The Anthony Fantano Interview - No Jumper

[Music] [Applause] no job er Kools podcast in the world and today I'm here with a fellow shaved head egghead looking ass white guy answered if antenna of the needle drop are you doing bro good Harry thanks for having me on o2 this yeah this is a collision that you know because when it comes to like music based YouTube is not that many people who fit into like a certain segment of you know like with us I guess like the the real similarity would just be the frequency that you know I mean you upload how many times a week on average I'm uploading pretty much every weekday and at least once a weekend right any of your other channel as well so you have a very very consistent output so I kind of like I think of like me you academics and like you know maybe a handful of other people that really stand out in terms of doing like the youtuber thing you know like we all kind of know what that is if you pay it into like the YouTube community but doing it in the music world of sorts sure yeah yeah so I can understand why people are excited to see us together we absolutely I think it's also because we're we're both polarizing individuals so kind of seeing us collide over maybe some polarizing [ __ ] I don't know there wasn't me much at one time that was like a picture of me you Andrew Schultz and yes Jules and I forgot what it said but it says something about you know how bad white people suck so I felt I felt really lucky in that moment to be including that grip on my damn that's great that's a good company I guess I like everybody enough oh yeah I actually could sir everybody in that photo my friend and I think that everybody in the photo is a good person and so I enjoy if I'm going to be smeared I at least want to be smeared with a few other people that I think are good people overall yeah exactly yeah yeah yeah so let's talk what should we dive in on here right and why are we so polarizing why are you so polarizing I think because I just don't really give a [ __ ] what anybody thinks what I say and is that really really consistent like is there nothing that you know commenter like that somebody in your field could say about you that's really going to set you off um I mean of course people can say things that set me off I guess I'm not like really worried about you know sort of being set off I guess it's sort of a matter of who is who's worth and who's not we're being set off at right you know like there have been artists and there have been producers and you know other music journalists who have like come at me over Twitter and you know obviously that's worthy a response because it would just be hilarious and you know just like create a lot of internet drama which really everybody benefits from I mean nobody on Twitter is actually like looking to school anybody or learn from a real conversation I mean if you are your total [ __ ] loser well unfortunately that's truth I was like people always want to say now like oh it's a conversation we need to encourage dialogue not for a conversation at all like you know people come at you over Twitter they're doing it so that their followers see and they're doing it so they can be really told that guy I told him all that old him he was ugly involved at all now he knows there you go I get old so much now I'm just like come on I know how old I am ever and so everybody working in the rap industry is old and exactly when our future future's [ __ ] old 2 Chainz old but especially on the industry shot it's like if you're like 22 when you're in the rap game and you're working in the industry it was like there's a 99% chance that you're like an intern or like just barely getting your foot in the door it's like I'm 33 I thought enough time and I haven't been in the music world that long but I mean about enough time to sort of get my thing going like like the kind of thing that we do don't you think it's kind of it's hard to imagine a lot of really young people doing what we do just you know was it strange like it seems of an action we do it's hard to imagine young people being at the level that we are because it takes a while to get where you are you know what I mean like obviously when when I was that age that you're talking about and I was starting this YouTube channel like I had a [ __ ] hundred subscribers and you know nobody took me seriously so it's like you know you have to start somewhere right yeah yeah and it's just like a it's a time thing but it's also like you know for you to have a perspective that anybody's interested in hearing the likelihood of you having like a voice that would survive podcasting or doing album views and the likelihood that you would have a good enough voice per se at 21 very very low and if I would love to meet the next great 21 year old hip hop podcaster I just think that on average a 21 year olds not really going to be able to pull it off there's there's a lot of different factors there's the fact that you're just going to be inexperienced I mean when I started doing my youtube channel I already had years of interning at radio under my belt you know so I kind of already kind of had the idea of like a show format in my head sort of how to deliver but still I was really shitty like my first year reviews or like total [ __ ] delete all of them I deleted all of them because they all had a crappy raid content in them but the entire song like 10 seconds of a song but and that seemed really scary to a certain point I was getting DMCA's okay I didn't just do it because I thought it was a bad thing I was getting DM so I can make a video and put seven seconds in and it won't get detected at all as our tubers a little more draconian about it yeah at the time and they're more hands on I was more in contact with people at YouTube at the time and they had no case or they hadn't recommended to me you know specifically not to do it the second issue is that it never seemed kind of like surprising like oh I run like a youtube channel about music and I never actually ever get to play any music ever honestly I think it actually was to my benefit in the end because I think it's sort of um challenged me to better describe what I'm talking about because you know I could easily just be like hey there's a really cool guitar part at this thing and you know it's significant because XYZ and both above and you know where is now after like actually specifically described the intricacies of what makes it significant and I think honestly again it's worked out for the better because even if at the end of the day I did kind of get away with you know using these music clips there's still a chance that even if I'm not getting DMCA started to still do it by hand okay not even by hand but they jump in and say okay we're going to let the videos stay up but we're going to get a cut of the money because our copyrighted content is in the video right which is also you know which is like an even worse situation but I wouldn't want to deal with and because they could like maliciously try to take down the whole channel which i think is the part of the problem that academics has had in the past yeah so I wanted to bring this up did you see the clip of a on every day struggle academics Joe Budden and vic mensa and vic mensa basically like challenges academics in the sense he says you know who the [ __ ] are you have opinion about what's going on in the hood in Chicago and the community's stuff like that and that kind of rung true in the sense that that's kind of almost like the response that you get I think till you're musically who the [ __ ] are you to have or allow your videos who the [ __ ] are you to have an opinion about music and I think what's really funny in both cases is that there's tons of people basically doing what you are academics to or what I do and nobody really gives a [ __ ] nobody cares at all and that that whole question like who are you to be able to have an opinion it's like we don't we don't ask that question of people with 300 followers yeah like that though you're in a funny position too because like people treat your word as if it's so authoritative like as if you were say a project is bad that people just are not willing to accept that it's just one man's opinion right and also like you have to remember that like you know it's not like back in the 80s or the 90s when like music critics and music journalists sort of the major publications a lot of which are still around now but are mostly digital like we're literally the gatekeepers and you know you didn't hear about something whether it was you know good bad or whatever unless they covered it or said it was great or whatnot you know like sure I may have an opinion and a strong opinion about some album that you might like but the thing is at the end of the day like my opinion doesn't really affect whether or not anybody likes the new little yachty record my opinion you know I have more I loved the for the most part the latest childish gambino album but nearly every review I've done of every album he's put out so far has been either negative or mildly neutral and hasn't [ __ ] affected his career [ __ ] lick as far as i concerned right um you know but the thing is like there are a lot of people who you know are huge fans of him and huge fans of a lot of artists and I'm not the biggest fan of but they just [ __ ] get along and watch my reviews anyway because you know they understand and opinions and opinion and even if we disagree on this one artist later down the road I'm going to turn them on to an injury reserve I'm going to turn them on to a Death Grips I'm going to turn them on to you know a Brockhampton or something you know not to say that I'm responsible for those artists being where they are today but you know there are a lot of people who tell me personally that they wouldn't have heard of them if I hadn't sort of reviewed them and recommended them so you know I think what people need to kind of get over is just like their [ __ ] feelings because at the end of the day like honestly like you know who are you to have an opinion on both like in reality land is that your [ __ ] that you know I don't really have any say over whether or not anybody's successful or famous or anything you know certainly I can influence people to try out a new artist who maybe people haven't heard of but if you're on your [ __ ] on I can't step in and ruin your career it doesn't [ __ ] work like that and also when you say like oh I don't like the idea of them it's like nobody should be terribly surprised you know like the idea of them I would imagine though yeah these fanbase doesn't overlap with your fanbase too heavily I mean yes and no like I like the little boat mixtape okay which I got [ __ ] crazy harassment for what you gave it I gave it like a seven okay and like even that it's not like a positive so like I liked it but the thing is like people are just like a kid believe you [ __ ] like that more than blank-faced I can't believe you [ __ ] like that just as much as damn I can't believe you [ __ ] like that as much as you know or more than whatever thing you know and it's funny because like people get bitter over that but simultaneously like the people who are in my audience who are in the know like they take that bitterness and they turn it into a meme you know because now it's like every single video has comments under like I can't believe you give this a 40 and you gave this other [ __ ] album an 11 you know it's like making fun of that whole mentality of just being like bitter over these score comparisons right yeah so but do you sometimes feel like you're being crushed under the weight of the knowledge that your opinions are being consumed by a huge amount of people because like when you go to a mature review of the new Kendrick album oh so that good view was I think that's like sitting around like 1.3 million so that's insane that it's netted a million really fast right and you and you knew even when you're doing it this is probably going to do a million right yeah for sure which is insane to think about if I did two million so if we're going to get at least a million right so when you're making that review is this is this in your head like oh like there's a there are a lot of people who are going to see this the number one don't know anything about me but don't watch my videos normally and that to them Kendrick Lamar's their whole world and he's hip hop's great hope is that way upon you that on your shoulders you know honestly like kind of kind of not really because I had been praising his material already up until that point I was an early adopter of his stuff so right you know I felt like there was enough of a rapport at that point where I came out early and said section 8 he's great I came out you know and said good kid maad city is fantastic but I think he can do better I felt like my prediction was proven true onto the blue butterfly which I gave a 10 so I mean you know whatever my opinion was going to be whether it was another 10 or a 2 I felt like at that point I had enough of a rapport we're like okay listen I know this artist I've listened to this artist I love his albums you know and I know that I have at least a base understanding of what he's about and what he's capable of and you know I can capably analyze his music so you know and you know that's just for you to just kind of take in and either agree with it or disagree with it you know all that weight and everything doesn't really sort of like hit me because I was sort of a fan of him before anybody was being like oh he's the next you know right so he did give him a four you feel like well I kind of I deserve I earned the right to give him a four although that certainly wouldn't be what people were saying if you actually did do I net him over at South by Southwest I thought it would be very familiar with your videos he I didn't I didn't see here's the thing me and my wife were at my girlfriend at the time now wife we were trying to see him that was shortly after section.80 came out oh so all the ways I've done okay yeah and he kept [ __ ] dippin on his sets and I think I went to three sets trying to catch him and he didn't show up to any of them and then the third one I just like you know we stormed out the back and I was pissed I'm like when I'm going to see this [ __ ] you know and then we're in the back alleyway behind this venue on 6th Street and then he's like needle dropped section.80 review and then I turned around and he's well you know this like short dudes like hey man I've watched her review I loved it and I said oh cool and some dude was taking pictures somewhere out there those pictures of me and him and really yes well I've no clue who the [ __ ] was taking pictures of some dude was take that's where I'm into that and you know he said and again remember this is shortly after section 80 and it was funny because at the time I wasn't thinking of his potential or anything or any of that I was mostly just mad that I couldn't see him live du-shaunt like that was the first thing in my eyes wanted to see how he was loved exactly I liked the album but who knows what he's gonna be like laughs but he said to me like hey man this next record I'm really going to challenge you guys this next record you know I'm doing something really ambitious with this next album and you know at the time I wasn't really thinking about that as much as I was like I just really wanted to see why yeah but you know like once good kid maad city finally came out and I heard the whole thing I was like wow you know you like really you really like you know really delivered on his promise hmm yeah that was a gigantic album like it's it's almost it's weird for most people because like at this point most people that I know don't think about a Kendrick Lamar before good kid maad city like that's like a dead a dead zone like unless you're like a very hardcore hip-hop guys like most fans of him like know about and those best songs on their high powers great song yeah that's going it's a really good one yeah there's another one - is it [ __ ] president some [ __ ] I forget I've I listened to that era Kendrick very little so I was a little bit later on all that yeah but okay so is there is that a false equivalency thing where people say like you gave damn a seven and you gave Lily a DS mixtape of seven like are those different sevens I think it depends on what kind of artists they are you know honestly I think Kendrick and yadi are two totally different kinds of art is making very different styles of rap music because it's literally on a scale right Kendrick was seven for him honestly like the scale is just an enjoyment scale okay you know like yeah you can compare them but only in terms of like am i enjoying them equally you know but I'm enjoying them for different reasons right I mean if you're going to throw a score on them in the sense that you're trying to objectively grade them as opposed to just giving it a score for you know based on how much you enjoy it then you know to me it would be like comparing let's say a seven if you gave a seven to a converge album versus if you gave a seven to a Nickelback album you know they're both obviously rock bands but they're both playing two incredibly different styles of rock music you know and to me that's like how almost how far the divide and hip-hop is right now because you have artists that are super lyrical super conscious you have artists who are you know doing the glitzy glamorous overblown like her sighs trap thing you have artists like you know who are these grimy you know SoundCloud [ __ ] who are doing this way out like super aggressive overblown [ __ ] like there's so many different sounds going on right now bro and it's like it's just getting more and more diverse every year um you know even with trap sort of continually for you know almost a decade now being this like ongoing almost non-stop force which you know it when it gets ten years old I mean there aren't too many music trends that last old that last beyond a decade you know what I mean or at least are as relevant beyond the decade but don't you feel like you're maybe throwing too wide of a net on what trap is because isn't trap at the end of the day just gangster rap and at the end of the day trap is not really that different than like a Atlanta sized mob deep you know ten years later oh sure I could I hear that I mean there's that's definitely a point I guess what I'm trying to say is there are a lot of as far as fundamentals in terms of instrumental production and rap flow that I think were such a sea change on like traffic on like Flocka Valley okay so example yeah that you know those sounds are still like ringing true to this day you know like we were just in that Club just a few hours ago they were playing two cuts off of that of that album and everybody you know it blended in so seamlessly with everything else that was true laying you know it's like you know they played hard in the paint and it didn't sound weird back to back with you know all of the new trap stuff you know and that's because again a lot of those same musical instrumentals are still at play you know in a way that a lot of the same musical instrumental you know a lot of the same musical fundamentals were at play through the whole hair metal era of the 80s you know and I think that's kind of the same thing that's going on right now I think we're kind of on the cusp of you know what's going to be kind of a different sort of aesthetic and kind of maybe a mood change to which I think guys like xxx are sort of at the forefront of you have these dudes who are like so dark and emo and [ __ ] like you know alternative and off the beaten path see I've not as much I've spent thinking about you know SoundCloud rap and the sort of style of rap that you know xxx and little pomp and so-and-so embody I hadn't previously thought of that as like an alternative to twenty one savage aesthetically in the sense of twenty one like you can draw a really straight line between Gucci and Jeezy 221 in my opinion and they like walk all along the way T I along the way like there's like a very very straight line I wanting one I would say twenty-one is kind of a part of the alternative to if we're talking like who's the mainstream of the mainstream I would say future okay I would say Drake I just mean that like twenty one you know when I think a trap and I think of Gucci and Jeezy and then I look at 21 to me he's like a very like he's a traditionalist in the format that they sort of created and the doesn't stray too far from that but then you look at X and well aplomb and stuff is like they're going in a very different direction but I've I haven't given a ton of thought to like what it might look like if somebody like if that sound became the mainstream sound like a 21 Savage sound no like a xxx sound is if they're like really aggressive but I guess that's kind of the question is like you know it's like you have Nirvana and then you sort of had like you know corn and like Limp Bizkit I think kind of offered like if it could if Rock could sort of reach that trajectory I think hip-hop can reach that trajectory because I mean right now hip-hop is sort of carrying the torch of viscera and rebellion that rock used to and it's kind of in a way kind of given up on right um you know it's again it's like really rappers that are kind of carrying that torch with this new era of like very visceral very like it's not it's very physical it's not very mental you know what it's very aggressive right um you know they're embodying that more than I think a lot of new rock bands are who are either kind of doing like the glazed over laid back like hey let's just try to be the next Dream Rock jangling Mac DeMarco band yeah whether you even see as like trends or think you know movements within like rock music because I was talking to some documentary crew earlier today and they would say you know talking about that kind of stuff and I said like the same kid that would have listened to Nirvana and 95 is like probably going to be a xxx fan these days or something along those lines like like all these former like interest groups seem like just funneling into hip-hop and then give them or directly when you look like a suicide boy as a ghost main guys like this is like these are dudes were literally were in bands a few years ago and and largely are just moving into rap anyway that the Beastie Boys are in a punk band before you know David was gotta wear a punk band every on right yeah they were a punk band before they started you know recording rap music you know yeah so it's kind of like the mirror house yeah it's like a direct change but like yeah I don't know it says it's so strange to see that happening because okay like it's easy for us to look at converge and Nickleback it say like there's there's no similarities or at least the similarities are not worth discussing right now in general conversation but then in hip-hop there's a huge there's always been a push against labels because you know like when people start to say that like oh you know Master P or [ __ ] Cash Money they're not really true hip-hop the movement wasn't to say like okay well we're going to start our own thing and it's going to be called this the movement was nowhere this is all rap this is all hip-hop and as I haven't seen people really embrace genres in the same way we would like aggressive music with hardcore metal it's like genres are everything no it's true I mean I think I'm I think part of that is due to due to the fact that the press has been kind of a little lenient on labeling things and just kind of letting it all kind of sit under the hip hop window you know because I think the the writer community is sort of largely to blame for you know the way things get labeled Plus also you know a lot of these labels and things they sort of evolve later you know because there are early new wave compilations where you can hear since pop bands or Ramones you know maybe like a reggae band or something or you know like a band like the police all on like the same compilation or bands similar to those bands on the same compilation and that's because early on it was all new wave right you know so uh you know sometimes like these terms and everything they kind of take a while to develop you know certainly people have taken to the term industrial hip-hop you know K heard that two months listen trophy I mean you know like Death Grips clipping you know there's there's certainly a track off the new injury reserve that I thought kind of fit that fit that tone you know there are a lot of these like new noise rappers you know before even xxx was the thing that a you know sort of fallen under this industrial hip-hop sort of banner which you know a lot of people I'm you know say that the reason that that kind of popped off in 2011 and 2012 is uh why Kanye kind of went in the direction that heated with eases mm-hmm but you think that foreshadows this a lot of the sound was coming out of Florida right now with the overdone bass and everything absolutely I also think in a way it kind of means and force it to because you know they're kind of that weird like bass boost me right I love that I don't know how to do that like what you have to do and final cut to make that happen you can do it in a lot of different programs I know and like on Mac like in a soundtrack Pro program it's pretty easy to do okay I like the one with famous Dutchman is doing his ad-libs definitely made a break oh my god I love that was so funny I like the bass boost meme - I was talking about my buddies about it because you know there's some memes that like can go mainstream and go super Normie but I feel like that's a meme that's always going to be inherently sort of underground because you're always going to have your average person who doesn't want to hear a big fat distorted blast of sound in their lives so what is the mean call where it's like zoomed in on the face and the eyes are all little lit up and glow is there I don't know what that's called but I associate that with the bass boosted means yeah ya know that people definitely like mix those two memes together yeah yeah they go together great yeah I get they're really good and it's like a program that you I don't know how you know there's some friends of mine who are deep into memes who are even asked me like do you know how to make the eye soap yeah right like is there a way to do that that isn't just like going and laboriously doing it at Photoshop or is there an easy lazy [ __ ] way to do it on your phone if there is let us know and like you know the mean of like all memes having to look like I don't know what people really call it what I call it like deep fried means they look like they've been like repost about 18 different Android users yeah like I'd like fed through 50 different like a gram filter how do you get to that I just realized I'm all banded up in there look like a total [ __ ] douchebag I think basically a you know I I think honestly I could make one all you got to do is just like you know kiddo 1800 [ __ ] going to edit on Instagram and before you post it just press the X but when you're you know instead of discarding it save it and take that save and then feed it through Instagram again and if you do that like maybe four times you'll get like a nice deep-fried meme yeah okay this is like a recipe but yeah I'm giving you guys the this is a meme recipe show so what was the impetus for you start in the meme channel because I enjoy it a lot and I could certainly see how you would want to like find a different way to make content that wasn't putting you into such a rigid formula as your day-to-day reviews it was a mix of different things I mean it's partially exactly what you said I mean the that is the plan no plan is is what the plan is so I mean you know I guess I kind of got into such a regimen with the needle drop and it's so methodical at this point you know that of course I need to think about reviews and put effort into reviews but like you know when I go into a review I know it's going to be when I come out of it you know it's not like any question you know there's like a formula to it that seems to be working for me seem to be working with my audience you know maybe if it seems like I need to change in the future then I'll try to make that change the best that I can but as of right now it's not really anything I need to sort of change it's not broken don't fix it but you know like that can be a little kind of mind-numbing and uninspiring to just kind of subject yourself to the same process of just like I'm doing the same thing every day for the rest of my life over and over you think a little up um not really well I mean of course I think about it but then I find a way to sort of create an outlet for it and you know that is the plan is essentially that outlet to just be like okay let's like reset and just do something that as far as like writing or planning there's like very little writing or planning in it at all you know it's just like I just come up with a dumb idea and if when I think of the idea and I tell the idea to a few friends of mine like they laughs like we think the idea the concept of just itself is funny then I'm like okay let's just like do a weird improvisation based off of it and then just like you know get a buddy of mine to just like do a bunch of weird crazy [ __ ] up edits that he and I sort of talked a little bit about and you know he'll send them my way maybe I'll add some more like afterwards and post and you know there's also a this kid from Brazil shout-out to vapor rub boy who edit some videos on the channel - and some his edits are [ __ ] insane like grew between me and my buddy Austin who edit a lot of the videos on the channel and we both like some weird zany edits on the videos so nice your only employee bus go I'll try the other buddy in my name Jeremy who had it's a lot of videos on the needle drop channel shout out to Jeremy but at this point dudu almost none almost no editing yeah I do a little editing but most of the editing is offset I used to do all the editing but then the thing is like you know really taxing it is really taxing but you know now I'm just like pace on my friends - do you have to do editing but this kid like he approached us and emailed me and was like hey man I really love your YouTube channel I'm from Brazil you know I edit - and you know here's someone like my meme videos and I was like you know okay you know it seems like cool hand him a few videos and just kind of see what he does and he came through with these [ __ ] insane [ __ ] videos like if you check out my meme channel and look up these rapper videos like I have these three videos uh Hopson is the greatest rapper J Cole is the greatest rapper and xxx is the greatest rapper and like they're like these weird psychedelic trippy [ __ ] out there odyssey's like in the Jay Cole one I am talking about in my previous video I claimed Hobson was greatest rapper of all time but I got a bunch of comments let me know J Cole is so you know I like but grudgingly and sort of you know very skeptically listen to some J Cole and then all of a sudden my mind explodes and I'm all of a sudden very intelligent and I reach the seventh level of Lok okay and um you know then from there I'm saying things like PewDiePie to 911 and you know chemtrails and uh and so how was this like would this have been a pretty bland video if you have edited and done like a sort of rigid job of it but he did it and he took it to a whole different level you know he has ideas that I would never think of you know I could sit there and tediously come up with insane [ __ ] edits like every other thing but the thing is I have reviews to do you know I can't just like sync my entire you know day into doing that as much as I would because sometimes editing like that is really fun mmm just being just having the time to sort of sit there and come up with the crazy ideas and you know the weird explosions and you know like um doing bass boost but if you want to be a youtuber in 26 or 2017 it's basically like oh you you can't do any creative editing because like if you want to be a daily youtuber these days is very hard to pull that off it is very hard to pull that off and you know also like you know part of another thing with that is the plan is not to be daily right you know like put out a video every three or four days I would like the videos to be more like you know it's so easy for me to do daily content on the needle drop because it's just informational you know it's not flashy editing or anything like that like I kind of want these videos to be sort of perceived as like you know pieces of art in a way and you don't have to be more slowly digested you know and obviously there are some [ __ ] post videos on there that you know are less edit intensive and are just being like trying to make an ass of myself like and sometimes they blow up like for some reason like I made a video where it was just kind of this straight almost on you know very lightly edited [ __ ] post where I talked about the reason I left BuzzFeed you know even I've never worked it but a lot so I forget what you talked about though yeah but everybody's reeling why I left both food videos exactly so it was just like kind of making fun of that meme and just like beating myself with a belt as if like that like there's slave drivers over at BuzzFeed right yeah did you ever think about going again in the job of somewhere like BuzzFeed you ever have those offers to like go be an editor at some web site or something I've gotten like early on before the needle drop like really really really took off like there was this website that was offering like salary me for like 60 grand a year and moved me out to New York to sort of do what I do for that website full-time right and I turned it down and I'm glad I did because I think I've been able to take it farther you know as far as a brand just on my own that I would have sort of under the umbrella of another sort of more established brand - totally I probably would have gone crazy having a [ __ ] fit into somebody else's idea of how you're supposed to be content right absolutely you know I think it would have been it that was kind of early on you know as well so it's like I think I've grown a lot as a content creator since then right a lot of what you know and a lot of that growth probably would have either been inhibited or altered in some kind of way had it been under the guise of a boss per se have you ever because I think one of the things and one of the reasons why people are so quick to say to be critical of you it's because there's just not that many people in the spotlight who are doing what you do and that seemed strange to me I feel like you would get a lot less criticism if there were like ten other reasonably popular people who were doing something like very very similar to what you do but I can't I can't think of that many and what do you think that is that holds people back from sort of seat because to me it's like if I was if I was like a 21 year old kid who just really like music and I didn't have anything going on right now I feel like I would be looking at your YouTube channel and being like okay I'm going to literally just rip that off and do my own version of that I mean there are other youtubers out there who have some good music channels you know who who I enjoy like some shout out to dead and hip-hop yeah a large there's film also big Quinn also Sean see you know Zaius is a reaction channel that I've sort of stumbled upon recently that I've been watching some videos from you know into also a spectrum pulse also a RTV you know and there are others that I'm forgetting as well that you know I apologize I'm of you know it's late and I can't remember all of them but you know the ones that that I like the most have a very different format from mine like dead end hip hop you know the thing is like you know podcast us correct it is you know I mean I don't know I like their style of women I like what they do I think it's fun I mean why is it that I'm in the position that I am as far as views and I just broke a million subscribers why am I the only you know music reviewer were the million subscribers I don't know you know honestly like I think it's all I can say is like what I'm doing and what makes what I'm doing work you know I can't really speak for what's not working about dead and hip-hop you know because honestly like when I look at that channel I think everything is working I enjoy the [ __ ] out of that channel you know it's kind of really up to whether or not anybody else enjoys the channel you know which a lot of other people do you know I know for me it's really about just consistency its of quality and also consistency of output it's about you know being sort of there when something drops it's about being timely as well you know I do my best when a big record comes out to have my review out that week you know like once you you know if a huge record comes out and you put out that review like two weeks three weeks after the album is actually dropped you're looking at like probably half the views that you would have done if we you know actually release the review the week it came out you know like maybe that's offset a little bit by the fact that Channel as as big as it is so when maybe when people who are fans of the band you know it kind of goes through the grapevine like hey that sold at this point but you just talked about it now like why not check it out but the thing is like with the way people digest music now it's like it's so fast that you need to be talking about things as they release almost which is why like you know a lot of these reaction channels have taken off because they can even talk about things faster than me um however you know there's definitely an audience and definitely a demand for I guess the way that I'm breaking down albums right because while the reaction channels are good and there are a lot of people who watch both them and me but most of us laughing yeah I mean some of them are some of them are you know some of them like do offer some decent commentary and you know some of them go the extra mile to like especially with the Kendrick album that just came out they'll do reaction and then three days later it'll be like okay this is what I like really think about it now that I've had a few days to listen to it or whatever and that's actually what some people are asking of me like with that record and with some other records too but personally it's like I don't want to spoil anything number one and number two you know sometimes there are at you know sometimes within like the four to six out you know listening period that I do on an album sometimes between the you know three four five days six day listening period that I have with an album I do 180 after 180 after 180 freely and it's not until like I actually get everything written down and I organize my thoughts that I'm like okay now it makes sense you know now I have like a grip of what I'm actually listening to right now and why and what it is about the album that I either like or dislike you know and so much so that I can put it out there and explain it to my audience clearly when I was listening to the Kendrick album I remember thinking myself like I'm I'm excited to listen to Anthony's review this later just because I'm like interested like like in a small part that was like why I was listening to it was like not just yours but like in general like there's going to be a New York Times article about this I want to be able to read it and be able to enjoy that art as well which is not going to be able to enjoy unless I've listened to the album a couple of times and sort of at least start to get you know an idea of what I think of it and then it's weird to be but because I really don't envy what you have to do because I still feel like what with what I'm doing I'm able to mostly and do a music on a very like primal level and not have to like clarify what I think of it like you know I like the Kendrick album but I couldn't like sit here and [ __ ] list off reasons why you know which I am but I also look at what you're doing and I think that's pretty cool because you know you're being incentivized to come up with like a more orderly version of what your your thoughts are on the art you're taking in so you know kind of like when somebody like me especially I was like a complete [ __ ] memory is like you know a lot of times I listen to an album once or twice and then it just sort of fades into the ether of my brain and I don't really remember it it is one literature but simultaneously you know I like that I've sort of put myself through it because I feel like I get more out of music than I used to because I really know what I'm looking for I'm listening to things more attentively than I used to hmm you know it's not just kind of like this passive thing for me at this point you know there are some records that you know I used to love that I real issen to them now that I'm like oh why would I ever like that you know and not in the sense of like oh I used to like listen to some shitty edgy music when I was a teenager I just mean like you know some of the stuff that I might have liked in college or something that like now I think is like mediocre now that I see in the grander scheme of things right but you know it's actually at this point like I could listen to damn just as casually as anything else you know but if there's one thing I hate having to listen to sort of in a critics head and have to analyze is just like classic stuff you know because honestly like some of that stuff I'd rather just enjoy casually and not have to think about it in that way but you don't need that very often I always mentioned earlier I do like a you know a full week of classic week once a year it's really all I can take okay you know like it's kind of fun to see the reactions and everything and I do it because people asked for it but it's like it's not a huge traffic driver to the channel because it's kind of like you know I could review like let's say I don't know Prince's sign of the times but there's not like a whole rush of people searching for that album boy I'm kind of like you know at the merch whether or not people just are kind of casually looking it up to maybe hear a song or just you know looking up a prince interview or something and maybe see my review and like oh okay sure why not but it's not a big part of the thing that drives you to go and do a code a black review is knowing the codec black has you know ten songs that have like you know 20 million plays probably and they pop in a few sidebar to a huge part of YouTube is tentpole programming yeah you know this idea that you release a video that is about or is somehow connected to an event an album release is an event right and this is something that I didn't know I was doing or I didn't understand was a thing until like maybe years eight years later after it was you know working for me and I'd read the YouTube playbook or whether because they used that phrase in a tentpole thing in the x1 on YouTube got a read one time yeah so it's like you know it's tentpole programming you know as far as what they call it you know so it's like my reviews are centered around the album release you know that's essentially the event that what I'm talking about you know it doesn't it because it's kind of like a perverse incentive there in a sense because it really encourages you to review popular artists who do have a lot of views and are going to pop you up in the sidebar in comparison to maybe stuff that you like more but that isn't going to get as many views as you ever feel like there's sort of like a weird game going on there where you're kind of incentivized to review the codec black album because you know it's going to get a shitload of views even though that's not your favorite artist as of right now you know I have maybe five or four albums on the docket that I want to review and nobody's really asking me to review them other than me it's just kind of out of my own personal interest and over the next few weeks fitting them in is definitely workable you know I mean as of right now the only kind of way that sort of manifests itself is that if kodak black drops a new album will I decide not to review an artist like you know shoutout to Billy woods who is this sort of obscure New York rapper who's got a really kind of unique style that I like a lot I mean I'm definitely going to review his album you know but what might happen is that the Kodak blackout gets reviewed a day later you know I mean the Billy woods um gets reviewed a day later or a week later because honestly once that album comes out there's not a million people searching for it anyway right you know you know and that's not to say that Billy doesn't have a fan base in that you know that he's not talented you know but the thing is he doesn't his fans don't need me to tell them to go check out the record you know really when I put that review out it's mostly going to be for hopefully you know some tens of thousands of people who watch me who aren't familiar with him click on it just out of curiosity that is another review and you know check them out you know so you know I do fit in my opportunities to review more obscure stuff review stuff like injury reserve for example because honestly like you know while sure you know I have to review the Kodak black record I have to review the new future record I have to review you know whatever whether I like it or not because honestly there's a lot of mainstream stuff that I like you know still I would go absolutely insane if I didn't give myself not an opportunity and a chance to review something more obscure and review something that I'm really passionate about and honestly you know as much as it looks like on the surface that yeah obviously he reviews Kodak black because that's going to get a lot of traffic when I review the obscure stuff it's just as essential if not more essential because when I'm sort of going on that path I'm curating and I'm turning people on to something that they hadn't heard before and that actually creates a sort of level of intimacy and devotion that wouldn't be there if I was just reviewing mainstream artists that everybody knew and everybody already knew what their thoughts were on right you know once you've turned somebody on to something an idea a sound a song a piece of art that changes their minds or alters their worldview like you're a part of that process you're a part of that sort of life-changing process that people sort of attribute to you now from there on in um you know somebody in radio I think an NPR once told me that people will forget what they heard but they'll remember where they heard it and you know that's very much you know the same thing if I ask people you know it's like you know name all these albums I turned you onto or name my opinion on whatever you know that the Tommy they follow me you know religious you know sometimes people can't name stuff off their head but they remember that they've had all these experiences watching my videos right they remember that they've had these positive experiences being turned on to these artists and now look at music a different way than they used to before because usually your memories aren't so much specific events it's like little things about you felt or like you know that you think about your vacation that you went on if you want a nice long vacation and some [ __ ] island or whatever and you try to think about it it's like you don't have enough space in your brain to fully comprehend that remember every how everything right you might remember a [ __ ] margarita or like remember what the water felt like and just have that sort of overall positive medley of thoughts in your head which is kind of like the way that a lot of people take in music too which is kind of like do you feel like you're on sort of a different level than the average person because like okay the average person they listen to the Kotick Black Album and like you know we're talking about young people for the most part but you know that wasn't a Kodak and it's like the beats seem nice his voice is nice he's got a few funny lines here and there to stand out to them you have some catchy hooks a lot of the average rap fan like doesn't necessarily feel the need to take it beyond that you know and then like sometimes do you feel like you're sort of missing out on something because when you listen to an album you are kind of not able to take it in in a guttural way I mean I think I think it's everybody else is missing out on something personally I mean I do think I am on a different level but not in a pretentious like you can't be in my level kind of way I mean I'm on a different level because it's kind of my job to be I have to be I can't be any other way right um you know I listen I I was just at that show with you and I was listening to [ __ ] stuff that you know and having a good time that maybe if I had to review it and really like super skeptical of it and you know have to learn dish out all these critiques right but that's just the position that I'm in that's what I have to do that's my job you know it's really easy to kind of just turn it on and turn off depending on what you know the context is and you know a lot of the stuff that I review and I've said this in numerous reviews and I'll say it in every review but like you know I say explicitly like this sounds like it would make way more sense in the [ __ ] club and lo and behold it does right you know the thing is like some music just isn't like headphone music some music just isn't like you know when you're reviewing something you're inherently going at it from an analytical you know sort of angle and some music doesn't stand up to analyzation like the playboy cardioverted Mirza number one that like you know it sounds real good if you're not paying that much attention but as soon as you have to look at it from the reviewers perspective it's kind of like well you know we had a chance to say something interesting here and he didn't really do it that was my that was my exact critique of like that playlist that Drake came out with not too long ago right you know the thing is like it sounds like good sort of wallpaper kind of background kind of music but like when you actually dive into it the songs are kind of scant and skeletal you know there's not a whole lot of substance to what you know was going on there at least not as much as he gave us on like previous projects like take care right um you know if you're reading this is too late you know there's definitely not a whole lot of substance there lyrically and honestly like I find it kind of weird that it's considered a Drake project even though there are a number of tracks on them that don't really have that much Drake presence right now as opposed to like Jews from the six where he's still really trying to like make a point about himself he's really telling me something about himself here yeah exactly so you know and that's really what makes it more of a player's right it's almost it feels different with the intent and you know despite the fact that I didn't really care for it again in my review I said that you know he's almost in a way geniusly acknowledging the way that a lot of people are listening to music now you know a lot of people are looking for like really passive music you know much in the same way that like you know it in a way it kind of functions in the same way that ambient music does you know if you can kind of dance to it or just kind of have like a chill vibe to it or just like you know um have a good time to it metal is kind of like more like mood music in a sense too because like you know people listen to metal quite often aren't like studying the lyric sheet and remembering all these lyrics that you can't tell what they're saying unless you really pay attention right absolutely you know it sort of depends on kind of what that mood is that you're going for right you know it's just kind of like a you know there's a lot of black metal that just kind of has like a very hellish wintry bright brittle sound to it if me and you were going to listen to it that sounds yeah we're going to saw all black metal album right now like I feel like we would enjoy it from a you know a mood perspective it's cool sounding but like you know is it on the level of fandom that I'm gonna sit there with a layer sheet and try to figure out what the theme of these records were but you know it serves a certain function where it's I would depend you will have to okay that's how you choose to take on music right you know I get I guess like the music would have to be like really good for me to be sitting down there with the lyric sheet right like I was definitely into the lyrics on the new behemoth record the Satanist huh which is like a very like dark conceptual album which uh the lead singer came out with and wrote after he had like a bit of a bout with cancer really so like he came back from you know like the this cancer remission and wrote like you know the band's one of the band's best album wow that's cool yeah I didn't know that yeah yeah like that was kind of what caused me to get out of like hardcore at a certain point in my life was just that like I felt like I was just seeing sort of like the same story pan out with all these straightedge bands like over and over again and after like a third like generation of that like it was coming in not that interested in this and like rap kind of appeals to me like sonically more so I sort of ended up falling out of it and I would assume that that effect is almost kind of amplified for something like metal or but okay so do you feel like were you already that kind of person before you started doing the reviews were you already a person who is exhibiting music reviewer esque traits in the way you were consuming music um you know I guess the way that I consume music before I just wanted to listen to stuff that was off the beam path an eclectic and underground I mean really kind of like punk was a big turning point for me because it kind of dawned on me that there was this obscure underground version of this genre that I liked but it was like way cooler and way edgier and it seemed like the lyrics were really trying to say something and then it kind of you know came in my head or that this must be true for every genre you know there must be some kind of like cool obscure underground groups that you know in electronic music and and hip hop and you know at the time in the 90s as you remember like they played everything on the radio you know there was like a lot of great popular mainstream electronic music and rap music and rock music like there was no shortage of good music around but you know just the fact that there was this sort of more obscure sort of take on this thing that I already knew that I liked and it was like in a way some kind of more potent yeah now much in the same way you know hardcore is like when you first stumble upon it when you first find it because like in that style of music it's kind of incomparable in terms of like size of emotion you know in terms of like emotional presence or emotional delivery or aggression or like you know kind of what the the lyrics are trying to say in terms of like self affirmation you know in a lot of those bands you know you don't quite get that same jolt from you know a lot of other genres of music right I mean obviously you know it can grow old if nobody's coming up with anything new or you know if you want to hear that sound or get that vibe again you just listen to something old that you know you already liked or played a significant role in your life and kind of hit you first right um but uh but you know I've always kind of like wanted to hear kind of obscure stuff I've always wanted to hear like you know something new something refreshing and I feel like that is very much still the way that I listen to things I'm definitely not I definitely was not as analytical as I am now for sure um but you know I would still pick you though I was still kind of picky but maybe not as much as I am now because I've heard so much stuff but still though I feel like that sort of just drives me more to find something I do like mm-hmm because since I've started I really haven't actually since I started I've only gotten better at finding more stuff that I like okay you know and actually like you know while it can sometimes feel like you know there's nothing new and who's going to come up with something new and you know everything's been done um you know there's always like a moment when I find some kind of band camp that somebody throws me or I find some SoundCloud or you know miraculously somebody who I know at a label recommend something to me like hey we just sign this new artist Susan with some kind of cool and off-the-beaten-path or you know even um I've done a few tours speaking engagement tours down in Australia hmm and it's funny how much music over there is so unique and weird and they're completely doing their own thing out there that's totally separate from we're doing like down there the music scene like there's a little bit of hip-hop but like it's so not a cultural force down there right and as a result like the flavors and the sound of rock music and psychedelic music and even electronic music or just like way different way weirder like I feel like because those genres still had room to kind of grow and flourish down there some of them have kind of mutated in ways that they haven't over here right so in a way like you know if you want to listen to maybe some cutting-edge rock music you've got to kind of look at Australia because again they're sort of like separate off doing their own thing and like the way that their radio stations work where they have to play like new stuff they have to play cutting-edge stuff they have to play local music like happy - oh they have to write legally in Australia you don't have to play like you know the government radio stations they have to be playing local new Australian music for so many hours a day right and the college of a school and the local stations and the college stations down there are pretty big too you know the community supports them because they are like a pretty significant part of the community and like spreading the word about music in the area because they sort of have that support system like there is some like really weird cool stuff going on down there so you know I'm always interested in hearing kind of weird new cool things as I said but a but again you know definitely not as an igloo analytical as I am as I am now see it's it's where for somebody like me because my gumption is to just you know listen to trap rap and to listen to rap in general and you know I listen to stuff that sort of outside of the trap category but for the most part you know I tend to be a person that wants to listen to you know 800 different rappers from Chicago this year to try to figure out what's up with them and we were you you know when you were into punk and stuff we were the kind of guy who wanted to have a [ __ ] seven-inch from every single I wanted to hear all the punk bands right but so you weren't you might listen to Beyonce of time like months ago I had to at one point just like you know go into a external hard drive and just delete like hundreds and hundreds of like punk songs that I just randomly like you know downloaded and listened to and you know it's funny like going back to a lot of them like man some of this [ __ ] sounds oh yeah good you know the thing is at the time it was just all like so unique you know what I mean but now but of course like you know I still love this stuff in that genre that stands out to me if you picked up a copy of maximum I can roll and you listen to every single band in it you can tell the difference between I know for sure sure in my personal opinion and I used to actually try to read that [ __ ] just because I was sort of fascinated by the writers trying to like describe the music as anything other than like oh yeah this sounds like the other eight seven inches for this yes no offense of the punk community that's just sort of what kind of got me out of it yeah so when it's like Oh hip hop is so big hip hop destroyed rock rock I'm like yeah because on a personal level it almost like offers such a variety of sounds but it sort of made me less interested in rock you know honestly like the thing is is that hip hop is going to paint itself into a corner just like every other genre of music but the thing is like hip hop especially right now sort of that visceral aggressive kind of rebellious vibe that we're talking about like that's going to live on because that's that transcends the music itself that next generation is going to have you know a fire in its belly and it's going to have an anger and it's going to have sort of unhappiness it's going to have something that with the status quo they're going to say look at all those pocket eruptions going to have something it's sick of and that's going to manifest it's it's gonna manifest itself into something else you know kids today their parents are cool and then they listen to Sonic Youth right and you know that's not what they want to remove all percentage of like little pumps like fourteen-year-old fanbase I think their parents are listen to Sonic Youth but I'm hugely in favor of that dynamic unfolding exactly but that's the thing it's like listening to something like Sonic Youth isn't weird or rebellious or any more you know it's like your parents are hearing about you know the new Thurston Moore album on NPR no it's not it's not like you know it's not a young thing anymore right um you know surely there are kids that you know still like rock music you know a lot of them watch my channel but a you know it's not the new trend it's not the prevailing thing I like now though that it seems like there are less rules I mean surely there are trends but it seems like if you do kind of want to be free to go off and do your own thing you can you know it's really easy to you know while rock music again may not be the prevailing thing there's still plenty of bands out there making rock music so you know there's certainly a lot of new bands to listen to if you want to hear new band they're certainly a you know a lot of older records to listen to as well you know I think a you know part of the problem with rock music kind of stagnating is that unlike hip-hop right now and maybe rap will get to this point one day but unlike hip-hop rock is really obsessed with its past really obsessed with its past hip-hop hates its best hip-hop sort of wants to beat up its past you know but the thing is it's not like there's not voices in the community trying to change that that that sort of prevailing trend though you know there certainly are you know but a lot of rap music and a lot of punk music scratch that a lot of rap music in this decade ignored sort of the rules and ignore and you know ignore the tradition and sort of broke with tradition in this decade much in the same way that punk and hair metal did in the 80s so now we're arriving at your lil yachty is the new punk rock video not like rock has ever been beyond you know sort of being in a position where it ignored or it shut down or threw away its past to create something new you know it's not like Rock has never done that I'm saying this specific time and rocks me in rock music's in rock music history there are very few musicians who aren't trying to do something purposefully that's already been done because they want to create some kind of nostalgia right whether that be a Jack white who wants to do a little bit of blues rock or you know a a slave's that wants to sound like some kind of reinvented subversion of The Sex Pistols or you know another band that wants to sound like the umpteenth version of Joy Division that we've heard again and again and again they're very few bands out there that are truly trying to do something brand new and even when they are there's not a huge audience for it you know there certainly if I go through my review catalog I could name probably dozens of rock bands who I think are doing something totally refreshing and really different but the thing is like again the audience isn't quite there for it because again I think that rebellious Ness and that drive to do something different and drive the through rep throw off the status quo it's being manifested there you know there was that like gigantic EDM explosion of a few years ago where it was sort of like we're looking like it was going to go on forever right and it was sort of like a weird moment where I sort of started to feel like oh for the first time in my life like the like rap music seems like it might be like unseated as the leader of what was big in the culture and everything and now I feel like there's been a big element of people pulling back away from that as and a lot of that is these people being driven away from my EDM and pop music and being driven into the arms of rap because there's so many sounds being offered that those people can kind of find what they want out of rap right yeah the thing about EDM and a lot of that stuff is that um you know while there are a lot of good artists and people you know in that community who watch my show um you know ultimately to the audience a lot of it doesn't mean anything right you know that's the there's nothing sort of like as far as like emotional significance that they pull from any other Lalli soundtrack it's just a real practice yelling it's just a soundtrack to a party which you know is totally fine so a lot of ugh who knows if that's a if that's what you want to do it's completely fine you know it's like there's nothing wrong with like an album or a piece of music that serves a purpose you know or is functional you know to just like kind of illicit a mood or something you know but the thing is like people aren't listening to that in the same way that they do a Kendrick Lamar record where they're trying to establish some kind of emotional connection to what's going on right here you know like find some kind of hidden or deeper meaning or something well that's another thing about rock music - is that like all of the conversations about like Society on any kind of mainstream level in terms of politics and everything that almost exclusively plays out the rap like this it would be cool if we had like you know a rock movement that was stemming from you know like the horrible political climate that we're in and we haven't necessarily seen that right no not right now I wouldn't say I mean there are a couple but it's not like a significant thing you know I would like it say that we have come up I would like to see it come up as well you know there are a few artists out there who are but it's not a prevailing it's not a big thing you know and I think it might pretend although actually I think a couple of the new Arcade Fire tracks I mean despite the fact that I think they're not good or a little more political so we're the new LCD soundsystem tracks band like those either I thought those are terrible but to see a band like an emerging new band that's may be associated with a local scene and that has like a distinct like anger based on politics it seems like an open lane for some band I guess I guess the weird thing about it is is that I feel like we had this after the 90s when Indy blew up in the 2000s I like that almost kind of brought in a weird kind of a political era for rock music right very you know you had like kind of the Arcade Fire's and the Modest Mouse's and of monitor is so pretty it was very pretty and it was very fun but like there wasn't a message behind it you know and then you had sort of like the late era punk bands and pop punk bands who were sort of doing the whole Rock Against Bush thing you know that that message was definitely playing out there but the thing is like nobody really looks back on a lot of that stuff nostalgically it's the indie boom of that era that a lot of people look back on nostalgically right now the Interpol's of the world and everything and deer hunters and that was the last time i cared about rock music - pretty much was like that MGMT 2009 issue era that stuff like really a political well not a strong political just sounded really nice it was just straight pop music when you really think of it today it's just straight-up catchy songs they're kind of cute and nice I don't give a [ __ ] about who's in the band he's got a nice little English accent I'm talking like the Arctic Monkeys yep I had some songs with my [ __ ] playlists from that at that time absolutely I don't know why I had a girlfriend of the time that was more into like Indian stuff so I guess that probably was driving me to even be aware of that kind of stuff to which I don't I don't really have that she listened to John Mayer once in a while it's about I'm not gonna say I'm really like influenced by it so much got it what's doing is like once you have that long like almost like decade-long period of like a political rock music it's kind of hard for the genre to come right back in tribute okay we're gonna get back on our political [ __ ] because honestly I feel like that narrative has to kind of be fresh in people's minds for it to like continue to be a thing continue to be a trend it's kind of hard for me to imagine like rock bands being able to do the super political thing without coming off as kind of corny I think like anti-flag and then I think like know like but people don't want that right now but there's not a lot of political music in gentles it's not like we're really looking at that many big rap groups or rappers that are like really like big and honed in on social issues like yeah you got like a like a Jay Cole who yeah that's like a like a pretty central part of what he's talking about but it's like even as big as he is or you know chance is talking about stuff like that but it's certainly not like a central part of you know like those almost seem like exceptions when you consider most Vons - that is not so much to be political but kind of try to elicit kind of this general sense of positivity right the rap community I feel like that's kind of issues his way of kind of combating that and it's not sort of the positive sound that's just like it's positive by means of ignoring what's horrible you know it's like let's try to be positive in light of what's horrible and trans like terms to the church and like his stuff is very like gospel ish and that's like really what like when you think about the black community anything about charts it's like they are in shitty times quite often throughout our country's history and they end up sort of you know running to the church as a result because they don't want to face the reality of you know shitty their existence might be right or it just kind of gives people an understanding or a way of making sense of why things or shitty yeah you know which I think you know can have a positive outcome can have a negative outcome depending on you know how you interpret you know sort of religious texts you know which I think kind of the the kind of the sliding spectrum of that I think is exemplified on transitioning from to pimp a butterfly to damn you know because you have onto people butterfly you have a record where you know literally one of the biggest songs on there is alright which is you know quite frankly just you know directly put as long as God has this we're going to be alright this new record there's so many themes of hey like I'm trying to be religious I'm trying to do all the stuff in the name of God why are things so shitty even so you know God be having my back just like I said on that song from the last record because I don't feel like that's the case and that's where you kind of see some of those narratives coming from the black Israelite community on the album where he's talking about well you know the reason that things are shitty is because we're not on God's path so he's punishing us until we follow it properly but do you really believe that Kendrick is now like ascribed by subscribing to this really likes what I really don't know honestly yeah for because we have we haven't heard him talk about that it's just in the music I think is like we don't hear him talk a lot all that often I mean it's like some of the interviews I remember him doing around section 80 and good kid maad city like turned out really controversial for him because he was saying things like I don't think voting is good or you know my grandmother told me that the world is going to end soon and Beluga boy and quotes like that and kind of you know had some bad backlash for him we'll probably turn off the press in general because yeah although you know he has done some interviews for this new record over here he'd had that you know kind of fluffy Zane Lowe oh god I'm not really trying to hear them love these I know no offense I don't really know it came from necessarily but typically he does like the Apple music puff pieces that are just yeah but that's the kind of thing you can't expect like a gritty sort of you know kind of converse all travel news although he had he had that conversation with like um a Ruth Rick Rubin that was kind of interesting was at Kendrick oh okay a bit of a sit-down with Rick Rubin and they and they talked about a lot of stuff which is pretty cool right yeah but do you think that a certain point somebody like on his team said like hey Kendrick like your career will be better if you just kind of done absolutely you know or just like just avoid talking about X or Y or Z there's so many artists out there who can't seem to not put their foot in their mouth and you know their careers like really suffer because of it you know speaking of a great artist there was look at Ian and great art forms those a Ian Connor tweet that I saw one time where he said something like Kanye told me never talk about politics publicly and then that like like six months later you see kinda come out like and like endorse Donald Trump and like completely just do all this off-the-wall [ __ ] and I'm thinking I'm then thinking about Kanye telling he and gonner that and just thinking Kanye is like fully aware of like how bad it's gonna get with him if he talks about politics publicly because he's probably like a raving conspiracy theory like we've heard him in interviews would like but he doesn't typically go in on like politics so much but you can imagine if he did because then we've seen made up with Trump more like oh this is what happens when he actually is honest about his political beliefs with us sure no I mean you know honestly like at the end of the day I feel like we need to I feel like with musicians and artists that people praise like we kinda it's a bit of a halo effect you know you assume that because they make great music and we really kind of like them as people we sort of project onto them these good things that we sort of value ourselves like wow this person must think this and this person must think that and they must be like a really good person and so on and so forth or you know they must agree with me on off I think we're I like the music so much when like and honestly that extends to even people like me like you know I've talked about you know my politics and online on numerous occasions and it's actually pretty funny that you know how many people that because they feel like they identify with me because we like the same record or I've turned them on to a record they think they're surprised to hear me say like hey like it really sucks that we have tens of thousands of people who die every year because then I have access to health care and you know and it's really funny the the the fact that I review so much music I have people like from across the political spectrum like following me all the time you know I like from people like this girl hit me up once and said hey this like really like huge anarcho-capitalist guy who 3d prints guns is like a really big fan of you and I'm like oh that's amazed that snice and then you know and then also it's like simultaneously when I make fun of you know somebody like Anita sarkeesian for example like all these sjw's will come out of the wood writer to be like what the [ __ ] is wrong with you use Texas piece of [ __ ] so um you know I don't really vibe with with either side of that spectrum right well it's weird because if you come out and do anything that sort of puts you on a similar plane to the alright thing or they're alright these days like having a word to say about Anita sarkeesian is like that doesn't Nazi category these days sure absolutely you might as well be Hitler right you know and you know there's something someone said about me the other day where they're like I just look at your timeline and in the past two days you have two different tweets where you're criticizing women and I'm like okay well probably within that same span of time there was like many more tweets of me criticizing men and it's like I don't personally feel like I have anything in particular against women like one of the tweets was me insulted cardi B's music career so to me that's a pretty which I've done that too it's a pretty rational opinion to hold a scardy to be is trash radical a [ __ ] fray cardi B is on the cover of fader so she does have at least some influencers apparent good for her because I did not see that happening yeah but that annoys me and you'd have to assume that it would be the exact same effect like if I just so happen to have like two critical tweets about you know muslim-americans or something that possibly it's just you just get cooked for do you feel like you are at risk and that you often are sort of lumped in with some sort of like conservative or right-wing movement online just because you don't tow the line in terms of being a social justice warrior yeah because I mean well to some and only with some people you know honestly I think I think the way to sort of look at is you know on the on the internet especially the squeakiest wheel gets the oil you know and the thing is like a lot of these sort of super alt right or these super left-wing sort of political points are very much clickbait online right now they generate a lot of traffic they generate a lot of money for websites to generate a lot of conversation on social media which only means more money in Twitter's pocket at the end of the day you know so the thing is your average person probably is it through deeply the eddy side either side of the spectrum right you know so it's like when people are [ __ ] pissed off of you about that [ __ ] especially if you know I'm in a position where you know somebody who you know is a liberal political writer who thinks I'm you know a sexist - writes for BuzzFeed you know literally has no impact whatsoever on whether or not I come out with a review tomorrow and it next as many views is going to net right you know personally I don't really feel like my politics are all that controversial in the grander scheme of things I mean you know a Bernie Sanders voter right um you know I mean obviously there are economic issues that I'm very much too left on but as far as like you know social issues I'm very much like sort of more on the libertarians that in terms usually let people just [ __ ] be and just like chill you don't need to like doctor or you know sort of like micro manage other people's speech and expression you know how they want to conduct themselves as long as they're not you know hurting anybody or impeding on anybody else's rights or speech but now the line is like if you are not a Marxist then you're essentially like you are our part are encouraging the system that then creates classism and racism so if you are conservative in any way then you are in favor of the system then creates systemic oppression yeah and and let me just put out there Marx's trash yes okay thank you yes is trash you know far left communism is garbage and it's for children who don't know how to function in the real world it's for all you know that and again that's not to say that the world isn't [ __ ] up and that um capitalism is perfect you know I think that capitalism is something that a you know - I think just completely unwind uncontrolled unregulated capitalism is just as destructive as hey let's have the government control every aspect of the economy both sides are totally [ __ ] you know and basically it's kind of an example of you know political horse-shoe theory like you know you talk about how the far far far left you know think of think of the political spectrum you know not in terms of a straight line but more of a horseshoe and you have the far far far left being very very close to the far far far right because those are the two ends of the horseshoe right you know really it's more like the gradual you know the center left to the center right or the center that actually has you know like is farther away from sort of those negative parts of sort of the political spectrum right you know they basically is just kind of exemplified that they have more to do with each other than they would like to admit you know and the things like the far left and the far right as much as they might disagree with on a lot of things you know like ideologically or socially they both have authoritarian tendencies and they both believe your identity should dictate everything about who you are as a person absolutely that's what Richard Spencer and Tariq have in common yeah that they both believe that race is the most important thing that governs everything about your existence and what your existence on it you can say and what you think and what a matter person you are and they're both terrific race races it's just that Richard Spencer knows that he's a racist oh yeah he's racist but you know depending on where he's interviewing he will or he will not admit it because saying he's directly kind of a racist his bad PR for him and he waters what he wants his movement to look good he wants it to look squeaky clean right when in reality he's just you know a douche bag yeah like there was a short that's actually like a old podcast and I'm kind of always like not stoked on the idea of somebody digging up where I was discussing Richard Spencer with somebody and my opinion of the meant that point had sort of been based on an interview that I'd seen of him where he sort of like presented like a more cleaned up version of how he probably really is and then I and then I followed him on Twitter and I think the one thing that really stood out to me was he was watching the Super Bowl and he was like talking about the New England Patriots as if they were like the white supremacist football team despite the fact that the majority of the people on the team are black and he had like a whole list of reasons to of why the Patriots were if you were white why you should be rooting for the Patriots and it was somewhat compelling but I was really impressed by his ability to to racialize like a sporting event that is by and large a bunch of black guys playing with the sporting event and and that doesn't seem too dissimilar to me from the way that people on the extreme far less than a lot of the activist community sort of seemed to see the world and we were discussing this before is that there's sort of like this assumption that like the extreme far left activist scene is speaks for the average you know hip-hop fan which is completely not betray average anybody right right but but you see that where a lot of that like really crazy extremists left this stuff is sort of like presented as if it's somewhat mainstream in music or orgy I mean the Jewish culture the true irony of it is that much of that whole political scene is a bunch of privileged white people on tumblr thinking that they speak for black people hmm persuade you know black people are just as capable of being you know dynamically political philosophically and ideologically is just any other races people you know there are tons of conservative [ __ ] black people walking the planet angling look at Trump who's voting for Trump and it's like in a lot of even fairly liberal markets you're looking at like you know thirty percent black people 25 percent black people voting for Trump despite every reason why you might not want to vote for trouble if you're a black person to say every reason not to he netted way more Latinos and way more black voters than Romney did mm-hmm you know despite the fact that Romney didn't have you know sort of that that controversial sort of element 10 despite the fact that he didn't have that asked which is to say that there is a huge diversity amongst opinions amongst you know black voters and you know when they're voting with their money or whether their tastes as well budding but the thing is that is that you know it's almost like there's a cannibalization process or an excommunication process for anybody who doesn't fall in line with that you know like oh there's that youtuber Blair white I don't know if you're familiar with her which one she um she's a shame er no no no I'll get a trans one day I will and which is sort of the tram unity [ __ ] eats her alive right onion so you know that's an example another example is that um dear white people video the MTV put out from where they you know and not the the you know the white people aspect of it as one part of it you know what really kind of you know boiled my blood about it is the part where they talk about Kanye and um you know they just like was quick shot at Kanye was like you can have Kanye white people you know what you did Khan you're moving his black men so that was what I was voting for that I Rocio you could say somebody's not black anymore just because he did something that you don't like or you don't agree with politically as if like as if blackness is a political ideology right no that's what I done into politics is all about it's like completely placing like your opinion should be completely in line with who your identity is and you shouldn't be able to stray from that in any way it's scary stuff and you know that's also to say that you know because blackness is a political identity and it's not just you know sort of the race that you're born into that whiteness is also political identity so because you're white you must be conservative you must be racist you must be this you must be that you know you must like have something in common with Richard Spencer alright no like honestly you know to go back to the horseshoe Theory thing I don't know if you saw like all of those videos like I think it happened in Berkeley California where all like the the Trump supporters and all like the anti-shah people like started fighting each other in the street and the cops just like hung back yeah this is like the most genius way to handle the situation like I would let us see like a Hunger Games type scenario we're honestly like and it's I wouldn't even say it's in I don't even say it's inhumane because honestly you're giving them exactly what they want like all those alt writer guys would want nothing more than like the opportunity to just like have a slugfest with does like exactly weather exactly what they want and that's exactly what the people on the opposite end of the spectrum - they would love nothing more than just like being a cage match with like a bunch of KKK members right so let's just like just let them do it and you know whichever one wins just like take all the wall money and just wall off like one state in America and just like you know pay to have everybody relocated and just have whoever wins just live there right now and just like gate them off like build the wall and they can only just like live there for the rest of their lives support we should give them like Boise Idaho or something sheriff's will chunk a land for whoever wins the battle yeah for over wins the battle and I don't have a preference for whoever wins the battle you know it's just like whoever wins wins and they can have their like little separate utopia because you know all the you know they pay for it with their bloodshed my and my favorite thing with a British friend so those that he wants to establish like a white ethnos state exactly and I often just were this [ __ ] up I think at this point in 2017 that's such a [ __ ] pipe dream okay yeah cuz there's so many questions like where is this gonna take place who the [ __ ] would want to go live somewhere with like 40 other dudes from a message board uh you know what what it was the business element of this gonna look like I guess I actually I probably should look more into what his answers are to those questions like listen it you know honestly like when I think about that you know it's like that that whole idea like has he ever has he ever been to a place that's painfully white right I would like I would never go to Portland because it's painfully white I would never go to I would never go to [ __ ] I would never hang out or live in like Providence Rhode Island because it's painfully white but do you think Richard Spencer would kind of dig Portland I don't think that you were really careful yeah that's what I'm trying to do here have you thought of that like what it's like what a like a handful you white culture is like think about like Denmark for example like so [ __ ] white but they're incredibly liberal over there you know it's like that's not his vibe at all right you know it's like so you know like it's it's not like just because if you isolate white people and get them all into a spot where you know it's like 99 percent white that it's net that it's naturally going to kind of coalesce into the sort of the ideology that you think right you know people should have you know and that's sort of like it goes back to the same thing of like well you know black people should think X well Richard Spencer is making this very same mistake he's thinking if you get all the white people together and replace Cara Maria that they're all gonna agree on everything you know like look at the [ __ ] IRA right like how that was such a huge thing in the UK and that was like such a destructive you know sort of like you know really ugly part of their history and it's like you know at the end of the day it's like what are you guys all [ __ ] fighting about you know you're all [ __ ] white you're all Christian you know it's like you know and again not to say that they didn't have their gripes and that they didn't have their reasons that you know that at that point of turmoil and history you know didn't sort of have a cause or you know a purpose right but I'm you know just to blatantly assume that that if you know you'd get rid of everybody who's not white and get all the people living all the white people living under one roof that is just going to be peace and harmony we're going to sort [ __ ] up [ __ ] yeah you know white people you know during the medieval times like you know kill each other you know by the sword you know mercilessly like for hundreds of Shaker yeah that's what I think a lot of people seem to miss out on is that if it wasn't race you know being used as a dividing line that would be something else and then in an all-white community or place that they would find something else to sort of use as the dividing factor whether it's class or absolutely you know because there needs to be there needs to be somebody to blame your problems on whether it's a different race of people or whether it's a different class of people or whether it's somebody from another country or you know people who speak a different language I mean you know um uh you know whether it's immigrants coming over or something you know in sort of impacting things you know like at one point when my grandfather immigrated over here from Sicily you know like to be an Italian was not necessarily a bad thing but you were an outsider you nestlings iron you were a newbie you know and the thing is like and now all those people who came over here you know many of whom you know did their best to Americanize like my father tells me that when he grew up you know they would avoid you know family would avoid talking Italian to the kids because they just wanted them to speak English and be American because they remember coming over here and having a hard time you know sort of getting along because they were looked at dude they were looked at as Outsiders because they just came over here so um I I guess that point being you know it's now at this point you know like whether you're Italian or Irish or polish or whatever you know it's like you're just you're just [ __ ] white you're not looked at as the separate labels you know but it's a when I used to work at a pizza place you know my boss who is European you know would talk about the French and talk about this and this and that was as if it's like you know these sports teams exactly yeah you know whereas like two over here in America it's like if you're white you're white you know we don't I don't think of you in terms of a German white person or a French person or it would never occur to me in a million years to ask you like what your ethnicity is and it doesn't interest me at all that I come from a specific ethnicity like I so don't relate to being a french-canadian in any way certain sub-genre of whiteness yeah when people ask me what my ethnicity is it's almost like hard for me to remember because I'm just so used to being like you know I'm white like that's what people have been saying my whole life I have no I don't even know what it was until recently my wife and I did one of those 23andme things right and I found out that despite the fact that you know grandfather Sicilian and we grew up in a very sort of Italian theme kind of household my grandmother was french-canadian and I know my mom my mother's side was very French as well but actually I had more I think British and Irish sort of lineage then Italian and an even more than French sort of they linked together like a few different ones and um you know I guess back in far back and my mother's lineage I had a little Native American middle eastern I don't know where that came from I mean probably they lived up north in Canada you know and um the there is probably some you know Native American person in Canada far back in my lineage in my on my mother's side right yeah but I mean I'm also a [ __ ] person I really don't give a [ __ ] about like where I'm from from New Hampshire I don't care exactly I don't have like a big 6:03 tattoo on my back or anything you know right and I get it like I'm and I was like guys from Brooklyn and they're really hyped on Brooklyn and stuff and the mic that's tight you know I wouldn't wear uh I want to wear a Yankees hat because I'm from New England you know where Boston had if I was going to wear a hat that said something like that on Aibileen I just really don't don't give a [ __ ] so it's like I care about being from New Hampshire in the same way I care about being white it's like it don't care just it's just so happens that this is how I was born yeah yeah so hypothetical situation new Beyonce album comes out tomorrow you listen to it you think it's the biggest piece of horseshit you ever heard you think it's terrible but you know the overall maybe maybe the overall consensus in the community is that it's pretty good and people seem to like it yeah do you review it and give it a bad review even though that you know that you're bad review is basically going to be perceived as an act of racial violence hell yeah I gave it a bad review okay and I don't really look like you have to prepare yourself for the fallout that you sort of know is coming know just like you know just say what I have to say and just like let it let it go out there you know because honestly I feel like at this point it I do have enough of a back catalog of reviews that people like know what I'm really about but there certainly was a point when you know I started reviewing more hip-hop on the channel that people were like hey I think he just doesn't like some of this hip-hop because he's racist yeah right you know but you don't get that to consistently right not not now because I have so many reviews now you know if I give a negative review to a hip-hop album or a black artist it's because you know somebody says oh he's just a Kendrick dick writer and right you know it's just because Kendrick didn't come out with it you know and that's why and that's why he gave it a give it a negative review is Kendrick was on it he would have given it a 10 which was a which was really funny because like before before I had given to pimp a butterfly at ten sort of the prevailing critique was that I didn't like any hip-hop and you know now that I liked that hip-hop then I was like oh well you only like me like Kendrick Lamar even though I reviewed so many more hip-hop artists positively right uh but you know no I personally I don't worry about that though you know you know but let's say hypothetically that did happen you know when there is kind of like this wave of like oh well you know you must either hate black people or you must hate women because you gave Beyonce negative review you know honestly like if somebody's critique is so wildly inaccurate that you know listen I don't have an issue with people having an issue with what I say or what I do as far as like you know the quality of a review but if you do like make it about what I say right like if your first attack toward a review I did has nothing to do with something I said I just instantly tuned it down and don't take it seriously you know because you know as long as it's not based in anything that I said your claim is just a claim you know and honestly like the more you respond to a claim like that you know you know unless you have something funny or witty to kind of say is kind of like a response you kind of give it like legitimacy oh yeah because you know people would probably assume and probably you know rightly so in some situations that like you know if it wasn't true it wouldn't get to you you know where's like you know honestly it doesn't because it's it's so far from the [ __ ] reality of the way things are like well if somebody were to have something to say about me on Twitter I know and I were to see it one way or another and I were to respond it's like almost automatic reaction is like Oh number one you mad and number two is like you're triggered that's a big one you're triggered you're triggered yeah triggers a huge like a lot of like polite discourse so sort of been eliminated by you mad and triggered yeah I mean I I think that's why you don't respond unless you have something funny to say or a way to mock mock the person who's trying to get at you right you know like if you respond in anger or if you respond like even trying to correct the person because it's like maybe sort of inaccurate sort of what they're claiming like you you do kind of give them like the attention that they're that they're craving for right you know unless you can kind of like play off with it a little funny it's it's almost not worth it and you sort of have to respect people's right to make a joke about somebody on the internet that they don't like you know the let's have that's all I end up feeling it's like I along you know like me and I think you should like me my honest opinion but if you want to call me a racist just because it's like you know kind of funny and you're going to get 40 retweets off it I guess I got to go suck it up yeah because there's a lot of people I don't like and it's like I'm sitting here making fun of cardi B because I like watch like three of her music videos and I thought they sucked and it's like even objectively like if you were to compare it like her rapping so like some girls of it maybe like technically you could say she's a better rapper I don't really even know I just like overall get the feel that I don't like her and I choose to use that like just get of that bad vibe I just don't like her and some I actually I liked her I liked her let's start rapping and now I'm kind of like well I don't like you into more like tumor and you're kind of funny on Twitter those those a cool arrow but I don't know yeah um [ __ ] one hour and 28 minutes in that's a big interview it's not that big okay I was assuming this was probably gonna hit two and a half okay I just feel like we have like an enough in common enough things that we probably should be discussing but we just one non-stop over an hour and a half and then it sort of was just like well maybe I should pull back a little and say like what are the things that we should be discussing here as opposed to the things that we just end up discussing mmm I don't know what we should end up discussing what do you think that people want to hear us discuss mmm how we are the polar opposite of each other as you sighing we were talking about that earlier because I do think we are kind of the polar opposites of each other in a way your straight edge straight edge we've ended up on different coasts mm-hmm even though we're from like four hours apart yeah we're front we're from the same area I don't know what else separates us I mean well you do the music review thing which is it's interesting to me because that's the kind of thing that I very much could have seen myself having ended up doing like a certain point to like I think that if I was 25 and I was working at Foot Locker and I'd seen your channel that I probably would have been like oh okay that's you know like I think one way or another I would have ended up doing something on YouTube or just online in general and then I look at your channel and like I've always like looked at it kind of affectionately because I've always looked at it like you know like that that could kind of bed me like I could have seen myself ending up in that sort of role like the same way I'm kind of looking like at what you're doing in terms of just like right the store and everything is really I could that's something that I felt like I wanted to do at one time yeah you know well I think just in terms of like you know doing interviews with like a merging artist you know that's something you totally could there are mice versus reviews I feel they are a little bit is he a little bit more of a free spirit I would say like I would say he's a little bit more like you know down here whereas I'm like a little more cerebral she's not going to pass judgment mission also felt that factor is sin I don't have a lot of judgment at all right she thinks I'm sorry bullying I'm funny yes which one Tate which one prevails though but he's got a more analytical personality in my mind you know like it makes sense that he ended up doing what he does in my opinion because I look at what you do and I don't I don't know if I could handle the rigor of having to just you know form opinions like this and structure my opinions into that I look at what you do and I've actually I've said this so a couple of different music trading people where I've said like you know I really respect what Anthony does because I cannot imagine myself doing that and being able to actually do a good job of it like I followed this rep immediately after saying like oh I think I could essentially like kind of ended up doing what you're doing or whatever and these music critic people for the most part seem to be like I could do that yeah I don't do that but I could definitely do that now the the opposite side of that spectrum is you know you're talking about how you know you can't handle the rigour of that like there's something about what were you playing earlier Kodomo kendama kendama so Japanese wooden ball and stick game so basically you know you were talking about how much you were practicing it like me I'm such like a workaholic and I can't have things like you know sort of unplanned or sort of thrown up in the air or anything like I can't handle it that's not it's not rigor but I can't handle that that gives me you know my schedule or whatever like schedule I like things organized I like things planned out I like to you know [ __ ] get stuff done and [ __ ] kill it and just you know [ __ ] dominate the situation yeah see there's a balance of that with me where I do like having a nice strict schedule that that because in a lot of ways having a strict schedule is what's going to make you the most productive absolutely certainly in terms of what you're doing my problem is that a lot of times the most productive thing for me to do in terms of the future of my business and my career and my social life and everything is to leave the house at 3 o'clock in the morning go try to get a little pomp interview because he's kicking off Molly yeah which is weird because that that to me leaving the house at 3 o'clock in the morning to go hang on the studio and shout it's all under the flood for tagging along with me that seemed to me is like I didn't want to do it I wanted to go to bed and I was like I'm going to do this because that's how serious I am as a podcaster is that I'm going to go get this [ __ ] at 4 o'clock in the morning whatever it was yeah somebody hits me up and they're like hey do Death Grips just dropped a new album at 4 a.m. like [ __ ] I'm going to bed but you got a few days Alyssa Alyssa to it in the morning yeah or even somebody was like hey man dis grips is down the road and they want to interest you right now it's 3 a.m. right yeah bye okay bed okay if someone if that had somehow in a hypothetical world let's I had been like Kendrick Lamar hit me up for her interview even though that interview would get more reviews than the little pump interview I would have had to say no because there's no [ __ ] way I could interview somebody you know like that at two o'clock in the morning on that level of like but with little puppets like that's just like a guy I know so it would be whatever but then the moral of how that store works out so the conversation is not going to be super deep I mean I don't know that I've really seen like a fully sober version of little pump and all the time that I've spent with him it's just that usually he's kind of like on the Downers unfortunately and so to see him like really up and like ready to go because actually it's funny what like before that interview or before when I'm supposed to interview in like two days before that I had a FaceTime from earlier in a day and I was like hey maybe like take it easy with the sands and lean today because to be honest you're like you're funnier when you're like really alert and and it might be better for the interview and it was sort of like magic thank you a little pump for almost like high for two years straight and then you know you're and and then maybe one day you just don't have access to it anymore and then you kind of have to be sober in it imagine just like how horrible the world the world must look oh I might do it to yourself in the first place I don't really understand like I mean I'm the kind of person that like you know I see these rappers in this like permanent zand Eileen haze and it's like you know I love a good lean night to be honest with you but if the guy comes through and I get a little lean and that's what you're doing that night I mean as I enjoyable night to me she can tell you I'm having a great time when I'm in that state of mind but then there's like a thing in my mind that's also like oh you'd like you cannot do this with any sort of regularity ever but I've always been good at that I've always been really good at like I think as much drugs as I've done and stuff have never really felt any degree of like addiction aside from back in the day doing xanax and not knowing what sex was and that kind of got to me but that doesn't even that that was like a week and then I figured out that that was a very bad thing to jokingly abuse that may be part of the the reason I'm regimented because sometimes I can't say no to stuff okay yeah so this is like sometimes just like to not even have it on the table mmm just be like yeah but I live in a place to where there's just unlimited access to [ __ ] [ __ ] on a nightly basis like I literally almost every night I have like friends of mine hanging me up basically saying you know hey let's let's go out and drink and do cocaine and you know if essentially always that'll say no which is weird because like the people in who watch the vlogs or hear me talk on this would think that I'm partying all the time but it's tough to balance being like extremely productive with also going out and drinking and stuff yeah it's tough especially when like being at places and being social as a part of part of the what your job and everything you know that's the thing I've been working on on a personal level is to like be able to go to the rap show be able to go to the club and not drink not feel you have to do anything because you know go into the club quite often in my position might be like the best use of my night in terms of advancing my career you know if I can go see somebody you're like you know go to a rap show I get to sort of link with somebody like you know because so much of a podcast anything straight up like networking challenge absolutely which kind of appeals to me because I you know before I thought of all this is like a business or you know what I was going to be doing my future it was just kind of like I just want to have conversations with people like and I was watching your videos probably any degree of success and you know probably was thinking like oh and I'd like to meet that guy and that's kind of another bit of a polar opposite thing because I hate showing up to things like that in networking rubbing elbows oh not me yeah so much more of like a lone wolf type right it was funny going to that rap show with you just now because I wasn't sure if that was the kind of thing that you would really go to it's something you know I would go to and I have gone to in the past but often with those things that just like go by myself and it's just like you know it's funny like people hit me up to like hey man like should I go to the show by myself and both of us like I don't see a problem with that I do that [ __ ] [ __ ] all the time yeah you know and in you know at a different time in a different position often I would go and you know meet other people and just link up and do other stuff afterwards but you know honestly it's like I never really have had like a problem with just being by myself and just like you know just doing my own thing mm-hmm yeah it's interesting because I look at like you know it's just in New York of his tribute read show and DJ academics intern showed up and I was like kind of hanging out with her I was like why didn't this guy academics come to this and she started like now he doesn't like going on like you know social things really which it makes a lot sense because it's definitely a lot of rappers I want to beat the [ __ ] outta Kadena 'xs I don't really think of you as so much being in the like club of like where people want to fight you know and honestly I don't mind being social and busy though it's just really a matter of who I want to be social with you know it's like I've done a lot of speaking engagements and I actually love hanging out with people at the show you know like who come down because I feel like I can kind of take advantage of the fact that we have the shared interest you know because it's like they're there because they're really passionate about music if they weren't they wouldn't be but you know but it's like me going to a place and even you know the place that we just went to was great but like going to an industry event like I'd rather claw my [ __ ] eyes out right because it's just like it's so boring everybody is just there to kind of jerk each other off everybody's there to like you know [ __ ] each other both both figuratively and literally so yeah I gonna industry events because I feel like I'm just getting sucked off the whole time straight up just like because everybody is like an A&R whatever just kind of looking at me like like which is weird because I don't really feel like I've done a whole lot to earn it like even the interviews that I get like tons of credit for like oh you were so early on this comment yeah like you're ignoring the ninety ones that I did along with those two that know the end ever ended up giving a [ __ ] about but you know I'll take the credit but yeah yeah I kind of like the industry stuff because I just feel very much like I don't feel very obliged to acknowledge anyone else's existence I feel like I can just kind of go in there and just sort of like soak up whatever affection people want to throw at me which is alright it doesn't like it doesn't interest me at all because it's not what makes music interesting to me you know like I'd rather you know it's more interesting for me to hang out with people who again like watch the show and not because you know they're interested in me but as much as like their I know they're there because they're passionate about music as much as I am you know so it's like when they're there there's kind of like a a realness to the reason that they're there and there's a realness to the reasons they like an album they're not telling you in albums good because it's in their interest because of their paycheck to tell you an album is good you know like hype up some artists tea or overblow some artists to you because you know kind of their livelihood it depends on it you know they're telling you that you know even if I disagree they're telling you that something is great because they truly found something you know sort of special in it that speaks to them you know and that to me is is interesting you know that to me is what makes music great hmmm so what's your like lifestyle like you know like what type of area do you live and that was one of the one things that I saw people in volunteering questions like the few serious questions what bill I people being like ask him like more what is a personal life is like because he doesn't talk about what is yeah that's very person that's very purposeful I don't talk about my personal life at all you know and I guess maybe that's another kind of opposites or a separate thing on the way out here because personally it's like so but I just try to keep my personal life off of YouTube because it's like I don't want it to be about me you know like that's not the point you know and the thing is like honestly it's like I've been on YouTube long enough to sort of see so many people who sort of do the whole vlogging thing and then like maybe three or four years down the road is like nobody cares about them anymore because that cult of personality fades away because you know it's like as a personality you can only interest people so long but unless you have some kind of substance or talent you're giving people some other kind of you know like sort of something like what we're doing here you know to sort of supplement that the fact that you're letting them in on your life you know there are so many people on YouTube especially that subsist simply off of the fact that you're only interested in me as a person because you either think I'm pretty ear you think I'm funny or you think of whatever other thing is like that can quickly be replaced in two to three years when somebody younger funnier you know on whatever the new waver edges you know sort of comes here to replace you you know that's kind of the plus on the - for you where you have a very set specific thing that you're doing which in a way when I look at what you do I think it it might feel kind of like a confining in a way because you you don't have the option well I guess you did with the second channel and stuff where you do sort of have the option just make up a piece every video about whatever an option yeah you should talk on it would be so funny to see you do like a straight-up vlog and to see like what your version of a blog was like on the other channel guys walking here you know that I wouldn't be able to do it without like really cynically in just like you know seeing my way through it you know there was a time when I used to have my wife in the videos like maybe giving an opinion on and out a few people mention that and you got rid of that and you know we stopped that because like people are really [ __ ] nosy and just like you know searching us on Facebook and like trying to find out you know things about us and you know and also just kind of like the nastiness of the fact that the you know we're an interracial couple right which like you figure in 2017 is not a big thing but you know they were just like it became a lot like we were talking about earlier kind of this weird disgusting and you know kind of like mimetic demand in the comments that I say the n-word when yeah I'm talking about like a rap lyric or when it comes up in an album title that's a consistent thing that people say like we want you to say it you know I think that's the thing is like it became this really weird distraction because people weren't you know so much talking about or paying attention what I was saying as much as they were like you look at them as a couple or buh-buh-buh-buh you know and it didn't even just become about you know sort of our relationship as much as you know the I mean those are the interracial quality of it is just like you know I wonder what their link is a couple and bubbly and people can't help in the YouTube comments just let out them bows like slipperiest urges again it's just like not only a distraction but it's just like kind of weird and it's something that personally she was uncomfortable with yeah maybe a little bit more than I was at the time but there's a lot of value in being a private citizen I think there is and I've completely lost touch with what that might be like and I envy to some degree your wife and like I would encourage her that if she didn't it seems that you've come and same inclusion if she doesn't want to go all in with being a very public person then she should probably you know she's better off not showing up on the channel in - great 9 to 5 and I tell her all the time like hey you know if ever one day you just decide that you want to quit into YouTube I'll help you get your YouTube career stuck there you go same thing same room same why they go there's always a plan B yeah exactly yeah well shoot it from the same the same exact room yeah Tran such as opposite transition over to my wife now yeah it's like you know there are a lot of aspects of our personal life that we just like would rather keep private just because that's kind of how we are you know it's like my youtube channel isn't about us I've seen so many people over the years their lives are just like completely ruined because you know honestly like when you let people in your life like that you know and this isn't anything against you because I think it seems like people sort of expect and you expect and you embrace a little bit of chaos in your life but there's so many people on YouTube Lou especially like you know these family vloggers who put their kids and videos shuttles out or five exactly folks with you exactly where's like in every single video they're trying to portray like they have this really kind of perfect happy family life yeah dad ever have I've always loved owning that of being a blogger who is willing to be like look at how [ __ ] up my life is zero and actly I don't feel like I do it aim I don't feel like I don't think water anymore I'd done like one in the past two weeks but the thing is you know that stuff is going to come out in the video eventually because I like life isn't perfect like that you know so I mean you know when that happens what do you do I know you're either faced with either letting that seep out and you know potentially embarrass yourself and ruin your life and even maybe ruin your kids lives because there's like hours of footage out them without there about them which like you know maybe lasts there once they're 19 20 21 22 you know they might have a pin they might have an opinion about that I mean you know you might you probably have an opinion a strong opinion right now about whether or not you know let my life is an eight year old you eight year old like let's say like flowers if he was a douche I rolled like leaked online to you know hands exactly some [ __ ] some footage of you peeing your pants and stuff that's weird yeah that'd be a good luck smearing your own [ __ ] all over your face and stuff is like a four year old exactly which are you tribal war paint and you know I've seen like some channels like that were the family vloggers where it's like you know I'm surprised that they're not more strategic with their edits because I'm like literally I mean footage of them with their kids like with the camera in their face and are like can we start blogging now the daddy a51 like that they had clips of him like blatantly not like consenting to being a part of this and a mistake would [ __ ] you think see when I first started vlogging it was like before I was with this one over here and that kind of is like part of what drove me to do it is like you know I got a really [ __ ] up life I'm [ __ ] bang random shakes and like doing drugs and stuff and I should probably like be a vlogger who's like more open about that stuff and I was doing it for a while but then you know when it all really kind of came down upon me was like I basically like some girl tweeted something at me basically I forgive her she said something flirty and I said something about let me suck your toes and she like diem means straight up like like what's up let's hang out I want I want you to suck my toes anyway I come through she like comes over my house saying to gray looking homes like acceptable I guess but you know I hung out there and like you know I'm vlogging the whole time so I'm putting her in the video and i ended up sucking at toes and then like it was just so disgusted by myself when i'm looking at the [ __ ] thumbnail like really hit rock bottom like that's how I felt was I was just like what the [ __ ] you documented it and I documented the whole thing and all the comments are saying the same thing that I was thinking which is like hey she is so great looking video yeah yeah and I mean and it on YouTube she didn't even let me smash I got dumb look like two times and then like after that I like hung out with her and I was like man I have it maybe nothing wrong with like you know having something a little bit more normal so now like if you know and that's what's kind of cool too about not vlogging is that me and her go out and have like a really foggy night with a you know some other girls or something that it's like hey it don't have to expose myself which is nice got it you know by my arm I exposed myself when I went on snapchat elusive but whether opposites can be exposed here um well you're vegan I am vegan that is an opposite I love love meat mmm cool I was vegan actually in high school for a few years but it didn't really work for me oMG I heard drinking wine I don't know why we're acknowledging her as if she's on camera other differences well I'm of like you know a mumble rap kind of so I was here like over here you know you got blue eyes I got brown eyes that's nice that is nice that is a nice difference I wore my hat today because I didn't want people to comment saying like oh look at this skinhead rally that's true that's not really why I wore the Hat I actually just thought that it kind of look cool the Shetty's shirt it is cool like it says all facts on it I remember all that very vividly see there you go yeah that was like the [ __ ] back in the day this is a hat that a kid sent in like a fan thing oh really was very cool and I was legitimately funny yeah still even like in in retrospect it was funny like very funny for a kids show you watch much TV these days I watched like probably more Netflix than I watch TV and not really like most of the most of all videos that I watch is YouTube you know I still like living and dying by the platform like most of my videos that I watch our YouTube but like I'm really into orange is the new black probably more than probably more than I should be we should get a Netflix I feel like if I had enough voice I might watch it sometime we have it and why never used it I never no I mean really not on the term on TV um you used it the other day did we that's another opposite I remember I had Netflix I don't know to me it's like when it comes to like what's on the TV there's something about like the fact that it's on the TV that just makes me not pay attention to it it kind of makes me fall asleep like I don't know what it is used to very much is like my attention span but I don't feel like there's a lot of YouTube channels I'm really not interested in any weren't like a lot of like normal television programming is super boring right now a lot of the things that I used to watch I just don't have faith in or don't have as much interest in anymore like it or not as crazy about the newest line of Adult Swim programming I think Rick and Morty is cool but like a lot of it I'm not all that enthusiastic about you know not an Adult Swim own and know what it would be like that's totally fine I'm not as into Comedy Central as I used to be I'm not really as into you know watching the news is I used to be like pretty much if I want any and all of that stuff like I'm usually going online for it because there's usually way more cool alternative comedy going online and in the meme community like you know instead of watching Comedy Central I'd rather spend an hour looking at some [ __ ] Instagram main page right it's like it's so much more hilarious I mean this [ __ ] watch like been watching like the daily show try to be fun right see that's my father is that if I put the daily show on the bus [ __ ] hypothetically was if I knew how to turn on the Netflix or whatever my turn on Daily Show I would then just want to start looking at Twitter like I legitimately think Twitter and like memes and like various stuff like that like I think that's funnier I think it's more of the moment it's very wrong filtered I mean there was no cutting edge and it's more fun yeah so it's like easier to take pardon is like if I find some funny meme on Twitter then I could like kind of you know perhaps weigh in is valuable to me and in terms of having a popular twitter account is a good thing that benefits me in the long term I don't really like to think of it that way but I think it's you know and it's like edgy or - in like a really authentic way you know that it's it's it's edgy because that person felt like being that way as opposed to like right oh they thought it was acceptable for an advertiser for them to say that or you know it would be good for ratings and that's what I think is funny when I look at somebody like me you academics versus somebody like you know much respect to like Peter Rosenberg or whoever they're really in a point a position where if they don't like a major artist there's a bit like what you're on the radio and stuff they don't like Nicki Minaj feeling like Rick Ross it's hugely detrimental to their career as a person who wants to interview and have these people on their show and stuff so they're really in a position where they're not incentivized to dislike popular mainstream stuff you know literally Peter Rosenberg almost like lost his job and stuff because he basically inferred that he didn't like a Nicki Minaj song on stage at Summer Jam yeah it was just you know that's kind of weird it's like in that way I almost don't even feel like it's really fair to put somebody who's doing YouTube content the same category somebody was like a radio personality because on average those people are sort of being forced into a pretty small box you know honestly it's like I've had to make the same kind of decisions and sacrifices and kind of go through those same kind of forks in the road too but it just you know it's it's really just more based on whatever my personal choice is on that path because you know I've had interview opportunities and have been on you know done interview segments that have been like sponsored by big companies and you know have had people sort of running production for it and they're like hey what do you think about interviewing so-and-so and I'm like could be a good interview but um I kind of shat all over his last record right and they're like oh well you know we'll try anyway and then you know they came back and like yeah he did he doesn't want to talk to you um you always wonder - like if you have a tweet making fun of somebody that has like you know 800 retweets or something like Jared does that guy know oh well usually usually there is a response at this point you know used to be back in the day when you know there was not a response at all but now that I have like a verification check it's almost like a dad does it oh yeah because then you're in that verified but one thing I've gone for me is I'm on that tab you think people see you in the verified tab and also like they feel like there's more of like I don't know anymore a real person and there's more of a chance for them to like kind of start start a battle you know because honestly it's not even the verified tab because sometimes you know some people just come at meters to come at me it's not because I've added them or anything you know but again it's sort of like by the mere fact that I become verified I've become more be able write more be able know because I have a friend basically works and you know the rap industry and he's like a very powerful person he texted me the other day and he goes hey I'm with blank and it's you know by far one of the biggest rap stars in the world and he just said like yeah he said that he's seen your YouTube and he [ __ ] with it and this is a person who I have completely treated as if they're living joke on Twitter like completely [ __ ] upon this person use them as a butt of a joke and then this guy's telling me that they said that like they thought what I do is cool and I'm sitting there thinking like does he think it's cool despite knowing that I've [ __ ] on him or that you know people work for me have [ __ ] on him on Twitter and stuff like that or does he just not know because he's so big but he doesn't have room in his life to care about that yeah and I don't know I don't know either you you introduced me to someone earlier at the outside the club who I have probably publicly torn apart like three of his features and I was just like okay you know we're meeting and it's just like it is what it is you know if you know about those opinions you know about those opinions if you don't you don't you know I got to figure out who this is later but also uh did you get the vibe that they might have known now no I didn't you know the deeper they get in in terms of like good [ __ ] the more likely they are to not know in my opinion like the more likely they are to just if not really stumbled upon that hmm but more street level they are the more they are - not really the more they're not paying attention to some dorky white guy on YouTube talking talking about music it's super funny because like there's been plenty of times where I posted like a photo or I've sort of realized that like when you really are around like gangster dudes but dudes or not like necessary like run successful yet is like if you post a photo with a hematite they're going to be the ones who are in the comments on the Instagram photo like not like because you know they'll be kids constant like this dude's a [ __ ] and he'll be the ones actually comes in like oh I pull up on my block you got something to say like that we're just super funny to me it's like you know I'm not [ __ ] out here trying to act super intimidating or whatever and and I would never think of responding to someone in an Instagram comment if I really was bothered by them just block oh yeah exactly I mean I feel like I I feel like once you start like resorting to like trying to get people to fight you on Instagram you've lost yeah that's it doesn't go well I've gotten at least like three different people on Twitter just being like hey dude I know you're in Anaheim where are you let's fight fine are you let's fight where you're in Anaheim where let's fight dude and are these like legitimate people or the mean I don't know is like I really haven't given them my address to find out you know I guess I'm anal madhurya I guess I guess whether or not they're legitimate would depend on you know whether or not they would show up if I gave them my address and I haven't I haven't tried that yet I would think most of them wouldn't but I mean it's interesting I mean I've gotten thousands of those over the like the course of the past year probably I had people trying to fight me all the times I mean they want to cheat me all this stuff but I've never once gotten the feeling that it was actually serious and anyway like you're always doubted about there have to be some people that like I said have said that [ __ ] or have thought that [ __ ] and then see you in person at a club where they see you in person that is shown it's like well that guy I mean but that's what I want because it's like it is very few situations in which I'm like not kind of prepared for like I was if somebody wants to do something to me at that show that was just our where I'm with [ __ ] 50 gang members yeah okay cool let's do it I think I think also the heights probably turn off too it's like oh wait yes wait teller than me but if they knew that I had back problems that wouldn't be scaled ahead it's useless when you're [ __ ] walking around like a [ __ ] old geezer lucky that I was able to stand up and back problems to there we go into that in common well it's beautiful yeah I'm like a [ __ ] senior citizen though somebody wants to fight me right now it's like no like you don't understand this isn't going to happen you gotta wait till later I got these guys they're going to beat you up for us I catch you later yeah was last time in a fight last time I was a fight good question I don't see you having a lot of like I don't think I've been scenarios like high school okay um yeah it's probably the last time I was in a fight um yeah I mean I haven't and honestly like I was never someone in high school who I was just always one of the bigger kids so there weren't a whole lot of people that would just come up and [ __ ] with me you know like so there's never really a reason to pick on me you know even is like being one of the heavier kids in school there's like only so far someone can push that you know before you know you do something about it at least for me right now and I know that you know my father you know taught me when I was growing up not to take any [ __ ] from anybody like about that sort of stuff when I was in school you know and I remember one day there was this kid who uh you know this is this is sort of the sort of vibe that he instilled in my in my brother and I there was this kid who was like taking his really long winter hat and he was like snapping it at me and he was doing it so repetitively that link you know the bus driver was like fully aware of it and then like you know by the umpteenth kind of him doing it I just like jumped across this like the aisle of this lava and I just like you know planted my knees on him was just like whaling on him so immediately my little brother is riding the same buses me uh you know ran up the driveway to my father and he was like you know Anthony on a fight and he's like he did what happened he says well if the kid was hitting him and then he jumped on him and he started punching in and he immediately yelled at my brother for not getting involved in punching him to my booth like if he's ever in a fight you're fighting too and he yelled at me too and he says and that's the same for you you know because he's the little brother yeah um so you know I you know I wasn't down for taking any [ __ ] like that um you know and uh then he was a power lifter too so he had me in the gym like pretty early what's your dad's a power lifter okay so there's never any chance of you going down like the [ __ ] Jay Cutler bodybuilding Lane you were always going to be a big strong guy yeah no I was never sort of into that whole thing and honestly like I never it was always a hobby it was not anything I'd ever wanted to pursue seriously you know it hasn't even been unto like recently that I've been like okay maybe I should like actually like now that I'm getting older like actually start watching what I'm eating so you know I'm not just like going to the gym but still being like an incredible fat-ass well that's the cool part about getting into powerlifting is that there's no real like stigma against you know using [ __ ] Hometown Buffet after or something yeah exactly because you're just going to go lift six hundred pounds yeah it's like well dad you know yeah I a to hamburgers but I'm going to go benchpress or that lifts of the pounds you have a hundred sex if you think that that's kind of like uh oh I don't know I mean I I think that like you being into the powerlifting but it's probably like the most like off-brand thing about you in that it doesn't seem to like fit in because okay that's that's the one thing that makes you kind of easy to hate on for people is that in a lot of ways they feel like you are the perfect embodiment of what a white 30 something year old hipster is and the power listening thing is like not probably what they're thinking no absolutely not now like any actually any kind of physical exercise for that set of people know like kickball like Williams person yeah yeah any kind of any kind of physical exercise it's ironic exactly Onix somehow yeah um no absolutely not no no definitely not um yeah that definitely that definitely breaks the breaks the mold there and I and I think the fact that I'm just so regimented and I'm just so kind of like by the book on a lot of things however it's not like my plan forever it's a I don't know I've always kind of been like a very regimented and kind of like well-behaved sort of like young person but I've always liked it you know but I'm actually like way I'm a little looser than I used to be in high school and you know I'm probably going to just go insane when I'm old and just like you know become some kind of crazy hundreds Thompson we were going great firing revolver rounds into a typewriter do think that there's a breaking point and what you'll just have to like do PCP and like acid and stuff I don't know if it'll be so much like a breaking point as much they'll be like an aha like sort of office space kind of moment where I just don't give a [ __ ] anymore and my dad my dad's actually kind of at that point like he worked at the company for a friend oh he's actually you know he's actually been um indulging in a little bit of a medical marijuana so different my father hey I was going to ask that as a side note is like we were smoking a lot of blunts in the club earlier you feel like there might have been a certain contact I involved in this uh maybe if there is I don't feel it right now yeah I mean there was like three hours ago so but um no he's a he worked for but for like a buddy's company for a while and um you know was like doing a was working in sales over there and made a ton of money and just like did early retirement he just like fishes every day for the rest of his [ __ ] knife does that appealed and the idea of just like making a ton of money and then just like totally shutting off and you know disengaging from any type of responsibility yes absolutely right yeah totally yes I suppose so now we you sort of have yourself on the [ __ ] hamster wheel where you're just sort of you know a lot of people out there you don't know what the lifestyle is like as a daily uploader on YouTube and it is really something because you're really just always going hard and it's hard for you to get yourself out of that mentality you know even for you know because in YouTube if you take a week off it's a [ __ ] lifetime in terms of how the average youtuber who makes a business out of making money up ads on YouTube views it but the way that have sort of methodically and analytically sort of approached my passion on this topic I mean you know my father wasn't just a power lifter he was a coach too and he coached a lot of successful people and he owned two gyms right um but then it all kind of uh fell through after um a steroid controversy I don't uh yeah absolutely and you know this is during a time when steroids weren't quite legal yet so you know we're talking about a period of time between when you have you know all these people using and it's completely okay but then this transition period where it's suddenly not okay but in the lifestyle and the competition is all still there you know because it's like you know you still want to be the biggest and you still want to be the best and you know I've seen like a lot of him and his friends and it's like you know they're not in the best physical shape right now and and not just in terms of like weight or anything like that you know a lot of them like literally just like you know beat themselves to death toward ligaments you know ripped their shoulders apart just to be like the dude who's benching you know one thousand and one as opposed to the Jews attaching 1000 crazy you know it's a very bizarre thing to dedicate less it's almost like dedicating a life to music yeah I know let's take heavy weights looking really [ __ ] heavy can you see the the comparison there though between the two oh absolutely you know it's like I think I'm you know the thing is like the the fact that I've kind of seen things play out the way that they did for him makes me very kind of afraid and you know very conscious of everything that I'm doing with my personal brand and just trying to make sure that I don't do anything that's going to create some kind of overnight destruction of what I do in terms of like hey let's like not say anything like really embarrassing or like you know life-destroying on this podcast right now right now not that I'm trying all that hard to do that right now you know it's it's pretty much like second nature at this point um you know but the thing is like when there's when there's hours upon hours upon hours of footage of you talking online you know you have to be especially careful to make sure that none of that footage is like you know career-ending right you know yeah I'm not sure what would be necessarily like career-ending for me as like a person who said and done so many terrible things online like there were definitely some things that like very very early on in the channel you know where I didn't have the grips of how to review yet right and I didn't have all the know-how as far as like the inner workings of every genre in the history of every genre that I'm you know if I just came out early on it been like hey guys listen I'm a music writer but here like 100 essential albums for any music fan that I have not heard you know at all like that probably would have just like completely destroyed my credibility and channel right there you know I was just learning credibility that's pretty easy now like at this point it's been almost like you know eight years since then and I've had the time and the foresight in the focus to kind of like make sure that I've done all that groundwork and done all that background work so you know I have a better idea of what I'm talking about and I've heard those artists and I could draw those comparisons but like early on like you know especially with that first year of videos like I had almost no [ __ ] clue what I was doing mmhmm yeah yeah do you feel like well I saw a bunch of comments that were like asking about saying n-word back in the day yeah does that ever happen back in the day now oh I don't know like there was a sign there the somebody saying that you said it on a thing with fans or something I don't know I was like that I don't recall yeah you probably remember I know during a live show one side you know the the the the title that Death Grips album which shall remain unnamed I did say that I did say the title live during a live show once in front of a bunch of fans and it wasn't a thing or anything but um you know part of the reason that is is that I'm not trying to say it on camera because there will be you know it was a memes you know people just turn into a stupid meme and it's like you know that's like not really what I think not that I think that the word can be said but instantaneously that is going to be taken and turned into disrespectful saying my opinion right you know that's the thing it's like I don't think that word is a meme you know and I don't think what that word represents at least for me as a meme either and you know I feel like even though you know just saying the word for no reason whatsoever just like if just to say it with no context or no reasoning or anything I'm not directed at anybody with no intention other than just to say it I don't think that's inherently bad or harmful but I feel like if you're suing the name of an album yeah sure but it might just be one way more complicated than that I feel like if I did it on video I'd be facilitating the means of turning into a meme or turning into some [ __ ] meme and that's not that's not anything I want to be complicit in yeah do you ever feel somewhat we were having a conversation earlier about you sort of being held accountable for your fans saying or doing certain things name that you have such a big mob of fans who seem willing to you know make memes about you and do you know if you don't like somebody they'd like to get involved on Twitter and they'd like to talk to that person and probably tag you in it you're feeling kind of like like your fans your big motivated army of fans or kind of a liability for you yes and no I mean you know honestly it's like I feel like the people who are really in the know and people who are not total morons understand you know honestly anybody who's ever had an audience as opposed to an echo chamber knows that when you have one two hundred thousand three hundred thousand people following you on Twitter subtle shade certain critics up there's like a lot of a lot of them kind of are in an echo chamber right they're in and they may have eleven thousand followers but they don't have a following they have an echo chamber but uh fifty people at home with a subscription to the print version exactly so you know because you have an echo chamber you might be under the impression that you control everything that your followers say because they all agree with everything that you say right but in a line of work like mine where you have actually just to some degree of popularity I don't control anything that anybody does I can only control it in so far as like what we were just saying in regards to the n-word I can control that situation in that I'm not giving you that material to work with you know beyond that I can't control what you say to me I can't control what you say to somebody else who has interacted with me I can't control any of that stuff you know I have had some people you know in a very polite in a very friendly way um you know hit me up in the DMS or take me aside and say hey listen you know if you disagree with something I've said on Twitter can you just like you know maybe DM me about or something because when you disagree with me publicly on Twitter you know even though it does come from like a real authentic place Wow I do get like maybe like five or ten tweets or a bunch of people like tweeting at me being like you know Anthony man Tainos writer but and you know just as like a friendly gesture I'm like sure you know it's like if you don't want to be subject to that and you know we're in the same industry or we're friendly or we're on good terms you know I'll pay you that respect that's totally fine you know even if I do feel like I disagree with you and you know if I do feel like it's really worth discussing or talking about I will just hit you up or discuss it with you in private right um you know so you know there has kind of been that situation before where you know I've paid somebody that respect at their request you know and if anybody else listening to this wants to be paid that same respect to you know just let me know I won't ever tweet at you ever again out of fear of somebody who follows me seeing it respond everybody out there there's a very good chance that I will never tweet at you or acknowledge that you exist it anyway so it news so um so yeah you know that there there are people out there who think that you know unfortunately like I can control everything my audio says and you know in fact I can't and you know people who are living in reality do understand that so at the end of the day I don't really feel like it's a liability because honestly it's like you know while some people might find it offensive you can't you can't really pin it on me or I know it's like in the fact that and if I respond to it and you know as if you can pin it on me you only kind of give that more legitimacy you know it's kind of also just like a bit of a guilt by association thing because there are people who are sort of in the skeptic community on YouTube you know like Blair White for example we talked about earlier who you know I've had discussions with and I've interacted with publicly on Twitter you know I don't agree with her on everything you know it's like for one example you know this past election so she claims you know she was a trump supporter you know and that's very much like not my vibe at all um you know however the the fact that I have communicated with her publicly doesn't mean I agree with her on that stance so people tried to throw that are you absolutely you know they're just like what you know instantaneously if I say anything or respond to anything that she's done it's why are you associating with these people you know is the first thing that that people say where's like you know it's um for me it's kind of like I don't know I'm just doing what adults do when handling disagreements handling the fact that people don't see the world the way that I see it because honestly if I conducted myself in the way that you're acting like I should merely based on this idea that I'm on the left and they're on the right right like things that I feel much more passionate about would be way more divisive and drive me away from talking to people I would tell everybody who's not a [ __ ] vegan the [ __ ] you know [ __ ] off and you know be telling their [ __ ] murderous piece of [ __ ] and [ __ ] rotten hell like you know I'm not really all that passionate about whether or not you were offended because somebody said the n-word I'm Way more passionate that you know you're contributing to the destruction of the environment and the torture of sentient beings just because you know you feel like it's tasty to have some chicken um you know that I'm more passionate about than this other thing so if you know and but personally I don't feel like that's an effective way to spread the message I don't feel like that's an effective or an efficient way to be a human being I prefer super negative condescending to everybody who doesn't see and I with you that's Kearney how long you know Damien almost ten years and don't you think that that sort of given you like the perspective on what a lot of these like extreme leftist people are coming through where like if you're a vegan it's like you have to if you have to be vegan if you're doing on behalf of the animals you have to have at some point accepted that what you you think that I live in a vegan world and that ninety-eight percent of the population or whatever it might be are involved in what is in your estimate essentially murder a supporting murder but that at a certain point you know okay you have to live in a non vegan world and you have to accept that other people are going to do things you don't want to do and that that experience is something that I feel like a lot of people on the left could could stand to learn from you know the thing is like I've caught way more people and sort of um turn way more people onto veganism just by kind of casually bringing it out and saying like every once in a while like you know hey you know I've written like this weird multi paragraph like vegan primer just like get people you know sort of educated on the whole thing you know just to like throw people some reading material is kind of my personal experience and what I do and I just say like hey you know if you ever want to read it or you just kind of want to be more in the know just like email me at Anthony at the needle drop comm and I just send it to you right away and you know every single time I bring that up I get dozens and dozens of people just like asking for it and you know a lot of people write back and like okay cool I'm going to try this stuff it sounds cool and you know and that's the thing like I feel like what a lot of people who are sort of on the more authoritarian side of you know kind of the the vegan ideology don't quite understand that your average person just wants to lead a normal lifestyle or they don't want to hop onto veganism because it's a mentality they don't want to hop onto veganism because it's an ideology they don't want to hop onto veganism because it's going to be some kind of big significant life change you know if they if they get into the lifestyle what they want to know is can I be a vegan and still be a regular person and still lead a normal life and still hang out with my friends and still be social and let me go out and eat and still like you know everything being regular just like just as they are now but I'm maybe eating healthier and making a more conscious decision like that's what people want to know like they don't want they don't want to you join up with veganism or join up with the lifestyle or start changing with they eat by way of joining what what you know could potentially be a cult right you know which like you know there's some people who are on that side of the fence on YouTube who do almost treat veganism like a cult said banana girl yeah but she's like kind of actually off of that whole train now she's not she's not promoting that lifestyle anymore really and the guy who she dated at the time who was kind of also kind of pushing that lifestyle too and pushing her to kind of like really kind of Lois isn't a durianrider okay push her to evangelize vandalize that lifestyle um you know he got exposed for using steroids and you know cheating on her and just generally being a total [ __ ] scumbag so now that whole scene of like you know like extreme vegans like totally like collapsed in on itself really and you know and that's the thing you know I feel like anybody of any political extreme shade see that and sort of like you know learn from the example of that because like when you hold yourself to like this such high moral standard you can't like continually live up to it all the time and eventually it's like going to burn burn you down you know did you get some kind of satisfaction as I did from seeing Laci green essentially acknowledging that she was kind of behaving like an [ __ ] for a few years there yeah absolutely but I thought I feel like there hasn't been a full acknowledgement of that because I think some of her behavior sort of extends beyond the whole less great SJW alright sort of dichotomy because in the past I've known her - you know like copyright strike or try to copyright hearing videos that talk about her and that sort of in the local you know and and that to me is sort of like you know it's not a left issue it's not a right issue so just kind of ocean gum bag youtuber issue which like she's never quite addressed that or atoned for that or you know um you know that's like kind of a very shady thing for me in the YouTube world um yeah that's a big thing yeah but but still you know if if I completely subtract that out of the out of the mix you know it has been entertaining and funny I was just as a party the other day with her boyfriend so I liked him I've been following on Twitter for callisto and I'd say it was funny hung out on multiple occasions each for a gun but the other stray gun we've we've collaborated before hunts and videos and oh I didn't know that yeah answers on the meme Channel oh he did a video on channel 2 where we reacted to a really horrible song oh but from this rapper named uncle Adams you should try to get him on the show [ __ ] uncle Adams he's a big Canadian rap meme he's probably like scheduled is what we do was [ __ ] with shitty meme rappers um yeah Chris Reagan shout-out to Chris Reagan he was at this party that I was at last night and I was just like breaking his balls I told him that uh I feel like if him and Laci green have a baby that baby could unite the two factions right could do one of two things it could either unite the two factions and like you know bring the alt-right and bring antiphon bring you know the regressive left together because you know sort of the beauty of the baby like melt everybody's hearts or like makes their hearts grow three times their size like the Grinch or it becomes like a graphic novel saga situation which is like this story about like these two people from two different alien races which are currently warring and they get together and they have a baby and then they're on the run because they're being like you know man hunted because they decided to love each other and like have a baby I don't know it's like the feminist community though could like willingly accept like a the beauty of like a white baby I think that that to me seems like something they would easily discovered but he's part Puerto Rican though oh but that doesn't come anymore they're they like you're not like on the the scale the sliding scale of like being a victim of injustice unless you're like like I don't know if were talking doesn't work anymore it's like because my whole thing this is my experience in terms of how I viewed the n-word is that like you know I remember when I first found out that Edward was bad and I wasn't allowed to say it because it was a Kris Kross song where they said it like one time and I said it around my mom singing along my mom yelled at me and it wasn't so much like oh that's racist it was more just like that's a swear word you know to say that but being in in New England I never really liked it you know there were like plenty of black and Puerto Rican people out here say it but I didn't really had that many white people say it and usually when I did it would be very very like white trash people like it wasn't the kind of people that I wanted to be like yeah and then like most of my like opinion on how a white person should behave in hip-hop was formed really from Eminem because there's nobody else that I really like like what relevant white rappers you have really after Eminem or before em and then there was penalized I was super young eesti points The Beastie Boys right I'm listening Eminem was listen to The Beastie Boys I've always hated the Beastie Boys really yeah I never liked them one thing girls and that's my least favorite song ever like I could kill a person for playing that song like that song creates a level of bloodlust inside of me but what about Paul Revere though it sounds amazing I hate this one if that's all I hate everything they've ever made foremost right what do you know Kourt oh yeah just like nails are [ __ ] shocked boy I love that Islamic Seneca me knowledge that I like respect you know to some extent I guess but I just never heard never went too far at all that's fine anyway also let me check myself for calling the Beastie Boys white can I just call them white can I just call them straight white am I allowed to call the Beastie Boys way I mean it you know I'm gonna probably system there white there sis I'm going to go do some and gonna save them yeah well that's true no no but yeah and then I remember okay so my experience was basically not really hearing people say it too often in real life unless they were flattered erase orders and agree sure you're right you know yeah definitely would hear maybe some like kids trying to be funny like saying some racist jokes in high school or something with it that that sounds familiar but then I moved to New York and New York every white person that I met in New York because I'm hanging all those BMX kids and we're hanging out at like skate parks and stuff like that and I was really taken aback because all of a sudden every Hispanic kid every Asian kid every white kid said it too and I never got a full casual conversation I didn't just like a friendly way or you know and and I'd never been around that and even as like a 19 year old like living in Brooklyn for the first time I even then buckle a new like no I don't want to I want to say that my vibe I would sound stupid saying that yeah and that's the thing is you just kind of filled them taught you do doing it like that because it's not how you kind of came up or it's not kind of like what you grew up in I never once a fertile white person said word about Maya that was I she snapped yeah that just and I kind of resent like the implication because I've seen that said about me too like Oh adamant I don't when choose the type of I got it definitely says the n-word when he's with his friends it says it into the mirror or something it's not like doing you really think that that's something that I'm like that's the one illicit behavior that I'm holding out for that's like another weird white guy's stereotype that I like I don't get that like all white people are dying to say the n-word or doesn't really want to be black or all that we really really I can like rap and sort of like be okay with being a white guy yeah totally fine with it yeah I don't hear rap music and I'm like man I'd really like to say that Edwards right yeah yeah you know it's like you know it's also funny is like there are a lot of rappers that I like that are black that don't use that word at all you know it's I think it's like or barely use that word since rose so to speak you know and and the thing is like it's it's so funny because I think it almost like is based on this um you know sort of uh this false assumption that like saying that word somehow makes rap music make sense or you need to use that word to make rap music or it's like it's somehow like inherent to the genre despite the fact that you know we have years and years and years of music before the 90s in rap music where that word was not quite as common as it did once hardcore hip-hop kind of came into play right you know and even like you know during the days of like uh I'm sort of a you know sort of going a bit of a detour here but you know even when that word started seeping a little bit like it's it was not as widely used then as it is now right you know we're essentially you're just like rhyming the N word with the edward to like bars you know essentially at this time I remember during the OJ Simpson trial in 1996 that that was the first time I ever heard the N word I don't know what they got like on broadcast television news I think it might have honestly been like judge Ito I think I'm over like a courtroom setting that you know that which I thought was really I remember as a young kid thinking that's interesting like oh that's like the only word that you just you don't it's so bad or I guess a another F word yeah it's just something like that on TV but I remember like even as a kid thing you know it's pretty unique right there I was on in this like were you because you know you and I both I think are you know guys affiliated with the left but are pretty open towards having conversations with people of different political viewpoints and stuff and in a lot of ways I feel like that's the only way to learn whether or not they're wrong right I mean certainly yeah yeah and so to me I feel like my parents hugely my parents were friends with tons of conservative people my parents are super diehard liberals that are you know worked like my dad helped Bill Clinton and it's like early primary campaign and Hampshire and everything like that and so that to me is very normal my parents had a lot of friends at a really young age were Republicans and it never really stuck out to me that it was that out of the ordinary even as I got older and once I started to be more like into punk rock and stuff and it started became like unthinkable to me like oh like my dad's friend build like voted for Bush and he loves that and it sort of I remember going through those phases where I would bring it up to my dad like how can you be friends with somebody that like blah blah blah and you know he always had pretty like measured reasonable answers and I think it's that almost kind of a northeast thing as well like did you have that experience growing up no no I mean I guess my parents both my parents growing up were actually conservative um my mother didn't actually take more toward the left side of the aisle until I did politically and you know she started to see a little bit more of like out of the light of day my father kind of philosophically I would say is more right-wing but I think he's generally just kind of like disinterested in politics because he thinks all politicians are trash and that the whole system is you know kind of like impossible to work with and you know nothing nothing good can really kind of come out of putting effort into it or caring about it I think like around I think around like I think like 12 or 13 I remember I was like really and like even 11 I think it was like really like ended in to Rage Against the Machine and um you know it was really funny because like them uniquely out of any other sort of group that I had a cassette tape of at the time like I didn't know a lot of what they were talking about but I did get the sense that what they were singing about was a political thing they were really important about yeah the world you know and the the lyrics that you could kind of fully make out you know these people in see Nebraska advances the grandparents ball or whatever and that remember that standing out to me is like oh I thought that I kind of don't understand a lot of the other references I got that lyric exactly yeah so it's like it's it's moments like that it was like whoa you know music can be political um you know and I think um since then I've kind of always had a interest in I mean not necessarily the political process as it is right now which is kind of like what drives political and philosophical ideas um I might start some politics as an extension of philosophy yeah and how it actually like pragmatically can play out yes and that's why you know sort of like having a conversation with a guy like Miley innopolis is essential you know and that's why it's like I feel like the less you know unless you understand about Milo the more harmful you think he is at the end of the day he's not harmful for a handful of reasons because one while he may Lampoon and he may make fun of sjw's he has no concrete ideas or philosophies of his own you know his philosophies extend as far as like you know daddy Trump or whatever right um you know like once you actually kind of get into his ideas or what he thinks is important or what he thinks should actually be like instilled like it's a lot of [ __ ] that either is a total pipe dream as much a pipe dream is like you know turning America into a communist day or turning America into a white ethnos state or it's stuff that we've like already tried before and it's [ __ ] [ __ ] you know like you slope you know people need to go back to religion and Catholicism is great and does it it's like get the [ __ ] out of here oh god I love when when the whole like when the alt-right or the conservative side ends up with that conclusion is that like oh this is what happens when you put your faith in consumerism and this is why you should just stay in charge itself but I'm that is like never is there more of a moment where I'm looking at like the right side of things and I'm just like no no no no no like that let's just like go back to the 80s like you know the Milo this homosexual who's look fully like yeah Catholicism it's great and it's amazing you know yeah let's just take it back to the 80s and the date of the PMRC and you know we'll see what like real PC outrage it looks like you know because like it and I had a funny conversation with my wife about this because she was saying I love how I love how whether or not so America is going right-wing or left-wing we still end up at censorship exactly is a hilarious yeah the horse-shoe theory again that I don't say that when you go so far no matter what side of spectrum you're going on you end up having more in common that you actually do because right now I feel like a lot of the political dichotomy or where I sort of see a lot of the separation happening right now isn't so much of a left-right thing it's more of a libertarian versus authoritarian sort of thing because you can have left-wing authoritarianism versus right-wing authoritarianism honestly it's my philosophy that in my assumption in my theory that a lot of these alt-right kids are really [ __ ] liberal and the only reason that they're considering themselves to be all right is because they don't like sjw's they don't write like some kind of blue haired feminist telling them what to do or what to think social workers are driving people into the arms of Trump unbelievable right they think that that represents left-wing philosophy right you know they think that is what the left is that's what they're turning against that's what they think it is and not to say that you know it's feminists faults or you know to someone blame it squarely on them because you know partially this is the fault of them for just being ignorant morons that think that that's what left-wing politics are from beginning to end and that it's not it doesn't run deeper than that or let some how they're representatives of all left-wing politics and that's it but don't ads just that's just an extreme side of it but those people believe and in many ways I think that they're correct that like say to cut the campaign at Hillary Clinton at some point I've become kind of infected with like extreme liberalism to the point where she would to a very small degree right but only a small degree that shows through in her campaign because we all know politicians to be extremely restrained and to not go off the deep end beside some degree that she would placate them right you know because honestly like a lot of the you know super economically left-wing parts of her platform didn't get worked in until Bernie Sanders had conceded to her and in their agreement had said well can you put in the free college platform can you put in the living wage platform like all those things didn't end up in her platform until that happened you know like she was only sort of you know if you look back into the early announcement of her campaign there's that infamous video for talking to those black light as matter supporters saying to them like well you know honestly like you really just need to be advocating better to your you know to your represent your local representatives into the I basically I can't do anything for you you know where's like down the road she was like totally on that bandwagon you know so it's like she's just as opportunistic as any other politician you know she really cared about those issues the moment that she had those young black kids in front of her sort of telling her how important this was to them then she would have listened and she would have heard and she would have cared and she would have like you know acted interested in it from the get-go it was just like passing the buck on to you know somebody else are saying that because they're in the situation that they are the blame must lie on them right because they hadn't you know talked to the right politician or they hadn't you know voted the right way or they hadn't you know done the right activism or something you know where's like you know we're talking about like you know that there's nothing that you could lay onto the backs of black people that as far as responsibility goes that had anything to do with like you know Foligno Castillo getting killed in the way that he did know there's nothing that black people have done as a community that you know that that that warranted that or created that you know that kind of atmosphere you know that's just like a product of you know our broken system and the fact that um you know police officers can get away with doing things like that with little to nothing in the way of punishment you know it's it's the mere fact that there's no repercussions for that kind of thing that allows it to go on mmm you know it's like if you put anybody in that situation where they're basically above the law lo and behold you know you're going to see people abusing the law you know you're going to see people acting like they're above the law you know sure you're going to have you know some or maybe even most of the time people who will benevolently you know not abuse that power but there's going to be enough of them for it to be a trend and for it to be a really ugly trend too especially in the day and age where everything's caught on camera and everything's uploaded to the Internet you know which instantaneously you know that's just one guy dying but the thing is like when everybody sees it it seems like so much more of a big thing right and it should be a big thing it's a horrible thing you know but it's watching that video and watching that context of it it's almost like watching a hundred thousand people dying you know you know these are assumption that that happens all the time and not on camera yeah exactly you know so I'm at least two often many Ounces too often boats is too often absolutely because you can just imagine that scenario unfolding all the time yeah there's someone kill someone I mean this is it that this is so uniquely evil when you watch that video doesn't it just seem like it is just it's so hard to wrap your head around and to me that makes it even more I'm think about that the NRA had nothing to say about it absolutely nothing to say about it a fling baffling deafening silence because what is what is the x-factor there that makes them not talk about it aside from race you know you get it to the NRA very rarely wants to take a position that the anti police and I get that and I get that and I'm Pro having police I'm not some crazy Aaron because things we shouldn't have police when you watch that video it's so hard to imagine how the gun lobby could not it's cut and dry condemned it on at least a saving face level you know even if they really really don't want to offend the police there's an obligatory statement about that video that says this is not how the world should work and the people should be able to carry guns legally and that this they should not be murdered for it it's yeah so it's gonna be a right people should have and they should have the right to not get [ __ ] killed for sort of you know expressing their right yeah but do you ever feel like like something like that you know I'm horrified by but I don't necessarily think that I have a lot to add to the discourse about it on Twitter and I'm also not really like trying to turn my whole feed into like a feed of me sort of like mindlessly retweeting you know activist content I think if there's like you know honestly it's I think it's good to keep people aware of it but I think if there's anything to that people need to learn in response to these things it's that changing this sort of thing does not and will not and probably cannot I mean just from what I know about how our government works cannot change at the federal level like the president can't just come in and just be like okay cops can't kill people in cold blood and get away with it anymore like it needs to happen at the local level now it's like you know the bad news of that is that it's way less sexy you need to actually go online and research you're you know local police chief is and how exactly you know the police station is fundin who you know you could vote in to office to influence the policy of the police force that's the bad news you know it's a lot of work you know the good news is is that because it's a local election it's really [ __ ] easy you know we're talking about elections that if you get a hundred if you get 200 if you get 500 people in the door who weren't planning on voting before voting you know for somebody who might actually go in there and do some change you could sway that person in there because local elections barely anybody [ __ ] votes you know you're talking about even midterm elections like the voter rates just like drop off completely right like that might be uniquely changed this forthcoming midterm election because there is so much vitriol and hatred for Donald Trump that people really might want to jump in there and like try to create some change immediately to prevent him from doing anything else feels like people are almost like willing to do almost everything except actually you know getting involved in local government politics is not it's not sexy nothing violent like you know going on Twitter and being like I think this little is like you know kind of like the easiest sexiest most simply gratifying way to do it because you get 800 retweets and people telling you like hey cool you know that's really that's really great I agree with you but like you can't get those 36,000 being an alderman yeah exactly you can get those 36,000 people that retweeted that tweet to go and who [ __ ] voting booth exactly and you know there's going to be a serious drop-off but you know again the the good news side of that is really good news that you know very little people vote in local elections and it's really easy to influence them if you get organized but all you have to do is get organized and once you are you become an unstoppable force could you see yourself going forward at some point becoming more occupied with like activism or social organizing or even being involved in government is that the kind of thing you ever thought about I have thought about it a lot and you know it's just like at this point I guess it's something that um if I were to ever kind of get involved in I guess what's kind of keeping me from doing it right doing it right now is it would be a serious sacrifice to my family because not only would it put me and the public I'm more it would also mean like I'd be in a position where you know the YouTube channel is going incredibly well I don't want to put my family in a position financially especially in a day and age when a single unexpected healthcare you know sort of a issue can bankrupt you almost overnight at the end of the month you know depending on what it is I would rather my family be in a position where I can sort of afford that kind of thing right now because that sort of is scarier to me if there was more of a safety net there it would make more sense if you know and and that's sort of I think another kind of an ugly part of our system I feel like a lot of people are kind of less incentivized to get involved and sort of dabbling not even just politics but you know other enjoyable kind of uh you know activities because there's kind of that fear there no you know there is no support there you know something horrible could happen to you or you know some loved one could get cancer and you have no means of paying for it you know you know you have no means of keeping that person alive or whatever you know you have some kind of pre-existing condition and you know either you're getting kicked off your insurance or the premiums under Obamacare because there's no market controls under Obamacare because you know just like a [ __ ] legislation that you know originally it's just a health care mandate right you know that's you're just forcing everyone to buy health care hopefully the prices go down and sort of sit and stabilize because everybody is in the system as opposed to just some people having health care right which was originally an idea that Mitt Romney had originally idea that Bob Dole had it's a Republican health care plan that's essentially what it is you know and it just was marketed by a Democratic president right it's a [ __ ] plan so you tell me what are the changes that you think Donald Trump is potentially going to make to Obamacare well I mean obviously he's got it like you know Jim named he has to get rid of it right honestly at this point he doesn't know how the political system works he doesn't know what Obamacare is he doesn't know how any of it works he's made that painfully obvious you know and he's even said on multiple occasions he said that Scotland has great health care if socialized medicine right yeah he said that he went down to Australian I was hanging out with the Australian Prime Minister he said you guys have great health care you know we don't have good health care right now but you guys have great health care yeah guess why the [ __ ] they have great health care you know he doesn't know how the system works you know right now he's just doing the bidding of the Republicans he's just in your head at this point at this point I could not and what he's going to do to Obamacare is just whatever the Republicans want to do to Obamacare never expected him to be such a [ __ ] just to just suck up to the Republican party so much you know like the way he came into office it's like you thought he might have owned it a little bit that he was an iconoclast and instead he's decided to then but he was always an iconoclast without any kind of ideology exactly because over the course of the whole election he was pretty much on both sides of every issue right you know you had clips of him saying you know we should go up to terrorists and their families we should go up to terrorists families it's not enough to kill the terrorists we need to kill their mothers we need to kill their brothers you need to kill this and that and then also oh we need we need to get out of these foreign interventions we can't be in these foreign interventions it's a waste of money it creates more terrorists Obama created Isis you know through these foreign interventions so it's like and that's just one of dozens of issues that he's been on both sides of right and it's like if you were a person who didn't really have the mental faculties in order to like come up with their own platform your own way of that you would think which he was really conveyed to us over and over and over that he's on both sides of both issues because he doesn't really understand what either side entails if you're a person without with a completely freeform identity of what you thought was right and wrong that would be the easier way to go about it is to sort of just fit in with the party that you are a part of I literally think that he thought he was going to get in office and just be king because you know over the course of his you know election cycle you know he did say things consistently like you know we're going to renegotiate NAFTA we are going to make sure that these business owners bring their money back over here we're going to make sure that they bring their jobs back over here and the thing is once you get into the presidency you actually have to have a Republican administration willing to carry that out for you that is not in the interests of the Republican Party at all not only that but the Democrats are bought out by many of the very same interests of the Republicans are there barely any Democrats that want to renegotiate NAFTA I mean NAFTA went through under a Democratic president attic presidency you know so it's like you know these trade deals that you know basically benefit corporations and that's it you know it's like you're not going to go in there and sort of change that you know like you have to actually like create interest in changing that you know and Donald Trump isn't the type of person who I think actually like wants to care about you know actually like creating change I think he just wants to be liked and go with the flow yeah and it's bizarre because I well I mean if he wants to be liked wouldn't you think they would there was a certain point where I thought he was going to almost become president and sort of become sort of like more of a populist character and you know not try to ran yeah and as popular ism and I thought that he was going to at certain point like oh he wants to be liked so maybe he'll do things that would make him more liked and he seems like he's really kind of gone the other way ya know I think it sort of depends on who who he's trying to get to like him you know he's trying to like suck up to truck drivers he's trying to suck up to coal miners I mean those are the kinds of groups of people that you know you put them on a pedestal you take advantage of them is kind of like a photo op and that's the sort of thing that you know Republican voters will applaud me like yeah he's really caring about blue-collar people and blah blah blah blah blah well he's right in that it's probably better for him to do a somewhat somehow authentic job of appealing to those people rather than to in any way try to engage with the left at all because the left's never going to accept him no matter what side he ends up on for better for worse understandably well you know I think I think honestly if he started doing legitimately good things that were like really benefitting people eventually they would have to admit they're wrong you know but unfortunately at every turn he just keeps proving them right you know I think a good you know there's only so much that you can kind of [ __ ] yourself into believing that you know exes why right now before you just kind of realize that like hey you know it's like I feel like you know I feel like this past election really kind of put the Obama years into perspective and I just kind of feel like it was this presidency about nothing you know it's like for if your key legislation can be just like completely overridden just like completely erased like so instantaneously like what exactly else did we get over those eight years I mean we started under Obama in two foreign interventions we expanded that to seven we had the Arab Spring where you had Hillary Clinton basically like playing the Middle East like a chessboard you know NSA spying increase like however fold to fold three fold tenfold right but do you buy into the argument that basically because the mainstream media had so little to say about Obama's interventionist foreign policy and his you know all these other things and you the spying on our citizens and stuff like that and the fact that the mainstream media has so little say about and were so so not inclined to really pick apart his legislation and stuff do you sort of buying into that ideology whereas like right now the leftist media is having a field day ripping apart everything apart like like take a terrorist attack or like you know when we send like a strike overseas and with Trump it's like they're really really looking to find ways to paint that strike as Donald Trump [ __ ] up whereas Obama was involved in all kinds of heavy drone activities that I don't quite see that as much I mean when he struck Syria with those Tomahawk missiles they acted like it was the greatest [ __ ] thing he'd ever done right um you know there were so many commentators that were like that was when he became presidential when it's like yeah okay so he became presidential the moment he started just like hurling bombs of some country that didn't attack us like that's presidential that automatically gets you into the presidential Club that in the moment that after he did that raid in Yemen and that a marine died right you know he had a you know the wife they're grieving in front of Congress in front of everybody and crying and applauding and you know that was another moment I think a commentator on CNN Van Jones like he became presidential in that moment you know where essentially he turned you know some grieving widows you know loss of her husband into pro war porn for the rest of the country to eat up and be like oh you know this is just like so justify despite the fact that when you look at the actual logistics and casualties and the numbers of that raid you killed an eight-year-old girl you didn't get the guy that you went in there originally to get you got no Intel and most of the people that you killed weren't even terrorists right so it's like you got nothing out of it virtually nothing except the death of an American soldier that you basically just like put up on a pedestal to justify what but a lot of people on the left I think really wanted to like you know paint those the trumps early military interventions like they wanted to paint them as that was a big faux pas right for him where's like when you look at Obama it's like I didn't really see much criticism of the things that we're taking place like you know because anything that lebbeus kind of got lazy because they just wanted to leap at themselves on the back because we got in a Democrat finally after the Bush years the Bush years were finally over and lo and behold we had a black president too you know and like so it's some kind of show of like we're really progressing as a country despite the fact that not only did you know the Republicans do their best to obstruct almost everything he wanted to do but also you had a good wing of the corporate side of the Democratic Party which you know are really just like Republican light um standing in the way of real like economic progress and change too because you know over the course of you know Obama he didn't take advantage of all of the groundswell of support for re-regulating Wall Street mm-hmm you know and just basically let you know occupy wall street just like devolve and fail and just like crumble it to nothing because you know obviously the people can only sort of advocate for something for so long before you know the representatives just kind of like actually have to do something in order for it to kind of like actually you know snowball into anything right you know because if it is a representative democracy or seeing people demand something it's like you have to you know but the thing is what they're representing are their donors they're not representing the demands of the people that is representing their donors and that's it for the most part you know there are people who do stand out and you know there's kind of a new movement on the Left called justice Democrats where you do have kind of a lot of these people who you know the philosophy is there in terms of like hey let's get a living wage let's get um you know health care you know Medicare for all you know and let's end up with the Foreign Wars and like you know reinvest that money over here let's get better education you know that's all part of the platform generally but like you know but that's almost secondary to the idea that they take no donor money no PAC money and some of them are successfully already prime area and conservative Democrats you know that are you know in in Congress and that in the house in the Senate you know we're starting to like ramp up doing some of these campaigns you know and again like some of them I might disagree with philosophically because some of them do sort of hang on that more you know super aggressive side of the party but my thing is like I feel like once we do and if we can get all or either a bulk of the money out of politics then I feel like we can actually have a legitimately authentic conversation about like political philosophy because as of right now I feel like so much of the well is i poisoned by the fact that you know you're purposefully not getting the problem and you're purposefully not understanding the point or not embracing the solution because you're financially incentivize not to you know sort of get or understand the solution and I kind of understand you know from the perspective of these politicians you know why because you know is doing like a little research online about like how much these [ __ ] get paid you know like and honestly like some of them don't make that much you know and you're talking about these guys who they have to live in DC either away from their families who live back home so they have to like make enough money to pay for them to live you know some rent or some mortgage over there or you move all their asses out to DC which is also really [ __ ] expensive so it's like you know and probably move them into a private school because you're talking about your kids kind of being in the public eye and like politically connected because you know and honestly like all these people unless you like some kind of high-ranking like official or you know you're some kind of high-ranking senator or something you don't get security you know kind of like with that Steve Scalise thing you know like um he was the only person there during that baseball practice who had security and had he not been there there would have been no security so it's like all those you know politicians would have been totally just like sitting ducks to that dude if you just decide to unload on all of them right um so it's like you know you're really out in the open and there's not really much incentive for you not to take money from lobbyists you know it's actually super easy to be taking money to obvious and if you're a guy is making a tea here in a year and you start dangling fifty or hundred grand in front of their eyes at a time I mean zero percent shocking and how that yeah I'm not and not even that much you know it's just like just to just to offer them like you know 10 percent of their income you know it's actually like you know it's it's funny like what I make on YouTube you know and I'm not like trying to brag here or anything but like when I make on YouTube or at least you know what I can save up in a month sometimes is like what some [ __ ] pharma [ __ ] like contributed to some major politicians campaign I mean as does you know and it's just like wow you know if I give so-and-so like six thousand dollars can I decide politics too it's just like way too easy to like buy into the system for you know it's just like way too easy to take advantage of it for like [ __ ] six thousand dollars like that's it now you know of course they're like you know other ways that some of that dark money you know sort of comes in you know maybe that's just publicly what we're seeing you know exchange hands you know and honestly that's like probably not anything I would involve myself in because I don't think I could really kind of like sway politics to benefit my music reviews in any kind of way like it kind of draconian Lee force everyone to watch and by some kind of decree do Donald Trump or something do you ever think that because a lot of times I'll feel like you know I'm 33 I'm still talking about rap right now but maybe at some point I'm gonna be 45 and I'm still going to want to talk about stuff online but it's probably going to be more likely politics or anything more far-reaching that might seem you know sometimes I think like maybe a little pomp at 45 it's not going to seem as interesting to me as it does at 33 it's very shocking that he still is humps there will be many more little bumps but I'm almost hoping that there is a day in which I'm not really that interested in them anymore okay well maybe then maybe it'll happen then you know but I mean politics is interesting but I think like you know again it's like having a roux the politics is interesting but I think for most people having a real conversation about politics is not interesting right you know like like I said when I was on that dude stream it was a part of the skeptic community some black eye shadow to some black guy when I was talking about something as radical as like hey you know let's uh let's like make it so that when people work 40 hours a week they're not homeless you know we were like [ __ ] you liberal kook you [ __ ] Lib card yeah and you know it's just like something as simple as like thinking like hey you know maybe people shouldn't be kicked off their health insurance just because they have someone with breast cancer in their family or something like that you know where they have some diabetes without like a political statement no there's no you know it's like just to be like compassionate you know towards somebody else's like you know problems and you know that's to my earlier point when you were talking about you know sort of a Hillary Clinton Clinton kind of placating or you know like trending toward the side of like you know far left politics I mean you know honestly the response to me to this problem of like hair you know they're like a lot of ugly very extreme voices popping up on the left sure you know but the answer to that is not to abandon ship and jump to the right right like how's that the [ __ ] answer because I can be frustrating the people like us who are moving a little bit more sensible and have a little bit more of a classical liberal style of doing the world or I'm sure yeah you know but the thing is again it's not the answer is not just all of a sudden advocate for whatever the Republicans are advocating for because then you're essentially getting the Bush years all over again and we're this year's good no no this years were [ __ ] so if you if you want a repeat of the Bush years do that [ __ ] strategy you know if you want to actually fix the left you have to stay in there because you know not only are you not fixing the problem by jumping to the right you're actually giving the extreme left more power because you've left the area you've given them more sway you've said okay well it's all yours but his left is I'm just going to die off because it's going to become completely infected by like evergreen college um I don't know honestly because like while you do kind of have like these weird pockets of extremity um you know among some of these leftists you know take into account the fact that what's sort of unique about a lot of these college protests and why these protests continue to thrive and happen on these college campuses is because the colleges allow them to happen and the reason that they allow them to happen is because you're essentially talking about it's almost like a customer revolt because at the end of the day the colleges are going to placate these kids and they're going to give them whatever they want or at least you know try to make them happy because they don't want them to unenroll right because that's less money in their pockets like they'll listen to these kids protests all day about you know white people being kicked off of campus for a day right in the same way that McDonald's would allow you to protest because the there wasn't enough fries day you know because it's like we're going to let you protest in the McDonald's because you really want you know this product and you're the customer and we want to placate you because we want your money you know if you're under the impression that these colleges really actually care about what you think you're [ __ ] wrong they're listening to what you have to say because you're a dollar amount to them and if they give you what you want it's again it's not because you're right and it's not because you had a point it's because you're a dollar amount to them okay like I would love to see these people outside of a legit like police station like you know uh protesting like you know what because again but we just talked about with Foligno Castille that's still going on right now that has not changed right that's still that's still the norm that's still what's going on right now but it's like it's it's less appealing for people to make a big stink out of like real social injustice when you could kind of say well it's very hard and it's inconvenient yeah because honestly at the end of the paling the the and it's depressing the cops aren't going to come out of the police station to say well we've thought about it and view and you're right but you know you can't corner the police chief in the same way that you can corner the president of the college in his in his office because the moment that you do that a bunch of cop cars are going to roll up and they're going to gun you down and that's going to be the end of that and the way the news is going to portray they're going to be like a bunch of extremists did this and those apparently okay yeah you know like they're not going to they're going to frame it in in such a way the cops look good you know it's like you can't pin down a cop like that in the way that you can pin down the president of the university it doesn't work like that and that's why they do it because it's easy it's an easy it's an easy win that doesn't actually do anything I'm gonna piss real quick we just had three three hours and I just have to piss because I can't finish this and let that piss okay you want to replace him dude oh you're not allowed oh you're not allowed hey what up guys last night was on here I was a blackout drunk I oh did you say have a bunch of dumb questions there imma go okay honestly I probably gonna find the Jedi way from the computers what kind of [ __ ] like it was like relationship ending [ __ ] or just like this like him finger in his butthole or something he won't let me put my pinkie in his bubble so if he's figuring his own butthole I'm doing that really is that Adam and I was like advances like just curious I just feel like you would enjoyed it just he would like it and I'll ping key versus the penis Ashley why not so why not a pinky why not is a friendly pinky I don't feel that sang podcast alone okay I think one day it does you could see a hemorrhoid okay so it's like I'm Knightley like a hemorrhoid is like a visual life of course immediately yeah yeah yeah hemorrhoid is like a video I guess is a very clear visual thing you can't say that would be like that would be like me saying I have a giant lesion on my neck here you think this is not a lesion here so it's like for me to say that there's like a hemorrhoid there you don't see a hemorrhoid then it's like that's this is [ __ ] I my fingers okay I thought you guys are actually remarkable something's right okay well that's not interesting that's just her old standby those all she ever wants to talk about is my [ __ ] okay go the old [ __ ] the old chest metal chest and you let your wife dig around in there ever oh no no she's had no interest yeah I wish I could say one personal thing I'll say yeah okay you had your chance of talking I'm Mike now got it and she immediately starts talking about my love talking about finger roma butthole or something which I don't even remember that was that was like a suggestion that a lot of my friends are saying is like oh like you're gonna interview Milo and we all know you are real interested in him are you going to make out with him and then in the course of that interview before that even was able to like come up with like a joke or anything he just basically said that they're like tons of straight men who like want him to be their first gay kiss like when he goes to these conventions and stuff what so god I believe it yeah but there's I could totally totally imagine that even though I feel like his his whole way to sort of a fallen off oh it has because Trump is elected now and he had that whole you know pedophilia thing that did not look good that didn't help him out on like a mainstream level when they kind of take what the Breitbart thing I watched that podcast that he said that on the day that he said it drunken driving peasants pot I know it's funny to me that that came back to bite him because that podcast like a year old yeah he said almost the exact same thing on mine and that was the main thing that I liked really was like pressing him on like to get him to clarify those remarks and he basically ended up being like I think he said like wow I'm not talking about a 14 year old and a 30 year old yeah so then like but which to me right then I'm like okay so maybe you're talking about you know a 16 year old boy and and automatically he was sort of admitting that he was talk he wasn't talking about like real pedophilia when he sort of said that like you know man-boy love is like part of the gay experience of growing up you know which is like you know saying like oh maybe like a 16 year old kid and a 25 year old guy is like okay well that sounds a little less offensive than like when you're a certain point people thought that he was like co-signing like actual pedophilia which I don't think he ever I mean maybe that might not have been his intent but the way that he put it is like really put it in a very careless way because which is his way that's his thing that's what he does yeah it is and I think you know he was joking about it in a way and honestly like I think he he did sound very serious he did sound very serious and it did something he was definitely you know like not being a satirical as he claimed he was being you know afterward he was feeling himself at that point he definitely was yeah yeah I don't know that I necessarily agree with that being like the thing that took him out the game though I mean I think in terms of like offensive things he said I could pick up a lot more if it's a thing you said I could do you know and that's the thing is like to me when I when I saw that originally I didn't see that and think oh well he's done now you know I thought like well this is just kind of one more thing in a string of like crazy [ __ ] that he always says right you know like he's um you know you would think at this point he would be sunk merely by the fact that you know early on before he was kind of getting started with the whole gamergate thing like he was um you know talking about how uh you know it's shameful to be gay and you know I'm ashamed of being gay and you know the gay lifestyle is you know not good and you know it's caused me to be so uh you know promiscuous and you know risky and did it a you know gay people should do X Y or Z you know he was almost like you know trying to shame gay people out of being gay or something right um you know and you'd think that would have sunk him or that would have done something to hurt his career but uh you know for some reason it's it's been this one thing that you know sort of took him down and it and it was like it's it was almost like it was kind of like planned or something or little orchestrated in a way not like in a kind of conspiratorial kind of way but you know the way that kind of uh all of journalism sort of convened on this one thing oh I believe that 100% that that there was a sort of implicit collusion and one's like pig pile on this guy holy you know once people sort of saw that Achilles heel exposed it was like when I do it and pedophilia is like that one rare thing like it's hate [ __ ] with that if yeah it's kind of like you know you could totally like me and you could just start chanting the n-word right now and that would do nothing in comparison to a good solid pedo accusation do I have to like saying what Milo said like you know we would get over six like chanting the Edward leggers of the [ __ ] sports chain what a magical image right there you know that yeah that we would definitely get over that but you know seeing what Milo said during that stream and you being like yeah I totally agree and then taking that a little further that would have been that would be insane that was part of the number one thing that I really wanted to ask him about too because I had never heard a gay man like acknowledged that there was any level of like normalcy about like you know a much older man with a young boy but at the same time ours I've always known like the like you know Pride groups and gay groups have always been very hostile toward groups like NAMBLA and writer thing very hostile because they don't want that to represent the rainbow as it were and I was like 18 like me my friends thought NAMBLA was about the funniest thing ever yeah it's pretty preposterous snippin memo for the record is North American man-boy love Association an advocacy group at a certain point it occurred to me like like I actually went to the Nimmo website and tried to find like a good like nimble logo because I was like that that's a logo rip right there is if you could kind of take the nimble logo and make it like your brand name or something and I I did I didn't like find any sort of like cool like iconography or anything it was pretty bad yeah I don't think there's many like talented graphic designers in the pedophile community yeah yeah well I guess that's probably for the best at least we know that like that's not where the arts are being drawn towards yeah yeah exactly this is a good point I mean I was just listening to the Sam Harris podcast where he said he was really horrified by how well the the editorial was done in like the ISIS magazine at a certain point like that the the the spelling and the punctuation and we're like really pristine and and even the grassy design and and they would even acknowledged on the podcast that like you could tell in Isis magazine when there would be like a raid where like a bunch people are locked up with her and Jeb because then all of a sudden in the next month's issue the graphic design would go to [ __ ] or like there would be spelling mistakes all of a sudden I remember watching an episode of The Daily Show where they played a song Isis recorded really and honestly I'm not worried until they start coming out with some good Jax because that song [ __ ] sucked is not a good song like until they like come out with like some little pump style like some you know like Pro Sharia sloshed it okay I'm actually not going to be worried as far as like you know your ice is taking over through the arts or like through good through good like magazine formatting yeah I mean they're kind of like directly opposed to the arts really yeah exactly no so yeah I'm not I'm not really going to be worried until ice until I hear like a good like Isis little pump little pump banger and it's like playing in the cub like over here like you have people like the Sharia law anthem because when they do anti Sharia law protests they're acting as if that's actually what it's like like this is Sharia law is just being promoted and where you go which is like you know I know people who live in England who actually like to have like scary experiences would like not want to go to certain areas at night and stuff because there is like a scary migrant problem okay which is is always an interesting to me because in America it feels like it's mostly fictitious it does feel like it's fictitious I mean personally I don't know a lot about it I have seen like some journalistic reports and you know not like from Breitbart or anything like that you know talking about how you know you basically have these just like just like over here in America you know when you have youths who write are unemployed and you know I have anything else or I don't know the economy is just like garbage and you know they're basically they don't fit into the culture they don't fit into the the inner workings of the country economically they're going to be disenfranchised and they're going to lash out and they're going to act and you know other ways you know that don't benefit themselves totally you know I'm really interested in anyone who could make it through this whole podcast because there's all this music software like at least like the first hour hour and a half and then it sort of like becomes all political every podcast have done recently is just like turned political at some point and I'm just kind of used to it at this point well because I think for like people like me and you and tell me if I'm wrong is that music only allows for a certain amount of depth or a certain a certain amount of importance or weight so like politics sometimes to me seems like that's sort of what I'm drawn towards discussing just because it feels a little bit more grave whereas like discussing like production sort of feel sort of superfluous in comparison that's interesting as longer you're talking to an interesting producer or producer as a unique sound you know like exactly if I was probably having a conversation with Flying Lotus I don't think politics would talk of once right you know unless he brought it up well I don't necessarily want to talk about politics with like you know a producer but I feel like a lot of times you know having a rap conversation you sort of feel like you're having like a very similar conversation over and over and so unlike the politics thing it's kind of like while this is challenging it was like more to think about yeah in the middle of a lean is just like suit you vote for did you go for go over press president lean is there anything we should knock out before we wrap up this three hour and ten minute podcast that we just did thanks for listening yeah for real for real I'm really glad we do this especially considering we say leave it Liz should we say Oh smash alike and leave a comment reproach to the submit beginning actually like and say say a hundred dicks if you made it all the way through the podcast hashtag 100 dicks is what we do we always like thrown in like I just sort of you this hardcore bin and there was hashtag blue-ribbon so if you made it all the way through the podcast 100 dicks hashtag 100 dicks and tell us a story about the last time you sucked a dick or had your dick sucked so stinky in your booty hole you can't which we now know that I have to admit I was not terribly interested in even though I'm pretty sure that one of the plugs shoved her finger in his ass while he was in the bathroom what where while I was in the bathroom I want a professor she's all about the butthole yeah it was while you were in the bathroom I was I was on the dance floor when it happened right let's just like kind of Rehoboam she was trying to stick her finger in some extinct hole anyway anything you want to get out but out of the way I probably know you having a conversation with your viewers over comm slash needle job Twitter got twitter.com slash needle drop Instagram a fan tan Oh hmm Instagram don't have a [ __ ] no a not a snapchat down the [ __ ] snapchat Adam 2200 if you want to follow me on snapchat any go follow him that's true I'm 22 ho h OE he he'll he'll be a much better snapchatter than i will be any day yeah this guy ain't even putting his wife from media content what the hell I'm over here flaunting mine who wife let's go take it back anyway thank you very much say a Fantan oh this has been a great conversation a long time coming really enjoyed myself bro thanks for having me on my pleasure check us out no jumper coolest podcast in the world YouTube SoundCloud iTunes we out here we had held on to that P yeah [Music] [Applause] [Music]

Channel: No Jumper

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Keywords: podcast, interview, anthony fantano, the needle drop, the anthony fantano interview, adam22, no jumper, rope gang, music reviews

Id: Ycxzo-CTQpY

Length: 190min 56sec (11456 seconds)

Published: Wed Jun 28 2017