BILLYE BRIM: You crowned
him with Glory. Glory is the highest
heavenly substance. It's God Himself, and it's
God manifested. (Singing) I know my God
has made the way for me. I know my God has
made the way for me. ANNOUNCER: The glory of God is
God Himself. No other force in the universe can stand in
its presence. Learn with Gloria Copeland and Billye Brim today
on the Believer's Voice of Victory how God's glory is
something tangible and seen. GLORIA: Hello, everybody.
Welcome to the Believer's Voice of Victory. Billye's
back with us, and we're going to be talking about
something that is so exciting. You do not want to miss it
about the manifestation of the glory. BILLYE:
Manifestation of the glory of God. GLORIA: Oh, it's awesome.
BILLYE: You know, by definition, "glory" is the word "kabod," and
it means heavy. It means heavy with everything, good, splendor,
copiousness. GLORIA: Marvelous. Glory. BILLYE: And by revelation
from the Word of God, the glory of God is God. It's the presence
of God-- GLORIA: Himself. BILLYE: --Himself manifested.
Almost every place where it talks about it, you could see,
you know. So when I was working for Kenneth E. Hagin back in the
'70s--I worked for him from 1970 to 1980, transcribing--not
transcribing, it would come to me already transcribed, but
editing his teachings into books and the Word of Faith and
lessons. And the Lord said to him, "It would behoove you if
you would look up every scripture in the Bible on
glory." Now, you didn't get to just punch a computer in those
days and suddenly every scripture comes up, like I've
got right here, on glory. No. He had to look them all up. And he
looked them up. And he listed several of them. And when the
Lord would show him--I would watch him. I'm sitting in the
congregation. I'm the editor. I have to get what he teaches and
preaches down, you know, for people. And when the Lord would
tell him to use it, he kept it in the back of his Bible. He
kind of jumped like this when God spoke to him. And he'd get
those out and read them. Boy, we knew we were in for something
because he's going to read those scriptures. GLORIA: Would he
teach on them as he went, or-- BILLYE: He actually didn't.
GLORIA: He just read them? BILLYE: He actually just started
reading them. GLORIA: Wow. BILLYE: And as he read them,
then sometime in that reading, there would come, from the back,
like a cloud or like a wave of an ocean. Either way, could be
either one. GLORIA: While he--while he was reading--
BILLYE: While he's reading-- GLORIA: --about the glory--
BILLYE: --about the glory-- GLORIA: --it manifested? BILLYE:
--it manifested. GLORIA: Oh. Hallelujah. BILLYE: And as it
came in, it picked up the people, and they would fall,
they would come forth to the altar. GLORIA: Glory to God.
BILLYE: He would step out of it, step out of the cloud so that he
wouldn't fall. But we knew it was going to come. GLORIA: Wow.
BILLYE: And the scriptures he would read, just to read you a
few of them, Exodus 24:16, "And the glory of the Lord abode upon
mount Sinai, and the cloud covered it six days: and the
seventh day he called Moses out of the midst of the cloud."
Verse 17, "And the sight of the glory of the Lord was like
devouring fire on top of the mount in the eyes of the
children of Israel." GLORIA: Oh that's-- BILLYE: Exodus 29:43,
"And there I will meet with the children of Israel, and the
tabernacle shall be sanctified by my glory." The glory of God
in the Old Testament, it manifested. See, "the sight of
the glory," there was something about the glory of God when it
manifested, you could see it. GLORIA: Yeah. BILLYE: You could
see it like the cloud. GLORIA: And apparently, it was not a
misty thing. It says "like devouring fire" up on the
mountain. BILLYE: Fire. Yeah, no, I don't think that's like a
mist. GLORIA: It's phewch. BILLYE: Phoo, that's fire. You
know, fire came down on the tops of their heads when they
received the Holy Ghost on the-- GLORIA: Yeah, that's right.
BILLYE: --Pentecost. GLORIA: Tongues of fire. BILLYE: The
glory. GLORIA: Yeah. BILLYE: Then Verse 40, Chapter--Exodus
40:34, "Then a cloud covered the tent of the congregation, and
the glory of the Lord filled the tabernacle. And Moses was not
able to enter the congregation--the tent of the
congregation because the cloud abode thereon, and the glory of
the Lord filled the tabernacle." GLORIA: So he could not go in.
BILLYE: He couldn't go in. It's so thick. GLORIA: Wouldn't that
be something? BILLYE: So heavy with everything good. GLORIA:
That's why people fall out under the power. BILLYE: Uh-huh. In
Leviticus 9:23, the last part of that verse says, "And the glory
of the Lord appeared unto all the people." All the children
of Israel could see it. II Chronicles 5:14 on the next
page, "The priests--" This is the temple now, "could not stand
to minister by reason of the cloud: for the glory of the Lord
had filled the house of God." GLORIA: Mm. BILLYE: I'm not
going to, you know, go on reading them. There's scripture
after scripture after scripture. We go over on into the New
Testament. And Stephen, when he's being stoned, he looks up
and he sees the glory of God. But Brother Hagin would
start--the Lord told him, "It would behoove you." So I figured
if it behooved him, it would behoove me. GLORIA: And it
behooves me now that you-- BILLYE: Yes, right. It is
behoove you-- GLORIA: It's a behooving list. Thank you.
BILLYE: It's behooveable. Behoove--commandment, behoove
you. GLORIA: Oh, I tell you, that's big. BILLYE: It would
behoove you. GLORIA: Hallelujah. BILLYE: A blessing. GLORIA:
Mm-hmm. BILLYE: So I then started preaching about the
glory of the Lord. GLORIA: This is an interesting--this is off
subject. BILLYE: Uh-huh. GLORIA: Interesting scripture about
being rich. In Psalm 49:16, it says, "Be not thou afraid when
one is made rich--" BILLYE: Mm-hmm. GLORIA: "--when the
glory of his house is increased." BILLYE: Yes. Bless
the Lord. GLORIA: Mm-hmm. BILLYE: Now, I then--at the same
time I was teaching a Sunday school class in Collinsville,
Oklahoma, and I--a lot of the people had come in, Charismatic
Move. Some of them were just babies that had been born again.
So I decided they needed to know, you know, the story--they
needed to know the Bible, they needed to know the plan. And
this is God's plan right here. GLORIA: Yeah. BILLYE: And so we
started in Genesis-- GLORIA: From beginning to the end.
BILLYE: Yeah. And we were using the--one of Kenyon's books on
"The Bible in the Light of Our Redemption." And so I began with
Genesis 1:1, which says, "In the beginning God created the
heavens and the earth." And Verse 2, "And the earth was," or
became, "without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face
of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the
waters." Now, I'm not going into teaching it right now, but there
is a great deal of time between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2. In
Genesis 1:1, God created the heavens and the earth. And
anything He creates, the Bible tells us, His work is perfect.
It tells us that in Deuteronomy 32:4. In Psalm 111:3, it says,
"God's work is glorious." So He created the earth perfect. He
created the earth glorious. But in Genesis 1:2 it says, "And the
earth became without form, and void," which is, "tohu va'bohu."
I taught on that here before, and I'm not going to go into
great detail. But the meaning of those words--I'll just take the
word "tohu," in Hebrew, is formlessness, confusion,
unreality, emptiness, chaos, and waste. He did not create the
earth that way, but it became that way. So how much time is
between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2? As long as true science
requires. But the fact was, earth became a dark place until
one day the Spirit of the Lord began to move upon that earth
and hover over it. And the next verse is, "And God said, Let
there be light." It had been dark. But now He says, "Let
there be light." And God is light. So, "Let there be Me." So
without going into--and the Bible tells all about how it
happened. You can trace some of the scriptures here. It will
give you a reference to Jeremiah 4:23. And it'll explain--
GLORIA: So with the light came the clearing up of what was
there? BILLYE: Yeah, and the recreation. GLORIA: Mm-hmm.
BILLYE: He recreated the earth. He didn't recreate the sea that
was in the earth. He brought that forth. But everything else,
He recreated. All the plant life was in the earth, but He
recreated the animal life. He created man. And what happened
between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 was the fall of Satan, the
fall of Lucifer, who became Satan, the fall of the
archangel. But we're not going to go into all that right now. I
do go into it in the book. But I wanted to go into the glory. As
I'm going through this and I'm teaching at the Sunday school
class and all about these things, "From the beginning,"
then at the beginning--there's another reference to the
beginning in Psalm 8. And in Psalm 8, Gloria, beginning with
Verse 3, this is an angel, and he's watching the recreation of
the earth. We know it's an angel because Hebrews tells us it is.
So an angel said this, watching God, "When I consider thy
heavens, and the work of thy fingers, the moon and the stars,
which thou hast ordained; what is man, that thou art mindful of
him? and the son of man, that thou visitest him? For thou hast
made him a little lower than the angels, and has crowned him with
glory and honor. Thou madest him to have dominion over the works
of your hands; you have put all things under his feet." Now,
this angel is watching, and he's watching God create things. He
starts off, really, by bragging on God. "I watched you do this.
It's just the work of your fingers. But I've got a
question." Verse 4, "What is man?" Actually, that word in the
Hebrew is "adam." "Adam," we say. GLORIA: "Why did you do
that to man?" BILLYE: "What in this world were you thinking
of?" GLORIA: "What is he?" BILLYE: That's what it says
here. "How did you have him in your mind?" In today's
vernacular, "What in the world are you thinking of making this
man?" GLORIA: Yeah, that's a good modern translation. BILLYE:
Yeah. "And look at, you visit him?" GLORIA: On top of making
him. BILLYE: "On top of making him, you're going down to his
house." GLORIA: (Laughs) Yeah. BILLYE: As far as we know, the
angels always had to approach God. But here's one that God,
speaking in modern vernacular, gets up off His throne, goes
down there in the cool of the day, in the evening-- GLORIA:
Yeah. BILLYE: --and visits him. GLORIA: Spends some time with
him. BILLYE: "What is this?" GLORIA: Yeah. I can see why it
got everybody's attention. BILLYE: You can see why it got
them--got their attention. GLORIA: Yeah. BILLYE: "You have
made them a little lower than the angels." Now, that word
that--in your Bible is "Elohim." GLORIA: It's God. BILLYE: I
think, Elohim, and it's a name of God. It's actually the plural
of God. "El," Elohim, with the "-im" on the end of it, which
shows the godhead. "You made them just a little lower than
the godhead." Now, the hierarchy that they had known for however
long eternity is, and they'd been created--they're created
beings, angels. Here's what they have known: They have known God
the Father, the one we call God the Son, and God the Holy Ghost.
That's what they had known, and then archangels. Gabriel,
Michael, at one time, Lucifer. GLORIA: So now they're saying,
"So what is this?" BILLYE: "Now, what did You do here? You slip
in one between God and the angels." GLORIA: Yeah. I can see
that. BILLYE: Imagine that. "And not only that--" GLORIA: They
couldn't understand it. BILLYE: "--you made him have dominion
over the works of your hands and you put everything under his
feet." You know, God, when He showed me the creation, He said,
"I didn't do it in a corner." He said, "When I--" And this is
what happened, you know, in Genesis. It is so great to read
it. When God said, "On the sixth day, God--" Well, He showed me
this, Gloria. I'm going to talk about a vision that I had. And
He showed me that He--He didn't do it in a corner. He said, "I
stepped to center stage, and I said something that rocked
creation. From the regions of the glory to the regions of the
damned--" GLORIA: Mm-hmm. BILLYE: "--I said, 'Let--" And I
heard it like reverberate. "Let us make man in our image after
our likeness. And let him have--let them have dominion
over the fish of the sea, over the foul of the air, over the
cattle, and over all the earth and every creeping thing that
creepeth on the earth." So God made man in His own image. So
that's what this angel saw. And that's what he heard. He said,
"You made--You gave them dominion." But before he said
that, before he said, "You gave them dominion," going back to
Psalm 8:5, it says, "You crowned him." "God, what is it that you
thought up this creature and you put a crown on him?" GLORIA: On
top of that, He's put a crown on him. BILLYE: Now, Gloria, you've
watched on television the crowning of the Queen of
England. You've watched all this pomp and circumstance. But this
far exceeded it. GLORIA: Oh, my, yes. BILLYE: And here's Adam.
And at some eternal moment, God, He didn't ask Gabriel to do it,
He didn't ask Michael to do it, He walks over to the man--
GLORIA: He crowned him. BILLYE: Crowns him. GLORIA: Glory to
God. BILLYE: What did He crown him with? Not gold. God paves
streets with gold. "You crowned him with glory." GLORIA: Glory.
BILLYE: Glory is the highest heavenly substance. It's God
Himself, and it's God manifested. And God came over
and He put up on Adam a sign of dominion, a crown. GLORIA:
Praise God. BILLYE: It's kings that have dominion. GLORIA:
Yeah. BILLYE: And He put that crown of glory upon him. And he
wasn't naked. He was crowned and clothed-- GLORIA: He clothed
him. BILLYE: --with the glory of God. GLORIA: Mm. BILLYE: And
since he was crowned and clothed with the glory of God, when God
came down to visit him, he could have perfect fellowship with God
because he is crowned with the substance of God. He wears the
substance of God. GLORIA: With him in the cool of the day.
BILLYE: They talk. They talk about earth. Adam had a six-day
workweek given to him to see what he could do with earth. He
named the animals when he was still walking in the glory.
GLORIA: Mm. BILLYE: But then Satan came. And probably the
saddest verse in the whole Bible is-- GLORIA: Yes. That's right.
BILLYE: --Genesis 3:8, "And they heard the voice of the Lord God
working--walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam
and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the Lord amongst
the trees of the garden. And God said, Where are you? And they
said, I hid myself, I was afraid." So the presence of God,
they no longer wore. And then God gives the promise of Jesus
coming and those things happening. Now, when this was
happening, Gloria, and when I was getting this revelation, the
Lord gave me a vision. I was getting ready to go to Sunday
school class in the morning, early one morning. I had to get
up early to get ready, you know, before the family got up. We
only had one bathroom and, you know, two girls and two boys.
GLORIA: It was very busy. BILLYE: Yeah. And so I put a
roast on. And I got up, I'm getting ready to go teach the
Sunday school class. And I hear this voice behind me. And it
says, up to the right, "Do you know Romans 3:23?" And my first
thought was, "Thank God it's one I know." I'd been raised
Baptist, and we led people to the Lord down the Roman road.
And this is one of the first steps. So I turned around, and I
quoted it to the Lord, glibly, glad by passing the test, and I
said, "For all have sinned, and come short of the--" (Gasps)
"--glory of God." And then when I heard that, when I saw that,
it was like I saw man fall from this glory down to this miry
clay. And I almost swooned and fainted. And the Lord recovered
me like a ticker tape had entered into me. "But the
captain of your salvation--" He based it, you know, on Hebrews
2:10. "The captain of your salvation is bringing many sons
to glory." So that revived me. And I saw down here Satan and
the man cowering behind me--him. And the Lord said to--it showed
me Terry, my son. He said, "I want you to look at the fall
from My point of view." GLORIA: Mm. BILLYE: I said, "I'd be glad
if You showed me." He said--He showed me Terry, my oldest son.
He was a cowboy. He rode bulls. And there he was standing in his
jeans and his shirt with a big silver buckle, real skinny and
tall. And I always would hug my kids, you know. I'm a hugging
mother. He'd sometimes say, "Ah, Mom." But he liked it. And he
said, "What if you could not hug Terry, for if you hugged Terry,
you would destroy him, you would burn him up?" And I thought,
"Well, I wouldn't be able to. I'd be like King Midas. I'd
forget and touch." You know, he forgot and told his
daughter--touched his daughter. And He said, "That was My
position in the fall." He said, "Had I clasped the natural
man--if a son falls, wants to clasp him to His bosom. But I
had--if I had clasped Adam to My bosom, I would have destroyed
him." He had become sin. GLORIA: Yeah. BILLYE: "I would have
consumed him. I would have burned him up, and with him, all
mankind. And Satan would have defeated Me because I already
had said, 'Man is going to have dominion over the work of my
hands.'" And Satan knew it. And he thought, Gloria, that he had
defeated God. I saw Satan down there, and the man was cowering
behind him. And I saw him with a man behind him. It was so dark,
and his voice was so--yaah. And he was saying to God, "What are
You going to do now? What are You going to do now? What are
You going to do now?" Because he--there was a great gulf fixed
between the light and glory where God was and the darkness
where man had become. "What are You going to do now? What are
You going to do now? What are You going to do now?" And I
was conscious that God did not answer him. And inside
God--which I didn't see God's face, but I saw like white,
which could be like billowing, could be like a robe even. And
inside that was a door. And on that door was marked, "Top
secret." GLORIA: Hmm. BILLYE: And I thought, "God doesn't have
to do anything now. He already did it." "Before the foundation
of the world, Jesus was a Lamb slain." GLORIA: Yes. That's
right. BILLYE: He already had--he knew Adam was going to
fall. GLORIA: Praise God. BILLYE: He knows everything. He
lives in eternity. It says, in Isaiah 57, "The Holy One lives
in eternity." He already knew Adam was going to fall. He
already had a plan. GLORIA: Praise God. BILLYE: Jesus,
through the Spirit, the New Testament tells us, had offered
Himself to be a sacrifice. He had offered Himself to come to
this earth and live in a body and a perfect life and be the
sacrifice for sin. And when Satan, down here, is saying,
"What are You going to do now? What are You going to do now?
What are You going to do now?" God doesn't answer him. GLORIA:
Praise God. BILLYE: And He has a secret, a mystery, that He does
not reveal. The Church is not a fulfillment of an Old Testament
prophecy. It's a secret that's revealed only in the New
Testament. Things about our Master are revealed, how He got
our healing, all the wonderful things He did, our Head. But
the Church is a divine secret, a divine mystery, and
it's only revealed in the New Testament letters. Bless
the Lord. GLORIA: Praise God. Isn't that wonderful?
Think about that. That's awesome. Billye
and I'll be right back.
