY DETENTIONS OVER THE BORDER BEFORE CHANGING COURSE. WHY SHOULD VOTERS CHANGE -- JUST TO THE IMMIGRATION OVERHAUL NOW? >> TOOK TOO LONG TO GET IT RIGHT. I'LL BE PRESENT IN THE NIGHT OF THE STATES -- NOT VICE PRESIDENT KNOTTED STATES. THE FACT IS I'VE MADE IT VERY CLEAR, WITHIN 100 DAYS I'M GOING TO SEND UNITED STATES CONGRESS A PATHWAY TO CITIZENSHIP FOR OVER 11 MILLION UNDOCUMENTED PEOPLE. ALL OF THOSE SO-CALLED DREAMERS, THOSE DACA KIDS, THEY ARE GOING TO BE IMMEDIATELY CERTIFIED AGAIN TO BE ABLE TO STAY IN THIS COUNTRY, AND PUT ON A PATH TO CITIZENSHIP. THE IDEA THAT THEY'RE BEING SENT HOME BY THIS GUY, AND THEY WANT TO DO THAT IS THAT THEY GO TO A COUNTRY THEY HAVE NEVER SEEN BEFORE. I CAN IMAGINE, YOU ARE 5 YEARS OLD YOUR PARENTS ARE TAKEN ACROSS THE THE RIO GRANDE RIVER, AND IT'S ILLEGAL. AND YOU SAY OH NO MOM, LEAVE ME HERE I'M NOT GONNA GO WITH YOU. OVER 20,000 OF OUR FIRST RESPONDERS OUT THERE TAKING CARE OF PEOPLE DURING THIS CRISIS, WE OWE THEM. WE OWE THEM. >> 8 YEARS TO DO WHAT HE SAID HE WAS GOING TO DO, AND WITHOUT HAVING A SPECIFIC, WE GOT RID OF CATCH AND RELEASE, WE GOT RID OF A LOT OF HORRIBLE THINGS THAT THEY PUT IN AND THEY LIVED WITH. BUT 8 YEARS HE WAS VICE PRESIDENT, HE DID NOTHING, EXCEPT BUILD CAGES TO KEEP CHILDREN AND. >> MISTER VICE PRESIDENT YOUR RESPONSE? >> CATCH AND RELEASE, YOU KNOW WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT THERE, IF A FAMILY CAME ACROSS AND GOT ARRESTED, THEY WERE GIVEN A DATE TO SHOW FOR THEIR HEARING, THEY WERE RELEASED. AND GUESS WHAT, THEY SHOWED UP FOR THE HEARING. -- ANYBODY IS SEEKING ASYLUM HAS TO DO IT IN ANOTHER COUNTRY. THAT IS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE IN AMERICA, THAT IS NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE IN AMERICA. YOU COME TO THE UNITED STATES AND YOU MAKE YOUR CASE, WHEN YOU SEEK ASYLUM BASED ON THE FOLLOWING PREMISE, WHY I DESERVE IT UNDER AMERICAN LAW. -- SITTING IN SQUALOR ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE RIVER. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP YOUR RESPONSE, 30 SECONDS THEN WILL MOVE ON. >> IT JUST SHOWS HE HAS NO UNDERSTANDING OF IMMIGRATION OF THE LAWS, CATCH A RELEASE IS A DISASTER. A MURDERER WOULD COME, IN A RAPIST WOULD COME IN, A VERY BAD PERSON WOULD COME IN, WE WOULD TAKE THEIR NAME, WE HAVE TO RELEASE THEM INTO OUR COUNTRY, AND THEN YOU SAY THEY COME BACK. LESS THAN 1% OF THE PEOPLE COME BACK, WE HAVE TO SEND ISIS OUT AND BORDER PATROL OUT TO FIND THEM. WE WOULD SAY COME BACK IN 2 YEARS, 3 YEARS, WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU A COURT CASE. PERRY MASON, WE'RE GONNA GIVE YOU A COURT CASE. WHEN YOU SAY THEY COME BACK, THEY DON'T COME BACK JOE. THEY NEVER COME BACK. ONLY THE REALLY, I HATE TO SAY THIS, BUT THOSE WITH THE LOWEST IQ. THEY MIGHT COME BACK. >> OKAY PRESIDENT, LET'S GIVE VICE PRESIDENT THE RESPONSE. VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN YOUR RESPONSE. >> WHAT HE'S TELLING IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. CHECK IT OUT. >> WE DON'T HAVE TO WORRY ABOUT IT BECAUSE I TERMINATED IT. >> WE HAVE 525 KIDS NOT KNOWING WHERE IT GOT SAYING THEY'RE GONNA BE AND LOST HER PARENTS. >> LET'S TALK ABOUT OUR NEXT SECTION WHICH IS RACE IN AMERICA, I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE WAY THAT BLACK AND BROWN AMERICANS EXPERIENCE RACE IN THIS COUNTRY. PART OF THAT EXPERIENCE IS SOMETHING CALLED THE TOP, IT HAPPENS REGARDLESS OF CLASS AND INCOME. PARENTS WHO FEEL THEY HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO PREPARE THEIR CHILDREN FOR THE CHANCE THAT THEY COULD BE TARGETED, INCLUDING BY THE POLICE, FOR NO REASON OTHER -- FOR NO OTHER REASON THAN THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN. VICE PRESIDENT, IN THE NEXT 2 MINUTES, I WANT YOU TO SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THESE FAMILIES. DO YOU KNOW WHY THESE PARENTS FEAR FOR THESE CHILDREN? >> I DO. MY DAUGHTER IS A SOCIAL WORKER, AND SHE HAS WRITTEN A LOT ABOUT THIS. SHE DID UNDERGRADUATE DEGREE FROM PENNSYLVANIA. ONE OF THE REASONS WHY I ENDED UP WORKING ON THE EAST SIDE OF -- IT WAS TO LEARN MORE ABOUT WHAT WAS GOING ON. I NEVER HAD TO TELL MY DAUGHTER IF SHE'S PULLED OVER, MAKE SURE SHE -- FOR A TRAFFIC STOP, PUT BOTH HANDS ON THE WHEEL AND DON'T REACH FOR THE GLOVE BOX BECAUSE SOMEONE MIGHT SHOOT YOU. BUT A BLACK PARENT, NO MATTER HOW WEALTHY OR HELP OR THEY, ARE HAS TO TEACH THEIR CHILD THAT WHEN YOU ARE WALKING DOWN THE STREET, DON'T HAVE A HOODIE ON WHEN YOU ACROSS THE STREET. MAKING SURE THAT YOU IN FACT, IF YOU GET PULLED OVER, YES SIR, NO SIR, HANDS ON TOP OF THE WHEEL. BECAUSE YOU ARE IN FACT A VICTIM WHETHER YOU ARE PERSON MAKING 300, 000, OR SOMEONE WHO IS ON FOOD STAMPS. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, THERE IS INSTITUTIONAL RACISM IN AMERICA. AND WE HAVE ALWAYS SAID, WE HAVE NEVER LIVED UP TO, IT WE HOLD THESE TRUTHS TO BE SELF EVIDENT. ALL MEN AND WOMEN ARE CREATED EQUAL. BUT GUESS WHAT? WE HAVE NEVER EVER LIVED UP TO IT, WE ARE CONSTANTLY MOVING THE NEEDLE FURTHER AND FURTHER TO INCLUSION, NOT EXCLUSION. THIS IS THE FIRST PRESIDENT TO COME ALONG AND SAYS THAT'S THE END OF THAT. WE ARE NOT GOING TO DO THAT ANYMORE. WE HAVE TO PROVIDE FOR AN ECONOMIC OPPORTUNITY, BETTER EDUCATION, BETTER HEALTH CARE, BETER ACCESS TO SCHOOLING. BETTER ACCESS TO OPPORTUNITY TO BORROW MONEY TO START BUSINESSES. ALL THE THINGS WE CAN'T DO, AND I'VE LAID OUT A CLEAR PLAN AS TO HOW TO DO THOSE THINGS. JUST TO GIVE PEOPLE A SHOT. IT IS ABOUT ACCUMULATING THE ABILITY TO HAVE WEALTH AS IT IS TO BE FREE FROM VIOLENCE. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, SAME QUESTION TO YOU. AND LET ME REMIND YOU OF THE QUESTION, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THESE FAMILIES, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY THESE PARENTS FEAR FOR THEIR CHILDREN? >> YES I DO. AND AGAIN, HE HAS BEEN IN GOVERNMENT 47 YEARS, AND NEVER DID A THING. EXCEPT IN 1994 WHEN HE DID SUCH HARM TO THE BLACK COMMUNITY, AND THEY WERE CALLED AND HE CALLED THEM, SUPER PREDATORS. AND HE SAID THAT, SUPER PREDATORS. AND THEY AND HE'S NEVER LIVE THAT DOWN, 1994 YOUR CRIME BILL. THE SUPER PREDATORS. NOBODY HAS DONE MORE FOR THE BLACK COMMUNITY THAN DONALD TRUMP. AND IF YOU LOOK, WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN, POSSIBLE EXCEPTION, BUT THE EXCEPTION OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN, NOBODY HAS DONE WHAT I HAVE DONE. CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM, OBAMA AND JOE DID NOT DO IT. I DON'T EVEN THINK THEY TRIED, BECAUSE THEY HAD NO CHANCE OF DOING IT. THEY MIGHT HAVE WANTED TO DO IT, BUT IF YOU HAVE TO SEE THE ARMS I HAD TO TWIST TO GET THAT DONE, IT WAS NOT A PRETTY PICTURE. AND EVERYBODY KNOWS, IT INCLUDING SOME VERY LIBERAL PEOPLE, THAT CRIED IN MY OFFICE. THEY CRIED IN THE OVAL OFFICE, 2 WEEKS LATER THEY'RE SAYING GEE WE HAVE TO DEFEAT HIM. CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM, PRISON REFORM. OPPORTUNITIES SONGS WITH TIM SCOTT, A GREAT SENATOR FROM SOUTH CAROLINA, HE CAME IN WITH THIS INCREDIBLE IDEA FOR OPPORTUNITIES, ONE OF THE MOST SUCCESSFUL PROGRAMS. PEOPLE DON'T TALK ABOUT, IT TREMENDOUS INVESTMENTS HAVE BEEN MADE, BIGGEST BENEFICIARY. THE BLACK AND HISPANIC COMMUNITIES. HISTORICALLY, BLACK COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES, AFTER 3 YEARS OF COMING TO THE OFFICE I LOVE SOME OF THOSE GUYS. THEY WERE GREAT. THEY CAME INTO THE OFFICE, AND ICE AND I SAID WHAT ARE YOU DOING? AFTER 3 YEARS WHAT YOU KEEP COMING BACK? BECAUSE >> >> BECAUSE WE HAVE NO FUNDING, YOU'D HAVE TO COME BACK EVERY YEAR -- PRESIDENT OBAMA WOULD NEVER GIVE THEM LONG-TERM FUNDING. AND I DID, 10-YEAR LONG TERM FUNDING AND I GAVE THEM MORE MONEY THAN THEY ASKED FOR BECAUSE THEY SAID I THINK YOU NEED MORE. THE ONLY BAD PART ABOUT THIS IS THAT I MAY NEVER SEE YOU AGAIN, BECAUSE I GOT VERY FRIENDLY WITH THEM. AND THEY LIKE ME AND I LIKE THEM. -- WE'RE GONNA TALK ABOUT >> BOTH OF YOUR RECORDS, BUT U.S. RESPONSE TO THAT VICE PRESIDENT? >> I NEVER EVER SAID WHAT HE ACCUSED ME OF SAYING. THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, IN 2000 THOUGH AFTER THE CRIME BILL HAD BEEN IN THE LAW FOR A WHILE, THIS IS A GUY WHO SAID, THE PROBLEM OF THE CRIME BILL IS THAT THERE IS NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE IN JAIL. THERE'S NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE IN JAIL, AND GO ON MY WEBSITE GET THE QUOTE THE DATE OF WHEN HE SAID IT. NOT ENOUGH PEOPLE. HE TALKED ABOUT MARAUDING GANGS, YOUNG GANGS AND THE PEOPLE WHO ARE GOING TO MARAUDE OUR CITIES. THIS IS A GUY WHO IN THE CENTER PART 5, 5 INNOCENT BLACK KIDS HE CONTINUE TO PUSH FOR IT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY GOT THE DEATH PENALTY. NONE OF THEM WERE GUILTY OF WHAT THE CRIME -- THAT WERE SUGGESTED. GRANTED, HE DID IN FACT LET 20 PEOPLE -- HE COMMITTED 20 PEOPLE SENTENCES. WE COMMITTED OVER THOUSAND. A VERY LONG HE IS TALKING ABOUT IS A LAW THAT IN FACT, INITIATED BY BARACK OBAMA. AND SECONDLY, WE ARE IN A SITUATION HERE WHERE, THE FEDERAL PRISON SYSTEM WAS REDUCED BY 38,000 PEOPLE UNDER OUR ADMINISTRATION. ONE OF THESE THINGS WE SHOULD BE DOING, THERE SHOULD BE NO MINIMUM MANDATORIES IN THE LAW. THAT IS WHY I'M OFFERING 20 BILLION DOLLARS TO THE STATES TO CHANGE THEIR STATE LAWS, TO ILLUMINATE MINIMUM MANDATORIES. NO ONE SHOULD BE GOING TO JAIL BECAUSE THEY HAVE A DRUG PROBLEM. THEY SHOULD BE GOING TO REHABILITATION, NOT TO JAIL. WE SHOULD FUNDAMENTALLY CHANGE THE SYSTEM, AND THAT IS WHAT I'M GOING TO DO. >> WHY DID HE NOT DO IT 4 YEARS AGO? WHY DID YOU NOT DO IT 4 YEARS AGO? EVEN LESS THAN THAT. YOU KEEP TALKING ABOUT ALL THESE THINGS YOU ARE GOING TO DO, YOU ARE GOING TO DO THIS. BUT YOU ARE THERE JUT A SHORT TIME AGO, AND YOU GUYS DID NOTHING. I RAN BECAUSE OF YOU, I RAN BECAUSE OF BARACK OBAMA. BECAUSE HE DID A POOR JOB, IF I THOUGHT YOU DID A GOOD JOB I WOULD'VE NEVER RUN. I WOULD HAVE NEVER RUN. IRAN BECAUSE OF YOU, I'M LOOKING AT YOU NOW, YOUR POLITICIAN. IRAN BECAUSE OF YOU. >> VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN YOUR RESPONSE TO THAT, AND THEN I DO HAVE SOME QUESTIONS FOR BOTH OF YOU. >> I'LL TELL YOU WHAT I HOPE HE DOES LOOK UP TO ME, BECAUSE YOU KNOW WHAT'S HAPPENING HERE. YOU KNOW WHO I AM, YOU KNOW WHO HE IS. YOU KNOW HIS CHARACTER, YOU KNOW MY CHARACTER. YOU KNOW OUR REPUTATION FOR HONOR AND TELLING THE TRUTH, I AM ANXIOUS TO HAVE THIS RACE. I'M ANXIOUS TO SEE THIS TAKE PLACE. I AM, CHARACTER OF THE COUNTRIES ON THE BALLOT, OUR BALLOT. LOOK AT IT CLOSELY. >> RESPOND THAT WE'RE GONNA HAVE >> IF THE STUFF IS TRUE ABOUT RUSSIA, UKRAINE, CHINA, IRAQ, IF THIS IS TRUE, HE IS A CORRUPT POLITICIAN. DO NOT GIVE ME THE STUFF ABOUT HOW YOU WEAR THIS INNOCENT BABY. JOE, THEY ARE CALLING YOU A CORRUPT POLITICIAN. >> NO ONE IS CALLING THE A CORRUPT POLITICIAN. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, LET'S TALK ABOUT THE ISSUE OF RACE. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT RACE RIGHT NOW, AND I DO WANT TO STAY ON THE ISSUE OF RACE. >> I HAVE TO RESPOND TO THAT. >> PLEASE. >> THERE ARE 50 FORMER NATIONAL INTELLIGENCE FOLKS WHO ALL SAID THAT WHAT HE IS ACCUSING ME OF IS A RUSSIAN PLANT. THEY HAVE SAID THAT THIS HAS ALL OF THE CHARACTERS. 5 FORMER HEADS OF THE CIA, BOTH PARTIES, ALL SAY THAT WHAT HE IS SAYING IS A BUNCH OF GARBAGE. NO ONE BELIEVES IT, EXCEPT HIM, AND HIS GOOD FRIEND JUTE RUDY GIULIANI. >> YOU MEAN THE LAPTOP IS NOW ANOTHER RUSSIAN RUSSIA RUSSIA HOAX? >> THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT IT IS. >> THE LAPTOP IS RUSSIA HOAX? >> GENTLEMEN, I WANT TO STAY ON THE ISSUE OF RACE. >> HERE WE GO AGAIN WITH RUSSIA. >> WE ARE GOING TO CONTINUE AGAIN ON THE ISSUE OF RACE. MISTER PRESIDENT, YOU'VE DESCRIBED THE BLACK LIVES MATTER MOVEMENT AS A SYMBOL OF RACE. YOU SHARED A VIDEO OF A MAN CHANTING WHITE POWER TO MILLIONS OF YOUR SUPPORTERS. YOU SAID THAT BLACK PROFESSIONAL ATHLETES EXERCISING THEIR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHTS SHOULD BE FIRED. WHAT DO YOU SAY TO AMERICANS WHO SAY THAT THAT KIND OF LANGUAGE, FROM A PRESIDENT, IT'S CONTRIBUTING TO A CLIMATE OF HATE, AND RACIAL STRIFE? >> YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND, THE FIRST TIME I EVER HEARD OF BLACK LIVES MATTER, THEY WERE CHANTING, PIGS IN A BLANKET, TALKING ABOUT POLICE, PIGS, TALKING ABOUT OUR POLICE, PIGS IN A BLANKET, FROM LIKE BACON, AND I SAID, THAT'S A HORRIBLE THING. THEY WERE MARCHING DOWN THE STREET. THAT WAS MY FIRST GLIMPSE OF BLACK LIVES MATTER. I THOUGHT IT WAS A TERRIBLE THING. AS FAR AS MY RELATIONSHIPS WITH ALL PEOPLE, I THINK I HAVE GREAT RELATIONSHIPS WITH ALL PEOPLE. I AM THE LEAST RACIST PERSON IN THIS ROOM. >> WHAT DO YOU SAY TO AMERICANS WHO ARE CONCERNED ABOUT THAT RHETORIC? >> I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY. I HAVE CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM DONE, IN PRISON REFORM, OPPORTUNITIES, I TOOK CARE OF BLACK COLLEGES AND UNIVERSITIES, AND I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO SAY. THEY COULD SAY ANYTHING. THEY COULD SAY ANYTHING. IT MAKES ME SAID. I AM THE LEAST RACIST PERSON. I CAN'T EVEN SEE THE AUDIENCE, BECAUSE IT IS SO DARK, BUT I DON'T CARE WHO'S THERE, I'M THE LEAST RACE IN PERSON IN THIS ROOM. >> VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN, LET ME ASK, YOU VERY QUICKLY, I'VE A FOLLOW-UP QUESTION. >> ABRAHAM LINCOLN TEARS ONE OF THE MOST RACIST PRESIDENTS WE'VE HAD IN MODERN HISTORY. HE POURED FUEL ON EVERY SINGLE RACIST FIRE. HE CAME OUT OF HIS CAMPAIGN SAYING HE WAS GOING TO GET RID OF THE MEXICAN RAPISTS. HE BANNED MUSLIMS BECAUSE THEY ARE MUSLIM. HE MOVED AROUND, AND MADE EVERYTHING WORSE, ALL ACROSS THE BOARD. HE TALKS ABOUT THE POOR BOYS, HE SAID LAST TIME HERE, HE TOLD THEM TO STAND, DOWN AND STAND READY. COME ON. THIS GUY IS A DOG WHISTLE AS BIG AS THE FOG HORN. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOU HAVE 10 SECONDS TO RESPOND. >> HE MADE A REFERENCE TO ABRAHAM LINCOLN. WHERE DID THAT COME IN? >> YOU SAID YOU ARE ABRAHAM LINCOLN. >> I SAID, NOT SINCE ABRAHAM LINCOLN HAS ANYBODY DONE WHAT I HAVE DONE FOR THE BLACK COMMUNITY. I DIDN'T SAY I AM ABRAHAM LINCOLN. I SAID NOT SINCE ABRAHAM LINCOLN HAS ANYBODY DONE WHAT I'VE DONE FOR THE BLACK COMMUNITY. YOU HAVE DONE NOTHING, OTHER THAN THE CRIME BILL, WHICH PUT TENS OF THOUSANDS OF BLACK MEN, MOSTLY, IN JAIL. >> YOU KNOW WHAT, THEY REMEMBER, IT BECAUSE IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING WITH VOTING RIGHT NOW, THEY REMEMBER HOW YOU TREATED THEM. TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT IS HAPPENING OUT THERE. >> VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN, HERE IS A CHANCE TO RESPOND WITHIN THIS CONTEXT. CRIME BILLS WHO SUPPORTED IN THE EIGHTIES, AND NINETIES, CONTRIBUTED TO THE INCARCERATION OF TENS OF THOUSANDS OF YOUNG BLACK MEN, WHO HAVE SMALL AMOUNTS OF DRUGS IN THEIR POSSESSION. THEY ARE SONS, BROTHERS, FATHERS, UNCLES, WHOSE FAMILIES ARE STILL, TO THIS DAY, SOME OF THEM, SUFFERING THE CONSEQUENCES. SO, SPEAK TO THOSE FAMILIES. WHY SHOULD THEY VOTE FOR YOU? >> ONE OF THE THINGS IS, IN THE EIGHTIES, WE PASSED 100%, ALL 100 SENATORS, VOTED FOR IT, A BILL ON DRUGS, AND HOW TO DEAL WITH THEM. IT WAS A MISTAKE. I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO CHANGE IT SINCE. PARTICULARLY THE PORTION ON COCAINE. THAT IS WHY I HAVE BEEN ARGUING, IN FACT, WE SHOULD NOT SEND ANYONE TO JAIL FOR PURELY A DRUG OFFENSE. THEY SHOULD BE GOING INTO TREATMENT, ACROSS THE BOARD. THAT IS WHERE WE SHOULD BE SET BENDING MONEY. THAT'S WHY A SET OF DRUG COURTS, WHICH WERE NEVER FUNDED BY A REPUBLICAN FRIENDS. THEY SHOULD NOT BE GOING TO JAIL FOR A DRUG, OR ALCOHOL PROBLEM, THEY SHOULD BE GOING INTO TREATMENT. TREATMENT. THAT IS WHAT WE HAVE BEEN TRYING TO DO, THAT IS WHAT I AM GOING TO GET DONE, BECAUSE THEY HAVE MADE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE NOW SEE THAT, IN FACT, IT WAS A MISTAKE TO PASS THOSE LAWS RELATED TO DRUGS. THEY WERE NOT IN THE CRIME BILL. >> BUT WHY DIDN'T YOU GET IT DONE? SEE, ALL TOP, NO ACTION WITH THESE POLITICIANS. WHY DIDN'T YOU GET IT DONE? THAT'S WHAT I'M GOING TO DO WHEN I BECOME PRESIDENT. YOU ARE VICE PRESIDENT, ALONG WITH OBAMA AS YOUR PRESIDENT, YOUR LEADER, FOR 8 YEARS. WHY DIDN'T YOU GET IT DONE? YOU HAD 8 YEARS TO GET IT DONE. NOW YOU'RE SAYING, YOU WILL GET IT DONE, BECAUSE YOU ARE ALL TOP, AND NO ACTION. >> WE GOT MUCH OF IT DONE. WE RELEASED 38,000 PRISONERS. 38,000 PRISONERS WERE RELEASED FROM FEDERAL PRISON. THERE WERE OVER 1000 PEOPLE WHO WERE GIVEN CLEMENCY. IN FACT, WE WERE THE ONES WHO PUT IN THE LEGISLATION TO SAY WE CAN LOOK AT A PATTERN OF PRACTICE OF POLICE DEPARTMENTS, WHAT THEY WERE DOING, ARE THEY CONDUCTING THEMSELVES. I COULD GO ON. WE BEGAN THE PROCESS, WE BEGIN THE PROCESS, AND WE LOST AN ELECTION. THAT IS WHY I AM RUNNING, TO WIN BACK THAT ELECTION, AND CHANGE THIS TERRIBLE POLICY. >> THE QUESTION, WHY DIDN'T YOU DO IT IN THE 8 YEARS? IT WAS A SHORT TIME AGO, WHY DIDN'T YOU DO IT? YOU SAID YOU'RE GOING TO DO THAT, DO THIS, BUT YOU PUT TENS OF THOUSANDS OF MOSTLY BLACK YOUNG MEN IN PRISON. NOW YOU ARE SAYING, YOU ARE GOING TO UNDO THAT. WHY DIDN'T YOU GET IT DONE? YOU HAD A YEARS WITH OBAMA. DO YOU KNOW WHY JOE? YOU'RE ALL TALK, AND NO ACTION. >> VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN, THEN WE MOVE ON TO THE NEXT SECTION. >> A REPUBLICAN CONGRESS. THAT'S THE ANSWER. >> YOU GOTTA TALK HIM INTO A JOE. SOMETIMES YOU GOTTA TALK HIM INTO IT. JUST LIKE I DID WITH CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM. I HAD A TOP DEMOCRATS INTO IT. >> WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME, WE NEED TO GO ON TO CLIMATE CHANGE. YOU BOTH HAVE DIFFERENT VISIONS ON CLIMATE CHANGE. PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOU SAY ENVIRONMENTAL REGULATIONS HAVE HURT JOBS IN THE ENERGY SECTOR. VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN, YOU HAVE SAID YOU SEE ADDRESSING CLIMATE CHANGE AS AN OPPORTUNITY TO CREATE NEW JOBS. FOR EACH OF YOU, HOW WOULD YOU BOTH COMBAT CLIMATE CHANGE, AND SUPPORT JOB GROWTH AT THE SAME TIME? STARTING WITH YOU, PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOU HAVE 2 MINUTES, UNINTERRUPTED. >> WE HAVE THE TRULY ENTRIES PROGRAM, WE ALSO HAVE SO MANY OTHER PROGRAMS. I DO LOVE THE ENVIRONMENT, BUT WHAT I WANTED IS THE CREAM CLEANEST, CRYSTAL CLEAR WATER. THE CLEANEST AIR. WE HAVE THE BEST, LOWEST NUMBER IN CARBON COMMISSIONS, WHICH IS A BIG STANDARD, THAT I KNOW OBAMA GOES WITH ALL THE TIME. NOT JOE, I HAVEN'T HEARD JOE USE THE TERM, BECAUSE I DON'T THINK HE KNOWS WHAT IT REPRESENTS, OR MEANS. I HAVE HEARD OBAMA USE IT, AND WE DO HAVE THE BEST CARBON EMISSION NUMBERS THAT WE'VE HAD IN 35 YEARS, UNDER THIS ADMINISTRATION. WE ARE WORKING SO WELL WITH INDUSTRY. HERE IS WHAT WE CANNOT DO. LOOK AT CHINA, AT HOW FILTHY IT IS. LOOK AT RUSSIA, LOOK AT INDIA, IT IS FILTHY. THE AIR IS FILTHY. THE PARIS ACCORD, I TOOK US OUT, WE WERE GOING TO HAVE TO SPEND TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS, AND WE WERE TREATED VERY UNFAIRLY. WHEN THEY PUT US IN THEIR, THEY DID US A GREAT DISSERVICE. THEY WOULD TAKE AWAY OUR BUSINESSES. I WILL NOT SACRIFICE TENS OF MILLIONS OF JOBS, THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS OF COMPANIES, JUST BECAUSE OF THE PARIS ACCORD. IT WAS SO UNFAIR. CHINA DOES NOT KICK IN UNTIL 2030. RUSSIAN GOES BACK TO A LOW STANDARD, AND WE KICKED IN, RIGHT AWAY, IT WOULD HAVE DESTROYED OUR BUSINESSES. SO, ARE YOU READY? WE HAVE DONE AN INCREDIBLE JOB ENVIRONMENTALLY. WE HAVE THE CLEANEST AIR, THE CLEANEST WATER, AND THE BEST CARBON EMISSIONS STANDARDS WE HAVE SEEN IN MANY YEARS. >> AND WE HAVEN'T DESTROYED OR INDUSTRIES >> VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN? 2 MINUTES TO YOU, UNINTERRUPTED. >> CLIMATE CHANGE, CLIMATE WARMING, GLOBAL WARMING, IT IS THE NEXT ESSENTIAL THREAT TO HUMANITY. WE HAVE A MORAL OBLIGATION TO DEAL WITH IT. WE ARE TOLD BY ALL LEADING SCIENTISTS OF THE WORLD, WE DO NOT HAVE MUCH TIME. WE ARE GOING TO PASS THE POINT OF NO RETURN WITHIN THE NEXT 8 TO 10 YEARS. 4 MORE YEARS OF THIS MAN, ELIMINATING ALL OF THE REGULATIONS THAT WERE PUT IN BY ASKED TO CLEAN UP THE CLIMATE, TO CLEAN UP, TO CLEAN UP LIMITED EMISSIONS, WILL PUT US IN A POSITION WHERE WE WILL BE IN REAL TROUBLE. HERE IS WHERE WE HAVE A GREAT OPPORTUNITY. I WAS GET BOTH THE ENVIRONMENTAL ORGANIZATIONS, AS WELL AS LABOR, THE PEOPLE WORRIED ABOUT JOBS, TO SUPPORT MY CLIMATE PLAN. WHAT IT DOES IS IT WILL CREATE MILLIONS OF NEW, GOOD PAYING JOBS. WE WILL INVEST IN, FOR EXAMPLE, 500,000 -- SORRY, EXCUSE, ME 50,000 CHARGING STATIONS ON OUR HIGHWAYS, SO WE CAN ONLY ELECTRIC CAR MARKET IN THE FUTURE. CHINA DOES THAT CURRENTLY. IF I'M ELECTED, WE WILL SEE TO IT THAT WE WILL TAKE 400 MILLION EXISTING HOMES, AND 200 MILLION EXISTING HOMES, TO RETROFIT THEM SO THAT THEY DO NOT LEAK AS MUCH ENERGY, SAVING HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF BARRELS OF OIL IN THE PROCESS, AND CREATING SIGNIFICANT NUMBERS OF JOBS. BY THE WAY, THE ENTIRE IDEA OF WHAT THIS WILL DO IS IT WILL CREATE MILLIONS OF JOBS. IT WILL CLEAN THE ENVIRONMENT. OUR HEALTH, AND OUR JOBS, ARE ALL AT STAKE. THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING. RIGHT NOW, BY THE, WAY WALL STREET FIRMS INDICATE THAT MY PLAN, WE WILL, IN FACT, CREATE 18.6 MILLION JOBS. 7 MILLION MORE THAN HIS. THIS IS FROM WALL STREET. I WILL CREATE ONE TRULY AND MORE AN ECONOMIC GROWTH AND HIS PROPOSAL DOES. NOT ON CLIMATE, JUST ON ECONOMY. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, YOUR REBUTTAL? >> THEY CAME OUT, VERY STRONGLY, $6,500 WOULD BE TAKEN AWAY FROM FAMILIES UNDER HIS PLAN. HIS PLAN IS AN ECONOMIC DISASTER. IF YOU LOOK AT WHAT HE WANTS TO DO -- AND DO YOU KNOW WHO DEVELOPED IT? AOC PLUS 3. THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT CLIMATE. SHE HAS A GOOD LINE OF STUFF, BUT SHE DOESN'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT CLIMATE. THEY ARE ALL HOPPING THROUGH HOOPS FOR AOC PLUS 3. LOOK, THE REAL PLAN COST 100 TRILLION DOLLARS. IF WE HAD THE BEST YEAR, IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY, FOR 100 YEARS, WE WOULD NOT EVEN COME CLOSE TO A NUMBER LIKE THAT. WHEN HE SAYS BUILDINGS, THEY WANT TO TAKE BUILDINGS DOWN, BECAUSE THEY WANT TO MAKE BIGGER WINDOWS, INTO SMALLER WINDOWS. AS FAR AS THEY ARE CONCERNED, IF YOU HAD NO WINDOW, IT WOULD BE A LOVELY THING. HERE IS THE CRAZIEST PLAN THAT ANYONE HAS EVER SEEN. THIS WAS NOT DONE BY SMART PEOPLE, THIS WAS DONE NOT DONE BY ANYBODY. FRANKLY, I DON'T KNOW HOW IT CAN BE GOOD POLITICALLY. THEY WANT TO SPEND 100 TRILLION DOLLARS. THAT IS THE REAL NUMBER. HE'S TRYING TO SAY IT WAS 6. IT'S 100 TRILLION DOLLARS. THEY WANT TO KNOCK DOWN BUILDINGS, AND BUILD NEW BUILDINGS, WITH LITTLE, TINY, SMALL WINDOWS. AND MANY OTHER THINGS. >> LET ME HAVE THE VICE PRESIDENT RESPOND, AND WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME, AND WE HAVE MANY MORE QUESTIONS TO GET TO. LET'S HEAR FROM THE VICE PRESIDENT, I HAVE A NUMBER OF MORE QUESTIONS. >> I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE COMES FROM. I DON'T KNOW WHERE HE COMES UP WITH THESE NUMBERS. 100 TRILLION DOLLARS? GIVE ME A BREAK. THIS PLAN WAS ENDORSED BY EVERY MAJOR ENVIRONMENTAL GROUP, AND EVERY LABOR GROUP. LABOR. THEY KNOW THE FUTURE LIES IN US BEING ABLE TO BREATHE, AND THEY KNOW THEY ARE GOOD JOBS TO GET US THERE. BY THE WAY, THE FASTEST-GROWING INDUSTRY IN AMERICA IS THE -- EXCUSE ME -- SOLAR ENERGY, AND WIND, HE THINKS WIND CAUSES CANCER, WINDMILLS, IT IS THE FASTEST GROWING JOB, AND THEY PAY GOOD, PREVAILING WAGES. 45, 50 BUCKS AN HOUR. WE CAN GROW, AND WE CAN BE CLEANER IF WE GO THE ROUTE I AM PROPOSING. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP, PLEASE RESPOND, THAT I HAVE A FOLLOW- UP. >> WE ARE ENERGY INDEPENDENT FOR THE VERY FIRST TIME. WE DON'T NEED ALL OF THESE COUNTRIES THAT WE HAD TO FIGHT WARS OVER, BECAUSE WE NEEDED THEIR ENERGY. WE ARE IN NEED -- WE ARE ENERGY INDEPENDENCE. I KNOW MORE ABOUT WIND THAN YOU DO. IT IS EXTREMELY EXPENSIVE, KILLS ALL OF THE BIRDS, IT IS VERY INTERMITTENT, HAS MANY PROBLEMS, AND THEY HAPPEN TO MAKE THE WINDMILLS IN BOTH GERMANY, AND CHINA. THE THEMES COMING UP, IF YOU ARE BELIEVER AND CARMEN EMISSIONS, THE FUMES COMING UP TO MAKE THESE MASSIVE WINDMILLS IS MORE THAN ANYTHING WE TALK ABOUT WITH NATURAL GAS, WHICH IS INCREDIBLY CLEAN. >> FINALLY A SCIENTIST WHO SAYS THAT. >> SOLAR, I LOVE IT, BUT THAT DOESN'T HAVE IT YET. IT'S NOT POWERFUL YET. TO REALLY RUN OUR BIG, BEAUTIFUL FACTORIES, THAT WE NEED TO COMPETE WITH THE WORLD. >> FALSE. >> IT IS ALL A PIPE DREAM. YOU KNOW WHAT WE WILL DO? WE WILL HAVE THE GREATEST ECONOMY IN THE WORLD. IF YOU WANT TO KILL THE ECONOMY, GET RID OF YOUR OIL INDUSTRY, AND WHAT ABOUT FRACKING? NO NEED TO ASK HIM ABOUT THAT? >> LET ME ASK VICE TO RESPOND. >> I NEVER SAID I OPPOSE FRACKING. >> YOU SAID IT ON TAPE? >> SHOW THE TAPE. PUT IT ON YOUR WEBSITE. >> I WILL. >> THE FACT IS, HE IS LYING. >> WOULD YOU ALLOW BANNING FRACKING? >> I RULE IT OUT. THE ANSWER WE NEED, WE NEED OTHER INDUSTRIES TO TRANSITION TO GET TO, ULTIMATELY, A COMPLETE ZERO EMISSIONS BY 2025. WHAT I WILL DO WITH FRACKING, OVERTIME, IS MAKE SURE THAT WE CAN CAPTURE THE EMISSIONS FROM THE FRACKING. CAPTURE THE EMISSIONS FROM GAS, AND WE CAN DO THAT, AND WE CAN DO THAT BY INVESTING MONEY, AND DOING -- IT IS A TRANSITION TO THAT. ONE MORE QUESTION >> HE'S AGAINST FRACKING, HE SAID I WILL SHOW THAT TO YOU TOMORROW. I AM AGAINST FRACKING, UNTIL HE GOT THE ANNOUNCEMENT A SHORT PENNSYLVANIA THAT -- YOU KNOW AND PENNSYLVANIA? HE'LL BE AGAINST VERY SOON BECAUSE HIS PARTY IS TOTALLY AGAINST IT. >> FRACKING ON FEDERAL LAND I SAID, NO -- >> LET ME ASK YOU A FINAL QUESTION IN THE SECTION, AND THEN I'LL MOVE ON TO OUR FINAL SECTION. PRESIDENT TRUMP PEOPLE OF COLOR ARE MUCH MORE LIKELY TO LIVE NEXT TO OIL REFINERIES AND CHEMICAL PLANTS. AND TEXAS THEY ARE WORRIED THE PLANTS NEXT TO THEM ARE MAKING THEM SICK. YOUR ADMINISTRATION HAS ROLLED BACK REGULATIONS ON THESE KIND OF FACILITIES WHY SHOULD THESE FAMILIES GIVE YOU ANOTHER 4 YEARS IN OFFICE? >> THE FAMILY THAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT ARE EMPLOYED HEAVILY, AND THEY'RE MAKING A LOT OF MONEY MORE MONEY THAN THEY EVER HAVE MADE, IF YOU LOOK AT THE KIND OF NUMBERS THAT WE PRODUCE FOR HISPANIC OR BLACK OR ASIAN, IT'S 9 TIMES GREATER THE PERCENTAGE GAIN THEN IT WAS UNDER, AND 3, YEARS THAT IT WAS UNDER 8 YEARS OF 2 OF THEM. TO PUT THAT NICELY. 9 TIMES MORE. SOMEBODY LIVES, I HAVE NOT HEARD THE NUMBERS OR THE STATISTICS THAT YOU ARE SAYING, BUT THEY ARE MAKING A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY, ECONOMICALLY WE SAVED IT. AND I SAVED IT AGAIN -- CRASHING CAUSE OF THE PANDEMIC, SAY WHAT YOU WANT ABOUT RELATIONSHIPS, WE GOT SAUDI ARABIA, MEXICO, AND RUSSIA TO CUT BACK WAY BACK. WE SAVE OUR OIL INDUSTRIES, ANNOUNCE VERY VIBRANT AGAIN. >> VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN, YOUR RESPONSE AND THEN WE WILL HAVE A FINAL QUESTION FOR BOTH OF YOU. >> MY RESPONSE IS THOSE PEOPLE LIVE ON WHAT IS CALLED FENCE LINES. HE DOES NOT UNDERSTAND THIS. THEY LIVE NEAR CHEMICAL PLANTS WHICH POLLUTE, CHEMICAL PLANTS OIL PLANTS AND REFINERIES THAT POLLUTE. I USED TO LIVE NEAR THAT WHEN I WAS GROWING UP AND CLAIM ON DELAWARE. ALL THE OIL FINISH -- ANY PLACE INCLUDING AND USED IT AT THE TIME. WHEN MY MOM GET MY CAR, I REMEMBER HER FIRST FROST DRIVING TO SCHOOL -- THERE WOULD BE AN OIL SLICK IN THE WINDOW. THAT'S WHY SO MANY PEOPLE IN MY STATE WERE DYING, AND GETTING CANCER. THE FACT IS THOSE FRONTLINE COMMUNITIES, IT'S NOT MATTER WHAT YOU'RE PAYING, THEM IT MATTERS HOW YOU KEEP THEM SAFE. WHAT DO YOU DO, AND IMPOSE RESTRICTIONS ON THEM. THE POLLUTANTS COMING OUT OF THOSE FENCE LINES COMMUNITIES. >> OKAY I HAVE ONE FINAL COME -- >> WOULD YOU CLOSE DOWN THE OIL? >> I WOULD TRANSITION FROM THE OIL INDUSTRY. YES THAT IS A BIG STATEMENT BECAUSE I WOULD STOP ... >> WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT? >> BECAUSE THE OIL INDUSTRY POLLUTES SIGNIFICANTLY. IF YOU LET ME FINISH THE STATEMENT, IT HAS TO BE REPLACED BY RENEWABLE ENERGY OVERTIME. OVER TIME AND I'VE STOPPED GIVING TO THE OIL INDUSTRY, I STOPPED GIVING THEM FEDERAL SUBSIDIES. WE WON'T GET FEDERAL SUBSIDIES TO GUESS, EXCUSE ME TO SOLAR AND WIND. WHY ARE WE GIVING INTO OIL INDUSTRY? >> WE ACTUALLY DO GIVE TO SOLAR AND WIND, THAT'S THE BIGGEST STATEMENT. BECAUSE BASICALLY WHAT HE IS SAYING IS GOING TO DESTROY THE OIL INDUSTRY, AND WHEN YOU REMEMBER THAT TEXAS. REMEMBER THAT PENNSYLVANIA OKLAHOMA >> VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN LET ME GIVE YOU 10 SECONDS TO RESPOND,. >> HE TAKES EVERYTHING OUT OF CONTEXT BUT THE POINT IS LOOK, WE HAVE TO MOVE TOWARD A NET ZERO EMISSIONS. THE FIRST PLACE TO DO THAT BY THE YEAR 2035 IS OF ENERGY PRODUCTION, BUT 2050 TOTALLY. >> IS HE GONNA GET CHINA TO DO IT? >> FINAL QUESTION. >> I'M GONNA REJOIN -- >> QUESTION THIS FIRST QUESTION THIS GO TO YOU PRESIDENT TRUMP, A MAGIC AND THIS IS YOUR INAUGURATION DAY. WHAT WILL YOU SAY AND YOU ADDRESS TO AMERICANS WHO DID NOT VOTE FOR YOU? YOU WILL EACH HAVE ONE MINUTE STARTING WITH YOU. >> WE HAVE TO MAKE A COUNTRY TOTALLY SUCCESSFUL AS IT WAS PRIOR TO THE -- PLAGUE COMING FROM CHINA. NOW WE'RE REBUILDING IT AND WE'RE DOING RECORD NUMBERS, 11.4 MILLION JOBS IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME. BUT I WILL TELL, YOU GO BACK. BEFORE THE PLAGUE CAME IN, JUST BEFORE I WAS GETTING CALLS FROM PEOPLE WHO WERE NOT NORMALLY PEOPLE THAT WOULD CALL ME. THEY WANTED TO GET TOGETHER, WE HAVE THE BEST BLACK UNEMPLOYMENT NUMBERS IN THE HISTORY OF OUR COUNTRY, HISPANIC WOMEN, ASIAN, PEOPLE WITH THE KNOW DIPLOMAS, PEOPLE WITH DIPLOMAS, AND MIGHTY GRADUATES, NUMBER ONE IN THE CLASS, EVERYBODY HAD THE BEST NUMBERS. THE OTHER SIDE WANTED TO GET TOGETHER, HE WANTED TO UNIFY SUCCESS, IT IS GOING TO BRING US TOGETHER. WE ARE ON THE ROAD TO SUCCESS, BUT I'M CUTTING TAXES. AND HE WANTS TO RAISE EVERYBODY'S TAXES, AND YOU WANT TO PUT NEW REGULATIONS ON EVERYTHING, HE WILL KILL IT. IF HE GETS IN, YOU WILL HAVE A DEPRESSION THE LIKES OF WHICH YOU'VE NEVER SEEN. YOUR 401(K) S WILL GO TO HELL, AND IT WILL BE A VERY VERY SAD DAY FOR THIS COUNTRY. >> VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN SAME QUESTION TO YOU, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY DURING YOUR INAUGURAL ADDRESS TO AMERICANS WHO DID NOT VOTE FOR YOU? >> I WILL SAY, I'M AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT. I REPRESENT ALL OF YOU, WHETHER YOU VOTED FOR ME OR AGAINST ME. AND I'M GONNA MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE REPRESENTED. I'M GONNA GIVE YOU HOPE, WE'RE GONNA MOVE, WE'RE GONNA CHOOSE SCIENCE OVER FICTION, WE'RE GONNA CHOOSE HOPE OVER FEAR. WE'RE GONNA CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE WE HAVE ENORMOUS OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE THINGS BETTER. WE CAN GROW THIS ECONOMY, WE CAN DEAL WITH THE SYSTEMIC RACISM, AND AT THE SAME TIME WE CAN MAKE SURE THAT OUR ECONOMY IS BEING RUN AND MOVED AND MOTIVATED BY CLEAN ENERGY. CREATING MILLIONS OF NEW JOBS. AND THAT IS THE FACT, THAT IS WHAT WE ARE GOING TO DO. AND I'M GOING TO SAY, AS I'VE SAID IN THE BEGINNING, WHAT IS ON THE BALLOT HERE, IS THE CHARACTER OF THIS COUNTRY. DECENCY, HONOR, RESPECT, TREATING PEOPLE WITH DIGNITY. MAKING SURE THAT EVERYONE HAS AN EVEN CHANCE, I WANT TO MAKE SURE YOU GET THAT, YOU HAVE NOT BEEN GETTING AT THE LAST 4 YEARS. >> ALL RIGHT I WANT TO THANK YOU BOTH FOR A VERY ROBUST IT HOUR AND A HALF, FANTASTIC DEBATE. THEY'RE REALLY APPRECIATED, PRESIDENT TRUMP FORMER VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN. THANK YOU TO THE UNIVERSITY FOR HOSTING US TONIGHT, AND MOST IMPORTANTLY THANK YOU TO THOSE WATCHING TONIGHT, ELECTION DAY IS NOVEMBER 3RD. DON'T FORGET TO VOTE. THANK YOU EVERYONE, AND HAVE A GREAT NIGHT. . >> AND AN EXTRAORDINARY FINAL DEBATE BETWEEN THE 2 CANDIDATES, MUCH MORE SUBSTANTIVE AND CLASH OF IDEAS IN THE PREVIOUS DEBATE BETWEEN THE 2 CANDIDATES. IT WAS AS IF THE MUTING OF THE MICROPHONES WORKED, OR EACH OF THEM NOTICED WHERE THEY WERE STANDING WAS IN THE POLLS AND KNEW WHAT THEY HAD TO DO TONIGHT. DO YOU CALLED IT, YOU SAID THIS WOULD BE A DIFFERENT PRESIDENT TRUMP TONIGHT. >> I REMEMBER LAST TIME, THE LAST 48 HOURS, DONALD TRUMP INTERRUPTED JOE BIDEN 73 TIMES. EVEN HIS OWN SUPPORTERS WERE SAYING THAT IS NOT GOOD, AND THEY WERE EMBARRASSED FOR HIM. HE CAME ACROSS MANY AS THOUGHT AS A NOXIOUS AND A BULLY. AND PEOPLE SAY DONALD TRUMP DOES NOT LISTEN TO HIS ADVISERS, BUT WE KEPT HERE IN THE LAST 48 HOURS HIS ADVISOR SAYING, HE WILL TONE IT DOWN. HE KNOWS WHAT HE NEEDS TO DO, AND THIS IS PROBABLY THE LAST TIME THAT HE HAS AN OPPORTUNITY TO TALK TO AN AUDIENCE THAT IS NOT HIS BASE. SO HE KNOWS PEOPLE ARE WATCHING, JOE BIDEN HAD TO DO NO HARM, DO NO FOUL, DON'T ROCK THE VOTE, I THINK BOTH OF THEM CAN WALK OUT TONIGHT AND SAY, I DID VERY WELL. THE FIRST QUESTION -- >> WHAT WOULD YOU DO IN THE FUTURE TO CHANGE HOW THE CO- TRAJECTORY OF THE COVID PANDEMIC IS GOING? PRESIDENT TRUMP DID NOT ANSWER THAT QUESTION, INSTEAD HE SAID ESSENTIALLY IT IS NOT HIS FAULT AND THAT WE ARE ROUNDING THE CORNER. >> THIS WAS AN ACTUAL DEBATE. AS OPPOSED TO SOME OF THE OTHER THINGS WE HAVE, THERE WAS A REAL EXCHANGE ON THIS -- PRESIDENT TRUMP CHOSE TO DEFEND HIS RECORD, WHICH IS PROBABLY WISE FOR HIM. THIS IS A REFERENDUM ON THE PRESIDENT, IT'S NOT 90 MINUTES OF HOW HE BEHAVED TONIGHT, IT'S ABOUT 4 YEARS IN OFFICE. AND THAT IS WHAT HE HAS TO DEFEND, BUT HE DID NOT DO ON THAT QUESTION, OR EVEN THIS LAST QUESTION, WHICH HE TEED UP NICELY FOR THE PRESIDENT AFTER JOE BIDEN FOR THEM TO -- AND THE PRESIDENT DID NOT TAKE ADVANTAGE OF THOSE QUESTIONS. WHY IS THAT IMPORTANT? BECAUSE THE DYNAMIC OF THE RACE OF THE PRESIDENT IS BEHIND, AND THIS IS THE LAST MAJOR OPPORTUNITY WITH EVERYBODY WATCHING. AND, HE NEEDED MORE THAN JUST ADEQUATE, HE NEEDED TO DO SOMETHING TO CHANGE THE DYNAMIC OF THE RACE. I DON'T THINK THERE WAS ANYTHING IN TONIGHT THAT CHANGED THE DYNAMIC OF THE RACE. THEY WERE REALLY INTERESTING EXCHANGES BOTH ON COVID, BOTH ON WHAT TO DO, SMALL BUSINESS, MINIMUM WAGE, NORTH KOREA, HEALTH CARE, OBAMACARE -- THERE WAS QUITE A LOT OF SUBSTANCE. >> JOHN DO YOU THINK EITHER ONE OF THEM CHANGE THE DYNAMIC OF THE RACE? >> FOR BOTH BIDEN SUPPORTERS AND BIDEN SUPPORTERS, MY CANDIDATE DID VERY WELL TONIGHT IN TERMS OF -- I KNOW MANY TIMES DONALD TRUMP DID NOT ANSWER THE QUESTION. BUT I THINK BECAUSE THE LAST ONE WAS SO OFF THE RAILS EFFECT THAT IT WAS CIVIL, I THINK IT WAS A WIN. >> WHEN THE POLITICAL SCIENTISTS WILL SAY, UNLESS THERE IS A MAJOR -- THE WAY THE PROVINCES DIDN'T BEHAVE IN THE FIRST, ON THE POLLS DON'T CHANGE. IF THE POLLS DON'T CHANGE, JOE BIDEN IS IN BETTER SHAPE BECAUSE IF THIS RACE IS A REFERENDUM ON THE PRESIDENT'S HANDLING ON COVID, WHICH A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK IT IS, PERHAPS THE PRESIDENT GETS VERY LOW MARKS ON. THAT HE DID NOTHING TONIGHT TO ARGUE ABOUT THE FUTURE, BECAUSE THIS FUTURE IS GOING WELL INTO NEXT YEAR. AND IT HAS ISSUES THAT ARE HEALTH RELATED, BUT ALSO THE ECONOMY DOES NOT GET FIX UNTIL COVID GETS FIXED. >> HE'S STILL SAYING HE DID A GOOD JOB ON COVID, AND THE NUMBERS ARE >> THE NUMBERS ARE RISING. -- COMES IN THE NEXT REPORT ON THE NUMBER OF CASES IN AMERICA. AND THE PLACES THAT ARE NOW STRUGGLING OUR RURAL AREAS, WHICH HAVE HARDER TIMES HANDLING IT. THE HOSPITALS, WE ARE GOING TO A VERY TOUGH PERIOD. THE PRESIDENT NEEDED SOME KIND OF ANSWER TO THROW INTO THAT FUTURE, HE WAS TALKING ABOUT THE PAST. >> WE ALL KNOW TRACKING THE PRESIDENTS RHETORIC, HE HAD BEEN PROMISING THE VACCINE WOULD COME BEFORE ELECTION DAY. THE SCIENCE DID NOT BEAR THAT OUT, AND THE COMPANIES DID NOT LIKE THE POLITICAL PRESSURE. THEY WANTED TO MAKE SURE THEY HAD ALL THE SAFETY PROTOCOLS IN PLACE, AND AS WE HAVE HEARD, FROM THE HEAD OF PFIZER, IT WILL NOT BE UNTIL LATE NOVEMBER EARLY DECEMBER BEFORE THEY SUBMIT APPROVAL FOR A POTENTIAL VACCINE. AND THAT IS WHY ALL GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS SAID, FOR ALL OF US THE WIDESPREAD PUBLIC TO GET, IT IT WILL BE APRIL OF NEXT YEAR AT THE EARLIEST. I WANT TO BRING IN CBS NIKOLE KILLION, SHE STANDING BY IN THE DEBATE HALL IN NASHVILLE, AND NICOLE YOUR IMPRESSIONS OF THIS DEBATE? >> WELL I CAN TELL YOU THAT THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN IS VERY PLEASED WITH THE FORMER VICE PRESIDENTS PERFORMANCE. THEY FEEL THAT THEY PUT THE PRESIDENT ON THE DEFENSIVE, PARTICULARLY IN THE INSTANCE WHERE HE BROUGHT UP THE PRESIDENT'S ATTACKS AS TELLING ME THAT HE FLIPPED THE SCRIPT ON THE PRESIDENT. THE CAMPAIGN ALSO DOES NOT FEEL THE PRESIDENTS PERFORMANCE TONIGHT CHANGES THE TRAJECTORY OF THIS RACE, EVEN IF IT DID TAKE ON A SOFTER TONE. A FEW OTHER KEY TAKEAWAYS, THE VICE -- FORMER VICE PRESIDENT CLEARLY TRYING TO MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT THE PRESIDENT FAILED THE AMERICAN PUBLIC ON THE PANDEMIC, HE ALSO DID NOT TAKE THE BAIT WHEN THE PRESIDENT TRIED TO CHALLENGE HIM. AND THEN LASTLY, MAKING THAT QUINTESSENTIAL ARGUMENT AT THE END THAT HE WOULD BE AN AMERICAN PRESIDENT FOR ALL, TRYING TO APPEAR TO A BROAD SWATH OF VOTERS. NORAH? >> NIKOLE KILLION, THANK YOU. CBSN'S PAULA REID IS AT THE WHITE HOUSE, AND WE SAW THE PRESIDENT TONIGHT, HE DID NOT INTERRUPT AS MUCH AS HE DID IN THE PREVIOUS DEBATES. HE WAS ON THE OFFENSE, HE WAS AND WE WILL FACT SHAKE HIM LATER ON IN THIS BROADCAST, HE ALSO MADE A PERSONAL ABOUT BIDEN'S FAMILY. >> HE DID AND THAT WAS PART OF THE STRATEGY TONIGHT, I'VE BEEN TEXTING WITH SOME OF THE PRESIDENTS ADVISERS, AND ONE JUST TEXTED ME BACK SAYING THE MAN STUCK TO THE PLAN. PART OF THAT PLAN WAS NOT TO INTERRUPT. TO ALLOW HIS OPPONENTS TO SPEAK POTENTIALLY, MAKE A MISTAKE. THE OTHER PART OF THE STRATEGY WAS TO BRING UP BIDEN'S SON HUNTER, BUT THOSE ACCUSATIONS INTO THE MAINSTREAM AND GET THEM IN FRONT OF TENS OF MILLIONS OF VOTERS. IT APPEARS ON THOSE 2 POINTS, HE SUCCEEDED. >> PAULA REID, THANK YOU. JOHN YOU'RE GONNA COMMENT ON THAT. >> IT'S A VERY LOW BAR THAT THE GOAL TONIGHT IS NOT TO DO THE DISASTROUS THING HE DID LAST TIME. THAT IS A BAR, YOU HAVE TO DO BETTER THAN THAT WHEN THE RACE IS NOT GOING AWAY. >> YOU HAVE TO BE ON THE OFFENSE WITHOUT BEING OFFENSIVE. >> DO YOU THINK THE VOTERS CARE ABOUT HUNTER BIDEN? >> NO. >> JOE BIDEN DID NOT TAKE THE BAIT OF THAT AT ALL. >> THE FORMER HEAD OF THE REPUBLICAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE, AND WHAT TRUMP'S CHIEF OF STAFF IS WHERE, THIS -- FORMER SENIOR ADVISER TO BARACK OBAMA WANT TO GET THEM TO WEIGH IN. VALERIE LET ME START WITH YOU. WE KNEW THAT THOSE ATTACKS ON BIDEN'S FAMILY WERE COMING, YOU SAW BIDEN RESPONDED BY SAYING I'VE RELEASED ALL 22 YEARS OF MY TAX RETURNS, WHERE ARE YOUR TAX RETURNS? IT IS ALL OUT THERE. >> WELL THAT'S RIGHT NORAH, I THINK TONIGHT THE WINNERS WHERE THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. PARTICULARLY UNDECIDED, THEY HAD AN OPPORTUNITY TO SEE BOTH MEN, THEIR COMPETENCY, THEIR TRACK RECORDS. THEIR TEMPERAMENT. AND I THINK VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN DID A VERY GOOD JOB OF SPEAKING DIRECTLY TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, AND FRAMING ALL OF HIS ANSWERS IN THE CONTEXT OF WHAT IT WOULD MEAN TO YOUR LIFE. I DON'T THINK THAT THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ARE INTERESTED IN HIS SON, OR ANY OF THOSE ISSUES, THEY ARE INTERESTED WHAT'S WHAT HAPPENING AROUND THE KITCHEN TABLE. I THINK THAT'S WHERE BIDEN IS THE STRONGEST, FROM A HEALTH CARE, TO COVID-19, TO RACE RELATIONS TO OUR COUNTRY, TO úO >> YOU FOLLOW THE POLLS OF THE STATE OF THE RACE, SO CLOSELY. TRUMP WON THE SENIOR VOTE IN 2016, HE IS NOW TRAILING BIDEN ACCORDING TO THE WALL STREET JOURNAL, BY 27 POINTS. WHAT HAS HAPPENED IN THE STATE OF THIS RACE? >> I DON'T KNOW IF THAT IS TRUE NORAH, THAT'S CERTAINLY WHAT THE POLL SAYS BUT I DON'T THINK THAT IS THE CASE. IF THAT WERE THE CASE, WE WOULD BE LOSING FLORIDA BY DOUBLE DIGITS RIGHT NOW. THAT IS JUST NOT TRUE, I THINK PRESIDENT TRUMP PROBABLY WINDS FLORIDA. I THINK THINGS ARE A LITTLE BIT TIGHTER IN THIS RACE, THEN I THINK SOME OTHER PEOPLE ARE TALKING ABOUT. THE PRESIDENT DID A FEW THINGS TODAY WHICH WAS NOT IN THE PLAN, NUMBER ONE I THINK HE WAS CHARMING TONIGHT, I THINK U.S. PRESIDENTIAL. HE OBVIOUSLY LED BIDEN'S TOP, WHICH DICKERSON JUST ALLUDED TO, -- BUT NUMBER 3 PIVOTED BACK TO BIDEN A LOT. AND ULTIMATELY THE BIGGEST SCORE FOR THE PRESIDENT WAS WHEN HE SAID, ALL TOP NO ACTION, YOU HAVE BEN IN POLITICS FOR 47 YEARS, VICE PRESIDENT FOR 8 YEARS YOU DIDN'T DO IT AND HERE YOU ARE COMING HERE AND TELLING US ABOUT ALL YOUR PLANS. THERE IS A LOT TO TALK ABOUT TONIGHT, OBVIOUSLY WE DON'T HAVE THE TIME TO GO THROUGH IT ALL, BUT CERTAINLY A BETTER DEBATES I THINK THE PRESIDENT DID VERY WELL AND I ALSO THINK THE MODERATOR DID A MUCH BETTER JOB >> GLASS YOUR QUESTION, DO YOU THINK THE PRESIDENT DID ANYTHING THAT CHANGE THE TRAJECTORY OF THAT RACE TONIGHT? >> THE MARGINS ARE SO SMALL. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT 2 TO 3% OF THE PUBLIC OUT THERE THAT YOU CAN INFLUENCE. IN A STATE LIKE WISCONSIN, OR MICHIGAN, YOU CAN INFLUENCE 4 OR 5000 PEOPLE IN AN ENTIRE STATE. IT CAN BE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN, WINNING AND LOSING. WE WILL GO TO COURT, POTENTIALLY, OVER BALLOT SIGNATURES, AND POSTAGE STAMPS FOR THE NEXT 2 MONTHS. POTENTIALLY. I HOPE NOT, BUT IT COULD HAPPEN. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT INFLUENCING JUST A SPECK OF PEOPLE. THAT IS WHAT IT IS COMING DOWN TO. >> THEY VALÉRIE JARRETT, RIGHT IN, THANK YOU BOTH. WE ARE TAKING A SHORT BREAK, AND WHEN WE COME BACK, WE WILL FACT-CHECKER THE CANDIDATES. COVERAGE OF THE PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE CONTINUES. TIME FOR THE FACT CHECK. LET'S BRING IN CBS NEWS CHIEF WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT, MAJOR GARRETT. MAJOR? >> LET'S START WITH THE FIRST ONE. PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID THE PANDEMIC WOULD GO AWAY, AND WE ARE ROUNDING THE CORNER, AND GOING AWAY. WE RATE THAT IS FALSE, AND HERE IS WHY. CORONAVIRUS CASES ARE CURRENTLY INCREASING IN 34 STATES, HOSPITALIZATIONS ARE RISING IN 37, AND HERE IS A KEY STATISTIC THAT BACKS US UP ON THAT FALSE ASSERTION. THE U.S. IS AVERAGING 59,000 NEW CASES, PER DAY, ACCORDING TO THE NEW YORK TIMES DATABASE. THAT IS THE MOST, ON A DAILY AVERAGE, SINCE AUGUST. THE NEXT ONE, PRESIDENT TRUMP SAID THAT THE SPYING ON HIS CAMPAIGN, THE IMPLICATION BEING PRESIDENT BOMBER, VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN, THOSE IN THE OBAMA IN MINISTRATION. BOTH THE SENATE COMMITTEE ON INTELLIGENCE, AND THE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE GENERAL REPORTS, SAID THAT IS NOT TRUE. THAT IS WHY WE RAIDED IS FALSE. MANY CHAPTERS AND VERSUS TO THIS, AND THOSE WILL SAY CARTER PAGE, AND YES, THERE WAS SURVEILLANCE OF CARTER PAGE, THAT WAS CRITICIZED BY THE GENERAL, BUT HE WAS NOT A SIGNIFICANT WIRED ANYTIME. THE FORMER SAYS THAT THE BONDED IN OBAMA ADMINISTRATION DID NOT HAVE A POLICY OF SEPARATING FAMILIES. WE RATE THAT IS TRUE. THEY WERE SEPARATED, IN RARE INSTANCES, TO PROTECT CHILDREN, OR IF THOSE THAT THEIR PARENTS WERE IDENTIFIED TO BE CRIMINALS, OR THREATS TO THE CHILDREN, BUT IT WAS NOT A SYSTEMIC POLICY, AS IT WAS WITH THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, AND OUTGROWTH OF THEIR ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY AT THE BORDER, AND NORAH YOU SAW SOME OF THOSE FACILITIES THAT TRUMP CONTRACTED WITH. THAT IS ONE RATE THE ASSERTION BY FORMER VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN, THERE IS NO POLICY TO SEPARATE FAMILIES, AS TRUE. >> VERY HELPFUL. WE WILL BE BACK WITH SOME FINAL THOUGHTS, INCLUDING TRUMP'S STATEMENT ON THE LEAST RACIST PERSON IN THE ROOM, HIMSELF WE WILL BE RIGHT BACK. FINAL DEBATE, AND QUITE A LOT TO TALK ABOUT. THE FINAL QUESTION, WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THE PEOPLE WHO DID NOT VOTE FOR YOU? THAT IS THIS QUESTION, WHO CAN BE MOVED WELL THERE ARE SMALL AMOUNTS OF PEOPLE WHO CAN MAKE DIFFERENCE IN A CLOSE CONTEST. >> IT'S A GREAT QUESTION. THIS IS WHAT GOVERNING IS ABOUT IN AN AGE OF HIGH PARTISANSHIP. WHEN YOU NEED TO CONVINCE THE COUNTRY TO DO SOMETHING ON THE PANDEMIC, YOU HAVE TO CONVINCE THE ENTIRE COUNTRY. YOU CANNOT JUST TALK TO YOUR BASE. THE OTHER HALF OF THE COUNTRY IS THE ONE STAYING AT HOME, BEING AFRAID, NOT GOING ON PARTICIPATING THE ECONOMY. YOU NEED TO HAVE THE LANGUAGE TO TALK TO THE ENTIRE COUNTRY. IT'S WHY WE SHOULD TEST SCANDALS FOR WHAT THE JOB IS LIKE. THE QUESTION TEE THAT UP, AND PEOPLE SHOULD LOOK AT THE ANSWERS, AND SEE WHO HAS THE CAPACITY TO HEAR PART OF THE COUNTRY THAT IS NOT IN MY BASE, AND SPEAK TO THAT PART. >> DONALD TRUMP DIDN'T ANSWER THAT QUESTION, BUT JOE BIDEN DID. >> HOW DID YOU SEE THIS CONTEST? >> I WAS STILL STRUCK BY THE QUESTION, THE STATEMENT, I AM THE LEAST RACIST PERSON IN THE ROOM. FIRSTLY, I LOST MY HEARING, AND THEN I WONDER, TO WHO ALSO IS IN THE ROOM? WHEN YOU ARE A LITTLE KID, YOUR MOM TELLS YOU THAT ACTIONS SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS. WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE PRESIDENTS ACTIONS, THE LAST DEBATE, IT WAS A CLEAR DOG WHISTLE, AND MANY PEOPLE BELIEVE, TO THE PROUD BOYS TO STAND BACK AND STAND BY. YOU KEEP SAYING, I DENOUNCE THESE WHITE SUPREMACIST GROUPS, BUT TO DENOUNCE THEM, IT IS TO SAY, I DO NOT WANT YOUR SUPPORT. >> THE QUESTION BY KRISTEN WALKER, IS REALLY ABOUT HOW YOU TELL A FAMILY WHO IS DEALING WITH THIS. IT REALLY EVOKED IN EMPATHETIC ANSWER, YET HE SAID BLACK LIVES MATTER, AND WENT ON ABOUT THE CHANCE THAT WERE ALLEGEDLY SET OF PROTESTS. >> AS SOMEONE WHO HAS HAD THAT CONVERSATION, I THOUGHT KRISTEN POINTED OUT QUITE WELL WHERE THE YEAR INCOME LEVEL IS HERE, OR HERE. YOUR SKIN DOESN'T CHANGE WHEN YOU WALK OUT OF THE HOUSE. SHE HIT THAT REALLY WELL ON THE HEAD, AND I THINK IT WOULD'VE BEEN A GREAT OPPORTUNITY FOR HIM TO ADDRESS THAT. HE DID NOT. HE SPENT MUCH OF THAT TIME TALKING ABOUT HOW HE DID THIS FOR HBCUS. HE ALWAYS BRINGS UP THE OPPORTUNITY ZONES, WHICH IS A NOT FIND OUT A WAY TO UNITE THE COMMUNITY, WHICH IS REALLY RIGHT NOW, FEELING LIKE IT IS UNDER SIEGE, AND YOU KNOW A LOT OF TIME, HE NEVER SEEMS TO ADDRESS THAT. >> THAT IS WHERE THIS LISTENING AND HEARING COMES IN. I THINK, AS THE NATION'S TOP BIRTHER FOR 5 YEARS, HE CANNOT SAY THAT HE IS THE LEAST RACIST PERSON IN THE ROOM. HE HAS TO JUMP OVER THAT AND SAY SOMETHING THAT IS MORE THAN PURE ASSERTION. IT WAS INTERESTING TO HEAR THE PRESIDENT SPEAK AS HE DOES IN RALLIES, AND IN SHORTHAND. I DON'T KNOW IF ANYONE KNOWS WHAT AOC PLUS 3 IS. >> OUTSIDE OF WASHINGTON, MAYBE NOT. >> MAYBE SO. HE SPOKE VERY MUCH IN THE STACCATO TO PATTERN OF HIS RALLIES. JOE BIDEN WAS AT PAINS, SO MUCH SO, THAT THE PRESIDENT MADE FUN OF HIM TO TALK ABOUT THE WIDOW, AND THE WIDOWER WHO REACHES INTO THE EMPTY SPACE TO REACH THEM. THE OIL SLICK ON HIS WINDSHIELD. HE CAN NARROW CAST AT THOSE VOTERS, IN MIDWESTERN STATES, WHO IS TRYING TO REACH, WITH THOSE PERSONAL APPEALS. 3 >> JOE BIDEN SAID TONIGHT, THE CHARACTER OF THE COUNTRY IS ON THE BALLOT. HE IS TRYING TO MAKE THIS A REFERENDUM. NOT ONLY ABOUT PRESIDENT TRUMP'S LEADERSHIP DURING THE PANDEMIC, BUT ALSO, THE CHARACTER OF WHAT HAPPENS IN THE NEXT 4 YEARS. I WANT TO REMIND EVERYONE JOINING US, ON TUESDAY, NOVEMBER 3RD, FOR CBS NEWS LIVE COVERAGE OF ELECTION NIGHT. OUR COVERAGE OF THIS DEBATE CONTINUES NOW, ON A 24-HOUR STREAMING NETWORK, CBSN. THEY'LL BE MORE OF THIS ON YOUR LOCAL NEWS, ON OUR CBS NATION. I'M NORAH O'DONNELL, THANKS TO GAYLE DYCK CAIN, AND JIM DICKERSON. THIS IS CBS NEWS, IN WASHINGTON. HI EVERYONE I'M ELAINE QUIJANO, THANKS FOR JOINING US FOR OUR SPECIAL COVERAGE OF THE 2ND AND FINAL 2020 PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE. PRESIDENT TRUMP AND JOE BIDEN SHARED THE STAGE TOGETHER FOR ONE LAST TIME, BEFORE THE NOVEMBER 3RD ELECTION. WE THURSDAY NIGHT'S DEBATE FEATURED A NUMBER OF SUBSTANCE OF EXCHANGES ON A RANGE OF CRITICAL ISSUES, REGARDING THE CORONAVIRUS -- THE MICROPHONES ARE MUTED FOR CERTAIN PORTIONS TO ALLOW EACH OF THEM TO HAVE 2 MINUTES OF ENTOURAGE -- UNINTERRUPTED TIME TO RESPOND TO QUESTION. THE PRESIDENTS TONE WAS NOTABLY DIFFERENT COMPARED TO THE FIRST DEBATE, WHICH WAS MARKED BY FREQUENT INTERRUPTIONS AND AT TIMES HIGHER DISABILITIES. TONIGHT VOTERS WERE ACTUALLY ABLE TO HEAR FROM THE CANDIDATES, AND THEN I KICKED OFF WITH THE -- CLASHING OF THE HANDLING OF THE CORONAVIRUS WHICH HAS KILLED MORE THAN 220,000 PEOPLE IN THE UNITED STATES. NOW BOTH OFFERED SHARPLY DIFFERENT VISIONS OF HOW TO HANDLE THE TECH PANDEMIC, THE PRESIDENT DEFENDED HIS RESPONSE, AND PROMISE THAT A VACCINE WOULD BE READY IN WEEKS. WELL THE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT WARNED THE NATION IS HEADING úT THE CANDIDATES ALSO SPARRED OVER ELECTION INTERFERENCE AND FOREIGN ENTANGLEMENTS. PRESIDENT TRUMP TOOK A METAL JOE BIDEN'S SON, HUNTER BIDEN, OVER HIS BUSINESS INTERESTS ABROAD. BOTH CANDIDATES ACCUSED EACH OTHER OF CORRUPTION. BUT IS THIS ALL ENOUGH TO CHANGE THE MINDS OF UNDECIDED VOTERS IN AMERICA? IMPORTANT TO NOTE THAT MORE THAN 47 MILLION AMERICANS HAVE ALREADY CAST THEIR BALLOTS. HERE IS MORE OF WHAT YOU MAY HAVE MISSED FROM THE DEBATE. >> IT WILL GO AWAY, AND AS I SAY, WE ARE ROUNDING THE TURN WE ARE ROUNDING THE CORNER. IT IS GOING AWAY. >> 220,000 AMERICANS DID, -- HE'S NOT TAKING CONTROL, IN FACT NOT SAYING -- ANYONE WHO'S RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT MANY DEATHS, SHOULD NOT REMAIN AS A PRESIDENT. >> I CAUGHT IT, I LEARNED A LOT. GREAT DOCTORS, GREAT HOSPITALS. WE HAVE TO RECOVER, WE CAN'T CLOSE UP OUR NATION. WE HAVE TO OPEN OUR SCHOOL, AND WE CAN'T CLOSE UP OUR NATION. OR YOU ARE NOT GOING TO HAVE A NATION. >> HE SAYS WE ARE LEARNING TO LIVE WITH IT. PEOPLE ARE LEARNING TO DIE WITH IT. YOU FOLKS HOME WILL HAVE AN EMPTY CHAIR AT THE KITCHEN TABLE THIS MORNING, THAT MANNER WIFE GOING TO BED TONIGHT AND REACHING OVER TO TRY AND TOUCH THEIR -- OUT A HABIT WHERE THE HUSBAND AND WIFE WAS IS GONE. LEARNING TO LIVE WITH IT, COME ON. WE ARE DYING WITH IT. WITH REGARD TO UKRAINE, WE HAD THIS WHOLE QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT HE WAS ON THE BOARD, I LATER LEARNED -- A COMPANY THAT SOMEHOW I HAD DONE SOMETHING WRONG. YET EVERY SINGLE SOLITARY PERSON, WHEN HE WAS GOING THROUGH HIS IMPEACHMENT TESTIFYING UNDER OATH WHO WORKED FOR HIM SAID I DID MY JOB IMPECCABLY. I CARRIED OUT U.S. POLICY, NOT ONE SINGLE SOLITARY THING WAS OUT OF LINE. >> HIS SON DID NOT HAVE A JOB FOR A LONG TIME, SADLY NO LONGER IN THE MILITARY SERVICE. I WON'T GET INTO THAT. HE DID NOT HAVE A JOB, AS SOON AS IT BECAME VICE PRESIDENT, -- NOT THE BEST REPUTATION IN THE WORLD, I HEAR THEY PAID HIM 183,000 A MONTH. PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS WILL ALWAYS STAY, WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS A MUCH BETTER HEALTH CARE, MUCH BETTER. WE WILL ALWAYS PROTECT PEOPLE WITH PRE-EXISTING, SO I'D LIKE TO TERMINATE OBAMACARE. >> HE'S ALREADY COST THE AMERICAN PEOPLE BECAUSE OF HIS TERRIBLE HANDLING OF THE CORONAVIRUS AND THE ECONOMIC SPILLOVER, 10 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE LOST THEIR PRIVATE INSURANCE. AND HE WANTS TO TAKE AWAY 22 MILLION MORE PEOPLE WHO HAVE IT UNDER OBAMA CARE, AND OVER 110 MILLION PEOPLE WITH PRE- EXISTING CONDITINS AND ALL THE PEOPLE FROM COVID ARE GONNA HAVE PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS. WHAT ARE THEY GOING TO DO? THE FACT OF THE MATTER IS, THERE IS INSTITUTIONAL RACISM IN AMERICA. >> NOBODY HAS DONE MORE FOR THE BLACK COMMUNITY AND DONALD TRUMP. CRIMINAL JUSTICE REFORM, OBAMA AND JOE DID NOT DO IT, WE HAVE DONE AN INCREDIBLE JOB ENVIRONMENTALLY. WE HAVE THE CLEANEST AIR, THE CLEANEST WATER, AND THE BEST CARBON EMISSIONS STANDARDS THAT WE HAVE SEEN IN MANY YEARS. >> CLIMATE CHANGE, CLIMATE WARMING, GLOBAL WARMING IS AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT TO HUMANITY. WE HAVE A MORAL OBLIGATION TO DEAL WITH IT. >> IF HE GETS IN, YOU WILL HAVE A DEPRESSION THE LIKES YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN. IT WILL BE A VERY SAD DAY FOR THIS COUNTRY. >> I'M GOING TO MAKE SURE THAT YOU ARE REPRESENTED. I'M GONNA GIVE YOU HOPE, WE ARE GOING TO MOVE, WE'RE GONNA CHOOSE SCIENCE OVER FICTION, WE'RE GONNA CHOOSE HOPE OVER FEAR, WE'RE GONNA CHOOSE TO MOVE FORWARD BECAUSE WE HAVE ENORMOUS OPPORTUNITIES, ENORMOUS OPPORTUNITIES TO MAKE THINGS BETTER. >> JOINING ME NOW TO BREAK DOWN THE DEBATE IS CAITLIN HUEY- BURNS, NIKOLE KILLION AND MAJOR GARRETT. CAITLIN IS CBSN POLITICAL REPORTER, NICOLE IS A CBS NEWS CORRESPONDENT, THEY BOTH JOIN US FROM NASHVILLE AND MAJOR IS OUR CBS NEWS CHIEF WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT JOINING US. FROM WASHINGTON, WELCOME IT'S GREAT TO HAVE YOU ALL. NIKOLE, YOU ARE THERE IN THE DEBATE HALL, I WANT TO GET YOUR TAKE ON THE PRESIDENT'S STRATEGY FOR THIS PARTICULAR DEBATE. IT SEEMED TO BE NOTICEABLY DIFFERENT THAN THE APPROACH HE TOOK AT THE FIRST DEBATE? >> WELL IT WAS DIFFERENT, BUT IN SOME WAYS IT WAS THE SAME, A LITTLE AHEAD OF THE DEBATE TRUMP CAMPAIGN OFFICIAL TOLD ME THAT CERTAINLY WHAT THE PRESIDENT WAS GOING TO TRY TO ABIDE BY THE RULES OF THIS DEBATE IF HE FELT THE NEED TO INTERJECT, HE WOULD. I THINK YOU SAW THAT TONIGHT, HE DID SHOWS MORE RESTRAINT BUT HE ALSO JUMPED IN WHERE HE FELT HE WANTED TO CHALLENGE THE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT, AND SO YOU KNOW CERTAINLY WHILE WE SAW SOFTER TONES FROM BOTH OF THE CANDIDATES IT DID END UP BEING MORE SUBSTANTIVE FOR THE VIEWING OR CERTAINLY. THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN IS FEELING PRETTY GOOD ABOUT THEIR CANDIDATES PERFORMANCE AS IS THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN, WHICH TELLS ME THEY FEEL THEY PUT THE PRESIDENT ON THE DEFENSIVE TONIGHT THEY FEEL THAT EVEN THOUGH THERE WAS THIS SOFTER TONE IT MAY NOT HAVE NECESSARILY CHANGE THE TRAJECTORY OF THE RACE AS FAR AS THE PRESIDENT IS CONCERNED. >> CAITLIN LET ME ASK YOU MOVING INTO THE NIGHT, WHAT WERE OFFICIALS OF THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN SAYING ABOUT THE MISSION FOR THE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT TONIGHT? >> THE MISSION FOR BIDEN WAS THE OPPOSITE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP, WHICH WAS TO KEEP THIS RACE THE WAY IT IS. KEEP IT AT THE STATUS QUO NOT TO DO ANYTHING TO DISRUPT THE STATE OF THIS RACE RIGHT NOW AND THAT IS BECAUSE BIDEN IS LEADING IN KEY BATTLEGROUND STATES AND HE IS LEADING ON THE ISSUE OF HANDLING CORONAVIRUS. WE HAVE SEEN THAT NOW ARE POLLING IN KEY STATES THAT VOTERS ARE DISAPPROVING OUT THE PRESIDENT'S HANDLING OF THE PANDEMIC AND THAT IS CONTRIBUTING TO BIDEN'S LEAD AND A KEY STATES. SO THAT IS WHY YOU SAW THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN TRY TO NOT ROCK THE BOAT, AND TRY TO KEEP THE PANDEMIC FRONT AND CENTER. THIS COMES OF COURSE IS THE PRESIDENT SEEMS TO HAVE BEEN LISTENING TO ADVISERS WHO AFTER THE LAST DEBATE, SAID THAT THEY WANTED TO, THEY WANTED HIM TO INTERRUPT LESS AND ALLOW BIDEN MORE TIME TO STUMBLE. WE DID SEE HUGE STUMBLES FROM BIDEN TONIGHT, THE QUESTION OF COURSE IS, WITH 12 DAYS LEFT IN 47 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY CAST THEIR BALLOTS, DOES THIS DO MUCH TO CHANGE THE TRAJECTORY OF THE RACE? REPUBLICANS MAY LOOK AT TONIGHT AND MAYBE IT HELPED SOME DOWN BALLOT REPUBLICANS IN KEY SENATE RACES THAT ARE GOING TO BE REALLY BIG CONTESTS. THE BIDEN TEAM HOWEVER BELIEVES THE PRESIDENT DISPLAYED A DIFFERENT KIND OF BEHAVIOR THAN HE DID AT THE FIRST DEBATE AND THE PRESIDENT IS STILL HOOLEY IS, AND YOU HEARD THAT FROM BIDEN TONIGHT. SAYING YOU KNOW WHY AM YOU KNOW WHO HE IS. THE CHARACTER IS ON THE BALLOT. >> THE DEBATE STARTED WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP BEING ASKED ABOUT A SURGING NUMBER OF CORONAVIRUS CASES. HE TALKED ABOUT HIS OWN ILLNESS, AND HAD THIS TO SAY ABOUT A POTENTIAL VACCINE THAT'S LISTEN. >> WE HAVE A VACCINE THAT IS COMING, IT'S READY, IT'S GOING TO BE ANNOUNCED WITHIN WEEKS. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP I WOULD LIKE TO FOLLOW UP WITH YOU IN YOUR COMMENTS, YOU TALKED ABOUT TAKING A THERAPEUTIC, I ASSUME YOU'RE REFERENCING REGENERON, AND YOU'RE SAYING A VACCINE WILL BE COMING WITHIN WEEKS. IT'S NOT A GUARANTEE? >> NO IT'S NOT A GUARANTEE, BUT IT WILL BE BY THE END OF THE YEAR. BUT I THINK HAS A GOOD CHANCE, THERE 2 COMPANIES WITHIN A MATTER OF WEEKS, AND IT WILL BE DISTRIBUTED VERY QUICKLY. >> SO MAJOR, WHAT IS THE REALITY WHEN IT COMES TO A VACCINE? >> IT'S AN DEVELOPMENT, THE ADMINISTRATION HAS POURED BILLIONS OF DOLLARS INTO IT AND WITH ITS OPERATION WARP SPEED HAS PRIORITIZE THIS ABOVE ANY OTHER COVID-19 RESPONSE. THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE IN THE ACADEMIC AND RESEARCH WORLD THAT SAY, OR MANY OF THE STEPS THE ADMINISTRATION IS TAKEN HAVE MOVED ASIDE INCREDIBLY RAPID PACE. IF A VACCINE THAT HAS ACCEPTED AND RESPONSIVE, MEANING AFFECTIVE CAN BE DEVELOPED BY THE END OF THIS CALENDAR YEAR, THAT WOULD BE APPROXIMATELY WARP SPEED. THAT'S NOT BEFORE THE ELECTION, THAT WAS FOR THE PERSISTENT PROMISE OF THIS PRESIDENT. IT'S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN, AND THE VERY RHETORIC IT WAS USED. ALMOST GUARANTEE THAT, THE VACCINE ITSELF. DAMPENING PUBLIC WILLINGNESS TO ACCEPT A TRUMP MANUFACTURED IN A POLITICAL CONTEXT VACCINE. THE PRESIDENT HAD TO BACK OFF ALL OF THAT. THAT DOESN'T MEAN A VACCINE IS AVAILABLE. IN TENS OF MILLIONS OF DOSES AT THE END OF THIS YEAR, AND GIVEN THE MOST VULNERABLE POPULATIONS, AND FRONTLINE WORKERS. THAT IS NOT A NET POSITIVE IN THIS COUNTRY, IT MOST CERTAINLY WILL BE, -- WILL CERTAINLY POINT TO SOME ELEMENT OF CREDIT OF THAT. CASES KEEP INCREASING HOSPITALIZATIONS KEEP INCREASING AND THE PRESIDENT SEEM STUBBORNLY IN DIFFERENT -- AND THAT INDIFFERENCE WRAPS HIM EVERY TIGHTLY AROUND HIS OVERALL RESPONSE, AND OVERALL REPOSE APPROACH TO THIS UNDERLYING PANDEMIC WHICH IS TO SAY -- GO BACK THAT UP. >> NICOLE I KNOW I WANT TO, NIXON HAVE TO GET GOING A FEW MINUTES. THERE'S A MOMENT -- CONTROL ROOM COMING UP HERE. OUR VIEWERS WERE UNDERSTAND THE CONTEXT OF THIS RESPONSE. THE MODERATOR, CHRISTIAN WELCH ARE ASKED THE CANDIDATES AT ONE POINT ABOUT THE ISSUE OF BLACK AND BROWN AMERICANS. SHE SAID I WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE WAY BLACK AND BROWN AMERICANS EXPERIENCE RACISM IN THIS COUNTRY, SHE MENTIONED PART OF THE EXPERIENCE BEING CALLED THE TOP. WHERE YOU HAVE, PEOPLE REGARDLESS OF CLASS AND INCOME, PEOPLE OF COLOR WHO ARE PARENTS, FEELING AS THOUGH THEY HAVE NO CHOICE BUT TO PREPARE THEIR CHILDREN FOR THE CHANCE THAT PERHAPS THEY COULD BE TARGETED, INCLUDING BY THE POLICE SHE SAID FOR NO REASON SIMPLY BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN. SHE DIRECTLY SAID, VICE PRESIDENT IN THE NEXT 2 MINUTES I WANT YOU TO SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THESE FAMILIES, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY THESE PARENTS FEAR FOR THEIR CHILDREN? NOW LET'S GO AHEAD AND LISTEN TO THE ANSWERS. >> I DO. MY DAUGHTER IS A SOCIAL WORKER, I NEVER HAD TO TELL MY DAUGHTER IF SHE IS PULLED OVER MAKE SURE SHE PUTS ... FOR A TRAFFIC STOP, PUT BOTH HANDS ON TOP OF THE WHEEL AND DON'T REACH FOR THE GLOVE BOX. BECAUSE SOMEONE MAY SHOOT YOU. WHAT A BLACK PARENT, NO MATTER HOW WEALTHY HOW POOR THEY ARE, HAS TO TEACH THEIR CHILD THAT WHEN YOU ARE WALKING DOWN THE STREET, DO NOT HAVE A HOODIE ON WHEN YOU CROSS THE STREET. >> PRESIDENT TRUMP SAME QUESTION TO YOU AND LET ME REMIND YOU OF THE QUESTION, I WOULD LIKE YOU TO SPEAK DIRECTLY TO THESE FAMILIES, DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY THESE PARENTS FEAR FOR THE CHILDREN? >> YES I DO. AND AGAIN, HE HAS BEEN A GET -- IN GOVERNMENT FOR 47 YEARS, AND HE HAS NEVER DONE NOTHING. EXCEPT IN 1994, WHEN HE DID SUCH HARM TO THE BLACK COMMUNITY AND THEY WERE CALLED, AND HE CALLED THEM SUPER PREDATORS. HE SAID THAT SUPER PREDATORS AND THEY HAVE NEVER LIVE THAT DOWN, IN 1994 YOUR CRIME BILL. THE SUPER PREDATORS. NOBODY HAS DONE MORE FOR THE BLACK COMMUNITY AND DONALD TRUMP. AND IF YOU LOOK WITH THE EXCEPTION OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN, POSSIBLE EXCEPTION BUT THE EXCEPTION OF ABRAHAM LINCOLN NOBODY HAS DONE WHAT I HAVE DONE. >> NIKOLE HOW DID THAT ANSWER PARTICULAR FROM PRESIDENT TRUMP COMPORT WITH WHAT WE'VE HEARD FROM THE PRESIDENT ON THIS ISSUE OF RACE IN AMERICA IN EARLIER KIND OF COMMENTARY AND OTHER SCENARIOS WHERE HE HAS BEEN ASKED ABOUT THIS? >> LOOK I MEAN, THIS IS AN ARGUMENT THAT YOU HAVE HEARD THE PRESIDENT MAKE MANY TIMES, WHEN THE ISSUE OF RACE COMES UP SPECIFICALLY AS IT RELATES TO AFRICAN AMERICANS, HE TRIES TO MAKE THE CASE THAT HE HAS DONE A LOT FOR AFRICAN AMERICANS. BUT CERTAINLY MANY WOULD CHALLENGE THAT BASED ON SOME OF HIS RHETORIC HE'S ALSO HEARD CHRISTIAN WELCH ARE ASKED HIM ABOUT -- EVEN WITH THE FIRST DEBATE STAND BACK STAND DOWN, SO FROM THAT STANDPOINT I THINK SOMETIMES IT'S REALLY HARD FOR SOME AFRICAN COMMUNITY TO REALLY KNOW WHERE THIS PRESIDENT COMES DOWN WHEN YOU WANT TO SAY YOU ARE DOING A LOT FOR THEM. BUT THEN YOU ARE ALSO MAKING COMMENTS TO THE CONTRARY. FORMER VICE PRESIDENT JOE BIDEN HAS SOME EXPLAINING TO DO TO HE HAS TAKEN A LOT OF FLAK PARTICULARLY AMONG AFRICAN AMERICAN MALES FOR THAT 1994 CRIME BILL. YOU HAVE HEARD HIM TALK ABOUT BEING A MISTAKE, AS FAR AS AS SOME OF THESE HARSHER RULES THAT HAVE BEEN ON THE BOOKS THAT LED TO THE MASS INCARCERATION OF AFRICAN AMERICAN MEN. WE EVEN TALKED TO SOME BLACK MALE VOTERS HERE IN NASHVILLE BEFORE THE DEBATE, AND ONE OF THEM TELLING THE, HEAT THEY DIDN'T FEEL THAT EITHER CANDIDATE HAS REALLY DONE AN ENOUGH AND HAVE PLANNED THAT FULLY ADDRESS THE AFRICAN AMERICAN COMMUNITY. KNOWING THAT IT IS NOT A MONOLITH, BUT CERTAINLY THEY FELT THAT BOTH CAMPAIGNS KIND OF HAD A LITTLE BIT MORE, THAT THEY NEEDED TO DO ON THIS ISSUE, SO I THINK YOU HEARD BOTH OF THE CANDIDATES TRY TO MAKE THAT APPEAL AS BEST THEY CAN, EVEN THOUGH THEY CANNOT NECESSARILY BE IN THE SHOES OF A BLACK OR BROWN PERSON, THIS DID GIVE THEM THE OPPORTUNITY TO AT LEAST TRY TO SHOW THAT THEY UNDERSTAND SOME OF THE SYSTEMIC RACISM THAT WE HAVE SEEN IN THIS COUNTRY, YOU KNOW FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS. >> ALL RIGHT NIKOLE KILLION, THANK YOU I KNOW YOU HAVE TO GET GOING. THANK YOU FOR STAYING UP LATE WITH US. WE REALLY APPRECIATE IT. LET'S CONTINUE OUR CONVERSATION, CAITLIN I WANT TO TURN BACK TO THE ISSUE OF THE CORONAVIRUS, BECAUSE NOT SURPRISINGLY, JOE BIDEN DID GO AFTER PRESIDENT TRUMP VERY FORCEFULLY ON HIS RESPONSE TO THE CORONAVIRUS. LET'S GO AHEAD AND LISTEN TO SOME OF THAT. >> HE SAYS THAT WE ARE LEARNING TO LIVE WITH IT. PEOPLE ARE LEARNING TO DIE WITH IT. YOU FOLKS HOME WILL HAVE AN EMPTY CHAIR THE KITCHEN TABLE THIS MORNING, THAT MANNER WIFE GOING TO BED TONIGHT REACHING OVER TO TRY AND TOUCH OUT A HABIT WHERE THERE WIFE OR HUSBAND, WAS ARE GONE. LEARNING TO LIVE WITH IT, COME ON WE ARE DYING WITH IT. >> SO WE HEARD JOE BIDEN CAITLIN ATTACKING THE PRESIDENTS RESPONSE, DID THE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT GIVE AMERICANS A SENSE OF WHAT HIS OWN RESPONSE TO THE PANDEMIC WOULD BE IF ELECTED? >> I THINK THAT LINE, LEARNING TO LIVE WITH IT VERSUS LEARNING TO DIE WITH IT IS SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE GOING TO HEAR THE BIDEN CAMPAIGN REPEAT OVER AND OVER IN THE COMING DAYS. WANTING TO PUT A REFERENDUM ON THE PRESIDENT'S HANDLING OF THE PANDEMIC. THERE HAVE BEEN QUESTIONS ABOUT, WHAT WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT UNDER A BIDEN ADMINISTRATION. HE TRIED TO MAKE THE ARGUMENT THAT, CONTAINING THE VIRUS WOULD BE ALSO A WAY TO CONTAIN THE RECISION WILL EFFECTS OF IT. THAT WAS ALSO A LINE OF QUESTIONING TONIGHT, IS THE RESPONSE AND THE RESIDUAL EFFECTS WORSE THAN THE PANDEMIC ITSELF? THE PRESIDENT ON THE DEBATE STAGE, AND THROUGHOUT THIS CAMPAIGN, HAS ARGUED FOR OPENING THINGS BACK UP AGAIN, PUTTING THE VIRUS BEHIND HIM, EVEN THOUGH CASES ARE SPIKING PARTICULARLY IN THE MIDWEST. THE BIDEN TEAM HAS TRIED TO SAY THAT, IN ORDER TO PREVENT SOME OF THESE BIG EFFECTS, ESPECIALLY ON THE ECONOMY, CONTAINING THE VIRUS EARLIER ON AND ACKNOWLEDGING IT, WOULD HAVE BEEN THE WAY TO GO. THAT IS A QUESTION THAT, VOTERS ARE GOING TO HAVE TO ANSWER WHEN THEY ULTIMATELY CAST THEIR BALLOTS, OR SOMETHING THAT WOULD BE ON THE MINDS AS THEY CAST THEIR BALLOTS. WHAT IS REALLY INTERESTING TO ME, HAVING BEEN ON THE GROUND IN SEVERAL KEY BATTLEGROUND STATES OVER THE PAST COUPLE OF WEEKS, IS THAT A PANDEMIC IS EITHER EVERYTHING, OR IT'S NOT. FOR BIDEN SUPPORTERS, THEY OFTEN TELL US THAT THE PANDEMIC IS FRONT AND CENTER. IT IS SOMETHING THAT HAS ALTERED THE COURSE OF THEIR LIVES, THEY'VE EITHER KNOWN PEOPLE THAT HAVE DIED, OR SUFFERED FROM THE VIRUS OR IT'S JUST UPROOTED THEIR DAILY LIVES. NOT BEING ABLE TO SEND THEIR KIDS TO SCHOOL, OR SEE THEIR PARENTS. FOR TRUMP SUPPORTERS, WHEN WE ASKED THEM ABOUT THE PANDEMIC, IT'S NOT TOP OF MINE. INSTEAD, THE ECONOMY IS. AND THEY CONTINUE TO SAY THAT THEY WANT THE ECONOMY TO GET BACK TO WHERE IT WAS, BEFORE THE PANDEMIC. SO IT'S REALLY INTERESTING TO SEE KIND OF HOW THIS MESSAGE IS THIS STILL, DEPENDING ON WHO YOU ARE SUPPORTING, OR MAYBE THAT'S HOW IT SHAPING WHO WE ARE SUPPORTING. >> LET'S TURN TO THE ISSUE OF HEALTH CARE, IT'S OF COURSE A CRUCIAL ISSUE IN THIS ELECTION BOTH PRESIDENT TRUMP AND JOE BIDEN WERE ASKED ABOUT THEIR RESPECTIVE PLANS TONIGHT AND CONTROL -- LET'S GO AHEAD AND PLAY SOME OF WHAT THE PRESIDENT SAID, ABOUT HIS HEALTH CARE PLAN LET'S TAKE A LISTEN. >> HERE'S THE PROBLEM, NO MATTER HOW WELL YOU RUN, IT IT IS NO GOOD. WHAT WE WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, TERMINATE IT. WE HAVE THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE, DONE. I DON'T KNOW THAT IT'S GOING TO WORK, IF WE DON'T WIN, WE WILL HAVE TO RUN IT AND WE WILL HAVE OBAMACARE BUT IT WILL BE BETTER RUN. BUT IT NO LONGER IS OBAMACARE, BECAUSE WITHOUT THE INDIVIDUAL MANDATE, IT'S MUCH DIFFERENT. PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS, WILL ALWAYS STAY. WHAT I WOULD LIKE TO DO IS, A MUCH BETTER HEALTH CARE. MUCH BETTER. WE WILL ALWAYS PROTECT PEOPLE WITH PRE-EXISTING, I'D LIKE TO TERMINATE OBAMACARE AND COME UP WITH A BRAND-NEW BEAUTIFUL HEALTH CARE. >> ALL RIGHT, SO MAJOR EVALUATE THAT STATEMENT FOR US, KNOWING WHAT WE KNOW ABOUT THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, AND ITS CURRENT POSTURE TOWARDS OBAMACARE? >> I'M SURE IT'S TRUE THE PRESIDENT WOULD LIKE TO COME UP WITH A BEAUTIFUL HEALTH CARE PLAN, I'M SURE THAT'S TRUE HE WOULD LIKE TO. YOU NEVER HAS, THAT'S JUST A FACT. HE TRIED TO ARGUE THAT WITH LESLIE SAW -- THERE IS NO PLAN. THERE WAS AN EFFORT TO CREATE A PLAN, BACK IN THE EARLY STAGES OF THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION, WHEN REPUBLICANS CONTROL THE HOUSE IN THE SENATE. THE HOUSE PASSED THE BILL, THE SENATE REPUBLICANS COULD NOT ABIDE. THE SENATE REPUBLICANS COULD PASS A BILL, AND GO TO CONFERENCE. AND THE WHITE HOUSE WAS LEFT WITH NOTHING. AND LEFT WITH NOTHING HAS BEEN THE POSTURE OF THE TRUMP WHITE HOUSE, EVER SINCE. NOTHING, NO PLAN. AND THE PRESIDENT CAN SAY HE WANTS TO PROTECT PRE-EXISTING CONDITIONS, AND OTHER COMPONENT PARTS OF THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT THAT ARE VERY VERY POPULAR. BUT TO DO THAT, YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOME MEANS OF CREATING EXCHANGES AND THE HEALTH INSURANCE MARKET, AND MAINTAINING PRIVATE INSURANCE WITH THE PRESIDENT SAYS HE WANTS TO DO. AND A MEANS BY WHICH TO COMPLEMENT THAT THAT IS DIFFERENT THAN THE AFFORDABLE CARE ACT AND REPUBLICANS NOT LEGISLATIVELY NOT RHETORICALLY, NOT EVEN ON THE BACK OF AN ENVELOPE HAVE COME UP WITH SOMETHING THAT DOES THAT UNTIL THEY DO, IT IS ALL JUST RHETORIC. VOTERS I FIGURE THIS OUT, IT'S A BIG ISSUE IN 2018 -- DEMOCRATS FIGURE THAT OUT. IT'S A BIG ISSUE NOW, AND WHEN THE PRESIDENT TALKS TO FORMER VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN AND SAYS ALL YOU DO IS PROMISE, YOU NEVER GET ANYTHING DONE, ON THIS ISSUE OF HEALTH CARE HE IS JUST AS VULNERABLE TO THE ALLEGATION. BECAUSE HE HAS BEEN THE PRESIDENT, HE HAD A REPUBLICAN HOUSE AND REPUBLICAN SENATE, YET HE DID NOT DO IT. AND HE HAS DONE NOTHING WITH A DEMOCRATIC HOUSE MAJORITY SINCE, AND HIS IDEA OF LIKING TO HAVE A PLAN, SURE. I'D LIKE TO HAVE A LOT OF THINGS. BUT WHEN YOU ARE PRESIDENT, YOU HAVE TO PUT PEN TO PAPER, WRITE SOMETHING DOWN, AND FIND A LEGISLATIVE COMPROMISE. NO PROGRESS THERE. >> LET'S TURN TO THE ISSUE OF IMMIGRATION, AND I SPECIFICALLY WANT TO TURN TO AN EXCHANGE BETWEEN THE CANDIDATES, RELATING TO THE SEPARATION OF FAMILIES AT THE U.S. MEXICO BORDER, UNDER THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. LET'S GO AHEAD AND LISTEN TO THAT. >> 500 PLUS KIDS, CAME WITH PARENTS. THEY SEPARATED THEM AT THE BORDER TO MAKE IT A DISINCENTIVE TO COME TO BEGIN WITH. REAL TOUGH, REALLY STRONG. AND GUESS WHAT. IT'S NOT COYOTES THAT BROUGHT THEM OVER, IT WAS THEIR PARENTS WERE WITH THAT WERE WITH HIM. THEY GOT SEPARATED FROM THEIR PARENTS. AND IT MAKES US A LAUGHING STOCK AND VIOLATES EVERY NOTION OF WHO WE ARE AS A NATION. >> LET ME ASK YOUR PHONE QUESTION. >> CHRISTIAN THEY DID IT, WE CHANGE THE POLICY. WHO BUILT THE CAGES? >> LET'S TALK ABOUT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, WHAT HAPPENED, PARENTS THEIR KIDS WERE RIPPED FROM THEIR ARMS AND SEPARATED. AND NOW THEY CANNOT FIND OVER 500 SETS OF THOSE PARENTS, AND THOSE KIDS ARE ALONE. NOWHERE TO GO. NOWHERE TO GO, IT'S CRIMINAL. . >> SO FOR PEOPLE WHO ARE NOT FAMILIAR, THE QUESTION THERE WAS REALLY REFERENCING THIS REPORT WHERE YOU HAVE 545 CHILDREN WHOSE PARENTS WERE SEPARATED FROM THEM, WHO CANNOT NOW BE FOUND. MAJOR, WHAT DID YOU HEAR IN THOSE ANSWERS, YOU KNOW THAT EXCHANGE WAS QUITE LENGTHY, THAT WAS JUST PART OF IT. THAT WAS ONE OF THOSE MOMENTS WHERE THERE WAS CLEARLY A SHARP DISTINCTION TO BE DRAWN BETWEEN THESE 2 CANDIDATES. >> SHOT DISTINCTION, BUT IT IS A CLASSIC EFFORT OF THE PRESIDENT TO TAKE ONE SLANDER FACT, AND EXTRAPOLATE IT INTO AN ENTIRE ARGUMENT. THE SLENDER FACT IS, THERE WERE SOME FAMILIES, UNDER THE OBAMA BIDEN ADMINISTRATION, WHO UPON CROSSING THE BORDER, PARENTS WERE SEPARATED FROM CHILDREN. THERE WERE 2 DISTRICT REASONS FOR THAT. THE CHILDREN WERE DEEMED TO BE IN JEOPARDY BECAUSE OF PARENTS WERE UNTRUSTWORTHY, OR, ONE OF THE 2 PARENTS OR IN SOME CASES JUST ONE HAD A KNOWN CRIMINAL RECORD. AND THAT WAS SOMETHING THAT THEY WERE NOT GOING TO LET THE CHILDREN STAY, WITH AND THEY WERE GOING TO HOUSE THAT PERSON, WHO ATTEMPTED TO CROSS THE BORDER WITHOUT PROPER DOCUMENTATION, AND A CRIMINAL SYSTEM. BECAUSE THEY ARE KNOWN THREAT. WITH FENCING INVOLVED? YES. THAT'S THE SLANDER FACT. WHAT EXTRAPOLATED IN, IS THE EXACT SAME THING THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION TO, WHICH IS COMPLETE FALSEHOOD. TRUMP ADMINISTRATION CREATED A POLICY CALLED ZERO TOLERANCE, WHICH MEANT ANYONE WHO ATTEMPTED TO CROSS THE BORDER WITHOUT DOCUMENTATION, WAS GOING TO BE HELD IN CUSTODY. AND WHEN YOU ARE HELD IN CUSTODY, PARENTS WERE SEPARATED FROM CHILDREN, EVERYONE. AND THERE WERE LARGE FACILITIES, AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT CONTRACTED, WITH LOTS OF DIFFERENT CORPORATIONS TO BUILD THEM. AND FLORIDA AND IN TEXAS. THIS BECAME A LARGE, EXAMPLE AND A VISIBLE ONE, OF THIS ADMINISTRATION THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION'S, ZERO TOLERANCE POLICY. FOR ATTEMPTING TO CROSS THE BORDER WITHOUT PROPER DOCUMENTATION. AND THE SEPARATION OF THE CHILDREN, WAS A NECESSARY OUTGROWTH OF THAT POLICY DECISION. THAT POLICY DID NOT EXIST UNDER THE OBAMA BIDEN ADMINISTRATION, AND WENT FROM -- WE DID NOT DO THAT AS A MATTER OF POLICY HE IS CORRECT. BUT THEN PRESIDENT TRUMP SAYS WHAT ABOUT THE CAGES? WHO BUILT THE CAGES? THERE ARE PICTURES, AND THERE ARE SOME VERY SLENDER EXAMPLES OF THAT. BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT WAS A POLICY, THAT DOES NOT MEAN IT WAS ANYWHERE NEAR AS WIDESPREAD AS UNDER THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION. >> CAITLIN THE ISSUE OF CLIMATE CHANGE, SO PRESIDENT TRUMP HAS SAID THAT JOE BIDEN'S CLIMATE PLAN IS THE GREEN NEW DEAL WITH JOE BIDEN HAS THE 9. HE HAS SAID NUMEROUS TIMES NOW THAT HE WOULD NOT BAN FRACKING, BUT WOULD INVEST MORE IN RENEWABLE ENERGY. IS HE TRYING TO APPEAL TO PEOPLE ON BOTH SIDES OF THE AISLE WITH THIS CLIMATE PLAN? >> THIS IS REALLY A BATTLE FOR VOTERS IN THAT KEY STATE OF PENNSYLVANIA, WHICH WAS DETERMINED BY ABOUT 34,000 VOTES IN 2016. THAT IS WHY YOU HEAR THE PRESIDENT CONTINUING TO PRESS THE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT, ON HIS POSITION. BIDEN HAS SAID THAT HE WOULD OPPOSE NEW FRACKING, ON FEDERAL LANDS. AND WE HAVE SEEN BIDEN ALSO TRYING TO, NOT ONLY ENGAGE SUBURBAN VOTERS AROUND PHILADELPHIA, BUT ALSO SPEAK TO VOTERS WHO TURNED OUT FOR TRUMP IN 2016. TRYING TO KIND OF BUILD THIS BROADER COALITION OF REVVING UP THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY BASE, AND NEW ADDITIONS TO IT THAT WE SAW IN 2018, WHILE ALSO TRYING TO REACH OUT TO VOTERS WHO, MAYBE INCLINED TO SUPPORT THE PRESIDENT OR HAD SUPPORTED HIM BEFORE. SO THAT IS WHAT THIS ISSUE IS REALLY ABOUT. WE SEE CLIMATE CHANGE AS A KEY ANIMATING ISSUE FOR DEMOCRATIC VOTERS. THIS WAS AN ISSUE THAT, ALL THE TIME ON THE CAMPAIGN TRAIL, COVERING THE DEMOCRATIC PRIMARY, VOTERS WOULD BRING UP ON PROMPTED, PARTICULARLY YOUNGER VOTERS. BECAUSE THIS IS AN ISSUE, CLIMATE CHANGE, IS AN ISSUE THEY HAVE TO DEAL WITH IN THEIR LIFETIMES. AND SO THAT IS KIND OF WHERE BIDEN IS TRYING TO GO WITH, THIS AND THAT IS WHY THE PRESIDENT, YOU HEARD HIM SAY, LISTEN IN PENNSYLVANIA. LISTEN IN SOME OF THESE STATES, SO HOW THE FORMER VICE PRESIDENT RESPONDED TO THAT. >> FINALLY MAJOR, I KNOW A COUPLE OF WEEKS AGO I BELIEVE IT WAS, ON THE TAKEOUT YOU HAD AS YOUR GUESTS, -- PEOPLE WHOSE NAMES MAY NOT BE FAMILIAR TO FOLKS OUTSIDE OF WASHINGTON, BUT WHO CLEARLY HAVE THE EAR OF THE PRESIDENT AND I WONDER WHAT YOUR THOUGHTS ARE ON THE PRESIDENT THAT WE SAW TONIGHT AND HIS APPROACH, THE STRATEGY THAT HE TOOK. WHETHER YOU THINK THERE'S A CONNECTION THERE BETWEEN, THE INFLUENCE OF THOSE 2 WHO, AS I THINK YOU SAID ON OTHER SHOWS, ARE NOW COMING ACK INTO THE FOLD -- VERY MUCH BACK INTO THE FOLD. IS THAT AN INFLUENCE THAT YOU SAW TONIGHT WITH RESPECT TO THE PRESIDENT'S PERFORMANCE? >> ABSOLUTELY, JUST TO REMIND PEOPLE, -- DONALD TRUMP'S FIRST CAMPAIGN MANAGER UP UNTIL THE SUMMER OF 2016. AND THEY VASTLY BECAME THE DEPUTY CAMPAIGN MANAGER LATE SUMMER ALL THE WAY CROSSING THE FINISH LINE INTO THE ELECTION VICTORY IN NOVEMBER. SO THEY ARE SIGNIFICANT PLAYERS, THEY HAVE NEVER COME INTO THE TRUMP ADMINISTRATION AND ANY CAPACITY, INVITED TO MAYBE SOME PEOPLE TRIED TO KEEP HIM OUT BECAUSE THEY KNEW THEIR INFLUENCE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP. EITHER WAY THEY HAVE BEEN ON THE OUTSIDE, BUT NOW THEY'RE BACK IN. NOT A FORMAL WAY, THEY ARE NOT GETTING PAID AS FAR AS I UNDERSTAND. BUT THEIR ADVICE IS BEING SOUGHT ON A REGULAR BASIS, AND WHAT I SAW TONIGHT IN THE DEBATE WAS 2 THINGS. ONE, THAT DEBATE COMMISSION DID PRESIDENT TRUMP TO ENORMOUS FAVORS. THEY CHANGE THE RULES GIVING HIM SOMETHING TO MARK ABOUT, AND COMPLAIN ABOUT. AND ANOTHER PART OF THE MEDIA OR THE WASHINGTON SYSTEM THAT IS AGAINST HIM, SO IT'S A WHIPPING BOY FOR HIS SUPPORTERS TO GET ANGRY ABOUT. THAT IS ONE THING. THE OTHER THING IS IT FOR HIM, IS THAT A CHANGE THE RULES IN A WAY THAT ALLOWED THE DEBATE PREP TEAM, WHICH INCLUDES CORY LEWANDOWSKI AND BOSSY TO SAY TH PRESIDENT, KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT. LET BIDEN TALK, PERRY WHEN YOU HAVE YOUR POINTS, AND USE THIS TO YOUR ADVANTAGE. WHICH THE PRESIDENT DID. THE RULES FORCE THIS UPON HIM, BUT ALSO ALLOWED HIM TO TAKE THE ADVICE FROM HIS DEBATE PREP TEAM MORE SERIOUSLY TO HEART. MUCH OF HIS DEBATE PERFORMANCE REFLECTED THAT. ONE OF THE THINGS THAT ALSO LOOKS VERY MUCH TO ME LEWANDOWSKI EMBOSSING INFLUENCE, IF YOU WERE TO SORT OF TAKE THE MAIN DRIVING POINTS OF PRESIDENT TRUMP TONIGHT, THEY WERE AS FOLLOWS. ECONOMY, NOT A CAREER POLITICIAN, CORRUPTION, AND CHINA. ALL 4 WERE PART OF THE 2016 MESSAGE AGAINST HILLARY CLINTON. ALL 4. AND MANY OF THOSE 4, DID NOT SHOW UP IN THAT FIRST DEBATE AT ALL, IN ANY WAY SHAPE OR FORM. AND THE PRESIDENT TRIED TO GET BACK TO THOSE 4. THE BIGGEST PROBLEM FOR THE PRESIDENT ON THE CORRUPTION ANGLE IS, HE WILL SIMPLY DO NOT VIEW FORMER VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN AND THE WAY THEY DID HILLARY CLINTON. EVEN SOME NOMINAL AND LOOSELY ATTACHED DEMOCRATS THOUGHT THAT THERE WAS SOMETHING MAYBE SHAKY ABOUT THE OVERALL ETHICS OF THE CLINTON FAMILY OR HILLARY CLINTON. MOST REPUBLICANS HAD ALREADY MADE UP THEIR MIND AND DID NOT NEED ANY PERSUASION, NO CONVINCING AT ALL. BECAUSE OF A 20-YEAR SYSTEMATIC EFFORT BY REPUBLICANS TO SOW DEFINE HILLARY CLINTON. FORMER VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN DOES NOT EXIST IN THAT WORLD, SO IT IS A MUCH HARDER, MUCH MORE AGGRESSIVE CAMPAIGN YOU HAVE TO WAGE -- THERE IS REALLY NO SENSE WITHIN THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN THAT IT HAS TO STICK AND STAY HARD. BUT, IT WAS THEIR. THOSE 4 PILLARS, CHINA CORRUPTION. NOT A CAREER POLITICIAN, AND THE ECONOMY. ALL OF THAT REFLECTS THE KIND OF COUNCIL THAT I KNOW DAVE BOSSY AND CORY LEWANDOWSKI BROUGHT TO THE DEBATE PREP PROCESS. >> ALL RIGHT, CAITLIN HUEY- BURNS AND MAJOR GARRETT. WE ARE NOW THAT MUCH CLOSER TO NOVEMBER 3RD, I WANT TO THANK YOU BOTH VERY MUCH REALLY APPRECIATE IT. >> AND A REMINDER OUR DEBATE COVERAGE WILL CONTINUE FRIDAY, STARTING AT 9 AM EASTERN RIGHT HERE ON CBSN. AND, IF YOU MISSED ANY OF THE PAST DEBATES, OR IN EPISODE OF RED AND BLUE, YOU CAN CATCH UP RIGHT NOW ON THE CBS NEWS WEBSITE. JUST HEAD TO CBSNEWS.COM, SLASH RED AND BLUE. WE ARE GOING TO TAKE A QUICK BREAK, BUT WE HAVE THE REST OF YOUR DAY'S NEWS AHEAD. STAY WITH US, YOU'RE STREAMING CBSN.
