The W124 Mercedes 500E was the world's most perfect sedan | Revelations with Jason Cammisa | Ep. 05

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My dream car, but they are so expensive in my country :/

👍︎︎ 35 👤︎︎ u/FrydTheBeast 📅︎︎ Apr 15 2021 đź—«︎ replies

The credits are perfect. Hyphen.

👍︎︎ 29 👤︎︎ u/skl007 📅︎︎ Apr 15 2021 đź—«︎ replies

I never cared much for these old W124 Mercedes but now i want one for the styling alone. Taste really does change as you get older. The part about the Porsche factory spitting out Audi RS2 and 500E at the same time was also really cool.

👍︎︎ 67 👤︎︎ u/wtfthisisntreddit 📅︎︎ Apr 15 2021 đź—«︎ replies

Stunning video from Jason and his team. I know it would kill Jason, but I'd watch a video from him every single day of the week.

👍︎︎ 18 👤︎︎ u/YouAreMentalM8 📅︎︎ Apr 15 2021 đź—«︎ replies

subtle like an iron fist in a velvet glove

👍︎︎ 12 👤︎︎ u/LuciusVarinus 📅︎︎ Apr 15 2021 đź—«︎ replies

Cammisa talking about the W124? This is PERFECT!

👍︎︎ 30 👤︎︎ u/khanak 📅︎︎ Apr 15 2021 đź—«︎ replies

What a well made video. This rivals prime time TV levels of production, on youtube. What a time to be alive.

👍︎︎ 9 👤︎︎ u/Glockshna 📅︎︎ Apr 15 2021 đź—«︎ replies

designed with restraint for the discrete hoonigan

👍︎︎ 4 👤︎︎ u/Bob-Rooney 📅︎︎ Apr 15 2021 đź—«︎ replies

Man, this car is so handsome. That boxyness is something else. My dream car is this or the W126. Bruno Sacco and team had such great designs.

👍︎︎ 4 👤︎︎ u/Clareth_GIF 📅︎︎ Apr 16 2021 đź—«︎ replies
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Once upon a time, the entire world conspired to make  the perfect sedan. It was designed by an Italian   who was obsessed with safety. It was engineered  by Germans who were infatuated with fuel economy.  It had a Le Mans-winning V-8, strangely because  the Japanese had just finally "arrived" in America...  and it was so fat it didn't fit down its own  production line. So it needed to be hand built  by rivals across town. It was the Mercedes-Benz 500E. And it is the world's most perfect sedan. By the mid-1970s, Mercedes had twice put an unconscionably large V-8 in its S-class.    The first was 6.3 liters of "shut up, hippie!" The second was a 6.9-liter middle finger issued right in the middle of a fuel crisis. And yet despite these childish acts of defiance, Mercedes' image remained   old and stodgy. Ironically, that very fuel  crisis sent Mercedes into an existential tailspin that resulted in twins! The sub-compact  W201 and compact W124 sedans rescued Mercedes from   the past and catapulted it to defining the future of  the automobile. Thanks to looming U.S. fuel economy   regulations, Mercedes threw its entire engineering  might behind its compact twins — which would also   use a new family of fuel efficient four-, five-, and six-cylinder engines. And then Mercedes found an   Italian to make them look like the future. Bruno Sacco's design was revolutionary, though it may   not look it now, because every sedan since has  been modeled after these cars: integrated bumpers,   flush headlights, tail lights on the body with a trunk opening that dipped below them. It also had   a wedge-shaped high trunklid for aerodynamics. And something else: its rear was tapered like a   teardrop. It may look like an upright square box to the eye, but not to the air: with a coefficient of drag as low as 0.26, the W124 is one of the  most aerodynamically efficient sedans of all time. This was designed in the 1970s! These cars looked like spaceships when they debuted   because everything else on the road looked like this! Thing about Bruno Sacco is that he had just   come from Mercedes' safety department. So while his stated goal was to create a design that would stay   relevant for three decades, his actual target was at the confluence of design, efficiency, and safety. So, Sacco's cars included innovations like  the mesmerizing articulating single wiper.   It covered a record-breaking 86 percent of  the windshield, but its arm stayed parallel   to the airflow at all times so the blade didn't  lift off the glass on the Autobahn. And ribbed taillights designed so that they still transmit light when they're covered with snow or mud.    And rear headrests that drop down at the press of a button so you didn't back over your neighbor's kid (by accident.) By the end of the 1980s, Mercedes  was basking in its huge success, with Yuppies   everywhere fawning all over their expensive over-engineered status symbols. But with the new decade   came a new crisis, and its name was Lexus. Lexus stunned the world with a flagship that was, in almost all respects, better than the Mercedes S-Class — and it cost half as much! Less, even, than the six-cylinder 300E! Poof! There went a quarter of  Mercedes-Benz's U.S. sales, overnight! A desperate plea came in from Mercedes North America: [off screen] "Hey Krauts! Throw a v8 in that thing or we're never going to be able to sell another one!" Good idea, but remember this was a fuel crisis vehicle: it was designed for skinny little four- five- and six-cylinder engines. And Mercedes' obsession with   safety meant the frame rails were placed close to  the center of the engine compartment to protect   you in an offset crash. Way ahead of its time, but a big, wide V-8 was never gonna fit. And with Mercedes   engineers so busy trying to figure out how to beat  Lexus with the next S-Class, they just didn't have   the time to mess with the old 124. But you know who did? Porsche! Three things to remember: Porsche and Mercedes are both headquartered in Stuttgart: they're like walking distance away from each other. See? Secondly Porsche was in huge trouble,  with U.S. sales down by almost 90 percent! They were desperate for money and work. And third, Porsche has an engineering consulting service.   So Mercedes walked right over and hired Porsche to  fit the new Mercedes V-8 into the 124.   Porsche Engineering would be responsible for widening the front frame rails to make room; reinforcing the firewall and structure to deal with the extra  power; moving the front seats further apart to fit the exhaust down the new, wider transmission tunnel;  and then doing the side-impact crash testing. Meanwhile, the new V-8, codenamed M119, had just made its production car debut in the 500SL... and then immediately won the 24 Hours of Le Mans. The 1989 Sauber C9 used a twin-turbo, 925-horsepower version of that engine, and it took first, second, and fifth places in that race! Mercedes tested the engines after the endurance  race and found out that not only did they make   more power after the race than they did before, they showed negligible wear. You can't make this   stuff up. Anyway, the M119 came in two different sizes, and Mercedes realized that if they put   shorter connecting rods in it, the 5.0-liter could be made to have the same external dimensions as   the 4.2 liter... Which meant that Porsche's engineering could be used for two models:   The first would be the 400E, designed for the American market to compete against another car   with 400 in its name: yeah, the Lexus LS400. The second model was aimed right at Munich, with the   full-fat 5-liter to banish the sport sedan that  had been giving Mercedes Autobahn Agita for years:  the BMW M5. This big-bore, short-stroke  all-aluminum V-8 is a masterpiece.   The block is decades old but the heads were all-new with 4 valves per cylinder, 4 camshafts, and variable valve timing. It made supercar power — but there was a problem. A big, fat problem. To complement all that power, Mercedes gave the 500E suspension, wheel, and brake components from   the heavier and wider (R129) SL. To fit that stuff, the 500E got 2.2 inches of delicious, gorgeous   finger-licking fender flares. And now it was so fat it didn't fit down its own production line at the Mercedes plant! Once again, Porsche to the rescue! The  factory that had been building the 959 supercar was sitting empty, and so Mercedes paid Porsche again — this time to build the 500E. Mercedes would ship over a 300E body-in-white, which Porsche would then modify to fit the V-8. It sent the reinforced body back over to Mercedes for paint. If it was to be a narrow-body 400E, it would continue down the production line at Mercedes. If it was to be a 500E, it would be trucked back to a different plant at Porsche along with a big box of parts. Then, Porsche would assemble it all into a car and send it back to Mercedes again for final inspection and delivery. This absurd process took 18 days, and it is one of the reasons this  thing was so expensive. In 1992, it cost $89,000! That was 35% more than a BMW M5 — and in today's terms, that's nearly Bentley money. For a compact! The outrageously hot Audi RS2 wagon was built in  the same factory. Which meant for a short time, you   could actually see Mercedeses and Audises coming out of the same Porsche factory together. But while   the RS2 was genuinely a Porsche-Audi collaboration, the 500E... wasn't! Everyone wants to believe that the   500E was a Porsche sports sedan but the only  Porsche part on it is the battery cover which   has a sticker on it from a supplier saying that  Porsche bought it from them. Look, Porsche did the   engineering to bolt parts from one Mercedes model  onto another Mercedes model. Porsche didn't use any   of its own parts, and from all I can tell, had no  hand in tuning any of them. But here's the thing: Mercedes didn't need any help. Just about every  magazine article declared the 500E the best car in the world. "Automobile" said it three times in one article. Car and Driver had literally no complaints other than the price. I agree. This is a car from  back when Mercedes engineers outranked Mercedes accountants. And that means that a Mercedes would  be priced based on what it cost to engineer and then produce, not the other way around. That's why they say — and they really used to mean — that a Mercedes-Benz is engineered like no other car  in the world. Because it was. Its recirculating-ball steering is more talkative than any modern  cars, Porsche and Ferrari included. The engine is a torquey, revvy, acoustical masterpiece. The structure feels as stiff as anything today. The interior is... perfect. Okay, it's not perfect. It starts  out in second gear unless you boot it,  and then the traction control hates burnouts — but both of those things can be fixed. So effectively   what we have here is the best compact sedan in the world, upgraded with four Recaro bucket seats,   flared fenders, and a Le Mans-winning V-8 under its hood. But no Le Mans speeds because the 500E was   electronically limited to 156 mph as per  the gentleman's agreement between BMW and Mercedes. I've heard people say all over the world this  car will do 178 mph if you just remove the limiter.   No. It would require hardware changes  for the 500E to go faster than 156 mph and that's because   Mercedes chose a final drive ratio such that  the engine is at its 6000-rpm redline when the  car is at its 156-mph top speed. To go  any faster, you'd need longer gears. But by choosing   the short gear ratio it decimated fuel economy (ironic, given that the 124 was originally designed   for fuel economy) but it means that Mercedes never  sacrificed acceleration in the name of MPGs. And so, despite only four gears and a slushbox, the 500E hit 60 mph in five and a half seconds,   blasted through the quarter mile at 101 mph, and left the E34 BMW M5 for dead — and not just in a straight line! The Mercedes out-braked and out-cornered the M-Car, too. The 500E (and the E500, as it was badged in its final year) have gotten a lot more enthusiast attention than any of the   big-motor Benzes that came before it, and I don't think it's because it was touched by the hands   of Porsche — so was the 400E, and you don't care  about that car! No, I think it's for three reasons: Number one: this is not a full-size luxury car. It's a compact car — it's the size of today's Honda Civic. Two: the 6.3 and 6.9 were basically cushy luxury sedans with a jet pack strapped to the back.   This was a comprehensive rethink of a luxury car with intergalactic power — that had handling to match. And Three: the 500E is a W124, and the 124  has a well-earned reputation at being   perhaps the best-engineered best-proportioned, best-designed, longest-lasting sedan of all time. They say, "it takes a village," and in  the case of the 500E, it took Mercedes brain power,  Italian design, American fuel economy regs, Japanese competition, and then Porsche's engineering. So, it took more than just a village: it  took half the world — including two car   companies that were in the same village. But all  of those forces came together to create what was   certainly then, and probably still is  today, the world's most perfect sedan. okay so you're just gonna keep the ferrari  framed out the entire time right yep okay   action i'm not some rich youtuber asking you to  like and subscribe hey keep the ferrari out i'm   an automotive journalist asking you to like and  subscribe and that's because that's how youtube   works if you don't click those buttons youtube  doesn't know you liked what you've just seen and   isn't going to show you any more of it and if  you don't like what you've just seen well join   the club and by that i mean the hagerty drivers  club which gets you access to this award-winning   magazine as well as discounts on amazing stuff and  if if you still don't like what you've seen well   then just leave a nasty comment because that's  how the internet works i need to go clean that up
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Length: 14min 23sec (863 seconds)
Published: Thu Apr 15 2021
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