The Ancient Native American Connection to Modern Europe (part 15)

well hi everyone this is Ken Ham and we are here with dr. Nathaniel Jensen for episode 15 and episode 16 of rewriting human history well not rewriting biblical history rewriting the common sort of understanding of human history that people have and actually using genetics so observational science comparing y-chromosome changes and it gives fascinating insight into the relationships of different people groups around the world and we've been going through this looking at different cultures and how people are much more closely related than they realize they are and how a whole different culture can arise with distinguishing characteristics very very quickly much more quickly than people realize so episode 15 the ancient Native American connection to modern Europe so modern genetics reveals a shocking discovery today's Native Americans were not the first Americans okay that's going to be a little radical instead they left Central Asia and arrived in the Americas in the early ad era so what people group did they come from well who are their ancestors and what is their story could they be linked to Europeans well you're going to tune in to find out in this episode 15 with dr. Nathaniel Jensen from Answers in Genesis I'm Ken Ham CEO of Answers in Genesis Creation Museum in the Ark Encounter and it's great to have dr. Jensen doing this particular research now episode 16 that follows on from this the next episode will actually deal with the Australian Aboriginal people Pacific Islanders Papua New Guineans it's going to be very very interesting fascinating so dr. Jensen I won't you give us a real quick summary of we're up to date and again mention the y-chromosome research which comes through the mail which is what you've been using so observational science to actually show relationships and we'll go on with episode 15 yes thank you Ken and I want to remind our viewers what we're doing in in these episodes is not really a simplified explanation of these genetic tests that you pay $100 for and then get some sort of results your 20% German and 50% British these sorts of things as we discussed previously those those types of tests give you very limited windows into your past at best maybe four or five generations that's what they can tell you but beyond that it tells you very little you need to turn to other tools of science and we've seen in previous episodes the the best tool that we have given the ones that are available there's female inherited DNA male inherited DNA for technical reasons it's the male inherited DNA that's working the best and the research were showing in this series is information you can find nowhere else this is new groundbreaking work for two reasons one we haven't had this sort of genetic data prior and secondly we're looking at through a framework that is outside the mainstream we looked at the scientific reasons for doing that and the problems inherent in the mainstream view but really this represents a new chapter in in the creation/evolution debate a reversal of the table so to speak creationists are no longer just on the defensive trying to attack evolution this is this is new progress in science new discoveries about the world that the mainstream community has no ability to discover because they're working for the wrong timescale working from the wrong perspective and the larger question we're trying to address is who do we come from given all of our cultural and physical and linguistic differences how do we connect to one another sure creationists might say we all separated that Babel the major ethno-linguistic groups separated them but how step by step did we get here we kind of even as creationists dumped it off into the distant past and tend not to think about it and to this day we still naturally because we're sinners to look at people are different than us and say foreign or separate or we have inherent because we're sinners racist views of one another and this is some way this is one of the ways that were uncovering the connections among us and they're much more surprising that we think and it's not just modern people's looking at the ancients as well I I grew up with a default assumption that being of a path German descent and then my that's my mother's side on my dad's side being American for me generations but likely back to Europe these other cultures that are not Central Europe so Greeks are southern Europe of course or not European at all the African Egyptians the Iranian Persians none of these must be connected to me there elsewhere in the globe what we're finding out that these stereotypes that I grew up with the perhaps you grew up with our turning out to be wrong and I've promised there's there's some shocking conclusions we're gonna reach in this series those second and third points we've already begun to uncover we've seen that most Europeans of recent Asian ancestry we've seen that nationalities disappeared German French British these go away we are eventually going to see that so-called black white people exist dark-skinned I should say light-skinned people Caucasians walking around and by the African ancestors for thousands of years none of this we've ever expected without these tools of genetics we've seen that the America has been resettle at least once and eventually we're going to get to the most ancient history then the annuals and figure out how they fit into this equation and whether or not the mainstream narrative and explanation for their origins and migration fits the data and my overall goal is not just apologetic not just challenging someone's view if you don't agree with what the scriptures say but that we'd all marvel at who we came from our own stories in a way we've never done so before we've begun to marvel at the story of the Native Americans we've seen over previous episodes that today's Native Americans are not the first Americans they came over to the Americas in the ad era and perhaps mixed with or made more likely wiped out whoever was here first and this unprecedented discovery about the world raises a whole bunch of new questions that are begging for answers why do they leave Central Asia what is their story what pushed them across the Bering Strait what happened after they arrived in the Americas and who were the first Americans so in previous episodes we've looked at number two we've looked at Native American accounts for what happened after they arrived particularly the walleye mall in the Delaware Indians and there's surely more out there we didn't have time to talk about the Chickasaw origins narrative you can find it on their web site and my prediction is there's going to be a whole lot more history that's been recorded by Native Americans that's been neglected we've also looked at some of these discoveries synthesized with archeology and how that leads to a very fascinating potential explanation for the why the central Mayan civilization collapsed the classic era Mayan civilization what I'm gonna look at today though is the question of why did today's Native Americans leave Central Asia this is not something in mainstream science many people think about because they push off this particular event into the realm of prehistory fifteen thousand years ago well this anchors it firmly in recorded history and so what historical events might this be tied to today we're gonna discover some clues we never expected to find we're gonna see that this history in a way we wouldn't have predicted is somehow tied to modern Europe in Episode one we looked at the history of world population growth and saw that there must be more connections than we thought we've done the math of this in Episode two to reach the same conclusion we're gonna see a profound example of this point and in the next one though from episodes three and four that ethnic change can happen much more quickly than we think and four we looked at different rates of reproductive growth and how one group can overtake another we'll talk about more this more in our episode today we've seen episodes 5 and 6 and really this is the crux of what we're doing the basis for what we're doing and the scientific refutation of the mainstream view our family tree is much more shallow than we think we've also seen that as I mentioned earlier that it's the Y chromosome or mail and heritage DNA the the tree based on that that's the key to you in history we've looked in episode 7 at lost relatives of Europe seem that there's Mongol descent for many people as many more people than we thought in episode 8 we've seen Chinese connections to modern Europe in episode 9 we looked at the ancestry of European Americans what happened after Columbus arrived who settled the Americas so there's a hidden history that we explored in episode 10 the ancestors of most Americans are not who we think they are they're Central Asians emphasizing one of the points that I promised early on in this series in episode 11 we looked at a revolution in pre-columbian history even in mainstream archaeology the long-standing stereotypes we've had about who the Native Americans were whether they were primitive or not all of these are being overturned even as we speak in mainstream science there's limits too of course though and we've seen if we go beyond those limits and take the genetic data at face value it indicates a resettling of the Americas which let us discuss as I mentioned some of the the oral and written histories of Native Americans we looked at the synthesis of archeology and genetics in episode 14 13 was the oral histories and today we want to look at the ancient Native American connection to modern Europe and to think about why Native Americans would leave Central Asia let's deal with something more familiar let's think in today's terms why people might leave ancestral homelands and there's many often sad examples we can think of in today's world what comes to my mind is the refugee crisis ongoing refugee crisis in Syria there's millions of people who have been displaced including children why because of massive civil war that's going on basically civil unrest and how many examples can we think of from history of civil unrest forcing people out fleeing seeking refugee status in other countries that's one potential explanation for why people leave where they were originally from it doesn't have to be necessarily that extreme though thinking of the history of the United States people came over from Great Britain from Europe settled on the east coast so there were only on the east coast for a short time this isn't necessarily their ancestral homelands but people called it home for a while and the davinci started moving west why would they leave the east coast and pick up and try to start a new life for the West Economic Opportunity another major theme in migrations in human history but you think back to the earliest stages of the United States the coming of the pilgrims their motive their purpose and coming over was to flee religious persecution so the the seeking of religious freedom is yet another motivation another purpose in leaving and these don't need to be distinct they can all be overlapping and simultaneous when people leave wherever they're from so do any of these could any of these explanations have applied historically to this question of today's Native Americans are there any is there anything in history that might indicate and give us a clue as to why these people in the early ad era left their ancestral homelands in Asia and came across the Bering Strait so let's turn our attention now to this region of history and because so much of East Asian Siberia and Central Asian history is unfamiliar I want to give us some helpful handles by which to anchor our thinking our just moving the map a little bit further west the other side of Eurasia the combined continents of Europe and Asia which I'll do frequently just because there's a lot of shared history and overlap between these two continents and sometimes dividing them is a little bit arbitrary well in the era of 250 to 800 AD there's something very significant happening in Europe around the time of Christ ad 1 80 30 it was the Roman Empire that was ruling much of Europe and around the 400s 500s ad after the Western and Eastern Roman empires split up the Western Roman Empire fell due to invasions from so-called Germanic barbarians some of these appear to be indigenous Europeans we'll discuss them more when we talk about what happened to the Vikings in a future episode but some of them are Central Asian like the Hunts shown here by this green arrow so on the the other side of the map the western side of the map there was tremendous civil unrest invasions warfare happening in the Roman Empire so that's what's happening on the left side on the right side of the map that the Asian side of the map you might recall from episode 9 when we discussed Chinese history that we can summarize East Asian history at least Chinese history by a long series of Chinese dynasties that undergo periodic interruptions usually due to invaders from the north they're protected geographically in the west the southeast it's the north where they build the Great Wall to try to keep these people out well they can breach these defenses defenses occasionally and one of the major episodes which at least one history book called the age of division happens exactly during this time period the the end the the dynasty that precedes this the end of it is the Han Dynasty around 200 220 ad and there's a there's all sorts of unrest and in China and so forth there's barbarians who rule in northern China and they don't get thrown out until the late 500 early 600 AD by the Sui dynasty so it's the Han Dynasty that's ruling China around the time of Christ sort of contemporary with the Roman Empire at times they fall lots of division ensues you have northern barbarian tribes like the Shan by who John Bay who are ruling up here and don't get thrown out till late 500-600 so we discussed this when we talked about the ancient Chinese connection to modern Europe it's this particular branch this group on the tree that we call group n that shows this connection well that's very intriguing around the same time that the Native American today's Native Americans are leaving Asia you have tremendous upheaval and civil unrest in Asia and in fact because you have unrest all across the Asian continent from Europe from from the Atlantic to the Pacific this period of history has been given its own name and that the German name they came up with was the fork a bundle home or in English the great wandering of people's because there's so much activity in Central Asia so much movement east and west this is a this is a massive transition period so is it any surprise that we have not only movements within Asia but from Asia out into an entirely different continent so this is an intriguing handle that begs for further explanation further exploration the next steps here would be for someone who can read Chinese I cannot to take a deep dive into the historical literature The Smoking Gun that would give us an even greater clue into the story of the Native Americans we'll be finding some sort of historical record that says these people were living over here they were doing this and then they disappeared and we never heard from them again that's the type of thing I'm expecting to be able to find in the historical records in ancient Chinese literature or the literature of others around that time period perhaps we could also find the answer as we take a deeper dive into the oral and written histories of the Native Americans I'm I'm concluding right here without a great resolution because this is research in progress and this is begging for a multidisciplinary multi-person investigation I'm a geneticist by training some of our viewers might know people who are historians this is groundbreaking research that no one's ever considered no one's taken this approach to take a deep dive into this period of history to say what was going on and can we start putting the pieces together - to solve this puzzle of Native American history and move from the realm of prehistory into the historical era where we have written records and such that can tell us what happened so there's there's we're as close as we can get I think tit uncovering and unlocking and making that connection well that's one fuel of science we can turn to to try to expand the story of today's Native Americans I want to turn to another discipline of science that also holds some tantalizing clues and that's the discipline of linguistics this is not something I grew up necessarily being familiar with I grew up in church and so heard lots of missionaries and and then talk about the languages they spoke but the the discipline of comparing languages was unfamiliar to me in terms of my personal experience with it I've had to dig into it some due to the research that I've been doing in genetics and when you look at it there's there's some clues that have been sitting in front of us for quite some time that are easy to miss but suddenly give an aha moment if you look at them now I think it helps that I grew up being bilingual and a German speaker so some of these click for me fairly easily so for example if you compare basic words that pretty much every language needs and I'm gonna compare them in German in English you see some some similarities so everyone has a father a mother everyone's born they live you need to have these sorts of words in virtually every language so let's compare the English and the German notice that in in English we say father in German it's spelled with a V but it's pronounced the same letter is still that F sound Fatih mother mota you can see the similarities again again with the first letter pronunciation born Gabor him in German the emphasis is still on the B the second syllable life Laban you can see there's obvious parallels between this two these two the parallels aren't as strong between English and Spanish so father doesn't have a sound it has a piece on Spanish Padre mother still has the M retains M modeling born though you can see the differences are more striking now see though and life has it be the beginning doesn't have the L sound Spanish and Latin though seemed to be about as similar as English and German both have the P for father probably taught their madre MOT they're nasty either neither so you can see those parallels are between Spanish and Latin and if we didn't know any better looking at these similarities and differences we might be tempted to say perhaps there's a relationship among these languages perhaps English and German come from a common ancestral language perhaps Spanish and Latin come from a common ancestral language and if we think about it deeper and further maybe both of these groups share a common ancestor in the distant past that you're watching might say whoa whoa whoa whoa you're talking about language evolution well no but I'm talking about something that might be familiar especially those who have been watching they're familiar with the concept of kinds so let's think about this from a biblical perspective Genesis 10 and especially Genesis 11 talk about the origin of languages God says and in rights in Genesis 11 but the whole earth was one speech one language and because mankind rebelled and refused to obey the command to spread out as God told them to incident instead they built a tower to heaven God says and forces them to spread out by confusing their languages Genesis 10 gives us a list of about seventy or so men then says nearby these their families were divided the nations were divided and so I'm gonna go with the idea that Genesis 10 gives us the family groups of those who were divided at that time in history there's the entire planet shortly after the flood now today the number of languages is not 70 the number of languages is in excess of 7,000 so how in the world to make sense of that well if the language division that happened in Babel continued to produce more and more languages that's how you explain it so I would argue there's a biblical precedent for looking at this and the parallel that I see is to the concept of kind so for years now creationists have talked about the kind of God crates in Genesis chapter 1 it's not the same thing as species God doesn't create a whole bunch of species doesn't create millions of species in the beginning he creates kinds and from these kinds new species at form and fast forwarding to the time of the flood Noah takes to every kind he doesn't take to house cats and to lions and to Tigers they're all part of the same family even though they're separate species Noah takes two feelings on board the ark and after the flood the 30 plus species of cats large and small are formed there's limits to that but speciation happens in a similar way I argue that there's limits to the amount of language change that can happen but from these seventy initial kinds perhaps of languages to use that term families of languages many languages have formed since then so I would argue there's a biblical basis for exploring possible relationships among these particular languages and one of the most useful tools of classification perhaps ironically in linguistics there's the concept of language families and in biological classification if you've read our literature and listened to our talks you know that in in there in the realm of classifying animal species it's the level not a species or genus but a family that seems to be the best rule of thumb for approximating what these kinds are well lo and behold if you look at family something very intriguing emerges in the field of linguistics so the languages we just discussed are part of a larger indo-european family notice here in red English so British Isles and such are the same colors German languages Germanic languages German Icelandic Scandinavian ones you notice that Spanish Italian Latin French Portuguese Romanian are all in this tan color they're Romance languages the green ones are Slavic languages you've got indict languages Sanskrit and such over here all of these colors together represent not several but one language family the indo-european family there's several hundred languages in the indo-european family the colors represent subdivisions within it in Asia there are also several language families this represents a single language family and the colors represent branches within it this is the sino-tibetan language family Chinese is one subdivision you've got Tibetan languages Burmese languages and so forth there's multiple language family as this larger map of Asia indicates you've got Arabian languages the afro-asiatic ones Arabic and such we've got Austronesian ones which we'll discuss in the future episode here you've got the sino-tibetan ones broken up into subdivisions this is the basic unit that collects languages into a larger grouping and the reason I bring it up is because when you look at the number of families that exist today or to phrase it differently if you were looking at this question and you say okay there's 70 families 70 language units that are listed in Genesis 10 yet there's a hundred times that number of languages today what might be a good approximation for what those original units were will only be wholly crack open a linguistics book like one that the ethnologue which is it comes from the Summer Institute of linguistics which is affiliated with the Wickliffe Bible Translators and if you know anything about missions there's obviously a strong interest in and knowing the languages of the world so we can translate the Bible into those languages well here's linguists biblical linguists taking the lead it's viewed as a very scholarly resource they list lo and behold a hundred and sixty-three language families so from my perspective here we've got thousands of languages alive today coming biblically from just 70 units and the number of families is only twice the number of men so if you know nothing Alan you say whoa there's only twice the number of families as men this is a good place to start that seems to be pretty close to the number of men in Genesis ten and just a little bit of investigation further might bring that number down well I bring all this up because this is a potential tool done by which to understand the history of the Americas there is history that's recorded in linguistics for example Africa let's get ourselves oriented to this map Africa doesn't have that many colors shown here in this orange color I've got a freezie attic family at the nilo-saharan family right here which extends down from the sigh of Kenya in green you have much of West Africa and Central Africa part of the Niger Congo family you've got click languages here in this sort of that lime green there they're the click speakers of Southwest Africa you've got this lighter green color that's indo-european same language family as Europe and the Americas here the subdivisions are not shown just one broad light green color so everything from Germanic and romance and Slavic are all included and the Americas of course are dominantly this light green because English is the primary language in the in the u.s. Spanish and Portuguese in Latin America well I say there's history here because think about the distribution of these after Asiatic languages at which Arabic is one of them well if you know anything about the history of the conquests due to Islam there in the Arabian Peninsula and much of North Africa so that fits the history and of course the reason we have so many indo-european languages in the Americas is because European colonists came over here there's history that's recorded well notice here in the Americas it may be a little bit hard to see because these groupings are so tiny the Americas are pockmarked with all sorts of different colors that's because there are an enormous number of language families still up and down the Americas North America to South America not nearly as many as the number of colors you have let's say in Africa so let's think about this more there's a there's a hint of something here that I want us to notice let's begin though by looking at the number of languages in total by continent here's the Americas combined their languages here's the number of languages in Africa again I've combined Europe and Asia to the Eurasian languages just because there's a lot of overlap between the two and then the languages of Oceania Papua New Guinea Australia the Pacific and so forth what I want you to see here is that there's a fairly decent balance by continent or by groups of continents they're all fairly close to each other Eurasia has 2,400 languages Africa close to that about 2000 Oceania has half that but it's pretty close in terms of multiplication and the Americas have the lowest number of languages but they're all not very far apart and I bring that up because when you look at the number of families that's where you really see some skewing in Africa as we've seen there's hardly any language families there's a tear by the ethnologue count and I'm removing obscure things like sign languages and Creoles and so forth in Eurasia you have 37 Oceania 26 so here there's there's a similarity well in the Americas there's 83 and what really makes this stand out is if we think of the number of families relative to the number of languages I'm gonna draw boxes appropriate to that here's where the Americas stick out like a sore thumb they have a huge number of families per language in other words they've got few families excuse me they have few languages many families Africa is the opposite many many languages very few families and there's a little bit more balance in Eurasia and Oceania why does this stick out so much so if you know nothing else I'm not even talking let's say Genesis 10 Genesis love and just looking at pure numbers there's something about the Americas that seems to be off it's something different it's it's obviously an outlier as if there's perhaps too many families and here again an analogy to the biological world is helpful if you've ever studied biological classification you may have heard the term lumpers and splitters referring to the tendency among biologists to either group new potential species into pre-existing groups those are the lumpers oh here's a different kind of animal let's just put it in the same species versus the splitters who see something different in every tiny detail oh we have to call it a new species those are trends in the biological world you look here in the linguistic world and it seems like perhaps whoever's in charge of doing the linguistic classification in the Americas is a little bit too much of a splitter they want to keep dividing into separate language families it doesn't fit sort of the pattern and the rest of the world and what we see here is consistent with what we have observed visually in this global slide there's another thing I want us to notice though and that's just how small these groupings are so you look at Africa and the Niger Congo family stretches across much of the continent same with a frizzy attic well all these various families are confined to very localized small groupings and I want to emphasize at this point as well if we were to zoom in here and look at all these various language families number one there's a whole bunch of them and I've been arguing that from genetics today's Native Americans are the sentence basically of one crossing in the recent ad era that wiped out whoever was here before so from that perspective we might expect one or two language families if that just because of the genetic history we've seen yet here we see massive numbers of families secondly the second thing I want us to see it may be hard at this this level of resolution if you were to go up and down the Americas and look at the language families and then go over to Asia and say are there any links you won't find them you won't see a linkage between the Americas and Asia so again how does this make any sense and how does this fit the genetics well this is where the odd outlier the fact that there's so many families in the Americas begins to make you wonder whether or not the existing classifications that we see are indeed valid and I think another clue comes from the fact that these are so pock marked so let's try to think about the question of why there's so many families in the Americas and why they're grouped into such tiny subcategories well we saw in previous episodes that current archaeological research and historical research is indicating there were massive numbers of people here in the Americas on the eve of Columbus's arrival far more than we previously thought perhaps 50 million which is close to the population of Europe at that time this is North Central and South America combined yet within a few hundred years that that that population of indigenous peoples dropped to under 10 million massive population collapse episode 12 we saw the genetic smoking gun and this the flatlining in the population growth curves you up to see the episode for why that exists so why do I even bring that up well how many languages have been lost due to the extinction of perhaps 90% of the people who were here prior think about it this way again an analogy to the biological world today we group the cat species together they're all part of one family and we call them the same kind because the the breeding compatibility it's not the line and the house cat can breathe but a small cat can breathe a slightly larger cat and then you can connect them up to the largest cats and every productive continuum well what if there was a massive population die-off among cats let's say there was some feline virus that spreads around the globe and wipes out and decimates the cat populations that at the end of it the only species that survive are the lion and the house cat who cannot interbreed they're also very different they're different in size a different appearance would we look at those two survivors and even put them in the same family I'm gonna guess that we probably put them in separate families because if I'm different they look so could it be that people have divvied up all these languages in the Americas and the separate families because we've lost so many of the languages that used to exist that might make it easier to connect these languages to one another another reason I'm bringing this up is because there's a linguist named Joseph Greenberg who's done an analysis of the language families in the Americas Greenberg is known for and and as his classification of the language families in Africa has been accepted so he's combined so many languages into just a few language families in Africa and that's mainstream linguistic view he's done something similar in the Americas as well looking at the data he's argued that there shouldn't be 83 families in the Americas he's argued for just three and one of the reasons I find this interesting not only because obviously the Americas are an outlier if you look at the rest of the globe but if you take his numbers at face value and look at the larger picture that would drop the total number of language families from 163 down to 83 which is much closer to the number of language families that Genesis 10 implies now his view is currently rejected by the linguistics community well the linguistics community says is not that they think there should be a whole bunch of language families the linguistics mainstream linguistic community will say we are very comfortable with reducing the number of language families we also think there's a whole bunch of them and they'll probably eventually be reduced to just a handful maybe even one but we don't think he's made the case well enough yet so if we eventually go down that road and linguistics take a good look this again especially in light of the genetics that we've just done and if you look at mainstream linguistics literature they'll talk about well here's how we classify things are there any clues in genetics and includes in archaeology well now we've got this massive new discovery in genetics this should prompt a reanalysis of the linguistics field and I'm suspicious that we'll find some new clues and perhaps connections to Asia that might help narrow down who exactly these people came from and add to the history that we're discovering so we've looked at some clues that indicates the direction that we should go we haven't reached a firm conclusion yet but again this is where the research is at and it's begging for a linguist to come in and say AHA here's a connection everyone has overlooked because they've been all looking at this through the lens of 15,000 years ago and if you read the linguistics literature that's how it is now let's look at it through the lens at 4,500 years ago and of a resetting within the last two thousand years the early ad era what about genetics though third field of science we look at history we look at language are there any additional clues we could glean from genetics and I want to return to a study that we've talked about many times before this particular study that looked broadly across the world at multiple populations not that many men from each population but a good broad ethnic sampling that included Native Americans and particularly those from Northwest Argentina they're part of this what we called group Q and this was a representative study of many other studies so that's why I'm bringing up one of it one of the best datasets here are in grey but the today's Native Americans this is where they branch off in the early ad era from other groups and who are the other groups well here it's in pink Eskimos cats sell cups and pink is Siberian groups they sampled from far northeast asia and here in light green you have a central asian individual news who's back from uzbekistan so if we go back to our map this indicates that the most recent relatives of these people are found among these groups well which of these groups might it be we've run into a problem like this before when talking about the Central Asian connection among Europeans and one of the challenges that we've seen is that Central Asia Siberia represents or that land I should say represents the very poor agricultural potential historically these people have been nomadic they've famous for their horses the horse and and military skill of the Mongols of course is famous and led to their world conquest but that also means they're highly intermixed Genghis Khan deliberately split up the people's he conquered moved them into his army and divide it out peoples of one ethnic groups to break up their loyalties potential loyalties to it in ethnicity and force their loyalties to a leader namely him so there's some sort of connection here and the way we would dig into this connection further is by going back to Siberia Central Asia and getting more DNA sequences to figure it and to map out the history to see if we can narrow down who exactly this is but this is not where we have to stop this is not yet another place where it's okay this is this is really tantalizing really interesting and we're almost there there's another clue we can glean here that puts the Native American history in a dramatically new context so yes we've looked at this question of who are the Central Asian ancestors before-- specifically in the context of Europe trying to understand the branch we called r1b and episode 10 we saw that there were there's there's been a stream of Central Asian migrations into Europe and eventually came to dominate Western Europe and I've said there's a there's a Central Asian Siberian connection to Native America so that parallel between these two continents is not just a conceptual one there's a link here that runs much deeper and I want us to think again about Custer's last stand an episode in the US history that we mentioned in a previous episode he died June 25th 1876 along with many of his men when engaged with a group of Sioux and Cheyenne warriors and historically was grown up with this idea that here are two long separated long-standing cultures that clashed and one dominant and the other we've seen from mainstream archeology how many of our long-standing notions about who the Native Americans were have changed these these these suin and Cheyenne people's are the last remnants survivors of a massive population die-off and if a culture that collapsed that was highly advanced but who were they one Custer engaged these people who was it that was engaging in the battlefield that day well let's revisit this in light of the genetics that we've discussed in episode 10 we looked at people like Custer the European Americans who are the dominant people group in the Americas today at least if you look at genetic ancestry they were a whopping 42 million Europeans who came over and I'm looking at numbers up to nineteen seventy five predominantly from Western Europe eighty percent of the European immigrants to the United States came from Western Europe the minority from Eastern Europe genetically we've seen that 60 percent of Western Europe is in this branch we call our one B that ultimately comes from Central Asia breaks off from Central Asia around 900,000 ad I mentioned erroneously in a previous episode it's about 86 percent of us Caucasians I had a math error and I went back and recalculate it it's about 60 percent of us Caucasians which fits then the European history those two numbers matched the the US Caucasian genetic proportions match their historical proportions in Europe well I bring this up because that means George Armstrong Custer and his men each of them have a 60% chance of being in this branch we could say with fairly high confidence that probably 60% of them were in this branch just based on probabilities in the end of today's distribution of this well that's where r1b is found in this tree what about Sitting Bull and his men well up and down the Americas virtually all of them belong if they're not of European or obviously European or African descent belong to this branch that we've called a group q the one that came over crossed the Bering Strait in the early ad era well a group Hugh shows up right there and if you say well that's not very far away from group r1b you'd be right they're pretty close on the tree they're right next to each other let's zoom in there are one B and Q and again in this particular study remember they looked most that Eastern European so that the size of the r1 be branch is fairly small are one B and Q were right there they share a connection back there and because we have a DNA clock that allows us to reconstruct a family tree with a number of differences and and and and identities represent the the length of time which by which people have been separated if Ken and I are have very few differences between us we're close in the family tree if there's many differences we're far away you can use all that to assign dates these two groups share a common ancestor in 600 BC and there's again some uncertainty we have to we're not exactly sure when Noah is I can circle you on the tree he's right around here but if he's right there right there that's still matter we have to resolve but around 600 BC is where these two groups share a common ancestor you might say well so what I guess that's more recent than what the mainstream folks say is 15,000 years ago well hold on we're not done with this yet there are other European branches that we'll discuss in more detail in the future especially talk about what happened the Vikings Europeans Western Europeans in particular show up in this r1b branch they also show up on a branch down here this is the branch that we call I and in fact it's found both in East and Western Europe 60% of Western Europeans are found in this r1b branch 20% in the I branch so that means George Armstrong Custer's men probably 60% of them were in the r1b branch 20 percent of them were in this AI branch because they're quite heavily of Western European descent these two branches share a common ancestor to modern European branches share a common ancestor in 1700 BC a thousand years earlier so there's a good chance that when Armstrong got his army together some of his men should a very deep common ancestral connection 1700 BC and when they engaged the forces on the battlefield of Sitting Bull and his men some of them shared a common connection in 600 BC in other words some of these so-called white Caucasians who were battling the red man the different looking peoples some of those US Army soldiers had a closer genealogical connection at least in terms of genetics a closer Y chromosome tree connection to the people they were fighting than the people they were fighting with there were some of the members of Armstrong Custer's army who are more different from one another on this tree than they were from Sitting Bull yet they looked more similar to each other they're Caucasians they didn't look as similar to the Native Americans but this is what modern genetics reveals a shocking ancient connection between Native Americans and modern Europe there are some modern Europeans there some Americans me and Ken perhaps who have a closer relationship on this tree to the Navajo to the Sioux to the Cheyenne then we do to other Caucasians the United States it could be that Kennison group I that I am in group r1b or vice versa which means one of us is close to the Native Americans and we are to each other yet Ken and I look like Caucasians how is that will recall from previous episodes and here's my slide here recall from previous episodes that I'm thinking of episode three here ethnic change can happen much more quickly than we think in Episode four we saw that it's easy to take over another country you can have a minority group that comes into a majority group the minority group due to basic genetic principles will lose their ethnic features so to speak in their descendants yet they can buy their reproductive rates be the dominant ancestors of these people so there's this ancient genetic connection now the reason I bring this up is because it allows us to now fill in some of this story the narrative of these Native American peoples and so this is now what we can say in light of what we just discussed about the history of these Native American peoples and it begins early in the ancient BC era a group of Central Asian peoples arose they lived for a couple thousand years and at some point in the ad there was a group that broke away migrated across the Bering Strait and made their way into North America dominated and took over and again even though there's separate branches in the tree my impression is these Central Asian peoples are constantly intermixing and so these Native Americans the today's Native Americans broke away 200 800 AD within a hundred or a few hundred years perhaps nine hundred thousand AD a second group of Central Asians broke away moved into Europe and over time the next five hundred thousand years became the dominant ancestral group in Western Europe these Western Europeans weren't content to stay for a variety of reasons religious freedom in Opera economic opportunity and so forth they kept moving westward eventually arrived arriving in the Americas were these two Central Asian people groups will share a long-standing ancient connection met again for the first time but probably at least for the second so even though these two groups of people looked very different their ancestors were not far apart ethnic change can happen much faster than we think taking over a country is a lot easier than we think episode 4 our family trees are much more connected than we think episode 2 the world is much smaller than we think we're much more closely connected than we ever thought possible this gives us now more narrative more of a window into the story of today's Native Americans and the historical context in which they arose lived and persisted to this day this is the new history of the human race in our next episode we're going to try to get at this mysterious question of who the first Native Americans were and the story of their arrival and survival and perhaps extinction and disappearance from the world today those two genes are absolutely fascinating you know it's just thinking cuz I give a talk on one race we're all one race who will go back to Adam and Eve just different people groups because of the Tower of Babel and part my talk I include information from the research done by the human genome project and the Human Genome Project and that was released to the newspapers I know is headline news in the year 2000 well some of the research showed that what are called were called separate races so to speak that they're finding that from a DNA perspective that there's more differences within each group than there are between the groups and in other words the whole concept of race they said was abolished and that all make sense and I was thinking about how that all fits exactly with what you're saying here anyway are you looking at it from a different perspective and using the Y chromosome and and so on and some archaeology I know I was also thinking - you know I love the way you use that analogy of farm class order family genus species in regard to animals and then talking about family groups in regard to languages and so on know what's been happening is that secularists who are committed to an evolutionary view of history well they take that view and apply it in geology and get it wrong they apply it in biology and they get it wrong well I apply it in anthropology and get it wrong they apply it in linguistics and get it wrong and just to see that you could go back to well actually 70 language groups there Genesis 10 here we have the table of Nations and then you can look at it from a perspective and research done today that seems to indicate that that's the basic picture that we see is there any information from secularists who have looked at this and said but what happened before that how come language looks like it just starts with these basic groups my impression is there is no good mainstream explanation for the origin of languages obviously there's a massive gap between our communication and chimpanzees are supposedly closest evolutionary relatives and I keep going back to this really a kindergarten concept not to insult anyone but sometimes reality steers you right in the face the differences between us and our supposed cousins ape cousins is when you reflect on it quite striking I wanted to write a book at some point called chimps don't build jets because even though people talk about oh there's so many genetic similarities and we'll talk about some of these evolutionary arguments and future episodes and and why they don't hold water they want to emphasize how similar we are there's some basic behavioral in material differences that are obvious even to a kindergartner chimps obviously don't build jets they don't go exploring on Mount Everest they don't write symphonies they don't they don't speak like we do they don't they don't communicate like we do they can't write works of literature they can't compose musical scores so forth there's so many immaterial differences that well of course and and again the point is not that every single person can write a Beethoven symphony the point is the human race humanity as a species has done all this and not a single chimpanzee ever has nor will they because they're animals they're not people they're not made the image of God they're not endowed with these sorts of capabilities and language is one of these where they're grunts they're whatever emotions don't hold a candle to the types of things human can do and that's not look at us exalt ourselves which would be the mistake which should be repeating the mistake of the Tower of Babel that's exalt ourselves to heaven make a tower that reaches to the heaven we're the way that we are because God has endowed mankind with his image and given us special abilities and were to use these than to glorify him which of course is what we've not done and why we're all sinners in need of a savior and goddess mercy sends his son but language is one of these boom hits you in the face we do it no other species does it you can talk about the intelligent of the species fine but show me a species that communicates like we do you won't find it this is part of what makes us human and it goes back to creation and to the divine hand of God and communication is what we do with our maker and that's how it's intended to be we've lost that of course due to the fall in in the garden the sad story were they're going in talking to em and they lose that walking and talking with him in the garden because of sin and of course that's the long-standing story of the Bible the narrative at the Bible and what we look forward to in in the future for a believer is to be able to talk and walk with God again and he will dwell among us revelation says this is the hope of Christians and it has this firm anchor then and echo in linguistics and the linguistic differences between us and the whole rest of and all the animal kingdom well we've run out of time but just one quick questions cuz I'm sure somebody's gonna ask this they're gonna put in the comments here they're gonna say okay if there was one language to start with then you have this division of the Tower of Babel so Noah had to speak the original language and then that was obviously the language that his descendants spoke down to the Tower of Babel so do you have any hint at what the original language might have been that's a very good question and I've heard people talk about could Hebrew be the original language I'm very curious along these lines if you look at mainstream science they think of it evolutionarily so they're trying to reduce everything to an evolutionary common ancestor I'm not sure comparative linguistics will allow you to do that I'd be very curious to see what happens if you do that from a biblical perspective one of the biggest challenges though I think is languages are not like genetics you can change and and and there's processes in languages you don't see in genetics I can borrow stuff and linguistics well linguists will talk about how English is a mess it's hard to to draw the history of it because we've borrowed stuff here and brought it this stuff over here it's at this big conglomerate what you don't see an analogy for in genetics it's it's fairly linear genetic descent so it's a fantastic question to me it's still a mystery but one I think is worth exploring and doing so with a firm grounding in the biblical worldview because that will be the key to unlocking it well we look forward to the next episode tomorrow evening episode 16 mysteries of the ancient Pacific Aboriginal Australia and early America so if you haven't seen the others you can go to our YouTube channel Answers in Genesis youtube channel and a playlist there or if you subscribe to Answers TV which is our streaming platform that now has hundreds and hundreds in fact 1400 or so at the time of actually doing this particular program and more being added every day eventually we'll end up with thousands of items on there but answers TV is a streaming platform and you have all these put together in a season on there encourage people to go there and that way they're easy to find and lots of other material there as well and that's or just over if you pay for a year $39.99 per year so it's just over three dollars a month u.s. I mean that's very very inexpensive and we'll keep it inexpensively so dr. Jensen look forward to episode 16 thank you

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Published: Sat May 16 2020