Teacher murdered at drive-thru with son in backseat; 6-year-old strangled and left on mom’s lawn

a word of warning this podcast explores graphic and disturbing stories and includes some strong language it therefore may not be suitable for our young listeners or other folks who may find it disturbing hello and welcome to True Crime daily the podcast covering high profile and under the radar cases from across the country every week I'm your host Anna Garcia our cases this week a woman is accused of killing her boyfriend's six-year-old daughter maybe because of a feud with the girl's mother police say that the accused killer strangled the little girl put her in a 10 gallon bucket of chlorine put that bucket on a little red wagon and then pulled that wagon in the Bucket over to the mother's house and then dumped it on the lawn with the little girl dead inside the two women lived just two blocks from each other but first it was one of those everyday moments a mom and her son on the way to the boys via violin lesson stop at a Dunkin Donuts they're in the drive-through Lane when a man comes out of nowhere and shoots and kills the woman right in front of her 11 year old son the woman who is a mother and a school teacher was the target of a hit police say that it was orchestrated by a woman she never met but wanted her dead in the worst way why because that other woman was literally The Other Woman we are recording this on Thursday May 4th of 2023 Our Guest today is Danny Smith a former detective with the L.A County Sheriff's Department who is now a very successful author author of the dicky Floyd series and a memoir and you know I guess life is strange but I met Danny on a murder case and we became friends and I am grateful for that Danny how are you I'm well Anna thank you very much it's always good to see you you are a fan favorite people love to hear what you have to say because people are not just because of your experience Danny but because people are so inspired by your story that you became an author to deal with your post-traumatic um PTSD because of the horrors that you witnessed while being a police officer a deputy so you inspire us thank you I appreciate it and it's always good to be part of your show all right Daniel let's adhere these are um horrible cases sadly I I said to you before we got on I'm like I sometimes it's just too sad it's too sad and I can't our first case is out of Cheltenham Pennsylvania where a mother was murdered at a Dunkin Donuts drive through all is part of a murder-for-hire plot which police say they uncovered after she was murdered the 35 year old victim here is Rachel King she was an elementary school teacher she was murdered in her car in that drive-through Lane with her little boy an 11 year old in the back seat they were headed to the little boys violin lesson it was 7 30 in the morning you know I can imagine I can picture myself and just about everyone I know sitting in a drive-through trying to get that cup of coffee at 7 30 in the morning to get on with your date because it's going to be busy and we've got to get you know you've got to get your children to where they need to be the most innocent of moments shattered they have video surveillance that shows the car that was at the murder scene that was allegedly driven by the killer parked and monitoring her apartment complex which always makes me think about how aware we ever are I mean I don't know should you be aware that there's a car always parked in front of your building well what if that person just moved into your building why would you be suspicious of this car unless you see this car around you as you're moving through your day most people are not um acutely aware of little nuances like that um cops are because we're sort of trained that way and suspicious and you just kind of know what belongs and what doesn't yeah I I think because I've been a reporter for so many decades and then the cases I cover are so horrendous that I do have one thing I do I I don't always use the same route and back and forth to whatever my errands are and the other thing I do all the time is especially if I am headed home but I'm a few blocks out and all of a sudden a car appears and I'm like well why is this car going in my direction especially if I'm not in a particularly busy area so I'll always pull over I sit there I wait for the car to go by me and then I give it a few seconds or a minute and then I proceed and um it's something I have been doing for decades we call that counter surveillance tactics and I actually uh raised my daughters to know and to use those tactics and when they were learning to drive um they they those those ideas and and tactics were reinstilled in them and there was actually an evening where my daughter had to use that and she was being followed um it turned out it was it was a gag by one of her friends and she didn't recognize the vehicle but still it was it was good for me to know that my daughter was paying attention and was worried and concerned about someone following her home after a dance class so no it's it's it's good it's good to to know you know to pay attention to know your surroundings know who's behind you who's around you and to uh you know to be aware of those things yeah it's I by no means am I suggesting that that would have saved Rachel King's life in this case because again you know depending on how the the alleged killer was watching her to be in front of an apartment complex parked it's again very natural to think of someone who has moved in unless that car like ends up being in front of your school and then you're like well hey wait a minute does unless this person works at the school or takes their kid to this school you should not be anywhere in my world so police say that Rachel's death was all part of this murder-for-hire plot allegedly hatched by the woman who was having an affair with Rachel's boyfriend when he called it off and then patched things up with Rachel The Other Woman became enraged and hired a killer so it's the person who had the affair with Rachel's boyfriend who was the angry person here oftentimes it is the person in the primary relationship who finds out about the affair and then goes after the other woman so we that's what we generally see this one is a little bit on the flip side now charged in this case with Rachel's murder are 34 year old Julie Jean that would be the other woman according to police and 33 year old Zaki al-kah him now Zaki police say is the person who pulled the trigger in this case police and prosecutors say his plan was to kill Rachel it had been planned perhaps for months Rachel King taught English at Grover Cleveland Elementary School in Philadelphia for more than a decade so Rachel's longtime boyfriend William Hayes the one who supposedly had the affair here with the defendant Julie Gene police say that when William ended things with Julie sometime last year she was so unhappy about it that she apparently allegedly started um threatening and bothering the couple meaning Rachel and William not just William but she started going after Rachel and that according to the district attorney's office Julie started the harassing was both making threatening calls and sending text messages to the couple that William the boyfriend in this case had to get a protective order to keep Julie from contacting them we see this so often you know you get the protective order but that doesn't necessarily stop the person no the uh you know the the protective orders are not very effective it's it's sort of putting a person on legal notice but typically you know unfortunately when when when these things are when it gets to the point where a protective order is needed it's because someone is unhinged so a piece of paper isn't going to really change their um their demeanor and it's not going to deter them when their emotions are high it does work for some people you know for some right it doesn't some where they're like oh wow okay I better like double check this or I'm gonna lose everything I'm going to lose my business I'm gonna lose my standing uh you know you name it um it works it works in the way that that gun laws and and tax laws work it works for law-abiding citizens you know I mean that's that's the truth it's you know if you're a Law buying citizen then you get put on notice you say oh okay well I'm I'm gonna not go buy that person's home again or bother them or text them or anything else um but yeah there's you know there's an element of lawlessness that uh you know is is found in each of these types of cases and protective orders aren't going to change that a complete disregard for human life police say um that after this protective order was issued apparently it further enraged Julie Jean who then contacted Zaki and he is apparently related to the father of Julie Jean's children a cousin or something so this is the connection here the pair reportedly met and communicated several times in the weeks leading up to Rachel's murder police say that Zaki had a screenshot of Google Maps that he had saved and and this was on his phone which showed Rachel's apartment and the route that she used to drive home along with photos of Rachel King how damning do you think that is yeah I mean there's a lot of evidence certainly the the map and everything really goes toward the premeditation but yeah I mean there's just there's a ton of evidence in this case uh thank goodness um and I wanted to touch back on you had mentioned kind of the reverse role in in such a case where it's it isn't the person who was doing the cheating that was killed in this instance which is oftentimes the case but you know Miss King is truly the innocent victim all around in this she is she is the last person that that you know you would would expect to be murdered in this case and and you know that and just her whole background and everything else it just makes it that much more tragic she had absolutely nothing to do with anyone here and she never did anything to any of these people not suggesting that even saying or doing anything is a reason to be killed but she didn't and the district attorney uh made a huge point of that over and over again how she truly is an innocent victim who had no idea all of this was going on in the background except for the fact that she and her boyfriend William would have known that there was a woman out there this Julie Jean who was very upset like that part they knew because they had to get the restraining order yep but who then in their brain thinks that that's going to escalate to something else you know an angry woman yeah it's not a great thing to have um and these things can get out of control but to this level of of allegedly hiring a hip man unbelievable now according to prosecutors there is surveillance footage plus witness accounts that indicate on the day of the murder that Rachel's car was being followed by a silver Mercury Sable and that the shooter was seen getting in and out of that car at the Dunkin Donuts this will be very important because police say that Mercury Sable was the one that was parked outside Rachel's apartment complex for several days before the murder and they have surveillance video of that from security cameras and it gets more complicated so on the morning of April 11th of this year of 2023 ziki allegedly followed Rachel as she drove her son to violin practice it was 7 30 in the morning Rachel makes a pit stop at the Dunkin Donuts which is located at the Melrose Shopping Center in Cheltenham which is right outside Philadelphia while Rachel waited in this line as we all know how busy and long these lines can be the key reportedly parked that Mercury Sable nearby walked to Rachel's car and fired multiple shots through the driver's side Rachel was killed instantly the car because obviously she had her foot on the brake when she was dead the car rolled to a stop when it hit some kind of a barrier there in the parking lot meanwhile her son the 11 year old is in the back of this car witnessing all of this and I cannot imagine anything more horrific and more devastating and scarring not just the loss of his mother but to witness this from the back seat it's unimaginable honestly it and it makes you just really hurt for for the whole family and if it makes you question you know elements of our society that people are willing and able to do things like this and something I was thinking about Rachel King is a mom so her son is 11 years old and depending on his weight and height he probably would have been able to be sitting in the front seat by now right but I I do remember as a Mom myself those those moments and those months and could be years that I liter literally was arguing with my son he wanted to move to the front seat and I didn't want him to because I knew he was safer in the back seat and I couldn't handle the idea of him moving that he was getting bigger older to move into the passenger seat in the front because I was so worried that he would be that much more at risk like I always wanted him in the middle in the back and bubble wrapped and I think for Rachel King to have had her 11 year old in the back makes me think that that is how she felt about him yeah I mean it's it's pretty clear that that she was a wonderful and kind person she was loved she was a school teacher and she was loved by her students and and other faculty um I would say that that that's that's clear that she was a very caring mother you know taking her her son to violin practice detectives with the Cheltenham Township Police say they recovered six nine millimeter shell casings outside of Rachel's Ford Edge vehicle that Mercury Sable that we've been referring to had been on the radar of police for a little while because it is allegedly connected to a murder a few days earlier on April 7th the car was captured on surveillance for that murder and therefore police were already looking for this vehicle when this happened and then the description started coming in at the scene of the crime so then police bought this car the one they've been looking for for the previous murder and the driver turned out to be Zaki who when the police tried to stop him he allegedly took off there's a Pursuit he crashed the car and then police took him into custody that car would then end up being traced back to Julie Jean The Other Woman in this case police say that two weeks before Rachel's murder Julie Jean bought the car and it was in her name and she gave it allegedly to zakim he was actually with her when they when they when she purchased it they went together and she purchased it her name again evidence so much evidence here the Montgomery County D.A Kevin Steele held a news conference to explain not just the murder plot here but also all of this evidence that we've been laying out for you here's a clip from CBS News in Philadelphia the facts of this case and how these two defendants conspired and planned for nearly two months to kill Rachel King is truly disturbing it was a cold-blooded killing a targeted murder of an innocent person planned by these two defendants and horrifically carried out in front of King's son so here's what else happened when police go to question Julie Jean they claim that she had deleted 787 texts between her and Zaki investigators were able to restore those messages as we have seen over and over again on this podcast that if you try to delete this digital evidence whether it's phone calls messages emails um where you were in your GPS your your Google search history it is not that difficult to restore this evidence correct yeah that's that's I mean kind of a given but you know thankfully the uh the criminals continue to I think they're going to outsmart the system and they do it anyway you know they use their phones they take photographs uh in this case uh he had on his phone a photograph of a gun because they didn't recover the gun but they have a picture of uh what's referred to as a ghost gun that was on his phone in addition to the photographs of of Miss King and and also the um uh the uh Google Earth download that you were referring to with the with the lines on it showing her residence they also the D.A said that one of the photographs because uh The Other Woman had lots of pictures of Rachel that one of the photographs that the alleged killer took was Julie Jean holding her phone up and on her phone the screen showed a picture of Rachel King and that police say that the alleged killer then took a snapshot of that and that you could see the outline of her hand holding up the phone even though you they can even restore these photos and find them anyway but it's just like one more sloppy thing can you picture them sitting there in a car hatching this plot a very you know badly devised plot and he's like okay let me get a picture of it right yeah no and it's great evidence because you know that's that shows the conspiracy and um and I'm sure that they can identify the vehicle that they're sitting in you know from from just you know a couple of you know Minor Details inside the vehicle that could be unique uh at least to a certain degree you know or a degree of certainty that they could say hey this is the vehicle they were sitting in and um yeah no it's great evidence according to police the spent shell casings at the scene of Rachel King's murder as you said were a match for 11 nine millimeter shell casings discovered at that April 7th murder with the gun not recovered believed to be a ghost gun in their opinion and again that photo that he had in his phone which makes you think that could be the murder weapon so Julie um what's interesting here is that you know Zaki gets arrested first because his car police believe is linked to that first murder so he gets pulled he gets pulled in first because now he's wanted in in these two different homicides and then when they finally Trace everything back to Julie she gets arrested and she's charged with first degree murder third degree murder and conspiracy she was arraigned on April 25th Julie's being held without bail and her preliminary hearing is scheduled for May 5th so that's that's very soon and then ziki al-kahim has been charged with first degree murder third degree murder conspiracy and possessing an instrument of crime in connection with the April 7th murder the first murder but he has not been arraigned yet on the charges related to Rachel's shooting death so that is still to come I have a feeling that even though there appears to be a lot of evidence here Danny I have a feeling there's going to be a lot more that authorities are going to release in this case that they will uncover the investigators in this case have done a superb job um I haven't been able to find the motive for the for the murder that occurred four days prior but just to be clear those two cases are completely unrelated um perhaps the first murder is even random I I just can't find any information that explains you know why that murder happened and to what end because at the end of the day you have a mother school teacher she's dead a little boy without his mother who has witnessed something that he can never ever unsee and the loss is forever then you have you know the the woman who supposedly was scorned here the upset woman that she lost her boyfriend so how does this work out for you you're sitting in a jail cell you're charged with murder there's an awful lot of evidence against you if she gets convicted how did how did this solve your problem how did you get Batman back I don't think so and then you know there's the alleged you know killer who supposedly was hired as part of this plot how did this how did this make your life any better I just don't understand this yeah and you know interestingly it's being called a contract murder but so far I haven't seen anything as far as right what uh what actually transpired other than those five dollar transaction and in my opinion the transaction was a simple way of them trying to communicate without texting um or calling you know they they use this this cash app to Simply send a message and the five dollars was was just to be able to do that in my opinion now of course that's a transaction and that's good enough to say that that it was a murder For Hire perhaps even the vehicle was given to him I don't know but but so far there hasn't been uh that I can find any information where a certain amount was paid and I don't know that that that she was even that she would have the means to pay for the murder so I have to wonder you know this this guy is like you said the the brother or the cousin of of her children's father and you almost have to wonder did he do it actually for money or was he just convinced to do it was he given something else was you know I I mean it'd be interesting to find out you know what what he gained from it and and that'll be a big part of the case I'm sure and maybe it was just the car maybe that was enough for him yeah who knows the value of Life clearly these are people who do not know the value of a human life or if they do they believe it to be very little yeah Angie is your home for everything home and they've made it easier than ever to connect with skilled professionals to get your home projects done as well if you own a home you know how much work it can take whether it's everyday maintenance and repairs or making dream projects a reality it can be hard to just know where to start but now all you need to do is Angie that and find a skilled local Pro who will deliver the quality and expertise that you need Angie has over 20 years of Home Service experience and they've combined it with new tools to simplify the whole process just bring them your project online or with the Angie app answer a few questions and Angie can handle the rest from start to finish or help you compare quotes from multiple pros and then connect instantly which means you can cross things off your to-do list in just a few Taps because when it comes to getting the most most out of your home you can do this when you Angie that so download the free Angie mobile app today or visit angie.com that's angi.com our next case is out of Harahan Louisiana I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly everyone in Louisiana where a woman is charged with doing the unthinkable here she's charged with killing her boyfriend's six-year-old daughter then taking that little girl's body and stuffing it into one of those 10 gallon buckets that you see everywhere at every you know like Home Depot Lowe's right sticking it in a bucket with chlorine and then taking that bucket with that little body stuffed in there and dumping it on the lawn of the little girl's mother to what end like why anyone would do this to a child there's never going to be an answer there's never going to be an answer there because there is no reason you just don't do this to a child now the the two women in this case allegedly had bad blood between them and they had had all sorts of problems according to court records but if you're angry at someone your response to dealing with this is taking their child away and killing them killing the baby who does that who does that it's so despicable and I know Danny that the case we met on involved the murder of a little girl not in age not too different who ultimately the the courts found that it was the father who had killed the little girl and I know you were very close with the mother why I don't understand yeah you can't you can't explain things like this I mean you can't really even understand things like this or you know it's it's so difficult and um and of course having handled you know quite a few Child Murders it's the most horrific thing on Earth because you know there there are innocent they they're the the ones that we are supposed to protect and um and when they're murdered by the people who are are given uh you know the the opportunity in this case to protect and to to raise them it's just the most horrific thing on earth it's just terrible it's always about you know the most vulnerable whether it's the children it is people with um challenges and disabilities the elderly they are the most vulnerable and the most innocent and so when someone goes after them it just oh it's it's so heartbreaking so heartbreaking so the two women live two blocks from each other and I you know the the the original couple right the mother and father of the little girl they had two daughters and Bella is the one who was murdered here so the husband the husband or dad moves on with his life starts a relationship with this woman they live together it's a long-term relationship and the two families live two blocks from each other which I always think is unless you all are really The Brady Bunch I don't know how that works out for everybody a lot of lack of privacy there I'm just saying I'm just saying okay so we're dealing with a new level of depravity here the victim here is six-year-old Bella fontanelle now at the time of the murder Bella was staying with her father Michael fontanelle Michael was in this long-term relationship with his living girlfriend 43 year old Hannah Landon police say Hannah also went by the names of bunak lim and bunac Landon some multiple ways but most everyone referred to her as Hannah Michael daughter Michael's daughter Bella and Bella's sister were staying with Michael and Hannah okay so that would be the dad and the girlfriend that's where they were that night Bella was in kindergarten according to police Hannah beat Bella then strangled her on the night of April 25th of 2023 police say Hannah then put the child's body in a 10 gallon plastic bucket with chlorine she then put this big drum on one of those kids wagons you know the kind that you either pull children with sometimes you see people pulling dogs with them and then and then police say that Hannah took this drum with the little girl's body in it and the wagon and she pulled the wagon very calmly through the streets of this neighborhood because she was picked up by all the ring doorbells all the surveillance you see a car driving by it's it's you know dark you see a car driving by as you would in a Suburban neighborhood would anyone think anything of a woman pulling a wagon with a drum in it no really Anna that's interestingly and it goes back to what I said you know when we were talking about the previous case and being aware of your surroundings I was thinking about that video uh and my understanding it was in the wee hours of the morning that this woman and she's got almost knee-high white boots on she's pulling this wagon down the street and this car drives by and presumably the car pays zero attention to to what she's seeing and and I just that it's one of those things that amazes me it's like really at three in the morning you wouldn't find that odd and at least call the police and say hey this is kind of different strange suspicious but apparently that didn't happen when it's with the police with the police even I mean what would you say I see all sorts of weird things in the middle of there are I have neighbors who for reasons I cannot understand love to walk in the middle of the night love to go on their walks in the middle of the night we had a case on here on the podcast where a woman who loved to jog like at three and four in the morning that was her thing she loved to jog alone at three and four in the morning she ends up being killed near a park where she was running and you know it is your freedom to do these things but I mean what would you say to the police Danny if I called you if you you were answering the phone at the police department I said to you there's a lady with these white boots on you know and she's uh pulling a red wagon through the streets like what would you do with that well you'd send a car out because they live in this tiny little town that's very very quiet and and relatively free of crime so it's not like in LA where you know there's all kinds of Madness that goes on all night long this is this is a this is a type of a community from what I understand and and everything that I've been able to find out that it's just you know a really quiet nice little suburb so you know the police there aren't you probably aren't very busy especially you know late late in the middle of the night and I would say that if someone said there's a lady pulling a wagon it's got a big bucket and here that's the other thing I was going to talk about you know I'm trying to picture how a six-year-old is in a 10 gallon bucket am I understanding it was a bucket that would would hold chlorine but not necessarily that there was chlorine in it um but and and my first thought was well maybe the child was also malnourished but no that's not the case I've seen photographs and and she appeared to have been a very healthy young six-year-old girl so I'm trying to trying to figure out how you would even get her body stuffed into this 10 gallon bucket and but one thing that I read was that she actually even got the lid back on it so I don't know I mean it's just a bizarre case um tragic obviously very tragic but yeah I would say that you know if if you're in a um you know a sleepy community and the police say yeah one month white Go-Go's is going down the street with a you know Red Wagon in a bucket uh I I would send a cruiser over there and have them take a look why not okay but then Danny on the flip side about this Police Department is when the when Hannah after dumping allegedly dumping the girl's body on the mother's lawn then she drives herself to the police station herself right she drives herself to the police station she doesn't turn herself in for the crime she says she needs help so then the police call for an ambulance and she gets taken to the local hospital same Police Department I know that you wanted to call but this is the same Police Department right that when the next morning Hannah is missing and Bella is missing the little girl they don't connect but the lady who showed up in the middle of the night not making any sense they don't connect but this is who they are now looking for so not trying to beat up on the police here but you know there were several hours in which this little police department did not connect those dots yeah right so yeah and and I could see how that that could happen I mean number one you're you're probably dealing with two different shifts and uh and when she comes in and and says you know she needs some help and basically she's she's asking for a psychological evaluation you know and and the police can accommodate that and that's what they did so you know the next morning when it's when when the girl's body was discovered or actually when she was reported missing by the father you know it's going to take a few steps before anyone connects something like that it's just I mean it's just the way it is yeah look it wouldn't have changed anything as far as saving the little girl's life no it wouldn't have done that but it it would have maybe connected those dots a lot faster in in a case where you have the homicide of a child and a stepmother who's missing here so police say that Hannah dumped this bucket on the mother's house on the front lawn and the mother is Jennifer zeladon police say that the security footage obtained by The Daily Mail also they also got this footage shows that Hannah as we've said and we'll show that video is calmly pulling this wagon through the neighborhood now as we said hours later you know we're gonna get back into the uh we're gonna do this chronologically so the little girl Bella has been dumped at her mother's house but the mother doesn't know it yet doesn't know this hours later Hannah goes to the police department requesting transport to a medical facility as opposed to you know just calling 9-1-1 or going to the hospital herself I don't know what any of this means officers did note at the time she seemed out of it so they thought she really should go to the hospital and that's where she was taken to be evaluated now chronologically it is now morning it's about 7 30 a.m Michael the father wakes up and he's like where's Hannah his girlfriend who he lives with where's Bella his daughter the other daughter is home but where is Bella so he calls the police to say that the two are missing so now police descend on Michael's home to begin the search for Bella and Hannah about 15 minutes later the police department arrives makes sense this is where the LA where the girl was last seen alive we don't know what we're dealing with are we dealing with they just went out for a walk the child has been abducted have they both been abducted I don't think anyone really thought that the answer to that question was going to be oh no little girl was killed stuffed in a bucket and dumped at her mother's house I don't think that's the answer anyone expected that morning under any circumstances no oh it's so horrific so then police moved their investigation to Bella's mother's house Jennifer zeladon who lives two blocks away makes sense biological mother could the girl have gone there you know so this is now less than an hour since Bella has been reported missing this is less than an hour that's when the police are the ones who discover Bella's remains in the front yard in that bucket I will say the only saving grace here and it is Tiny is that at least the mother didn't make that gruesome Discovery and she was saved from having to see that herself like in our first case the little boy who can never unsee his mother being killed I don't know how a mother could ever unsee opening up a bucket and seeing their baby in there I I I don't know no that would that would be just absolutely horrific um but in and to your point you know with the missing person investigation yeah certainly the the biological mother would be one of the first people you contact UM you're gonna contact her you're going to contact friends and neighbors and and you're going to start searching closest to the home and closest to the person um you know in those relationships so it uh it does make sense that you know they were quickly over it at the biological mother's home and and thank goodness that they did make that Discovery like you said course police are looking for Hannah Landon because she's missing too and again they immediately did not connect her with that woman who came to the police department in the middle of the night asking for help So eventually everyone figures It Out by two o'clock in the afternoon several hours later that Hannah's in the hospital and she is that very same woman the police ruled that the two parents the biological parents had nothing to do with Bella's murder the medical examiner's rule Bella's death was indeed a homicide she was strangled and then hit in the head and we don't know a motive first of all there can never be a motive I mean when you're killing a child there's there's she's the truly innocent victim in all of this she has nothing to do with anybody she's just skipping along having a great life as a little six-year-old should so while we don't know of a motive there is a lot of hatred between the two women the biological mother and then the Hannah I don't even know if we call her the stepmother even though she lived with with the father in this case let me put it this way so Hannah the girlfriend here Hannah went to court to try and get a restraining order against the girls biological mother that would be Jennifer Jennifer and her sister so the girl's mother and sister these court records were obtained by both the Daily Mail and Fox 8 live and it shows clear tension between Hannah Landon and Bella's biological mother Jennifer zeladon in these court records from 2021 so now this has been going on for some time this isn't like a new thing Danny this has been going on for years Hannah tried to get a restraining order because she said she was fearful for her own safety now the court order was rejected the judge rejected the request and then Hannah dropped it didn't pursue it anymore but what was submitted to the court as alleged evidence in this case is what maybe gives us some insight into what was going on between these two women I'm not suggesting that they were equal participants in this I'm simply saying this is all we have in the court record right now and it is being described by Hannah and you you know you take that however you want so um apparently this is all according to have to Hannah Hannah and Jennifer allegedly got into an argument at one of Bella's swim meets and that Hannah said she was holding a Bella when the mother wanted to take the child and an incident started they were shouting there was shoving another incident that Jennifer called the police this would be the mother called the police after Hannah refused to allow Jennifer's sister to hug the little girl Bella okay so do you see what's going on here it feels like depending on whose point of view here there is a fight for this little girl what do you think Danny how do would you describe this well a few minutes ago you mentioned motive that that we don't know what the motive is and and I would say that the motive is clear it's hatred um the the child is an instrument the the the motive is the hatred between these two adults uh won the biological mother and the other who is apparently the new caregiver uh or at least you know in part I would imagine they have shared custody but um but you know one of the things you mentioned the the autopsy report and uh what I read is there is multiple um traumatic injury to the Head and the strangulation so it makes me wonder well um it seems like like the child was beaten before she was strangled and killed and if that's the case where did this occur and why would the biological father and the other sibling the sister how could they not have heard any commotion or or you know known anything was going on it's just that's that's kind of a part that's odd to me and and I'd like to know more about that you know how that works out we don't have that information we have no idea if she had been gagged or she was you know perhaps even unconscious to a degree and wasn't fighting back we don't know we have no idea where that took place I would think if she's being if she if Hannah is being captured by surveillance video going in the direction of the biological mother's house that I think she's coming from the house that she shares with the father and is on her way and and the murder I'm guessing here my guess is that murder took place in that house that's my and that's my point I would assume that your crime scene is going to be you know the the home that that Hannah and and the biological father and lived in and the two children were present at at the time so you know that's why it brings into question how something like that can occur you know In the Still of the Night and um and it's undetected by everyone else it's just kind of an odd thing so many things that are odd about this and and as you read the court record uh about trying to get that restraining order and how this is the alleged evidence that Hannah presented I mean these two women were yelling at each other they were hitting each other shoving hair pulling kicking clong again that is her description but these also seem to have taken place in public areas like at a swim meet it's just unbelievable and and there's going to be a mental health issue that comes into play because you know what rational person would would do such a thing you know especially the the whole bucket and red wagon part of the the case I mean that's just like that's going to bring in a lot of uh varying arguments and experts that are they're going to question her mental health and the capacity to commit the crime yeah well I don't want to go down that rabbit hole because there are so many accused Killers who always use that as their defense sure it's always the defense and there's such a similarity between this case and our first case in which the person who is murdered in both of these cases completely innocent and had no skin in the game they were not a part of any Feud they were they had nothing to do with it zero in the first case you have this mother and school teacher who had nothing to do with this affair yet The Other Woman say police wanted this woman dead and in this case according to police this woman wanted this baby dad to harm the other woman she the mother they're having an argument and and somehow in both these cases the the one who was killed the one who was killed has nothing to do with the feud nothing right yeah no it's it's and you know I guess you could say hates the motive in both of those cases you know in in the in the first case it's hate and jealousy you know clearly she was just absolutely you know beside herself that the man that she was cheating with or the man that was cheating with her I guess you'd say would would want to stay with his girlfriend and uh you know I mean it's it's jealousy and hate and um I don't know you hear you hear the the phrase hate crime and I've always laughed at that because you don't find very many crimes that that hate isn't a part of of the uh you know the motive so oh this is horrible well on April 27th of 2023 Hannah Landon was booked into the Jefferson Parish Correctional Center on charges of first degree murder and obstruction of justice so in Louisiana first degree murder is applicable regardless of premeditation for victims younger than 12. what does that mean Danny that's a great law when I read that I had never heard that but I think that's fabulous and basically what it is it's a it's an additional step to protect our innocent the most vulnerable Among Us you know it's it's saying hey we don't we're not going to have to prove premeditation or anything else if you murder someone under 12 years of age you're getting hit with you're getting slammed with first degree murder and I love it I think it's great because you know as I said I've investigated a lot of child deaths and um there's just nothing nothing more horrendous and and the adults need to be held accountable you know is to the greatest degree possible Hannah's being held without bond her next court date is scheduled for May 9th her attorneys have filed a motion requesting that Hannah have access to a psychiatrists she could of course face the death penalty if convicted it is time now for our comment section these are the crime cases you all are talking about on social media and our producer will Updike is here now hey Will hey how's it going Anna good good to see you Danny I will all right so this week we have a another kind of bizarre robbery uh this one comes out of Philadelphia where Roberts got away with and the amount has changed but reportedly two hundred thousand dollars worth of Dimes after stealing from a truck that had been left in a parking lot uh so this all came together on April 13th where Philadelphia police responded to a Walmart for a report that an unmarked trailer was broken into overnight so police said the trailer contained somewhere around 750 000 worth of Dimes right this amount has been disputed a little bit uh but it was broken into and and they were unsure how to tell at the time exactly how much had been stolen um so they said you know when the police got there there were dimes scattered from the parking lot all the way to a neighboring road I'll show a picture uh which they shared on Twitter from the surveillance footage for for our audio listeners it's um I mean it's about what you would expect there's a there's a trailer there there's like what looks like I I mean I don't know how it's like a big plastic garbage bucket and it's just dimes just scattered across this parking lot um so according to reports police initially they they weren't sure they thought it was around a hundred thousand dollars worth of Dimes they followed up about a few days after this case initially broke to say that they believed the robbers took in the neighborhood of two hundred thousand dollars worth of Dimes so about two million dimes there if you're if you're keeping track at home uh and reportedly what happened here was the truck driver left the vehicle in the parking lot because he wanted to sleep before driving the money from Philadelphia to Florida pretty long trip there um he so he had picked up these coins from the Philadelphia mint uh the day previous so this was like I meant yes yeah this was coming like from the mint um to Florida there uh so apparently uh in the area there uh CBS according to CBS Philadelphia there's been a lot of cargo thefts and it's in Northeast Philly and South Philadelphia um and you know people are just kind of breaking in they're taking everything from TVs refrigerators uh even chickens I read in one report uh so they they still don't have the suspects in this case but I will continue to uh update people if we get anything additional but just a pretty strange house I I it's unclear how they got away um I I couldn't find anything online if the security uh footage had caught in any license plates or Vehicles because I I would think there's no way that you're transporting this stuff on foot I I don't know off top of my head um how much two million dimes weighs but I I can't imagine that it's very light I thought this one was interesting because you know if we had a dime basically for every kind of like stupid crime that we saw we still wouldn't have as many dimes as these guys oh you've been dying to say that well haven't you you've been waiting do you know who uses dimes though I mean in this world where we barely use dimes for anything no what you can't even do laundry with them what do you use them for I have that answer for you Mahjong players need dimes we need nickels we need nickels dimes and quarters when you play mahjong on the card if you win a hand it has a value it's not considered gambling I'm just gonna make that clear and the the loopiest of loopholes that's right and so I am going to put forth that this could have been a heist because it's headed to where Florida and what do they do in Florida a lot of Mahjong players the rest of my case I love it I love it people had a bunch to say about this one Jason W said that's a lot of trips to Coinstar I gotta wonder how they're how they're turning this money back out so they've stolen this money uh and then yeah I guess you go you gotta roll it up into into rolls and and take it take it to various coin stars to get cash or an Amazon gift card or or whatever you end up doing there zavitha said when your pockets are a million times larger than your brain um I I do a little bit have to hand it to these criminals because so far we haven't seen a whole lot about about them being apprehended uh and I'm sure eventually that's going to catch up with them I don't know how you unload that many dimes but uh I mean thinking small uh I I think was the the key to this one here psychedelic 95 said has some thoughts on how they're going to spend the money they said dealer is going to be getting a lot of Dimes um I you know I don't know if if they as readily take dimes as Mahjong places do but it's certainly you know it certainly is an option Haley M said these thieves just don't have any which we love uh I mean they have a lot of 10 cents I guess brown sugar said I guess this really beats I will give you a penny for your thoughts uh I would probably take the two million dimes over a penny for your thoughts most days but uh I wouldn't steal a truck to get it so uh that is gonna do it for today's comment section uh thank you so much everybody who left those over on our YouTube Community page you can also reach us on Facebook Instagram Twitter uh Tick Tock we're we're basically everywhere now uh but that'll do it for this week's comment section thank you so much and I'll see you all next week bye will well Danny always a pleasure having you on the program and always fun talking with Will uh we really do read your comments uh last week on our YouTube page for our latest podcast I this this one caught my eye so I want to share it with everyone because I love to hear how you all either listen or watch and what you're doing and where you are when you join the crime family so this is a shout out to capitalized letters on YouTube and they wrote I love to listen to this while I do laundry every Friday it makes me look forward to doing laundry every week I just thought that was so funny because I love to do laundry too it's one of I actually like laundry it's one of the few things I like I hate taking the garbage out but I can do laundry all the time so thank you capitalized letters on YouTube so Danny where can we find you on social media and how's your book doing good all my books are doing well and um you can find me I've got a website murdermemo.com or Dickie Floyd novels.com and of course I'm on Facebook and Twitter and Instagram and everywhere else so uh pretty easy to find and um yeah that's I look forward to uh to hearing from some of the comments it's always fun when I read the comments on here that uh you know they they tend to throw me out there a few times too hey you know what um we don't always all agree but as long as we are fairly respectful of each other in our disagreements that's totally cool that's what I love about this community is that most people feel very free as they should to express themselves as long as you are not mean to anybody else that's you know fine we can all disagree just want to let everyone know that while many of your books are under the dicky Floyd title the nothing left to prove is actually your Memoir correct that's correct yeah that's the uh the only non-fiction I've written nothing left to prove it's the law enforcement Memoir and the other I've got eight novels published in addition to that so busy I love that your second career is as an author I love it just amazing just amazing so you can find me at energy news on all social media Anna with one n um Danny always a pleasure uh this episode and all our episodes are available wherever you get your podcast you can subscribe to our YouTube channel and be very active there and vocal we love that sign up to receive our newsletter at truecrimedaily.com I'm your host until next week this is true crime daily the podcast and as we always say don't do crime

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