There's Something About Casey...

most of you will already be aware of who two-year-old kaylee anthony was the majority will know that she sadly passed away at some point between 1pm and 8pm on june 16th 2008. her death is undoubtedly the most heartbreaking part of this story and we only need a single word to epitomize her short life tragic but the primary subject of this video is not about the life nor the death of kaylee marie-anthony it is in fact about the psychological constitution of her mother 22 year old casey marie-anthony so rather than tragic you'll find the words disturbing and perplexing to be far better suited to the theme of this video one of the many reasons this case is exceptional is how the present day's topic of discussion has little to do with the actual occurrences of the crime but in fact the subsequent developments that followed people are no longer talking about how or even why kaylee anthony passed away they are instead talking about the manner in which a mother responded to her daughter's death given all the acquired information we now have even if we afford this person the most morally acceptable possibility of what occurred her manner of conduct was still unimaginably cold-blooded this is driven home by the fact she was evaluated by two clinical psychologists during her time in custody and not a single abnormality was discovered with relation to her psychological state in other words there were no signs of mental illness whatsoever and this makes the character study of casey anthony just as fascinating as it is terrifying a human being state of mind is something most accurately assessed with the full capacity of hindsight so before we evaluate our first segment of raw footage here's a quick rundown of each of the essential moments that will give you a broader understanding of what we're actually dealing with on the 15th of july 2008 orlando police received a call from cindy anthony the grandmother of the victim 911 what's your emergency i called a little bit ago the deputy says i found out my granddaughter has been taken she has been missing for a month we were talking about a three-year-old little girl and my daughter finally admitted that the baby's in the store i need to find her your daughter admitted that you're the baby is where it took her months ago my daughter's been looking for i told you my daughter was missing for a month i just found her today but i can't find my granddaughter she just admitted to me that she's been trying to find her herself there's something wrong i found my daughter's car today and it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car okay what is the three-year-old's name kaylee c-a-y-l-e-e anthony haley anthony yes how long has she been missing for i have not seen her since the 7th of june is your daughter there yeah can i speak with her okay hello hello yes can you tell me what's going on a little bit i'm sorry can you tell me a little bit what's going on my daughter's been missing for the last 31 days and you know who has her i know who asked her i've tried to contact her i actually received a phone call today now from a number that is no longer in service i did get to speak to my daughter for about a moment about a minute who has her give a name her name is zaneva fernandez gonzalez to give some context to this bizarre phone call casey anthony had left the family home with her daughter a month earlier stating that she had a work assignment in tampa and would be traveling the entire time kaylee's grandparents would ask repeatedly over the following month to see or at least speak to their granddaughter but casey claimed each and every time that she was too busy with work and that kaylee was with a nanny who went by the name zaneda fernandez gonzalez or zanny for short on july 15 exactly six weeks after kaylee was last seen by her grandparents george anthony received a phone call that the family car was at the impound locked this immediately alerted suspicion as it was the same car casey had supposedly been traveling with for work suspicion turned into panic once they picked up the vehicle and george discovered a strong odor emanating from the trunk one that he recognized from his years as a police officer and found comparable to that of human decomposition through contacting one of casey's friends her parents managed to track her down at her boyfriend's house in orlando where they were found smoking marijuana and watching tv when inquired over the whereabouts of her daughter casey stated that she had been kidnapped 31 days before by the supposed babysitter it was at that moment cindy anthony called 9-1-1 9-1-1 what's your emergency who has her do you have a name her name is zaneva fernandez gonzalez who is that babysitter she's been my nanny for about a year and a half almost two years why are you calling now why didn't you call 31 days ago i've been looking for her and have gone through other resources to try to find her which is stupid i think it's awesome the officers are there yes now let's indulge in the world of fantasy for just a moment and pretend all of what casey had just stated was true she had indeed been working and her daughter was in fact kidnapped by the babysitter a month earlier the immediate premise most would gather would be that casey had no regard for her daughter whatsoever in the 911 call there was no urgency nor concern in her voice and rather than her volunteering information which most parents would do in a frantic manner it had to be acquired by the dispatcher through repeated inquisition all you have to do is compare casey's dialogue to that of her mothers in the same phone call one was indifferent while the other was distraught police would have picked up on this immediately even without the bizarre phone call the circumstances alone would make casey the prime suspect in her daughter's disappearance she was immediately interviewed as a witness which unbeknownst to her was the detective's first step in locking her into as many lies as possible day right now is july 16 2008 the time right now is zero for 11 hours i'm detective melissa with the orange county sheriff's office i am with casey anthony is that correct yes in case you understand this is being recorded yes you have any objection to that no all right okay so i got called here in the in reference to a missing child you took casey to a babysitter's house yes and who was this babysitter her name is zanida fernandez gonzalez okay how long have you known zaneta almost four years it'll be four years christmas this year and where did you meet her who did you meet her through a mutual friend his name was jeffrey michael hopkins i met him at nickelodeon universal and i met her through him she was his son's nanny at the time does jeffrey still work at uh universal no he does not how long has it been since he left about nine ten months give or take he moved up to north carolina for a short time and moved down to jacksonville within the last three months how would you characterize your relationship with miss anthony more or less acquaintances weren't very good friends not very good friends did you ever work at universal studios i did when did you work at universal studios approximately 2002. how long did you work there for one year did you ever work there at the same time that casey anthony worked there i don't think so you don't recall ever seeing her there never did you ever introduce casey anthony to a woman by the name of zaneida gonzalez i did not did you ever use zenith gonzales as a nanny no sir do you have any children no sir have you lived in the orlando area consistently since 2002 yes sir have you ever lived in jacksonville no sir have you ever lived in north carolina no sir did you see casey anthony in the month of june of 2008 no sir when was the last time you spoke with him about a week and a half ago you know a telephone number for him i can find a number for him i don't know a number off hand no i did not so you met zania through jeffrey hopkins i did yeah his son zach hopkins i guess does not used to watch over zach yes and when did she start watching over your child it's been within the last year and a half two years that she started watching haley how would you normally drop off or how would you normally do the exchange with your challenge tonight would you drop the child off we should meet you somewhere i would usually drop her off for a few months we would go over to jeff's house he lived over in avalon park and you would go to joe's house why to drop off kaylee that's where zenitha would go to watch both of the kids okay it was in a nice centralized area he had a decent sized house it was good room for the two of them come out to your statement you dropped off kaylee june 9th and walked me through you dropped her off to go to work okay get off of work and go from there i got off of work left universal driving back to pick up kaylee like a normal day and i show up to the apartment knock on the door nobody answers so he calls deny the cell phone and it's out of service i didn't really want to come home i wasn't sure what i'd say about not knowing where kaylee was still hoping that i would get a call or you know find out that kaylee was coming back so that i could go get her and i ended up going to my boyfriend anthony's house who lives in sutton place did you talk to anthony about uh what happened kelly no i didn't know can you talk to anyone about kaylee about aaron silva kelly or the papa she's missing a couple people a couple mutual friends who did you talk to about um i talked to jeff jeffrey hopkins i talked to juliette lewis she's one of my co-workers at universal she works you still work at universal yes what the what do you do at universal an event coordinator okay what is juliette what position she where she's also an event coordinator we work in the same department juliette lewis doesn't exist casey had briefly worked at universal but hadn't been employed there for over two years prior to this interview and she wasn't an event coordinator she stood behind a kiosk and sold photos of people after they had been on the incredible hulk ride you have a number for julia oh off hand i can't think of she in your sim card no she's not some of the more recent numbers her number just changed because she just moved back up north she within the last two months has finished moving out to new york she's still loosing her apartment so julia doesn't work at the universal anymore no she does not what's the reason uh i asked you this before i ask you just for the record what's the reason you didn't call the police before i think part of me was naive enough to think that i could handle this myself which obviously i couldn't and i was scared that something would happen to her if i did notify the authorities or got the media involved just fear of the unknown fear of the potential of kaylie getting hurt of not seeing my daughter again i actually said beyonce before we went on tape and i'll ask you again just to make sure we're clear is there anything about this story that you're telling me it is untrue or is there anything that you want to change or divert from what you've already told me no sir did you cause any andrew to your child kaley no sir did you hurt kaylee or leave her somewhere and you're worried that if we find that out that people don't look at you a wrong way no sir you're telling me that zanida took your child without your permission and hasn't returned the last person that i've seen with my daughter yes is she puerto rican is dominican is she white she's mixed she's black and puerto rican is there any underlying cause too why is an idol would have taken your tongue nothing that should ever make any statements to you about only how much she loves kaylee and how great of a kid she is and when you talk to jeffrey afterwards i'm assuming that jeffrey's child is still with him his child is still with him he said zaneta had family up in new england up in new york yes she has family down south her mother and her sister her brothers in new york she's originally from new york pretty much grew up there moved down here went to the university of florida the nida the nanny doesn't exist casey never had a babysitter being the retrospective viewer we have the benefit of knowing these are outright fabrications and these meticulous details are a textbook sign of a pathological liar she speaks eloquently and naturally as if her dialogue is a reflex response to the questions she's being asked when in reality each of these minor details are calculated and deliberately placed for the purpose of deception and the nonchalant easy going tone she employs is used to camouflage anxiety casey has not only become accustomed to manipulation she has become extremely skilled in how to use it effectively it takes us to the concept of nurture and how it most likely had a significant impact on her current circumstances if we go through what we know about casey's domestic history there are numerous occasions where she had gotten away with things that most would not simply due to the fact that she was able to continuously lie without conscience a prime example could be when she was 18 years old and stopped attending class midway through her senior year she literally skipped the entire second half of her final year to go hang out with her older boyfriend her parents became suspicious on several occasions yet each and every time casey had some whimsical excuse to which she was given the benefit of the doubt then just days before graduation her parents were informed by the school of her truancy and that she would not be graduating when confronted casey's excuse was that her timetable was mixed up by the school causing her to miss classes through no fault of her own this is obviously a completely baffling excuse that no sane person would ever believe yet whether it be through denial or an overprotective nature casey's parents not only took her at her word but even shielded her from the consequences of her actions they lied to all their family friends that she graduated with honors and even threw her an extravagant graduation party the day after this is just one of the many occurrences where casey faced no ramifications for misconduct it seemed to give her the belief that no matter what she did as long as she could spin one lie after another or at least drag a lie out for as long as possible everything would work itself out the truth is that everything did work itself out when she was dealing with her parents and she evidently thought the same rules applied with regard to national law and a missing child's investigation after the initial statement you just heard casey was asked if she could take police to all places of interest she happily obliged and then proceeded to lead them to a multitude of fake addresses which she had nothing to do with she then took them to her supposed office at universal studios and literally led three senior investigators to the very end of a building taking over 25 minutes to walk to before she finally turned around put her hands in her back pockets laughed and admitted that she didn't work there completely dumbfounded the detectives placed her under arrest and took her to a conference room in the building for what was essentially an interrogation since i left you this morning i've gone to every address that you've told me i came over here i've already talked to all the employees i found out all these names that you're giving me are people that either never worked here or have been fired here for a long time ago okay so where we are right now is in a position that doesn't look very good for you because obviously i know and you know that everything you told me is a lie correct not everything that i told you pretty much everything that you've told me including where kaylee is right now that i still i don't know where she is sure you do and here's absolutely listen to me let me let me explain something looking at you i know that everything that you've told me is a lie i am very confident just by having talked to you the short period of time that you know where she is i legitimately have not seen my daughter in five weeks i didn't let anything happen to her except i trusted her with somebody somebody that had been taking care of her that had been taking good care of her someone that she was comfortable with that i was coming what about jackie said jeff worked here about until about two months ago no he hasn't worked here for quite 10 months how long it's been at least 10 months okay he got fired in 2002 he hasn't been an employee here since 2002. we put a lot more together than i think you realize we put together my question to you is we're in this office because our purpose in coming here was to do what i'm trying to think of places where i know she's been you're not answering my questions do you want us to help you help us find your daughters well a good starting point would be to answer the questions okay if i say you we're here because and then you just ignore that like i never asked it and go off in some other direction is that answering the question okay let's go through this again we're here because because i lied because i brought you up here and honestly i was reaching for no stop right here i want you to tell me how lying to us is going to help us find your daughter well then the main thing you want to do is find your daughter and you don't think lying to us is going to help us find her why would you do that because i'm scared and i know i'm running out of options it's been a month what are you scared of i'm scared of not seeing my daughter ever again i'm a parent too i would have been beside myself i have been i would have called the police immediately and that's the part that i just don't understand well we've got so many resources out there that we could help on day one you didn't know what to do i didn't know what to do at that point i'm thinking okay they haven't been gone that long maybe i can find them maybe i can track them down we're not stupid okay and what you're doing right now is you're treating us like we're stupid everything that's coming out of your mouth is a lie everything you know you give kaylee to someone and you don't want anyone to find out because you think you're a bad mom or something happened to kaylee and kaylee's buried somewhere or a trash can somewhere and you had something to do with it either way right now it's not a very pretty picture to be paying you're painting yourself as a very bad person it's these to end the truthful thing i have not seen my daughter the last time that i saw her was on the 9th of june remember we had those two people that we were talking about the person who had an accident and a person who's just a cold-blooded callous monster that's telling me that you are the second person this cold-blooded callus monster who doesn't care and doesn't want to help because she's afraid that something so pain has happened that everyone's going to look at her and say she's a monster she deserves to go away she deserves never see the light of day this bad thing should happen to her i don't want to believe that right now but you're giving me your choice tell us what happened to kaylee tell us what happened to kayla kaylee and that's the last time that i've seen her i dropped where did you drop her off i dropped her off at that apartment no you didn't that's exactly what you did did you just think that one day she's just gonna show up at your house no i sat around yesterday trying to figure out what to do i'm glad that i ended up seeing my mom that all of that stuff happened happened for a reason because you're glad you saw your mom you could have saw your mom five weeks ago said mom i don't know i saw my mom's reaction right off the bat and it would have been the same from the get-go you're more afraid of your mom's reaction than you are if you ever see your daughter again no i'm absolutely petrified absolutely petrified i know my mom will never forgive me i'm never going to forgive myself is it that there's some other thing more important in your life right now that you just weren't really focused on what you were saying when you told us so yeah kind of just accidentally told us you had an office here and we needed to be here or did you purposely just lead us which of those two is it purposely okay so you purposely misled us this was all an attempt to help find your daughter right that makes sense dude craig in a backwards sort of way i guess backwards i'm coming back to places that are familiar to me that i know are familiar to her familiar situations that maybe but just maybe she would help she's almost three she's almost three what do you think she's gonna take a cab here i mean i know how do you think she's gonna get here because she's with someone else she's with someone else who's hid her from you for five weeks yes why would a person who has hid your daughter from you for five weeks okay bring her to the building that you used to work at i don't know what else to do anymore if i knew where she was if something would happen i would have admitted that you think she's with someone that i absolutely do not trust and that i'm absolutely scared that that you don't trust yet with babysitting your daughter for you i don't trust her now because of what happened who did you call first who did you go to for help first to help try to find her no one oh no okay all right okay well i'm glad we got that straightened out casey was then taken to the county jail where she in the evening hours was able to make a phone call and just happened to see her mother on the local news moments before speaking to her casey mom hey well i just saw your nice little cami on tv which one do you mean which one which one i did four different ones and i don't know i haven't seen them all i've only seen one or two so far you don't know what my involvement is and stuff casey mom what no i don't know what your involvement is sweetheart you you're not telling me where she's at because i don't [ __ ] know where she's at are you kidding me okay don't waste your call to and hollering where's my call sitting in the jail whose fault is you're sitting in the jail you're blaming me that you're sitting in the jail blame yourself for telling lies you mean it's not your fault what do you mean it's not your fault sweetheart if you told them the truth and not lied about everything they wouldn't do me a favor just tell me what tony's number is i don't want to talk to you right now i don't have this number um we'll get it from lee because i know leave that the house get tony's number for me hey hey can you give me tony's number i can do that i don't know what's real good it's going to be at this point well i'd like to talk to them anyway because i call to talk to my mother and wait oh by the way i don't want any of you coming up here when i have my first hearing for bond and everything else like don't even waste your time coming up here you're making it real tough for anybody to want to try to i'm not going around around with you that's pretty pointless christina would love to talk to you because she thinks that you will tell her what's going on thankfully we're gonna find out everything she's killing them if i knew where haley was do you think any of this would be happening no anyway you only got a couple minutes with us so i'm not going to let you get through the wait here's christina i'm not talking to anybody else oh hi i'm glad everybody's at my house do me a favor get my brother back because i need tony's number do tony have anything to do with hayley no nothing okay so why do you want to talk to tonic he's my boyfriend and i would actually try to sit and talk to him because i didn't get a chance to talk to him earlier because i got arrested on whim today i just want to talk to tony and get a little bit of tasty you have to tell me if you know anything about kayleigh sweetheart anything happens with haley casey upside down i'll die baby oh my god calling you guys waste huge waste casey appeared in the court the next morning and was initially denied bail by the judge he cited his reason as her undeniable disregard for the welfare of her own child she was kept in protective custody and it would be nine days until she received her first visit from her parents hi sweetie we've been we've been watching you for so long you haven't i love you i love you too hi we've been seeing you sitting down we forgive anything that you've said oh we're done hold on can we turn the volume down yeah you can probably hear it my head's gonna explode what's that t-shirt i didn't get a chance to ask him you know other things pictures on the back is it condensed the shirt turn it's the around lose hope foundation do you see it i can see your part of it yeah have you seen me and then it has the information on how to contact okay casey you don't realize the whole united states is looking for kaylie i know her cover's going to be on people magazine in a few days with a readership of over 46 million adults in america having your missing child on the front cover of people magazine would seem as a godsend to most yet casey's response is almost as if it's a lost cause everybody is looking for her oh good everybody is looking for her are we going to be able to find her do you think i hope we can mom now i didn't get a chance to ask lee um can you look up a little bit more raise your eyes up a little bit there you go look straight up so i can look into your eyes darling thank you i need you know i need to do that it's okay to cry casey it's all right love we've all been crying setting aside morality and ethics for just a moment casey at this point would be emotionally exhausted she had been sitting in an isolated jail cell for almost two weeks as the entire world was turning against her anyone in her position guilty or otherwise would be a near breaking point and her composed exterior now finally slips she for a brief moment allows herself to be vulnerable and for perhaps the first time expresses the pain of her situation this is one of the few moments where casey's true self is on display of itself it's a touching moment between a mother and daughter yet if we add in the context of the surrounding elements she is only expressing this pain for herself just a moment ago when she saw her deceased daughter's face on her father's shirt none of this emotion came out it lets us know that she does indeed have the personality type to get emotional yet her empathy is clearly focused in one direction which is inward toward herself the rest of the visit is extremely bizarre casey's parents try to extract any information they can about kaylie's possible whereabouts and each time are essentially dismissed by casey as if they're asking pointless and irritating questions do we have any pictures of sandy's apartment elena i already talked about this i don't know on the desk at home i don't know what is your i can't get into your um i gave lee everything already all of the passwords everything we could possibly i want to get all over again i want to get some video clips off kaylee because the video clip with grandpa is really helping people still pictures don't show no they are just personality right and we need to show her personality so i need to make sure we get that password i gave lee the password please look up sweetheart i need to see your eyes i want to be able to look at you guys too i can't look at you and look at the camera well you don't have to look at the camera look at me i'm looking at you okay you're sitting very low i know the exchange switches back and forth from inquisitive and challenging to sympathetic and loving and every time her parents stop inquiring over the case and show that they still care about casey herself is when the tears come out do you want to speak to your father now sure okay hey gorgeous how you doing i look like hell well you know something you you really need to keep your spirit high for all this i have i haven't been crying while i've been in here well you know trying to read books and do other things to keep my mind off of stuff well you know i want to be able to reach out and hug you and give you the you know the big papa joe hug but you know i i we got to get that little girl back any way we can and we're doing everything we can my only concern i gave leah's statement i want him to speak to whoever in the media give them a statement specifically from me he's gonna give them an exact quote every time casey's parents mention that people are willing to help with a search casey dismisses their credibility and even attacks some of their characters while she's at it tara tara from michigan you mean mark's psycho ex-wife tara yes listen people like tara people like jesse who are maybe trying to help even christina god bless her i don't know what the hell they're talking about i want you to know i want to take your pain away from you so you can tell me anything i know that dad i miss you sweetie i know that i miss you too i wish i could have been a better dad and better grandpa you know you've been a great dad and you've been the best grandfather don't for a second think otherwise you and mom have been the best grandparents kaylee's been so lucky caitlyn is so lucky to have both of you i can't even put towards how glad i am that she's had both of you and that she still has both of you you know it goes without saying you know that our our house is empty without both of you there it's empty all the little things we took for granted we miss himself so much that's exactly how i feel all your little things and all her little things just it hurts we're not there mom and i are just going through the motions you know i ate coleslaw today tell my coleslaw well you probably eat a lot of things you never used to eat before because when you're hungry you'll eat i hated bologna i've been eating bologna and cheese on occasion grits i don't do grits at all it's terrible well you know what you're gonna eat what's in front of you we get another glimpse at casey's skill in fabricating information and her ability to intertwine specific details to afford her lies some credibility these minor intricacies are what would make her extremely convincing if we didn't happen to know otherwise they never searched by her full name they searched by is in either fernandez or zaneida gonzalez never by her full name and it's z-e-n z-e-n-a-i-d-a i don't think she's a middle name there was never a middle name on anything that i remember seeing and i know she went by both last names she always has since she was younger since her mom remarried so flores awesome you don't know what i'm saying is gonzales do you don't know what fernandez gonzalez i think her her dad's first name is victor her stepdad or that could be her real dad but i remember her saying victor victor her victor and gloria are her parents but they're separated or divorced they are as of now yeah but i know she has a lot of money that's where she got the car from i only get one or two um phone calls a day that you know that are not nice phone calls but i get many many many phone calls and many people reaching out that just believe in you they believe in us finding kaylee okay so keep your head up high but if you think of anything that could help don't be afraid oh i won't hesitate to let you guys know you have to keep thinking positive positive feelings casey oh i know i have been i've been staying as positive as i can but do you think after this long she'd still be local there's a possibility what's your gut telling you right now that she's okay okay and your gut tells you that she's close or some she's she's hiding she's not far i know in my heart she's not far i can feel it this was perhaps the first time casey told the truth when speaking of her daughter's whereabouts as she indeed wasn't that far away her attorney jose baez eventually managed to get her bail and casey was fitted with an electronic monitoring device and released on august 21st she had spent just over one month in custody two months later police were granted permission to arrest casey on the charge of first-degree murder she was taken in for interrogation but immediately requested her right to counsel she was kept in the interview room while awaiting her attorney and the released footage of that period is so bizarre to the point where it's almost comical the detectives give off a passive yet glaringly obvious vibe that lets casey know exactly what they think being that she is guilty of her daughter's probable death and a fundamentally terrible human being on every imaginable level casey's response to this is to essentially ignore it and act as if the discourse between them and the situation itself is an everyday occurrence one that perhaps doesn't concern the disappearance of her daughter for which she is being charged for you'll notice that she effortlessly maintains the same confident and talkative disposition that she had in her previous interviews with police it's almost surreal to watch given the circumstance and the visual element adds an entire new level to the absurdity the first segment of footage shows the arresting officer waiting with casey for the lead investigator to arrive he initiates the conversation by bringing up the subject of casey's parents he asserts that he's worried about them but the actual message he's putting across is that he essentially knows casey is guilty and that she isn't fooling anyone it's an indirect yet obvious accusation i was afraid that some of what i said to them probably offended them because i told them that if i find out something that you don't want to hear i'm going to tell you well honestly they'll respect that that's just you know the type of people that they are in the same way i know i know they are it was never my intention to piss anybody in your family off you know i'm not in it to get a conviction i get nothing out of it i get zero exactly you have a job you're trying to do i found a few and i found a few and sucks both ways yeah i agree it is what it is where i get side sideways with people she continuously provides these sharp interjections to appear as though she's following what the detectives are saying people will often do this to express concurrence and understanding it essentially lets the other person know that you understand them either intellectually or emotionally that a point they made makes sense to you or that you get why they feel a certain way about something the only problem here is that casey's verbal reciprocation at times makes no sense whatsoever what's fascinating is that this would go unnoticed in an everyday setting when recorded on film however and able to be studied and scrutinized it becomes far more distinctive where i get side sideways with people tends to be when attorneys get involved i've heard most people say that they don't like attorneys very much i have many family members that are attorneys i have no problems with attorneys what i have problems with are at some point we have to set aside the rules and we have to find kids and you know what so be it that's why i told you in the car you know if you tell me anything now yeah i'll get up and say yep i heard it and she'd already invoked him we can't use any of it that's just the way it is that's all that matters to me the detective here has essentially just asked casey for the information he knows she has about her missing child rather than retaliate and refute the blatant accusation casey continues with her sharp responses of accordance as if to say she agrees and knows exactly where the detective is coming from yet although she apparently agrees she offers no information or follow-up dialogue thereafter it's so incredibly awkward yet equally intriguing to watch and you know when we did did another case that i was involved in you know they lost a confession and i sat down and i looked right at the guys that we worked with i said that's not what's important we found her we found her and he's going to get what has come to him that's not my job you know and and it works out in the end and it works out in the end on all sides to be honest with you it may not be comfortable for everybody yeah and there's i've done things that i get caught for you're not going to be comfortable i can tell you that it's just the way life is you know but it's not the end of the road either and that's what we have to keep in mind it's not the end of the road casey then casually brings up the topic of the grand jury and the media surrounding her murder trial she raises the questions as if she's talking about her favorite daytime tv show yeah but if the subpoena itself is just a regular federal grand jury that's public records it doesn't say what it's for it doesn't say what case it's in it doesn't it just says you're subpoenaed to appear before the grand jury well with them announcing that you know there was going to be a grand jury and obviously my name was thrown out they knew who the grand jury was for who threw your name out all the media said that it was from an inside source meaning in here so that's where they all say i can tell you what i think of the media when i think of people who leaks up to the media i think it's garbage yeah i agree that's the thing that doesn't make it any less necessary without them she's so accustomed to giving these ungenuine responses at every given opportunity that she doesn't even know where to place them correctly this response should have been given two seconds earlier when the detective finished his declination not when he started a new sentence it's so incredibly aggravating to watch i'll be quite honest without the media we don't find a quarter of the kids that we oh i agree it helps the exposure has helped bring in so many tips for my daughter but at the same time what it creates is it creates a monster that otherwise isn't necessary exactly the tips are what the tips are if it was a local media only it would be much easier to work yeah when you make it the national media then you come home you get the nancy graces well you get that you get the tips also that come from hawaii that say i saw kaylee oh really okay let me call her let me send them out that's continuous to the state of florida it's not when people are only getting their information from the nancy graces or from globe magazine or people or you know stuff like that are you kidding me you're not gonna break bad right all right we're gonna call him on my cell phone okay i know this is oh yep that's not good pull back there just slide your hands out i honestly can't so they're a little tight thanks for entertaining us just like you're gonna go corporal edwards actually if i could i would have done that for you you know has his phone number off top of your head no i did not how can we get his cell number or his number um i know his office number what is that 407. i've identified myself you know why you're in custody um and you have you sign this you want your attorney president yes hey it's casey um i'm with corporal corporal edwards i'm your last name sorry um i'm at the sheriff's department if you'd like to come down and meet with us thank you yes and to answer your other question um from that picture i cut my hair it was really short even last year i just started growing it back out this year so just about that okay it's been a long day it has been how's my dad this morning um in our time yeah my only cell from the media got a chance to hear him talking to my mom i spoke to him last night and this morning for just a quick second before he left so yeah i talked to him this morning for a little bit he was with mark and you know he was really struggling i mean i could imagine he was having a hard time you know he was being called in to to essentially provide testimony to indict you at least and he was really struggling with that yeah and uh and i felt bad i'll be honest with you i truly did well i haven't told him last night i know he was subpoenaed and under the law he had to answer whatever questions were asked and i told him to do what he had to do imagine you were casey but void of any wrongdoing whatsoever your daughter was kidnapped five weeks ago and now a detective who thinks you're the culprit is relaying the agonizing moments of your father providing information for your arrest no matter how stoic or self-controlled your nature you would most likely be in tears or completely enraged at the overwhelming unjustness of the situation are you anxious about today at all um i have been i mean this is something honestly we've been preparing for from the beginning just because of words that were directly spoken from yuri melech and also from sergeant allen they were saying that this is what they were planning on doing from the very beginning from that first day so they wrote me off within the first couple hours that was the only time they ever made any effort to try to talk to me one-on-one and that was kind of difficult that was kind of difficult considering well considering um obviously in light of everything that's going on the fact that you've been arrested for other things makes it a little more difficult to sit down and even talk to you it's not that we hadn't wanted to yeah i do have counsel and that's something that you know my attorney has always been a phone call away has your attorney ever told you that we would like to speak to you and we had agreed him and i together that we would all sit down together him and i and you guys and you know we entertain whatever questions you have and there is no possible way that a defense attorney would actually sit down and as casey states entertain any question the police have for them yet if we weren't paying close attention we would take her at her word due to the eloquence of her dialogue and not realize everything she's saying is complete nonsense that you know we wanted to talk to you i mean obviously we can't come to you and ask you yeah understandably yeah i thought that you were aware that if you wanted to talk to anybody that all you got to do was simply ask yeah well i know it goes both ways on that and i guess it would have needed to come from me i should have been the one to i guess come forward with it but you know we did open up that door to law enforcement before when sergeant allen was making a big deal saying well we want to talk to her when can we talk to her he's saying roll the doors open i don't believe he ever told us the door's open what's fascinating is how instinctive and confident her assertions are in any other circumstance or even without the knowledge we have now you would have no reason not to believe everything she's saying i've heard the words come out of his mouth even myself directed to other people that maybe didn't either relay the message or took it a different way so i don't know i think the lack of communication has put people in opposite corners when everybody has the same goal is to find kaylee we all still feel i as a mom i know in my gut there's feeling as a parent you know certain things about your child you can feel that connection and i still have that feeling that presence i know that she's alive whether you have a bucket load of evidence downstairs that contradicts that and says otherwise or all you have is speculation or or nothing at all i mean we have more than speculation there's every tip and that's every need to follow yeah that we have more than speculation we have a lot perhaps we wouldn't be to this point a lot this was essentially a direct confrontation the detective has just told casey they have sufficient evidence to prove her guilt casey doesn't refute or even respond to the accusation she instead falls back to her ridiculous dialogue once again hoping the confidence in her voice will mask the absurdity of what she's actually saying all i said i said the same thing to them that you know they said we're at the end of a hallway and i'm thinking we're out of the hallway and there's two doors which door are we going to go through or i guess this is you know more at this point and we are at this point where the final we're talking about do you understand that um well so there's no question i guess you can specify that at this point or what your perspective is on that you have a second absolutely can we come right back yeah that's fine you plan on running off i'm not going anywhere i think i'll stretch out a little bit i'm not as young as it used to be it's unfortunate that right when the pressure was starting to build the second detective interrupts the exchange and they both leave the room soon after casey waits alone for roughly 40 minutes before her attorney shows up he's going to ask a question he don't say anything else other than the answer okay easy based on our conversation today and i read you that form basically just same thing i said to mr baez over the phone if there's been numerous requests or requests or opportunities requests for opportunities to speak with us and come to a resolution here that's why we brought you here instead of jail correct yes okay now based on your request for us to call him and bring him here he's here so what we're going to try to do is give you a few minutes somewhere that's not recorded no secrets i told you this room's resorted i have to be able to approach my chain and explain why the detective now guilefully takes casey up on her previous offer where she insisted they were willing to sit down with police and answer questions but first i needed you to tell him in your own words if you will that you'd like to take the opportunity to deal with us like you've made that request in the past so is that something you want to tell him i told him the same thing we talked about before that we would entertain any questions that they have we would listen and discuss it and if we have something to respond we'll respond okay do you want to speak to me in private yes so we can clarify this yes it would come as no surprise that no conference was to be had casey was instead taken to the county jail where she would remain for two and a half years awaiting trial once this footage was released to the public domain the consensus was that casey at best was a cold-hearted mother and at worst a hideous despicable murderer but what's curious is that although these opinions may be accurate they came from a completely misguided notion being that her behavior in the footage was entirely genuine casey was in all likelihood being completely fake this entire time so you might be curious as to why a person would actually fake such a poised temperament when it would be far more fitting to fake sadness and despair we all have aspects to ourselves that are ungenuine to a certain degree how we act at a business dinner won't be the way we are at home with our close friends or family the more comfortable the setting the more we can be ourselves those educated on casey's past would assert that she was rarely sad rarely angry but always this bubbly and agreeable personality even when it didn't suit the situation she was one of those people where something just seemed off but you couldn't quite put your finger on it the evidence put forward suggests that casey was fake in every single setting and with every single person all of the time a trait that might go unnoticed in everyday life yet would clearly stand out when shown under the microscope of a criminal case study casey had become so accustomed to this fraudulent way of being that it even came as a natural behavior to her in the extraordinary setting we see here and the assertion is that because casey knew just how well she could fabricate this character she thought she could use it to mask her anxiety and thus conceal guilty behavior casey in all likelihood had little to no regard for her daughter that's not even an argument anymore but her true temperament here would likely be far more apprehensive due to the concern over her own welfare every time the detective insinuated an accusation casey kept the same tone same demeanor and same confident light-hearted disposition if you took her out of this interrogative setting and placed her in the mall with her friends it would seem completely normal she would be faking her personality in both environments yet we are only able to realize it in one this type of mindset is linked to sociopathy whatever the situation or circumstance they need to have an advantage over you so how do they do this they lie and also calculate how they are going to feel and react to a certain situation before it occurs the entirety of her focus was on making herself look good rather than being worried about the actual quality of her character casey in a nutshell was an inauthentic person long before she ever gave birth to her ill-fated daughter and her skill at deception alongside her manufactured personality is arguably the most terrifying part of this entire case on december 11 2008 just under five months since she was reported missing kaylie's skeletal remains were discovered in a swamp less than a mile away from the anthony household she was wrapped in a winnie-the-pooh blanket and then placed in a canvas laundry bag duct tape was discovered around the nose and mouth area of the skull and her death was ruled a homicide prosecutors in the case then announced they would be seeking the death penalty there were a multitude of discoveries made in the lead-up to the trial and many believed it to be an open and shut case due to the damnatory nature of the evidence on the last day kaylee was seen alive by anyone other than her mother and the day many believed she was murdered casey anthony made the following internet searches at 7 54 p.m that same evening casey and her boyfriend tony were seen in a blockbuster video store kaylee was nowhere in sight and many presume she was already dead and decomposing in casey's trunk at this point in the following weeks casey went out partying most nights just three days after her daughter's supposed abduction she was captured in various photos participating in a hot body contest twelve days after she got a tattoo on her back saying bella vita an italian motto that translates beautiful life she also made an entry in her diary around the same time which read i completely trust my own judgment and i knew that i made the right decision this is the happiest that i have been in a very long time i hope that my happiness will continue to grow the trial commenced on may 24th 2011. the gist of the prosecution's argument was that casey suffocated her daughter with duct tape and then placed her in a trunk for a few days before disposing of her body in the swamp the motive for the murder was the primary focus during their opening statement this isn't just a case about casey marie anthony it's a story about kaylee anthony as well haley anthony was born on august 9 of 2005 it was a tuesday and kaylee lived nearly every day of her life on a quiet residential street in orlando called hope spring drive casey anthony kaylee's mother appeared to all outward observers to be what her parents thought she was a loving mother working hard to provide support for her daughter but as the evidence in this case and the investigation into the background of casey anthony will show that was an illusion on monday june 16th cindy anthony goes to work as i've described sometime between 7 and 8 a.m and is out of the house until the late evening george anthony specifically recalls that at 12 50 p.m on june 16th of 2008 his daughter casey left the residence on hope spring drive with kaylee marie anthony kaylee was wearing pink shirt jean shorts sunglasses and a backpack and jojo george anthony kissed his granddaughter goodbye i never saw her again in fact no one but casey anthony ever saw haley for anthony alive again the evidence in this case will establish that there is no other reason for the placement of multiple pieces of duct tape on this child's face mouth and nose other than the specific intent to end that child's life no one but casey anthony had access to all the pieces of evidence in this case the duct tape the laundry bag the blanket the shorts the shirt the car no one else lied to their friends to their family to investigators no one else benefited from the death of kaylee marie anthony haley's death allowed casey anthony to live the good life at least for those 31 days although there was a lack of direct physical evidence tying the defendant to her daughter's death the evidence the state actually had still seemed overwhelming and they understandably thought relying on the facts alone would easily secure a conviction the defense on the other hand were up against it so not only did they use charm and appeal to sway the jury's attention away from the evidence they dropped an absolute bombshell in their opening statements to create as much doubt as humanly possible on behalf of the defense i want to thank you for the sacrifice that you've made in your jury service and coming here and helping us see justice we know it's no easy task and we intend i'm sure both sides on getting you home as quickly as possible once you have all of the information that you need everyone wants to know what happened how in the world can a mother wait 30 days before ever reporting her child missing it's insane it's bizarre something's just not right about that well the answer is actually relatively simple she never was missing kaylee anthony died on june 16 2008 when she drowned in her family's swimming pool well the reason we're all here is because not of the commonality of this tragedy but of the uniqueness of the family that it happened to you will hear about ugly things secret things things that people don't speak about things that casey never spoke about on june 16 2008 after kaylee died casey did what she's been doing all her life or for most of it hiding her pain going into that dark corner and pretending that she does not live in in the situation that she's living this family must keep its secrets quiet and it all began when casey was eight years old and her father came into her room and began to touch her inappropriately this child who at eight years old learned to lie immediately she could be 13 years old have her father's penis in her mouth and then go to school and play with the other kids as if nothing ever happened that will help you understand why no one knew that her child was dead the trial would go on to last six weeks with a prosecution exposing the truly dark and deceptive nature of casey's character while the state relied on fact the defense clung on to theory and proposed every conspiracy under the sun in the hope they would create enough skepticism and confusion one of the more noted details of the trial was the courtroom presence of jose baez he had an exceptional ability of narrative control and storytelling and his capacity to create a connection with a jury seemed far more adequate than that of the state this was recognized and mentioned multiple times in the media yet the overwhelming majority of those following the case were almost certain that it wouldn't be enough to save the defendant closing arguments were put forward on sunday the third of july when you have a child that child becomes your life this case is about the clash between that responsibility and the expectations that go with it and the life that casey anthony wanted to have casey meets tony tony has this life he's free he's a club promoter he's out there at night with the loud music and dancing and it's a great free life so she has a choice a life tethered to a child or a life free to be 22 and as hard as it is for anyone to imagine she had to choose between two sacrificing two things the first was her dreams in the life she wanted and the second was her child and we'd submit to you the evidence in this case shows that the choice she made was her child here we are at the end of our journey and i have to tell you that i probably think you have more questions than you have answers and if you recall at opening statements the first the final thing that i told you at the end of the day when everything is said and done the one question will never be answered the key question in this case will never be answered it can never be proven and that is how did kaylee die i'm going to start with my biggest fear i'm going to tell you right up front what i fear may happen in this case and i want to talk to you about it and explain why i feel that way this case deals with so much emotion i know that there were times where every single person in here felt something deep down inside your rules of deliberation what the law is is that this case must not be decided for or against anyone because you feel sorry for anyone or are angry at anyone you'll notice that mr baez locks the jury's focus on this while subtly concealing this he presents the argument that the prosecution has purposely got the jury emotionally invested in the case in the hope it would push them towards a guilty verdict yet in this exact same statement he himself is getting them emotionally invested for the exact opposite reason while refuting the prosecution's supposed attempt to entice anger he subtly attempts to evoke empathy say what you want about this attorney in the ethics of his conduct but what you are about to witness is expertly done and what many believed to be what saved casey anthony's life and that's because obviously we want you to base your verdict on the evidence not on emotion and it's my biggest fear because it's such a difficult thing for you to push aside kaylee anthony was a beautiful sweet innocent child who died far too soon there's no doubt about it and that is not disputed by anyone but to parade her up here to invoke your emotion would be improper it's improper under the law and it's improper as to the rules of your deliberation he went on for a great length of time talking about this beautiful child not on his evidence not on the evidence that was presented before you it was to set up the emotion for what was to come and that is exactly how this case was presented you they didn't come right out the gate and show you the evidence they gave you two weeks of testimony that was completely irrelevant and served only one purpose and that was to paint casey anthony as a [ __ ] as a party girl as a girl who lies and has absolutely nothing to do with how kaylee died and this prosecution was geared in such a manner that it was deliberate it was methodical it was thorough and it was detailed mr baez then focuses on the fact that the state has the burden of proof and thereafter continues to intertwine the two essential features of his argument empathy and doubt don't speculate don't guess it has to be proven to you beyond into the exclusion of every reasonable doubt if you don't know what happened it wasn't proven we don't want you to tell us what you think happened we want you to tell us what was proven happened and that's the difference here because you know what we can go on and speculate all day long as to the different theories that were posed before you as to the different possibilities but the truth of the matter is is it must be what was proven there are no mysteries to solve here there should be no mystery before you right now if you have questions then it was not proven and that's as simple as it goes now back to what i was saying with their initial setup the way the case was presented the first couple weeks you see the strategy behind that is is if you hate her if you think she's a lying no good [ __ ] then you'll start to look at this evidence in a different light you'll start to oh wait a minute maybe i i'm seeing something that's not there and start to actually discriminate against her rather than give her the standard that is afforded to each and every citizen in our country and that is that the state that the government come in here and prove their case beyond and to the exclusion of every reasonable doubt but you can get away with that if we can get a jury to hate her but you're here to fulfill an oath you've labored tremendously over this journey and we're going to ask you to render a verdict of not guilty on these charges because they simply were not proven and they're simply not true for the ninth judicial circuit and in for orange county florida state of florida versus casey marie anthony as to case number 2008 cf15606-0 as to the charge of first-degree murder verdict as to count one we the jury find the defendant not guilty so say we all dated at orlando orange county florida on this fifth day of july 2011 signed for person as to the charge of aggravated child abuse verdict does to count two the jury find the defendant not guilty so say we all did it at orlando orange county florida this fifth day of july 2011 signed for person as to the charge of aggravated manslaughter of a child verdict is to count three we the jury find the defendant not guilty so say we all dated at orlando orange county florida this fifth day of july 2011 signed for person and turn number 12 were these your to incorrect verdicts yes thank you okay will uh council and the defendant approach the podium well i hope that this is a lesson to those of you have been indulged in media assassination for three years bias and prejudice and incompetent talking heads saying what would be and how to be i'm disgusted by some of the lawyers that have done this and i can tell you that my colleagues from coast to coast and border to border have condemned this whole process of lawyers getting on television and talking about cases that they don't know a damn thing about and don't have the experience to back up their words or the law to do it now you've learned a lesson and we appreciate the jury those of you that have been objective and professional we like it others we're going to be talking to you again thank you very much casey did not murder kaylee it's that simple and today our system of justice has not dishonored her memory by a false conviction most would agree that the verdict was a chance occurrence on any given day it could have gone the other way and perhaps the most conspicuous detail was how casey's sociopathic character actually worked in her favor her conduct following the death of her own child was so extraordinarily callous that it played right into the skillful tactics of her defense it was enough to place just enough doubt in the minds of the jury and thus afford casey anthony a second chance at life the second chance her daughter never had

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Length: 69min 32sec (4172 seconds)

Published: Sat Aug 01 2020

Reddit Comments

[u/Thrownawayactually]

She absolutely killed that little girl and got away with it.

[u/ShadySingh]

Wtf how the fuck does she lie and come up with complex scenarios for fictional characters so easily?

George R Martin should give her the rights to finish ASOIAF. She'd come up with satisfying arcs for every character and finish the last 2 books in a couple of weeks

[u/devilsolution]

Wtf, she got off with it? Thats fully insane.

She was a proven compulsive liar. Wow

[u/AlfredsLoveSong]

Easily one of my favorite YouTubers out there.

For those who don't know, JCS dissects the mind of criminal suspects in trial, interrogation, and in their life leading up to the event that made them the suspect in the crime.

His videos are often exceptionally long, but they're super engaging all the way through. I would post a TLDR of this video, but I'm not sure that anything I type would really do it justice.

I'll try anyway. In short:

• Casey Anthony was the primary (and only) suspect in the disappearance (and eventual death) of three year old Caylee Anthony, Casey's daughter.

• The police weren't informed of Caylee's disappearance for 31 days, and it was only because Casey's mother discovered that she was missing.

• Casey informed police that she thought "she could find her herself", but spent most of those 31 days partying, smoking weed, and getting a tattoo that read "the good life" once translated.

• Casey informed police that Caylee was left with her babysitter (a woman who likely never babysat her) as Casey went to work at Universal studios (a job which she hadn't held in over two years).

• When Casey took officers to her office in Orlando, she led them through the halls of the Universal offices for 25 minutes before, "stopping, turning around, putting her hands in her back pockets, and laughing." While Casey had indeed previously worked there, she mislead detectives into thinking she was an event coordinator, but she actually worked in a kiosk in the park selling photos of guests on rides.

• Caylee's body was eventually found in a swamp with duct tape around her mouth, not far from home.

• On the morning of Caylee's disapearance, Casey googled "foolproof suffocation" among other strange things.

• The interrogation videos are fucking bizarre and unlike anything I've ever seen before. Sort of impossible to explain. She soooooo lax about everything. The way that she verbally responds to anything said to her is really interesting, and JCS spends 5-6 minutes deconstructing that alone. As an outsider looking in, it's ludicrously obvious that she is being misleading and manipulative.

• The story dominated the news all over the US. It was all anyone was talking about. Not on the level of the Michael Jackson or OJ trials, but certainly up there.

• Casey was acquitted of all crimes surrounding the murder of her daughter, but was found guilty in lying to law enforcment. She served four years and was released. She currently lives in Florida, working as a researcher for a private investigator.

edited some bullets for clarity.

TLDR for the TLDW: Listen to his closing thoughts for the final 30 seconds by clicking here

[u/AutumnLan]

WOW! Her mom is crying and begging her on the phone and she responds with "Omg calling you was a waste of time ". WTF is wrong with those jurors!!!!!

[u/AuxiliaryPatchy]

I dunno, she seems like a real straight shooter to me.

[u/AragornSnow]

Did Casey’s father actually molest her or was that bullshit? Did he confess to that? Was there any evidence of it?

[u/CannabisCat11]

That thumbnail scared me so bad.

[u/Sexywithapsycho]

Im so glad to see that theres still people out there that remember that sweet baby and what a monster her mother is