THE IMAGINATION with CHRISTOPHER CARTER

there we go so father we thank you so much for this opportunity and um we thank you lord for christopher carter we thank you that everyone is here and um we turn our full intention towards you father we thank you for the angels that you've assigned today and we thank you that we truly have come to know zion um thank you lord for everything so um let me see so what just a bit of this so as i said before some of you might not understand the word trading um you could say offering trading we're not going to explanations for that we just give in to christopher carter um because um what he's sharing here is very very precious very valuable and it's um it's amazing that he agreed to come on our little private meeting on sundays to teach us um as most of you know there's been a lot of questions in all of our minds i would say about imagination and even though we may have known it or engaged in the imagination with ascension and things like that um there's so much more to learn about that and christopher carter has had years and years and years of experience in this area and so i think he is the right person to teach us to help us with this now i'm going back to giving offering trading paypal dot me slash discover the heavens christopher never asked for anything he was happily willing to say yes he will he will um come and teach us but it's really really amazing to be able to trade into what he's doing here today okay so um so there you have it when you're ready you could copy and paste that and if you're able to give do so um at the end of this as we said before we'll be having communion and um i think that's it did i forget anything donna that i should say or not say oh yeah i remember so as i said before um offer card we will not be asking questions here today the questions have already been given to christopher carter so we're gonna enjoy listening to him jason right i don't know if you guys received that notification or you didn't check it yeah but um he has already received the questions and he has kindly offered that if we do have more questions after this session then he could possibly come back another sunday so that's amazing everybody good with that say yay yay okay so let's go over to you christopher carter welcome welcome welcome and thank you so very much oh thank you all of you uh it's wonderful to get to hang out with you this sunday afternoon for me um i want you to know i would do just about anything that elizabeth asked me to so uh she may not know this but she can pretty much just say christopher will you jump on a zoom call and i'm going to say yes uh so she really gets a she gets the the inroad to anything that she wants and uh that's just my that's my stance with elizabeth so it is not a big deal for me to be here with you all on a sunday i'm very privileged to do that um i do have a list of questions i want to encourage you uh you know you know how to use the chat box i'm sure so while i'll keep to this list of questions today it might help that from time to time if you need a clarification about something so if i'm on the topic and you you know maybe don't introduce a new topic but if there's still something you need me to add to it use the chat box for that you can always be interactive with me um even just to say hello um i'll also say use the chat box too i'm trying something very different out with the internet today i um as many of you probably know i do a lot of zoom calls and i do a lot of zoom stuff for my for the online classes that i teach and we have had a time lately uh with the internet so i i was freezing up a lot uh i would always say my connection is unstable i have hardlined the internet into this computer today so uh everything should go well if it doesn't i really need to know because then i have to diagnose the problem so you can help me by letting me know for some reason i like freeze up and stop talking i need to know that and you could put that in the chat box that would be a big help too i'm going to tell you just a quick story or two before i get into the questions because i think it'll set the stage well um as any of you that have heard my story at all or uh and you know some of your faces are very familiar so i know i've met uh some of you uh so i'm i i got into this not meaning to uh i had no idea that this was going to be a part of my life and i've been doing this for 10 years and to this day i have to pinch myself uh and to to remind myself that i i just have i'm amazed at this access that god's given us into the heavens and i'm sure that there's a really good reason why at this point in in the human story god said okay this is going to be available for everybody but i stumbled into this without meaning to i was trying to learn how to do some inner healing type prayer i was learning that as a skill and i you know arranged the session three hours later i'd had this inaugural experience in the heavens that to this day if anybody asks me what i do and i don't want to freak him out that much i just kind of say you know what john did in revelation where he knew he was on the isle of patmos but he also knew that he was in the spirit and he started seeing things that were going on in heaven that's all i'm doing i'm very aware that i'm here in my mortal body but i'm also aware that i'm somewhere else and the surprise that i tell people is i just never thought that that was for everyone i just assumed that was just for john i never would have thought in a million years that was for uh every yahoo on the planet that wanted to give it a try but that it really was something that's available for everybody now i've got it i have to pause for just one second give me just one quick little moment here gonna mute my mind that's okay i love how everybody just went radio silent oh my goodness so christopher said something it's something for every yahoo on the planet do you think it's for google as well oh goodness i came back right at the right time to hear that hey listen thank you for letting me do that i um my wife is at a women's retreat and so i was managing a few other things here at the house other than this so give me grace if i have to get up one more time you'll know why it's um i'm doing multiple jobs and sometimes my gender is not the best at multitasking but i'm going to give it i'm going to give it my best for all of you anyway to pick that back up i'm getting some applause there that's great i stumbled into this not knowing uh even that it was available certainly shocked that it was available for all of us i knew that that was the case because i knew i had not done anything special to make this happen so i really need you to understand this part of my story it's probably the part that i am most excited about when this happened to me i did not have it all together i was i had not finished up a 40-day fast and this was like day 39 of the 40-day fast i had not just been to israel i'm not the 17th pastor in a gender in 17 generations of pastors and to my knowledge there's not one there's nothing that anyone could point at and say this is why the lord did this like it's because he did this or it's because he was doing this when this happened to me a decade ago and it seems like at this point it seems like a hundred years ago because so much has changed in that short amount of time but you can't even look at my life then and go it's because he was a devout follower of the lord i was saying yes to god i definitely wanted to see god's power i definitely wanted to see how far you could go just saying yes to the lord that was true but there's not a lot about my life that was in the right kind of shape i mean when this happened i was a pornography addicted trying to minister failing often i mean like it was just it it was a dumpster fire it was a holy dumpster fire but that's true of everybody's life if we look at any of your lives close enough there is some part of it that will look like someone has set a dumpster on fire that's all of us we're all in the same boat it's all a holy mess but it's a mess no different with me i had to learn that none of this happened because i deserved it and that was a beautiful truth to apprehend i remember a few weeks into this sitting on the couch using the eyes of my heart the eyes of my imagination to experience the heavens i'm just i'm just learning how to do this i see jesus sitting next to me on the couch and i look at him and i'm like lord there is nothing that i could say that makes me a good candidate for this like clearly this must be available for everyone and i remember like to this day here we are 10 years later he turns and looks at me and he goes christopher if that's true then you will not be special because of this he said you will only be special because i love you and i took that deal i was like fine i'm in there's no way i'm gonna meet you and have to look you in the face and you go so what did you do with that thing that i gave you so freely and me have to go not much i kept it to myself because i didn't think everyone would believe me or not much i actually thought that i had earned it somehow or not much i was kind of afraid of how much would go wrong if we gave this license to everybody and so like none of those excuses came to mind i really just thought is worth it it's changed my life it's the biggest revolution of my life it continues to be to this day so there was no way we were going to keep it a secret now in the in the midst of all of this kind of discovering this access i'll tell you for the first i don't know a couple months this was the easiest thing that i had ever done in my life i mean i would close these eyes open the eyes of my heart i would be in some heavenly throne room talking to the lord it was it was so easy it was effortless and it was almost like that kind of classic like honeymoon picture of something where there's just no problems it's going great and then it bogged down really hard for about i don't know two three four five six months i can't remember how long it was but long enough for me to really notice why is this so difficult when i had my first trip into the heavens that first inaugural visit the lord gave me a promise he said christopher as often as you want to come here and walk and talk with me you can and i took him up on that so i knew it was never going to fail but there were times when i was so kind of jacked up in the process that it would i mean i prayed for four hours one day to glimpse like five minutes in the heavens just because i did not want that promise to not be true so there was tension after that that easy period was over but it was in those months of tension that i learned all of the techniques and really all of the lessons that for the most part i'm going to be giving to you today it was hard for a season because that season taught me that i was the one that was making it hard that there was there was nothing difficult about experiencing the heaven the heavens and the spirit using the eyes of my imagination it was in fact the mechanism itself is so easy now i would argue to anyone that i've talked to this is one of the easiest things you'll ever do however the discipline to keep doing it in a world and in a culture in a system that is constantly bidding us to look down instead of up dimensionally that's where the struggle is the mechanism of experiencing the heavens one of the easiest things you'll ever do the discipline to do what paul said when he said fix your eyes not on what you can see but on what's unseen because what's seen is temporary but what's unseen is eternal that discipline that's incredibly hard in this day and age especially because we're going to say words like imagination imagination is is a difficult word in this day and age we're going to talk about it in just a minute before i get to your questions so the you're always going to feel doing this like you're like the salmon that's swimming upstream like the current is going this way and you're going the opposite direction you know the culture current is definitely going down down down down down and here you are swimming against the current and i would even argue these days uh with the world being in the state that it's in it feels like everything is going like this everything that can be shaken is being shaken so when a very peculiar group of people their response to that is you know what we should do we should use our imagination more well everybody around you is going to be like what a silly use of your time in days like today i mean like are you kidding like grab on to some political messages or grab onto this or grab onto that it's always going to be this horizontal focus like grab on to something that you can see here but it's a very peculiar group of people that goes the solution to my day and age the solution to my culture is for me to have a heavenly perspective for me to look vertically so that i can figure out what in the world i'm supposed to bring down anyway i think if we just look horizontal we never really know what it is that we're supposed to change in this world to make it more like the garden of eden but when we use that access to look into the heavens we suddenly find out what it is in this new jerusalem-like city that john says is coming down out of heaven and you start to see what it is you're supposed to be bringing down out of heaven and it almost always is not going to fit with the status quo of our culture and its themes now a note about the imagination before we go to your question uh i love this word and i do nerd out over words so many of you uh maybe have been on a zoom or something i have nerd moments all the time and i really have nerd moments about words i think words are so significant to life i think there's a reason why creation is spoken into existence and i think we've lost a lot of how special words really are imagination as a word is a super special word and oftentimes when i'm if i'm doing a conference and i go all right listen if we're going to use the eyes of your heart we have to use your imagination and it's like the first hurdle everybody's got to get over they have a little hiccup there imagination that's just make believer that's just flights of fancy and i go yeah there's a definition of imagination that is make believe are flights of fancy but that's not all the word originally meant now the the news flash for most people maybe some of you might have heard me talk about this before but the news flash for most people is that the word imagination is very young it's not an old word at all and if you're like i didn't know words did that they do words i sometimes come out of nowhere and oftentimes they there may have been a word before but it's described new meaning as as culture and time move on so anyway the imagination as a word did not exist when paul wrote the book of ephesians there is no dictionary whether it's in hebrew or greek he cannot open a dictionary in his time if he even had access to one where there is an entry for the word imagination because the word wasn't there it just didn't exist the best he had to describe our internal ability to see things that and sense them that wasn't necessarily in this mortal realm although it could be his word for that was eyes of your heart so when paul writes ephesians chapter 1 and he says i pray that the eyes of your heart would be illuminated enlightened of course the song opened open the eyes of my heart all of that's coming from this this phrase eyes of the heart it's the best he's got there is no dictionary where he can go i think you should open the eyes of your imagination but i'll go out on a limb and i'll i'm sure jesus will judge me for it if i'm wrong but he loves me so it'll be okay but i'll go out on a limb and say that if paul had been writing that today he probably would have said i pray that the eyes of your imagination would be enlightened or opened or illuminated whatever the translation would read now this word and it really doesn't even appear on the scene until about a thousand years ago it took a while for humanity to come up with this idea and part of that was because the source for divine creative ability for the longest of times was outside of us so when we looked at someone and it looked like they were participating with the divine creative energy of god we would call that inspiration and that is what it sounds like in spirited for a spirit that's outside of you somewhere out here to come inside of you and make you capable of doing some cool stuff to to take part in this divine creative force and oftentimes we would say that person is genius and that comes from the word genie which is spirit so it's the same idea again this idea of genius is that a genie a spirit has come in and somehow you're participating with this divine creative force that was the term even in the old testament when someone does really cool stuff we would say and the spirit of the lord came upon them remember it's an outside spirit it came upon elijah or it came upon saul and he started to prophesy now acts chapter 2 changes everything because on the day of pentecost when they're in the upper room the holy spirit comes into the believers and then in a moment of total cosmic scandal the holy spirit remains and doesn't leave and that changes everything because now the source for the for this divine creative energy isn't outside of us it's inside so it's not an outside genie it's not an outside spirit even if it was the holy spirit thank god it's no longer out here the force of that is residing internally it takes humanity quite a bit of time to come up with a concept to describe what it's like when the genius of mankind isn't coming outside in but is coming inside out and the word that finally picks up this definition is imagination this term that implies inside you is a source of divine creative energy now that's all fun right unfortunately it's not the end of the story there's it takes a turn for the worst it takes a turn 400 years ago we all went through a process 400 years ago humanity as a whole goes through something called the scientific revolution and in short the scientific revolut revolution said if we can answer seemingly without error if we can predict the behavior of the natural phenomenon of creation of all the trees and the waters and the eclipses if we can predict the behavior of those things without error that's all the truth there is to know there's no more spiritual answers for any question you might have and that happened 400 years ago and that changed everything much like acts chapter 2 did in fact historians have said that the scientific revolution is the greatest shift in human consciousness since the advent of jesus so it's a big deal that no one talks about no one teaches you in church no one teaches you in school no one teaches you anywhere because it honestly it's been hidden it's been suppressed because no one wants to shake what's going on here soapbox moment real quick it happens in school so terribly because we tolerate the imagination when you're under five years old and we tolerate it when you're older than 75 but in all of the years in between all the world system wants you to do is be a consumer it doesn't want you to create and for that reason the imagination is a giant threat to the world system because it is the divine creative force coming from within so i i mean i i taught school i taught uh high school science and fit in philosophy and oftentimes my students would get so upset about grades and i would be like well what's the problem like you know we're talking they're upset because they got a b and they wanted an a and like a b is good i mean like it means you did a great job you know you didn't get perfect but you did good and they'd be like no mr carter it's not enough i'm like why they're like well if i don't get good grades and if i don't do good on this test then i'm not going to get into college and i was like well why do you want to get into a good college and they're like well because i want a good job and i go why do you want a good job they go well because i want to make money and i go why do you want to make money and then that's where their brain goes bloop and then they've lost the stream after they don't know and i and i fill in the blank for them i go so that you can buy stuff and they're like uh yeah and i said great they've got you they've totally got you whipped they have you exactly where they want you because you believe your life's purpose is to be a consumer god believes your life purpose is to be a creator a co-creator in christ and that takes the imagination to do that this divine creative energy now do i tell them to just blow off the tests and the school and everything no of course not i just tell them listen if you're going to play the game know that you're playing a game and don't lose who you are in the process and if you don't want to play the game don't play it and figure out where god's taking you but just know what you would know what you're doing you know so sip a t hang on scientific revolution takes hold science wins everything in one culture and eventually it won the whole world everybody bought into the scientific revolution and science got to dictate to the world what was important and what wasn't important so science essentially said the mechanical nature of the universe and our ability to control this machine is what matters the most all you poets all you philosophers all you spiritual people all all of you just sit in the back like do your artsy stuff we don't really care but if you ever want to sit at the big kids table you better know some math and some engineering you need to know how to work stuff and that became what mattered so science got to take the two definitions of imagination because there is a definition that is flights of fancy and that's been around since we knew the word everybody knows it's possible to be driving down the road and out of nowhere you're remembering a conversation from earlier in the day and it's not spiritual flights of fancy everybody knows that that's there science got to say that is the only word tree of the of imagination that matters so science said imagination is only fights of fancy and this idea that it's the divine creative force inside you that's just superstition that doesn't matter and they changed our understanding of the word to this day there was always a rebellion though there was always a group of people that knew what was going on and they wouldn't stand for it now oftentimes they were not in church because the church bought the scientific revolution too so they were renegade poets they were rebel philosopher they were rebel spiritual people that were oftentimes christian but totally rejected by the church at large this is william blake i would argue emerson is a christian even if he wouldn't say he is so there's so many people like this that rebelled with their words and said this is not the case so there's wonderful quotes from people like the poet john keats who said that the imagination is a path to truth an actual path to truth it's real there's people like owen barfield who's the one that brought c.s lewis to his christian faith that said this next great shift in human consciousness would be made possible by a systematic use of the imagination well i read that i kid you not five at least five could have been six five years after i had been doing this in the heavens and when i read those words i realized about a hundred years ago someone already prophesied what was happening that this next great shift in human consciousness would be made possible by a systematic use of the imagination the as hard as it is for us to to kind of wrap our our minds around this tool that god gave us despite whatever else we have used it for and we have all used it for a lot but for whatever else you've used it for this is why god gave it is so that you could take what paul called the eyes of your heart and opened them so that you could do exactly what john was doing in the book of revelation there's there's so much more we could say scripturally about this but because it's 338 i think i should get to your questions and again if there's more to say down the road elizabeth we'll we'll we'll schedule something else okay shall we shall we go all right a lot of your questions that i read when i perused the sheet a lot of them were kind of um working around the issues of how can i trust it and how do i know it's good and these are great questions there's i i say this a lot when we're teaching people is that if you can imagine that no pun intended if you can imagine there is this narrow road of discovery there are two ditches on either side of this narrow road of discovery the ditch on this side i would call the religious spirit and the religious spirit is uncomfortable with doing anything like this because the religious spirit spirit is more worried about going to hell than it is about your potential to access heaven so i like to sum up the religious spirit this way if you're more worried or you're more afraid of getting it wrong then you're excited about getting it right that's the religious spirit in a nutshell if you're more scared of getting it wrong then you're excited about getting it right that's how you know that spirit is present if you're a human being you have some of that in you so there's i'm so sorry none of us have graduated completely out of the religious spirit yet all of us struggle so don't feel bad because you've i'm sure you've had those feelings that's one ditch now that ditch is going to say don't even try it because you're going to get it wrong and then god's going to send you to hell that's the that's it that's this one ditch right here don't even attempt it you will screw this up okay now narrow out of discovery that's one ditch the other ditch over here is everything i experience is a 100 accurate therefore i never need to test and approve anything and i never need community around me to tell me if the fruit of my life matches what i'm saying so this ditch over here is almost a lawless isn't the word because i don't i'm not even sure if i like the word law but it's almost um it lacks an anchor it lacks any sense of you need other things than just you you know so this one over here this ditch happens all of the time in charismatic christianity because a lot of charismatic people believe that they've had 35 new revelations before they finish their breakfast and i know that because i've traveled around a lot and i've met a bunch of people in this journey and i'm telling you i i meet people and i i get it i mean it's like you're in the heavens and you're like you know jesus told me 35 brand new things today and i'm like you know he probably did but the fact is 34.5 of those things that you heard before breakfast he had already said and probably already said to someone around you you know the 0.5 that you got might have been fresh but truth be told most of what he told you you're probably like a hundred or a thousand or two thousand years late on getting that revelation because he said it already i'm telling you every time that i think that i'm clever just a little clever it just happens without fail i'll pick up a book that i feel like the holy spirit has directed me to read it's one of my favorite games in the library holy spirit what book do you want me to read and i'll pick up a book i picked up one a few years ago ago called the heart of celtic chris no what was it called the voice of the eagle the heart of celtic christianity i just read the introduction and i realized that all of the things that i thought were original i was not just not original about but i was 1200 years late on and that's a wonderful experience to have because you feel like you've got an anchor so most of your questions are designed around how do i stay on the narrow path of discovery and not end up in this ditch or in this ditch so reading the questions that came in that's the overarching theme and i love that i encourage you to stick with that theme and you can't go wrong you keep testing the fruit and you can't go wrong okay here we go question number one let me read it here is the mind and the imagination the same and can't the imagination be affected by the subconscious and i would expand this question to say is the mind and the imagination the same and can't the imagination be affected by any part of you like including the health of your physical body so i don't know if anyone's ever tried to use the eyes of their heart the eyes of their imagination when they're tired but it doesn't go as well so there's so much that can affect the imagination uh you're if you just got cussed out by someone that you really dearly love when you go use the eyes of your heart you know the minute after you are going it's going to affect what you do okay now the question is is that bad all right let's deal with the first part though first before i get ahead of myself is the mind and the imagination the same thing the short answer is i don't know and i'm going to be very easy telling you the things i don't know because there's a lot there is a wonderful discussion going on right now about is the imagination a function of the holy spirit and did mankind have a fully functioning imagination before the holy spirit was poured out on all flesh now we read the story in acts chapter 2 all right but it's in the prophets that the holy spirit was poured out on everything every all flesh everybody and who knows what else but the holy spirit was poured out whether or not people participate with the holy spirit is a different question and this happens all the time christ died for mankind everyone is already forgiven through the cross whether or not they participate with that forgiveness is is up to them right it doesn't eliminate their choice in the way that god has already done it for everybody so the spirit was poured out on all flesh it's a wonderful debate and no one really knows so it's a big question without a solid answer anybody would tell you they know for sure i think is lying there's just or you know you know what i mean maybe if they don't mean to but we just aren't sure we're not sure about if it's a function of the holy spirit did we get a fully functioning imagination about 2 000 years ago and is that why so much has changed in the last 2000 years because something came into us and was interwoven with us so perfectly that it can't be separated from us the holy spirit is in you so it's so intertwined you cannot separate yourself from the holy spirit it has become a part of you so it's difficult to say is it just a function of our intellect will and emotions or is it function of the spirit my personal uh belief for today could change tomorrow is that it's actually working with both i believe with all of my heart that to be made in god's image to be uh fully christened to be made in you know to when john says when we see him christ we will be like him because we see him as he is i believe with all of my heart that the resurrected jesus could trust his own will as much as he trusted the holy spirit i believe he could trust his own emotions as much as he trusted the holy spirit and i believe he could trust his intellect as much as we would think he trusted the holy spirit i believe that that's him in his resurrected form and if that's the direction we're going his intention is to sanctify all those parts of us so it wouldn't surprise me at all if our intellect our will and our emotions and this weird connection we have through the spirit to things that are unseen if all of that works together in a way that if you took one part away it actually wouldn't work okay so if we took our intellect will and emotions away could you use your imagination no because it's internal not external before did you need an intellect will and emotions to be inspired no you didn't because you could just be walking along one day and bam a spirit hits you and all of a sudden you're prophesying or out running a chariot or doing whatever it is the crazy stuff people did you were a genius because a genie came in or something like that you know you didn't need a will you didn't need an intellect to understand it you didn't need emotions to process what happened but we do today and the imagination works with that because it's an internal source of divine creative force not an external one i hope that makes that question as clear as mud because that's about how it is for everyone else that thinks about it so right on all right uh so can the imagination be affected by the subconscious yes and the conscious yes and the body everything can affect the imagination that should not scare us away if anything else it should make us understand how big the holy spirit is because in my worst moments i mean worst moments i've had the eyes of my heart working and i've been in the heavens and god has used that opportunity to completely change something and i and i was not in a place where you would have thought well this is a great moment for him so i mean you can have the most tired moment and it's not working well but you do it and you've disciplined yourself to do it and all of a sudden something awesome happens so yes it can affect um it's just part of being human so won't and it's number two won't an unhealed imagination see pictures or visions falsely or filters through its unhealedness it is certainly possible that's also true again none of my answers are going to make you feel really good today because none of it is risk-free again there's two ditches this ditch over here won't do anything if there's risk involved this one over here thinks risk is nothing to ever be considered so what's the problem both of them are wrong they're both extremes we're looking for this narrow road of discovery so i've i've seen people here's a good example i'll tell you a story about a guy who was not a believer but was in a conference so we were there we had people broken up into groups they're all experiencing heaven in the spirit for the first time this guy got dragged to this by his girlfriend now he's jewish not a believer okay so and this happens sometimes people get dragged to these things they don't know what they're doing so this guy's there we're asking him what he's seeing i don't even know that that's his story i find out this later okay he tells me that he's in this like dark desert like it looks like it's just shades of gray the sky's gray gray cracked dry ground and there's this giant rock in front of him covered in blood this man is not a believer okay and i'm listening to him i'm like well you know jesus said he was the rock like is that what's going on here so we're you know we're prompting okay why don't you ask the lord where he is in the picture so then he sees jesus jesus is standing on the rock covered in blood jesus looks at this man and he's repeating this to us and and looks at him and says i don't know you and walks away now don't you wish this story ended with this guy receiving the lord because that might be slightly scary no it didn't in that way at all this man walked away from that weekend conference satisfied with that experience which is probably a good indication that jesus doesn't know him because he can see him and see the image of a rock covered in blood and still be of a completely depraved and unregenerated mind that's an unhealed imagination but still working to see the truth now if that guy left the safety of that environment where people are there we're kind of shepherding what's going on and he goes home and uses his imagination on his own do i have any guarantees that it's going to go well no i don't for a case in point here someone once asked me what's the difference between what you do and when the new agers astral project and i really uh messed the person up when i said there is no difference at all so they were like you're not supposed to say that i was like but it's true the only difference is you being a spirit-filled follower of christ you have a safety net that that new age person doesn't have there's only so far up they're going to go most of them are going to be just a few realms up here and it's going to be a real hodgepodge of holy and unholy stuff that they're going to see you because you are a spirit-filled follower of christ are able to go right into the throne room of god approach the throne of grace with confidence and he's going to look at you and instead of asking why are you here he's going to be like what took you so long we've been waiting for you to come up here you know so it's not a case of uh you know like can you do it with an unhealed mind yeah people do it all the time and do i think they get some stuff right of course they do i've never i've never in my life seen someone who wasn't spirit-filled who wasn't uh a follower of christ but they called out to god i've never i've never seen god go i'm not gonna talk to him they don't go to church i've never seen that happen he's always he's going to talk to people who are listening and for people who are calling out this question comes up all the time with new agers when folks are like you know they're talking to michael like the archangel all the time and i'm like yeah and people go well is it michael or is it the devil masquerading as an angel of light i was like it's probably michael and again they're like that's not what you're supposed to say and i'm like well then tell me who else is asking to talk to the archangel are you doing it is are churches around the world asking to speak to the archangel michael and the answer is no they're not no one thinks they're allowed so do you think michael is in heaven and this group of new agers is like we should talk to michael and he's like man i wish i could go talk to them and let them experience a heavenly reality but they do not go to church and so i can't do it my hands are tied you know that's not how this stuff works heaven is going to talk to people who are listening it would really help if that were the spirit-filled followers of christ but it's not like heaven is going to be silent because the church people aren't talking it's gonna they're gonna talk to whoever is listening so the the danger here is the question is can an unhealed imagination see pictures or visions falsely or filters through its unhealedness and of course the answer is yes absolutely absolutely i could share stories with you i mean i i one story and of course this will go unnamed but i kind of i kind of feel i'll tell you this generically as you know you'll understand when i tell you the story why but i always feel like when you start using your imagination the eyes of your heart and you're in the heavens it's going to bring out what's inside you whether it's good or bad so that's been my experience some people have watched people start to use the eyes of their heart and the things they see everyone around them can clearly tell that's not holy because it's bringing out what's inside so a friend of mine that i actually trained he was going to heaven using the eyes of his heart there is a period of time where and i just i'll be real honest about this he would probably tell you too if you ever meet him but there's a period of time where he was interacting with angels in a sexual way and i was like no i was just like buddy i love you i think you're awesome but i'm just going to tell you right now that has been a giant no-no from the beginning that's the issue of the flood it's because angels were descending and having relations with humans it was producing hybrids you we just don't do it you know and the person was like really in their own zone about this and i was like well i mean i mean part of me is like well you can't win them all you know like i i don't know what is going to happen to this guy i don't regret showing him how to use the eyes of his heart but there was certainly a brokenness on the inside that was that was filtering that now in a way that i just i never saw coming this guy walking the narrow road of discovery was in the ditch over here that was everything that i see is accurate remember the the problem with that is you never have to test and approve what's going on and you don't need anybody else well in a total shocker this guy gets out of that ditch and realizes that he needs other people and i it's probably six seven months he believed this until his own heaven community was like buddy we love you but this is just not it's just not the lord this just isn't the this isn't heaven that's doing this and he went you know what i think you're right i think this is coming from a place of insecurity i think i need to deal with this and fixed it and i was like when does that happen these days like normally it's just once they're off the rails they're completely off the rails you know you never get them back this guy fixed it and he fixed it because he got out of the ditch that said i don't need anybody and i don't have to test and approve so he got back on this narrow road of discovery and actually dealt with the issues so it shows you stuff sometimes it's why it's there's a benefit to doing this stuff on your own i would i would argue everybody should be practicing this on their own but there's such a benefit to doing it with a community and i just call these people heaven people i know there's all different names ascension groups blah blah i just call everybody generically they're heaven people they're people that access the heavens you need a community of heaven people because they're the ones that can listen to what you're saying and be like well i i love you and i think we'll talk about this but my first impression is the fruit is not good you know and of course you have spouses around you have good friends that are around these are people that are great at telling you you know since you started doing this you've actually become more of a jerk and if that's happening if the fruit of the spirit isn't there then you have to question are you doing it in the spirit or is there something that needs to be worked through and if that's the case that's not hard because you know how we help people work stuff through we use the eyes of their heart so it's like so the thing that's causing the problem is actually the solution so when they're when they get jacked up about something we just go well let's go talk to jesus about it so we get them imagining the lord and we go lord this is what's going on will you walk them through this and of course that you know the lord does and we get it fixed so it's again don't freak out when things happen don't freak out when you see bad things we'll get to that probably as we go here oh i think it's the next question even what if i always see the ugly or the embarrassing things how do i get past that it's like we saw this question coming if you see i'm just going to call it generically dark when you see dark things don't freak out so the first thing you do whatever picture you're seeing you go lord where are you in this picture and you trust that first impression we're looking for jesus in this moment lord where are you so if you're in this ugly scene if you're seeing something bad you're seeing something embarrassing or dark something got crazy and demonic all of a sudden go lord don't freak out don't freak out don't just black out of the experience and run and go get an ice cream okay to to soothe your emotions or something don't freak out it's probably for a reason so acknowledge you see it lord where are you now let's i'll make up a scenario you're seeing something dark ugly some demons there and you're like trying to go to the throne and some like crazy creature is blocking you or i don't know now lord where are you well let's say he's right next to you if he's not question two is lord would you come close to me right now or do you want me to come close to you we want you close enough to touch because i want the conversation easy now he's right there next question you tell the lord what you're seeing and i mean everything you go lord i see this giant hairy monster with claws that's between me and the throne and he's saying i'm the father and you know like or whatever you know and i describe it i go that's what i'm seeing then you look at jesus and you go do you see it okay so that's your first question do you see this too and if he goes yes i do then question two is what are you going to do about it okay so that's all now you just get to watch okay this is the best part you just go what do you plan on doing about this scene and if he looks at you and says i don't see that then you go well lord what are you seeing and then you start to trust the first impressions because is it possible that you watched a bunch of horror movies as a kid and all those images are in your head and they're going to come out when you do this yes that's entirely possible and you know most people i would say 90 of the people i work with are in the place where i'm just trying to get them to talk like i'm trying to get them to go faster and to trust their first impressions 10 of the people i work with have such a hyper active imagination that i'm trying to slow them down okay and it's weird you got to figure out which one it is so like i'll use you know a family member of mine that i taught how to do this imagination hyperactive he was like literally walking down a hallway with jesus and he's like chris i'm just gonna be honest my first impression is chewbacca from star wars just walked up to us and i was like all right what are you like what do you do in this moment are you like well maybe chewbacca's really here i mean like that's that's not what i did i mean i i what i did was that's that's the moment where you go jesus do you also see chewbacca you know or d or or it's very possible that in that moment you're just a good human being and you go i think i'm gonna write that off as not really happening you know so you don't let go of your will in this process it's an internal divine creative force that's what the imagination is so to use it without a will is like trying to go back to inspiration so there are plenty of times where i have seen so like something crazy and i was like oh my gosh that's just the stupid scene from this horror movie i watched when i was 16. you know i'm just not even gonna deal with that i just block it out i i liked where i was i was walking in the garden with you jesus i'm just gonna just blow that one right out and that's possible too don't stop being a good human being here's where you see stuff and you're not sure why you're seeing it i'm going to tell you a funny story okay personal story happened just a few weeks ago this will give you confidence so here i am 10 years in and something like this happens i'm in my home in heaven jesus is there with me wonderful place to be i love every bit of it the risen lord takes out a pack of cigarettes knocks him in his hand like this takes out a cigarette totally puts it in his mouth has a lighter and lights it up like a pro or smokes the cigarette like a professional and i looked at him and i was like what are you doing like jesus stop smoking the cigarette like i feel like this is obvious you know like what are you doing and he's just smoking it like a pro looks at me and he's like do you want you want one and i was like no i don't want one and you shouldn't either you know i was just like how why am i having to lecture you you know like you are the risen lord smokes the cigarette i'm doing this i had to leave i was like 20 30 minutes had passed i'm still talking to him i can't figure out what's going on but i didn't write it off even though i was like in my mind i'm like is this real this is not real what's happening i'm 10 years in folks you still have a lot of moments like this so later in the day i go back i'm like determined what was happening earlier today do i want a cigarette is that what is that why this is happening i mean i smoked when i was in college is that what's going on here you know so sure enough i go back to my home in heaven what's he do takes out a pack of cigarettes knocks that pack of cigarettes takes out another one lights it up smokes it like a pro we're still talking i'm still like you have lost your mind jesus like what is going on smokes it down to where he's done does he put it out no he doesn't he flicks it into the grounds of my eternal home now he's littered you know and i'm and i now i'm like losing my mind i'm like jesus you gave me this place this is my eternal inheritance it's the only place i know where i'm working in harmony with nature and now you're littering into the grounds of this place and smoking like what is your problem and he looks at me and he goes chris he goes why don't you smoke and i was like because jesus i don't want to die of lung cancer i have enough risk factors in my family as it is i don't want to die early of something that kind of looks like it's horrible when people die from it i don't want to die of lung cancer and he goes christopher he said every single day more people die prematurely of worry than they do of cigarettes and he looks at me and he goes why do you worry and i was like oh no you didn't and then he follows it up and he goes christopher more people find themselves out of harmony with nature every day because of worry than they do because of littering he said why do you worry i was like i'm out you know here we are 10 years 10 years into this process that man can still completely shock me with an experience that you're pretty sure when it's happening you probably should have written that off jesus would never be smoking a cigarette like that i told this story to one guy and he's like so you're telling me jesus was green lighting the cigarettes and i was like no that's not what i'm telling you i'm telling you he was saying don't worry it's killing you more than cigarettes would you know anyway story for another day i'm just sharing some stuff with you so you know it can be crazy but did you get the technique there when you see something ugly embarrassing or dark initially don't freak out find the lord get close ask the question no don't ask tell the lord exactly what you see and then go lord do you also see this and then based on his answer you know what to do next and if you get really stuck and it gets really dark and you're afraid don't worry go find a heaven buddy and get with your heaven buddy and let them watch the whole scene with you you get it figured out almost every time i've seen something dark it was because god wanted it dealt with it wasn't just me it was like there was something dark going on and he was like i'm letting you see it because it's your job to take care of it today and that's just a blast to watch how jesus handles stuff like that are we seeing the kingdom uh the inside or we sing into heaven in other words are you seeing something internal like some people call it the garden of your heart are you seeing the heavens okay physics nerd moment it's probably all inside of you anyway so the kingdom of heaven is within us and even when physicists imagine that there are more dimensions than the one we ones we live in that we can perceive the four that we perceive really well three spatial and one time dimension they are looking for those extra dimensions not on the macro scale they're looking for them on the micro scale so when we're even thinking about extra dimensions that we might even think of as heavenly dimensions everyone is imagining them on the smallest of scales inside of us not necessarily outside of us so i'm not sure if there's much of a difference there and if i get to it today and i don't know i mean i'm taking forever on these questions and i apologize but if i get to it today um elizabeth you sent me an email with this beautiful statement about the next age and about well let me just read this last pair am i allowed to read it elizabeth can i just read a section yes okay absolutely this person wrote this could it be that my let me go back one paragraph could it be that my our imagination always calls to me from the original garden designed by god and was barely discovered by adam and eve yes i feel that the scope of anything i dream or imagine is filled with possibility and potential to become real or manifest yes could it be that my imaginations ideas and suggestions exist long before i know of them or can frame them in coherent words yet they are already waiting for me to quote name them or call them out using a descriptor and once spoken or thought of or imagined they can manifest and become what they were always intended to be yes absolutely so whether or not it's coming from in here or you imagine it's up here in some heavenly realm the origin is probably the same okay i i should check your checkbox here all right good i'm caught up if again if you need a clarification about something by all means oop back to these questions how do i know i can trust my imagination well you don't you don't know what you do know is that you can trust god and that's a lot bigger than your imagination so when i'm first teaching people to experience heaven in the spirit using the eyes of their heart i often tell them trust your first impressions don't write anything off as being silly or unspiritual even if you see chewbacca we'll figure that out later okay but don't write anything off as being silly or unspiritual don't be the mental traffic cop that's like well these are holy spiritual things these are not you know just go with it in fact oftentimes i'll even tell people to take guesses because i don't think we're ever 100 sure so if you're waiting for a hundred percent surety i think it's a mirage i tell people go with a 50 guess where do you guess jesus is in this picture and go with that and see where it goes you'll test the fruit after you've had the experience so just do it and wherever you land 20 minutes later 30 minutes later then go back and hopefully you took some notes or you have a good memory and you go back through and you're like did this line up with the fruit of the holy spirit did this line up with this did this line up with this and if it didn't throw it out it's that simple don't take anything that doesn't line up with god's character and the fruit of the holy spirit so just do it and then test it afterwards and and let it go by god's character and you know you get the idea there but i tell people to do that i tell them just trust your first impressions because i say it's your way of telling the holy spirit i believe you are bigger than my will or my intellect i know my will and my intellect are going to be involved because you are trying to get my whole humanity to be made in god's image including my will and my intellect but i believe you're still bigger than all of those things and so when i'm trusting my first impressions i go with that first thought i don't try to overthink it that's me saying holy spirit i believe that you are millions and billions of times bigger and more powerful than my own will and intellect are and i'm trusting you in this moment it is a total act of faith so how do you know you can trust your imagination you don't all you have is a sense that god gave you tools called the eyes of your heart which we call imagination today and he gave it to you with the intention that you would use it in faith trusting god and that you would never stop being a good human being and testing and improving your experiences both internally in yourself and in your heaven people community so it's practice and experience honestly that's what it is are you is everything that you're going to see going to be right in the heavens no because that would be this ditch over here that would be everything i see it's i got to automatically be 100 right listen this side of the resurrection you are going to have a percentage that you get right and a percentage that you get wrong and that's been true of every single age that we have gone into with god so it takes like a couple decades 20 30 years ago the prophetic movement prophets were doing real good 20 30 years i mean they're doing real good every everybody's getting prophetic you know do you remember or maybe you still experience it to some degree how much damage was done in those years because of stuff that god said to people it was awful but it was also really good and god never stopped it because he didn't want to stop the really good there's always going to be this potential to screw stuff up your only protection from that is be a good human being and test the fruit and have a good heaven people community and then you just go for it you go lord you gave it to me i have never done anything in christ that didn't involve at least a little risk i've it's never risk free reminds me of a book i read called will the real jesus please stand up and this guy is like he's writing this story because he gets so frustrated with in this in this book american versions of jesus and he gets to this point where he talks about listening to the christian radio station and there's the point when the radio station kind of gives its little call out it's station identification and it says uh you know w whatever safe for the whole family and this guy was like jesus is not safe for the whole family have you read the gospels this man is not safe he's certainly not safe for the whole family families get divided over this man like i mean like he just gotta blew up his mind he's like this is not jesus this is american jesus you know and it's a lot like if you ever read the chronicles of narnia in the lion the witch in the wardrobe when uh when lucy one of the one of the characters is meeting mr beaver and mr beaver is telling them about aslan the lion of course aslan is a symbol for jesus as in as the king and you know is this lion and and lucy goes a lion well i i wonder if i would be terribly afraid of a lion like is he safe and mr beaver goes safe who said anything about safe he's a lion but he's the king he's good you know so there's a difference between good and risky and safe and nothing you know and jesus is good and risky you know like there's never a moment here where it's without risk so you don't know and i'm not saying that because i'm trying to dissuade you from doing it i'm trying to tell you you won't know until you discipline yourself to use the eyes of your heart to see into the heavens and see what it does you won't know until you've had enough experiences build up and i tell people you can never chart your progress in days and weeks you have to chart it in months and years this is not an american uh you know like you know microwaved flash message which is so popular in my country i recognize i'm talking to people in canada but maybe it's true there too everything's right now everything's got to be fast this does not work that way disciplines never work that way they work overtime and this is a discipline you you're being discipled into a heavenly connection now move on to the next one let me look here did anybody say anything no no we're good i'm checking the chat okay yeah yeah yeah good good good no no questions just okay all right how do i control my imagination when it wanders into other areas other than what i'm supposed to be focusing on great question let's imagine i'm walking around my home in the heavens and i'm having a great time with jesus and the next thing i know i'm imagining the list of things i need to do today or perhaps i'm in the garden walking around with jesus and now i'm imagining the fight that i had with my spouse the day before and i'm replaying that in my head any of these scenarios can happen this is where your will comes in this is the moment when you go what i'm going to do is i'm going to rewind what was the last thing that i was experiencing and seeing clearly in the heavens and use your memory to go back to that point and then just unpress the pause button it's very simple but you have to be involved you can't just like wait for it to come back you use your memory go back to what you were seeing before you got off track and just make it simple and just go okay save that for later or a great pro tip here is have a journal next to you when the random things come up write them down and it frees up your mind to not think about it so when you start okay why am i now imagining you know this thing that i gotta do later well write it down so that you know okay it's dealt with it's out of my mind let me go back to where i was walking around the garden and you're going to find so much of these exercises are not passive they are active exercises if you're looking for scriptural support to make that feel better for you just think about stephen the martyr right before stephen dies he it says he looks intently into heaven that means he looked into heaven on purpose literally the phrases he looked with intention now i'm going to argue all day long that no one right before they die is going to do something that to them has been unproven before that moment so if you if suddenly everyone's picking up rocks and you know you're you're not counting minutes of your life you're counting seconds no one in that moment is going to go you know what i've never tried before i've never tried this what this is the perfect time this is a perfect time to do something i've never tried before you know no one does that when people pick up rocks and you've got seconds to go you're gonna fall back on the thing that you've come to trust implicitly now for a lot of christians if everyone picks up rocks they're going to probably like recite the lord's prayer they're going to go our father run into heaven hallowed be that name and they're going to try to get that thing done before the first rock hits them in the head you know stephen falls back on the thing that he had come to trust implicitly this was not a a moment where he's like i've never done this before but i heard about john and he's doing it i'm gonna try it he does what he had been doing all this time which is on purpose with his will he looked into heaven and went i wonder what's happening in the heavens today and immediately he's in the throne room that's why he sees the father sitting on the throne and jesus standing at the right hand of the father and that sealed the deal because as soon as he said that out loud they threw the rocks so anyway this is not passive this is a very active discipline and that fits the time that we're in folks we're moving out of this inspiration passivity of we don't understand what's happening to us and we're moving into a time where god is going christians and humans my goal was for all of your humanity to come into the image of christ i want your will sanctified i want your emotions sanctified and how are you going to know unless you start using it okay uh how how do i keep going when i get discouraged because i cannot keep focused well this is where the pro tips really come in handy okay now some of you it's hard to keep focused because you've not exercised your imagination that much so uh again the world you i'm not blaming you the world you live in is tough guys it's not an easy road this is a hard discipline in modern western civilization let me just if i get something in from my wife i have to check it because she's not here and she's on the road so let me just make sure i got everything under control okay looks like i do now was i going with that i lost my train of thought because i was thinking about my wife that happens all the time where was i going with that i was reading this question ah right discourage exercising your imagination so the world you live in makes this tough there's great ways to increase the capacity of your imagination now shameless product placement moment here i think elizabeth you let me off on this one i do online classes one of them is called the 21 day imagination booster i created that class specifically because when i would go travel places and i'd speak people are ready to use their imagination but it's almost like all the colors are not on the palette you know and i want them to be able to paint with all the colors so it's good to practice and to exercise it and is it always spiritual oftentimes it is but sometimes do you just need some imagination exercises yes so i created the 21 day imagination booster to do just that and so it's kind of impossible to go through all the pro tips but i'm going to give you some right now number one i like having a cup of tea with me when i do this because i find that if i'm sitting on my floor which is my custom i just tend to sit on the ground i find that it's comfortable but not too comfortable so i don't want to go to sleep and i have my cup of tea just sitting on the floor beside me and i just kind of sit my teeth from time to time and it keeps me focused if i find that i really like my it's just not working get up and do some calisthenics i'm telling you this is not passive do some jumping jacks do 10 push-ups do whatever you got to do and it counts as a workout so you're like two birds with one stone here okay you're working your imagination you're working your body so get up and move around like don't stay stagnant and sitting because sometimes that actually makes it to where you're gonna get off track easier uh so again just there's so much you could do like set a timer um a lot of times it's like i was good for the first five minutes but then after that i was like i was all over the place great set a timer and that's what i always tell them set a timer for less time than you think you can waste that day okay this is not a waste of time but we tend to think of it that way so set a timer if you think you can waste 15 minutes set the timer for 10 and for those 10 minutes you know you're quote wasting time it will actually help you focus a lot of the discouragement of not being able to stay focused is because you're thinking about so many other things because life is too full life is too busy you know covet was actually a blessing for a little bit there but if you're like me i live in florida we're like everything's open again so we're like we're all we're going for it you know that little peaceful three or four months is done so set a timer go i can waste 15 minutes great set it for 10. and what you're going to find out is you were able to go that whole 10 minutes and your timer is going to go off and you're like well could i go another 10 and then you set it for another 10 minutes so lots of pro tips there but don't be discouraged it is a discipline i want to say this to just uh as an object lesson i worked with this guy once wonderful man he would get so frustrated because we would be in our little heaven people community sitting in the living room and we're all saying what we're seeing and he's like christopher all i've got is a big cloud of pink i just see the color pink i got nothing no details no nothing i can't i don't even know what i'm supposed to be looking at and i would be like buddy hang in there don't measure measure your progress in days and weeks measure it in months and years keep using the muscle keep practicing so he did he kept coming back he'd be with us like three four months later we're all in the spirit and he starts to share what he's seeing i kid you not this is exactly what he said he goes all right so what i'm seeing is there's this waterfall but it's in the shape of steps and i'm walking up the steps of this waterfall and jesus is right beside me and all of the trees are like reaching for us as we're walking up the waterfall and i was like stop listen to yourself a few months ago it was just a blob of pink i was like now you're walking up a waterfall with jesus and the trees are reaching for you i mean like just think of what's happened in that short of a time so don't be discouraged use the pro tips get some help from me or another class or whatever source read a fantasy novel read something awesome stretch your imagination out there some good ones out there are the novel elantras that's a good one written by brandon sanderson it's actually a story of redemption about people coming into a glorified body um you could read uh the name of the wind only that one will you'll lose a lot of time because that one keeps everybody up at night they can't they can't close that book patrick rothfuss wrote that book name of the wind's pretty pg-13 if some of you like you know my wife has got a real pure heart so she doesn't do r-rated stuff so just so you know the book the sequel to that book is a little bit more r-rated than the first one so she loved the first one that's a good one to read but it is you will lose some sleep a name of the win patrick rothfuss ladies brandon sanderson wrote a novel called war breaker great female characters my wife loved that one too can't go wrong there so read some novels get out there read some poetry that will stretch your imagination some of my favorites are percy shelley or i love emerson's uh essays and his poetry emily dickinson is a favorite of mine um uh coleridge is good you know just you know find some stuff that that is that that gets your your imagination going a little bit i don't know pick up some crayons and color something every every christmas everybody gets coloring books in our house every christmas and we try to find them the most imaginative ones we can find like one year my daughter got one that was all mermaids and unicorns and stuff like that and you know samuel got all these animals and jungles everybody gets a coloring book because there's days where you just want to sit down in color even as an adult it helps your imagination but again scientific revolution world would be like what a total waste of time so you're a peculiar people if that's the kind of stuff that you'll do let's see i don't know how many i'm going to get through here elizabeth i know we're getting close to 4 30. the good news is i bought myself a little bit more time and so uh that was what my wife was taking care of there so i'm not in as much of a hurry to get out in an hour and a half so do you want me to keep going with with these questions but um if if you like as you had suggested previously that you could probably come back another sunday you could probably hold on to some of them and then we could probably actually do an activation let's do that let me do one more and then we'll do an activation and then i'll i'll i'll tell you all goodbye and thanks for letting me share your sunday okay um just to say everyone i i've been putting the information in the chat box there you will see discover the heavens for the 21 days imagination booster and also christopher carter paypal link i just started myself to see if it worked nicely all you have to do is copy and paste it in your browser put in the amount and voila you don't even have to sign in you send the money out okay there you go thank you elizabeth that's very very kind of you thank you how do i know if i've gone off track okay i think this kind of again almost all of the questions are so good because they're all about the narrow road of discovery almost all of the questions are about that which tells me if these are the kinds of questions you're asking you all are going to do really really well because you're asking the right questions how do you know if you've gone off track you won't always know so jesus smoking cigarettes 10 years in i was like i'm gonna give this a whirl because something tells me he's going to bring this around like because after 10 years i i just you just have come to trust it it's a decade of finding out how what happens there comes into my earthly mortal reality again and again i've just i've seen too much you know like i can't unsee what i've seen i can't un-experience what i've experienced so after a decade when he starts smoking a cigarette i'm kind of like i don't get you at all lord but there's probably something you're going to do before this is all over i'm going to let you smoke this for now you know but if you never came around was i about to go take up smoking no i was i probably would have just written it off well folks that was one of those days where i had some really strange cheese for lunch and it somehow affected my brain you know you won't always know you can certainly test the fruit when you're in the experience i hope the tips that i gave you because most of the time honestly when someone feels like they've gone off track it's because it got dark or ugly or embarrassing in some way that's almost always how someone knows or feels like it's getting off track so hopefully i gave you enough tips there to where if that happens you can go alright lord where are you do you see this too what do you want to do about it so that's always a good strategy you can't go wrong i've i've never teach people how to go into the heavens without jesus being their chaperone so i've never set this up for people where they're just doing this on their own let him be the chaperone and if he's there's the chaperone you can always ask him if you think you're getting off track that's why the lord is there he is i mean to use the new age term don't ever tell anybody i said this because i'll deny it all day long but he is your spirit guide okay like he is your guru of going to heaven that's what he does he's like um he told his disciples you're going to see angels ascending and descending on the son of man he's your guide let the messiah be what what he wants to be so let him chaperone and if you ever feel like it's getting off track he is one question away from doing that my last little pro tip here when you're in these moments i'll tell you that the hardest thing to do is to ask emotionally charged questions that's why it's always easier to hear in prayer for someone else than it is for yourself because when you're asking god emotionally charged questions you're always afraid of the answer okay that's just human nature it's where we all live so when you're in that emotionally charged place am i off track or is this dark and maybe it's just like it's not even a big deal but you're just wondering if you've gone off track simple yes or no questions are the best way to go that's my pro tip for you about this look at him and ask him a yes or no question and trust your first impression so if you ask him if you saw it go off track or you saw something dark or ugly or embarrassing and you asked him this really deep emotionally charged question about lord am i seeing this because of this and this is what's going on my life and my you know and i yelled at my kids yesterday and all this is happening how is he going to answer that because you you've got this you've got it so wrapped up like spaghetti it's tough for him to take one noodle out to kind of say yes or no about something so just look at him and ask simple questions you know if you thought you got off track look at him and say lord i was doing this but it's gone this way did i just get off track and he can go yes or no and if he goes yes then go lord what do you want me to see or just walk with me and show me where you want me to be and just focus on the lord that's all you have to do and if he goes no i was smoking a cigarette then you're gonna go well lord you're gonna have to sort this out before we're done and then if you don't get it sorted out before you're done and it's still a problem for you that's when you talk to one of your heaven people community buddies and you guys can figure it out i'm sure okay you ready for a little experience we can all have together does that sound good okay absolutely yeah okay absolutely and let me ask you real quick oh yeah go ahead elizabeth you're gonna say something no no i was saying um yes let's go right ahead with activation and um yeah if you want to see this now in action okay great uh i can see a few of your squares those who have video on can you just give me a raise of a hand from you all have you done exercises in the heavens before okay that's everybody so so so you know what you're doing for the most part so maybe what we should or probably for a big part some of you i don't know i mean i don't know you could be doing this for over a decade you know so let's do something where we go somewhere together and elizabeth when we've been together i've done this before in our meeting so i'd like to take you somewhere that is a really great meeting place and from there we're going to have a great discussion with the lord now when we do this i i really want to encourage the use of the chat box okay because your mics are muted and that's a good thing because if you all get distracting if you're all talking so write stuff in the chat box i'm going to prompt you with things i would love to know what you're experiencing and what you're seeing and what you're hearing and as we do that we're going to get to a point in this experience where we're just going to ask jesus as our rabbi to teach us and he's going to teach us this sunday and we all get to echo what we hear him saying and he's going to preach the most beautiful sermon through you but we're going to get there to where we get to that point because it's just a fun thing to do to to let the rabbi be the rabbi okay all right so wherever you are have that journal with you if you want to i'm just going to start to present a scene to you a place that i go in the heavens all the time i believe that if you if you go see awesome things here and you can you're able to take your friends and you are you should be able to do that there so just from memory i'm going to describe to you this place in the beginning all you have to do is let your imagination see the scene that i'm describing to you and eventually yours is going to take over and you're going to see what you need to see so i want you to imagine that you're standing in front of the silver tree now again i've been in toronto with elizabeth and i know we've done this at least a couple times i love this place it's such a easy gathering place for us all to be so imagine you're standing in front of the silver tree and you can look at the trunk of the silver tree and you can just see it twist very gently as it grows up out of the ground it's not like a tight candy cane sort of twist it's just a very gentle twist as this trunk very metallic silver trunk grows up out of the ground and a few feet overhead it spreads out this wide canopy of silver branches now there's wonderful green kind of like emerald crystalline leaves they're not normal leaves they're very crystalline and metallic all up in the tree and there's these wonderful orbs of light almost like that's the fruit of the silver tree different colored orbs of light in the tree if you let your gaze go down the silver trunk down to where it meets the ground you're going to see this wide circle of short green moss that's the ground cover and you can watch the silver roots where they kind of have grown into and out at the base of the tree into this green moss and you can see that green moss in this wide circle around the silver tree and out from that is a wide stone pathway also a perfect kind of circle perimeter around the silver tree and there's some benches you could sit on in this stone pathway and out from that circle there's pathways that lead out from this place into who knows where now all i want you to do and this is a great exercise because we're that you can't do this and be passive so i want you to locate yourself where are you in this picture and i want you to put that in the chat box and i want you to trust your first impression where are you in this picture i'm walking around the tree on the green moss uh some of you this what you're riding in front of the tree base of the tree looking up beside the tree in front of the tree looking at the at the trunk and the branches sitting on a bench looking at the tree just a little ways down the path to the left of the tree is someone i'm standing looking up the tree i can see the moss sort of hugging the bottom of the trunk yes it does sitting at the base of the tree looking at the sun someone else is standing in front of the tree and you and you see all of us some are sitting on the benches and others are indeed walking around that's great it's wonderful someone else in front of the tree looking looking at the trunk standing on the mosque great now you know where you are now here's what i want you to do i want you to imagine what you would smell in this place use a spiritual sense now if you go and try to breathe in your room you're just going to smell your room okay so you have to let your imagination tell you the story what do you imagine this place smells like and as soon as you get that guess that first impression put it in the chat box and if you're like i'm just guessing here i feel like i'm making it up if you're doing that and you feel like you're making it up you're doing it right because this is an internal source it's not external you will feel like a part of you is making it up it just happens to be the part of you that's filled with the holy spirit and if you believe you have the mind of christ guess where guess where these imaginings are coming from it's coming from the mind of christ that's in you i was getting cinnamon and honey which is a this tree always smells like cinnamon and honey to me guava mint a sweet smell fresh rainfall lilies and tulips green and alive perfume like lavender raindrops like lights on the leaves of the tree the air smells like fresh water like nearby or like a fir tree someone else very good again don't be shy i mean you can't get this wrong unless you say garbage you smell garbage that's the only way you can get this wrong then you're not in the right place now you did your smell how about your sounds what can you hear what do you imagine you would hear in this place because your imagination already knows it already knows this place and it already knows the story so let it tell you the story what do you hear in this place right now [Music] i always hear a little chinkling almost like crystalline wind chimes i always think it's like the fruit in the leaves just kind of moving when the wind blows through the silver tree but some of you are hearing birds crickets and owls quiet with with no noise birds and lots of crickets wind above my head running water there is running water nearby good job i didn't tell you that but there is a breeze ruffling the leaves and the sounds of them moving you hear the wind blowing through the leaves you hear exotic birds the air is alive and singing with vibrations the leaves blowing but they sound like glass shimmering as yeah that's the sound i would well yeah like a little tinkling kind of sound the raindrops are singing and why wouldn't they be absolutely now you've done some sounds how about your sense of touch touch something it could be the way the trunk of the tree feels or it could be the the temperature of the air on your skin or the garment that you imagine yourself wearing use your sense of touch and let your imagination tell you the story what do you imagine you would feel if you touch something here and put it in the chat box as soon as you have that first guess don't write it off you know any it's gonna be tough to get this wrong unless you say i feel someone stabbing me with a knife that's the only way to get this wrong you just trust that first guess i put my hand on that metallic trunk of the tree and the first thing i felt was it almost pushed back like there's just vibration there's energy and it almost you know acknowledged my touch with its own touch some of you are feeling the warmth of the sun and the soft moss under your feet everything feels soft and gentle and vibrant with love a refreshing coolness a soothing cold the trunk is like uh any metal it's cool to touch yep someone else said i can feel the vibration of the colors sounds and smell physically the trunk of the tree yep the bench is smooth and cool and someone else is feeling like liquid steel i imagine in that silver tree sometimes even wondered if it's silver or if it's like mercury like it's quicksilver it feels like fine silk but it feels alive like a pulse of life as if it's speaking in my mind yep i feel the silk of the tree wrapping around me this is so much fun you guys are doing great now let's ask the best question you could ask lord where are you in this picture and i your mics are off so just talk out loud because you're already crazy for doing this anyway so you're not going to sound any crazy or talking to yourself so just go lord where are you in this picture the more you talk to yourself the easier this is it's one of my pro tips for you talk to yourself and it's easier to stay focused so just say it out lord where are you in this picture and what's your first impression of where the lord is [Music] someone uh said in the comments too they said i think i probably need more imagination no you don't you're doing great i mean we all need more imagination you know what i'm saying but you're doing great i've been reading what you've been saying you're doing perfect don't don't get discouraged or write it off you're doing just fine keep working with those first impressions i saw him essentially jump out of the tree like he was in it and he came right down and just landed on the ground with a big smile on his face some others you said he's sitting on the bench waiting for you i'm at the waterfall yep there's a waterfall nearby yep he's floating at a leaf level by the tree sitting on a bench with me observing the tree uh far from the tree on the pathway good i see him sitting on a bench a few meters up the tree he's enjoying all of us discovering our senses this is fun for him up ahead calling me good he's above but surrounding me and the tree kind of like all enveloping me good he's he's uh he said he's standing over me look up and the moment i looked up he kissed your forehead that's awesome so good everyone so good now give your first impressions of what the lord looks like color clothing expression let your imagination do the work how do you imagine the lord would look because your imagination already knows what's the basics clothes most of you are going to see him clothe because you're not ready to be back in eden yet okay so he's going to have clothes on what are they what about hair what about colors and then what i think is most important what about the expression on his face first guesses here don't make it too complicated don't make it too spiritual enjoy using your imagination that's why god gave it to you and you're doing great as soon as you get those those first guesses of ideas put them in the chat box just just let them out there write them in talk to yourself about what you're seeing it's always good to narrate to yourself okay lord this is where i see you and i see you doing this and this is what i feel like you know you have on for clothes and this is what the expression of your face is and keep talking to yourself everything that you're seeing as if you're telling yourself the story because in a sense that is what you're doing i see him in kind of whites and browns today with dark hair some of you said he's smiling with white clothing dark brown hair with ponytail white long shirt and jeans bare feet his face is reminiscent he has sandals white clothing with splashes of blue dark hair below his shoulders enjoying the moment is the expression there tender and kind is the expression white loose dress can't see his face but it is lit he just he does want to communicate with me yes the lord does i see him clothed in warm vibrant radiance emitting out of his light body good he's wearing linen dark brown hair beautiful deep brown eyes strong stature sitting by a different tree he has a huge smile and a rainbow colors radiating radiating from him he has white clothing and dark hair his eyes are sparkling with joy he's communicating to each of us in our spirit encouraging us not to be limited or limit ourselves last one he's so stunning with a dazzling bright garment almost like creation was being clothed over again he was smiling so loud at me now if you're not close let's be close so you know how to do this lord would you come close to me or should i come close to you and just say it out loud if he's not right there next to you make sure that he is for this next part lord would you come close to me or should i come close to you and trust your imagination to tell you what's your first guess of what would happen as soon as you say that does the lord go like this and go come on over here or does he start walking towards you do you meet in the middle what's your first guess and just tell yourself that you don't have to put this in the chat box either just experience it we just want you close enough to touch now we could we could spend an hour just being close to the lord and you all just enjoying the moment and i trust that you do that but i wanted to ask two questions while we're together and these are prompts now you're with jesus so he's the one in charge not me if you don't like these question prompts you don't have to even participate with them you're free to do whatever you feel like you need to do if you like the question prompts just look at the lord and let's ask the first question again i would say say this out loud to him lord what is something that i can bring from heaven to earth today just mumble that tomb lord what is something that i can bring from heaven to earth today and then don't stop talking to yourself tell yourself the first impressions of anything that he says or does this would be great to put in the chat box too and and again don't think this ever gets old decade of doing this i'm listening to him right now i'm going to share with you what he just told me because it was it was significant and special to me got it thank you lord you just you just imagine yourself doing it you imagine the response if you're like chris i think i'm just making him say what i want him to say good if you feel that way you are doing this right it's it's internal it's a part of you that's doing this you should feel like you are the co-creator here and sometimes it's hard to even know am i the co-creator or the soul creator listen right now let's just do it and let's have fun doing it we'll test it after we're done good put in that chat box be brave what did he say that you could bring from heaven to earth today one of you said my smile heck yes do you think you could bring your smile from heaven to earth today do you have any idea maybe what that's going to do to someone when you smile at them today it'll be a heavenly smile and because you did it there first when you bring it here it's gonna have more on it than just a normal smile someone said yes joy he said my love for you goes for miles and miles you can bring the joy someone said peaches man i hope those are good like real peaches too you could bring me peaches that would be okay warm soft energizing and refreshing love is what you can bring you can bring the love that you are afraid to experience the love you have been resisting you can bring that good prosperity is what someone can bring from heaven to earth gold is what someone can bring healing music healing fire these are great things he told me i said what can i bring from heaven earth he said you've got a great night planned with your two kids tonight i have all this fun planned for them later as soon as we're done in fact and he was just like you can bring me into that experience with the kids tonight it's like i'm in and then he said and then after that you can bring heavenly things to earth where your wife is at at this retreat i said i'm in on that too so you just ask him what you can bring from heaven to earth someone else can bring worship very good very good now let's do one more quest question prompt you can keep going you can type stuff in if you're still on that i just want to ask one more thing i love doing this because i feel like this is just what happens in the persecuted church all over the world they get together in some cave and jesus appears to them and he teaches them so we're with him right now let's ask him to teach us so just look at him and go lord what is one thing you want us to know today and just just give it to him just like that mumble that question to him lord what is one thing you want us to know today and then whatever that first impression is put that in the chat box and elizabeth i would highly encourage you to save the chat because you can string this together these statements these sentences and you're going to listen to him preach a message through his children what is one thing you want to make sure we know today and put that in the chat box i'm going to do it too with you got it and again i just it's that first impression that first guest you let your imagination tell you the story what do you imagine god would say when you go lord what is one thing you want to make sure we know today hey chris i just want to say man you're wrecking me over here because the way you talk about your wife and your kids i can really tell that you really love them with all your heart thanks bro thank you let me start reading yours now i'll tell you mine at the end too so here's now just watch how god talks through all of us okay the rabbi's teaching this is what the rabbi is saying he wants us to know his love love for one another like he loves us he wants us to know water in the word his unconditional love to not be afraid of going into the unknown to trust him that he is ours and we are his he says you can trust me to make all things clear to you he says this is home he says you'll make it you can do it you are strong enough in me he said he's so excited we're showing up to sit with him and you know and this is what i heard him say he said christopher you're coming into a time where you're going to have ideas and he wasn't saying this to me he's saying this to all of us he said i'm going to give you ideas when you get them act on them he said to wait would be a mistake that's what i heard him say anything else you want to throw in there this is one of my favorite things to do with our access to heaven oftentimes we even have home groups here at the house where mostly it's young people i get a lot of college age students just graduated from high school that sort of thing former students that i've taught and they all come over and i don't do anything we just find jesus in the room that we're in and we just start letting the rabbi teach us and everybody just starts being the speakers for the rabbi teaching us and we just string it together to know what was god wanting to tell us today uh so again just so much you can do with this sort of exercise um it's it's coming in on five o'clock so just as a way for us to wrap this up can i just say wherever you are with the lord just look at the lord and and just say thanks thank you for the access i love you i believe you i know that you're alive i know that you rose from the dead i know that you ascended to the heavens where i am right now with you so thank you for the access touch him hug him high five fist bump whatever seems appropriate for you just be grateful and be thankful and if you really want to set a date to go back you can go back to that silver tree as often as you like you can go explore where all the pathways go you can ask jesus where he wants to take you and let him be your chaperone and you can just use your memory to go right back there or you can ask the lord before you leave this place lord if i come back on my own where do i begin my journey where is the place where i start my journey and he'll tell you start it right here standing on the mosque or start it right here sitting on the bench and then you can just use your will like stephen did look intently into heaven where the silver tree is and be right back where he told you you can begin okay all good things for you to do i would love to stay around for communion but as you know i i do i do have something i'm supposed to go do so i'm going to leave to do that uh but it's been it's really been delightful to spend a sunday with all of you um and i'm just making sure i'm seeing everything in the comments here elizabeth anything else we need to do um not right now i just um want to say thanks a million i'm really wrecked right now all right this has been fantastic um i just want to say that just please check in your chat box so you could message me all you have to do i would really love to you to trading to this as i said before that i tried it and things were perfect you just have to copy and paste paypal dot me discuss slash discover the heavens and um just put the amount you want to send then you send to christopher you will get it and um also for when i want to encourage you all if you can and the price is really good with 21 day imagination booster i can guarantee it will change your life it it truly will change your life it will translate into everything you do one of the most life changing things you could do is to engage in the heavens and this is a way we have a key take the key open the door and walk in that's what i would say and say christopher thank you so very much i want to cry oh it's my pleasure it really is and if again that i know that you already suggested it so i'm gonna say yes and everyone i'm sure would you like christopher to come back another sunday and hang out with us let's say yes absolutely and we can talk about that right surely surely i'd be happy to and i don't have to travel for uh the next three or four weeks so there's probably uh some time in there where we could we could do something send me the date that is good for you and be okay wonderful wonderful well listen blessings to all of you uh i tell you when the day comes when canada decides that it likes america again i never see you in person again elizabeth i'm sure we can we can make that happen i don't think we're there yet but eventually the two nations will decide that we we can we can live next to each other very very comfortably yes uh so i will look forward to that day and until then uh love to you all had a wonderful time spending sunday with you and i'll talk to you soon okay thank you so much bye-bye everyone bye-bye take care okay so um everybody good anybody want to make a quick comment before we go and then we'll just have the communion um if only anyone you said was this good well do you find it was um beneficial for you maz i know this is the very first time she doing this what about you my ass how is it for you awesome man [Laughter] i like that song yeah the teaching i i really believe teaching was very important for us to understand and to kind of move away some of the fears you know um okay um it wouldn't mean it probably wouldn't be next sunday probably another sunday just how was it for you girl i know you touched on some things that we talked about that probably really were like yes yeah like um i was sitting there and like he talked about a lot of stuff that he talked about uh in his conference and so that's why i got super excited because it was a really good like reminder and refresher and like that the pro tips that he was giving out i like that terminology pro tips um i'm gonna take those and i broke them all down and like it's really helpful because i tend to like lose my focus i'm like what no that was a beautiful picture let me go back there oh yeah it was it was amazing very good very good tyree i know that touched you also yeah i did um yeah it definitely did um and uh in a lot of different ways on what he was just saying about just his life in general because i i struggled with some with some of those same things that he did and um the way that he was like you know that didn't hinder him from his imagination from expanding his imagination in christ and that really uh really touched me because like this exercise definitely really helped my imagination um with engaging um just him and just being real too because oftentimes i i feel like we get so familiar with what he's like instead of being vulnerable to the to the part that we don't know of him yes yeah but that's the transparency and vulnerability while being vulnerable does for us it changes us transparency brings transformation and transfiguration and that's very very important and um and that's where we change right in his presence and um i i love the scriptures you use fix your eyes or me scripture says set your minds and things above and it's really it's really aspect we use the word ascension but just for it to help us understand it's really an ascended place that we're engaging in but we are intentionally focused and then i also love how we use um steven's story that was really key i can't do it so let's go do it let's go ahead donna okay so i'm gonna i guess i'm gonna do this one with our imagination as well i'll do what what i do when i okay um take communion so i'll lead you to a different place ah are you ready okay i'll take it i'll tell you where i go i mean you can always go where you go to have communion with the lord so come with me to this beautiful place where i meet we're on there's mountains all around but there is this one path that we take and it's at the very edge of a mountain like you can if you look you can see down the precipice of the mountain but there's this very edge of the mountain and there's a path like a well-worn path that's there and sometimes i can see people in the distance i can see other beings in the distance i can't really make them out but there's this one spot that there's a a blanket that's set out and on that spot sitting across from me is the lord and there's a picnic basket and it's open and in the picnic basket he takes out bread and he takes out wine and then he takes out fruit sometimes i see grapes sometimes i see um strawberries sometimes i see other fruit but a lot of times i see grapes but there's always bread wine and fruit and it's beautifully set down on this on the ground we're having like a picnic on the ground and he's sitting across from me and off in the distance with me here there is water below that bridge that ridge that we're sitting at there is water that's flowing below it's not flowing harshly it's just beautiful water just flowing and um jesus sits across from me and then he will say the words in the bible where he will say this is my body and he will break the bread and physically and he will hand it to me and i'm going to suggest that you physically reach out your hand and take it from him and he will say this is the bread and he hands it to you take it physically put it to your mouth physically create that imprint and chew the bread eat the bread and as you keep eating the bread i'm just gonna pray father i thank you lord jesus we thank you for your body that was broken and as we eat your body we can feel the frequency of your body going into ours going into every cell every tissue triggering memories of being with you back in ages past being with you before the foundation of the world we can feel the weight of the glory of your body within us and as the weight of your body flows through us we feel the frequency in our hands in our feet in our head in our whole body in our minds and father i just thank you that as we sit in this beautiful place that you yourself would just the body of christ will just it'll illuminate within us removing every phantom self that the enemy has put in replace of what he has stolen just remove every phantom thing every phantom self every phantom thought what he's stolen and replaced his phantom we thank you for removing that that the body that we've eaten is removing eliminating the false and the fake and revealing the true hmm just set in that truth that all the phantom cells that the envious try to overlay the true you is now being removed because of the body because you've eaten his body and that is the true that is coming illuminating within you and just see all the phantom things phantom cells that is not just not you just see him just ripping those things off and just discarding them and the true you coming forth you're seeing a more you're seeing you in him thank you lord thank you lord jesus wow thank you lord thank you jesus nice yeah and now look at him again and he has the cup in his hand his blood he's gonna hand it to you and he's gonna say this is my blood this is what he's saying this is my blood poured out for you and he's handing you that cup or that wine glass whatever goblet whatever it's in and physically reach your hand and take it from him and physically drink his blood and know that the blood of jesus speaks and the frequency of the voice of the blood is flowing through you into those interdimensions ages is speaking the truth is speaking of him the blood of christ it brings life it brings love it brings light and then just imagine as your heart beats is a pulse and that pulse that goes out is a frequency of the blood pulsating out from you that becomes your frequency now pulsing out from you into the realms around you spiritually and physically this is what creates presence you carry his present the frequency of the voice of the blood is what carries his presence for you around you this is your identity you are known because of his presence and by his presence just imagine like seeing that pulse go out like a pulsar like when you you drop something water how that rings your flow out but it's not two or three dimensional it is multi-dimensional see even the colors as that pulse goes out it brings life it brings love it brings light thank you lord for transforming us and designing us just like you we do not look different we are unique but we are made of your essence light beings thank you lord jesus and then just you're seeing yourself back in this picnic area thank the lord for his and being being amazing and carry that memory with you right back to here amen wow that was exquisite like that wow there's a terminology that we used to use years ago a holy hush i said i feel a holy hush to feel it even at the soles of my feet part of my body is vibrating it's just like amazing wow that place that you described is real as if it's i could touch it feel the warm to it i can see what is not only beneath but i could see the waters on the opposite mountain range before me falling down like a sheet of water oh my goodness oh my word hmm wow so we do have to go now but this recording i will try not to edit out i like to edit out some things but i think i will just send it as is that's why i take so long i try to edit i make it nice so i'll try to send it as is i think i have everyone's email address if you think i may not have it um just um send it to me on on probably whatsapp or facebook messenger because we could use this forward tape and re-engage everyone again and it will take you much further i guarantee you if this is something that you'd like to continue to do do it it will change your life it's an adventure a beautiful adventure with him and i love the terminology or rabbi he really teaches us from heaven okay i would say that you guys are before it's really good i'll see thank you that's so blessed love you guys thank you elizabeth you

Channel: ECCLESIA OF BURNING ONES

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Keywords: imagination, heaven, scrolls, Yeshua, YHVH, angels, spirit lead me where my trust is without borders, spirit science, soul, body transformation, scripture meditation, scriptures for encouragement strength and peace, kingdom hearts, mystical, ascension to heaven, inner life, inner life of the cell, the cross, calvary, sonship in christ, Holy Spirit, prayer, worship, pure imagination

Id: k-HeFPXEbdY

Length: 124min 25sec (7465 seconds)

Published: Sat Oct 03 2020