>> THE NEWS CONTINUES WITH HALLIE JACKSON RIGHT NOW. >>> IN WASHINGTON WITH RAKING NEWS SPECIAL REPORT, DONALD TRUMP ON TRIAL. JUST ONE STEP AWAY FROM THE JURY GETTING THE CASE, JUST AS SOON AS THEY HAMMER OUT JURY INSTRUCTIONS. A LONG SUPER TECHNICAL BUT SUPER IMPORTANT STRETCH TO CLOSE OUT THE DAY. JUST ONE WEEK FROM CLOSING ARGUMENTS. MISTER TRUMP REVERSING HIMSELF AND DECIDING NOT TO TESTIFY. YOU SEE HIM HERE SPEAKING LIVE IN THE HALLWAY IN COURT. HE HAS NOT SAID SO FAR WHY HE DIDN'T TESTIFY BUT HIS SON MADE THE CASE FOR HIM. >> IN A KANGAROO COURT, THERE'S NOTHING MORE, NOTHING LESS. ABSOLUTELY NO REASON, NO JUSTIFICATION TO DO THAT WHATSOEVER. >> THIS DECISION MEANS WE FINISH THIS STAGE OF THE TRIAL WITH 16 DAYS OF TESTIMONY. 22 TOTAL WITNESSES, TWO FROM THE DEFENSE AND THE REST FOR THE PROSECUTION. AND THE LAST ONE, ROBERT COSTELLO THE FORMER LEGAL ADVISOR TO MICHAEL COHAN IN THE COURTROOM ROLLING HIS EYES AT ONE POINT AS PROSECUTORS TRIED TO ATTACK HIS CREDIBILITY AND ACCUSING HIM OF TRYING TO INTIMIDATE COHEN AND COSTELLO CALLING THAT CLAIM RIDICULOUS. MOST OF THE AFTERNOON, BOY WE SPENT IT DEEP IN THE WEEDS. THE JUDGE WAS WORKING WITH BOTH SIDES TO TRY TO HASH OUT JURY INSTRUCTIONS AND LET'S BE REAL. NOT SPICY, NOT DRAMATIC, BUT SO IMPORTANT BECAUSE IT LAYS OUT EXACTLY HOW THE JURY SHOULD APPROACH THESE HISTORIC 34 FELONY CHARGES THAT MISTER TRUMP PLEADED NOT GUILTY TO. A BIG QUESTION NOW? THE TIMELINE. CLOSING ARGUMENTS UP NEXT TUESDAY WHICH IS THE EXPECTATION HERE AND THE JURY MAY GET THIS CASE LATE THAT DAY OR MORE LIKELY THE DAY AFTER BUT IN BETWEEN OF COURSE, IS A LONG MEMORIAL DAY WEEKEND. MAY BE RELAXING FOR MOST OF US AND PERHAPS LESS SO FOR THOSE 12 EVERY DAY NEW YORKERS, FOR THE TEACHER, SALESMAN, SPEECH THERAPIST AND MORE BECAUSE THEY WILL HAVE A BIG QUESTION HANGING OVER THEM FOR THE HOLIDAY. WILL YOU VOTE TO CONVICT THE FORMER PRESIDENT? FOR THE NEXT 20 MINUTES WE WRAP UP THIS TRIAL WITH A LOOK AT THE BIG QUESTION AND WHAT COMES NEXT, WITH OUR TEAM OF REPORTERS AND LEGAL AND POLITICAL EXPERTS TO BREAK IT ALL DOWN. I WILL START WITH REHEMA ELLIS OUTSIDE OF THE COURTHOUSE. WHERE DO WE LAND ON THE JURY INSTRUCTION? >> THE LAST WORDS THE JURY WILL HEAR FROM THE JUDGE BEFORE THEY GO BEHIND CLOSED DOORS TO HASH THIS THING OUT. >> YEAH, I WAS INSIDE THE COURTROOM IN THE OVERFLOW ROOM AND LET ME ADD A COUPLE CORRECTLY. TEDIOUS, COMPLICATED, AND EXTREMELY CRUCIAL BECAUSE THIS IS WHAT THESE JURORS ARE GOING TO HEAR IN TERMS OF WHAT JURY INSTRUCTION IS GOING TO BE. FOR THE EVERYDAY PERSON, WHAT IS DIRECT EVIDENCE? WHAT IS CIRCUMSTANTIAL EVIDENCE? WHAT DOES IT MEAN TO HAVE BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT, AND WHAT DOES IT MEAN, INTENT TO DEFRAUD? SOME OF THE THINGS THEY WERE HASHING OUT THIS AFTERNOON. PART OF WHAT THEY WENT THROUGH WAS ONE THING, LET ME TELL YOU THIS, ABOUT THE ACCESS HOLLYWOOD TAPE. THE DEFENSE CALLS FOR THE JURY TO BE INSTRUCTED ON THE LEGITIMATE PURPOSE OF THE ACCESS HOLLYWOOD TAPE. BUT, THAT WAS DENIED BY THE JUDGE. THE DEFENSE SAYS ESPECIALLY THAT THE TESTIMONY OF THE CASE WAS USED TO DETERMINE SOMETHING ABOUT THE IMPACT ON TRUMP AND WHY HE MAY HAVE BEEN MOTIVATED TO COMMIT FRAUD AS HE HAS BEEN ACCUSED OF COMMITTING. BUT THE JUDGE SAID THAT THERE HAS BEEN TESTIMONY ON THAT. INDEED THERE HAS. YOU REMEMBER HOPE HICKS TESTIFIED THAT WHEN THE ACCESS HOLLYWOOD TAPE CAME OUT, SHE SAID THE CAMPAIGN WAS", A MELTDOWN. THE JUDGE DENIED THE REQUEST TO GIVE THE JURY MORE INFORMATION ABOUT THAT ANOTHER REQUEST DENIED BY THE JUDGE FOR THE DEFENSE, THEY WERE ASKING SOME INSTRUCTIONS ABOUT NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS AND THAT THEY WANTED THE JUDGE TO INSTRUCT THE JURY THAT THEY ARE NOT INHERENTLY ILLEGAL. WHY? BECAUSE THERE WAS AN AND BE NDA WITH KAREN MAKE TWO AND WITH STORMY DANIELS, BOTH OF THEM BEING PAID TO KEEP THEM QUIET. THUS, THE HUSH MONEY TRIAL, AS THE TRIAL HAS BEEN SO NAMED. BUT THE JUDGE ALSO SET ON THAT, NO NEED TO GO INTO THAT. HE BELIEVES THAT THE JURY IS CLEAR ABOUT NONDISCLOSURE AGREEMENTS AND THAT THEY DON'T NEED FURTHER INSTRUCTIONS FROM THIS JUDGE ON THAT. THERE WILL BE PLENTY OF DESTRUCTION-- INSTRUCTIONS, YOU CAN DEPEND ON THAT. >> REHEMA ELLIS LIVE IN DOWNTOWN MANHATTAN AFTER ANOTHER LONG DAY IN COURT. I WANT TO BRING IN SOMEONE WHO KNOWS THE PROSECUTION'S STAR WITNESS WELL, MICHAEL CULLEN'S LEGAL ADVISOR LAINEY DAVIS. THANK YOU FOR BEING BACK ON THE SHOW. HOW IS MICHAEL COHEN DOING NOW THAT THE TRIAL IS CLOSE TO WRAPPING UP ? >> I HAVE CHOSEN NOT TO-- I DID NOT WANT IT TO COME UP IN CROSS- EXAMINATION WHAT DID YOU TALK ABOUT? BECAUSE I AM NO LONGER HIS ATTORNEY AND I DON'T WANT TO BE CALLED AS A WITNESS. >> YOU MENTIONED THE ATTEMPTS TO APPARENTLY TRY TO KEEP COHEN QUIET. WHAT CAN YOU TELL US ABOUT THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN THESE TWO? >> I KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS AND I READ ALL THE EMAILS AND I WILL OFFER YOU MY OPINION. ACT ONE. COSTELLO ASKS TO ADDRESS AND TESTIFY BEFORE THE GRAND JURY THAT ENDED UP INDICTING MISTER TRUMP. HE ASKED TO APPEAR BEFORE THE GRAND JURY, AN UNUSUAL REQUEST AND THE PROSECUTOR SAID OKAY. JUST IN CASE THE GRAND JURY WOULD LIKE TO HEAR FROM MICHAEL. THE GRAND JURY THOUGHT HIS TESTIMONY WAS SO UNIMPORTANT THAT THEY DIDN'T EVEN NEED MICHAEL TO REBUFF. SECOND, THERE WAS NEVER AN ENGAGEMENT. HE TRIED TO GET MICHAEL TO BE HIS CLIENT AND BUILD HIM FOR TIME WITHOUT AN ENGAGEMENT LETTER. THOSE ARE FACTS AND I WILL LEAVE THE REST TO THE OPINIONS OF PEOPLE LOOKING AT HIS BODY LANGUAGE TO DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT HE IS A CREDIBLE WITNESS. >> WE WILL GET INTO THAT MORE DURING THE SPECIAL REPORT BUT LET ME ASK YOU ABOUT A COUPLE OF KEY MOMENTS WHILE HE WAS ON THE STAND, MOMENTS CERTAIN TO COME UP DURING CLOSING ARGUMENTS WHICH ARE SET FOR ONE WEEK FROM TODAY. ONE IS THE ACKNOWLEDGMENT THAT HE STOLE MONEY FROM THE TRUMP ORGANIZATION AND THE OTHER, A DISCUSSION ABOUT THE PHONE CAL , THE FORMER PRESIDENT'S BODYGUARD ABOUT WHAT THE DEFENSE SAID AND WHAT COHEN SAID WAS THIS PRANK CALL HE WAS GETTIN , BUT A CALL THAT IS SO CENTRAL TO THE CASE ABOUT THIS HUSH MONEY PAYMENT AND WHAT DONALD TRUMP KNEW ABOUT IT. >> I WOULD LOVE TO HAVE A CHANCE TO FOLLOW UP ON THIS ABOUT THE ONLY TWO ISSUES FACING THE JURY. ON THE CALLED-- EVERYBODY INCLUDING YOUR AUDIENCE ARE USING CELL PHONES SO HOW DID HE COMMUNICATE WITH HIM? BY CALLING KEITH SCHILLER. THAT IS INTO EVIDENCE. ONE OF THE SUBJECTS WAS TO GET PERMISSION FROM MISTER TRUMP AFTER DAVID AND HOPE HICKS AND OTHER PEOPLE TESTIFIED, THAT THEY WANTED THEM TO KEEP MISS DANIELS QUIET RIGHT BEFORE THE ELECTION, AFTER ACCESS HOLLYWOOD MICHAEL COHEN WOULD CALL MANY TIMES HE WOULD CALL KEITH SCHILLER AND HANDED THE PHONE TO MISTER TRUMP. THAT WAS THE KEY NARRATIVE THAT MATTERED TO US AND TO ME. WHEN IT CAME TO THIS HARASSMENT ISSUE OF WHAT TURNED OUT TO BE CLAIMS OF A 14-YEAR-OLD, MICHAEL COHEN SAID HE HAD HAD THAT CONVERSATION BEFORE IT WAS TURNED OVER. THAT'S NOT A LIE, THAT IS AN OMISSION. >> WE HAVE TO GET YOU SOME MICROPHONE OR SOME HEADPHONES BECAUSE I THINK WE HAD A LITTLE BIT OF AUDIO ISSUES BUT FOLKS CUT MOST OF IT THERE. LET ME BRING IN A COUPLE PEOPLE WHO KNOW MISTER TRUMP WELL. THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING BACK. >> THANKS FOR HAVING US. >> IN STEREO AUDIO, I LOVE IT. [ LAUGHTER ] LET ME START ABOUT THESE JURY INSTRUCTIONS. IT IS TEDIOUS. YOU ARE ATTORNEYS, I AM NOT, IT IS TOUGH TO FOLLOW BUT IS SO CRITICAL. THIS IS THE LAST TIME THEY SIT HERE BEFORE GOING BEHIND CLOSED DOORS. >> WICKED IMPORTANT. IT COULD REALLY MAKE OR BREAK THE CASE FOR EITHER THE PROSECUTION OR DEFENSE. MAYBE AT THE END OF THIS WEEK OR LAST WEEK THEY WERE TALKING ABOUT JURY INSTRUCTIONS AND IT WAS ASKED, WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO ABOUT JURY INSTRUCTION? AND HE SAID I'M GOING TO FOLLOW THE ONES THAT I DID IN THE TRUMP-- CASE AND OF COURSE THOSE WERE OUR JURY INSTRUCTIONS. WE NEGOTIATED THOSE OVER WEEK. BILL DID A LOT OF THAT NEGOTIATION AND THEN A LOT OF THE ARGUMENT IN FRONT OF THE JUDGE. SAME ARGUMENTS YOU HERE TODAY ARE THE SAME ONES WE WERE PUTTING FORWARD AND I'VE GOT TO TELL YOU, EVERY WORD IN A JURY INSTRUCTION IS CRUCIAL. WE SPENT TWO DAYS FOR THE BENEFIT OF, OR ON BEHALF OF, AND THE DIFFERENCE OF THAT ONE WORD HAD TWO VERY DIFFERENT LEGAL MEANINGS AND THEN OF COURSE YOU TAKE THOSE WORDS THAT THE JUDGE CHOSE AND YOU ARGUE THE LEGAL MEANINGS ON THE PAPER. SO VERY INTERESTING. >> THE JURY IS GOING TO HAVE SIX DAYS BETWEEN NOW AND-- THEY ARE NOT BACK UNTIL AFTER THE LONG WEEKEND. HOW DOES THAT IMPACT THEIR THINKING OR STATE OF MIND? >> IT IS JUST HUMAN NATURE WHEN THERE'S SIX DAYS AND YOU'VE BEEN SITTING THERE FOR 20 DAYS. I CAN'T IMAGINE, AND I THINK THIS JURY HAS BEEN VERY ATTENTIVE, BUT IT'S JUST HUMAN NATURE. SOMEONE HAS TO BE UP AT 3:00 IN THE MORNING AND GET SICK OF PLAYING GAMES AND I'LL JUST LOOK AT ONE THING. TRUMP TRIAL. IT'S GOING TO HAPPEN. >> THAT IS, TO BE CLEAR, NOT ALLOWED. THE JUDGE MADE CLEAR. >> BUT I THINK THEY ARE GOING TO FOCUS ON THE IMPORTANT THING. I HAVE TREMENDOUS AFFECTION AND RESPECT FOR LANNY. HE ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION ABOUT THE 14-YEAR-OLD WHO MICHAEL COHEN WANTED THE SECRET SERVICE ON. HE DIDN'T GET TO THE PART ABOUT THE $60,000 OF STOLEN CLIENT MONEY. >> HIS AUDIO WAS IN AND OUT SO MAYBE WE WERE GOING TO GET TO THAT >> IT MUST OF BEEN OUT ALL WEEK. [ LAUGHTER ] WHAT I WAS SHOCKE , BECAUSE WE KNOW THESE PROSECUTORS AND WE HAVE TRIED AGAINST THEM. FRANKLY THEY SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO HIM AND READ HIS BOOK WHERE, WHEN YOU HAVE A PROBLEM SITUATION OR SCANDAL, TELL IT EARLY, TELL IT OFTEN, TELL IT YOURSELF. THEY SHOULD NOT HAVE LET THE DEFENSE SHINE A LIGHT ON THESE ISSUES AND I JUST CAN'T IMAGINE THAT ESPECIALLY THE LAWYERS ON THE CASE WON'T BE COMPLETELY TURNED OFF BY A LAWYER STEALING MONEY FROM HIS CLIENT. AND HIS OTHER POINT THAT HE HAS MADE ALL WEEK IS THAT THIS ALLEGEDLY ALLEN WEISSELBERG DOCUMENT IS LIKE THE SMOKING GUN. THIS IS THE MAP OF TROUBLE. AND THE EFFECT, I'M NOT SAYING IT EVISCERATES IT, BUT IT CERTAINLY TAINTS IT. NOW WE KNOW THAT THE NUMBERS WERE NOT QUITE WHAT THEY WERE. >> I WONDER, WHEN YOU WERE HERE I GUESS 24 HOURS AGO YOU SAID THIS IS MAYBE A GOOD CHANCE FOR HIM TO TESTIFY. WE NOW KNOW HE DID NOT-- >> GUESS WHAT? IF THE JURY GOES OUT HE HAS NO ONE ELSE TO BLAME BUT HIMSELF. IT WAS HIS DECISION ALONE. ONLY TWO DECISIONS THAT THE DEFENDANT HAS THE ABSOLUTE RIGHT TO MAKE AND IT'S ONLY A DECISION OF WHEN DO I PLEAD GUILTY OR NOT GUILTY AND DO I TAKE THE STAND IN MY OWN DEFENSE? HE CHOSE NOT TO. BUT I WANTED TO SAY ONE THING AND GIVE YOU SOME INSIGHT BASEBALL. THIS IDEA THAT COHEN HAD TO CALL SCHILLER TO TALK TO TRUMP? THAT'S NOT THE WAY IT OPERATES. I CAN TELL YOU FROM PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. THE PRESIDENT MAKES HIS OWN PHONE CALLS AND TAKES HIS OWN PHONE CALLS. HIS PHONE NUMBER IS VERY RECOGNIZABLE WHEN IT COMES UP. >> BACK WHEN HE WAS AT THE WHITE HOUSE AND NOT USING HIS CELL PHONE, PEOPLE HAD TO GO THROUGH RHONA GRAFF OR HIS RIGHT HAND PERSON. >> NOT HIS LAWYERS.'S LAWYERS DIDN'T HAVE TO. >> PEOPLE WHO HAVE DEFENDED HIM BEFORE, IF YOU ARE TAKING ON THAT JOB THIS TIME IN PREPARING FOR SUMMATION, PREPARING FOR THIS CRITICAL MOMENT IN WHICH YOU ARE ABOUT TO DELIVER CLOSING ARGUMENTS TO A JURY IN A HISTORIC CRIMINAL TRIAL, WHAT DO YOU WANT TO LEAVE THEM WITH? >> ALL ROADS LEAD TO COHEN AND IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE COHEN , YOU'VE GOT REASONABLE DOUBT, AND IT'S A NOT GUILTY. THE OTHER THING IS, IT'S LIKE, I THINK IT WAS THE OLD STALIN MINISTER WHO SAID SHOW ME THE MAN AND I'LL SHOW YOU THE CRIME. I MEAN, THIS IS REALLY BIZARRE THAT WE ARE AT CLOSING AND THEY ARE DOING A MULTIPLE-CHOICE ON WHAT THE CRIME IS GOING TO BE. I DON'T KNOW HOW YOU GO THROUGH 20 DAYS OF TRIAL AND NOT KNOW WHAT THE FELONY IS. MAYBE IT'S NEW YORK TAX LAW. MAYBE IT'S ELECTION INTERFERENCE. I'VE BEEN DOING THIS 35 YEARS AND I'VE NEVER SEEN ANYTHING LIKE IT. >> YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT THE UNDERLYING CRIME? >> LET'S SAY WE WERE CHARGED WITH CONSPIRACY TO TAKE ON A BUSINESS COMPETITOR SO WE WERE CHARGED WITH CONSPIRACY TO ASSASSINATE X AND X HAS TO BE NAMED. WELL THERE'S MISDEMEANORS AND THERE'S RECORDS THAT ARE NOT TOTALLY UP TO SNUFF BUT HE WAS SUPPOSEDLY CONVINCING-- HE SUPPOSEDLY CONVICT-- COMMITTED A FEDERAL CRIME OR MAYBE A STATE CRIME? >> OF COURSE CREDIBILITY OF WITNESSES, THE BURDEN OF THE COMMONWEALTH AND GUILT BEYOND A REASONABLE DOUBT IS SUCH A HIGH BURDEN. THE PRESUMPTIVE IN ASSISTS AND PRESUMPTION OF REASONABLE DOUBT ARE TWO CONSTITUTIONAL GUARANTEES THAT HAVE DWINDLED AWAY IN THIS COUNTRY SO THEY WANT TO HAMMER THAT THEY WANT TO HIT IT, HIT IT AND I THINK THEY HANG THE JURY IN THIS THING. >> THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING ON AND FOR THAT INSIGHT. LET ME BRING IN OUR LEGAL EXPERT NOT AFFILIATED WITH ANYONE IN THE TRIAL, DANNY CEVALLOS, PROFESSOR MICHELLE GOOD ONE. I WILL START WITH YOU ON SET. TALK ME THROUGH HOW YOU SEE THE NEXT 48 HOURS ONCE YOU GET COURT BACK IN SESSION AND GOING AGAIN. >> THE NEXT 48 HOURS WILL BE A TIME IN WHICH THE JURORS ARE GOING TO POSSIBLY, AS WE HEARD EARLIER, BE LOOKING AT PERHAPS GOING ONLINE, LOOKING FOR INFORMATION THAT THEY MAY BE ABLE TO FIND. THERE IS GOING TO BE A SCRAMBLING OF THE DEFENSE TEAM. THIS REPRESENTS ONE OF 4 CRIMINAL TRIALS. THIS IS THE FIRST ONE. THERE'S A LOT AT STAKE FOR THE FORMER PRESIDENT. >> AND MAYBE ONLY ONE BEFORE THE NOVEMBER ELECTION. >> THAT MAY BE THE CASE BUT KEEP IN MIND THIS IS ALSO A TENSE TIME DEPENDING ON WHAT IS GOING TO HAPPEN WITH THE SUPREME COURT, BECAUSE ONE OF THOSE CASES, THE SUPREME COURT HAS AN ARM AND A LEG, PERHAPS BOTH, AND THAT IS THE ONE INVOLVING HIS DEFENSE OF ABSOLUTE IMMUNITY FROM ANY CRIMINAL CHARGES OF A PAST SITTING OR FUTURE PRESIDENT. THAT WILL MATTER SIGNIFICANTLY. SO HIS DEFENSE TEAM IS WORRIED ABOUT THAT, AS WELL. THIS MAY BE THE ONLY ONE BUT THERE IS AN ELECTION THAT IS DRUMMING UP. ALL OF THAT IS THE BACKDROP BEYOND WHAT IS HAPPENING IN NEW YORK AND WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN IN NEW YORK, IS SIGNIFICANT. HIS LEGAL TEAM IS ALREADY PREPARING FOR WHAT COMES NEXT. THAT IS DEFINITELY GOING TO BE AN APPEAL, AND ONE OTHER THING THAT WE WILL ADD TO THIS IS THAT EVEN THOUGH THE JUDGE, JUDGE MERCHAN HAS ISSUED A GAG ORDER, WHAT WE HAVE ALSO SEEN IS A PARADE OF PEOPLE THAT ARE PSEUDO-TRUMP SHOWING UP, MAKING COMMENTS OUTSIDE OF THE COURTHOUSE TRYING TO APPEAL TO AMERICANS TO SEE THIS CASE AS BEING SOMETHING THAT IS POLITICAL IN NATURE. >> DANNY I WONDER WHAT YOU MAKE OF THE WAY THAT THE JURY INSTRUCTION CONVERSATION WENT. I'M SURE WE WILL HEAR FROM JUDGE MERCHAN LIKELY LATER ON THURSDAY ABOUT ALL OF THAT. I WONDER HOW YOU SEE IT AND WHAT YOU MAKE OF THIS WEEK LONG GAP FOR THE JURY. DO YOU THINK THAT WILL FAVOR ONE SIDE OR THE OTHER? >> LET'S START WITH THE CHARGING CONFERENCE. IT IS NOT SEXY, NOT EXCITING, YOU DON'T SEE IT IN MOVIES OR TV SHOWS BUT IT IS PRIVATELY THE MOST IMPORTANT PART OF THE TRIAL. WHAT YOU JUST MENTIONED IS KEY. HOW OFTEN DO JUDGES SAY WELL I'M A JUDGE AND I LIKE TO FOLLOW THE PATTERN JURY INSTRUCTIONS AND THEN HE SPENT THREE HOURS ARGUING ABOUT CHANGING THE PATTERN JURY INSTRUCTIONS. EVERY WORD COUNTS. YOU HEARD FROM MIKE VANDER WIEN ALSO KNOWN AS THE V VAN DER VEEN, AND IT IS TERRIFYING BECAUSE JURY INSTRUCTIONS ARE THE MOST COMMON BASIS FOR APPEAL OR OVERTURNING CONVICTIONS. IT IS SO CRITICAL, AND YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT'S A JURY INSTRUCTION IS FINALIZED, OH MY GOSH DID I JUST SUBMARINE MY OWN CASE? THEY MOVE RELATIVELY QUICKLY, EVEN THOUGH A CHARGING CONFERENCE CAN LAST ALL DAY. CRITICALLY IMPORTANT, AND BY THE WAY IT WAS HARD TO FOLLOW ON THE GOOGLE:DOCUMENT BECAUSE IT IS SUCH AN IN THE WEEDS DISCUSSION THAT IT CAN BE DIFFICULT TO FOLLOW. >> THE TEAMS IN COURT, NO CAMERAS ARE ALLOWED INSIDE, THAT'S THE WAY THE TEAMS ARE COMMUNICATING WITH US OUTSIDE OF COURT. IN THE 30 SECONDS THAT WE HAVE LEFT, MOST IMPORTANT THING THAT THE PROSECUTION, FOR MAXIMUM IMPACT? >> THE ONE THING IS THAT COHEN WAS A CREDIBLE WITNESS DESPITE WHAT THE DEFENSE HAS DONE, DESPITE TRYING TO IN EVERY WAY TARNISH HIS TRUE. >> FOR THE DEFENSE IS AT THE FLIP OF THAT DANNY? >> YES. YOU WANT TO HAMMER COHEN, I WOULD MAKE THIS AN EMPTY CHAIR DEFENSE. WHERE IS ALLEN WEISSELBERG? WHAT ARE THEY AFRAID OF? HIS FINGERPRINTS, HIS HAND WRITING IS LITERALLY IN FIGURE T-- FIGURATIVELY ALL OVER THIS CASE INCLUDING THE MOST DAMNING DOCUMENT. I'M DOING MY CLOSING, FORGIVE ME. >> I DID SAY 30 SECONDS. >> NO. AND LADIES AND GENTLEMEN, RENDER A TRUE AND JUST VERDICT OF NOT GUILTY. THANK YOU. >> DANNY CEVALLOS, MICHELLE GOODWIN, THANK YOU. THANK YOU BOTH VERY MUCH. I WANT TO BRING IN A TEAM THAT HAS COVERED MISTER TRUMP FOR YEARS, SUSAN CRAIG AND MICHAEL RUSSELL. THANK YOU BOTH FOR BEING WITH US. MICHAEL IS THE CO-AUTHOR OF THE BOOK YOU SEE HERE, THE FIXERS. MICHAEL, THE LONGER TITLE THAT THE PEOPLE CAN SEE ON THE COVER IS, THE BOTTOM FEEDERS, CROOKED LAWYERS, DOSSETT MONGERS AND STARS WHO CREATED THE 45th PRESIDENT. FOLKS MAY BE WONDERING ARE THESE REALLY THE PEOPLE WHO COULD BRING HIM DOWN WITH ALL THE LEGAL TROUBLE HE FACES? >> THAT'S WHAT WE'VE EEN IN THE TRIAL. WE HAD A PORNOGRAPHY START TESTIFYING, A LAWYER WHO HAS NEGOTIATED DEALS TO SUPPRESS THOSE TAPES, WE HAD DAVID PECKER THE KING OF THE TABLOID. THIS IS WHERE HE CAME FROM AND THOSE ASSOCIATIONS ARE WHAT HAVE LED US TO THIS POINT. WE ARE GETTING A GLIMPSE OF HIS PAST LIFE HERE. >> YOU'VE BEEN IN COURT THIS WHOLE TRIAL AND TALKED ABOUT SORT OF THE VIBE IN AND OUT. ONE THING YOU SAID HIS PEOPLE HAVE BEEN CAMPING ON THE STREET OVERNIGHT, SOME BRINGING HUGE SUITCASES, DISPUTES HAVE BROKEN OUT OVER PLACEMENT IN LINE AND YOU THINK IT'S GOING TO BE WORSE ON TUESDAY. BRING US THERE WITH YOU. THE VIEWERS CAN'T BE THERE. WHAT IS IT LIKE? >> I HAVE TO SAY THE LINES OUTSIDE THE COURTROOM STARTED OUT WEEKS AGO AND IT'S PRETTY TAME BUT IT HAS TURNED INTO THE HOTTEST TICKET IN TOWN. PEOPLE IN LINE ARE LINING UP OVERNIGHT, SOME ARE GOING FROM THE FRONT TO THE BACK TO GET A SPOT SO THEY CAN GET A TICKET AND THEN THEY SELL IT. I'VE HEARD A FEW TICKETS HAVE GONE FOR UPWARDS OF $2000 BUT MOST ARE GOING FOR $500. MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC CAN GET IN. MAYBE HALF A DOZEN TO A DOZEN IT INTO THE COURTROOM AND THE REST ARE IN AN OVERFLOW ROOM WHERE THERE'S A CLOSED CIRCUIT TV WERE YOU CAN WATCH THE PROCEEDINGS GOING ON. THAT'S USUALLY WHERE I SIT. BUT IT HAS REALLY BEEN SOMETHING JUST TO SEE THE INTEREST. PEOPLE ARE COMING IN FROM OUT OF TOWN TO TRY TO GET A TICKET AND THEN ONCE YOU GET IN IT'S INTERESTING, BECAUSE THE OTHER THING GOING ON INSIDE THE COURTROOM IS, A CARE OF OCCASIONALLY ERIC TRUMP WOULD SHOW UP BUT IN RECENT DAYS YOU'VE HAD UPWARDS OF A DOZEN OR MORE SURROGATES SHOWING UP AND THEY SIT RIGHT BEHIND DONALD TRUMP. SO YOU SEE HIM ON THE CLOSED CIRCUIT, DONALD TRUMP IS AT THE DEFENSE TABLE AND THEN THERE'S A LINE OF SURROGATES WHO SIT BEHIND HIM. YOU HAVE TO WONDER HOW THE JURY IS PROCESSING IT. WE DON'T KNOW BUT IT HAS BECOME MORE AND MORE NOTICEABLE. >> ARE YOU AT ALL SURPRISED THAT MISTER TRUMP DID NOT END UP TESTIFYING? A >> ABSOLUTELY NOT. HE KEPT SAYING HE WANTED TO AND I THINK IN ISOLATION IF HE COULD HAVE GONE UP ON THE STAND AND ESSENTIALLY MADE A CAMPAIGN SPEECH, IT WOULD'VE BEEN FINE BUT HE WOULD HAVE OPEN HIMSELF UP TO CROSS-EXAMINATION ON A NUMBER OF ISSUES HE DIDN'T WANT TO TALK ABOUT INCLUDING PREVIOUS CASES THAT RECENTLY CONCLUDED WITH HUGE DAMAGES AGAINST HIM AND ALSO TRUMP UNIVERSITY AND A LOT OF THINGS THAT I DON'T THINK HE WANTS TO REVISIT. >> MICHAEL, ZOOM OUT A LITTLE BIT BECAUSE ON THE BIG PICTURE, LEGAL TROUBLE. A LOT OF THAT IS LESS CERTAIN. YOU HAVE TRIAL DATES FOR THE GEORGIA ELECTION CASE, THE CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS CASE, THE JANUARY 6 CASE ALL UP IN THE AIR RIGHT NOW. FOR YEARS HE HAS FACED LEGAL ISSUES, LEGAL TROUBLE. FOR THE FIRST TIME, THERE IS A NONZERO CHANCE THAT HE COULD END UP CONVICTED OF ONE OF THESE THINGS. PUT THAT INTO CONTEXT. >> I THINK IT'S A BIG DEAL. HE REALLY HAS SORT OF EVADED ANY SORT OF REPERCUSSIONS FROM A CRIMINAL PERSPECTIVE AFTER YEARS OF INVESTIGATIONS AND OF THIS IS THE ONLY TRIAL BEFORE THE ELECTION, WE KNOW THAT A LOT OF REPUBLICAN MODERATES WHO HE NEEDS TO WIN THE ELECTION HAVE SAID THAT THEY WOULD NOT KNOW IF HE IS CONVICTED OF A FELONY. HE IS UNLIKELY TO GO TO PRISON OR ANYTHING LIKE THAT BEFORE THE ELECTION AND CERTAINLY IS NOT GOING TO INHIBIT HIM FROM RUNNING BUT IT DEFINITELY COULD MAKE A BIG IMPACT ON THE RACE. >> MICHAEL AND SUZANNE, THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE DURING SPECIAL COVERAGE OF HI
