- Ever since AMD released
their massive many core Threadripper processors,
enthusiasts have been chomping at the bit for an ITX
small form factor solution where they can pack as
many cores as possible into a tiny case like this one. And guess what, ladies and gentlemen? Today, we finally got it, sort of. Technically, this motherboard comes from ASRock's server
division, ASRock Rack, and is compatible with AMD EPYC CPUs. But that doesn't change the
fact that we are gonna build a sick freaking gaming rig with it with an RTX 3090 graphics
card, 128 gigabytes of memory, and 64 processing cores. All in this tiny little thing right here. It's gonna overheat. Probably. Just like my sponsor segues are hot. MSIs Vigor GK50 Elite gaming keyboard features Kailh mechanical
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'cause they're both available in up to 64 core configurations, is that aside from the lower price, you'll actually tend to get
better performance in desktop or workstation applications
because AMD was more willing to go ham on the power consumption of a desktop/enthusiast
chip compared to, well, something that's supposed
to be super power efficient for the data center. It's also overclocking capable. As for EPYC's advantages,
well, they are several. This puppy has 128 lanes of
PCI Express Gen 4 connectivity, up to octo channel instead
of just quad channel memory, and it's got support
for up to four terabytes of registered ECC memory. None of which we will be
taking advantage of today, because this board only
has four memory slots. So we'll be running quad channel. It only has a single PCI Express 16X slot, so we won't be using all 128 lanes. And, well, you can't buy one
terabyte memory modules yet so, or ever. - [Jake] You could do 256. You could do a terabyte total. - You could do a terabyte
total, but we're not doing that. Of course, sometimes
your choices are dictated by a lack of better options. And since there are no ITX
motherboards for Threadripper, we are going EPYC today. Although it should be
noted that this is not, strictly speaking, quite
an ITX motherboard. See that? It does only have one PCI Express slot, like an ITX motherboard in
a standard ATX-style I/O. But it's actually a touch wider, so this is a completely non-standard, what do they call it, Deep ITX? - [Jake] Yeah, proprietary Deep ITX. - Proprietary Deep ITX. The good news is that we
did manage to find cases that happened to be
compatible with it, sort of, after some modification. Even with the extra width
though, ASRock had to make a lot of stars align in order
to make this happen. So first, one of the main reasons that Threadripper mini-ITX
boards don't exist is that Threadripper
requires an external chipset on the motherboard for
certain functionality, like SATA RAID. EPYC, by contrast, just
doesn't support it at all. So there's no need for an outside chipset. Another compromise they made
was having very little I/O. So while we do have built-in
dual 10 gigabit network ports, and that's freaking awesome,
'cause we'd have nowhere to put a network card on this thing. Other than that, we get VGA out. We get a, I believe
this is a power button. We get a management network
port and two USB 3 ports. We don't even have any
additional USB 3 headers on the board. Here's another fun one. The board uses ATX 12 volt power only. Look at that. There's no 24 pin connector. There was no freaking space for it. Which isn't to say that
it doesn't still have some cool connectivity. All of these slimline ports over here, these four are PCI Express Gen 4 8X. If we were to plug them
into like say, for example, U.2 NVMe drives, although we
can't use them for anything that requires power from the
board, 'cause we've only got this single four pin power input for them. And then these ones up
here can actually run either PCI Express Gen 4 by 8 or SATA if you wanna hook up a
bunch of SATA drives. This thing is so freaking cool. It's so dense too, even
the back of the board is as covered with components as the front of a normal gaming board would be. I guess another more indirect
advantage of Threadripper is that you can get much
higher speed memory for it, because you can run unbuffered DIMMs. These 3200 megahertz CL 22 modules are about as fast as you
can really go with EPYC. And CL 22, that really ain't that great. For the best performance on Zen 2, I would wanna be running
more like 3200 CL 15. But it's ECCs, so of course,
you have error checking and correction, so that's
good for reliability. That's funny, I went to
install our eight terabyte, 'cause this video is all
about massive numbers here. Eight terabyte Sabrent M.2 drive, and I realized this motherboard
doesn't come with a screw for it, but it does come
with some screwy accessories. So you got your standard I/O shield. And then you got this trippy thing. Look at this. This is a four pin power
connector to six SATA power. So that's that hard drive plug thing that I showed you guys before. And then it also has a 24
pin to four pin adapter for the 12 volt only power
that goes into the motherboard. Crazy. Now that that's built up,
we can turn our attention to our case, this is the
SUGO 15 from SilverStone. It ain't cheap, but it's really cool, it's highly configurable,
so you can either set it up for tons of storage or
for tons of air cooling or for tons of water
cooling, it all comes down to your personal preference. For us, we're going with a mixture. We don't really need any storage, but we need both a big
air cooler on our CPU and a water cooling radiator for our GPU. One thing you might have noticed is that Jake did a little
drill out rivet thing here. So this used to be in here
as a support or something and a two and a half
inch drive mount, yeah. We don't have room for that,
'cause we gotta put a big old, what is it, Deep, Deep
ITX board in this thing. It's really nice that we're able to put a full-sized ATX
power supply in here, because otherwise, I don't
know how we would handle the power spikes that come
from, well, RTX 3090 graphics. Here we go. Question for you, Jake. - [Jake] There it goes. There's a thing you have to remove. - Oh, yeah, I was gonna ask about that. - [Jake] There's a screw on the bottom. - How does it come out? - [Jake] There's a screw on the bottom. - Well, how do you get
the screw on the, oh, wow, there's a removable
bottom panel on this case, that is so cool. - [Jake] Just once screw
and then it slides out. - There's our GPU support out of the way, this thing can handle up to
a triple slot graphics card, which is pretty sweet. Where's the mounting hardware for this? Now for our power supply. It's standard ATX in terms of
how it screws into the case. But what's special about it is its depth or rather lack thereof. It's a 1200 watt power supply,
80 Plus Platinum efficiency. But this thing is only as deep as a 120 millimeter fan, pretty much. So that is what allows it to fit in here. Hold on. Hangs down from the top,
you know what I'm saying? Actually, oh, you know what? There's pretty easy access to everything, I love this punch out on the bottom. - [Jake] I just realized that too, wow. - So you can reach your
modular power supply interface- - [Jake] I was worried about it, but- - Super easy. Now we gotta make a small
configuration change to our case here. This rear 120 millimeter fan would be fine if we were doing something
slightly less power hungry. But we wanna turn it around to act as an intake so that our
CPU is getting fresh air rather than the preheated
air that's gonna come from our radiator for the graphics card. So we're using a slim dual
120 millimeter radiator from XSPC, we just grabbed
whatever was on the shelf, and it happened to be super mondo slim. And then, because we know
that we don't have a ton of surface area, we're going
with some pretty balling fans, Noctua industrialPPC 3000 RPM fans. To be clear, I'm not
expecting to run these at maximum speed all the time. It's just, hey, they have the potential to ramp up if we really need to. So we want it right about... - [Jake] Just put it
on loosely and it just- - Right there. Man, this is a really tight fit, wait. - [Jake] Not a very well-designed bracket. I think it's not meant to have the fans on that side, but whatever. - Yeah. We're bringing sexy back. You know, Jake, I do wish we
had shorter cables for this. - [Jake] Yeah. That's all you're getting. - In fairness to him, I
think I assigned this project to him yesterday. So let's plug in the wonko adapter now. That goes there. It feels unnatural to me that this is it. These four wires are motherboard power. - [Jake] It's also ugly. - Jake.
- [Jake] Hi. - Did you check if the 24 pin fits? I'm up against one of those mini PCIes. Okay, I'm gonna flex it. - [Jake] Is it in? - It's in. - [Jake] Doesn't get
much closer than that. - It's tight. It is right against the motherboard, it is putting pressure on the motherboard. - [Jake] Just don't
screw the motherboard in, we don't even need it now. - What the? - [Jake] Is there enough
space to bend it though? These cables are pretty flexible. - I think we're good. - [Jake] I mean, there's
only like two things left to put in, so. - You'll have to pardon
the construction noises. They basically told me, look,
do you want it done fast or do you want it done quiet? And I was like, fast. So that's what we're dealing with. What the heck is going on here? No problem, this is not
the best cable management that I have ever done. Now I wish that the GPU was a
bit longer, actually, so we- - [Jake] No, that's where
the pump's gonna go. - Oh yeah, that's right,
oh, yeah, that's right. Oh, crap, how are we
gonna get that in there? - [Jake] I didn't really
wanna get the drill out, but maybe we could get
the drill out, maybe. - We're just gonna ram it in like this, drill four holes on the bottom. And boom, it's attached. Oh man. This window thing in the
bottom here so you can access the bottom of the power supply is amazing. - [Jake] Looks pretty dope. - Next up, we're gonna put in
one of my favorite coolers. This is the NH-U12S TR4-SP3, and it's one of the only coolers on the market that was specifically
engineered for Threadripper and by extension, EPYC,
just anything with a lot of CCXs spread out over
an incredibly large area. And what's so cool about this
one is it's got this feature that allows you to offset the mount. So you can see we've moved it, what is it, like six millimeters
or something like that? Just a little bit. Now, it's intended to help with
PCI Express slot clearance. What we're using it to
help with is clearance for our tubing to run over
here to the graphics card. So you can see, all right, like that. That is how our tubes
are gonna come through. Now it's time for some EPYC
thermal paste application here. - [Jake] I just do dots all over. - There we go. Oh, so tidy. Good job, Linus. Wait, no, I don't want this in just yet, I wanna run my tubing first. Yeah. Oh, dang it, now I've got
thermal goop all in the way. Looks like we're gonna
have just enough clearance to tighten these collars down. That is really close. So this'll just chill
here, ah, there we go. Aw, no problem. - [Jake] Everything is so tight. - It's a good thing we're
using a nice robust tubing, because otherwise, sharp
fins on it over time, I wouldn't be too happy
about literally touching the fins once I have this screwed in. Oh man. Oh, let's throw the GPU in from, oh, I didn't run power for the GPU. This is a sweet RTX 3090. So it's actually using
not the Founder's board, but the reference board. So it's freaking tiny. It's water cooled by EK Water Blocks, this is a product ASUS actually sells. pre water cooled with an EK block on it. And you only need two standard
eight pin power connectors. And it's single slot at
the back, which is sick, 'cause a lot of the time, even if you get a single slot water block
on your graphics card, you're still stuck taking up two slots at the back because the
I/O is on the other side. So here, you got three DisplayPorts, single HDMI, back plate. There's thermal paste on the back of it. I'll use my shirt to
clean it, lttstore.com. So this puppy is gonna go, oh man. There's a plate in my way. - [Jake] Look at the I/O shield. - I know, there's nothing on it. Wait. That's where the thermal
paste is coming from, it's coming from my
hand, it's on everything. Okay, RGB, just get, just get there. Yeah, you remember what I said? Now I wish that the GPU was a bit longer. Yeah, not a problem. There we go. Yeah.
- [Jake] Why? - Tubing time, so this goes right there. It's gonna be a little tough to screw in, but actually not that bad, the loop itself is pretty well thought
out, good work, Jake. Yeah, I can't even get you a view of this, Andy, and this is just too tight. - [Jake] That's what she said. - [Linus] Oh yeah. - [Jake] Did you get it in? - [Linus] Ho ho. Yeah, it's in. Look at that. That is, does this fan spin? Oh yes. Oh good. Okay. - [Jake] Does it fit?
- [Linus] Oh yeah. - [Jake] Isn't this a great layout? - Easy, easy. Last run. I mean, that's the thing about only water cooling one
component in this system, is you're only running four tubes. Now, what I could have- - [Jake] Wait, why did
you make that tube so- - I was about to explain
why I made this so long. Well, hold on, there's
a reason for it, Jake. It leaves room if we wanted
to do that whole cool idea with the expansion of the slimline things for us to have lots of room to work to add PCI Express cards
and stuff like that. - [Jake] But we're not gonna do that. - Well, but now we could. So let's fill it. Holy crap balls, that is freaking tight. Look at this thing. This funnel's worked here
longer than you, Jake. Well, okay, the pump works. Neat. Wow, it didn't take a lot of water. - [Jake] Slim rad. Put the cap on and do the tilt. - Yeah, for sure. - [Jake] No, the other way. - It's, I don't think it's
gonna make a difference, Jake. That water's moving, look. - [Jake] All right. Should we plug a monitor in and? - Yeah, we should find
out if it actually works. - [Andy] Did we swap the SSD? - [Jake] Did you swap the SSD? (bleep)
- No. Putting bottom panel on, here's hoping we haven't accidentally interfered with any of these little nubbins
that need to go into the, oh my god, do they still do this? - What? - Freaking SilverStone. I've seen this, I've
seen $700 cases from them that are sharpied from the factory. 'Cause they scratched it. - Ew. - SilverStone. - [Jake] I mean, it's
the inside of the bottom. - Yeah. It doesn't technically matter, but like... SilverStone. Should we fire it up with
no side panels first? - Yeah. Also, it might boot VGA
first, so who knows? - I don't know, I've
got no Num Lock, Jake. Not a good sign. - While we were troubleshooting
trying to get the system on, which turns out it is
fine, I booted up the IPMI, and on some server boards, you have these really weird interfaces with these weird graphs and crap that, even with dicking around
with it for 10 minutes, I wasn't really able to understand. On this one, you can just
put it in manual mode and set the fan duty cycle
to a static 0 to 100%. So I figured out which
one is our radiator fans. I think maybe we'll try 50% duty cycle. - [Linus] Yeah, that would
probably be, hey, that's better. - It's still a good amount
of air, it's really quiet. - Okay, here we go. Holy bananas, that is a lot
of cores in hardware info. 33.4 degrees. And 50 degrees on the die. Let's fire up that Task Manager. There it is, boom. Also, memory ran at 3200
megahertz right out of the gate. Here we go. Cinebench R23. We're sitting at about
92 degrees on the CPU. - [Jake] Did you put thermal paste on? - [Linus] I did.
- [Jake] Okay. - 52,000 freaking points. See you later, Threadripper 32 core. Now we need to know if this
thing can actually hold up in terms of thermals. So I have gone ahead and
started a 30 minute stress test, and we're gonna see where it ends up. Should I also hit it with FurMark? Oh, I heard the fans
ramp a little bit there. After about 15 minutes, we've
settled in with GPU temps of about 70 degrees Celsius. That's with the fans
running at half speed. And CPU temps that are 66 degrees in the traditional way of measuring them. And 91.7 in the on-die
way of measuring them. So that is well within
tolerance for both of those. It's a lot of heat though. I can feel it from way
out here, it's crazy. But it's stable, crazy stable. So let's go ahead and shut
down our stress tests. And I mean, we went and put a 3090 in it, we're gonna play some video games, right? I'm going for do DOOM Eternal. - [Jake] DOOM is so easy
to run, sop using DOOM. - I don't want to, I like it. - [Jake] It's so easy to run, stop. - Okay, I better not be in the middle of a stupid unskippable
mission cutscene again. This is an epic gamer
moment if I've ever had one, we're running at 55-60 FPS. I actually have no idea what
settings we're even at though. - [Jake] Turn that RTX on. - It's basically cranked. It's cranked, we got ray tracing on, we're all high, practically everything. - [Jake] Ray tracing on ultra,
turn motion blur off, eww. Follow the objective, dude. - Oh. Okay, are these bad guys? They seem bad. - [Jake] Get in the limo. Press X, press X, press X. - Oh, so I'm not supposed to fight them. - [Jake] Press X. - X to what, to not die? - [Jake] It heals, it heals. This would be a sick
video editing machine. - This is a sick anything machine. I mean, I don't know what
anyone would actually build or use something like this for,
but it really does seem like the kind of thing that
somebody would want, right? - [Jake] Maybe with a Quadro? - Someone, yeah, yeah, you
throw a Quadro in here, this thing's freaking incredible. It's so quiet too. And it's only mostly expensive. - [Jake] It's only got a $10,000 CPU. - Yeah, yeah, don't worry about that. Just like don't worry
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if you enjoyed this video, then maybe you'll also enjoy,
hey, why don't we throw them to the 18 core with the dual radiators? That one was fully water cooled
and actually even smaller.
This is great, except the $10k CPU.
Tried posting this yesterday but for some reason it wouldn't let me because apparently the flair was wrong.
It's an interesting build, and a slightly weird form factor, with the motherboard being slightly wider than mini-ITX.
I'm amazed that EPYC is possible in a SFF build.
Apparently u/SligerCases mentioned a while back that the S610 and S620 are built with this motherboard in mind. A Ncase with front mounted psu should also fit this. This might not get any more traction than a niche product, but it's certainly cool nonetheless and allows for insane amount of horsepower while keeping a small footprint.