The sex-starved marriage | Michele Weiner-Davis | TEDxCU

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I want my wife to watch it but I feel like she will take it as an attack on her.

👍︎︎ 17 👤︎︎ u/stuckinarut809754 📅︎︎ Jul 26 2017 🗫︎ replies

I made my husband watch this while I sat next to him and sobbed. He shut down. Nothing changed.

👍︎︎ 9 👤︎︎ u/optimisticNIHILIST34 📅︎︎ Jul 26 2017 🗫︎ replies

my god. this video captures it all so well. I had been trying to communicate exactly this to my (now) ex-wife. I'm sure my anger and resentment were not good a good substrate for articulating what I'm asking for, and why I'm asking it. its still painful to remember being in that situation with a person I loved so much, and feeling powerless to change it.

[Cue rant] I made a lot of mistakes. and I take responsibility for them. Mistake #1 - Thinking that I could change my wife. or that I could convince her to change. or that I could even expect change. total power trip on my behalf. Mistake #2 - I felt betrayed, and I coped by first have affairs then later engaging with sexworkers.

What I should have done:

1 truly understand and internalize that I have responsibility over myself and myself alone. I cannot control other people. I should honestly and calmly assert my needs and desires, and find great ways (such as this video) to communicate them.

2 if after clearly communicating myself, my partner is incapabable or unwilling to acknowledge them, and work towards meeting them , finding common ground or finding alternatives, then the obvious conclusion is that the relationship lacks a desire to care for the other's wellbeing. in that case, no coping is necessary other then ending the relationship.

I feel guilty and ashamed of carrying on in this limbo and accepting excuses with no real remedies for so long, while also developing such a wide range of negative feelings, such as anger, resentment and depression, despair, and ennui. and then coping with these feelings without integrity.

I don't have any issues with sexwork and I'm not ashamed of engaging with sexworkers. BUT I should have ended my miserable situation earlier, one way or the other rather than let it go on for years.

if you're in a DB, share this video with your SO. you could say "Honey, I love you very much and I care about our relationship. this video captures a lot of what I'm feeling and I would be grateful if you watch it. it really means a lot to me to hear what you feel about it".

👍︎︎ 15 👤︎︎ u/swissguy79 📅︎︎ Jul 26 2017 🗫︎ replies

"my (now) ex wife"

that would solve 90% of the problems here

👍︎︎ 11 👤︎︎ u/tonymaric 📅︎︎ Jul 26 2017 🗫︎ replies

I showed this to my SO and she just got really really mad and then called it a fake video. She said because it's TedX that it's pseudo science.

👍︎︎ 5 👤︎︎ u/noobofreddits 📅︎︎ Jul 26 2017 🗫︎ replies

Good video. It hits home. The real question is, will the person who needs to learn from it and not just relate to it give a shit?

👍︎︎ 3 👤︎︎ u/rhynoplaz 📅︎︎ Jul 26 2017 🗫︎ replies

Watched this video about six month ago. Trying to educate myself. Wife found some of my Google searches on DBs and got upset, went for a walk with me after our Valentine's dinner and blamed EVERYTHING on me. I was so astounded I just listened and said nothing.

Have incrementally done a lot to change for my family since then and she has done a little, but still a DB. Good video for me, would mean nothing to her.

👍︎︎ 4 👤︎︎ u/W8stedYouth 📅︎︎ Jul 26 2017 🗫︎ replies

I loved the video. I was the spouse with the higher desire, so I thought, he thought I was low desire (can't fathom it since I initiate our sex 100%). Hardest part for me to get over was feeling controlled by him. I gave him power he didnt necessarily have. I assumed he controlled whether or not I could be happy, was desirable, felt connected or fulfilled. In truth his behavior influenced how I felt and I blamed him for it. Then when he would initiate something after I completely stopped initiating I returned the rejection out of anger and hurt. Terrible spiral. I wish we could find someone to help us communicate like this. I don't want to loose my marriage over something that can be changed. It'd feel like a waste...It'd be something I'd always regret. Just wish communication was easier.

👍︎︎ 3 👤︎︎ u/[deleted] 📅︎︎ Jul 26 2017 🗫︎ replies

It's nice that it's coming from a woman. It's like, "say it again!" "Sex is not just scratching an itch, it's a deep and meaningful way to connect and feel connected to ..." "OMG, yes! Yes! YES!" (lights up cigarette)

I guess that's why rejection hurts so much from the people you're trying to connect with and feel connected with. You want to put what's important to them ahead of what's important to you. You expect them to do the same. You crave for them to do the same. You at least want to see that they naturally desire to do the same. And when you don't see that, it hurts. It's objective evidence that the person you're willing to put first isn't willing to put you first. It forces you to confront the question, what kind of relationship is that?

I read somewhere online a while ago that if men were turned on by women rubbing strawberry jelly over their head, there would be hoards of women rubbing jelly all over their head ... and most single women would be fundamentally opposed to rubbing strawberry jelly all over their head ... "Do you know how hard it is to wash off your hair?"

Looking at this video, it just gave that example of analogy a completely different meaning. If the thought of washing the jelly off of her hair takes a higher, overriding and cost trolling priority over the thought of how much pleasure it would bring you, then your partner doesn't really love you ... you're just roommates sharing living expenses, household work and raising children together.

There was another short story I read about a woman who asked her husband for some money so she could buy a hair brush to brush her long hair. The man was poor and said he was saving to fix his watch, and told his wife he would see what they could do. The husband went to the watch store that day, but not to fix his watch, but to sell it. With the money he had, he came home with a new hairbrush. His wife, however, had cut her hair. The husband asked, "Why did you cut it?" The wife said, "I decided to sell it, and I got you a new band for your watch." The wife said, "Don't you want to see if it fits your wat- what happened to your watch?" The husband said, "I sold it, so I can get you a hair brush."

I don't understand why we are all capable of understanding that this is what love is with non-sexual examples, but as soon as anyone talks about "sex," all of a sudden sex corrupts the conversation, those thoughts and ideas are demonized, and it "has nothing to do with love" but "it's just about sex."

👍︎︎ 3 👤︎︎ u/briantriscoli 📅︎︎ Jul 27 2017 🗫︎ replies
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Translator: TED Translators admin Reviewer: Peter van de Ven I'm going to talk to you about sex. To be more precise, the sex-starved marriage. When I'm done, you'll know three things that you can do to prevent it from happening in your life. So first I'd like to tell you a story. For the last three decades, I've been specializing in work with 911 couples, couples who are truly teetering on the brink of divorce. I resuscitate flat-line relationships. I try to teach couples what they need to know to resolve their differences and fall back in love, and put their kids in bed at night together. It's not an easy job, but I didn't choose my career, my career chose me. You see, I grew up in an incredible family. Two loving parents who never fought, two great brothers, a large extended family with whom we spent every weekend and all of our holidays. Until one fateful day, I was 16 years old and a senior in high school and my mom called us all in for a family meeting, and she proceeded to tell us that she'd been miserable for 23 years in her marriage and she was getting a divorce from my father. No one saw it coming. I told you, my parents never fought. I remember the feeling of blood rushing from my body, thinking, "How can this be happening? I'm leaving home, and my nest is falling apart." And that's precisely what happened. Divorce not only ends a marriage, it dissolves a family. The sadness about the break up of my family still lingers today. That's because divorce is forever. Now, my parents' divorce affected me in a number of ways. First, it made me incredibly impassioned about learning everything I possibly could about how to have a healthy, loving, lasting relationship, so I could apply it in my own life with my own family, and my own marriage. And I'm very proud to say that one of my biggest accomplishments is my nearly 40-year marriage to my husband, Jim. And if you knew him, you'd know what an accomplishment this really is. (Laughter) The other thing the divorce made me do, is be incredibly impassioned about teaching what I know to anyone who crosses my path. Now when I say that, I really mean that. I'm not just talking about the couples in my practice. I do some of my best work on airplanes, or online at Whole Foods, or as a matter of fact, that's why I'm here right now. I want to warn you about the inevitable pitfalls of a sex-starved marriage. But what is that? A sex-starved marriage is one where one spouse is desperately longing for more touch, more physical closeness, more sex, more physical affection, and the other spouse is thinking, "What is the big deal? Would you just get a life, it's just sex." But to the spouse yearning for more sex and more touch, it's a huge deal, because it really is about feeling wanted, about feeling loved, feeling connected, about feeling masculine, or feminine and attractive. When this major disconnect happens, what also happens is that intimacy on all levels goes right out the door. They stop sitting next to each other on the couch. They quit laughing at each others' jokes. They don't spend time together. They stop being friends. And it places the marriage at risk of infidelity and divorce. Some of the reasons that people have low desire or an insatiable appetite for sex, are very complicated and deep-seated. But I'm happy to tell you that the primary cause for a sex-starved marriage is also the simplest to solve. And before I explain that solution, I really want to go on record for saying that if you're sitting here, thinking low sexual desire is a women's issue, I want you to think again. Women do not have a corner on the low libido market. I'm convinced that low desire in men is one of our very best-kept secrets. Having said that, I want to also tell you about a little talked about fact, that in a sex-starved marriage, the person with the lower sex drive controls the sexual relationship. When I say that, I don't mean that this person is intentionally mean-spirited, or unkind, or manipulative. I just mean, if that person isn't interested in sex, the partner may as well go take a cold shower, because it's not going to happen. I find this really curious on a couple of counts, because when we think about how decisions are made in marriage, we generally think about mutuality: two people decide when to get married, whether to have kids, have to raise those kids, what to do about finances, the in-laws, who is going to do what around the house, but conspicuously missing from that mix is anything having to do with sex. What's it like, the nature, the quality, the quantity. I find this incredible. I know couples who have been married for 20 to 30 years who have never spoken about sex. The other thing that really amazes me, about this unilateral decision making, is one person decides "no sex", and expects the partner to accept it, not complain about it, and oh yes, you have to be monogamous. This is an unworkable arrangement. Let me tell you about a couple in my practice. Meet John and Mary. They've been married for 15 years. John's a real laid back kind of guy, he doesn't like to complain about much, except in the last 15 minutes of my session with him, he finally gets up the courage to tell me about something that had been bothering him for a long, long time: that there really is only a two-hour window of opportunity, on Friday nights between 10 and 12, where Mary might be interested in sex, and he knows not to bother her at any other time. Like you laughing, I glanced over at Mary, and Mary was chuckling, because she recognized herself in that description. John wasn't laughing. He wasn't smiling. So I said to him, "John, what's this been like for you?" And he said to me, "I want to talk to Mary." He turned to her, took a deep breath. He said, "When I reach out to you in bed, and you're not there for me, the only thing I ever think about is: Are you attracted to me anymore? Do you love me like I love you? Do you want to be with me? And then when you go to sleep, and I'm lying next to you and staring up at the ceiling, all I can think about is: this is the loneliest feeling in the world lying next to you in bed." To Mary's credit, her eyes filled up with tears, and she reached out and grabbed John's hands. She said, "John, I have to tell you, in all the years we've been married, I never, not once, thought about what it's like to be you. I only think about, am I in the mood? Am I not in the mood?' I'm so, so sorry. I'll do better." John began to cry. I began to cry. For me, it was a magical moment. Because it was the first time in the history of their marriage that Mary was stretching outside her comfort zone to try to understand John's pain, his loneliness, his alienation, his need to connect with her. And she promised she would do better. It was the beginning of a breakthrough for them. Unfortunately, for so many couples, it doesn't work that way. In fact, very often, the very thing that couples do to deal with a sex-starved marriage actually makes things worse. Let me give you an example. So he says: "Honey, do you want to put the kids to bed early, have a glass of wine and fool around?" And she says: "I have so much on my mind, I'm not relaxed, and I have a headache." "You were the one to tell me last week that women are great multi taskers. Can't you have a headache and sex at the same time?" (Laughter) "I don't think you're funny. Furthermore, what part of 'no' don't you get?" "I'm not trying to be funny. I'm furious. We haven't had sex in six weeks. I hate this relationship. It's just not working." "You raise your voice, and you talk to me like that, and then you expect me to want to touch you? Plus, do you realize for the last two or three weeks you haven't been home at all? And when you are home, you don't talk to me, we don't do things together, you're angry, and you're withdrawn. I am not going to have sex with you like that." "I don't want to talk to you anymore. I'm out of here." What's going on here? I'll tell you what's going on. In the early stages of dealing with a sex-starved marriage, the person with higher desire usually approaches his or her spouse with open-heartedness and vulnerability, saying things like, "I miss you. I want to have sex with you," but when the pleas for connection are met with unresponsiveness, as they often are, that vulnerability quickly turns into anger and contempt. Anger is not an aphrodisiac. Anger leads to sexual withdrawal. Sexual withdrawal leads to heightened anger. Heightened anger leads to sexual anorexia. And on and on. And then both people wait for the other person to change. That's how marriages go down the drain. So what are they supposed to do? Well, here's what they're supposed to do. He needs to get a grip on his anger, regardless of whether he feels short-changed or not. And he needs to spend time with her, and talk to her, be present in her life. He needs to recognize that those things will turn her on. And what does she need to do? Well, despite her feelings, she needs to adopt the Nike philosophy and just do it. (Laughter) Why? For two reasons. The first is obvious, he'll be happy. He'll be nicer, he'll be more present. Mostly, he'll be more grateful. But there's another reason. It has nothing to do with him, and it's all about her. I wish I had a dollar for each time someone in my practice said to me, "Michelle, I wasn't in the mood for sex when my partner approached me, but once we got into it, I had a really good time. I had a great orgasm. We enjoyed each other. And then afterwards, we had the best talk that we've had in months." And when I described that scenario to a couple in my practice, the husband said, "Yikes, that's my wife. I wish she would just write it on her hand, 'I like sex', so she remembers it for the next time. (Laughter) There's actually some science to this. I saw this so often in my practice that I started scouring the research, and I bumped into the work of Dr. Rosemary Basson. She took the mystery out of my observations. The human sexual response cycle is considered to have four stages. The first is desire. This means that you can be doing just about anything, taking a walk, studying for a test, preparing a meal, talking to a friend, and all of a sudden, you have this random lusty thought and you start fantasizing about sex. Second stage is arousal. You get with your partner, you get physically aroused, and you feel that sensation inside. The third stage: orgasm. Do you need an explanation? (Laughter) Fourth stage: resolution, your body goes back to its normal resting state. Well, apparently, according to Dr. Basson's research, for millions of people, stages one, desire and two, arousal are actually reversed. Their bodies have to be physically stimulated and aroused in order for their brains to register there is desire. The desire is there, but it's not the compelling force to initiate sex. If this sounds like you, or a friend of a friend, it behooves you to be receptive to your partner's advances, even from a neutral starting place, because once you get into it, you're bound to remember: "I like sex." So, here's the deal. As human beings, we are hard-wired for connection. We are learning through groundbreaking research in social neuroscience that our need to connect with people we love is more fundamental and more basic than our need for food and shelter. The opposite is also true: that disconnection hurts. I mean, get this. When scientists look into the functional MRIs of the brains of people who have just experienced a recent divorce or that are brokenhearted because of a breakup, the exact same regions of their brains light up as in the brains of people who are experiencing physical pain. And the same is not true for other negative emotions, like sadness, anxiety, and fear. Just for rejection, rejection is unique. Rejection hurts. So when your partner comes over to you and says, "I'm looking at this amazing sunset, and I want to share it with you," or "I just read this incredible article, and I want you to read it," or "Can we just turn off our cell phones on Friday nights so we can spend some time together uninterrupted?" or "We haven't made love for a while, I'd love to snuggle in bed and make love to you," if we're not interested, if we're not in the mood, rejection hurts. So what are we supposed to do? Well, here are those three lessons I promised in the beginning of my talk. Number one. We all have different ways of feeling connected to one another. We need to know our way, but we have to become experts in our partner's way of feeling connected to us. Number two. If you're with someone who's yearning for more touch, more physical closeness, and more sex, don't delude yourself into thinking, "it's just sex, like scratching an itch." Sex is a powerful way of connecting and bonding with somebody you love. And number three, when you get your partner's way of connecting to you, you don't have to fully understand it, you don't have to fully agree with it, you just have to do it. And you want to know why? Two reasons. From everything I've learned about relationships, healthy relationships are based on mutual caretaking. Plus, it's an act of love. I know that what I'm asking you to do is really challenging because I'm asking you to put some one else's needs above your own. But I truly believe that if more of us took to heart the very crucial idea that we have to take better care of each other, and that we don't have to be slaves to our own emotions, then we can make this world a more loving place, one marriage, one relationship at a time. People tell me I'm a psychotic optimist. But I tell them, "That's OK. It's a communicable disease." Thank you. (Applause)
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Channel: TEDx Talks
Views: 6,904,956
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Keywords: tedx talks, ted talks, Relationships, Wedding, ted x, TEDxCU, ted, United States Of America (Country), ted talk, Marriage (Marriage/union Type), CU, English Language (Human Language), tedx talk, Divorce Busting, Boulder, Michele Weiner-Davis, Sex, tedx, TEDx
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Length: 17min 35sec (1055 seconds)
Published: Tue Apr 29 2014
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